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Let's talk about this. I know right the backwards advice Yeah, wait a minute. I want to get lean, but I got a bulk. Oh, yeah, we're in backwards land Yeah, no, you know, this is this is good advice for a lot of people because when you're getting lean You have to eat less calories than you then you burn, right? You got to cut your calories But people don't think beyond once they hit their goal, right? You want to be able to cut your calories to a point where the maintenance calories now when you're lean is something you can sustain and So if you're gonna cut your calories and they're low and hard for you to maintain you're screwed so bulking Speed the metabolism builds a muscle kind of like a reverse diet gives you more room to do the cut afterwards So I like that advice, but I'm gonna take it a step further. I think that There's tremendous value in in doing the opposite of whatever you tend to do no matter which side of the fence you on meaning Oh, that's true Like how I mean and I know you can get erupting the process I know you can definitely relate to this because you and I were both the same way We were on it. We were on a permanent bulk for most of our lives right because we had this insecurity about being skinny so I was always bulking and You know one of the best things I ever did in pursuit of the bulk was actually run a cut for a while because I had never Really done that and one I got leaner and quote-unquote smaller But I got the compliments my insecure ass was looking for forever, which was oh my god You look so big and I thought this is crazy. Yeah, I lost 15. Yeah lost 15 pounds I'm getting all these these these comments and then when I went back into the bulk my body just Responded amazing and so and I think the same thing who's true is for the kid or the guy or girl who struggled with weight loss their whole Life, they've always been 40 50 pounds overweight They're if they're either not paying attention at all or they're on a strict diet And they're trying to cut taking that person and saying hey, let's start to add food to your diet Let's try and build some muscle. Let's put you on a bulk Even though you want to lose 50 pounds first and then cut so I think even better advice is to evaluate What do you typically do all the time and then maybe even potentially? Yeah, I'm glad you I'm glad you clarified because and by the way bulk is not just eating a bunch of garbage And when we when we're referring to when we say bulk is Eating in a slur surplus that allows you to build lean body mass, but not too much body fat So it's a small surplus, you know clean bulk or whatever you want to call it And you have to pair that with effective strength training or resistance training speeds up the metabolism You get your maintenance calories in other words the calories that require your body requires to stay the same to go up up up up And then when you cut you got all this room to cut calories and then what you said about like what you and I experienced I Noticed this incredible Resensitizing effect to calories like I would just eat more and eat more and I got to the point was like I got a 4,000 plus calories to make anything move then I went on an actual cut just like you did which took me a long time To even attempt I got lean and then it was like the most sensitive My body had ever become to calories and I was able to build muscle well And there's a threshold to bulking as well to where you find yourself just bloated and gassy Your body is literally just fighting you throughout the entire process and in it's you don't have to keep pushing and driving You know You know going through that process of pain and and anguish to make it happen Like you can kind of bring it back and step out a bit and make sure your body Responds the way you want it to by just interrupting that it's funny because you're you're what you're saying is the body's sitting there Trying to give you all these signals that you need to go just ignore them Yeah, but you ignore them because of your insecurities, but I really liked though I mean the original I wanted to add to it, but your original tip With somebody trying to lose weight. I remember this being a really Challenging conversation, right? So person sits in front of me super. They've been struggling with weight loss their whole life I know you want to lose weight, right? They've yo yo dieted up and down. They've tried all these different diets I I assess the way they're currently eating and their goals and they they want to say let's say lose 50 plus pounds or whatever And I go okay The first thing we're gonna do is we're gonna increase your calories and they they freak out because there's like That's not why I'm hiring you but the truth is the people that hire me at that stage Most of them have already tried dieting on their own and what the diets look like our crash diets where they restrict calories like crazy and they you know do cardio and do everything they can and They've completely slowed their metabolism down So I get somebody who is 230 250 plus pounds and they're eating 1500 calories and They're like where are we gonna go? Yeah, like we can't we can't cut from and even if they Let's say they're it's still at 2,200 2,200 calories for someone who's 250 plus pounds is a very low You're gonna end up at 1200 calories. That's right That's so you know when I see that I go okay, and that's you have to be able to Articulate that to somebody and say you want to know what I used to say which was kind of a trick It's not really a trick I think as a coach you have to figure out how to communicate certain things because What you're talking about is such an uphill battle and sometimes the most convincing coach and trainer You're just not gonna convince the person so what I would say to people is I'm not gonna worry about your nutrition Yeah, right now. We're just gonna work out and we're gonna take this one step at a time The reason why I would say that is I know that if I'd said that then most likely they're gonna eat at least It maintenance or to surplus right and it gives me the opportunity to build strength and muscle and Metabolism and then three months later down the line then we could start to talk about yeah I'm always trying to have them focus on Rebuilding the body first like building the body up and so it just works better And I think that's that's totally not something Somebody coming in for weight loss is ever gonna focus on and that's you know as a coach It's you know if you can get them to get into that mentality so that later on the weight loss process becomes so much more Effective and it sticks longer. So I would focus on something that I I'm trying to increase Normally when you get someone like that, they are you know, most common thing either under-consuming protein Under-consuming fiber Under-consuming potentially healthy fats normally one and so instead of even talking about calories I go the direction of a lot we need to increase protein Yeah, we need to build muscle and I would make the case for speeding the metabolism up So I wouldn't I too would not focus on hey I'm gonna make you eat lots more because that would freak someone like that out, right? You just say hey, I assessed the diet and we definitely need to increase protein intake So I would focus there knowing that I'm also bumping calories exactly But I'm not really telling them that all I'm doing is like hey We need more fiber or we need more protein or we need more healthy fats in your diet And they don't really look at it like I'm telling them they need to eat more food And they don't freak out. I know speaking of the bulk thing like what you said Justin I mean, I'll give you guys my personal I ignored all my body signals forever because I was so hard-headed about it. I think we all did in here One point is true. Everybody does I remember this at one point the breakfast I would have so I was probably a senior in High school This is when I was like all in like this is gonna happen, right? And my breakfast consisted of a punch bowl of cheerios So this was like maybe a quart of whole milk in order to make this happen 12 egg Scrambled so 12 eggs scrambled and then on the way to school toast and bananas This is what I would have for breakfast feel bad for the kid that sat behind you. Oh, dude I'd be in the school Holding it together, you know. Oh, yeah, keep it down. I did the same but it was with like the Like the beach scooper Size away counter a weight gainer and then add in like five egg yolks And then also peanut butter on top of that and just rumbles all day long like especially after work out It was just gas drop and heat. Yeah, just eat everywhere. That's terrible. Yeah All right, so I'll talk to you guys about a scientific phenomenon that I think we now have some pretty clear evidence So for a long time. This has been observed Speculated a lot of anecdotes, but I think now we have hard evidence that BDE is a real thing Yeah, big dick energy big dick energy. Okay, so what spawn this research bro Pete Davidson. Okay, okay? That is a good idea. It has to have a ginormous dick something. I'm convinced hold on a second He dated Ariana Grande Kate Beckins I didn't even know this I saw that meme that's flying around right now It's like for like the hottest chicks out there Kim Kardashian and who else is it making Fox two or something like what there's like four There's like four of like the dude this guy looks like a creature. Yeah, and he's not really that funny There's got to be another factor. No, listen, I don't want to talk shit. He's got that. I will talk shit I think he's not funny. I just I don't want to talk shit, but here's a deal He doesn't look healthy like if you look at dark circles I'm not right. Yeah. Yeah, so it's either you see that what are you okay? So what are you guys that we're gonna speculate and probably fucking cause some shit It can't be just having a massive dick that can't be the only sure cat. That's it dude That's it. I mean, that's really a famous. I guess he's got money. What not? Yeah, but all these women are famous, too I mean yeah, I know I could have hooked up with anybody right for sure Yeah, but aren't most like typically like most famous actors and stuff like that like smaller and stature And it's like they're not normally like big guys and he's kind of an anomaly too because he's not a real big guy But he's probably packing Like isn't that like most most of you know what I think I like your little like at least in my my school and growing up is like little drama guys They're little you know and they have they put like will say they shoot him from the angle down Yeah, then you see him in real life. They're like little little dude So he's probably a little bit of an anomaly in the acting comedy circuit. I would think no, no Here's what I do you guys have any friends that are just like super ugly, but would just pull like amazingly beautiful Yes, but they had tremendous charisma his charisma now. He does. I don't know. I had one. No, I have a buddy who's like Yeah, he's he lays pipe and he doesn't Like he's like and he's like he's five ten. I won't say his name. I won't put him on blast He's got a anaconda. I mean, it's not like putting on blast. It's like yeah, he and for the longest time I know we were friends forever and I didn't know that till a waiter wait later And he's you know, it's kind of on the goofier side Lockroom together and Holy shit girls absolutely love them. He's absolutely love them. It was way later that I thought it when we moved in together We lived together. So here's my theory. Here's my theory. Yeah, he's probably packing heat. Okay. That's fine I don't think that's all of it up. Here's my theory. So studies actually show this that if you Walk into a room and you want to attract other women The most effective thing you could do is walk in with another really attractive woman. Oh, yeah This makes you immediately attractive women want to talk to you or whatever. This is they've done studies on this So here's what I think I think he pulled one. Yes. Yes. He tricked the first one, right? It was Kate Beckins it was Kate Beckins and then all the other women are like Kate Beckinsdale Why are they why is she with that troll? So I imagine I imagine like being a celebrity at that level is like Like, you know, it's like you're out of the board banging. No, I think it's like a club You know say like I mean you didn't if you go to a small school I went to a small school for a while, right? And you eventually it's such a small club You ran out of options or what? Well, yeah, you end up you all end up dating the same girls and people You know the classroom and it's like I went through a K through 8th. You see and I was there from Fourth grade all the way to 8th grade with that same group of people and that's you know Fourth grade my first girlfriend. So you're you have grown so by the time you get to 8th grade You've all dated the same kind of circle. Stacey. Yeah Everyone did Yeah, that's right. So I I think like Celebrity is such an intimate group of people that eventually gets around like, you know, what's what's his name? So what he's down the list on the bottom list. Well, no, I went through a whole list Oh, he's on the list He's on the list is the guy with the the big package and then you know every you know at one point that That club of people be dudes want to find out for themselves Could it be really that is it really that big or she just exaggerating my god I don't know the other thing I think is that he's he made a deal with Satan You know, I mean like he's just signed Listen, you could have my soul. I just want to be able to bang whatever check. I was like done. Here you go Yeah, it's probably like this really sweet and romantic guy who says all the right things. We don't even know we're talking shit right now Oh, yeah, yeah, the best game you've ever heard. Well, you know what it is. It's an anomaly of course we're speculating I don't know the guy, right? So but it's it's usually when you see something like that it's super generalized Okay, but usually because the guy's a billionaire. Well, yeah, as I say so you can rule out the money thing Yeah, they can go get money from any other Kim Kardashian so many better looking celebrities out there choose from yeah Kim Kardashian's got way more money than he does right? He doesn't have ton of money. So can't be the money Charisma I've seen his stand-up. He sucks. He's not really good. He's not super good looking Maybe it's the be well. He potentially is like the the life of the party. So now imagine this club, right? They all go to the same parties and stuff like that He's probably the dude who he's probably got an aura about him He walks in and he's probably got mad confidence even though he's see what's happening right now If you were a girl you'd want to date him right now because you want to find out what's going on Yeah, yeah, this is a mystery. Yeah Yeah, what's he doing? You're actually a stupid show where the guy had like this top hat Yeah, purposely and he's just like the pick-up artist. Yeah, the pick-up artist like maybe he's been hanging out the pick Have you seen that? I don't know you haven't seen this It's the doucheiest show I think I've ever watched so he like he's this guy He was a super nerd and then he learned how to pick up chicks and he teaches other he teaches these guys had a like Nague out on on girls and basically like he's like first you got to get on their insecurities and wear stupid Outfits so they get attention and it's just like cringe just really really funny about it Now I don't know how I mean I think a confidence has a lot to do there. Yeah, you're sure. Oh, wow stupid hat This guy is a pick-up artist. Hey, you know what's funny though What's funny is it work now? I don't know how fake it was or produced I mean, okay, so in high school if you look at Me you the way I dressed and the things I do you probably like what the fuck you wore hat like that I'm not like that. That's that's a little that's a little I had I had worked. I wore like a top hat. I wore. Yeah, I wore like Yours was more authentic like you would do that at school You do yeah, this is like, you know something he goes to a club to literally fish and pray Yeah, bro, I had a whole collection of all kinds of crazy hats and I did you write a unicycle? No Okay, so unpacking it now as an adult looking back What I think it was was that if you have the confidence to be so different than everybody else and you and you don't and don't Initially some kid would probably make fun of it, but that didn't wait. I didn't waver I didn't go. Oh someone tease me now the next day. You never see me wear it I double triple down, you know, if you do top hats, right? You tease me about it I'm rocking it and so and I because I think I carried myself that way I attract it because I definitely I know I was not a good-looking kid in school I was not like I was skinny crooked teeth poor drove a shitty I had all the things and I was not your top athlete. I was We're on camera you can't lie Well, I'm serious though like in and I definitely It's all shy when I say that His cheese got a little red I think I really think that that has a lot to do with it was probably having confidence Yeah, especially in high school because everybody's and I imagine don't you imagine like celebrity life is kind of like being in high school But I do I feel like it's like but I do feel like it could backfire I feel like some kid listening right now is like, okay, Adam said okay, so it does My friends tried to as we got older He's gonna dress up as a Pokemon listen as we got older remember when I went I tell early on if you've been listening podcast since the beginning I used to talk about painting my toes all the time at one point All my friends that used to make fun of me all went through a phase where they tried it because they saw there's like oh my god Do the thing that we all make fun of them for you're at the pool and Girls would walk by or whatever and they would see that and they would get there It started conversation there, but they weren't just painting a French some girl some girl. Yeah, some girls would think oh my god It's a few some girls would try it would would make fun of me at first though But again, if I didn't waver when they make fun of me it would start a conversation anyways Justin tried to copy you with them No, I had buddies that tried it We don't have a sad we don't have a standard strong enough to deal with this I had friends that tried it and if they failed miserably But here's why I watched it happen and I watched why it failed miserably It's not about the the toenail paint. Yeah, it's about how you respond and react with it Of course And so they would do it and then when they get made fun of you would see them They just they would clam up damn they would they would differ like oh, I lost a bet or oh, you know I'm just kidding around like they would get all nervous about I'm like you can't do that If you do that then it's not gonna work. You know confidence. Confidence is a big huge. That's a huge factor Yeah, I would so I didn't care either. I wasn't a style fashion. I didn't care. I just didn't care But I was I never yeah, it shows. I Hey, if you guys see my wife come on down You know what I didn't care of I didn't care about expressing my opinions and talking about whatever so we'd be in a crowd and You know, I have a cousin super good-looking guy and girls would always you know go to him right away But then as the day would progress I would because I wasn't afraid to talk about whatever or speak my mind Yeah, you have your own confidence and other things. Sure sure right, right? It's hilarious speaking of confidence Justin you need to be more confident about remembering to do commercials. Come on man. Okay, you're responsible for Organifies commercial today drop you Told you guys yesterday. I'm gonna bring it in and here's the thing We ran out because we I used it all here and I have the rest of my house Supposed to start the pure kick again. Yeah, we're supposed to have it ready for the next commercial organifi and we're failing them I was gonna say hey, let's lie Adam's like so sharp today and not like but just you know, I'm gonna be able to pull it off because obviously you're you know Just so it's gonna lie. Yeah, let's lie you guys No, I yeah, I'm sorry. I apologize. I was that was on me Now are you back to using it though consistently? I am He hasn't at home, bro. He hoarded it all. Yeah, I brought it all we don't have it And I was in this the thing like that's probably one of my most consistent supplements that I use and and you guys You know like we'll talk about creatine. I'm actually gonna start taking more creatine again, too But I haven't taken it in years like so there's just certain supplements that you know, I I Do well with and this is definitely one of those in terms of like right now like I'm trying to recall information I'm trying to stay focused and this is one of those things that's just helped me We've all talked about how much it makes a difference. In fact, if I was the producer of the show I'd probably have it ready for my yeah hosts all time. Yeah, because I care about the production So let's put this on Doug. Yeah Doug's fault For not like send me a reminder. God. We're so useless with Justin's like a squirrel, you know, he takes all the supply all the pure for the winter And I'm also like the dog like a school. Yeah, I was gonna say I'm like the dog If you say squirrel make squirrel. Yeah, yeah, it's true. It's true. By the way, don't poke it Doug too much I've seen him get pissed off not that long ago the guy will He flipped on you. Yeah, dude. It was great It was it we had some technical difficulties up in truckie and I was like And he started getting really mad and I saw that side of Doug that I never want to see cuz I've seen it once before So I was like, I better back down or he killed me I'm easy going but I do have a threshold Doug will murder everyone I Like that right and you probably obviously experienced this right because you you do I think have a incredibly long fuse and It's connected to a nuke. Well, yeah, I Think that's what happens with people like this, right? Like you put up with a lot more You don't rock the boat hardly ever but if it compiles enough at the right time Then you don't really have like a warm hotter. No, I'm hot or cold. Yeah. Okay. That's it It's us. I'm just warning you the jokes. Well, you would think by now shame on you You would think by now. Okay, as long as we've all been together. Everybody knows each other Forbid we fuck with your fucking eating schedule or your work Heaven forbid that I'm in fact since we're calling talking shit right now. Let's just bring this out right now So we have Vicky in the morning who cuts all of our hairs on Monday our hair on Monday, right? And there's there's a there's a normal order to it. That's just as naturally happened I'm first ironically even though I have the longest drive to get here. I have to be the first one So I have to get up an extra. Oh, yeah, the longest haircut, right Ironic too. Yeah, so I go I go first then then normally Justin and then and then Sal goes Yeah, and you know, there's been a couple times where Justin and then also I have been caught in Traffic and accident with that and this guy over here basically will make Vicky sit and wait real in profession for an hour All by herself it can instead of ruining his work 20 minutes and Number two I'm glad we're doing this on the show People listen to the show. They know what do we say about your workouts? You make them rocks in your schedule I have a schedule workout. I'll miss a haircut. I got to do my workouts got to happen That's the only way it'll happen. You know it's worked out But you should know Doug okay when it comes to technical stuff and if I mean nobody Nobody is harder on him and then himself when it comes to making everything, right? So when it doesn't go, right, it's he's one of the justins like this also I've learned this from all the years. We've been together if Justin fucks up on something or something doesn't go accordingly I don't normally need to say anything because I already know he's probably beating himself up inside Yeah, so if I if I put anything on him on top of that, it's like Me and Doug relate quite a bit. Yeah, we do The more I think about it. I'm we're talking about you guys are a lot like each other when it comes to that stuff Well, he's you're the youngest right Doug. What an older brother. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah I think that plays a factor. I am the youngest as a matter of fact. That's true Yeah, I think so I find that people who are first-borns tend to be very They think they know a lot of things And we listen we listen they're like, I think you're wrong Yeah, I'll show you but oh wait for my moment. Hey, I wonder what they say when we leave I know what it does sometimes you and I have this huge blow. I mean that can spiral I wonder when we leave what they I already I know you all talk shit all the time I say these guys are always like if I get all frustrated. So they all go grumpy Adam Yeah, no, he's just a little moody, but that's about it. That's moody Brooding is what they say for guys who are moody. I just say moody Is that really a thing brooding? Yeah, that's what they say for guy It was just kind of funny, but it really it's just you're being you know, it's a guy being moody. I've never even heard He's so mysterious. No, he's just moody. Oh That's like a look on the face right when you're watching movies and they do this look. Yeah. Oh my god It's so funny. You just reminded me so I was talking to my daughter, right? So on her iPad. She had a picture of who's the guy that plays the new spider-man The last one Before I can't remember his name, but anyway, she had him on there So I've teasing her like oh you think he's you know, he's your crush or whatever. She's like no He's not you know, we're doing this whole thing back and forth Anyway, I'm really into spiders. Anyway, so I was teasing her so what's his name Tom Holland? There he is. It's not a bad. That's not a bad guy and those are all the spider-man's. No, no these Neil Patrick Harris was never a spider-man But anyway, so we're we're later on right so I'm teasing her whatever and we're you know, and I told listen I'm just kidding or whatever. I said you just got a date Make sure you date a guy like your father, right? And she's like oh, okay So date a guy that speeds all the time in the car. That's what she said But she's right, you know, I mean their perspective is always so funny It's like what they hold on to well sauce thinking about this right because I feel like such an asshole I was thinking about this. I'm like What if she does date some jerk who drives hella recklessly in his car and she's used to it because her dad drives like an asshole Yeah, damn it. I gotta change this right so one needs to bring back the the kids say the darndest thing that show Or what I thought obviously was Bill Cosby before without If we could find a little more wholesome welcome to sleepy time Oh Well what that was such a good show though, right? I can't believe they haven't done another one like that I thought it was hilarious when the interview the kids like that and they would say that to the darn to say kids are great Dude, I had a client no filter. That's why I had a client once where his daughter He went to go wake her up in the morning. She's like three years old and he's like hey honey wake up And she looks him she goes your face smells There's something so attractive and pure about radical honesty when you meet some That could be and it's rare to find an adult right so it's so it's so pure and children because they don't know better Right, they don't know if they're a what how what it is to offend somebody or they're not thinking that way They don't process it that way so it's so cool But then it for some reason we tend to lose that as we get older and people I was talking to Courtney about this because we're I was Describing a lot of my friends that are still friends now and the ones that have left and the ones that are still my friends Are the ones that are like super blatantly honest and like tell me like you know stuff that that might be offensive or piss me off But I just I know who I'm dealing with you know That's like your friend who was your name your friend that I hit it off with at the party. Oh, yeah Yeah, I just I'm immediately drawn. We could have different political social Yeah, but you know what you're dealing with but yeah, I just I love somebody who embodies that radical honesty That's not afraid to say there and there's a there's a line there too You're not an asshole like you just you say rude shit all the time It's like you can you can be very honest, but also empathetic in consider someone's feeling Yeah, so let me ask you this so let's say your wife comes up to you and she's like, hey Does this there's this dress make me look kind of fat and let's say it does Would you say yes? Would you know you really asking me that yeah, haven't you heard Katrina talk about that before? No Oh, you have it. Oh, yeah, Adam would say. Oh, yeah, I'm brutally honest with stuff like that She didn't have to ask me she'll walk out an outfit. I bet you can't wear those shoes with that I would never ask you to do this me Courtney the same But I would I would say in a way where I'm like, I'm like, oh that was just not as flattering on you Yeah, it's so I screwed around so I probably started like that, but we've been together now for so long I'm straight. I don't have time because I already know if I do that Then she'll kind of we'll go back and forth like no that you can't do that. It doesn't look good at all Yeah, she say that to you Not so much. I'm probably the more one who's more critical with that stuff So but she what she'll tell you is that it's initially annoying, but she also loves that that part Like because then she knows to like I'm not if I tell her oh, she looks pretty today or I say some with that She goes she knows. I know he's not bullshitting me No, you'll be the first to tell me it doesn't look good. It doesn't wait to it I've got an arguments with Jessica over this one early when we first started dating because she remember she used to She traveled a lot when she used to work for the Cirque du Soleil and other countries have different kind of standards So like in Brazil Evening wear or bikinis. They're much they're much less I don't know they wouldn't seem appropriate right if you wore them in the u.s But because of the standards are different So she had all these like dresses and stuff and she puts one on and I'm like honey That's like see-through I can see everything like it's too sexy. Yeah, and she gets all like what do you mean? Don't tell me what I'm like honey. Listen literally I could see everything You know I mean like it's cool, but I don't think we should go to my parents house I'm gonna keep you here See now that's interesting because you probably would be all for it if it was somewhere else But it's because it's mom and dad's house. Yeah, and it depends where we're at like, you know like like a thong bikini At the apartment complex pool with family like that might be something that we don't want to do right Versus going to I love even how you're presenting it right now I know she's gonna listen right. She knows dude. Yeah, probably how do we want to do no We had this we had a whole conversation about it. I was like, what's the big deal? There's like kids and dads out there the moms are not gonna like us if you go out there where that you know I I don't know where I like where it even started for me I also love when I when you see a couple who's been together for like 30 40 years and you hear them the way It's the best. Yeah, it really is where that's just like there It's almost like they're more my parents are great, right? So when I was melded into one mind when I was a kid I mean like any any married couple that were Arguments and fights over certain things and there's these you know, I don't know what they call them But these Issues that don't go away, right? So if you look at couples that get in big fights like all couples do over certain things It's usually the same kind of thing over and over again and it was like that when my parents do Well, I think when you've been married as long as my parents have You just you get over it and you could say shit about each other and they're like whatever you laugh it off Well, I the key. Yeah, so my dad will say something like well You know your mom, you know, she's not whatever and that would normally have made her so upset But she'll fire right back. Well, yeah, cuz your dad can't do that, you know, whatever and it's hilarious Yeah, and they get over it and that's like, okay, that's how that's how it works, you know Yeah, I wanted to ask you this is not on the agenda to talk about but I I just sent over something to you recently Sal and it was a supplement company that's coming after us pretty aggressively and it sounds Interesting but also sounds a little bullshit to me But then I see the people that are connected to it that are backing it There's a lot of big-name people that are connected to it Did you read enough to like kind of give me a little like I did What it is and what it's supposed to do I can't remember the exact name I got a little it doesn't matter does the supplement main doesn't matter Well, I care more about like what it was supposed to do and like it's like derived from like grapefruit No, pomegranate. Yeah, there's this compound that okay So here's the issue with the supplement space is you'll have a couple studies that will show there's some maybe something Interesting we should look at a little deeper But because the compound isn't hasn't really been sold by other companies It sounds like the latest greatest thing and it's an opportunity to market the product now I'm not saying that's necessarily what's happening with this product But when I looked it up there wasn't a ton of research and so the claims were based off of kind of like a couple studies Yeah, and so that makes me always like kind of skeptical like I want to try it Now you say that but I was there on the pitch deck that they sent over to me There is actually a chart of all the studies that have been done on it and the how much it has like skyrocketed in the Yeah, but I think there was only like a couple that were done on humans and you know human studies Oh, really? Yeah, so there's a lot of speculative kind of like for example. Let's say they do a study and they say compound X increases fat oxidation or whatever by you know 15% which sound oh my god You're gonna burn more body fat But then when you do a real study and you look at the real world results things balance out and it doesn't result in any So then what does it take for you when you're looking at new? I mean we've we've talked about One of the Turk Turkestone and the other crazy one that you brought up early on like when you're looking at these supplements or these compounds What makes you go get excited like oh wow this actually has some potential. I want to see a lot of either really good Evidence so good studies done on humans that are conducted well I also like to see a lot of anecdote So I don't I don't take anecdote and throw it out a lot of people say oh, I don't like anecdote So well, here's the deal with that There's compounds that have been used for hundreds or thousands of years Like some compounds you'll see in Chinese medicine or Vedic medicine that maybe right now doesn't have lots of studies But if it's been used for 500 or 600 maybe we don't know the mechanism at which it's totally Then I'll be you know that then I'll be like oh this might actually work and then there's anecdote like You know you'll see a supplement There's a few studies that are kind of interesting But then you'll go read the forums and people like oh my god I totally feel this and it works and then I'll also want to try it I'll want to try it myself and see if this is something that I because Usually I find when I try something I can communicate it a lot better for example You brought up Turquesterone or ecti sterone. Yeah studies show that it works the anecdotes talk about that it works I've also taken it many many times and I know that after about 45 to 60 days it stops working So I'm able to communicate that if I were to sell a product like that which no affiliation We're not selling that product right also We now know that it's mediated by the estrogen receptor, which makes me say I don't know if we'd want to recommend this to women We don't know what might be the effects on women who knows so you know, that's it That's basically I look at all those things and then of course. What do I always have you guys try it? Because yeah Well, you know what it is like Adam there's been a couple a couple products like there's been certain synthetic They're called new tropics. Oh, yeah that I like right then I'll have you guys use it and you guys be like I got a headache Exactly. Yeah, I didn't didn't yeah resonate. Well with my gut. Yeah, I'll be like screw that you and I tend to be the same I feel like the stuff that you that ends up you and I are similar on a lot of stuff Neutropic sometimes they give you a headache and they don't do that to me. Yeah, there's not a lot There's actually that's why I think you know, I like pure so much is it's one of the few that I can take that doesn't It feels healthy doesn't it? Yeah, it doesn't I think all the synthetic ones just don't feel right on me Like either that messes with my stomach or I get these weird headaches from it Yeah, I mean maybe one at a time and I've taken it enough times to be to like, okay It's if I've had bad feelings from it more often than not but I because I'm so interested in yeah I've tried so many of you try to bunch these new tropics. Yeah, and again, that's that is I think that's the main thing is if it's coming from natural sources. It just it just feels better You know the way that my body reacts to it exactly speaking of new tropics and smart people So Elon Musk continues to be my favorite person That I don't really know right in the world in the world love that guy Did you guys see his little Twitter battle with Elizabeth Warren? Yeah? Oh just recently bro So so first of all she's like, you know She's talking about Elon Musk and we need to pass laws so that people like Elon compare You know we need to pay their fair share sure even though he's paying 10 billion He's paying he's gonna pay more taxes more taxes than anybody in history Any billion or something like that right some crazy billion dollars It's just hilarious that she would pick a fight with him But then he's like he goes he goes you're like you're like, you know When I was a kid like my friend's mom that just yells at everybody for no reason So so hilarious, but yeah, he hammered on her and he's paying the guys But it and also by the way this whole like fair share thing it goes both ways like I did I've done this before to people who DM me and I've said listen If you want to talk about fair share Elon Musk has created tens of thousands of jobs has innovated at his own expense often incredible innovations in Environmental research and space travel and you know cars and other technologies How many jobs have you created how much innovations have you done you are not contributing your fair share to society? So it could flip both ways talk about pay your fair share Where's your force fair share of contribution to society now? Obviously, I'm not being serious about that But if you're gonna talk about you need to pay your fair share look in the mirror What have you done to help anybody and it's probably nothing in comparison to these hyper productive Like what I've done is nothing compared to somebody like Elon Musk. I mean he's just such a hyper productive person He's innovating wrong. It's everybody else. It's exactly. That's that's where we're at Yeah, I just I just think that when you get people like this You know they have so much money that they could totally cash out and stop trying to do all this stuff And I feel like we would all suffer. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's just like the things that they have created I mean I saw the the time magazine like I forgot all the companies That's what it was it was cuz he got person of the year so she went in yeah after him for yeah And and then you look at all the incredible companies that he's created It's like that those wouldn't exist if this guy decided to she called him a freeloader The irony of a politician calling an entrepreneur a freeloader is hilarious because politicians don't do anything and they get paid to do Nothing. Yeah, they're the definition of a freeloader. Yeah, so it was pretty ironic Did you get a chance to go down the that kid that I sent over to you? I know you did you watch that one? Yeah, I did a little bit really entertain Leading you to talk about like the whole gold and oil and is this no I mean it can we can't we can transition to that right now if you want to get there But I mean I you just reminded me like this talk like that's like his he makes these things He calls them business essays and they're these short 15 minute like mini Documentaries that he does and it's mostly I mean it's everything he does business stocks crypto Conspiracy theories He talks a lot about all the stuff that we're talking about now and the kids been on YouTube for a long time I've been following him for like a year and I just I like the content. I like how he's doing I've never seen anybody do something like this So he'll take he'll try and make a point like like what what happened with all the money printing, right? He'll title it really cool and he'll edit it edit it up a really good 15 minute like synopsis on The history of how we got here like say from 1970. Oh, it all makes sense. Yeah No, it's really it's very it's it's Educational and it's informative and it's entertaining. You know what I like about that is I feel like they sometimes they purposely make things seem so Complicated so that people go. I don't I don't understand. How does inflation? Well? I don't get it when actually it's actually quite simple when you break it down. Yeah Yeah, his name is Jake Tran. Yes, and that's what did you get a chance to look I did I watched one of his cool Right. Yeah, really cool. Right. I thought it was really I reached out to him Hopefully we'll get can I mean I've been talking to him back and forth in DM I know he's got a lot of things going on. He's all over the place But I would like to talk to him. I just find what he's doing it really interesting He's kind of a disruptor in his space too and like his whole idea of like how he creates his content I thought was pretty fascinating. Yeah, you'll like it. You have to go down. It's not like I mean you're gonna watch it There's not there's nothing. I think that you're gonna see you be like, oh, I didn't know that but the way he presents it Yeah, I like so I look at it and why why I was attracted to it was you know Katrina's not really into talking about economics and and stuff some of the stuff that I'm like more into but I Could see I could get her to watch some with that and her really enjoy it And he simplifies it in a way that the average person who maybe not be into that as much I love to enjoy that. I love that I used to watch learn Liberty is a great channel on YouTube And they do that really well with with controversial topics and they'll break it down in like five minutes And you go, okay, that makes you know perfect sense You alluded to something though that I wanted to do and I asked Doug to look this up for me because I was listening to I think this was on a podcast I don't remember where I actually heard this first, but I thought it was interesting because I was wrong And they're saying that you know, if you were to have put money in Oil gold or houses. So let's say like a quarter million dollars So same amount in each of those. Yes same amount in each of those and left in cash Which I'm sure everyone would predict that in 1970 What would what would be worth the most today? So I you asked me this earlier and I guessed oil But the reason why I guessed the oil is because you said in the 1970s Yeah, and I thought because I know in the 70s There was an oil about Bargo and oil skyrocketed But then I forgot of course that it came back down. So I was wrong. It wasn't oil But that's what I thought. Yeah, did you pull those up? I did give me bring the breakdown though. Yeah, so It's was against what I thought as well So if you had a quarter million dollars in a house in houses, yeah, you would have four point one million dollars today Okay, so that's sixteen X if you had a quarter million dollars in oil You would have five point five million dollars today, which is twenty two X if you had two hundred fifty thousand dollars in gold You'd have twelve point three seven five million dollars today, which is forty nine point five X Wow So you look at gold in 1970 was thirty five dollars and ninety six cents an ounce and Today it's seventeen seventy nine eighty and obviously if you had cash we would you'd be worth less and cash Yeah, you would have Basically not and at the bet by the way at the best so all those things you said I think sixteen was the lowest sixteen X Even so even if you invested your cash in like the best CD in the world back then which was probably around six to eight Garbage yeah, even that would still be way way Now let me speculate on the sum of this then right so oil At one point I think would have surpassed gold But the difference is that in with oil we had new technologies like fracking which made like for example We thought I don't know if you guys knew this but scientists and environmental, you know environmentalists said hey We're gonna run out of oil. We're gonna hit peak oil in the early 80s. This was actually a big deal and they talked about this We're gonna run out of oil. It's gonna fuck everything up. We need oil. This is a terrible disaster just waiting to happen The it never happened because in fact today We have more oil available to us now than we did in the 1970s Even though there's way more people on earth and we're using more oil And it's because of technologies like fracking and other technologies where we have access to more oil So the price didn't explode like they like I thought it would and we obviously didn't run out of oil Houses, I can't really explain that one Gold I'm a suit what gold is limited. They're not mining more of it necessarily. That's what came off the gold standard, too Yeah, so Yeah, so that's only that's when we came on there is one there is one component That's missing to that that would would make me say that real estate still is number one Because that what that doesn't factor in is of all those ones that one could be cash flowing you So you got a gold is just sitting there, right? So it's so let's say you bought the house For so we said a quarter million. So say let's say that actually bought at which a quarter million dollar house back in 1970 It was probably a pretty nice fucking house. Oh, that'd be amazing, right? Yeah, so that house could be getting rented out that entire time And so you'd have to actually add that cash in addition to that and what else that could have done with that That's right So the house still wins in my opinion of all those and the reason why I went down this because we you and I We're talking about how sad it is right now that a lot of people I don't even know really understand this that if you have let's say you've worked really hard for the last You know 20 years of your life to save let's say a hundred grand in your bank account now Sitting in that a bank right now It is losing money at the end of the year like rapidly on average at the end of the year your 100,000 is worth 90 or less depending on what you buy with it and that's assuming you got it in some like a money market account Where you're even getting a percent or something on yeah, you're still going to lose and so simply parking it in something Like one of these investments you would be far better off than sitting it just now the thing with property That's interesting too is that's median, right? So that's average. That's not the average That's the middle-priced house of all houses. Yes and now and as we know real estate is all about location Yeah, imagine if you took two hundred fifty thousand dollars and invested it in Manhattan or New York or San Jose right back in 1970 that's not a fair way to compete Yeah, fair way just to say what the median median house was at that time I've made a comment that two hundred fifty thousand dollars If you had it in 1970 and compared to today still two hundred fifty thousand dollars unless of course you got an interest Yeah, but what so but yeah, well exactly so I don't know what say you got five percent I don't know what that work out to be but it's probably not the best thing to put your money into cash investments But I was gonna make one comment here on gold. I'm not gold on oil This year the opening price was forty seven dollars and sixty two cents and now it's seventy five oh four Yeah, so a single year. We've seen it jump up a lot Now you said something off air and I wanted are you comfortable talking to me a little bit about the oil thing because I was also listening to the rich dad podcast Robert Kiyosaki and I was you know, he's famous for you know making millions of dollars and not paying taxes because he's constantly reinvesting and and one of the things that they he's aggressively reinvesting in right now is oil and not just oil barrels, but oil wells because there's a massive deduction from the government from that like I think you say they invest a million and he gets 400,000 back on the write-off not to mention that that oil that that well eventually could produce Tons of oil which then could also produce money which also could go up and so just sounded like a brilliant investment I said that to you Doug and you actually piped in real quick and so well You can get fucked into doing that also and I guess you you did this I did this around 2000 I invested in a couple speculative wells and You know according to the information I had at the time. These were supposed to be kind of sure things I was obviously a novice didn't know anything about it So I put some money into it and come to find out both the wells ended up being dry And I lost every penny I put so I had I had a few clients that did the same thing So so the reason why there's such huge tax breaks and credits with oil is they often don't produce oil So they're trying to encourage people to find more oil and the cost of setting it up and the wells and the process is quite Expensive so it's a risky now if it pays off It pays off and you do really well So I know somebody who paid off really well for he'd taken two million dollars He's just checks down in Mexico. Yeah, and yeah Then he's he's like getting like millions of dollars every year now from that initial like two million dollar investment And he's I mean he's filthy rich literally off of that one big move that he did so But I hadn't heard somebody getting fucked like that where they went in and they did Did something like that and then it ends up being a dry So I had four clients that did it three of them got nothing and one of them Jim You know Jim he was getting one of the wells that he invested in started to pay him checks And he would just get a check in the mail. Yeah 10 grand 15 grand. That's how this guy would depending on how much so So that's any time you see like huge tax credits You got to see okay, why are they doing this and you know what that's anytime you see huge tax Credits like that that's because the government wants you to go invest money for that for their benefit Right, that's why they so we don't have to go other places. They can get it from here So they incentivize people in the US to go do that so I you know I totally understand why they incentivize you to do it man speaking of like all this investments and properties and you know back In the 70s where you know so I was I went to go see my grand my grandfather now is 90 and We were hanging out a little bit and talking about what it was like when he came when he first came to San Jose So he came to San Jose I Want to say early 70s or late 60s like all orchards and farmland Yeah, so this is so so San Jose Silicon Valley right now But back then it was all farmland in the far and it was all farmland because they grew the they grew the food that they Would provide to the I guess the Naval base up in San Francisco So it was all farmland all whatever and he was telling me about his house that he still owns now It's in San Jose. It's probably worth 1.7 1.8 which is a Decent house in San Jose. It's not super big. It's just like average, you know, larger track home. Yeah, track home But he told me how he chose to buy it and there was another house that he almost bought and the one that he chose was $1,500 more and you remember he's telling me the story. And by the way, I think he paid like $21,000 for something like that and he's like he remembers how much he struggled to make the decision to spend another $1,500 yeah on a house and then what he did to pay for this house because remember he came from Sicily was very poor lived in Venezuela for a while to try to make money as well He worked as a custodian at a school and then he would clean movie theaters at night So he would go to work come home at 4 he would eat my grandma would have food for him 7 o'clock or 8 o'clock at night or sometimes, you know 10 or 11 o'clock at night when some of these theaters would close He would go over there and he'd clean them and whatever and he this is how he worked for years to pay for this mortgage on a $21,000 house, which is really crazy. Is this your grandfather that you introduced Ned to oh, yes So so he's obviously older and is he's always at the age now was health is starting to climb and so sleep is getting a little worse And he's got pain. He's you have arthritis and everything. Yeah, and you know, he's such an independent My grandfather's a horse literally he's just so strong and so independent and The shutdowns affected him and my grandma tremendously. I remember this is kind of sad, but their health wasn't bad And I remember they were isolated for like six months or eight months because everybody was scared We don't want to give them, you know, COVID or whatever So we would drop groceries off at the front and food at the front Nobody would see them when we finally, you know started seeing them again Their health had declined so quickly and I know it was because they were isolated and away from their families And and you could see the huge decline. Well, anyway, it's been like that a little bit and so he's just he's not doing so Well, he's he's more tired. I've never seen my grandfather like this He's the kind of guy that he would do all his yard work at 88 years old and so I introduced him to Ned and I said here try this out and he goes is this the weed. So no This is the weed. It's legal. So don't worry, you know, give it a He's funny, right? He wasn't gonna do it if it was the weed, right? So say here you could try this out Anyway, he tries is that tries it out and a week later, you know He he facetimes me which is hilarious my my grandfather now knows how to use FaceTime And he facetimed me and he's got like he's emotional. He's an emotional man So he's got a little bit of a tear and he goes so much older. I'm like, yeah, what's up? No, no, you know, how's it going? He goes, I like it. You bring me another bottle I said, yeah, I'll bring you more. Don't worry about it. I like it. Make me feel good. I said good I'll bring you some more I feel like it'd be like a really fucked up prank to like all of us get dressed and like black attire and stuff like that And like kick the door down and be like, where's the weed at all? He would that would be a terror. He would shoot you with a gun that would be a terrible prank would backfire We know you have it You pull the trigger before you I've seen him. He's so funny when I was younger I was in high school and there were these high school kids so he's like takes so much pride in his in his Fruit plants and all his trees and whatever and I swear to God This is this is an Italian thing So anybody watching who has like old-school Italian family knows this they could have the smallest yard Every square inch of that yard is growing something and it's tomatoes and pomegranates But anyway, he even used the front yard this way So every little square inch he's growing food, but you know the front yard if people walk by on the sidewalk and they see Oh, I'm gonna pick a lemon and these used to fucking piss him off, dude So I remember I was I was a I was probably a junior in high school My cousin sep and I were over there and we hear my grandfather outside just going off So we run out there and there's these like high school kids our age who had picked a few lemons And so I'm like telling him it's Sicilian. I'm like, don't you're gonna get in trouble Look the other kids, you know, you know, so they leave and so my grandfather looks at us And he goes you're right I get in trouble if I do something goes if they pick again you and you you and your cousin I want you to beat him up. Okay, I said no I'm not gonna be But I don't I didn't say that so because you got mad so I said all right Well, don't worry. We'll take care of it next time. I'm like I looked at my cousin We gotta make sure these kids take his fruit do either one of you guys have somebody in your family That's like as it as into business and economics and stuff like that as you guys are that are older wiser Like do you guys have that in your family at all? Anybody, you know in my family nobody I have a lot of I have a lot of sales people and a lot of entrepreneurs But because they're so old-school they their mentality was very much work hard spend little and save So I never learned investments. I don't learn how to buy properties I don't learn any of that so I learned the basics, but I never learned anything Well, I take that back on Courtney's side since they're my family now right there's like her brother and then My brother-in-law to the other one that's married to her sister Very much into like financial investments and just killing it And so I'm always like riffing with them at what they're doing like where they're parking their money Do you have people in your family with that dog? I do my nephews are really into it Oh, your nephew. Yeah, one of my nephews is actually really into crypto I should actually talk to him more about that but my sister, you know, she's really into it as well She's always calling me up and talking about different things that she's into so it's great when you're a kid And you grow up around it I think you learn it you know because I don't learn it So I want to build that for my family, right? I was just gonna say it's gonna be so good because your your son's gonna learn from you some really great because I learned what do you learn this otherwise you don't learn it in school now I do take it back my cousins who are my age are all Finance I have so many family members that are financial advisors and they do investments But the older generation all they did was start businesses save money Yeah, you have a thread going with some of your cousins and stuff that that's all it is right just stock talk and business stuff Right, you want to know how funny is to I piss them off so bad because I'm not a financial advisor I'm nothing and I've made a few stock picks. I'll see rubbing their face. Oh, and they talk shit about them They've talked shit about crush them with it. Yeah, and I always bring them up, you know, anytime they bring up advice I don't know if I'll take you all the wins there. Yeah, like shut up, you know, I know that hub spot better yours, man That was one of the best ones That was your still salty And Sal sent me a nice gift right here's 50 bucks of your hub spot you wanted the other day for my son Motherfucker By the way that pissed me off we bought we bought them that for Christmas. Yeah, was it stockpile? Yeah, yeah, and they were supposed to send it to you on Christmas stupid. They sent you that Oh, I didn't know you could do that where you could like time it. Oh, yeah interesting stupid You get it on. Yeah, I know I got it. I got a randomly like last week. I got like this I was like, hey, did you mean to send max $50 towards hub spot right now? And he's like, yes, that was supposed to be for Christmas or like that Now you get another gift, dude, so Came early so annoying. Hey real quick. 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Are there advantages and different disadvantages to both for lifts such as squats deadlifts cleans, etc? You know, it's funny about that as you think like oh, it's ways the same as no But if you really break it down, there's a little bit of a difference There's absolutely a little bit of a difference to it and I also I forget, you know, we're so we're surface area That's for sure Well, we're so into this space for so long that you forget like if you were entering into I would ask that question Right, like like why are these people using rubber? You know these bumper plates that bounce and why are these other ones using iron and you know, is there a vantage to We're still in shirts like the Olympic style. I mean, yeah, I mean, I prefer I prefer certain ones for certain things Yeah, so yeah, so I think I think I think for specific exercises ones are more valuable I like I like iron and steel plates for almost all lifts Mainly because I like the feel and the sound and it just it's nostalgic for me But if I'm gonna do something off the ground if I'm gonna do something where I'm dropping away for sure I want bumper plates, but if it's off the ground a deadlift I like bumper plates because even when I put the weight down I like to have a little bit of bounce because the metal plates are just so jarring and so loud I'll tell you the plates. I don't like Which I remember the gone place. Yes Every 20 for our fitness to it became a big thing in that the whole thing was oh, they don't roll You know, but you do anything off the ground is dangerous So you put a deadlift down with hex gum plates on one sides over here one sides over there It yeah, it definitely throws off your entire trajectory of your bar path the bumper plates The other thing I liked about them when they first came out was that the lighter plates were the same size as the Have your plates. See you look strong. Yeah, I got five plates on the bar Honestly, I think there's something to that though for you know, some especially beginner intermediate lifters. It's like it's Feel like such a complete was yeah, you know, it's funny though. How many times have you heard this? I've actually seen memes like this where people are like I don't care what you say the metal plates are heavier than the bumper. Oh some people swear by they do well I mean you can make a case for like Old-war rubber plates if you're slamming them on the ground, they're gonna chip a little bit and the rubber will fray But I mean an ounce The other thing too is with bumper plates you can fit less of them on the bar So like like for example if I'm gonna do a deadlift or a hip thrust something where I can use quite a bit of weight I can't go past. I think five plates Oh, that's that's the main reason why I like competition plates with the steel inserts instead So you get sort of that hybrid where you can load They stay skinny and they're pretty standardized. So each plate is almost like the same width But yeah, because it's so annoying if you're trying to do anything from the ground and it's like you get to four of those bumper Those rubber plates and it's you're done Especially the one here's the other ones I hate the the ones that back in the day the crossfitters would post which were they were not just rubber They were huge like they put like and they were 10 pounds or 15 pounds They were this fat and it's like, you know five plates on each side. It's only you know, 95 pounds. Yeah, I think I because I'm not really I'm not doing a lot of Olympic type of moves like maybe Justin might do more of this like the only thing I'm really doing off the ground with The barbell is the deadlift and I actually just like the first one a bumper plate So you could actually do the first one a bumper plate and then the rest iron because the bumper plates are normally just a tad bit bigger Yeah, and that's all you need so when you slam it it slams the bumper and and you get that iron clinging sound that you like You know, which I agree. I like that same sure for Olympic lifts Like I want everything as close to me as possible like with that width It's just so clunky, you know to have the weight distributed way outside my body that okay That's a great point right so it will change the feel of the exercise because the weight starts to extend out Past with a longer. I notice this is what I so I notice I like squatting definitely with the skinny Iron the skinnier the plate because it is close to my body and when it's all out there It tends to have this more kind of Bouncies left to right so I do 100% for squat 100% It's a lot of this is based off a feel like the okay So yes, definitely bumper plates if you're dropping the weights on the floor. It's safer It's not gonna break or make a crazy amount of noise and get thrown out of the gym Yeah, but there is a feel Aspect right like like for example, I remember years ago I went to this old iron dungeon gym and it had the and I didn't realize how old this equipment It was until later when I became more educated on what how equipment changed over the years But this place literally had Dumbbells and barbells where the dumbbell had to handle and then the ends were round iron balls Like these must have been dumbbells from the 50s and 60s and they had barbells that were like that So and I didn't like the feel as much because the weight came out and it just felt different versus when they would have the The plates or whatever then later on of course you'd work out with the one with plates It was like caveman dumbbells. Yeah, I've seen those crazy really weird and they had barbells like that They had this rack with barbells lined up on it And they were all big round, you know cannonball ends on the barbells and it was really weird So old-timey it was and not only was it like that. I remember this to the handles So rather than having a thick right? Well, well, there was one like that But they instead of just having a you know, the straight bar all the way across It was the bar and then there were like There were like places where you're supposed to put your hands Now what I don't like about that was if you went wider or more narrow It was kind of weird and if like half your hand was on the handle It wouldn't feel very good. So you could tell that they crew when they created these they were like There's some of the first weights, you know It's so funny to see like if you look back like how much technology has influenced now and upgraded a lot of just regular fitness equipment Like even barbells, you know the ones that like spin and the ones that have flex in them And you know like the Texas bars and some of those Olympic bars now like I I love that like I love like how they've Innovated a very simple thing like a barbell. Now. Do you guys have a favorite types of barbells and dumbbells and just for yourself? I really like what were the what was the brand that? Ben picolsky had at his gym. Oh, yeah, I really liked those that those kind of with it like a chrome chrome weights or whatever Yeah, those dumbbells felt really good. Yeah, do you remember the name of the brand Doug? I'm looking them up right now Yeah, he'll you know what I really like that he had to So back in the day The first incline benches that were invented was a bench that was inclined But you didn't sit on anything you stood up against it and the way that people would work out is you would have to clean a weight So there was no rack right so you clean the weight and then you'd lay back On this incline do your press and come forward and of course the limiting factor was like how much you could clean right Later on they invented the incline bench that you sat in with the rack Now what he had what picolsky had which I love was a combination of both So you could stand back and have the rack if you've ever done an incline press where you get to stand and plant Your feet your feet into it. Oh the feeling is so much better. I really like it because it's actually it's really challenging for me I'm still not good at that technique with really Grounding and using my leg my leg drive. I just I'm still not good at it Like I have to actively get into the bench press and really think about loading my legs To end and using them or otherwise I've trained myself for so long of not using my legs in the bench press that that's something where When you're in that it forces that because you're standing up on them, right? So they're you are already naturally in that position where you know when you do a bench press your legs are kind of Wrap kind of behind you and you're trying to do that just doesn't feel As I don't feel like I can drive as well as I am when I'm standing up. So I really like that That's why I like it. You you you activate your cns and you're much tighter with that Is that the brand? I think it might be it's Watson gym equipment From the uk. There's a free plug. Yeah free plug for you guys. Yeah. Yeah send some more away Yeah, it feels really good, you know, since we're on the topic. I like this is a fun topic for me Machines do you guys have a favorite brand of machines that you you've ever used hammer strings? Yeah, I like hammer strings Really like it just because it's it's got like the plate loaded And I just like the different angles they use a lot more so than Some of the other but I mean even there was some at what was that gym at the scion gym I'm trying to remember moist is really cool too The what they've done now with like leverage. I think those are pretty neat. Very interesting. Yeah, but I still I so I I don't necessarily have a favorite brand But I do have favorite machines within a specific brand for example the nautilus old school nautilus chain Not cable. I use the chain pullover machine I have yet to ever use a pullover machine that feels like that and nautilus had a couple pieces of equipment They had this really awkward tricep extension machine You'd have to squeeze in Like this and put your elbows on these pads And then the top was like this and it was you also use the chain But oh my god, it was uh, it was like simulating a skull crusher It was a great tricep exercise And you won't find them with the chain anymore because I'm sure somebody got their finger in there. Probably lost their Lester hand at some point Next question is from braden kill gore. What is your favorite most fun program to run? Oh, yeah, yeah, what do you guys? Okay, so Doug's anabolic. I think you you always go back to anabolic always go back. I I I would say Since we've been together. I have ran a Maps aesthetic maps performance has a baby program. That's like I I meld the two of them together Aesthetic is is notoriously my favorite. I just like that's just it It's the way I like to train the most it's always based off of how you train right So so I'm obviously I'm biased right but I know how valuable Mobility is and actually doing some of the movements that we've included in performance So I tend to follow our programming around aesthetic and then I intermittently Use things from performance and maybe a little bit of strong because there's some stuff in strong I really like but that's I would say like my it's really funny about that We're gonna have like very similar responses. So my mind is definitely Performance is is where I come back to you quite a bit But I use trigger sessions instead Instead of the mobility sessions only because the mobility part I've I've dealt like I dived into that for You know, it's not a weakness here. It's just yeah, it's what I always do anyway Uh, and so I just I remember just doing the trigger sessions and that just blew my mind about You know how responsive my muscles were and how stronger I felt going back into the Regular workouts throughout the week. So I was like I I just love to incorporate those whenever I can Yeah, I really of course maps in a ball like I like that loved aesthetic and split But one program surprised me because I followed it Mainly just because I want to follow programs that we write especially when we're creating with other people Just to see, you know, the nuances and what I want to change or whatever Map strong Surprised me because I run that every now that it's not it's not like bodybuilder centric I like that bodybuilder style workout. It's not really like that But I got such great gains In muscle from following map strong and I was doing so many movements that I normally don't uh do in my workouts And it was phenomenal and it's the one that we tend to get a lot of feedback from people We're like, oh my god, I built my back got bigger or my butt, you know, I built my butt on that program Now right now I'm working on a and I don't I don't know what this will be called But it's kind of an anabolic 2.0. That's just but nothing's out whatever I'm just kind of letting that out that it's something I'm working on And uh, I'm in I'm incorporating different aspects. It's a little more advanced version of Anabolic I was also surprised. I I really enjoyed uh running our maps power lift maps power lift The first time I'd ever like trained that way before where I was like focused on the big lifts only and just kind of improving those And uh, I mean, it's very well written. Uh, it just I think with ben and us riding a program together I think that was a great uh collaboration And that program was a program that that one also gets a lot of good Yeah, I was surprised by the game. I wish I remember. I know I haven't written somewhere. Um, your squat exploded everything did ever I mean, I was I was really surprised. I wasn't anticipating that me you've been lifting as long as we've been lifting You understand programming as well as we understand programming. So whenever I do anything I don't uh today I don't like expect like major gain like gaining five or 10 pounds in a lift is kind of a big deal Sure, you know and I saw a significantly more weight than that increased Is your squat one of like 30 pounds? Yeah, my squat went up quite. I think it was 30 or 50 actually My bench went up a good 25 to 30 pounds. So everything kind of went up on that It was a really and because I remember where I was now granted I wasn't uh at the peak of my like training and I wasn't at I wasn't already in pr place I was coming back from like not training as consistently. So you got to you got to take take away some of that, right? But all in all that was that one really surprised me that one that program surprised me I really liked that one But if I'm if I would say with my favorite because I is is aesthetic like so mostly Following the aesthetic layout with a blend of of probably performance and there's what what mine are Next question is from Mo strength gains How much of a difference do maces and ending clubs make for joint stability? Oh, this is a lot that makes a big difference It does and you and I never use these ever until meeting Justin And then I started messing and truth be told I don't use them all the time But I have used them, you know for weeks, uh, you know week stints or three week stints And my best guess and I'd love your input on this Justin My best guess as to why made my joints feel so good Is because there is no resistant no traditional resistance training movement that That really emulates that circular Motion that's required the momentum that you're controlling while you're moving away, which is very much like deceleration Yeah, all of that are components that the muscle is You know contracting and accounting for And you have to be fluid with it too So you have it's it's almost like you got to know when to tense and turn on the muscle and then also release and and Allow for that free flowing movement Which then too to control it is is the other portion of it. So to stabilize, you know movement is Challenging for for the muscle to account for so it challenges a lot of what is Uh your programming typically is devoid of And what's really cool about it is instead of just Body weight where we always think of body weight with mobility, right? And that's something that it's very impactful. It's effective, but then sort of we just move on, right? And it's funny because I accidentally posted Like me doing some rotational movement with weight and And this was on like Instagram and it was like one of those feeds where it just you know, anybody can comment on it That's not a fan or doesn't follow us or whatever And I was getting all this grieve like rotational movements are stupid, you know And it's like I'm like, are you kidding me? Like obviously, you know, this was some jabroni out there that has never actually taken the time to to work and develop the skill it requires and What's cool about it? What I'm getting at is that you can actually progress and be able to do more Load and you can get stronger with these movements And that's I I went through that whole process And got to a place where I can do that with substantial weight that I could swing around That beforehand if I picked it up, I'd be worried that something was going to break or something was going to give way Uh, so I became pretty much of an evangelist for these because I I just found out that was a strength I didn't know I could develop that also translated really well to stationary, you know bilateral movements and Um, you know, especially bench press and overhead press it it helped substantially I'll tell you what um I loved about this and I you know after Justin because I didn't do it at all until we all met And I went on that kick on my mobility kick for that, you know, two years or whatever it was And during that time I also started to to learn how to use the indian clubs in the mace the mace bell And the thing that I loved about it, especially when you're doing it in conjunction with correctional work and like body weight mobility stuff Is once I I I had worked on like the thoracic and shoulder mobility and got it to a a healthy place Then all I had to do was just swing the club or the mace around for a little while So once I got to a place where now I was in in a better, uh, you know Advantages position for my shoulders and my neck and spine and okay, I've done all this I just need to turn the muscles on. Yeah, I did all this laborious Because let's be honest I think the reason why most people don't stick with mobility is it's very laborious So you're sitting down and you're doing these like active stretches All the time for long and it just you know, I know a lot of people that do it for a while And they just kind of fall off and I was really religious about it for those two years And then I started to advance it by getting into the clubs and the mace And what I found was oh, shit now that I'm here and my joints have good mobility All I need to do is grab that sucker before I go to my workout And it's fun It's a lot more fun swinging a mace club or an indian club right because there's a flow to it And it's kind of dynamic and you can increase the weight and actually progress it So it kind of makes me feel like i'm lifting even though i'm not like totally lifting like traditionally Right. Yeah, it feels cool, right But now all I have to like I don't have to do the wall circles and the handcuff with rotation So long as I get in there and I do my mace swings and my indian clubs So it's more fun. It feels like it's faster to get to that place. I can progress it with the weight now And it's uh, so to me that was like the most attractive part about it was getting introduced to it While I was learning to uh to work on my mobility and now all I have to do is that it's a lot like how I talk about my 90 90 and combat stretch I had to do that and that was extremely laborious and I It took me a long time to get there But now that I'm there all I got to do is do like a deep squat as long as I'm squatting really deep I I keep all those all those joints, you know Mobile and able to take to that range of motion where I feel like that's the same thing with the mace And the indian clubs is if you do the work And and you get to a place where you could actually Safely swing it well, then that's all you got to do to now you've established the strength and control Yes, you know and again to to be able it's just like when we talk about like mind muscle connection First you got to get the connection and that's what the mobility piece really provides But now you got to strengthen that and this is a way to progressively strengthen that and so yeah You can get to a point where you just pick up the club or you know the mace bell and and you can stimulate the muscles And then it contributes to the workout. Yeah, the mace works the core like nothing else A heavy mace swinging it behind your back. You're you're getting incredible whore workout But you know, it's what's interesting is you know earlier in this in this podcast We talked about Anecdote right and the value of it when it's been around for a long time Indian clubs and mace Exercises have been around for just as long as is dumbbells and barbells And maybe even longer especially mace right because you could probably go back and trace Mace training gada. I believe the yeah back in uh, India. Yeah a lot of the wrestlers used it I mean you could technically go and trace back mace style training to like medieval times when they were swinging big swords and having to practice then And so when you find that people have found tremendous value over long periods of time of with training modalities Now you have what's called training wisdom, right now. What's funny is that some really smart marketers Saw this old equipment decided to bring it back, which was brilliant That's actually a very smart strategy go back find some old training techniques that were valued Bring them forward now. They look like they're new training techniques Even though they were they've been you know tried and true for a long time And you'll prove you know provided tremendous amount of value just like povel did with the the kettlebells, right? Tremendous value in Indian clubs and in maces incorporate those in your workouts and they're going to provide to you Value that you won't typically get out of traditional resistance training So that's really the value is like, okay Why is it so effective? Because I can't think of a traditional resistance training exercise that that is even close to Doing the same thing. It's that different right, but it's still resistance training. So that's kind of the beauty of it Next question is from lean h 17 Is chronic stress a strong enough of a component to keep someone from achieving their fitness goals? Good question. Yeah, okay. Let's let's kind of let's break that down for a second Is something that has been proven to dramatically increase inflammatory markers or inflammation To increase all-cause mortality increased risk of heart disease cancer insulin issues like sensitivity issues diabetes Raises cortisol lowers testosterone causes hormone imbalances of women Could that possibly affect your results again when you fray when you frame it like that, of course Well, that's why I did that because I know but it's like someone asking like if you drive a hundred miles an hour Are are you really likely to die and it's like well when you say it way more likely? Yeah, exactly And then if you frame it like well if you're driving like an asshole with your eyes closed at a hundred miles an hour on Rainy roads like you got your well. Look the bottom line is that? That exercises stress on your body and if you're already high stress throwing more stress at your body Now you're not going to respond whatsoever and your body does some interesting things when it's under a lot of stress When it's under a lot of stress it is trying to Survive and protect itself. So what does it do? It raises cortisol. What's so bad about cortisol? Nothing is bad about cortisol. You need it But when it's this is what it does it releases energy. So you burn more energy It makes you not want to build muscle because building muscle means now your body requires more calories So uh, we don't want to do that It'll encourage fat storage because fat storage is like your insurance And it can it can lower your libido because why should I throw your hormone profile off all of that? Yeah, right. So and that's just that's just cortisol, right? Um, why would it lower testosterone? Well, if my body's under a lot of stress Why would it want me to procreate or be driven to procreate like this? Not let's not make that happen right and women you see other imbalances stress is a big one And it's it will crush your gains if your stress is too high It would absolutely destroy your body's ability to build muscle or even burn body And even if you're if you're seeing results in spite of it too, it's gonna dramatically slow it down and and and gains and and uh Recompening your body is is a slow process already Yeah, like it's not an overnight thing to change your body composition. So it's already this Long slow grind to get to your goal as it is if you throw chronic stress on top of that I mean Even just making it 10 or 20 percent worse is a lot and the and that I think that is I think be honest with you I think chronic stress Is probably one of the main culprits that causes people to quit Because they feel like they're doing the right things because they're reducing calories and they're training their body really hard But then they're not seeing the results. They're not getting they're not getting the return on their investment They feel like they're putting all this working But what they don't realize is they already have so much chronic stress in their life And they don't recognize that the way they exercise is also considered a stress And the one they're probably choosing is like the worst type of stress For their body considering all the other things they're stressing And so here they are putting in all this work And I know there's somebody listening right now that could totally relate to this You're sweating your ass all in your work You're you're consistent four or five days a week all the time you make good food choices And your body just is not changing and a lot of times the culprit is stress because you are just taking it from all other ends And because we look at exercise and diet as healthy and good for us You those both can be a stress eating in a calorie deficit is a stress right training your body Hell of hard is a stress and if you're adding that on top of a very stressful life You'll stall the fuck out of your very strong signal. Yes, it's it's a defensive signal to your body You know to preserve things right at all costs so You know sort of in this famine state where you know if I'm consuming something I want to make sure I I have adequate energy to to to move forward with and so, you know That's a strong signal your body are produces to keep you alive So, you know, it is a part of the equation for sure Yeah, now it is important to to know that stress isn't bad It's not it's also not good. It's it could be either and it's essential, right? So they've done studies on quality of life and meaning and purpose And what do they find when people do things that are more challenging? That cause more stress for example have kids If you decide to have children you can 100 percent bet that your stress is going to increase But you can also this is according to the literature Bet that your quality that your sense of meaning and purpose will also increase So studies will show that stress is essential to a meaningful life stress tells your body to Improve and strengthen Not having any stress would make you very weak And you know, you would be more susceptible to disease. This is why hot cold contrast Oh, my health improves when I do that. Well, you're stressing the body and causing it to strengthen Here's the other thing that we're not considering How chronic stress even if it did none of those things So let's just imagine in a magic world where chronic stress didn't have Negative effects physiologically on you. It still affects your behaviors So you can you will see that when people are chronically stressed They're more likely to make poor food choices for example. So I'm more likely to self medicate with Sweet foods or junk food or things that I normally wouldn't choose or alcohol, right? I'm more likely to do those things chronic stress Is could potentially make me more likely to choose inappropriate exercise for my body So what I tend to see with clients Is people who are chronically stressed will do one of two things with exercise either one They'll choose the form of exercise. That's too hard for them Why because that extra cortisol makes them feel better in the moment, right? So the chronically stressed person that I'm most likely to do the spin classes and the orange theory and the circuit type training Or it makes you not want to do anything. Oh, I can't even think straight I want to do nothing and so you're you're more you're you're less likely to choose Appropriate types of workouts for your body. You're more likely to choose foods That are unhealthy that aren't going to serve your fitness and health goals So even if chronic stress had no effect on you physiologically It 100 for sure has an effect on you Behaviorally, so what's the key to all of this? I think key number one is to be aware and then to Help to place a little focus on management of stress and well, all right. What does that look like? Well, you could do things that offset it like turn off Electronics and get off social media. By the way, this is a big one like I was talking to I was I can't say who this person was But I was talking to somebody Who this is what they specialize in and they work with people and they work through, you know stress They're like a therapist, right? And they said one of the number one things they do when they Work with people have lots of anxiety stress. It's an easy first step is he says I tell people to Not go on social media and not watch the news just for a couple weeks Just to see how you feel. So that's one stress management Strategy another one is gratitude Gratitude man that makes a big Difference this this is probably why parents again with kids who are more stressed less time spend more money Most parents if you tell them, hey, would you trade your kids for you know, not having them anymore? They'd say no Because they also bring this tremendous amount of gratitude. So it it it reframes all those things It makes them worthwhile and valuable. So I think that's another strategy Yeah, because you can get caught in that loop of just constantly focusing on You know either what you don't have or what's not working and then and just keep reinforcing that same thought process Which then just perpetuates More stress to to be accumulated as a result. Totally. 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