 Nah, nah, let's not Well, we have to wait 30 seconds. I like a good man Because YouTube takes a while YouTube's like a like me getting up in the morning. Yeah, it's like as soon as we start the stream It's like, where's Alpha geek media? My glasses Yeah, it's about 30 seconds. It has to spool up the FTL every time. Yeah, exactly Exactly. We're making the jump in 10 was that episode 33 minutes. What was that? That was great A great episode that was Okay Well, do you have a 10 second story to tell before I press go on alpha geek media? Yeah Here's my 10 second story. All right I have I thought I had completely trained my dog not to pee when she was excited And uh have been working with her and she's been doing great being very obedient awesome Dog loving her to death and then today a big chance came where a lady walked into the house Friend of the family walked into the kitchen and as soon as the dog saw the lady She peed on the kitchen floor. I blame the lady. 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It's wednesday september 23rd 2015 on tamera joining me as he does most wednesdays Mr. Scott johnson dts contributor founder of the frog pants network and gentlemen among gentlemen On that part that last part seemed a little out there, but yes, the rest of it is all true And it's going to be back as always on a good wednesday Scott johnson esquire Oh, I got a change on my letterhead now. Thanks a lot My uh, my uncle uh, who lived in texas used to send like Birthday presents and stuff to me to tom merit esquire and just made me feel all fancy Oh, did you did it actually make you feel fancy or was there a sense of this isn't right? And then my dad said that just means you have to prepare my armor when I go into battle And I said well, you never go into battle. So that's fine Um, my dad never said that I just made that up. All right My mom said it now. I'm fake stories, please more fake stories. Uh, let's do some true stories in the headlines The verge reports that pebble unveiled its first round smart watch the pebble time round Where did they get that name? It's all metal with a 38.5 millimeter face It's 7.5 millimeters thick has a large bezel that helps reduce the display size That's not so great. Uh, the men's watch comes with a 20 millimeter strap So the strap defines whether it's men's or women's the women's strap is 14 millimeters And there's an sdk that'll help developers convert their apps to work with the new round display Pebble time round is available for pre-order now with general availability coming november 8th And it costs you 249 buckaroos. I think those are good-looking watches. I just would suggest that The faces are too small and the e-paper thing. I'm still not sold on it As much as I want to be as far as batteries life and all that stuff That's all great, but I don't know. It's just not it's not striking me as the As a good reason to grab that. So yeah, it reduces the battery life reduce the display size It doesn't do the the partial refresh which is one of the battery saving features of the regular pebble because it's round It has to refresh the entire page Uh, so that's that seems to be part of the issue with it But it's pebble trying to stay ahead of the curve saying we've always been great on battery life Now we're great on style. We actually have a round version and very few Even moda 360 has that fat tire like this is a perfectly round display. Yeah, that looks nice Uh android police has or excuse me has images It says are of the retail packaging for the forthcoming nexus 5x phone from lg and the 5.7 inch nexus 6p From hawai yawai hawai I'll never get it right google has an announcement set for september 29th So i'm sure they'll get up and talk more about these but So I guess those those titles are real if these boxes are real It must be if the boxes are real and that printing is real I mean sometimes that's just prototype as well But this if I'm to guess they're gonna call it a nexus 5x and a nexus 6p when the day comes Yeah, we'll find out in six days Irish technical reports that security firm app authority says it has identified 476 apps in the ios app store infected by the xcode ghost malware That's quite a bit more than the 39 identified by palo alto networks last week App authority says the malware's capability. However is limited more limited than a lot of people thought It can only read device identifiers The kind of things that tracking devices can do on your phone anyway Can show you apps and urls to try to trick you and fish you into giving more information And it could put the phone to sleep, but it can't actually like Spoof the iCloud login Or some of the more malicious things that previously were suspected apple says it has no evidence that any of the apps that had been Infected have been used maliciously And ones would supposed updates are already hitting the update page for people For those who want to just quell any fears about those identified apps Wired reports facebook has added support for 360 degree videos It's going to be all the rage for a while at least something so just to make sure everyone checks it out They have posted a video allowing users to explore part of star wars the force awakens universe That's cool. Everything's coming up star wars android users can tilt their phone to The experience of 360 degrees ios will get that feature in a couple of months The desktop users can drag their cursors within the video, but not in safari or internet explorer just yet anyway You can also get a 360 degree lebron james workouts now now they're talking my language Discovery channels underwater footage of sharks and on the ground reporting from vise in afghanistan Just always harrowing footage by the way um, that's actually where i think this 360 video thing will be real cool is Places and things that would otherwise be either dangerous or so exciting Or so far away that you'd never see it otherwise I think there's real potential in this the stuff i've seen up till now is kind of grainy and crappy But this sounds all right. I'm gonna go check it out. I checked out the star wars one and It was way cool. I I definitely wanted to put on a vr headset Like it's the first time I've looked at something and said I need to have a vr headset to be able to make the best advantage of this Like I I really wanted cardboard working for me right then however Uh It is a little bit I don't know what the right word is. I wanted to be able to stop And look around right I got the experience of riding along with someone else where I could like look out the window and see the scenery going by But sometimes I'm like hold on like what what is that formation on that crashed death start? Oh, it's gone Yeah, there's a there's a linear there's a linearity to 360 video that I think Could potentially be a problem or or at least a problem if we're not able to kind of scan around and look at it in Sort of a pause state and some would say well Let's 3d render these scenes so you don't have to worry about and you can explore the whole thing But you know I watched that warcraft teaser trailer with uh with google cardboard And that was kind of cool But every time I did it i'm like I think I saw a thing down there But there's nothing I can do about it until this is over with and I mean you can pause it Yeah, but you're not with the with the google thing on the cardboard like there was no way to right right So I I I kind of came away with the same feeling of like Let me at my pace explore this This world you've made but I also understand you know video gives you this Really high fidelity experience that you're not going to get through 3d renders and so I don't know it's a it's a toss up But I still think there's a lot of potential here and I'm excited to see what more people do with it Maybe pause I mean all we need I don't know There's there's so much 360 degree video popping up facebook's just joining the crowd here and that's cool And good get with star wars nicely done. Yeah way to go Volkswagen ceo martin winter corn is having the winter corn of his discontent He has resigned writing as ceo I accept responsibility for the irregularities that have been founded diesel engines and have therefore requested the supervisory board to agree On terminating my function as ceo of the Volkswagen group just fallen on a sword taken responsibility Oh wait, he continued. I'm doing this in the interest of the company even though i'm not aware of any wrong doing on my part Hmm vw could face up to 18 billion dollars in fines from the epa in the united states for cheating on emissions test We talked about that on a previous episode other investigations into vbw have begun elsewhere in europe and south korea Thanks to tg stellar who posted this topic at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com Tom I don't got I have much to say this just sort of notes that okay He resigned he took responsibility, but also said it wasn't his fault and uh, we really don't know Who's responsible and I bet there'll be more investigations chat room if there's least one if he doesn't suggest winter corn is coming for That is title. I'm disappointed. He's leaving and leave a that's more accurate And then the other the only other thing I would say is um, and I haven't seen this anywhere But are there any other is this spawned any other investigations into EPA inspections of other people's data like have they gone to other car makers and said No, I don't think so Well, it has started a conversation about how epa conducts its tests And why it makes it so that it was it was possible for an algorithm to tell that a test was being done Rather than doing more real-world tests But I was listening to the economist podcast and they were talking about how the environmental tests in europe Have their own issues In the way that they are conducted So I I think it will have kind of a broad effect on how these different And emissions tests are conducted probably well, we'll see runaway snail posted to the subreddit the u.s. District court judge george h. Hale king rather i'ma said the wrong name king george h. King. I love that name for For a judge ruled that the 1935 copyright registration on the song happy birthday You know the one only applied to the piano arrangement not the lyrics took till 2015 to see this uh Warner chapel acquired the uh rights in 1988 and makes 2 million a year licensing that song anytime you hear it in a film For example, that has been licensed not something you can just use Warner can appeal though and if uh if not the lawsuit could be converted to a class action seeking the return of licensing fees And that's a lot of licensing fees over the years. So, um This is an interesting thing to me. It's like both kind of silly and um a little bit trivial But also kind of huge For copyright. I know what you mean like it seems trivial like come on guys just happy birthday But that's what makes it so big is that You were actually violating the law if you sang happy birthday to your friends in a public place without paying a performance fee Yeah, uh, and at least you thought at least it was thought that you were and and what this judge came up with is We don't see any evidence that when uh, summy which which actually Contracted the rights from the authors of the song in 1935 when they when they got the rights It looks like they got the rights to uh the music which is now public domain The music part is public domain now. There's no controversy about that Uh, and it looks like they got rights to the arrangement But we don't see any rights to the lyrics and that was always what was under Copyright was the lyrics to good morning to you except change to happy birthday to you Uh, and so this would this is going to be a landmark case in copyright law should this stand And a lot of the articles I read today. I read several about these seem to indicate that warner may not appeal This well, maybe not it's such a it's such a in the public consciousness It's the kind of thing either that or now that we can do the music and not the lyrics Maybe somebody can just call it Uh, you could always do the music and not that's not changed. That's not new And where's my merry naming day to thee? Yeah, oh they they exist, right? But I but your tgi fridays and benningons of the world We're just being extra careful by saying You know what like if we do the music Then they can point to our lyrics and say well They're doing the music and these lyrics are similar because it's about birthdays, right? So they just changed everything to be safe But this will this will allow People in chain Applebee's type restaurants around the world and the united states actually just in the united states to sing happy birthday And what's ironic about that is they won't because now there's a new tradition of the tgi friday style thing And so I don't see I cannot they will really you think they won't I think all sees on this I think i'm all walking out going happy happy birthday something something something And then like that's a tradition almost of its own in its own weird way I don't know I I will be surprised if I start hearing about big chains who do the regular birthday thing and bring out a piece of pie If this stands i'm just going to start singing the traditional happy birthday over the top of them change the show theme That'd be fun. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I I thought about starting today's show by singing happy birthday, and then I realized well It's not settled law yet All right. Yeah, so don't expect benningons to change anytime soon especially because I don't think it exists anymore Scientists at the u.s. National Institute of Standards a k a nist Say they've transferred a quantum state from one photon to another over optical fiber 102 kilometers long That's that's a distant record for a quantum teleportation Detection was achieved using four high detection efficiency superconducting nano wire single photon detectors If this is just sounding like star trek to you What we're saying is they were able to change to to Quantumly teleport a state they can't know the state or it won't work So you can't send information this way, but it can be used for encryption Yeah, and it's if it sounds like star trek. I would argue that it kind of is brushing up against some of the concepts in star trek This is not moving a solid apple from one No, it's one photon right one photons quantum state not even the actual photon And that's not a huge step towards teleportation What this is is is a significant step if if it can be proven out repeated and everything else a significant step in quantum computing And they've done they've done quantum teleportation farther in an open field The big thing about this is they did it over fiber, which is more difficult You know very interesting stuff the u.s. Office of Personnel Management now believes that 5.6 million That's right million fingerprints were compromised Oh, excuse me. We're comprised as part. I guess it is compromised. It's compromised. Yeah as a part of the data breach It discovered this summer a rise from the previous belief that 1.1 million fingerprints have been accessed the opm Declined to comment on requests from wired about whose fingerprints were lost 24 21.5 million federal employees Were victims of the original data breach including intelligence and military employees That is uh, that is an ugly number dude Yeah, there's a lot of people want to make a lot more of this Because it's such a bad thing to begin with and and there's no it's like oh look They hid the fact that it was 5 million. Maybe they did maybe they didn't all we know is they at least have said We discovered 4.5 million more fingerprints Uh, we're we're part of this and that's bad enough You don't need to exaggerate it to make that it is bad. It is bad. Well, what so just for the Lehman in my brain, what's the what is the nefarious use of my fingerprints if they were well That's that's where it gets a little money, right theoretically somebody could use these fingerprints to uh to get into fingerprint authentication The fingerprint protected authentication like theoretically they could create a representation of your fingerprint and get into your phone with it Or or if there's fingerprint authentication on government classified materials, they'd be able to spoof it It's very difficult to do that It's probably very even more difficult to do it from from these prints that were stored Uh, but the scary part of it is it's not impossible And you can't change your fingerprint yet Yeah, yeah, I did what's what's the movie? Oh men in black where they burn them off, right? That's your only hope once that thing you can burn off your fingerprints, but that just leaves you without fingerprints Yeah, it says do any of us any good Uh, finally, eve bought advocate general at the european court of justice has issued an opinion Stating that the safe harbor agreement between the u.s and the european union Did not do enough to protect e-u citizens private information In light of snowden leak revelations and he says it should be declared invalid He being the advocate general the european court of justice generally follows The advocate's opinions and is currently considering a complaint filed by 27 year old austrian law student max shrems that facebook Helped the us nsa harvest email and other private data of e-u citizens to boil this down Shrems is trying to get facebook Found guilty of sharing e-u citizen data in violation of e-u law And if the advocate general's opinion on this is followed by the court It could cause havoc for all kinds of cloud data Providers because they would no longer have safe harbor to store european data in the united states All right one would one would hope that that will be taken into account while they while they deal with all this stuff A side note the big nsa building that went in not far from me. Maybe 20 minutes south of me now Is complete appears to be running and full of guards and people at gates and Big gray nondescript buildings. It's kind of a scary place Can you just go stop by and do you know talk to some people with a microphone and a camera doubt it? I'm guessing that they would probably put me under arrest or think something was going on They won't put you under arrest if you don't cross any lines. They tell you not to but yeah I'll yell. I know my rights, but that they'll still take me. They'll just say turn off turn all that off Is what they'll say even whether it's true or not I had a friend who worked there were during the building He was a sweeper going there and just clean up all the mess after they were they were cleaning up And he had to sign miles of paperwork about what he would or wouldn't say or do or describe Yeah, yeah, especially trash. Yeah, that's dangerous. Yeah dangerous stuff Well, my friends, uh, if you liked these stories, I'm glad if not get in there and vote daily tech news show dot reddit dot com Let us know what stories you'd like us To cover right now more than 5,000 people help us pick the lineup every day and it is helpful it is not determinative because You know not everybody votes if every single one of you who I knew was going to listen would vote I'd still probably pick a story a couple stories. I thought you should know about anyway But man, I would be like these are definitely the stories they're interested in right now It gives me an indication It says, you know, maybe they're kind of a few people are interested in this one So the more of you that do it the more helpful it is daily tech news show dot reddit dot com And that is a look at the headlines All right, uh, we're gonna bring in our producer jenny josephson to talk to us About the discussion story because amazon's autumn pilot season is coming They actually actually haven't given us a date, but they told us the shows and scott and jenny and I are going to review them These these pilots will be coming to the united states the uk germany and austria Uh, jenny, are you excited about these at all? She's sure. I'm definitely muted about them Yeah, she's trying to tell us she she's She's miming her words That's still muted. Yeah, no, there's uh, there's no scott while we figure jenny just keep yelling until we say we hear you Yeah, they won't hear you but scott, uh, are you excited about it? Yeah, um, I kind of am and the ones that jump out at me for example are and we'll go through all of these But I really am excited about edge for some reason and this other one good girls revolt Which oh what wait a minute hold on edge you mean based on the book series by george gillman Considered the most violent western in print. That's so funny to me that you'd be into a western scott Hey, we hear jenny too. Oh, there she is. Hey jenny. Hello Um, yeah, just to just to finish throwing my thoughts about the western out there I am a giant unlike I could not get enough of deadwood I could not get enough of justify which is basically a modern day western I love the tropes the feeling of those things just everything about a good western And I've felt for a long time that hollywood in the in theaters. They're done with that So bring it to television. That's where it probably belongs. We're gonna get that that westworld series soon on hbo This sounds great. So i'm super stoked about That uh primarily but now that you've got jason from trueblood I know the with a woman handler agent from chuck evan straffsky The uh the jason from trueblood. This is this is a role that he should play He should be in a western. He should have always been in a western trueblood was also he's playing merit harknet That works for me. I should if I ever have a kid. I'll name a merit Merit merit jenny. What do you think of the lineup anything jumping out? Yes So I I really do like what amazon is doing with uh exploring gender issues like obviously just won five emmies this past weekend and They have like a little bit hung their flag on that this good girl's revolt thing is just like bring it bring it guys I want it. I want this. It's like excellent excellent storytelling and i'm really excited about the tignataro series too Um because that's those are that's a combination of two really wonderful women doing um the thing the one that i'm like on is Patriot Because I could probably turn on nbc right now and see something like Patriot even if terry o'quinn is in it Um, so those and like the zelda one Maybe maybe all right. Well, let's let's let's let people know what these are if they are familiar good girls revolt female researchers at The fictional news of the week Fight to be treated fairly in 1969 And this has got a cast man jenevieve angelson as patty anna camp Who was also in trueblood and more famous for pitch perfect as jane erin dark as cindy chris d Montopolis Who is famous from silicon valley if you watch that as fin hunter perish from weeds as dug Jim belushi as wick mcfadden Joy bryant from parenthood as ellenor holmes norton and grace gummer as norah effron. So these are based on real folks And one other thing to heist in which is the story of 19-year-old heist in ligates who has celebrity friends only he can see What i really like about that one a it's from sasha baren cohen and his production company I like that amazon is getting weird Right like it's now it's not just and the patriot one that i was talking about is sort of seems like it's a standard Procedural in which a guy named michael doran who's the actor that plays him is to prevent or ran from going nuclear and i'm like Okay, great. Oh, it does have terrio quinnet, which is always exciting. Um But i like the weirdness of heist and i like the the the spread of different kinds of things I think maybe there's only like Some some types of storytelling that i'd like to see amazon go to eventually But i do in a broader sense love the feedback that you're able to give on these pilots And that's a huge thing for me I like that too and i'm gonna take the side of this patriot thing not because it's my kind of programming but because What what i'm seeing here is a lot of diversity in content stuff that Mainstream america could latch on to people that do like their procedurals people. Let's say over 50 who want to see This john tavener save the world And it's nice to know that amazon can provide that but then also just have this crazy diversity on the other side of it Like heist and i don't even know what to think of this yet Like it sounds like something that no other network would take on Except the a netflix or amazon or somebody like that so So once again all of this this entire list to me outside of the patriot looks like a list of daring experimental television Heistin's got a great opportunity for guest Uh, so guest appearances, right if he sees celebrities, it's it's just a built for that I could totally see this on a comedy central or an fx Type of series and the the first episode is going to have flea and shack as his imaginary friends flea and shack So I can't wait to see how that works And how many others they bring in Before we get more general again, and i'm sorry. I didn't do this right off the top We've talked about most of these in detail except one mississippi Which if you heard jenny sing its praises it's based on the life of tignataro as she deals With re-entering into her childhood hometown of bay st lucille mississippi and she stars in it as well as writing and producing it It's also executive produced by louis ck, and it is a co-production with fx productions Which I find an interesting twist there z is a bio series. Uh, that doesn't mean it's about biology It's a biography of zelda ser fitzschild wife of fscott fitzschild following her from before she meets fscott All the way through their dating marriage Etc. And christina riche plays zelda there so You know these are I'll tell you what you guys are like these are edgy and experimental and I I sort of agree And I guess we'll have to see them to see whether patriot is what jenny thinks which is like It's just another procedural or whether they have some twist to it that we don't know about But none of them strike me Immediately as something I would have never seen anywhere else except for one mississippi That is the one that sticks out to me is like, okay That's that's edgier than what I would even expect from an amc or an fx Okay, and the other thing that I would have to point out since scott brought up the d word is that there's one There's like several levels of diversity actually missing from this lineup And I mean they're really like in a world that has brought us empire and then the the future like huge mini series of hip hop That's coming up like I really wish that there was like one show, but I don't know That's the one thing that jumped out at me Especially after last amazon pilot series where they're like the one that came out in january where there was a lot of criticism of like Oh, here's a lot more stories about all white people and now it's you know The d word I meant wasn't the diversity in the cultural sense and I completely agree with you 100 here There should be more There should be more than just more white people and more You know stories that that I'm going to relate with the most or whatever I completely agree might come out about diversity is more like this is just a weird mix. It's like a I mean, you know tonally and story-wide and Concept-wise well, we've got a western which is unusual. They're not unheard of but they're unusual We've got a mad men for women for women's rights essentially with good girls revolt We've got what I feel like is similar to uh What's the what's the comedy set is a comedy central where the guy it's uh, Elijah would sees The dog. Yeah, Wilfred. Heistin feels like a Wilfred type thing Uh, patriot as we've said is is seems fairly familiar We've seen these these bio series Before usually on lifetime or someplace like that This one seems a little edgier than a than a hallmark or lifetime series And then one Mississippi is the one that I can't say. Oh, yeah, I would have seen that except maybe on an HBO Yeah, well, I'm pretty stoked about one Mississippi for two reasons one I'm a huge dignitaro fan and I think that fx productions association is coming from the louis ck connection on this and But my my the thing I didn't know about her is that she is from that part of mississippi That's my wife's home town. So now I got a bunch of questions to ask about who knew But but those playing with those character types should be Big fun Having spent a lot of time down there with with extended family who are in various states of societal evolution So and we forgot to mention the co-writer with nataro on that is diablo cody of juno fame So they've got an all-star producing cast on that one for sure So so here's my question like to bring it back to daily tech news show land, right? This is amazon Putting forth a fall pilot series season Now you guys have been saying like, oh, this is edgy. Maybe it's more diverse than you would see Does this seem like a cord cutting enterprise web video? If you slapped fx's name on this Would it would it stick out to you? I mean Have we hit the point where instead of seeing amazon with alpha house and and nerds? You're you're seeing Legitimate entries and is this the first time for that to see the whole slate look that way Yes, and here's what I think it was which is They had they're following this model that actually Traditional cable networks followed first and now it is leaping over to the streaming side, which is okay So amc gets their madmen and that creates a cascading opportunity for other excellent programming, right? And then netflix gets its house of cards and that creates It's cascading confidence in a way for the people who run the shows and develop the shows to do it And now you're seeing transparent had a great, you know for season But with these five emmy wins This is like this is a shot of confidence for for storytelling and amazon. They're saying, okay We can do this we can put the money into this and also We can produce this and get the feedback and and know to a certain extent the success of these pilots before You know we commit that much more money to them and that is a huge improvement if you're talking about Disrupting and innovating That's a huge improvement on the traditional pilot season which advertisers are asked to buy Advertising on shows that have not yet aired who some which are going to flop right out of the gate No matter what a percentage of and so I think that in terms of a technological innovation to me amazon is is Further along. I mean, I don't know how much they take into account those ratings, but the man in the high castle got a higher Viewers than any other pilot they'd ever put out So I think they know that one's probably gonna do okay for a little while You know that's that confidence of data and then confidence of reward. They don't have to have ratings They don't have to have viewers. They have to just have the right viewers. It's not about numbers It's about demos, uh, which which has been true for advertising on broadcast and cable More than people probably realize But you don't have to live and die by those numbers anymore You don't even have to divulge them as netflix has shown very well Yeah, and and now we're talking about data that gets very granular It's like well these uh, this group of people these millions of people only made it halfway through this pilot We're not sure that one's gonna make it this other one We're showing people watched in an average of two times That means they're showing their friends and people who didn't see it or whatever So they've got the kinds of granular data that we never had with neilson ratings or any other kind of sort of You know test test a marketing for for pilots It was more kind of gut checking and oh, I hope this works And we put a lot of money behind this and look at all the talent we have and then you know You end up with the with the loan gunman and it doesn't work out even though you had all these talented people involved So uh, this is not only there's two things happening here There's that which is a much better way to sort of get the metrics you need But then there's this legitimization Of web television or at least web created television or stuff that came from the web from amazon and netflix Where you know peers and reward seasons and everything else are rewarding these people and saying look transparent's a great show And it deserves all the awards House of cards a great show and deserves all these awards And that is has this legitimizing effect and it makes also the producers of this stuff say Yeah, this just comes down to us doing really good stuff It doesn't have anything to do who who cares if it's amazon if the content's awesome People will claw down the wall to find it and I think that's great news for everybody Yeah, and one thing I would just say is like I do make some differentiation in my head between the Types of people that are making the show as coming from the web I mean you guys are coming from the web if you guys put together a tv series it gets picked up by amazon That's coming from the web diablo kodi is coming from hollywood and using a vastly expanded amount of People who will put her shows on tv to her benefit So that's sort of like coming from traditional hollywood to the web. I don't know I always like to make that difference because I think um You show me a tv series that's on one of these sort of traditional production company builds it up releases it That actually has like web stars at its helm and i'll be like okay from the web I don't know it's just like a weird I completely agree, but it's almost like you can't the legitimacy didn't come from Me or tom making a show it came from the cream of the crop talent of show creators out there Seeing the new medium and going yep, we can do this And that's the key is they have to come they had to kind of come down a level It's kind of like it used to be tv in the 80s and early 90s Nobody wanted to be on tv that was like death of your career you wanted to be in movies and if that didn't work out Okay, fine i'll do you know an episode of tj hooker or whatever, but then something changed You know and we got to a point where we could make really quality tv And then people were flooding to tv to say well Let me be on tv in the last 10 years have been this Renaissance where we care more about some of the actors working in television and are shocked they're doing a film than the other way around Yeah, this i think we're heading down the same road of well. That's weird. It's the internet too No, that's a great place for us to do this and it's and that started with house of cards that yeah Yeah, that's that's that was the big breakthrough for netflix to get david fincher and kevin spacey And data brunetti to be on board with doing a show and they went from being like Oh, that's that streaming company that's on the web to that's a streaming company that wants to compete with hbo And that yeah, there's there are two parallel streams, right? There's that which is bringing tv production from hollywood into a streaming platform, which really i mean, yeah, it's the web But there's also the rising web stars of the fine brothers grace helbig tyler oakley That are coming at you from the other direction. That's the one older people don't really realize this coming But those those names i just put out if you don't know who they are ask someone under 21 Uh, and they will tell you what who they are because they're Extraordinarily popular and they're coming. Yeah, and they're coming and that's I guess that's the next steinpost I'm looking for is when when do we really see those cross so Hannah heart and grace helbig are doing electro woman and dina girl, but that's going to be distributed by full screen on their own Circle when does one of those stars jump over whether it's to amazon and netflix or hbo or something else I know grace helbig had an e-show, but i'm thinking of something bigger where it's where it's a mix of the two worlds Did we talk about the deal that amazon has they're they're doing like a prime discounted deal I think it's this friday I mean That seems like an ad for amazon to me Okay, so I won't say it Celebrating their any win with a little discount. I certainly won't give you a link, but I like that. I like it or whatever I just you know, I I don't think it's news Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I won't discuss it. It's news in the sense that it's It's it's a weird thing to do because you won. It's like to me. It's like mbc saying Hey guys because of that uh this mba game we're gonna show we're gonna have three less commercials No, I think it's an I don't know. I don't know what is it it's like 69 dollars instead of 67 dollars instead of 99 dollars So if you were at all curious if you saw the emmy's and you were like I have not yet reached peak tv And I want to see this it's just like a there. I think the point is they're able to do this Right, like they're able to offer something like this That's a typical amazon thing to do and it just ties in with the greater It's like now all of a sudden you get cheaper toilet paper with your good tv Yeah, it's it's they are in a position to leverage themselves in ways that regular media just doesn't do They can't have another thing to do. Maybe they have some ways, but it's you know, they're in a in a way. They're almost like, um I don't know. I mean, it's it's the perfect scenario You have all the metrics you have all the ways of measuring your audience that regular tv doesn't have Then you have this way of like boosting sales and getting people to come back and And nobody else really has that they just have commercials for you know pants and we all move on No, it's a it's a great point jenny like the fact that you will never see abc delivering you Like you said cheaper tickets to disneyland And a lot of people watching once upon a time. Yeah, right exactly. Oh, no, that's even better. You're right cheaper tickets to disneyland Well, no one will ever give you cheaper tickets and and cinderella dolls and yeah, exactly I mean and disney's have way tied up with toys I mean, that's why they did that whole force friday thing is to try to push the toy licensing So it's just they don't have that business arrangement that amazon has. Okay. It's a good take. Yeah, I like it Let's uh quickly get to through our pick of the day vance Picks the tivo romeo over the air If you're like, okay, I can get amazon and get an influx, but uh, if i'm going to cut the cord How am I going to get all these other shows we can get them through tivo Over the air. It's a great way to have a full dvr and onscreen guide functionality says vance Uh, you get the box for $50 with guide service for $15 a month But they sometimes have a deal to get lifetime service if you can track it down He says that means that I did it that way and it'll pay for itself in just a few months He says the killer feature is the my shows list that includes streaming shows from netflix amazon and hulu alongside You're recorded over the air episodes So if you've started recording a show but you want to go catch up on earlier seasons You can do so because it'll show them to you on netflix and amazon or or even hulu Uh, and then once you catch up to your recorded versions, you'll watch your recorded versions It's all in one pass. It's pretty neat. Uh, and he says with plex recently added I only need to head over to my shield android tv for sling and google play content Send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show dot com. You can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks All right messages of the day from feedback at daily tech news show dot com The recent stories about self-driving cars gave eric an idea of how technology might solve some problems he had While at yellowstone national park said while I was driving from site to site I wasn't able to gaze on the beautiful scenery around me as much as I would like but my wife was able to look at everything I had to split my attention between the road and the nature around me And I thought to myself if only there were self-driving cars in the park Then we could both enjoy looking at the scenery together while the car handled the driving That's pretty cool So Self-driving business Self-driving cars come to parks first. Oh, it's happening. There's nothing. There's nothing we can do to get around it Um, it actually it's funny that this I know this comes up a lot and self-driving cars are like, you know It's like it's 2008 and twitter's new in a weird way because I feel like cars Self-driving cars is the topic of every conversation all the time everywhere But I am more convinced than ever having been a very skeptical person about at the beginning that this is not only happening But the idea of it happening Sooner than later is in my head. We forecasted it on on current geek the other day I think five years from now you and I are calling a car service to our door that's run by a robot So Why not national parks? That seems like a great place to get this going. It's but it's a Jurassic park really I mean, that's what he's talking about. Let's just ride around like little balls. Yeah, that's exactly it Uh cam from cold, but sunny south Australia noted that when I made the whole Volkswagen has enough tech skills to trick the APA. Why can't they do security? He said, I think it's a different level of skill resources Yes, it is But I'm just saying if the management can put priority on those skill resources They could probably put them on the other technology skill resources Cam said also as a side note friend of mine does engine work for a competitive racing team He says they do all their emissions testing power testing everything on a dyno machine immediately after races To prove no cheating has taken place seems a bit poor in the EPA side to have been tricked like this And good work to the academics who just thought hmm. I wonder why that is Yeah, and also I would argue that you're not good at tricking the EPA if you got caught and they got caught So, you know, you're good for a while Yeah, but you're not great Paul from poland Says when we were talking on friday about nasa and virtual reality It reminded him of an article by Michael Crichton from popular science magazine in 1988 Talking about steve brison and rick jacobi demonstrating a virtual interactive environment known locally as the helmet And it it's an lcd screen. There's special gloves projected a computer image So it there's another example of a project at nasa even before the one we were talking about on friday And we'll have a link to that Michael Crichton article In there as well And finally the shortest feedback email ever from christian I predict that vokes wagon will end up pulling out of the u.s. Market leaving a hole in the hearts of many american car buyers that apple Will be uniquely positioned to fill weird I wonder why that though why buy apple because everybody's talking about apple doing a self-driving car and uh, I don't know. He's just saying I feel like google's just as likely or maybe even further ahead Yeah, but who knows Come listen a big computer company the internet company tech company coming out with a car To fill the hearts of americans who are missing their Volkswagen's. I don't think that's a crazy idea I'm just not sure who it's gonna be Yeah Well, thank you christian for that and uh, thank you jenny josephson for jumping in and then talking some hollywood with us Appreciate that. I love tv in all its forms. We all love tv So folks you should know that jenny talks to some hollywood insiders from time to time She even talks to scott johnson from time to time on her show tell it anyway Tell it anyway.com. 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I I worked my way through it Almost went down molly road and then I worked my way through it No, because you were making a really good point And I I was just I just have that allergic reaction I know I know it did feel it did feel a little ad-ish, but whatever. All right Who wants some titles for this excellent show? Yes, please Um Happy birthdays are here again. It is currently uh at the top. Uh winter corn is leaving Which it's it's like half a step too far to winter is coming, but um Let's see pebble is coming round, which I like That's clever. Yeah, I like that one a lot Um Oh Huawei or the highway Um, hey, let me tell Scott. Let me give you a way to never forget how to pronounce Huawei again So this seems to come up all the time, which is yeah anytime it comes up. Think of it as bill and ted's excellent adventure Which is wow Way Right It's like hooked on phonics over here. Yeah, it's just Huawei Huawei. I like it That'll be close enough. Uh, I'm sorry. That was just like producer aside Uh This is the we should do uh, we should do a training video that we give to the patreons Like yeah, these if you'd like to know how to produce other titles Xiaomi subscribe to our patreon Oh So is it what did you get What's that roger did you guys pick though the the Huawei or the highway? No, it's probably I would guess it's probably um The pebbles coming round is the is a nice one Oh and Scott, I think I know why people are kind of making that link between the Apple's upcoming car and Volkswagen Because Volkswagen has a reputation of having like incredibly fanatical Uh Customer follower set. Yeah, plus they're the ones that you know Break through advertising trends and do things like giant full page ads with a tiny car in the middle and all this They're the un car even though it's just a car still it's like being an un cola No, that's true. That's true. I think for a long time. They held that It's it's one cult latching on to another cult. Yeah Yeah, I just don't know if that status well, I don't know how long this has been this way But I don't feel like those wagons had that status for a long time. It feels like it went away or something Well, it's sort of like a lot of people up in the bay area. May I say that I know Drive those Volkswagen's there's like a particular Volkswagen that everybody loves and gena tdi right and so I think that um That if Volkswagen and I don't see Volkswagen necessarily disappearing from the market just because of this That would be the premise that I would argue But I do see certainly at least amongst that same set of car buyers The what we couldn't have a Volkswagen. Oh, is that a giant self-driving car? You know gone. Well, I mean the bigger the thing is there's a lot of Things are kind of being rolled into one a lot of inflation The the big of the traction released for For people who bought into the Volkswagen A mindset was one that you were driving the non-american stereotypical, you know Blan yacht right with an eight-cylinder engine and you know burning cows and And you know seals in order to get like half a mile down the road It was like it's economic, but it had kind of a year. That's why they have all those cows on interstate five So we fill those cars And uh, you know, especially with the diesel the so volzray was one of the few car car manufacturers that that's managed to sell diesels and cars that weren't like super crappy GM tried it back in the 70s and 80s But they just repurposed gasoline engines For for diesel for diesel output, which doesn't work because a diesel engine needs to be Twice as thick to withstand the amount of compression and heat that you generate out of a diesel engine because It works slightly differently. No spark plugs. No distributor So everyone's like, oh, it's great and now I have biodiesel too So not only can I recycle all this used french fry oil in my car This car's going to get fantastic mileage It's going to be super eco-friendly And i'm not going to be one of those drones that drives around in a hybrid thinking they're saving the environment But really just becoming another Hollywood, uh, bot. Yeah, it makes a pot makes to make a statement Is it true that they're the world's largest? Car company most back in the day, but you need Porsche. They bought Porsche They they bought a lot of companies. They bought Lamborghini. Okay. They are just saying that company makes Porsche That's a good point. They uh, don't they also I thought they owned who bought Volvo. Who is that? Volvo Volvo originally was Volvo then they got bought by Ford and they didn't know what to do with it and when they got in the crapper they sold it And I think a chinese company bought them right now I'm a more worried about the beer consolidation But see that's a great thing. I hate beer No impact on my life. What's so well? No, but ab inbev buying miller Means that budweiser and miller would be the same company. Oh, weird. Oh, no, so two bad tasting beers Which one do I pick? Which you don't craft beer is driving them to it apparently, you know, dude What was that documentary on netflix about like the whole uh, micro brew Thing like there was this like it was a followed this one company trying to break through To the retail market space and the whole thing about how these large Breweries like miller and core anhyzer bush would basically come out with similar sounding Products and occupy shelf space and thereby kind of crowding out all these independent Uh brewers from actually be able to sell it on the supermarket shelf Because you know anhyzer bush bought like 50 of the shelf space at Safeway Yeah, it's um beer wars is the name of it. Oh, that's it. Yeah 2009. I saw this too. It was really good I like I don't even like bitter the whole the whole the whole concept of how like, you know cartel-ish See tom will jump at that because I say everything's a cartel this cartel east meets west or listen to For more about cartels Uh, that was the argument roger and I got into yesterday. Um, it's a cartel. No, it's a cartel everybody calls things Bah East was at west throat that day Mm-hmm um so I cannot no longer keep up with all the TV. This was my problem And that's what I liked about the emmy's was that like the whole thing was like peak tv and tv overwhelming and Stuff like that. So I'm eager to find the the way to do that because it's brutal You know what it is? I think part of it is you feel compelled that you need to watch it now in order to keep up And it's it's weird because like you don't really do that with books Like I didn't read really popular books until like, you know eight years Later after they were like a phenomenon because it's like when I was getting around to it when I get around to it There wasn't an urgency but with tv there's like an urgency because we're in transition We're going from mere a mere 40 years ago If you wanted to watch a tv show you had to watch it live Like yeah, you could set your vcr I guess but 40 years 70s Let's say so let's go a little farther back right say say 45 years ago You watched it or you missed it and then hoped it came around on a rerun again someday And and we're still unlearning that Like water cooler behavior of it was on last night and we all talk about it the next day as we move into library Television when you don't I mean scott. I think you're the perfect example of this You don't have to watch things when they come out. Yeah, definitely not in fact part of me is is Like I still haven't watched house of cards and I don't know why and I've told you I my theory is It's because it's gonna be there no matter what there Yeah, I feel more driven to watch things that I'm not gonna see again or could be pulled from netflix or It's a weird. It's a weird psychology. It's this it's this combination of too much choice and then Not enough time. Yeah, let's say harry potter comes out with a new book Right and and everybody runs to the store to buy it, but a lot of people don't And nobody feels like I have to go to the store and get every new Science fiction and young adult fantasy book right or every book that's on the top 20 best seller list It's a it's a great example roger But isn't that funny that the pressure is there though for for Video and movies and stuff. Yeah, but I think it's we're unlearning this like limited we had a limited choice Before so it was possible to keep up on everything you thought was good Yeah, well water cooler conversation was about one show usually And there wasn't 400 others that you could talk about at the same time. It's such a different time now I think I'll I think I'll turn into what Turn to more of a peerage Like oh, what are my peers watching right now so I can keep up with them Rather than like what is everyone in the planet watching And and keep it so that way at least with you know, kind of like a book club like you keep it within the circle So no one feels like they're missing out by not watching it right away All right My wife's finally watching season one of true detective the good one, you know Yeah, I don't see. I don't watch any of those shows and I don't feel like I'm missing out Show was really good. That show was really good I I we we just actually completely avoided season two like we just it was on the dbr And then we were like, oh, this is getting terrible reviews. We didn't watch it One of my favorite andi sandberg jokes in the emmy's was yeah, we said goodbye to true detective Did they um did it ever was well, I guess I guess if the reviews are bad for the whole season I don't know. I'm sad about that. I guess I think it was it does I read one great article that was like it was a good example Of a show coming back too soon To capitalize on the buzz because well, especially when it's a really an auteur created series It's hard to generate that consistent quality on that turnaround Whereas in the first one they had a huge amount of time and that creative partnership to get it right and then you know, um It didn't quite work out that way plus. I mean did anyone think they were going to do better than mccana. Hey, harrelson. No So that was just its own I kind of thought they maybe had a chance, but that sounds like it just didn't When I I hate to say this but when I heard vince fawn was in it playing a serious guy That was my like wee wee moment of like, I don't know He's you know what say what you want about the remake of psycho. He was the best thing in it No for sure, but that's sort of like saying I don't know what that's like saying, but you know, that was not a good movie Weirds me out about that movie. It's and why it's and get it still bad is that it's a shot for shot Version of the original. Yeah, maybe that's the problem The best part of that movie was vego mortensen. Come on now. Yeah, he was great But you have a thing for vego. We know my I have yeah, he goes up there with the chrisses Mortensen is the original chris in my world For all you know, his original birth name was chris and it's probably That's probably true rumors Me go mortensen by the way, not in enough movies for my taste. I agree You can see him just trying to decide whether or not to fire off missiles in the bottom and the belly of a submarine in Crimson tide. I know I saw that and I was like, oh my god more vego I mean in some ways you can consider a king of the screen and we need a return of the king Yeah, I agree The only thing just please devote vego mortensen the rest of your life to be coming rolling from the dark tower And that will be just fine by me. You don't have to do anything else. Did you like the road? I really did I love the book. I you know, I love the book. I love the book and I just couldn't bring myself to watch the movie It was so depressing. I think you should I don't think the movie is as dark as the Book was I just had such like the book. Oh my god at the end of the book. I just I went into like an under the blankets phase for a couple days. Like it was so sad It's a soul crushing book, but man, I love that book. Well, then I'll have that. I'll consider that a a New vego movie for me to watch. Yeah, I mean, I mean I'm biased because I'll see anything with a post-apocalyptic theme So I'm kind of ruined that way, but I think it was great All right, I'll take that recommendation There's another one called hell. I think it's a german movie You know what my favorite one of my favorite vego mortensen movies is The angel devil one whose name I just forgot Oh The one with christopher walken as the devil right um, why am I forgetting? It's called Hold on Uh, I did no chris walken was not the devil vego was the devil Oh, is this old? How old is it? Yeah vego devil angel. Hold on. I'll have it one second. It's the prophecy Prophecy Yeah, I never saw that. Oh, yeah, that's where the oh, it's amazing and it's a very younger vego mortensen playing the devil We saw this on film set. Oh, no, no. Okay. So the first prophecy was 95 prophecy two Was the one we saw and he's not in that but no Yeah, the prophet the first prophecy is actually a kind of a fun terrifying awesome bad movie History violence is great. Oh that movie's incredible based on a comic Oh Ma'am, what oh, yeah, he's great I even like to belgo a lot. Yeah, me too. I watch that was the first post lord of the rings Movie fun ego, wasn't it? Yeah Yeah I uh, I really want um, I'll watch that anytime it comes on on cable But uh, I just I think in my life what what we're really seeing here is that I just need to know who's gonna play roland And and put that to bed Yeah Yeah, that would be yes, so I can just let it sink in And accept it Yeah, whatever it's gonna be whoever it's gonna be Just please make the damn decision already because I can't my heart can't take it. It's a little torturous. I agree I'd like to just know Oh my gosh, I don't have guests for current geek. I should do that. Yeah, you should do that crap I forgot I didn't forget but all this other planning. It made me feel like I was planning You were planning for current geek boxes. Yeah Oh, I've said too much. Goodbye