 Yeah, we on boss talk 101. Yeah, we gonna talk. We gonna have fun. We'll be on fire. We'll be live lit. It's a unique hustle Check check check in this unique house. This is your boy ECO and I'm here with the lovely amazing official miss Jamaica What's going on? None none. You know my day walk on I want y'all to stop what you're doing right now Go ahead and like subscribe follow us in all social media platforms I mean our Facebook tick tock Instagram YouTube you name it. We're on it But check out our patreon channel because that's where you're gonna see all our full-length interviews Before he start clipping all the clips. Okay, she just snitched on me before he starts He started clipping and all that that you know what I you know, I'm not gonna do normal plead to feel for now What but check it man? Hey, man, we got a very special guest near today y'all He really don't need an introduction He's been on the show a few times now man ever since we started this road and I'm always having back man So we can just brush up on what's going on with mr. Lee. What's going on, baby? Cooling cooling man was going down man. Hey, man. Listen all I can say is man Man, hey that last I'ma get into the music the last time you zone here. We were talking about a little bit. Uh, I had I had a actually had a Bobo I had he's a Leo and you on here Yeah, and I had said this silk was hard and you said yes silk was hard But a few people said, you know, otherwise and when I clipped it in boy Listen, I had you cuz I wouldn't seem silk right after. Yeah, I didn't know I was going to see this man Yeah, but I said man. I remember we were talking about the let me get that pull that back in there You see the clip now, I didn't see it I didn't see it Man you we was pretty much like, you know, he had he had his moments To give me flowers man. He did what he did and Jay-Z. He told me Jay-Z gave him that verse for free, too That's dope the one but How is it though working with people and seeing the way that people charge each other I know the road just was on here and he also said he's never paid for a feature with anyone He just if he did if he needed it, he asked what even with P. Did he P. Did he never charged him for that that remix? Get big. He'd say nobody's ever charged them for a feature Is it the work ethic? You believe that they have to push up and then get that feature or should they buy into it or what's the hustle? I mean, it really ain't a hustle. It's about being hot. If you're hot, then you know, you get favorable, but if you're not Didn't price turn into a price tag, you know, I'm saying yeah, that's just what it is Really, it's like a major artist to see a person that's hiding their region Of course, they're not gonna charge me. They don't want that support so they can build a fan base even more stronger Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what it's really about and it's crazy because you see all these things like I said silk Say J never charge. I'm pretty sure it's a lot of stories out there where people was like dang He jumped on this from Pharrell to any of those guys when somebody's hot They just come in the city. Yeah, and they do it like a trade off. Exactly pretty much. That's what it is But when you cool off You know get there get the same load. Oh, dude. What about people who be I've seen this too And I only been in this a little while. I've seen people. I've heard of things like this Artists is hot Next thing you know They're not hot no more But then the person that was when they was hot the other person had reached out to him and now that they coming down off They're hotness that person like I'm cool. Yeah, you get you get excluded after that roller-decks That's what it is, you know, so it's like Artists need to pay attention. It's nothing personal. Some people take it personal But really when you look at Chris Brown Other people like that usher, you know, they use and they see the markets and they play the market You know, I mean Chris Brown grabs everybody that's hiding Dallas and he's either gonna do a show with him Or they own the tool and playing the market. He's gonna play the market continuously Drake is real Precisely about that too. Yeah, so you got to really pay attention to the market in order to keep your longevity And a lot of people don't understand that dynamic of the game. That's real relationships Yeah, so if you meet a person because I've learned in podcasting, right? I Like organic like me in your relationship. I pick up the phone call you. I know it's genuine. It's nothing. No strings attached We just cool. We met up like this just some brothers who understand. Hey man, okay Yeah, you did okay, and you give me a shot. I give you a shot and give each other shot at friendship Yeah, and relationship building and it's important. How important is it to go in the right way? It's very important because if you don't go in the right way, then it don't last That's right. You know, I've had arguments with some of the artists that I'm extremely close with and I shared With them that if this relationship that you have is not organic. It's only monetary so if you fail or you don't meet that marker then When it's all over and the dust settles the phone numbers are going to change the access is going to change There's not going to be no less going to studio and vibe. None of that You know me because you're not an asset to them anymore So you have to be real careful how you form relationships and how you render yourself to people Expecting them to render themselves the same way you're doing that. It's not gonna work that way. Wow Yeah I was waiting on it No, I wanted to ask you because the last time when you were on the show you were talking about the release You hadn't put out your instrumental album at that time yet, but I know it's out now How is it going? It's going really good and I guess I could just say this on My idea with that I wanted to put it out to see how we're doing it's doing good So now I'm going to disclose that my idea For these instrumental albums is to give people a chance to rap with my music So if you want to rap on those tracks, all you have to do is go to iTunes and pay for the track It's gonna be a dollar ninety nine pay for it Show proof of payment and you can use the tray. It's not exclusive. That's and that's all you have to do Wow, I'm gonna be doing this doing two albums a month. So it'd be oh, that's dope It'd be like 20 tracks a month People get to pick from and go to iTunes and if they want to put a record out with one of the tracks They can do it. That's cool. I like that idea. Yeah, well, you know, you you gotta understand man You you you don't understand how God is using you sometimes when you you gotta be in the spirit to understand And I don't know, you know, a lot of people trip off me come real spiritual. I love God I don't try to hide it. You got to take something me like that. You can call me a hypocrite later I don't care, but I'm gonna show that I've never denied me in front of nobody, you know what I mean And you grew up young dealing with you know Understanding the path that your parents and everybody was on my mind had he you know You've seen these people that really meant a lot to you really, you know Loving and living life for God, you know, I mean, and I look at you and I thank God for you because I look at you And you went through the loo, you know, nipsy hustle He passed away you recording with him when he passes away Pym see the same thing You had an opportunity to work with him and I'm probably missing somebody. I don't even know big hope big He was I was the last person to be a student with him before he passed away Wow, you know saying like he left my studio and I know I didn't work in it for months He left that night and hours later. He was dead man. I didn't even know that so how was big hog as a person I never had never brought him up on the show. This would be the first time I really just brought him up and talked about him like I listen to Was it I'm chilling with my brother and you already know that you know, I'm Texas So I'm gonna know the song. Yeah, but how was he as a person in that studio a real Cool dude, man. He was like a big teddy bear really. Yeah, the general giant real cool fellow, bro Genuine everything he said his conversations were all always genuine. So so he was fat pads brother. Yeah, and so When you when you would deal with him He was he wasn't he wasn't in no street None of that because I'm hearing that they mistaked him for somebody now when I was dealing with him Man the man left my house and because he was like look I got it it's time for me to get I got to get out of here because I got to you know Give my kids a bath and getting ready for bed. He was that type of dude, man So, you know, like nah, he wouldn't like that. So You hear that late hours later that he gets, you know, like I said, I heard it was a mistake Somebody they thought it was somebody else or something like that's what I heard through the great mind But anyway You once you hear it. What do you what are your thoughts? I didn't believe it. I called his phone a million times Yeah, I just didn't want to believe it. You know I'm saying so it was It's crazy when you have a person that we our last conversation was like man, I'm so happy if we're working together I was like me too, man, we're gonna do some big things yada yada yada We hugged each other and you know depth each other up and you know, I'm thinking okay tomorrow I'm gonna see you tomorrow and we're gonna go back to work and it never happened. Wow and here's a reason to ask you that leading up to that question about a Big Hawk or Pimp C or Nipsey is because There's younger guys now That are producing That are facing some of the same issues. I just did What's it heart beats the other night and he lost JD young. Yeah, you know, I mean after he was working with him Could it be that God sometimes let you go through these things? Because other people that you may know may go through some things that you already have done dealt with and you'll be able to give them some Encouraging words. I think it can be that way, but you know, we live in a And in a in a in a world where we have The freedom to make our decisions correct So, you know God does have an intervention in some of the things that we do But some of the a lot of the things that we go through are because of the decisions that we made correct I agree with that. I agree like It's just a tough situation all the way because I don't think that people really realize when you're working with a person in the music industry Especially if you coming from the bottom together. That's a family So when you lose that person You're not only losing a family member, but all of the work and everything that you've been putting in has been Destroyed, you know, I mean and sometimes the media family don't understand that part When a person like a rap group member loses their member It's they're devastated. It's a lot of things that's going on a lot of different dynamics So I think that um, it's it's awful situation to be in man when I when I when nip got killed it was It was awful it hurt. I didn't really get to grieve The way I wanted to I didn't get to say goodbye to him the way I wanted to all of these things got I didn't have access to him because I didn't have we didn't have the same blood, but that's my nephew Yeah, yeah, and I don't think a lot of people understand the hardship that you go through When you don't get the proper closure from people like that and then too if you're doing work with them and you trying to finish things and you getting Interference because people don't understand why you really doing what you're doing, you know Everybody gets into the money grab thing or all I want you doing is don't do that Where the family don't you know me, but it's it's a family outside of the blinds. Mm-hmm You know, can you blame them sometimes because you know in and you should know this being an intimate business You have a lot of people who under false pretends that make it harder for the ones who really have a true heart That want to do it out But that's what you have to do to do diligence enough to figure out who they are the thing I was asking was like And and I can't answer my own question like with you going through it and It does help the other people the reason I say it helps that you've already been through just like when I interviewed hard beats I brought your name up now that I think about it And I was like cuz sometimes it's hard dealing with certain situations after the person's past on or I might have just brought The situation up because of what mean you discussed about just sometime how Confrontationally can be trying to get projects processed after that and I asked him And I was like how tough was it and he say he just deal with the record label and you remember me talking to him about that So it was basically trying to understand how difficult it's being for him to get projects processed When they have so much music in his database because he worked with him and mostly only him. Yeah, I mean, it's you definitely Have an experience of it is you know, I mean it's something that you really Can build from you know, I've met there were so many times I understand it now, you know, I mean and I talked to people about it all the time That's why I wrote a book Because I wanted people to understand the dynamics of what you're doing talking give him the business Mm-hmm is you got to get them give me this if you don't do business with a person along with being a family member Whatever it is that you're doing and having love for a person and something happened to them And you've invested money into a project or time or whatever it is And you don't have the proper paperwork to cover yourself to protect you You're gonna lose As you talk about a book How long has the book been out now? It's been out since March. How has it been going? I've sold right at about 1800 copies Oh, that's that's good. I'm self-published. So, you know, I mean, I'm really pleased with that. Okay. That's awesome So when it's the next one coming out, you know, we always have another one called no spotlight It's in the stage of getting getting ready to be printed out. What's that about? It's about my personal Travels through the music business and the things that I had to go through and being behind the scenes and all of that And why the name no spotlight because I feel like I've never been in the spotlight I've been I'm this guy that has being as a record sold on his name But I've never been in spotlight, but at the same time I posted something on my threads the other day I said, do you prefer to have fame or wealth? Well, and everybody say well, but at the same time the question was in the entertainment industry is it possible to have one without the other and In my mind, let me answer that question on my perspective and you tell me what you think my perspective of that is the only way to have wealth without the fame is in Certain fields within entertainment like what you have. Yes, you understand what I mean? Because you can get the wealth doing what you do But like you say you're not no spotlight and sometimes you might feel like you want a spotlight because you want a recognition You want to shine but with that come other things that you might not want to write you see what I mean. Mm-hmm, so What is your point of view on that? I don't want to spotlight I Think me not having a spotlight as has nourished my career to keep it where I can continue to reinvent myself and Be fresh to everybody because people looking me like oh, that's Mr. Lee That's the guy that did this man. You raised me on your music. Oh my god Just you know because they don't see me all the time But it's only a few know that if they do the research because when growing up listening to music I'm listening to music. I'm hearing the artist. I'm seeing the artist I don't really care about who made a beat unless or anything else behind the scene All I care about is music. Yeah, you understand which I would think majority of people like that unless you just into the music You're like, oh, that's a dope beat. That's a dope. Let me see who made that. Right. You know what I mean? So it's weird that way, you know, I found out the wrong way I was I'm when I posted my instrument I'm on YouTube and I was doing some decent numbers like a couple hundred here a couple hundred there That's what I normally do. So I started video recording my golf games and I started doing shorts on them and the first time I posted one It was like 5,000 views. Yeah, cuz people love golf. I Told my wife, I said, that's some bullshit. She's like Man, I post my album on here and I got probably about two or three thousand on all of the tracks combined and I post a 10 second clip of me dropping a ball in the putt and I got 5,000 views. Yeah. Yeah And that's cause shorts driven too. Yeah, that's it. Well, I did shorts short with the music I didn't I don't been there long So how many more did you drop after that? You've been getting the views music with the golfers. Yeah, put the music behind it. I started doing that When I first did it it was like there's like no It didn't do anything and I went back to just raw video 2003 thousand seven thousand. I'm like, what? Okay, so the raw video is better than the ones with the music behind it. Wow I think I think it works a little different for everybody Yeah, you gotta find out what you what works for you know, what I think I think the golf it Touches so much more of a wider audience whereas Multicultural because somebody who played golf might not like that type of music and so forth what you know what I mean But they're very interested in what you have to say about golf or techniques or you know, whatever I haven't even started talking on the videos yet. It's just me hitting the drive Yeah, I ain't even started talking on getting them still as you talking about golf. Um, you've been playing golf. How long I? been playing it seriously for about five years five years and We're doing that you've improved a lot a whole lot But what is your weakness? My weakness is I have not had a complete game to where I can hit all of my clubs together Either I'm gonna have a good day with my driver or bad day with my irons or sometimes my long irons don't be good So it's prohibiting me from pouring the court I went from a hundred average in a hundred maybe 110 in my scoring to now Low 90s to mid 80s. I'm like I'm shooting like an average of 84 right now Sorry, hold on in but in Dallas because you play a lot And you come across a lot of different golfers in Dallas Who would you say is the best male that you've had to play and not even just had to play but Even if you've seen them I haven't seen them yet. No seen them play or play also. You're the best This is when it comes to me that you know, I've played with some people that they beat me I played with some older people that beat me. I learned from it, but When I look at like entertainers around Khaled so like that I can I can I can get with Khaled on the golf bag Let me ask you this because I'm not worried about Khaled. I Seen you when you first came in there you you said that you you you be taking Brad Jordan to to the to the Whatever can he play better than you or yes indeed. So you can't beat him. That's my sense. Not yet I'm gonna put it on video brand I thought you better give him a challenge I really was the person that inspired me to learn how to play the game the right way really the right way the right way So he took me out. He took me to a golf course and he saw my swing. We were playing a game He stopped the game and took me to the range really told me look man You need to pull your club back this way stop doing this I was doing a whole bunch of improper things and he told me he's like dude The worst thing that you can ever do and anything that you're doing is is to do it and not learn how to do it So when you self-teaching yourself some things some people good at it again Hold on sit it again. I like that quote sit it again When you try to when you're doing something it's best to learn what you're doing before you try to start doing it Yeah, you know I mean I agree with that He explained that to me and that's the reason that my golf game is so much better than it used to be and that's why I said I'm seriously playing it for five years because he made me Learned how to to to play the game the right way And then I learned from this guy on YouTube named Paul Wilson. That's a has the body swing Mm-hmm. He's a like a YouTube mentor for me So I that that's that who that's who learn really taught me to learn How to feel things and everything stuff like that So, you know, it's golfing is like something that you have to continue to study every day You have to practice all the time isn't he hitting 60s and 61 and 62 Brad I ain't seen him do but I'm not I'm I wouldn't doubt that he can I mean the dude had a whole special done on him by the Calloway Calloway sponsoring them get made custom clubs for him What's his weakness? I See, I ain't really seen it. I hear Tony Romo Though but Cowboys quarterback X what they say he could play that he they say good and go. Yeah, I'm sure he is Steve Curry is too. Oh, yeah, it's golf like the game that like everybody like it seems like every sportsman No matter what career you're in like all the basketballers all the footballers everybody always end up going to golf as a What should I say a relaxation sport? Yeah? Why is that so because it make you think when you get on the golf course everything else is It's out of your mind That's like a like a like fishing like a athletic chess game hmm, but how Much does it take out of your body to do this sport? Is it very tiring? Yes Because all you you walk in the course are most of them be riding But you swing and you swing in at least Three to four times or more so the average hold her whole per whole your average hold you're gonna do about four to five swings Mm-hmm, if you're average, so you do that times 18 Mm-hmm It's a lot you calling your body back you swinging what time do you start and what time? Yeah, that's about to say either. I'm gonna go early in the morning like at 6 30 I'm gonna do a 5 30 tea time and play in the evening when the Sun is kind of going Do anybody be out there crazy enough to be out there during the midday in the hot It'd be a hundred degree weather you tell me you be out there. I love it that much. I'll be out there You're crazy. That's right. I was out there two days ago at the range and it was like one oh six And I almost died out there, but I bet every ball I'm gonna take you back to the music a little bit Tupac mm-hmm. I never asked you about producing for Tupac So what did you produce for Tupac? I did a song called black Jesus. Okay, and It's a weird story about that record. I went to LA to do it and at that time You know, they had the rails and what no pro tools and all that kind of shit. So Man, I get there and I'm waiting on them to bring the rails the security to bring the rails in So I'm just making a beat on a Kurzweil keyboard And I'm just making the beat and I made the beat finish it up and then it came So I went into the control room with the keyboard hooked it up and they brought the stuff into the guy sink they are vocals up on the board and all of that and The beat that I made Linked up and locked up to that song Perfectly, I had the vocals like you know freak me out. Wow The key the speed everything was perfect. Has that ever happened to you before and even since then has not I've never had That's it freaked me out. Everybody was freaked out. It's like man. What is going on here? It's predestined. So You got to work with him with that after he passed it after he passed away. So you think well, you know Hey, you never know what caused that Rear Oh, yeah, I did, you know, he might have been over your shoulder. Yeah, it was a special moment special moment, man so How you talked about getting your your paperwork right on on just on just when you're working with artists man like Break it down to me like what's a fair exchange is half for the Publishing hat. I mean have for the producer. How does that world work, man? I mean everybody works like any other word. It's it's the negotiation So it's like you don't have to go with half of nothing You know how to do any of that you negotiate a price of a person agrees to it then that's the turn Can I buy a beat straight off from you? Like I don't want you to be attached to a no more I don't want you to call me no more when I buy this beat This is what you getting and don't and this is why I'm gonna have to have a paperwork to say it to Yeah, you can do it and ain't nothing you can do about it and it can blow up and do like yeah Do you know anybody that had this issue both of us are old the OT Genesis? Yeah, he had a guy I think the guy had a sold him a track the track that he had hit on for like 250 500 which one I forgot Was that I'm in love with go go was one of them one of them big boys bro And then he sold all the rights and that's that's all he got and that song blew up So so let me go for the half of tea. He got all the rights to the right there. He on the whole thing So how are they would it be for me to get you to give me a beat straight up real hard Really Started at like 50. I'm gonna have to have 50 didn't even talk to you by getting started 50 cuz you know it can go crazy Yeah You can't take it You can't take it for granted. You know me. I look at making tracks in my old days like stop Yeah, it could be a penny stock or whatever it is, but if I continue to do this do it multiple times all of that end up Compiling to a big chunk of money So I'm just not gonna just give you the right. So I don't care if you sell two copies. I want my portion of that What's the most expensive you ever heard of anybody charging for a beat? millions Millions on where you are. I think the highest I ever charged was like 60 60 Millions from who like for real I've heard that he's charged person 1.5 before and they paid it. Yeah Yeah, wow after all the work you did with rap a lot during that whole stage. I Know you in Scarface steel rock you and Jay Prince all y'all still like yeah If you see him, it's like everything love because these are unheard of situations with because you hear people say Man, most of the people when they get through with a situation a lot of them Don't ever go back and talk to certain people they break up. It's just a big, you know who blah You know, I'm telling the truth. Yeah, like how do you how did you guys figure it out? I mean rap a lot raised me in the game. You know big chief is like my Industry dad. That's that's why that's how I look at it. You know I'm saying when you got genuine love for a person I don't care what you go through through with them. What type of disagreements you have if it's real Then you internally work through that and you keep that friendship and that bond again Mm-hmm, and that's what I have a rep a lot everybody rep a lot You know, I mean I got love for them They got love for me and it's just been that way and it's gonna stay that way forever You know me just when you have genuine people like that. That's just that just how it is I wouldn't be who I am without rep a lot without Jay Prince without big chief I wouldn't be where I'm at and I always remember that I don't care if I don't talk to him every day or whatever it is That's the fact Wow How much does it like when you think about the young dudes that come over here or either like when he's Leo's on here And they see you and they be just like man, they they respect you so much I talked to be done and G luck same thing man. They told me about that that beat that you done on that Hey behind 5% 10. Yeah, they was a they said they had that one in the bag. Yeah, they thought they did Because what's the door what slim brother name Ray face Ray face brought he's a man y'all, you know, I'm saying Miss Lee just was born here. He said they heard it in that other room man. They say they knew they didn't have it no more. Yeah That's crazy. I got a lot of love for them. I watched them boys Become man, you know, I mean in the industry and doing what they're doing. I'm so proud of yeah That's funny because they had this same way about you. They respect you the utmost He's the old G man. He really he really really, you know, we learned a lot from him just by watching him It's what they kind of how they explained it to me And I think that's noble for them to even be because I tell people all the time Mr. Lee like you can tell somebody everything you want to tell them But the way you walk in front of them is so much more powerful. Oh, yeah, we're out of that Yeah, yeah So I think that that that houston sound man when you look at the phases of it You caused a lot of that man Yeah, I mean, you know not to be on the cocky side, but I you know, I'm pretty much the sound of that It's a lot of people that had Had something to do with it and they put the amp in it But when you talking about the chunk of history and houston music You know You can't can't you can't walk around me with that, you know, I mean some may disagree But all I got to tell him is like pull it pull them discographies up and let's go run through them and see You don't say what it is. Let's look at the sound. Let's look at how How the trend spread who's trend spread it, you know, I mean, let's look at all of that my sound is been Influential all over the world not just in united states everywhere It had to be impressive for you to see the other guys that came behind you though like the dj chose is the beat kings All these different guys that that that they look at what you're doing the g-lux and be done Like but which one really like you tripped out the most when you heard them when you heard them You heard they sound come out of houston and you was like, man Which beat which beat maker? Honestly, I would have to say like sci-fi. Okay. Okay because he He's quiet. You know what I'm saying? Okay, but he has a crazy sound and he has a powerful Hold with his sound really but he's kind of like me a lot of people don't really Know who he is like that Yeah, his music and his accolades Scream for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you go hear him. Yeah, you go hear him all day all day long. Yes, sir. So I talked to dj chose I talked to uh Was heart beats the other day Were there ever moments like these guys explained to me about being in the studio and there being artists that Are in the in the streets heavy And now you got to come in and work with them and you you're working with them and you don't know If it's safe a safe environment to be working at the time that it's going down I ain't never run into these guys. It's going through that a lot now I mean if I don't feel safe I ain't showing up Well, when I say they don't feel safe because because he say he felt like I mean harby say he was cool with it But Chose of actually with the fredo. I think it was fredo bang when it like he's like man It was it's you know, you feel the funny feeling like you know, you don't know because it'd be a lot going on The closest person I kind of had that in kind of with was kevin gaes We I'm gonna say that kevin gaes is like kevin gaes is a real Blunt person. Okay. Okay. He's the most loving guy there is but he's gonna tell you Exactly what he was on his mind, but that's good So he'd be like it was a guy Recording them or whatever and he was like man cut that computer off man. I'm in it cut that camera off man I'm in it trying to get this rush together for this this dude, man, and you Recording and doing all this cut it off He just he wanted to be a certain way and he's gonna make show he man. He just let it let it hang right then He didn't sugarcoated at all dude. He's just like straight into it. I cut that shit off man I'm trying to do this verse for this dude and focus on this to give him the best quality I can give him you got the goddamn camera on cut it off So he didn't like the camera be like it on so and he just gonna tell you whatever he told him And so if he don't like a beat or that he was cool with your beats Yeah, but if it's something he don't like, you know, he would have told you Oh, yeah, Louisiana people blunt like that. Birdman was like that I love Birdman was like that when I first got in the studio with Birdman And Manny and all of them I had a beat going we was doing the realest niggas down south compilation rapper life So I had worked on a beat before they got there Wayne everybody came And they got in that studio and I didn't be playing it was going crazy. Oh, man, man, man And then after I cut it off Birdman was like man that beat jamming jamming man, but we got our own people We're rapping on our own people shit. We ain't rapping on that So you blunt when he had just gave me one of his CDs I went in the next room and threw that shit in the tray You were mad I was hot He got that shit because you called because it's tough, man When you come at when you're working on some because it was supposed to be something y'all worked on together I was hot, but he pulled me to the side afterwards And he was like, look, man, I'm not I don't want to come off like I don't want to fuck with you or nothing like that. I just got to look after my people first Correct. He said there ain't no disrespect to you or none of that And when he we talked about it, I understood what he was so what was it just a loyalty factor Like he loyal to the people that he rocking with the loyalty factor And also putting his people in position to get paid off of everything that they were oh, yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know some people a lot of artists make the mistakes of getting into situations and then They run off and they they plant all of their money In hands that are not going to cultivate it back to them. That's real And I hope whoever watches this video understand what I'm telling you stop Hitting in deals and taking your money to people that's not going to cultivate it back into you. That's real when you look at Manifresh all that work he did with With the burden money cash money He's he's reaping benefits from that because he he has so much published in this catalog is so big He's getting paid off of wait a minute Well, wait a minute just because because you hear all of these bad stories about birdman I'm a big birdman fan, bro But you hear these bad stories, right? Like he paid this and he paid that one Is it him or is it because if it's publishing like you just said and you know your business You're gonna go into it in a way to where you're not gonna accept anything. I'm all right I mean the easiest thing to do is to blame somebody else You can't I ain't gonna never say he'll say birdman. They do no bad business. I don't know what he done Yeah, but I do know That you can Be naive and sign paperwork That will put you in a position not to monetize the way you should okay Okay, but then everybody likes to use the internet To blame the other person and paint this picture that this person missed over you But if you signed and agreed To give a person you're published on you signed to agree to not get any money to all of the money that was spent on You's been recouped or whatever the situation is you made that decision and you agreed with those terms So it's it's really naive on both sides It's naive to get in the business is not understand what you're doing and it's naive to complain about something that you committed to That's real That's so real. I I think like I said When you think about it you say he came in to the studio And he knew it's really like knowing the hustle. I'm a hustler Yeah, so I'm looking like he knew the hustle Yeah, he knew when he came in what the business was and that's what made him say what he said to you exactly You got to know the so you respected him more for knowing the business at the end But in the moment I was high I was like this In the moment you was like No, man, I was high bro, but he taught me something, you know, I mean I learned a lot from j prince too j prince is another person that Sometimes get a bad rep and a rap about what he's doing his business You know j could be friends with you, but when it's time to do business That other hat coming off and the other one coming on And it's going to be business And it's up to you to understand the business To get what you want out of it too And I was able to learn that from him and that's why I am One of the most successful people to come out of rap a lot because I understand what I was doing and what I wanted and what I was giving away what I was receiving I understood that you know saying so I learned all of that watching them, but a lot of you old man Jay missed on me. He did this. He did that. Oh, no, man. Oh, man. This and that happened, but If you sign them contracts and you agree to them terms and if a person has a check right here and they say They go to practice. They've been to say look, I got a check right here It goes as a contract you can get this check today right now this second I get to sign this contract you Being mr. Smart guy you get the contract and read it yourself For 15 seconds say, okay, it's good sign it and grab that check you did that Damn, right you did But the smart thing to do is say look, let me get an attorney. I'll get back to you Let me read over this make sure the terms of what I'm looking for And I come back and sign it and we can do the business That's how it's supposed to be. Well, let me ask you this and you well when I talk to bird man and and He say it's funny. You say that because he he said that's how he learned the game from watching jay prince From watching, uh, even master p. He even gave him kudos And I just that was like a couple of weeks ago So I'm I'm like I could see how you could say that because you really just saying what he said and And a roundabout way to be honest with you that he basically knew to be and did you say in jay when he put that hat on Jay prince ain't he gonna know what he got going and he ain't trying to hear nothing else But what do you what do you feel business should be exactly and if you can't play you're not smart enough to negotiate And learn the art of negotiating then you're gonna lose you're gonna lose the edge You can't be mad when you get edge away though. That's real somebody making you give it away. So After you had worked with jay prince working with slim thug them next right for all those all the times You guys did what you done. How much did you take from the rap a lot situation into the the What was the name of the what what they called it? I know it's boss. All but Outlaws, but that's what they called it. So I got like how much did you take into that whole relationship? I knew the importance of ownership Okay, I knew the importance of making sure I had my publishing And investing in my time and efforts and the things and positioning myself to get paid How did you convey that information over to? Ray face or say Slim me. I just when it's time to do business. We did business. You see what I'm saying like it was never it was never a point in time where Me and Ray face dealing most most of the business was never A point in time where Ray face would tell me man. Come on man. We family man. Let me get this for this He didn't he never jude me down. Okay, you know, but he already knew that when I came in At the time when I was working with slim I was getting 25,000 a track. Okay I was charging a 500 Wow, so you showed me so my interest in my position to invest my time in my career Into him I let him know by those prices that I wanted to do it. Wow, but when the when the deal came You know, I mean my prices went from the 500 to the 10,000. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So I I still gave him a break, but you know, I mean was getting like 10 tracks At 10,000 dollars a piece so When the rewards came everybody read for him, you know, I'm not gonna say that it was easy and it was just super smooth because it wasn't You know, I mean, but You know when you go through those things you have to those challenges come up When you think about the leadership the j princes the j z's the bird man's the Hey, it's a bunch of it's it's the puffs pd pd When you look at it from an outside standing in or outside looking in do you Look at them all like when you look at how they treated the individuals in the situations that they was in Do they they kind of mirror each other bro to me? Yeah, they do it ain't like it's no big difference No, not really you understand what I'm saying because you're looking at a label You're looking at a position and you're looking at people that's coming into a position. Yeah Because all of them started young I keep telling people that All of them started young when you look at a young person starting off trying to understand they're learning too I don't care how you look at the masterpiece. They learning too at priority. They learned everybody's learning And that's the part where I give everybody slack, you know, like, yeah, everybody was learning, bro You got to continue to learn. I mean the problem is People have have the the the turkey thrown out the back of the truck mentality They don't want to know how to go get the turkey. They want you to throw the turkey to them. So when you start when you don't throw the turkey Then you develop And that's why a lot of these relationships end and they don't flourish the way they should because When it's time to get into a corporate mindset A lot of people don't want that they want the personal mindset They want the fish in the bucket not to the pole and the bait to go get their own fish And also when when those things collide then you can get all of these stories about Man, give me my publishing bag. You took this from me. You did this to me, but you signed that paperwork though Yeah, I I knew when I was at the height of my career and it was a major artist I'm not going to say the name because I don't put nobody business out But I was working on Scarface working. It was another big huge artist working in the same studio with us and I befriended the producers And at that time I was making like a hundred thousand dollars a project at rep with rapper life And at that time too people like oh rapper, I don't pay you they don't do this Whatever you say. I'm getting my money And I had a conversation with these producers that were working on projects that were 100 times bigger than mine And they were making $40,000 a year Wow And a big label that had a big light on them, you know what I mean? But it just goes to show you about that business. Yeah, and what you are agreeing to Yeah, they agreed to do $40,000 a year But then when you run into a person like me It's a bad situation You know me because you're looking at it like man, I'm getting messed over. No You chose the real Simple agreement you and you you know me you chose to work underneath those terms Yeah, and and and that's something that It's something that you got to understand the business is business. They go right back to that. Yeah business is business. Um, like When you look at just like I told somebody this the other day and they didn't they didn't really want to ride with it, but I said, you know When you look at the south I don't have people to call me and they say I'm for the move to the south But I got my situation set up. I had this really to happen. I got my situation set up I got some rigors. I got some blah blah blah blah. I got something with everybody Why I got all I need I just want to be with the right people to get the right look And only person that I could tell them in the south Newer was car crop 1501. Yeah, I'm being real. That's the only thing that people look at as a label in the south Yeah, am I am I offset in texas in texas because they were moving to texas I was on it. Oh, yeah I mean, I don't really know about this, but there ain't nothing that I could show you this gonna pro now if you got pro now when you go and make the business deal They ain't gonna do it. No, you gotta have your ducks in a row. Yeah to say this is what you're gonna do But as far as the south When it come down to the area if you come into Dallas, Houston, san Antonio, uh, wherever austin It's gonna be 1501 unless you know something. I don't know. No, I mean they're at the top of the chain right now So, I know ain't no I don't see anything else. That's what I said. Why is that? Because people don't want to invest that money call got enough money to take risk the evenings is Amazon flopping they moving out the way Wow, sometimes some artists might get beat up because I'm playing But I got a question real quick. Um, tell me about developing stages They really don't have development stages anymore for me I like to to develop an artist and to cultivate they sound and find a sound for them Now it's like oh, this is hot. This sounds good. They rush and throw it out there That's why the life of a rapper is short. I was really talking about weren't you doing a film? Yeah, oh develop my film. I'm yeah, because is that what it's called developing stages Yeah, I'm in development stages of a tv series or tv series. Okay. I thought that's what it was called Yeah, what is it called? It's called right now. We're in between 45 south or pwa So we're trying to figure out what the name is going to be But it's uh based on my life story. It's about a young producer that was on the run And you know going to jail and having the adversity that he's facing So it's going to be pretty because I saw the jail cell the bars I'm so ecstatic about this because you were touched by that scene. I was I really was Who's playing you? It's taego taego that was here. They did it really really he's playing me. That's all You liked him shout out to young taego. You picked him. Yeah, how was his acting skills though? He worked on him. He's actually good now. Really? I mean I really believed in him And I didn't once I met him I didn't want anybody else to play me because he had the same realities I remember you said that and it looked like my son, you know, yeah, yeah, not to sound crazy But he looked like my kid So I'm like Man, this got to be God said for me Did he have to do any classes? Did you say we had some coaching and different things like that and he got out of his shell And he is phenomenal and who's filming it right now. I got one solid spending it I'm in talks with uh boomtown About doing the uh sizzle reel and stuff like that. So I'm probably gonna team them both together We have some actors coming in from ncis Oh, wow. I'm trying to get Bentley green if you watch this I need you Why him because he he has good acting chops He's been in snowfall and been a couple of movies that I watched that I liked Okay, there's a very good actor So you're gonna be filming in all the different places you want because you you weren't only in texas you you traveled around So you're gonna go there and film we're gonna do the set for the for the sizzle reel And once we get the budget, we probably start traveling out to louisiana and doing stuff How long you think it's gonna take for you before you finish this? I mean hopefully by the end of the year We can have a budget and start filming by the beginning of 24 So you just now starting everything? Wow, you really just got on on the camera to see what he looked like and Okay, doing test shots and stuff like that. Okay. Yeah, because when I saw it on your on your page I was like he never mentioned none about this Like what's this? What are you? You always going you always drifting off you're never in this this box. No, I refuse to be in that You know, you got to have different avenues of making money and different legacies to pass There's only one then you jeopardizing it being a narrow Situation, you know, I mean a lot I do a lot of things that people don't know I do I want to ask you like if I wanted to Use one of your beats You back And get it clear to say like if it's a sample or something. How would I do that? I gotta call you I got your number so I can call you don't have to call me But I mean if it's you then I ain't gonna But I'm just saying I want to know how the process would be you have to call me or If if the way that most of my contracts are set up producers you better listen The master is owned by the record labels. Okay, so In my contracts, I own my composition which which is the music by itself And the reason I do that is a person if a person want to sample my beat not the lyrics of the beat that's on the beat I'm gonna they're gonna come to me and I can clear it because I own the music by itself Okay, so they don't have to pay these big prices on masters That's owned by record label. I like that you made that deal with with your um Which label right? I like that deal because then a lot of people it's everything They have to deal with because what people don't understand is when a person Sample my track off a master and the regular label on it I'm gonna I might have to sign off on it for my publishing piece parts of that song They're gonna go through them to the regular labels gonna Sign off on the master use and when they sign off on that master There's funds coming with it. So when drake them use your beat. They just holler at you I'm just thinking about that's why I brought when drake used my beat I had to sign off and agree to the terms for the publishing Rap a lot had approved the use of the master and if they got fees for the master It was straight to them because it had your word the words in there But if he was just using if it wasn't the lyrics and it was just the beat then you wouldn't have to do a rap a lot You don't have to do with you when I did that record. I didn't know anything about the composition. So they owned that too So I didn't have no Negotiated your your terms and knowing what you're doing. Yeah, you know what I'm saying So now I know that so I look like okay. This track by itself is mine Composition is all mine your master do it if you want to do it But when it comes to this That's me But just for drake to use it anyways. Yeah, I mean What you gonna say the publishing payments are astronomical. So that's right But nowadays people are now especially because everybody's trying to fight for their master's back Is a case where when um up and coming artists looking at the sign and record deals They're like should they give their masters up or should they fight for their masters in a contract to be like Man, I ain't gonna give that up. We're gonna have to work some other deal It just depends on where their position is You know if you got and how much they need if you got a strong position and you were high Then you have a lot of leeway to negotiate And it depends on the lawyer that you have to you know representation is important, but the right representation I put that in my book too. You can have a lawyer and the lawyer can negotiate a deal for you and it'd be bad That's real. So Only something that has no value At the beginning you kind of have to look at that and understand what you want to do My take on it. It would be look you can own the masters after this certain amount of years The ownership right back to me. Yeah, and if you don't want to agree to that then I'll just Stay where I'm at. I'm gonna ask you this gonna be our last question. Okay. Um Nipsey hustle if he'd live to now, of course that's hypothetical. Um What do you think his career would would have went it would have been huge You know, it would have been huge Because he started to he was starting to build his momentum as an artist You know, he's already big as a person correct Give back to his hood and people and putting people in situations to learn That was his purpose But he was gonna he was starting to turn back into the music How did he get a hold to you? He uh, did little kiki's uh It was a record called gotta be a g. I produced a kiki. He did a mixtape You produce gotta be a g with bird man on there with him. Yeah, I'm in the video But you know I interviewed I acted a fool about this song man. Thank you for that I produced that so that's how I met him And so once you met him, how did y'all talk about how y'all was gonna work together? We didn't you know near our belly even seen it when we was in new york We stayed in the condo together that man that man would come in at three or four o'clock in the morning And then we're getting the studio. He'd been the studio for Five or ten minutes and then he would leave so I did the blue laces record did the beat and all of that And uh, I didn't hear nothing three months after we left He recorded it and that's when we we started contacting each other. We we were tight ever since wow That's crazy because you never would have thought being from texas and him way in l. A that that gotta be god Ain't no way that could come together like that. That's just how my music career has been all this time Well, it's so crazy because you said how um nipsey with music But then when I I don't know a lot about music, but when I think about nipsey I think and I saw him before you know his passing and stuff like that is the fact that He was venturing off into more of that humanitarian type of you know venture And almost like he was drifting away from the music. That was his purpose at the beginning Wow, you gotta ask this same question about pimp, you know, I'm pimp c number one fan in the world like like Like I rock with his music I I was looking the other day because I before boss talk you really want to know somebody if they're a fan You can go down. I never raised nothing off instagram. Yeah, you can go down before boss talk two five years ago You're gonna see me jamming that pimp, you know talking that talk But I just just where it was and and you I realized I met easy in the parking lot when he was when pimp first died Yeah, so if I wasn't doing nothing that it was you that's how long ago they were Yes, a long time and I wouldn't sell the shirts because he was selling he was selling He wasn't selling sure he was selling he would give him selling CDs. I bought a cd from him and it was like I was talking about them shirts. I was like some shirts with pimp name on it and I was like If pimp name on this shirt, I mean they getting the proceeds from it. I just thinking like that way back then I didn't want to have some in my store that he wasn't getting paid and compensated for So I was like big on that and it's funny how things come full circle He knows that but other people wouldn't even realize that. Yeah, you think about that for a second. Oh, yeah It's just being 100. Yeah, so so but but I'm just a fan, you know, I never met him But what do you think his career would be? This is my last question Man if pimp was alive The whole infrastructure of Texas music would have shifted a different way Why because because he he you people use the word gatekeeper real loose He's a gatekeeper Wow, he's a person that's going to tell you exactly what he feel how he feeling it and why he feeling it He's going to tell you your face Wow And I and and that's something I love about him just the fact that he was straight up Down wasn't going to be no i'ma let you know right there. You ain't got to think about it when you leave You know what I feel that's that Kevin Gates Yeah It take a real person a real special person to be able to Do those type of things, you know, a lot of people don't don't don't love enough to tell you Blunt how they feel about things. That's real. That's when you really know a person genuine and they really care about you when they can Put something that's very uncomfortable in your face. Wow. Mr. Lee. How can people get hold of you? They trying to reach out? Instagram is missily 713 twitter missily 713 threads Threads is going down And get on my youtube missily on the track make sure you follow that you what you think about the threads I like it. It's cool better than twitter. I do I got all day Why because it don't have all the restrictions and all the new Blah blah blah that twitter has I just I you know, I mean I really contemplated just shut my twitter down I gotta ask you a question now that I thought about it because I haven't asked everybody this I gotta ask this man like um When it's all said and done What do you think? What would you want people to Remember you by what do you want people to do one of the things you want them to say? I asked it for documentary was being done and you couldn't do nothing to input to to what what would you want people to Do in your remembrance Just understand that I Invested in I risked my whole entire career to solidify Artists in Texas in houston preferably so I I didn't shift off to Other places and ran behind made other major artists to get my success. I rooted it where I was from While I stayed there. Wow. Thank you so much. Mr. Lee. Yes, sir It's been another great segment of boss talk 101 where the bosses talk and we out