 Welcome to the interview TV news! This was already day 2 of interview 2021 and interview's Wednesday was a real restart kickoff in fact. Despite the corona requirements and hygiene rules, there was and still is a real genuine trade fair feeling in the halls in Hannover today. So extensive conversations, happy get togethers and getting up to date where one stands and goes. So trade show, it's fun again. And now let's switch to my colleague Leonard from the social media team who is also doing something exciting today and is about to do a live podcast in one of the virtual exhibitor rooms on the digital platform. Thank you Denise. My highlight of the day is the live podcast I will do now together with Bruno Krenzky, the Brazilian intergeo and surveying intergeoist and his good friend Kent Grove. Kent Grove is the owner of the one and only surveying podcast and he's from Arizona. So we never met in person but we will meet now on the intergeo measuring masters booth and we'll do a live podcast with a lot of people from different countries and we all are super happy to talk about the intergeo topics. You will find the podcast later on the measuring masters YouTube channel and also on the geoholics podcast channels. So I'm super happy and can't wait to see the full result. And now back to Denise and I will join the podcast. Our topics today are personalities of the surveying. I really hope to enjoy the podcast which will come out next Sunday. I would like to welcome to the intergeo TV studio Dr. Ilka Mai from Lock Lab Consulting. Hello Ilka, nice to have you here. Hi Dennis. Yeah it's I guess the last time we saw each other was a year ago at intergeo digital 2020 and yeah how have you been since then busy or how was your year? The weird was weird I think for everyone it's been a difficult and challenging time. Luckily we were quite busy or we still are really busy and it's been a good year for us because less travel for me personally meant that all of a sudden I have more time to think. So we're quite excited that with Lock Lab now we are moving or we're making a major next step into a new product, into a new market and we will hopefully be able to launch that very soon. Okay. So all in all for us as a firm and for me personally it's been a really good year. Perfect, I used the time very well. But Ilka I would like to introduce you to our audience and to our viewers here of intergeo TV because Dr Ilka Mai is an expert on digital twins and on digitalization in the construction sector and during several years of professional experience in the UK she has provided strategic and operational support to major projects and organizations and in 2015 Ilka Mai was instrumental in the development of the step-by-step plan digital planning and building in Germany as a digital plan and since 2016 Ilka Mai has been co-chair of the U-BIM task group and association of the largest public sector client organizations in Europe for the introduction of BIM. So Ilka how do you see the digitalization of the construction industry? Where do we stand in your view in Germany or in Europe? Okay there are a couple of really positive things that we start to see happening. So one is we definitely see much more awareness definitely more awareness around BIM but about digitalization in the construction sector as such that's good. We also see that the market and the supply chain is now starting to build the capacity to deliver projects in BIM etc so we see more and more people adopting new technologies and new processes and also and that's personally I think that's really important that we now see a wider adoption of digital technologies not only in design and construction but also now in operation and maintenance so what we call the whole life cycle of an asset that's now slowly starting to happen so that's all the positive things that I'm seeing. There are a few less positive things as well still I do see a disconnect on projects when some people say okay are we doing the project in the traditional way or are we doing it in a BIM way that shouldn't be after such a long time we should see we deliver projects and we adopt new processes new technology digital technologies we have a different way of how we produce data how we manage data but there shouldn't be that disconnect any longer between or are we doing it in the traditional way that doesn't exist anymore. Yeah it's just if somebody is saying or decides to say we're now going to do BIM so this means what processes and steps are involved in that decision for example. Yeah and that's exactly where a lot of people that embark on this journey to BIM. We do it now. Fair enough that's all right it's a decision that's good. What do I do? What kind of program? Yeah exactly and then that's what usually happens so what software do I need and which training do I need to send my staff to? Okay fair enough but then you start talking about so how do you change your existing core processes in your business? How do you adopt your maybe integrated management system? How do you ensure governance over data security over data and procurement rules for example and all of that when you start talking to people about so what do you do about that and they look at you and completely blank and say why I want to do BIM what's this to do with procurement? Well a lot especially when you're client when you're client side so and that's that needs to happen as well and a lot of people tend to overlook all these changes which are required when we really want to move into a digital way of procuring projects delivering projects and operating assets in the future. Wow so Eka ever since I know you you've talked about BIM integrated BIM very early you gave lectures and you gained really experience with it and yeah what do you think makes BIM the only alternative and why does only BIM lead the construction industry in the future? It depends a little bit my answer is my understanding of BIM is really it is part of digitizing the entire sector it is really not just a tool for design and constructing something it's bigger than that and if we think of BIM as a very standardized way then it forces us to think about standards processes and about the whole lot and that's why I think we have to go through that first and that's why in many countries including in Germany the EU BIM task group etc we always take this phased approach and we say okay let's define a first level of complexity and just ask and start with a selection of things that we do properly and we do all together before we move on to the next level of complexity and I think this is that's exactly the right way to do and BIM as I say forces us to do it in a more structured way in a more standardized way so that we can take the entire supply chain and market along on that journey and we don't lose people because we are doing it in a very unorganized way maybe dominated by very few big players in the market and lose all the smaller ones. Wow okay so last year you talked about breaking down the silos so the silos open the data and we talked about that last time at interview 2020 where we were only on the digital platform and has that improved since we talked last year? That's really an interesting one and that topic is far too big to see major improvements just within one year especially when you can't travel and you can't really see what's happening. Still we do have or many organizations operate very much in silos and they have their data locked up in silos but at the very beginning of our conversation I talked about the exciting next step for Locklub and that's exactly what we're doing we're trying to provide a 3D model as the integration basis of all the siloed information that sits within various systems could be real-time data, sensor data, your work orders, your asset management data it's always locked away somewhere by integrating that and giving people a secure but also intuitive access to that data through a contextual 3D model which provides spatial information and a lot of context where is it what is not similar to GIS but now in a proper three-dimensional world that has a massive incredible power to unlock these silos and create the horizontal layer and platform. So you will bring the revolution for it on the market on your side? Definitely next year, same time, same place. Erika, you hosted also this morning a BIM session at the interview conference. Yeah what is the role of Geodesi or Geo-information here at interview in the context of BIM? Thinking about let's say in railway you create a BIM model of track and the signals etc that is somewhere in the world so again you need the context you need the geodata where is this and what's around it so we need to see that all the data talking about silos earlier so we need to see all that data coming together and geo-information plays such an important role because all the survey data that we're receiving everything else that all needs to come together so that the design but also the digital twins which we are now creating increasingly just look around here at intergeo so many companies are now doing reality capture etc and that all comes together on the back of geospatial information and data. Thank you very much Erika for joining us here at intergeotv. I wish you really lots of fun at intergeo and good conversations and looking forward to see you next time with your revolutionary three digital twin from logics consulting thank you very much. So let's stay on the topic of BIM our reporter Helen Wyand has been checking out the conference for you today. I just brought the topic digital sovereignty from the community to the language that is an incredibly important topic that I did not only as the director of the federation cadastral office in düsseldorf but also as a representative of the german city day and that concerns all the communities big communities in germany that it is incredibly important to have the data in your own position because we have incredibly big data estimates in the city administration but also to build up the competencies, for example, to offer open source software solutions and then of course with the own employees and employees that we need for this exciting task, to realize the whole thing and if the whole thing is still flanked by a support in the townspeople in politics at the administration then it has already won half and then you can also use oriented solutions on the internet to offer people. We are now talking about the development in Hamburg to the data platform and we come here from the direction that we have built up a geodata infrastructure for the city to prepare geodata interoperable for various professional applications and within the entire smart city topic and also the digital strategy of the free city of Hamburg has always shown that we so to speak have to roll out these GDI ideas all over the city and also on all urban data not only on geodata and this evolution, so to speak, from the GDI to a urban data platform for a smart city or a digital city of Hamburg, which I have briefly presented and shown a few application examples why and which successes we have made this change. Yes, I am so happy that this year you can finally come together here in presence. I don't know how many listeners were here in the lecture just now, from 80 to 100 and over 50 channels were switched on and it's great that you can then again discuss these channels a little bit, present something and get feedback about chat or message messages and I'm looking forward to seeing you again next year. And now back to you Denise. Thank you Helen and now the outlook for the third day of interview on the stage on Thursday at 10 20 a.m. you will experience ASRI on the topic GIS and BIMFOR AEC project delivery and operation and in the conference you'll hear a presentation on digitalization in real estate brokerage at 11 a.m. and Dr. Andreas Eichhorn will share his knowledge about data handling of BIM and laser scan with you in his lecture at 3 p.m. And I'm looking forward to an interview with Dr. Uwe Bacher from Hexagon Geosystems about the mirror world Germany's digital twin and metro HD city data. So have fun at interview, wish you a good bye for now with the impressions of day two.