 Alright, welcome back. It's still the breakfast on Plus TV Africa. You know, there's a whole lot of interest in things that happen just behind the camera. A whole lot of things that Messi gets to do or gets to say and my director saying lots of wonderful things in my ears sometimes. But let's just leave it at that. The one day we'll just be able to present to you some of these things, you know, the BTS and all of that. But Messi, you have the next session. We'll start off with the leadership newspaper, who do have Open the Bone Kataria. Here's a stand by. He joins the conversation in no time. Thank you so much for being part of the breakfast this morning. Thank you, Matthew. Thank you, Justin. And good morning, Adrian. Yeah, good morning to you. Let's take a look at the front page of the leadership newspaper. The attention will be on the bold stories. He talks about the party primaries. I had a party primaries. CSOs, that civil society organization, kicks against aspirants use of state resources for campaign. That's boldly written on the leadership. Underneath, Northern groups decry hijack of political space by some actors. We don't want government of continuity. AACF is quoted. We have aspirants with empty promises. Fennifer is quoted on that, telling Nigerians. Amici, Sarki, Pitalbi, intensifies campaign for party tickets. The right is to find underneath the bold caption. And just away from that, another caption says, ASSO ends wanting strike to decide next line of actions. Now we also have reporters saying, I assume I just am back on an indefinite strike. Some of the persons are saying the presidency or the president had approved a certain amount of money for us to end the strike. But is that encompassing? Does that change the problem? At least some of the issues that ASSO had embarked on the strike for. But I'm sure that we talk about this as we proceed on the course of the show this morning. Aviation for your one-hour flight may hit 120,000 nair. One-hour flight may hit 120,000 nair. I remember when you could actually fly from a city, from one city to another, a maze of a flight. You could pay like 18,000 nair, you know, 15,000 nair. But now it's a different conversation. You also have on the leadership quickly, illegal refinery, 10-fiat dead in Abia explosion. It's also another rider and passport, the issue of passport insurance, unlike payment and appointment system, yielding good results. NIS, CG, Idris is quoted on that. These are the stories you find on the leadership this morning. Away from the leadership newspaper, let's slide on to the punch newspaper. The lead story this morning, Amy Philly heads for court as an anger spread of a presidential ambition hires Ozeb Khomet to seek constitutional interpretation amid rising criticism. APC chair confirms CBN governor's membership says he read that in February 2021. Amy Philly's action could compromise a bank's integrity ex-director and the S.A.Ns are quoted on that particular one. Just above the must-have of the punch newspaper, a bandit mustn't have upper hand in North West, again says Buhari. Nigeria loses 1.2 trillion nair to deficit our production. That's according to reports. ASU federal government disagree over a planned meeting. Oh wow. Naira slums to $595 for extortage persists. Evasion workers begin two-day war and strike over poor welfare. It is really ironic and funny at the same time because a whole lot is happening in that sector. First, we heard of some flights shut down for today. Eventually it was called off and just in the wake of all of that, the evasion workers begin two-day war and strike over poor welfare. Fuel queues resurface in Abuja labor in states. I thought we've heard the last of this issue of fuel scarcity. We'll soon reveal emo killings sponsors, says Uzodema. Graduates are stranded as quarrelfully NYSE mobilized imposter for service. Nigeria can't continue this way, says Syracuse. A whole lot of other stories, but let's just leave it at that for now on the punch. Away from the punch, let's take a look at the Daily Independent newspaper. Federal government borrowings crowding out lending to private sector. Interesting. Analysts say it's unhealthy for the economy. It's a rider underneath the boat caption. And just away from the boat caption, PDP presidential primary, Atiku, Syracuse, Wike, emerges top three aspirant. Buhari acts military to sustain operation against bandits in Northwest. Should the president always act? I mean, don't you have a duty to do? In Gege misled Nigerians, we're still on strike. Research workers are quoted. Ionic chairman cannot join presidential race, this is according to the commission. And former PDP state chairman tackles party's national working committee over attack on emphily. Why the ninth assembly stands out from previous assembly? Really, Ahmed Lawan is quoted on that just before we move away from the Daily Independent. Aviation crisis, airlines succumb to pressure and calls off planned shutdown of operations. There's no corruption in supply chain of aviation fuel. This is what unions quoted to say reps cancel planned emergency session to meet stakeholders. Othon Zaribah's death, a big loss to Nigerians, says Uzadimah. And Buhari attends conference in the certification, degradation in Abidjan. These are the headlines on the Daily Independent newspaper. And finally, we have the nation newspaper. The main headline for this morning APC slumps nine conditions on presidential aspirants, contenders but from taking party to court. Inflation to heat seven months high at 16.2% interest rates to go up. Aviation workers begin warning strike. Airlines shove flights forward. Sanita and Zaribah dies at 83. Assum all strike extension protests in cities. VCs wives shift poly. Petrol scarcity back in FCT. Oil market seek payment of 100 billion Naira debt. Federal government investors draw down 850 billion Naira and claim dividend fund. Supreme Court verdict on 17 oil wells not final says Emo government. Those are the main stories on the nation newspaper this Monday morning. All right, we have Okpinabon Kataria is on standby. He joins the conversation. He's also a public affairs analyst. Okpinabon, it's good to have you join us this morning. Good morning if you want more. Just a good morning. Yeah, good morning to you. So let's start off with the leadership. I mean, the caption talks about the party primaries and the fact that you have civil society organization kicking and gains aspirant using state resources. But is there any. Are there mechanisms, you know, to check the excesses of this aspirant, especially those who are occupying public office? Well, the civil society organizations are not happy with it because it's as if you're placing the aspirants and office in advantageous positions. Unlike your last word, you're going to use the government check. You're going to like boiling the private check. The presidential candidate and so on. We have your security paid for by the state. Whereas these are the aspirants that are also contested. Don't have those privileges. And that's why the CSOs are not happy. In civilized clients like in America, you have the president using the presidential but it's actually paying for it. Once he's not going to fly for any official reasons, the president pays for the presidential check. That's what I call the civilized one, especially in America, which is the natural place of our democracy, of our presidential system of conflict. I don't know of this thing. I don't know of any other country. But I haven't said this. I mean, the Nigerians are a little hoping that it is unfair and unjust because one person is placed on giving one package than the other. Well, life itself is not fair. I don't think that should be our problem. But they're also looking at the cost because you use each time you fly. Of course, you're going to make the debt. You're going to pay the finance, the ground rents and all other rents and charges to be paid at the expense of the state. So you're eating deep into the financials of the state. Whereas these states are in the government. I say, let it go. That's unfair. This is your private land. This is your private ambition. It really has nothing to do with Nigeria or Nigeria. So that shouldn't be the case. That's why they're complaining. But then you just have one president at any point in time. You have one government at any point in time for a state. So that shouldn't be the major problem. Yes, I agree with that. But I don't think that should be our mission. So to speak. If we can address that, fine. So what we should concern ourselves with is to get the president that will give up into the image of Nigeria. And there are so many presidents that will tell you, I don't even want my security books. Not in Nigeria. Please, when I say that, I'm not talking about Nigerian governors and presidents that will come on there to say, we don't accept security books. I decline my security books. Meanwhile, you're taking the security books and more to the back doors. Meaning, listen to the president, right? And you say, you don't want security books. We have not been included in such nonsense in Nigeria. Any governor or president who tells you he's not interested in security books, it's a big part liar. Because he's stealing through the back door. So he just wants to deceive Nigeria. But if you're right, I just want to tell you, I'm not interested in this. I don't want this. I don't want that. Because they are sincere. They have the image of their thing. But I don't think that should be our mission for now. They can be out there. What will we concern ourselves with right now is getting the leader that will navigate us through the stormy waters to a point of relief. Open up, open up, Kateria. Why should we not? Cannot have our mission gone from wrong to wrong. Yeah. Why should we not concern ourselves with that? I mean, you already would... No, except for now. It's not... The problem will minimize the minimum and minimize the maximum. Why am I saying this? You complain. You demonstrate. You shout. You can't change this mind. That's why we should concern ourselves with a leader that will think like Nigerians and act like Nigerians. Because for now, no matter what you do, there is no law prohibiting that they see the president for millions. There's no law. So let's not get a president that will ask him the interests of Nigeria even without the law. We must not have the law on everything. No. We really have a good leader. Morality will take place. And he will know that what he's doing is right or wrong. So that's why I'm not saying that it is wrong for them to criticize the use of government resources for private human beings. It's taking for private human beings. Ambition is taking for private human beings. I'm not saying it's wrong. But I just want us for now to focus on how to get a leader that will address these issues that they have dealt with. It's too late to do this. I'm going to tell you, I'm trying not to use it. I'm going to tell the biggest part not to use. Even when the president says that they're going to use their vernacular from the ministry. No. But I mean, we probably might just agree just before Justin comes in now. But I remember we had a conversation just last week with Senator Shih Wusani. And he talked about the fact that the reason why we constantly have two political parties dominant despite the fact that you have registered political parties for the elections 18 while you seem to have. And he doesn't even think that we might just have a thought force emerging. So we're going to go in the same circle. It's because of the money back politics. And we can't take that out. So a system we were expecting to produce a president, that president, where would he come from? He probably will still come from a system where you have money doing the talking. And that's what it is. I completely agree with the standard of your argument, but not with the submission. Now, you know, a lot of people, let me say this now, criticize the APC government. I also criticize the APC government. But let us make this distinction. You know, that's why I keep talking about the president with a whole lot. Let us make a lot of people in APC today, in their identity. There are a lot of people in APC today, including their national channel. Now, the question really has nothing to do with the party. Because in Nigeria, the parties don't have ideologies. So the issue has to do with the individual. You can have a visit and APC government, like we are used to all that has performed at this moment. And you have another APC government that will perform constantly. And also have a PDT government that will perform at this moment. And another PDT, it depends on the individual. It really has to do with the party. You are talking about the secret. No, one thing. You are talking about secret. It's not even a secret. So we can actually cover much ground. So let's move on. The issue of money back. It depends on the individual. That's what I mean. Open up, we need to move away from this now. Yes. Let's just move away. Let's move on so we can actually cover much ground for a sake of time. We don't have so much time on this particular discourse. Amy Philly has been, that's the central bank of God. Amy Philly has been in the news for quite some time now. First of all, it was the fact that farmers were the ones who funded his, or who are urging him to run. Right now, he's heading to court as Anger is spreading over the presidential ambition. He has gotten the representation from, you know, S.A.N. Mike Zerchem is trying to seek interpretation. Let me get your opinion concerning all of this. People have talked about legality, vassals, morality, and should the central bank of governor be running, you know, for the president in 2023? If a certain minister can run, why not go to the central bank? That's the truth about it. Why not? Is it because of the governor central bank? Maybe because he has more to do with these responses. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. It's just a Police. financial. I don't know if that's the type of mistake you have. All you need to do, that's why you have the EFCC and so on, is to prove it. Where did you get 100 million dollars from? And so on. That's why you have the EFCC. Is it not a Nigeria? If the law says, as a civil servant, you ought to resign your appointment, or resign from office, 30 days to the time, because the other person can compel that he's gone and Downing him is a socialist. The debt of his electoral act. I mean, the court has not defined that. It is a court of appeal. So, because there is no law on that. For now, it is what the Constitutional said. It is 30 days. Where do you think this 30 days? So it was done within 30 days. It's as simple as that. But you see, the economic law denies its right to conduct. If you think it's going to yield the You think he's going to use the national sources. You have the U.S. this is a problem. That's what they should do. You have given the minister a contract. Why would the governor from why would the CBR governor contract? Because the CBR governor, each of the financials of the country. That's wrong. I don't think so. I think there are no things. But don't you think, you know, the CBR governor will also declare. That's what I said. If the law says they also decide. Don't forget we are not talking about the electoral office. We are talking about the constitution. Before you amend any law that is in the constitution, you must first of all amend that before you come up with any law that is provided already you must amend that aspect. Because every other law is inferior to the constitution. And you don't know that. Why do they make these mistakes? If you don't amend the constitution every other law is completely useless to the extent of that inconsistency. So the constitution is dead today. The electoral office says something else. As far as the law is concerned, the constitution is rubbish. And it's in effect constitution first. So for me, it's dead today. Because there is a statistic judgment that there are no renderers that electoral act. It's dead today that, you know, until the court you have to decide on the why. So I think that's simple as that. If it's not of morality, it's a matter of subjection and perception. If the finance minister can consent, why doesn't he consent? And point this, you resign. But if God knows who is inside of the finance should not resign. Maybe this contradicts you. The president should not resign. You say you need to cosmonize. I mean, when we agree, we have to balance this issue. There how much would the president and the minister see. But if God wants to remain in office. People from this must sit down and think of asking a decision. Because it's also a fact. That's what I'm looking for. That's not the issue. What I'm looking for is what they're trying to cure. What they want to cure is connection. That's what they're trying to cure. All right, well noted. So, well, one would just be questioning. It's not that I'm expecting, you know, your reaction at this one. Because we're moving to another focus right here. But the question would be shouldn't people want to become president and governors and become lawmakers understand that there's a law already. And if there's a law that states you shouldn't do XYZ, then you should respect the law. Should we always get into all of this argument? Shouldn't we get to a point where we have aspirants being responsible without having been to be poked and pushed around? It would be a conversation from another day. I agree with him actually. But let's move away from that now. Asu ends wanting strike and decides next line of action. We probably also have reports saying that Asu might just be backing on an indefinite strike. And just recently we also saw some student taking to the streets in different parts of the country protesting and saying that government, you know, you're not going to get into any of this. And saying that Asu is being paid, these lectures are being paid, you know, government is also earning salary, but at the end of the day the students are the one losing out on this particular level. What are your thoughts? Do you think that Asu should tilt the part of backing on an indefinite strike? What do you think should be the next course of action? You know, I told you Asu's men back in the day are just politicians. They go on strike when their pockets are dry and colourful, so spend the strike when they are being given some money. That's what we're going on. If you want them back on the strike, your discussion will just... If you want them back on the strike and resolve, and if you can bring out the hundred million that have to buy for, like if you can't complain why you cannot adjust the Asu strike and try to last for three, four years. And back on that strike and let it last for two and the issues are just once and for all. And go with the future children cannot be accepted. These Asu people, Asu official are politicians. They are business men. When their pockets are dry when they strike, they go back and invite us, they'll give us some money and we'll suspend the strike. When again you have an issue with God and all, come with nonsense. Back on that strike again, why would you suspend the strike? Why would you call up the strike? She wants what she wants from them and that's like... Let me give you those things. But if you want to go ahead with it, that is exactly what Asu is doing. Why do you strike to call up? Asu strike is not just totally... I mean the reason that they've been back on this strike, apart from the fact that government needs to pay some money, they're talking about the payment system. I'm sure that you're also in the know of the IPPRIS and the UTAS. So that's also a bone of contention, not necessarily because you're saying that they probably were broke and now maybe they have gotten some money and I mean that's you saying. For whatever reason, that's the point I'm making. For whatever reason, for whatever reason, let that issue be addressed once and for all. You can't go ahead and strike because of the IPPRIS or whatever I do. Tomorrow you go ahead and strike because your office is not where I'm from because it must be for sure. If you're going on strike to come up with all the issues, there are just these issues. If there are just the most important ones and you feel you're okay, you're satisfied with them, you want them back on any other strike. Then on last strike I'll do the issues that I said. My point is this. Next, the demands of me satisfactorily address the issue. Not to my satisfaction. To the satisfaction of the absolute member, I want these issues addressed to get a bad strike. If these issues are not addressed, don't then continue with your strike. Tomorrow you go back tomorrow you go back it makes nonsense of it all. I understand all of that. I understand all of that. Which leads us to the next question which I have stories on the punch and some other newspaper. The issue of fuel scarcity and fuel queues returning after months of respite. Right now we hear that talks of debt. How do we ever wriggle out of all of this issue? For months Nigerians were growing under the hardship of fuel scarcity. But from what we hear this morning the fuel queues have resurfaced in Abuja and neighboring cities or states. You were talking about lasting solution in terms of strikes being done and solving all the issues once and for all. What do we do in this regard of fuel? Yeah, but I guess quite simple. If you have to sabotage the system the government is complicit if world goes for Naira Faluta in Nigeria you take it out how the country goes about 600, 700 Naira Faluta they make abnormal profit from it you don't have checks and so the people prefer before and after the country that to supply India and the government is aware of this but it's not my work. And the refinery is working. They are not working. It's for 7 years now. It has just one year. And the government funding by government they finally are going to work within 6 months one year. What does that mean? They complain, they have corrected the previous government for the outside. They got into office and suddenly we are lying of this it's as simple as that. The government is not ready to address the fuel issue. They make a lot of money exporting the fuel who are in government. And you have a president that is not bothered at all because it is the government that is providing access to fuel out to the air he breathes out to the air he breathes out to the country we have to make about 600 Naira Faluta and you have to trust the refinery finally where the country the country is doing well where the country is doing well because they send in fuel out or they create artificial activity so that they can make more money and that means they have discovered an artificial so that they can make more money because you must fire your jet for those that are using a smaller jet you must fire your jet you must drive your car you must go to work the hospitals must use them so you create this activity artificial activity because when it happens artificial activity then you make more money and it changes the emotion right now that the government is complicit outside it but all this won't happen as we co-sit down you have on the daily independent this part where you have the senate president akwad lawan saying that the 9th assembly stands out from other assemblies what are your thoughts let's begin to make the comparison now the 9th assembly and the previous assembly let's compare it with the 8th assembly the one closely very closely we can hear you we can hear you loud and clear it's absolutely right it stands out completely stands out the 9th assembly is a rubber standard the 9th assembly the previous president said the president said no confrontation so it stands out it makes it unique but it is done but the 9th assembly makes it less confrontation why you complain we should command them to destroy the nation by not being alive we will command them I command the only minister for not making in the time I talk about Nigeria another Malamute I'm talking about the senate president I command the only minister for not making who is here alright we're done with the segment can we just throw one in let's see if we can just throw one in as we wrap up let's talk about this caption on the daily independent their main story for this morning federal government borrowing crowding out lending to private sector I need your reaction as we wrap up well and you know I think when the federal government when we borrow so much we borrow for everything we borrow we're going to borrow to buy farms in the house we borrow to feed the national wealth we borrow for everything and it doesn't affect the private sector and when the private sector is affected whether elected or not the economy is affected because what sustains the economy is the private sector not the government you have the micro, you have the macro it's the private sector I only borrow so much for example now I find it because maybe unless it is done that will go to China to get loan I will be giving loan Nigeria has borrowed only home money in China so it's affecting the private sector and that's why people are complaining and suddenly most of this work to get and not put into good debt to use they are being wasted completely wasted and judicious we will not even go borrowing we are going to borrow to expand the crude we have and also import the refined products we are going to borrow we have a global problem it's affecting the private sector and they are complaining because we are talking of the federal government might do the borrowing but we are all Nigerians that will go to Africa so it's an issue alright thank you indeed we need to sort out all of our issues and put our house in order our house being in Nigeria that is our country a very big thank you to Openabore Incotiria Public Affairs Analyst for sharing your thoughts this morning thank you alright it's still the breakfast on plus TV Africa we are moving away from off the press and we will see what happens and we will come back and talk about other issues making the rounds in Nigeria stay with us we will be right back