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And I think it's fair enough that they're coming into some criticism. But let's not go all the way and say that they're directly responsible. Right, there was no malice there, Cam. It was unintentional consequences, I guess. But we don't know what happened within that hospital. This nurse who killed herself, and I've got to say right here, we're looking at a stark difference between what happens in New Zealand and what happens in the UK. If this happened in New Zealand, we wouldn't be having this discussion because we wouldn't be allowed to talk about it. Foreigners Act would prevent that happening. We've had a recent case where some journalist and a newspaper in New Zealand have spoken to someone who subsequently appears to have committed suicide. We're not allowed to talk about it. It's silent. So in this case, what we've got is someone who's involved in five seconds in a prank. And yes, all pranks are childish, and David knows all about pranks like that. I mean, he pulled one on Michael Laws and got prosecuted for it. And so we know all about those sorts of things. That's what pranks are all about. I mean, even Paul Holmes got fired from a job once for pulling a prank on somebody. Since telephones and radio have been invented, we've had pranks. So what we are looking at is a whole bunch of people out there in social media who have found out about something because you're allowed to talk about it in the UK, overreacting, completely outraged. And we've got someone who's clearly been suffering from mental health issues who's gone and killed herself. The radio hosts are not responsible for that. Yes, they were a mitigating factor in that. But honestly, this woman was involved in five seconds in a prank. Well, I don't think it was the five seconds, David. I think it was obviously the after. And she was probably tipped her across the line, I don't know. But it was the aftermath of this that she may have felt humiliated after this. I think it would be the humiliation that she let the call through wasn't suspicious. And you can listen to the accident and think, wow, wow, didn't she cut? On the other hand, do you want to be the person who hangs up on the Queen of England and says, Naph off, I don't believe you? And that's the unfortunate part, that some pranks can be very funny. But this one wasn't particularly. They should have just thought about it was going to humiliate them. All right, we'll come back in just a moment to Cam Slater, David Farah, with many new talks at B, it's 14 to 6. Back on the huddle with Cam Slater and David Farah, Cam, issue number two is the CTV building report, it's not good. It is a disgrace, and I believe that people should be prosecuted. How do you see it? Yes, people should be prosecuted. But where do you start? Do you start with the architect? Do you start with the builders, the designers? What about the culpability of the council? And now, in terms of the age of the building, most of those council officers who would have been supervising that would be long gone. But the bottom line is I reckon just old buildings need to go and we need to stop listening to the winters out there that claim heritage and anything else like that and just start bowling them. I don't understand, David, how the council could sign off on a building when they had concerns over it? Yeah, it's like a bull. I mean, if there were no concerns, you can understand they might say, well, it's been certified in the past. But there's so many people to share the fault of what happened. And the tragedy is that this one building probably doubled the death toll there. Mostly, the buildings all stayed up. There was actually people on the streets being hit by falling parts of them. But it was actually quite rare to have the structural collapse they had. So it's an awful tragedy. And I almost tend to find myself agreeing with what the union said over Pipe River that maybe we do need to be looking at corporate manslaughter because the end of the day 115 people died needlessly. Engineering construction, council-related errors. Can I go through everyone, pick them off, see who was responsible and prosecute them? Well, if you can find them. There is the case of the fake architect or the neural project manager or something. I don't think he comes into this. You haven't come into this one? The thing is that there's a long list. I'm not sure I agree with David on corporate manslaughter. Basically what you'll end up doing is having no one willing to be company directors. It'll just kill the whole corporate environment in New Zealand. It's ridiculous. David, finally. Telecom have lowered their charges for data roaming. Good news? Hello, Lula. Great news. Absolutely great. I turn off my roaming when I go overseas. I buy a local SIM card because you can get whacked. I know Cannes had this issue, too, for thousands of dollars within a day or two. And not 10 bucks a day. I'll quite happily pay that. What's really good too is, look, Telecom used to be a utility company. It was all about how to protect their monopoly. And they're now a retailer because they've lost course. And they're doing exactly the sort of aggressive competitive moves we want to see. The good news is, I think, they don't have to respond. And I actually think this may see the entire roaming market, not just New Zealand-Australia, change over the next couple of years. From per megabyte to per day. What do you think, Cam? I think it's a good start, but it just shows how much they've been rotting us all the telcos over the years with roaming. They'll still be making money on this, except on David Farrow. His constant four-square updates about all the eateries he's at will send them broke. Yeah, it is a good start. But again, it just shows that they have to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into responding to their customers. OK. Thank you, Cam. Cam Slater and David Farrow on the Huddle. Murray Dica is next.