 Hello, Psych2Go viewers. I'm Michelle Rivas and I'm the host of Psychology Roundtable. Our guest for today's live stream is psychiatrist and social media personality, Dr. Sasha Hamdani. Dr. Sasha's inspirational and educational content on mental health has earned her thousands of followers and millions of views across social media accounts. It's an honor to have her here today. Welcome, Dr. Sasha. Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you for having me. What an intro. Absolutely. You deserve it. So can you tell us a little bit about yourself and your background? Yeah. So my name is Sasha Hamdani. I was born in California and I did my training right out of high school. I got into medical school and I landed in the Midwest. As I was going through medical school, I started to struggle with my own mental health in terms of ADHD and everything else that came with it, which kind of led me down the path of psychiatry. So I graduated from medical school, got into psychiatry residency and then really niched down and just subspecialized into ADHD as like a clinical interest. And then in, you know, right around the time that everybody was joining social media, like the pandemic, it was boring being at home. And so I, you know, I got on to social media and started doing these small educational tidbits and some advocacy stuff online. And it's kind of grown and expanded since then across multiple platforms. And that led me to writing a book, Self-Care for People with ADHD, which was released through 7-8 Chuster in January and releasing an app, Focus Genie, which came out last week, came out last week. That's amazing. You can download in the Apple Store and the Google Store. Yeah. Amazing. Okay, we'll talk about that later. But so I just wanted to start out, I wanted you to define exactly what ADHD is because I feel like people are still confused about it sometimes. Like, they don't know exactly what it is and sometimes people misdiagnose. So just defining what ADHD is and how is someone diagnosed with it? Yeah, that's a good question. So ADHD is a clinical diagnosis. That's like the first and foremost thing to talk about because there are a lot of people that don't, that question the validity of that. But yes, it is. It's in the DSM. It's qualified by the CDC and NIH. And it is a diagnosable medical condition and it's a neurodevelopmental condition, which means a lot of the times it's passed down genetically from throughout your family. So you're born with it and it's categorized by three different things. And you don't necessarily have to have all three of them. It can be a different variation of all three, but it's inattentiveness, hyperactivity and impulsivity. So you have those three kind of main pillars that you're dealing with. And so ADHD is broken into also three big classes, which are kind of similar to that. Inattentive type, ADHD. So ADHD, inattentive type, which for a long time before the name change happened in the DSM-5, it was called ADD. So a lot of people worry, think about that distinction. So it's basically all ADHD now, but ADD is ADHD, inattentive type. And then there's ADHD hyperactive type. And then there's ADHD combined type, which is kind of a combination of the two. And sometimes people think it's all like just one thing, right? It's just ADHD. And so with that being said, what is ADHD paralysis and how does it interfere with a person's ability to complete tasks? Yeah, that's a really good question. And it's kind of, so ADHD paralysis isn't a, it's not in the DSM criteria, right? I'm saying DSM. I'm talking about that, the diagnostic criteria laid out in that statistical manual. So you can, so psychiatrist, a therapist and anybody else who's clinically diagnosing something uses that criteria to see if you meet it in order to give you that diagnosis. So ADHD process isn't in there. Basically what it is, is it's discussing when you have executive dysfunction. It's an inability to start to sustain, to complete tasks, because you are feeling tremendously anxious or stressed or fatigued. So it's a breakdown in goal directed activity. And people, why it's called paralysis is they literally feel stuck in that moment. Yeah, they feel like it's like a freeze. And so how is it different from procrastination though? Because some people would say, well, isn't it just the same as procrastinating? Yeah, I mean, that's a really good question too. Because I think procrastination, there is a component of it, a component, which can be volitional, right? Which can be like, I know this is coming up. I'm just going to ignore it. Like I'll deal with it later. And you turf that stuff and you push it off till later. And that can be due to difficulty with understanding time. It can be difficulty by being overwhelmed. It can be for a lot of different reasons, but you're conscious of that. I feel like ADHD paralysis or task paralysis or executive function breakdown, for the most part, I think can be invol- is involuntary. You get to the point where you are so oversaturated with stimuli, with being overwhelmed, with being tired, with being anxious, that your brain, literally those gears are not working. And you can't think about that next step because you're frozen. Yeah. And do you think that it kind of goes together with depression and anxiety sometimes, like comorbidly? I think it can. I know what's tricky about ADHD, like clinically, as a prescriber. And someone who diagnoses this. What's tricky about it is that a lot of the times when you have significant ADHD dysfunction, it impacts every facet of your life. So you look anxious, you look depressed, and it doesn't necessarily mean you have that underlying. It could be that that air of dysfunction is so much that it's causing symptoms that look like ADHD and depression. Although there is a high correlation, you know, a fourth of people with ADHD also have anxiety and almost as much have cross-correlation with depression. So it's just a very nuanced feel. There's a lot going on. Yeah. And like that paralysis, it can stop people from even like completing tasks like basic hygiene, right? Even things like that, like getting up and morning brushing their teeth. And so I think that sometimes it can go, you know, hand in hand with depression or exacerbate like depression and anxiety. Yeah. It's a vicious cycle. Yes. Yeah, for sure. And then in terms of like brain function, research shows that ADHD paralysis is caused by a dopamine imbalance in the brain. Could you explain how this works to our viewers? Okay, kind of. Would you disagree? Because I know it's a research and like, maybe you don't agree with it, but do you agree that it's a dopamine imbalance or? No. So here's why I'm hesitating. I think it's a complicated phenomenon because a lot of times people, when they're talking about this dopamine theory, there's a lot of things. It's easy to say, I don't have enough dopamine in my brain. And that's what's causing these problems. When really the truth is, it's not that you don't have enough dopamine. You might have perfect amounts of dopamine. It's just not in the right place or that it's being used up too quickly or that it's in, you know, it's being, you know, recirculated at a pace that's not appropriate for the situation. So that's why it becomes a little bit different. So when you're looking at dopamine dysregulation theories, there's a lot, we don't actually know exactly what it's from. We don't know if it's because it's excessive breakdown. We don't know if it's not being synthesized appropriately or enough quantity. We don't know if it's just being expressed in the wrong area. So it's really multifaceted. I think dopamine is a big major player in this. And I can tell that because when you're looking at it's, you know, ADC's inter-correlation with like reward pathways and how people like express that in their brain. There's a high crossover there. It also makes a lot of sense when you're thinking about certain medications that work and why they're so effective. They're being, they're partially active on that norepinephrine and dopamine pathway. So I think it is involved. I can't, I don't know exactly how it is involved. Do you feel like in the future it'd be good if they could like create technology that could actually show you exactly where these imbalances are? Oh my God. I mean, I dream about that. I'm like being 100% serious. That's where my dreams go. I actually recently interviewed someone a week ago. His name is Dr. Alexander Nikolesko. And he's actually creating research and developing tests on how to like measure anxiety and depression in blood. Like how, yeah. So I think that's amazing. Maybe ADHD is next. We'll see. But we're ready. Right. We're ready for it. But then sometimes people who experience ADHD paralysis, they'll just be labeled as lazy by others. How do we fight this problematic stigma? Because it is invalidating. And a lot of people feel like ashamed to come forward with ADHD because they just think they're going to be labeled as like a lazy person or a bum. And, you know, that's not fair. So not fair. Because I feel like, um, I don't know, I'm probably biased in this, but as someone who has ADHD, man, I feel like I work hard all the time. Right. I don't feel lazy. I mean, I feel. And so I think that it is a, like, I think if we could somehow de-stigmatize this enough so that people understand that it's, your brain is uniquely wired. So it's not necessarily that you are lazy. It's that you have dysregulation happening. So the way you attend to attention and emotion is different than what I think a neurotypical person deals with. So when you're expected to perform along the same metrics, it's easy to compare those two things, but they're totally different brains. And so it's, I think that as we're beginning to progress a little bit more and understand more and learn how to accommodate different forms of neurodivergence, I think people are more ready to have these conversations. But I think that that it's like this, this live stream, I think is fabulous because right, we're getting, we're getting eyes on things and we're learning and we're exposing and talking more about, about this as a phenomenon. So that more and more people recognize this as like, Hey, we should be talking about this. We should be, we should be opening up ways to accommodate and change our structure so that we can get the best possible work out of these people. Instead of just immediately labeling them as lazy. Absolutely. And how do you feel like the same people who make the argument about people with maybe ADHD being lazy or procrastinating, you know, procrastinating. They would say that a lot of people, or I guess they would have that same argument that they don't take accountability for their actions that they just want to blame the ADHD. And like, what do you have to say about that argument because I also feel like that's a validating. I would agree with you. Um, if there's a lot around that right because a lot of people they think that people are using ADHD as an excuse and I think it's really important to understand that it's not an excuse it's an explanation right. I'm trying to explain to you how my brain is working. And I'm, you know, for example, if we had something where I'll give you a random example I turn in something late right. And then I'm like, God, I'm sorry, I, I have ADHD it just, you know, maybe that's not like a solid explanation. But if I'm saying, I was trying to turn it in. And I, at the last second, the last like three minutes before it was due, I got distracted by something else and I was unable to pull my attention away, but I had this full intention of doing that and I have been ready this entire time. There's an explanation there like, okay, you got distracted and it's harder to turn your attention away from things that are highly stimulating. And so like, you know, it gives a little bit more grace and understanding because there's there is a lot to be said when you're just looking at people who are not ready to hear that right they're not ready to hear about ADHD because they think that this was a purposeful admission or that, you know, there was the intent of being late or that you didn't prioritize this task. When really you might have been prioritizing at the whole time and this like at the last second slip through your fingers. Yeah. And like, I mean, in a situation like that you can prove, well, I did the assignment, but and just because I feel like that's why teachers need to be more understanding of that. But that's why you're seeing in universities, they have like accommodations now for like mental health issues. So that's good. So I mean, I agree with that. But yeah, a lot of people would say like, oh, well, it's not holding people accountable. I guess there is a limit though, right? There is a limit to where someone can't just say, well, it's my ADHD there has to be a point where it's like, okay, well, I have to take responsibility for not doing something or completing a test. How do you feel about that? Of course. Yeah, I think I think that there is it's, I don't even think it's a fine line. I think what what needs to happen is that with ADHD, you need to understand, hey, here are my limitations. Here's what I'm not necessarily good at. And here's what I'm great at and learning how to balance those two things so that you can function in society is important. So if you're lucky enough to be in a situation where you're in it like someone is accommodating of of ADHD and of like these neurodivergent differences, utilize that and work with them to to build an architecture that you can thrive in while still being held accountable, like you got to do these things to progress in society and be right, but you want to have you want to have certain accommodations so that you're allowed to thrive, right? You can't get out of free card every time you have to you have to put in the work and find a way to thrive. Absolutely. And so for those suffering from ADHD paralysis, what coping strategies or treatment options do you recommend? I know it's different for every person, but like generally speaking. I, that's a really good question and I get it all the time. And I feel like my answer is different all the time but the one thing that's a stable is I think that the most important thing when you are trying to find ways to cope with that is to understand what your patterns are. And so if you understand your own behavior and if you're like, this is how much eating impacts me. This is how much drinking impacts me. This is how much sleeping impacts me. This is how much exercise impacts me. This is this is when I typically feel anxious is when I typically feel depressed that those data points are so helpful, especially for this ADHD paralysis, because then once you understand your patterns. Number one, you can hopefully avoid those periods of ADHD paralysis a little bit better because you're not getting so overwhelmed and sucked up in that moment. And then number two, you recognize your patterns enough to know how to climb out of it. And I think that's what's really important. So everybody has its slightly different answer. I'll tell you, in my case, I'm like, just a week ago. This is good timing. A week ago, I was in that spot where I was just absolutely overwhelmed with too many things. And I explained it like my brain is too full, like nothing is coming in, nothing is coming out, but I understand my expectations of what I'm supposed to do. I saw that video and it was so relatable and inspiring. Thank you. Thank you for that. You're welcome. But it was it was so it was like I really struggled whether or not to post that because I first of all, like, crying on the internet. I'm when your followers love you because you're honest and transparent. That's like what it is because, you know, I think that I just, I'm sorry to interject, but I think when people see you, they see this like accomplished psychiatrist as Dr. It's intimidating, right? And people can't always relate to that, but you're being human and people can relate to that and they love it. And that's why they follow you. They don't follow you because, oh, you're a psychiatrist. They follow you because you're Sasha and they think that you're relatable and you are relatable and you're amazing. So yeah. Come on. But the video itself, I think it came from a place of just like, I mean, just getting smoked on every front. And so I just, I mean, really, Michelle, it took me three days to come out of that. Like three solid days where I was out and I felt like that was a time where I had all that pressure to do all these things. My app was launching. I had a lot of family stuff going on. Work was like a lot. I have a lot of patients in a small amount of time. And so it was so, it was so difficult for me in that three days to kind of figure out because I'm like, I need to be functional right now. And everybody was like, no, thank you. So I think it's just a matter of like when, when I got into that spot, I recognize like, okay, I know that my, my needs are this, and I don't have much to give. What, what do I need to prioritize? So this will be over in the fastest way possible. And what I needed to prioritize is I needed to get calories in. I needed to get adequate sleep. And I needed to like exercise off the table. No way. It's like, I know it's probably good for me, but that and my body was just like, I can't like, no, and then I needed to hydrate. I mean, I was like, I hadn't I was like running 1000 miles an hour. I had like, I didn't have a sip of water in like three days because I was just like all over the place. Oh my God, see self care is important. You have to like breathe and like, you know, think about yourself for a second. And it's just like, you get, you get so consumed by other things that you just like you forget all of these important, important, important things. And so, like, that's what I prioritize. And one of the things that's on that focus genie app, which literally was created because this is because I was in one of those holes at the time is they have a focus tracker where you can track like so much water. It drags this how much I ate this how much I slept this how impulsive I was this what my mood was. So you can like realize it. Yeah. Yeah. So I went back and I didn't. I didn't think about the water thing until I went back and I was looking and I they had like I attract my thing and I was like, I really haven't been drinking water. So it was nice to be able to go back and be like, okay, well, at least I can I can better identify my patterns this way. Absolutely. And I'm like, was it therapeutic to talk about it on camera, like a release? Yeah. I mean, to some degree, I think I think I was so there's some posts, there's some posts where I'm like really excited to see what people would say. And there's some posts where I'm like too fragile of a spot to like really pick up a process and I think I was in that spot where I'm like I can't even so like I filmed it. I made the decision to post it. I was like, I'll come back in an hour if I want to take it down. So I didn't really like think about it or look at it for actually and then I waited a little bit longer because I forgot about it. Yeah. Then later I saw those messages and they were so wonderful and supportive and kind. Yeah. But I don't know. No trolls. I mean, maybe one or two. I haven't seen it. Okay, no, I mean, that's good though, because there are a lot of internet trolls, I get why you'd be kind of hesitant, like, I don't know. Oh my God, my channel is so nice. Everybody on literally everybody on there. It's like a support group. They're so wonderful. Like I'm getting to the spot where I'm getting to recognize names on there. And it feels very, I don't know, very inclusive and great and sometimes like even when I need reminders of stuff, I'll go back through the comments section. I'm like, that's a good idea. What does that remind me of our audience here at Psych2Go? A supportive, amazing and lovely. Just a thank you to you guys. Yeah. So that brings me to our audience segment where we answer your viewer questions. I'm super excited about this. Are you ready, Sasha? Of course. Awesome. Before we get to that, I just wanted to say guys, we have our new book out at Bards and Nobles and Amazon, The Psychology of People by Thomas Tang. You guys can see it. You guys can get it now. It came out on the 19th. It's one of Amazon's top releases. Please support us. There's a link in the description. We also have our Bards and Nobles book and coffee event coming up. So just look out for that link in the description. So let's get started, Sasha. Dr. Sasha. I respond to anything. Awesome. So let's see. We have a lot of people in here. So let's see what they're saying. So let's see. Okay. Teresa asks, how do I tell my parents that I think I have ADHD? I'm 25 years old, but I'm afraid that they'll ostracize me for my mental health issues. Yeah. I mean, that's a good question. Thank you, Teresa. That's a really good question. And it's a tricky thing, whether it's ADHD or anything else, right? Anything else in that mental health sphere. It's always tricky to know the right way to disclose that. And a lot of the time, it really depends on who your family is and what your dynamics are and things like that. What I've found personally, and I mean, I think this is just from being both a provider and a patient, I've found that from a personal perspective, if I keep things as clinical as possible, it really takes away the emotional component of it, which I think people when they talk about mental health, it's hard to separate those two. But if you're saying things like, you know, I went through and I was talking to the therapist and I looked into, you know, and we were talking a lot about how difficult it was for me to focus and name certain things and the emotional side of things and you really get into like clinical data, maybe people would be more receptive to that and there'd be less of that air of judgment. You can also like have your parents go in with you to like a therapy or a diagnostic session and have the therapist do that for you, therapist or psychiatrist or somebody. Dr. Sasha, you mentioned that you have ADHD. How did your parents like embrace it? My story was weird. So I got diagnosed in fourth grade and it got picked up. It wasn't really talked about at the time, but it got picked up because I presented as really hyperactive. So I was like wreaking havoc in my classroom. And so like when they got, you know, when my teachers talked to them and they got kind of pushed along, pediatrician and things like that, at that point, they were like, okay, I get it. I see it. And so they, I started on medication, but we didn't really talk about it because it wasn't talked about a lot. And then I didn't, I was on medication and I didn't actually realize I had ADHD or that I was taking medication for ADHD specifically. I thought it was like just a vitamin that's going to help me until I got to med school. And then that's when we really had conversations about it. Wow. And how did, and they embraced it though or were they cut? They didn't know like, you know, what it was at first? I think they, I think they knew what it was. They just didn't know how to broach it with me being in fourth grade. And we've talked about it since then. And I think they would have done things differently now. But when, when I was in medical school and trying to figure it out, I think they handled it really well because they gave me a safe place to explore it on my own. Because initially I was like, there's no way. And I rebelled against the diagnosis that I fell behind in school and it was just really difficult for me. And then they were like, just come home and let's instead of focusing on school, just focus on ADHD, really get into it. And so we were going into the library. We were going and researching on our own. We were talking amongst each other and trying to make a game plan and understand the brain a little bit better. And that, that's safe. But that week long exploration into ADHD and having that safe place to answer questions and to explore this, I think was really wonderful. Absolutely. You know, sometimes people just need to be educated on these things. It's not that they're, you know, a lot of people sometimes they don't, they're not trying to be cruel or rude about mental health issues. They just don't know. And so it's good to educate people. That's what we're trying to do at Psych2Go. That's what Dr. Sasha's doing. And so next question is by Stile Fairy. Hopefully I'm not butchering your name. So Dr. Sasha, how does ADHD link to social anxiety in general? That's a good question. I think that like we talked about earlier in this live, some of it is that you get some anxiety from ADHD when ADHD isn't properly managed. And some of it is you can have anxiety as a completely separate problem. And, you know, anxiety can sometimes cause focus issues that look like ADHD. So it can be that this is anxiety with focus issues. It can be focus issues that cause anxiety or it could be a combination of both. Really, one of the biggest questions I asked patients when we're trying to figure that out is, do you feel like you're, we'll do it, we'll do it from the anxiety perspective. Do you feel like your anxiety is caused by your inability to focus? Or do you feel like your inability, do you feel like your anxiety is caused by, I have to do it the other way around because I'm talking about focus usually. So when I'm talking about ADHD and trying to figure out if it's from anxiety, is your lack of focus causing anxiety, or is your anxiety causing a lack of focus. So that way you can kind of figure out and if it's like, I don't know, man, it's entirely possible that it could be both. So it could be, yeah, it could be one or the other, but it's just crazy how like, sometimes people don't even realize they actually have anxiety and depression and ADHD and so they're not getting the help that they need sometimes. Totally. Yeah. And so then Selena asked my boyfriend says that my ADHD behavior and laziness is unattractive and a turn off. How do I deal with this? And how do I explain to him that I'm not doing it on purpose? Sounds kind of toxic, Selena. I don't like him. Here's the deal. I think that if we're being as judgment neutral, because like when that falls on my ears, I hate it. But I think if I'm being as neutral as possible, it really boils down to the fact of like ADHD is something that most of the time you're born with and like you work to cope with and handle on a regular basis. This is going to be an ongoing thing that you support and manage. And so with finding a partner or partners or finding people that you allow into your life, you want to find people that are going to support and cherish you throughout this process, because it's a long process of trying to figure out all those variables. So I think explaining it to him and explaining it clinically and how this isn't a failure. It's not a moral failure. It's not something that you're purposefully doing. This is just your brain works a little bit differently. That can go two ways. One, it could be like, totally understand where you're coming from. I can't believe I didn't think about it this way. How can I support you? Primo, that's a good response. If you get, I don't really believe that. I don't know if that's true. I think you're just lazy. Yeah, that's unsupportive. It's not that it's unsupportive. I mean, yes, it is totally unsupportive, but it's also indicating that, you know, you're doing your due diligence and you're explaining to him kind of how your brain works. If you're not getting like at least a listening ear or willing to kind of explore this together, that might not change. And I think that paying attention to language is important because using the words laziness, procrastination, it's not approaching the situation with empathy or compassion. And so if someone's just going to throw out like mean words, you know, then that's definitely not going to help the situation. So I'm sorry about that, Selena. Turn off. Come on, Selena. You're not a turn off. I'll introduce you to someone else. It'll be fine. Right. And then I love this next question because it kind of goes with the last one. Allison Romero asks how, or in what way can you support your partner who has ADHD? I love that. Thank you, Allison. Love that question. Hi. So number one is first understanding how your partner's brain works, asking questions coming from a neutral and non-judgmental place, like providing them a safe place that they can talk to you about it and you can work on solutions together. I mean, I will tell you from personal experience, this is what I think my partner does really well because I think he, I know he does not have ADHD. His brain works like just very analytically and like we just think completely differently. And there are things that I know probably just irritate him to no end in the way that my brain works and vice versa. But the way that we have managed or have figured out how to get past that is through communication. Like we have just kind of figured out how to communicate those things to each other lovingly without. I mean, it took us a second, but like without confrontation or without it being offensive to the other person. So once you kind of figure out how to talk to your partner and once you guys are both coming from a place where it's supportive and you're working to build together, I think that's really powerful and wonderful. And you know, opening that dialogue communication is everything, right? Totally. Yeah. And then let's see. Oh, and just so that you can clarify this again because you did mention this but some people maybe came to the live late lollipop the robot asked is ADHD paralysis a part or a part of ADHD or is it a different diagnosis. It's not actually part of the formal diagnostic criteria. So it's something that we kind of colloquially talk about and it's, it's, it's something that we just, it's like a conversational term for discussing executive dysfunction. Like, this is a problem. We need to address this a little bit more carefully because I feel very frozen and stuck. But that's what that ADHD paralysis side of things is, but it's not part of that diagnostic criteria. But to be totally honest with you, I think the diagnostic criteria for ADHD is pretty narrow and kind of stupid. So I think there's a lot of room for improvement. So maybe it will be, I don't know. They said that if you don't get, I've heard this before that if you don't get diagnosed as a child with ADHD that you can't get diagnosed as an adult is that true or how does it work. So no, that's not true. I mean, you can get diagnosed kind of at any time. But what I would say is that you would have had to show symptoms as a child. So even if you weren't dying because there are a lot of people that didn't have access to care or were running around untreated or their parents didn't want to go and get them evaluated. And they didn't carry that diagnosis, but they had symptoms. So I think it would have had to present before age 12, but you don't necessarily have had to have had a diagnosis. That's crazy. Yeah, no, that's insane. Because what's the difference between ADHD and ADD? So there is none. So ADHD is what they call all of it now. ADD is kind of an outdated term and it's more most akin to ADHD in a tentative type. Okay, that's that's interesting. I didn't even know that. Thank you for clarifying that. And then this last question, and I think it's just interesting because sometimes people don't know what the causes are behind ADHD. But Rachel Miranda asked, what is the root cause of ADHD? Obviously, there's not just one but No, there isn't just one. I mean, fundamentally, this is neurodevelopmental. It gets passed on through families. It's a genetic thing. There is a lot of other things that they're looking at like perimatal factors and and other things. Some people have seen an association with head trauma. But for the most part, that's one of the biggest components. There is some, you know, there's an entirely separate school of thought where they're looking at like trauma focus and how that's related to ADHD, but it's still theoretical and not proven. I mean, the trauma definitely doesn't help ADC. Does it cause ADHD? I think it's a separate thing. Thank you for that, Dr. Sasha. And that concludes our audience section. Thank you so much for that. Appreciate it. So now we're going to move over to the last segment of our interview. And I just wanted to talk about Focus Genie. Could you explain that to our viewers? It's an app that you can download on Apple, the Google Store available on iPhone, Android, correct? Yeah, perfect. And it gives people like the tools, people with ADHD the tools to sort of like understand their behavior and to also help them navigate what they're struggling with. It's so much better than that. It's so much better. So Focus Genie is something that I worked on. I've been working on it for about two and a half years. And it is basically the place to start. Like if you think you have ADHD or if you have a loved one with ADHD, because it's got two parts. It's got an educational side and it's got a functional productivity side. So the educational side is like these little, it's like social media swipers and it's broken down by like areas. So there's like relationship stuff. There's professional stuff. There's physical stuff. There's fundamentals and there are little tiny educational modules that you with key points and polls. And so it's engaging that you can learn from and every month or new ones being added. And then on the other side, there's productivity tools. So there's things that you can break down your tasks. There's to-do lists that you can break down by category. There's a focus tracker where you can track, you know, your food, your water, your sleep, your mood, your impulsivity. All of that stuff gets tracked and it's visually kind of depicted into insight. So you see your patterns over time. You can body double with people if you feel like you need someone to help you. There's ADHD focused audio. There's a journaling section. So all of those things together working to kind of help support the person. And then on top of all of that, it's gamified. So it's engaging, you're earning coins, you're motivated to keep going. So I just felt like this was, I was trying to think about like what is something that I really would have used in medical school when I was struggling. And it to keep me on track to get me through schooling so I could understand my own brain from like a neutral spot because with the pandemic I understood how difficult care was to access. And with social media and things like that, I love it because I can give information, but it's so disorganized. It's hard to like give you like, you know, if someone wants to look for something, it's hard to find all of this information about that. It's just scattered and you're kind of at the will of the algorithm. But this is just nice that it's all in one spot. So it's like a go-to for, it's not just for ADHD, right, though, but like for anyone dealing with like mental health struggles. So it's the educational parts talk about ADHD pretty specifically, but I think the productivity tools can be used for anything. And as we're getting more and more feedback, we've had patients that are not even, they're not even formal patients, but we've had people that are suffering from anxiety and struggling from depression that have really benefited from all of it. So it was just a nice asset. So it's like a go-to kind of like a tool that you can use when you're struggling. I have it right here. This is what it looks like guys, if you can see it right here. It's available for download on like what you said on the Apple Store, in the Apple Store, Android, it's free, like you said, and it's super easy. Like it's free to download. It's free to download. There's a subscription, there's a three-day free trial. There's a subscription model after that, but it's at the, if you wanted to pay for per year, it's four bucks per month. And then by month, it's six bucks a month because I wanted to make it less than a cup of coffee per month. Well, try out that free trial. It's worth a try, right? Yeah, if you hate it, stop it. Okay, well, thank you so much for joining us today. Dr. Sasha, it was amazing and thank you for all you're doing, you know, expanding education around mental health. We really appreciate you and thank you to our amazing viewers for participating today. And remember to pick up our new book, Psychology of People on Amazon and Barnes and Nobles, link in the description. Have a great day guys. Bye.