 All right, let's open up a prayer Lord. Thank you for my favorite meeting every month Training class. It's wonderful Amen All right, let's go over a couple things real quick. I Mentioned last night about people coming here asking for money and Don't give them any money. It's not because we don't like them. It's just that if somebody gets money Then the next thing they do is what? They want more money and People that are That asked for money are usually street smart and They may not have any academics or You know don't even have a GED that's got nothing to do with your street smarts and They read people very easily So and they have to to survive so if they Come to here and they think people are giving them money, then they're going to start scanning Other potential units of revenue That's how a mega church sees you you're a unit of revenue So they don't want you to go to another church because they lose a unit of revenue Well, homeless people are the same thing You're a unit of revenue and they're very intelligent in Reading people analyzing them getting a feel for their emotions very good at it And so if you give them money Then they'll go to another person for money and they'll go to another person and Then that person will not come back here. This one might come back. This one won't and So it causes people to feel uncomfortable okay, I Give a buck or two to the guy on the street corner, but I give him a little picture of Jesus, you know that one picture of Christ holding that guy That one I give him that little picture with it And I never give him just give him money because where that's when he's going to go is usually Not into a college fund Going to go usually into a bottle of hooch or something like that So I give him the card with it. So they'll maybe keep that in their pocket I'm just trying to plan a little seed it may amount to nothing, but at least that's your shot, you know but Other people don't like People going up to the door or looking in or they feel uncomfortable It's just the way people are they don't like it and so anyway We can't do that here anymore Well, not only him but anybody else it comes in because we get a lot of people coming here the mentally ill and Some of them are homeless and so on so I thought I would just formalize it It's just not good to do it. It's not that we don't want to help them. It's just a ripple effect is negative Negative and people are not going to want to come back here if they think they're going to get hit You know, some people will stay in this lane if they see a guy on the island there They won't go into that lane because they feel uncomfortable Their soul picks it up Or their guilt kicks in The demons will talk to him and say Look at you. You're driving a car. You want you to give him something and then they feel kind of guilt So they'll stay in this lane When they go through instead of that lane see and Don't raise your hands if that's how you handle it, but I'm just telling you that's the way people are people are very soul-sensitive And they don't like to feel uncomfortable That's why deliverance ministries generally speaking don't go anywhere Okay, so here in Phoenix we got deliverance coming out of our yin-yang's I don't know if there's another city in the country like Phoenix We had Isaiah 61 here. We had Bob Larson here. We had Dave Middleton here. We're here Who do I miss? There's a hundred satellite outfits roaming around the Maricopa County sun believable Most states don't even have a deliverance ministry one And we got them all over the joint But for some reason Arizona they don't really like them It's weird You know Isaiah 61 doesn't hold meetings anymore Bob Larson closed his church down. He just travels now Dave Middle Yeah, so he's traveling and and doing his thing like she said But he used to have a church up in north north Phoenix remember that he closed that down and Dave Middleton's doing good, but he's kind of Stagnant this is my church and it's been like that for years. We struggle constantly with people Coming and going so deliverance is a tough business to be in it's not for The faint of heart and it's not for people that need affirmations So if you need somebody to You're a good boy That's this is in the ministry for you Doing the janitorial work at the church good Driving the bus landscaping Sunday school teach a Sunday school class That's all good stuff. Go do that Because then people will say thank you for coming in a year a good person This Who and if that bothers you you you don't get in this business You got to be self-sustaining that's so to speak or you'll just crash and burn This is a thankless business Generally speaking not all the time but it's a thankless business and the reasons are obvious you know the devil is fine with 99% of all ministries this ministry he takes a personal affront to because We're eating off his dinner table and He don't like that. So He fights it all the time It's hard to survive There's a lot of weird deliverance is out there now. It's a very dangerous field to be in There's a deliverance revival going on in the country There's like a dozen guys out there and gals getting huge likes and clicks on YouTube huge and It's like Bob Larson on steroids It's the manifestations gone wild See This meeting here is not going to get any clicks why it's not entertaining enough We're going over some basic truths here And it's for people that want to change and want to make some personal improvements and that's not going to get what you know Bob learned it years ago that if you can sensationalize it You can make money off of it. You can sell books And he did a good job of it. You got major manifestors Roaring and people are what's odd. That's interesting. Hmm But eventually they go click and they delete it say systematic desensitization Once you get used to being entertained by deliverance it then loses its value Because human nature is such that That's not exciting anymore. I need something new Yeah, and if you do that in your personal life with your relationships, it's a total disaster You end up dying alone and broke With multiple divorces You can only give away half your stuff every five years before you're going to die broke period You cannot constantly Need to be entertained. That's not what life's about Most of life is not entertaining Most of life is work say so We don't do the sensationalism on deliverance and I don't try to get manifestors to go nuts for Internet I Knew that was wrong from the beginning and Tell you a short story We used to have a guy come to the meetings every Time at the house of healing years ago and I was counseling the guy. He was a Schizophrenic And he was a kind of a short squatty guy and bald and I talked to his family. I talked to a psychiatrist We were working with him He would come to the services he would sit in the back and To my left he'd sit back there near the bathroom and as soon as the altar call started There they would go the demons would go and He would be screaming and Doing all kinds of weird things. Well back then I didn't have that experience or knowledge to to handle that So I just I thought I was supposed to let the Lord handle everything so I would just let him go and I didn't know at the time he had already gone through the Bob Larson's Sinjom system. He'd been over there numerous times doing the same thing and I was trying to get the guy to take control of his thoughts and Repent of listening to demons. I was trying to go at it through that venue They were trying to cast demons out of me and Of course, he was a major manifesto going nuts And I'm sitting at home Watching the news and they're having a Segment on deliverance though. That's for me and It's this guy my client is on the TV with Bob Larson at his house and At that time Bob was trying to get his daughters into deliverance and he was trying to get them a reality show So they went over to I wish I could remember his name. I've got his paperwork You remember his name? Well, anyway, they did the same deliverance on TV It was on the news And then he wore himself out and then they gave him a hug They were so glad he was delivered and that was the a segment on the evening news channel free. I think did it Why called Senate channel three? I said, hey, that's my client. I'm counselor over here at the house of healing You just had my client on television. What are you doing? He said well, we were running the thing on deliverance. No, listen, that's not deliverance They they do that to him all the time that whole thing was staged They knew he would manifest All they had to do is say or do and won't be trigger see that was that was a manipulation thing that guy says to me Well, it's on the air now. So thanks for calling click No interest in anything. I had to say blew me off faster than you've ever seen anybody. I was gone Click hung the phone. It was just something for TV That's all it was and so I learned years ago that this is not just this is not for TV it's not to put people out there like their psychos and Get a newsreel or clicks or something to market a reality. I don't we don't do that here That's that's immoral from my view So deliverance is getting weird and it's it's getting really bad They're casting demons out of people in parks and in parking lots and in malls and it's all sensationalism and people are very interested in the spiritualism and That's the flavor of the tribulation Everything is going to be spiritualized in a few years when that thing this thing starts the false prophets going to rise to power And he's the most dangerous person in ever lived he Props up the antichrist and he gets everybody to follow the antichrist with supernatural powers He's a a cult on super steroids Injectibles this is the guy that's coming He's probably alive right now somewhere in the world. I wouldn't be surprised if you're alive right now I really wouldn't I think we're that close, but everything The Messiah yeah, he's here so This spiritual stuff is going to go like that From here on in right into the tribulation boom And it's going to be the sickest crap you've ever seen in your life period You know That's where we're headed So what I'm trying to do And it's a debate of my job is debatable whether I'm doing a good word or not That's for you to judge. I'm trying to get it get a rational system of deliverance based on the basics of scripture which is repentance and Confessing your sins and so on as opposed to sensationalizing it to try to get Revenue and acceptance and people who like me and so on I abandoned that years ago for For this and so this ain't easy so you Coming into it if you're going to be doing this, you know, it's not easy and If your reward is anything other than helping the person you're going to be in big trouble down the road That's got to be your your thanks Even if they don't thank you That's how it really works not like YouTube Okay So that's going to explode soon This guy called me we got a new resource here I'll just leave it in the back here. This is a rehab program You know them Pete? Anyway, he wants to partner with us. I'm trying to get a They have men's groups over there and they have Bible studies and so on so I'm trying to get us a Gig over there to go over and pray for the guys So if you know somebody needs a referral there's no cost to it housing Right here So it's it's worth a look You know, I just talked to him on the phone seemed like a great guy I have not met him in person though So I can't totally vouch for anything but if you check it out Will you give me a report on it and give me your impressions of it? That would be good. All right now Dave Middleton, I went over this what two months ago Wasn't a month ago last month last month how'd that go? Yeah, how's it going? Yeah Not referring people there, but we still go there because I need the word of God so I get the word there I said it helps me. I don't send people there. I understand Careful with the going in the heavies. I don't practice that myself Every everything he just said I said a month ago everything he just said I would Like him does a great job Bible studies beautiful. He want to go there great. I Agree with everything Pete says Just to clarify you basically say while we're here These people people in your staff while we're here these people. Yeah, don't refer them over there. No got it. Yeah That's all it was if you want to go there great He's a great Bible teacher. Love is radio shows I'm a midday Middleton fan Yeah, I've been supporting for years Half the people who go to his church came from Right here Okay, I don't send them over the Episcopal Church. I sent them over to Middletons for years Okay, so that that sets a red flag. Hmm. Let me think about that for a second Why would he be sending all those people over there? He must like the guy. Well, oh gee. I'm having an IQ burst there Duh, okay. Duh Okay, I supported him for years. I helped him build his church and nobody asked me I did it voluntarily I Like the guy and that's all I said if you don't believe me go back and look at the tape and Look at exactly what I said So if you got mad at me, you got a problem Because I never criticized the guy You got a problem So you need to fix it if somebody wants to go to Dave Middleton go to that church. Hey, no problem any problems Okay, got that straightened out Okay, let's get to this real quick Has everybody seen this I hope so the entirety going over So let's let's Take a quiz Your free will relates to what The mind is correct Where does your spirituality attached to it is correct Emotions go where so all is right What do we have the for the winters Monty winners Monty door number three Your morality goes to Right your physicality is related to yeah beautiful, so you know then that You can pick up demons or become infected with them in the womb We know that correct Yes, and you can be infected with them during childhood Right when you get born again You can also become infected with spirits depending upon your sinful behavior After you're a Christian after you start going through deliverance, which is after you've become a Christian You can Expect counter attacks and you can become infected with spirits after you start your deliverance Correct that happens all the time it stops after you die and then you you can't The devil is kaput after it's over You go to heaven and You're in glory the forever we hit it. Okay, so we know that this person here this guy's a blockhead, but When you are living in sin You are collecting spirits because you're lying cheating committing adultery Whatever you're doing You broke all the Ten Commandments, and you broke the 600 in the law of Moses, and you broke the thousand in the New Testament You're a lawbreaker Correct that's the definition of a sinner you're a lawbreaker the laws of God and So you're picking up spirits while you're Breaking God's laws, so they can come in on God any kind of sinner off. There's there's no way to itemize it. There's so many Right, so the human body is a is a demonic collector And so they get into the person in layers Right here see so We know that sometimes after you become born again Sometimes some spirits leave certain people sometimes they don't depends on the case, okay, and There's no formal deliverance involved the anointing When the Holy Spirit entered your spirit man, and you became a child of God This thing popped out or something, you know I've talked to people that said When I got born again, I Totally lost my desire to smoke I've heard that several times so that smoking spirit must have just somehow got booted out by the Holy Ghost as an act of mercy and Other things can happen You know I don't have all the answers, and I don't exactly know how everything works In order to attain that status what I do is I ask my wife so what it is is you've got these layers of spirits in there and You know everybody basically has them to a greater or lesser degree so This stack here for Adolf Hitler would be clear up past the roof your grandmother may be here Everybody's different fingerprints depending on what you've been in right and then we know that spirits are They're all different kinds of them. So depending on what kind of sin you're in You can pick up those kinds of demons, right? So sexual perversion demon would be different from this a Ouija board demon things like that, right? At some point here, hopefully that's what we do around here We're trying to get this born-again Christian to start going through deliverance So they can be healed Now the problem is when they start going through deliverance Usually the weaker demons come out first Here so and that's usually a cough or a yawn or something right and Then hopefully this person continues their journey with you encouraging them and They're whittling this load down Whittle whittle whittle and your goal is to get down here To the controllers the the monsters These spirits tend to use these as buffers or They try to trick you You know Sometimes you get a batch out and then what happens is The person starts feeling better They go I feel better Yeah So the demons then tell the person we're gone Because These demons that left Took with them these symptoms Demons have symptoms right so This anger spirit came out and the symptoms of blowing your stack Disappeared okay, so then the spirits that are left in there tell the person You're done You're healed. You're doing great You did a good job And then they start complimenting you Which is what the person wants to hear Because they want to serve God and They care and they want a ministry of some kind they want an anointing of what have you whatever their goals are Which are good goals and we want them to have those goals The demons then jump in the controllers then tell them hey Tell them that they're well on their way to their ministry that are looking great And they're feeling good So they reverse field on you here they're tormenting you and torturing you You know depression fear anxiety loneliness. What did it whatever they're hitting you with? Addictions all that stuff Now they flip it on you and They start helping you they start telling you hey You did a good job with your deliverance dang look at that all these symptoms are gone You're an expert on deliverance You want to have a reality show And So they try to convince you That you can now help others because You're good to go This is going to happen all the time to you in virtually every case The next thing they're going to do is tell you you need it As a deliverance expert You need to get into the ministry you need to start helping others Yeah so the person then Starts doing some kind of ministry and then these Start attacking again. So the person Who thought they were clear? Then does what human nature is telling them to they try to compensate for it by doing more ministry and Staying busy for Jesus I'm a busy beaver For Jesus The demons then back off Which is what they wanted them to do They wanted to increase their ministry activity the idea being You see these people at the 12th floor make a bigger splat Than the ones on the second floor who jump or get pushed off. Are you following me? So since you're so busy with ministry you are You are thinking hey, these are all gone here until they push you off the ledge and Then the person Crashes and then they all launch an attack Deliverance doesn't work. God doesn't love you. And then the last state of the man is worse than the first What I'm trying to point out here is the psychiatry of demons how they think they're manipulators They what when they push you up in the ledge, you know, they all come back and then they add bring more Matthew 12 Then the last state of the man is worse than the first see So what we're trying to teach these people is Listen, there are spirits within you. You don't even know they're there because you spent Sometimes decades living in sin And you didn't even know you had demons for decades Now you've been going through deliverance and you're feeling better Okay, your symptoms have improved But you've got to remember that Did they come out? the big dogs Because they'll try to go dormant on you and then they'll try to get you to expand your ministry. Oh, I got I'm pastoring one church. I got to open up another one Then I'm going to get another one then we get another church and then These demonic symptoms start coming back, but the busier the person is The less they have to think about it or focus on it You see that it's all being Done to get you to keep climbing for God So that when they shove you off the top You make a bigger splat Then you would have if you just stayed down here Like the guy that cried is Remember that pastor that cried when he said he's I've seen didn't know that wasn't me No, you just described about 200 pastors now. Here's the situation What happens is what happens is this okay? These mega church pastors all these People that don't understand any of this. They just don't get it Okay, and it's easy not to get Because if you have natural giftings or you have spiritual gifts from God and you have skills and abilities and talents From from God or from yourself As long as you're focusing on that Then they stay Hidden they stay dormant and they don't have to get kicked out See that So what happens is with all these mega churches and all these people falling having affairs stealing money all these embarrassing scandals That's this thing both The demons helped them Develop a worldwide whatever see the bigger it gets The better it is for the demons because the fall is greater and more embarrassing The way God wanted them to do it was just keep going here Until these are gone Okay, then the doors open Supernaturally without any demonic help See these demons open ministry doors I'm being blessed it's a setup Well, well if Well, yeah, if they if they're not doing this getting you they've already let their to guard down. They're already they think they're Healed and they're not Yeah, so The they have symptoms of demons, but they're so busy ministering That they're buried You're buried. You don't notice it. You don't have to face it. You don't think about it The person knows this is happening, but they don't understand it and they won't do anything about it, okay? This person here who's doing all these ministries Knows that there's stuff wrong with them They know it. Hey, I said this I did that. Oh god. Where did that come from? Why did I? React that way. Oh, yeah, I got madder in a hornet there. What there's symptoms of spirits but Now that they're ministering they can't do anything about it because it's too embarrassing Well, yeah, because the demons want them to keep going up the god ladder Becoming famous as a Christian. So the crash is more embarrassing I haven't seen the information that you provide in regards to how to slowly continue working on the miracle That's we're getting rid of them. So do they know what steps to take? No, because deliverance is like I said, it's It's crapped out So you go to the park on YouTube you blast these out, right boom. That's amazing and that's good I'm glad they're getting delivered. That's positive. Okay? It's not positive if you don't tell them the rest of the story Okay, you need to continue with your repentance. You need to sanctify your life You need to get your mind renewed. You need to get follow the word. You need to finish getting these out okay, and If the person doesn't want to do it or they feel uncomfortable or it's going to damage their current ministries They're too busy expanding their next one. All they're doing is riding off Like Thelma and Louise There that's a great ride until the thing goes down. This happens all the time Well, the Bible tells you what steps to take you you know, you have to confess your sin You know you have to repent of your sin Right you started going through deliverance here So you know that what the symptoms of demons are lust anger bitterness Unforgiveness, whatever it is whatever your your soul is into You your negative emotions are pointing a Klee glight To I'm in still infected See but Because the demons got you to get busy for Jesus You either don't notice it or you're not going to do anything about it because you're too busy serving the Lord Yes, I'm trying out which is what I'm trying to fix right now Just the theoretical question do you think swagger never went through with deliverance after this no never They don't do deliverance over there, but No, it's not all lives. He's he repent like what because his son found them out You fell yeah, but he repented he sees back to booming again, but no he never went through deliverance But yeah No, he's in his 80s now. Okay. He's winding up. He's gonna be dead soon He has everything going again, and he's booming Yeah, he repented he wouldn't give up God forgave him and he went on with his church doing a good job What should have happened to swagger was before he got in the ministry when he was in his early 20s He should have gone through deliverance back then See he had lust demons him and Jerry Lee Lewis his cousin They used to sneak over the honky-tonk At night in the back they said and peek in and watch the girls Okay, so they were loading up on lost demons when he was young See those demons totally destroyed his cousin Jerry Lewis wrecked his life Yeah, and Darnier wiped out Jimmy swagger. That's how powerful these demons are when you don't do anything about them So they brought Jerry Lee Lewis here In the secular world of music the guy was the biggest thing on the planet When you're way up here the fall hurts more and it's harder They promoted Jimmy swagger to the top evangelists in the world him and Billy Graham Down they brought him why they outsmart everybody They want you to get religious and serve God and get busy busy busy and Ignore this You didn't finish You're delivered you started it which you did a good job, but you didn't finish it and Quiet at night while you're staring at the ceiling the person knows Something still wrong Whether they admit it or not they know that that felt There's something going on in there So they are thinking ministry is good Because it allows them to stay in there Because the person is too busy to do anything about it Right Correct this is how smart they are what I just told you Handful of people in the United States. No what I just told you they would tell you I am a heretic I'm a psycho. They swear to it. I'm crazy That's none of your business buddy What what they're doing here is Like he said you're so occupied With doing good things so busy or it could be secular things raise your family soccer practice kids They want you to stay busy Christianity busy sin busy busy busy so they don't have to get kicked out of there So now you're working 80 hours a week you were working 70 see anything. They'll use anything to stay in there so if they have to bless you with a Relationships money Business success that what have you they'll do it To stay in power, yeah This whole country is run by demon possessed billionaires and They built them They wanted them to be filthy rich Hear that confirmation They're they're making people successful. Where do you think Tony Robbins came up with all that crap? They inspired him this is supernatural Works in Christianity works in the second world doesn't matter to them As long as they get to stay in there and the person while they're laying in bed at night Serence of ceiling in a moment of reflection or as alcoholics call it a moment of clarity They go hey, you know what this illness I went to the doctor. There's no diagnosis. It's weird. They don't know what's wrong with me Something's wrong. Oh I Yeah, that lady at work. She said this and that to me now. Why did that trigger me? I Felt like getting up and slapping that biatch Where'd that come from? Well, there it is See, they know some things in there. They sense it, but they're so busy Serving God or Soccer practice, they're too busy to do anything about it And that's the curse of America Because in the developed countries people have things to do in undeveloped countries. There's nothing to do So they go to witchcraft and things like that They're not working 80 hours a week in Uganda building a giant business You're trying to survive food So this is this is a very effective was England America European country developed countries you can the devils can keep you busy So they don't have to leave Okay, so what happens is these demons here these familiar spirits, they're the worst ones they get in people's brains and they Start pumping them up and they start giving them blessings and It's usual spiritual blessings if they sense the person is loves God and is and wants Spiritual benefits from God blessings giftings. What have you? They will provide them and how do they do that? Well, they use the word of God. They got it all memorized Hey, Harry You know what you're just like Isaiah the prophet did you see that you see that download he got from God? You're a born-again Christian You should be getting downloads. You want to download? I Sure do hallelujah. I got a vision. There's a sign. I just saw the letters ABC 40 times today Because of God and they start pumping the person full of spiritual benefits He what Yeah, don't go there they get it giving the person prophetic conferences Showing you how to develop Here's how you do it Okay So they come up with blessing boards kind like Ouija boards and then they have Destiny cards Okay, you sit down with a spiritual advisor Christian you pray over it You know you hold your hands like that The Lord would say to you this is Oh That's a relationship card. God is going to bless your relation. Oh look at that and then you've got All these people downloading visions Words voices repetitive numbers It's endless I think that destiny board at Bethel is the same size as a Ouija board and There's a planchette that goes with it and you pray and you can get answers from God So what happens is the person then becomes loaded with these familiar spirits? They reside in the brain In here The only spirits here the familiar spirits are in the brain Both working in the mind and The person becomes as my granddad used to say So spiritually minded, they're no earthly good You ever met anybody like that all they talk about is You know the end of the world that rapture is it pre-trip is it post-trip is it mid-trip? Oh It's all spiritual man. I Saw this today. I saw that today and You look at them and you go my god, you've got all this Bible knowledge. You've got all this spirituality. It's amazing Why is your life in total chaos? So these familiar spirits have this Contradiction you'll see in these people's lives they got all this spirituality and They need ten bucks for gas Had they gone and finished their deliverance and gotten those things out of there and they would have known that the Bible guarantees you God will provide all your needs And the rest of their life sucks no relationships no money no friends all kinds of problems but They quote in verses by the yard and they got deep insight into your problems Experts on it. It's scary because these people almost never get delivered Because they're too convinced that what they're doing is of a God. Why would they abandon God? because you said It's familiar spirits. I don't believe you look at this is a blessing. No, you don't understand You don't understand. I always see red before blue. It happens all the time Yeah, I saw a car out there. It was red and then it had blue trim I Went to Wendy's I saw gift card was red and blue. That's God talking to me He wants me to eat at Wendy's God must have a revival. He wants me to start at Wendy's and then this thing starts to build and All these crazy spiritual stuff and the people looking at them that don't have those demons are going man, dude Slow the thing down. Listen, let's work on getting your rent paid You mean you got all this spirituality and you got this in-depth knowledge of the word and you got holes in your underwear Really stop it stop it But they're not able to stop it because they've taken over Their mind and what they're giving them they enjoy No, no, those are those are ministry busy bees this these are the spiritual ones these are different than them They hear from God can't straighten their life out save their lives everything's nuts but deep Deep dive Yeah, they get breaks here and there the demons don't beat on them all the time they build them up fall It's this syndrome here Build them up smash them build them up. You can't smash somebody and if you build them up They got to have something to fall Brother have you got a word for me? God awful Yeah, it's called the holy Bible. I Got word for you. I Gave a lot of words of the teaching last night. I had him on the slides. I went through God's I must be a spiritual genius I gave him everybody a word No, I can read That doesn't work anymore. So now they've gone to death's boards Cards I mean This thing is getting insane and nobody catches it because Their brainwashers it seems right and this person got a benefit from it. So The positive connection must be right and They don't understand the psychiatry of these spirits. They're happy to give somebody a blessing They don't mind as Along as the deception Continues That's all they care about. It's deception in addition. These run-in families. They come down from the tree and picking everybody off We've had entire families come through here couldn't get them delivered Almost every person couldn't get delivered Same demons These demons tell you you know what you're talking about you're an expert. Well once you once you decide you're an expert It's hard to take correction from somebody like me who's a non expert. You don't want to listen anybody They don't listen and they help them cover it up, you know Jimmy picked up his lost demons when he was a kid with Jerry Lee and He goes to a prostitute she dances for him and then he goes back home finishes his sermon for Sunday Well, they helped him cover it up See they were they were building him up so that the fall would be enormous see that Well that Swagger concept applies to normal people. It's just not publicized Because we're not famous He's famous And that was the purpose of it. They build people up who are famous so they can smash them and The embarrassment goes everywhere and of course the bottom line is Jesus is a kook That's what the devil wants everybody know Jesus is a kook and they can prove it look at that guy Look at her Certified idiot There's been several of them it's all the same It's all the same I used to go to the dream center in Scottsdale and This was years ago they had a Music director there was spectacular. I mean this guy was talented and He was so good Joel Olstein took me He left the dream center went to Joel Osteen and he was the music guy for Joel Olsteen's church big time sexual sin here fairs Osteen scandal affairs No deliverance The same lost demons were in Scott the dream center now they were transported to Lakewood Right same demons and Then boom Same scandal there Happen here same procedure So busy with music ministry serving God Hallelujah building the up To take you down So Olstein put him on what six months sabbatical or something, you know they put him in the counseling Geez Demons like you in counseling They want you to go because then they can tell you you're fine You went through counseling you've been rehabilitated He's back Because it doesn't work Deliverance deliverance with counseling works, but counseling absent deliverance doesn't work It's simply covering this thing. I did that for years cover it Still there. That's a routine thing to have happen If you knew what was going on in these music ministries, you would lay an egg You would not even believe it The carnality of these groups singing groups Christian groups, huh? Unreal They're like secular groups I'm not joking exactly. Yeah, what do you think of a use of a? Cyclotropic drugs These would deliver Well, you know it depends on the case now if you got a severe SMI type case You know like that guy was just telling you about the guy on the Bob Larson show I called his psychiatrist and I said Listen, you're giving him these meds, but I'm having these side effects Man, they're bad Can you do you have an alternative? They said yeah, we could try this. Okay, can you switch? He's going to come in for I'm gonna tell him get an appointment. Can you switch him over? because we're having these symptoms with the guy and I've never had them say to me I'm not going to help you because they're they're glad that somebody's working with their Insane patient because they can't cure him. So if if I'm going to be doing it Rots of rock as grandpa used to say So they'll do what I ask them if you call them and tell them look around these symptoms I need to switch this or reduce the dose or whatever it is Can we experiment with it and the client's okay with it? They'll go along with it and that's what I did with that guy But if the medication is not right or the dosage isn't right it actually lets in more demons So you can cast a bunch of demons out of somebody and then they go pick them back up over there It's risky, but some medications will on an SMI slow down their Thinking process slows it down a little bit. So I'm able to get a little truth in Okay, if their minds are racing at 5,000 miles an hour during I can't get anything in Yeah, then what wasn't anything they won't retain anything So in some cases the medication helps you a little bit and Then as you work with them and get more spirits out then you can not eliminate the medication but reduce it gradually because The body develops an addiction to it And if you cold tear turkey them, they'll go crazy And then all these things will get back in that you spent weeks or months getting out When I stopped drinking I went I guess the medication for my psychiatrist, uh-huh, but I always knew that the the mind can Take care of itself. Once it just needs to know help. I wasn't gonna stand them on the you know the medication to Make the anxiety and you know all that crazy stuff. Yeah, now that's a catch 22 what he just said Some clients They go through deliverance and they got these demons out and the demons tell the person you don't need your meds anymore You're cured Why don't you stop taking those without asking anybody and then Hell comes to breakfast Now they all get back in and you got to start over And so it's a it's a mixed you get a tread lightly so to speak but they Since you're feeling better They've convinced you you're an authority on deliverance. You're doing such a great job and your anointing is so high It's just amazing They don't need any pills besides that that's pharmacia You heard the minister say it's pharmacia didn't you? I sure did Now it's nightmare Ikea as they end their meds without asking anybody and their symptoms Go off the chart. So last night This gal gets infected with a spirit of infirmity Somewhere in here she gets saved The spirit of infirmity ruins her back She goes in for multiple surgeries that has a fusion and Right Then she comes here last night and I'm praying for her. She's not getting healed. So I tried it again Failure no healing So I said, you know, this is probably a spirit. So I tried my hip maneuver Never fails me Failed me last night. I so this is this is definitely not a healing This is a demon in there. He's jacking me around So I grabbed the gal Mike you pervert. No, I was grabbing that devil She was crying in pain and I squeezed her hard and Suddenly this thing started moving in her back Something was moving up the back. I squeezed tighter and And It went out and then she goes like that in my arms. I'll hold her Okay, and he was gone So this thing here This thing here had tormented her for years her her back with tilted that way her hips were like that and I said hey it left your heel go ahead her her butt her butt goes And her back on the right in front of my eyes Just like that And she walking down there crying Thank you Thank you Jesus They were at the back door leaving over here I saw you know one of the previous I was like and they were leaving I saw you I Stopped with Rico and I caught him at the door. They were going out the door. They were leaving Before I saw her Before I saw her. Yeah. Oh, I said, hey, uh, let me just pray with you real quick here She started talking about dreams or something. I go well. Oh, I remember I came to you. I said Dreams yeah So they almost got away South Praise Wow, that's a man didn't know that Wow Teamwork He was scared I don't know I want him out period So I kept praying for be healed and wasn't working see So I this must this is not a healing. This is a spirit She was bent over like that her fanny was stuck up that way. Did you see her walking kind of like that? No, she walking straight an arrow When that thing came out But he described it out because that's exactly what I saw what you said Yeah, I saw how I'm like It was the most amazing ever scene. Yeah, and I wasn't sure I think they ought to see it But he's described it the same way. So that's great. I saw it. Yeah Yep Because I knew when she went limp. I knew he was gone. That's a red flag. They're out when they go limp No, the spirit of infirmity she had been sick for years then last night I got another jolt I want a mother and a daughter came to the service Was that you guys? you You were staying you were both standing together, right? Side by side you're praying No at the beginning Yeah, because I came out there and I I Look took a look at the mother and say man this guy needs to be healed He healed she flew out of my hands See if you pray for somebody and they start to give you the slain in the spirit crap Grab them and hold them up. That's that's a trick Because the devil if you get him to swoon He's giving them away from you So when they start going I grab them stand up here Sometimes the anointing comes on me Slap comes in See I had no time to catch her She flies back at a hundred miles an hour hits her head right here These are legendary Walmart chairs See how soft they are they're comfortable Her head hit right here. I gulp because I'd already looked at her and Not to be insulting but She doesn't have the a body of an Olympic athlete She's thin little on the frail side and Flying through the air like a board and landing your head on there. I Kind of stopped I Started to try to recall My insurance agent's phone number It wasn't coming in so then I grabbed the daughter and Grabbed her and pulled her out because the daughter was sitting there praying Her mother disappears. I saw her going like that. I Thought ooh She probably thinks her mother's dead. I Wasn't sure So I went and got the daughter and pulled her up forward and I said about ten words to her and the Holy Ghost Jump on her And then thank God Danny came around so I yank Danny or taking you help this gal she finished her off Then later on after the lady With the spirit of infirmity and the mother standing to my left laughing And I thought you have no idea How relieved No broken neck no no insurance call no lawyers nothing And then she started giggling with the joy of the Lord Before she went flying there was no joy there There was no joy there before she took her trip It was sick Sadness sickness wounds every And then after I saw her giggling I Grabbed the daughter again The daughter probably hates my guts because I drag her all over the deliverance center. I Drag her back over to her mother and say here Your mother is now a perfect mother now She was a bad mother when you were young now. She's perfect God forgave her and then I had them both giggling and that made my night What happened to you when you went flying there I had no idea I've never done that before Oh it did Interesting then what were you thinking laying down there? Just flying Well, were you awake Laying down there, okay, then you got up when 20 minutes or so Then after you got up what were you thinking? And then when you were laughing What were you thinking? Well that meant you were healed Yeah, of course it was But with it when you go through this Wow Remarkable like to have a hundred or her every night wouldn't you wow we'd have some Oh, yeah I was at the Australia jail years ago And I was doing a women's service and the The chaplain over there was Pentecostal all the other chaplains were heathens. Oh They aren't even saved it's pitiful pitiful and the prisons were worse at worse You had to fight your way past the chaplains to help the people not this guy He was a said old somebody God evangelist. We hit it off like puppies He shielded me He he ran cover for me. He knew what I was doing in there Holding deliverance services. He would he would hide stuff. He would he did everything to keep You know them from finding out what I was doing But he escorted me over to Australia one day and I had two or three services over there before and they were booming Packed house packed women everywhere looking to get healed. It was utterly amazing. Nothing like this It was just off the hook. So I'm having an altar call. I can't remember what I taught on and This numerous convicts I Crying broken. I saw some girl in the back When I wasn't allowed to go into the crowd, you're not allowed to go out there Okay, but this chaplain He let me do the service myself, which I'm not allowed to do Karen couldn't make it that day So I didn't want to miss a service So I just went in and took a shot at it and I got in he got me in And then he left He was pretending to be my partner and took me over there and then he had to go back to his office You have me there alone So I thought well, there's nobody here. I'm just gonna do whatever I want. I went to the back there And some gal was crying her guts up about something. I said You know God, I think wants to heal you today, sweetheart be healed and I grabbed her head here like that and just like that gal Her body flew out of my hands It startled me She smashed into the block wall in the back Like Wiley Coyote Hit the back like that Head hit the brick hit the wall and slid down the wrong Like a cartoon I But I never had anything like that happen for so I ran to the front And started praying for somebody else on the other side of the chapel. How are you need prayer? I? Got as far away from that as I could because When somebody slams into a brick wall I didn't know what was going to happen. I couldn't catch her because Just flew out of my hands. She comes up after the service thanking me She turned her life over the Lord. She wasn't hurt at all. They left the chapel. She was so happy She wanted to give me a hug, but she couldn't that's it. That's illegal there. You can't hug anybody and I was at the human prison one day And we were having an altar call and this thing was ugly there were some murderers in the group And there were no guards and the chapel in there was Pentecostal he loved me and He was in the service Well during the altar call this big guy comes up And as soon as I saw him heading for me and started speaking in tongues huge and He wants prayer for something can't remember what was for I Said well, okay Be healed the guy starts shaking like this saggers back and does a Her caper face down On the concrete There's no carpet in prison. It's all concrete and block His forehead hit The concrete I heard it It made a strange like fuck noise My god, he's his skull is broken He's big he'd be like preacher Pete coming up here and doing a Peter Pym bull Head right into the concrete So I quickly found someone else to pray for I Was out of there faster than she was out of my hands last night He comes up after the service There was no red mark on his forehead nothing he was completely healed He was so happy that God had forgiven him. He's done some horrible things It was like it never happened. I had numerous incidents like that happen in prison. I Really did the worst one was in Florence I Had an altar call and the guys were flying into the chairs and At the end of the service every chair in the chapel had been knocked over I Looked up at the chaplain while I was leaving I go and Left it was one Healing and miracle after the other One after the other I'll never forget as long as I live One guy walked up to me in that same service There was one chair still standing He says while I was down there. I was listening to you a talk brother Mike and I heard God speak to me about my ministry And he said is is that real? I said it won't be unless you say yes. Go ahead And grabbed him by the throat he flew through the air and knocked down the last chair So they were all knocked over And when I left all the most of the guys were laying on the ground out spiritual bowling and my philosophy of Love completely changed when I had a jail and prison ministry To see God jump on these hardcore sinners and Just accept them like they were Mother Teresa blew my mind blew my mind It was amazing. It was amazing. I Used to go out the Perry bill in the women's prison And the chaplain out there was this Baptist guy's name was Butler This guy was a butler downer He had zero interest in Anything and when I would go out there I would hide from me So I didn't want to talk to him and Karen couldn't come one night and I didn't want to miss the service so I went by myself wasn't supposed to do it and I hid from Butler When he came down from one direction, I jumped in the bathroom and when I saw him again I darted around the corner. I didn't want the guy to see me. I finally got out to the Yard where I was to have the service Place is packed I told him that story about I Told him a story about the one I've told years ago about him about wrestlers and Why God? Why wrestlers the owners and everybody sit up in the boxes and they watch the wrestlers and they act like it's nothing and all the wrestlers and All the fans are going berserk but up in the Skyboxes where the Mayan airs are They're just sipping Southern comfort and smoking Cuban cigars chillin And I said the Holy Ghost does the same thing he Sits there while you're going through the biggest trials of your life and it appears that he's doing nothing And I said the reason that happens is the reason those owners do that the reason the Holy Ghost does that is because The fight is fixed When I said fixed Like some wind came in The women heard me say that the fight is fixed crumbling out of their chairs They were crying their eyes out begging God to forgive them One after the other Fall on their knees Begging for mercy Everybody I prayed for either got healed filled with the Holy Ghost something they were all open vessels And they realize that the hell of their lives was God was watching it and he was setting it up to give them a Victory they couldn't even conceive because the fight is fixed and That's true for you. The Holy Ghost got your fight fixed The devil that he know so I don't know how I got on these stories. I Don't remember what I was talking about but Any questions before we close I guess that's a good place for me to close Anybody It's a great blessing That's what you're looking for Yeah, well it could be repentance you never know it depends on the case they may be conviction which is great That's the best thing there is Yep Right, hon. Yeah Yeah Yes, sir. Love makes you cry doesn't it I Said like seven words to her boom she doubled over I said well the Holy Ghost here I'm done When he shows up you're done. He'll take it from there There he goes All right. All right. Well, you turn that light off above you there. Don't fly up there. Just reach your hand up All right, thank you Jesus Lord My favorite service of the month is this one and for obvious reasons My friends show up and we get to talk together Thank you for that and so if anybody needs a touch from God today there are people here to pray with you I'll be here and Just stay and we'll do it and if not, I'll see you next month Amen Anybody need prayer for you leave Mike. I should meet you How long you had that Maybe five months. What were you doing back then? Anything happened to you five months ago six months ago Negative Anybody attack you hurt you anything unusual happened six months ago seven. Yeah, I got thrown up against a wall by Where was that at What abortion going? Oh Okay, so you sounds like you're picking up a transfer Yeah, abortion clinics are tough places to preach because the demons over there On steroids that's a murder center. So they're very dangerous Who attacked it Oh some guy. Oh, this was outside the clinic Just hardness Tree like the spine coming up like a tree Yoga Just there's an instrument that he uses something called the axis They run it down your vertebra. No, it's just it's just a pressure. Oh, they pressurized it after it did Release it felt better. Yeah, I felt better. Oh, okay. So good Oh Oh, you're a pastor. Oh, that's a tough job Through Yeah, anybody who can relieve you or help you All this burdens on you Well, that's the devil trying to wear you out. Yeah, you know the end game is gonna go bad for you Yeah, you're gonna lose your health Yeah, you're gonna lose your health Yeah, yeah, you picked up a transfer he's hiding in there Other than that guy that attacked you, are there any other people that have stabbed in the back or betrayed you? Yeah Criticizing yeah And then a lot of before that did you have a bunch of people stabbed in the back? Yeah Has that been a consistent pattern be traitors I Where's your family betray you when you were little? Who mom or dad Uncle what I mean verbally abusive or sexual verbal they were hard on you What about your parents how they treat you My dad Was he a mean drunk no no loving drunk How about mom? Was she a critical nitpicker. Yeah. Okay. What was her name Debbie? Okay. Now. This is better I just close your eyes there and take a big breath What's your name again Ryan Ryan, okay? my father I Wish his mother was here today Because I know she was a Very wounded human being I Know she was a very wounded human being And that her wounds spilled on to her son And she unwittingly cursed him And so now in his ministry people betray him and criticize him They nitpicking Just like she did They find fault with him like she did It's the same spirit That's stalking for years And now Demons are even causing antifa to attack him And today we want to pray for all those people That have betrayed him especially his mother Because the Bible says thou shalt not dishonor thy mother or thy father And when he was young he was tired of her criticism Tired of the way she talked to me When he was young he was frustrated and sick of it The devil took advantage of him He used his mother to get in and hide So mother in the name of Jesus We forgive you we forgive you Father I ask you I wish he was here I pray my heart out for Because I know that when she criticized Ryan those were her wounds She was a very hurt person. I'm sorry about that Lord And I'm sorry about any negative thing Ryan ever said about her any negative Emotion he ever had toward her anything And we repent of it right this second and we renounce it in the name of Jesus and Every word curse she poured over the man of God We break it off of him today Through forgiveness For her mother and these church people and these ministers that have turned on him As you told us to love our enemies and to bless those who curse us and To pray for those who despite free use us That's what she told us to do and that's what we're doing right now. We're going to Bless each one of these people that turned on him at the church Ever one of them every person that lied about him Every person that's abdium in the back when he wasn't around And ran him down We are forgiving them right this second When that evil spirit from his mother hiding in his stomach there You must come out because we have forgiven her today We have forgiven these church people We're having mercy on them even when they don't have mercy on us We are forgiving them even though they have not forgiven us We are like you Lord Jesus forgive them for they know not what they do His mother did not understand spiritual things she did not know she had demons and They just spoke out of her mouth just like that toward Ryan to curse She's still alive So right now Lord in Jesus holy name All three of us agree that Every spirit from her mother His mother hiding in that stomach Has to come out today Because we forgive her We forgive her Every religious demon every familiar spirit every spirit of murder and violence Every demon from an abortion clinic Every spirit of death You come out of that stomach right now Ryan commands you to go Ryan commands you to come up mother I release you from my soul I release you from my heart and I hand you to the Lord Today this ends today Come out of me right now in Jesus name take a breath of mode Come on out Mother come out