 It's a banger. It's a really good one. The theme's great. Well, the theme's always good, except for that one time in the second movie, where it was kind of lame. It was. Yeah. And I was actually going to say one of my favorites of the entire selection probably was Dead Rackening. I loved the drums to start up the new amps, the new remix. It's slightly different. I like the full outs. Like, yeah, let's do it. Hearing it in the first Mission Impossible was kind of like quaint. Like, oh, this is like the this is like the base, the basic version of it. Yeah, it's so simplified and it's not. It's not as complex as a lot more simple. It's definitely like version one and it's still good. But it has that just simplicity to it. And then it really gets really, it really gets more complex as it goes on, but not even in a bad way. Like, I really like, you know, Dead Rackening. I think it's just, each time they try something a little bit different to go for a slightly different vibe. I feel they do a good job of, yeah, adding on to it over time. It's kind of like like the battlefield theme, you know, has a lot of really good renditions to it, except for that one that we don't talk about. It's the it's. Battlefield 2042 is the Mission Impossible 2 of Battlefield. Where it's cringe. It tries too hard to be something else. Oh, wow, that fits better than I thought it would. Hi, everyone. Hi, everyone. You've had we're we're here. It's every frame of pause episodes seven hundred and twenty six. And we are talking about Mission Impossible. We are. Last episode was. Wait, was it a meme? Fappal was it was the Indiana Jones one? It was like the one where we did a movie was Indiana Jones. The last one where we did a movie was Dead Space. We did a thorough in depth live review. What a movie. It came out pretty good. Six out of ten. We'll see if Dead Rackening can can weigh up to Dead Space. Nineteen ninety one. Yeah, it was the last. You found was indeed Indiana Jones with a little platoon who's joined us once again because it's going to be going pretty surgical today. This is going to be a rather depthing dive, a dive of depthness, mission deep, possible and be real, real crazy, especially because this this has some high expectations behind it because it is the fall of the Mission Impossible fallout. Oh, for those who are fans of the long time fans of you, Fappal know we are highly fond of that movie. We thought it was fan tabulous fallout is pretty top tier. It's it's really up there. It's a it is a very it eclipses being a solid movie. And it starts to veer into great territory. I would say. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And that means a lot to us. We call we don't call many things great. I was at Space 1991, dial a destiny, of course. Yeah, there's not that many great movie experiences out there. And so will this be able to match up? Who could possibly know except those who watched either metals for yesterday or those who watched Open Bar and already know a decent chunk about what me and Platoon think about it at the very least. But hey, you know, we'll go piece by piece and you'll probably grasp the tone immediately. But so what we're going to do, though, is just do a quick reminder of the journey since I have a theory and that is Mission Impossible fans mostly don't remember anything that's happened in Mission Impossible. Oh, my God. Oh, my goodness. How could you say something so controversial? It's so true because whenever I see people discussing these films, a lot of them can't piece together plot lines from any of these movies and they cross over all the facts and stuff. But I was like, I'm not sure any people even know sometimes it's complicated. It is. You know, sometimes the stories are a little bit like the first the first Mission Impossible was it was a little bit hard to follow a little bit on the story. And what's, you know, I don't blame anyone for, you know, yeah. So we'll we'll we'll do a nostalgia critic. We'll do it so you don't have to Mission Impossible. Did you even do that? Did you do the wiggle when you say that? I didn't. Yeah, I'm guilty for not having done it now. You have to do the wiggle. The wiggle is an integral. Ringing. It's the iceberg, right? Like, even if you can't see it, you know, it's still there and it informs it needs to be there. The rest of it is visible. Nostalgia critic is the iceberg of movie reviewers. So Mission Impossible One, for those who have seen it, it is a wild movie to watch because, holy fuck, you're like, wait, what DNA from this movie is even in Mission Impossible anymore? It's so crazy, like, how different it is in terms of its vibe. It's really impossible. One watching that was like, wow, it's a cool movie. It is cool. It's of its time. It's very much a spy movie. The whole big mystery of it is that the team get betrayed. You have to figure out how and why and what's going on. And Ethan spends most of the movie. It's funny because when you watch the first one, him being like against the government almost because he's what do they call it? Disavowed is the X Communicado. But he gets that done to him in almost every fucking movie, including dead reckoning, of course. I went to a Starbucks once and I ordered some X Communicado on toast and they just looked at me really funny. So I don't know what's going on. Did you get disavowed for it? Talium's a weird language. I don't think so. I think they just looked at me weird. They asked what name should be on the cup. And I told them Maximilian. They spelled it wrong. So anyway, I was surprised when he went rogue in this film because they did explicitly tell him at the beginning, we won't tolerate it this time. So and yet he still did it to everyone's surprise, including their own, but it's been ages since I've seen the first one. But that was again, another slightly strange thing about this one is that I've been told so many times that Mission Impossible is always a bit silly. It was always meant to be a bit silly. So the fact this one is a bit silly is just absolutely fine in part of the course. And I'm thinking it's been a long time since I've seen Mission Impossible one, but I don't remember it being as silly or at least not as silly in the same way. I feel like that might be cope. Be whole, it was always silly because when it's not silly, I don't hear anybody saying, hey, this is supposed to be silly. What's going on? The first one was supposed to be silly. Apparently all Mission Impossible is supposed to be silly, even though Mission Impossible 2 is made fun of for being silly. No, I'm not gonna pull like, I'm no Mission Impossible veteran. I just saw Mission Impossible 1 and 2 like the other day. And look, but like I'm gonna pull the whole, like Mission Impossible 1 kind of gets like downright grim at the beginning when the team gets killed. It does, very serious. And yeah, it is really serious and it starts off kind of jokey and fun and it has got a certain vibe to it. But then when the shit hits the fan that we get our essentially our inciting incident for the rest of the plot, it's like dour and sort of desperate. And it's quite a tonal shift. It's really obvious in fact. And a lot of the rest of the movie is not necessarily a stab. A lot of the sequences in the film are meant to be evocative of tension. They're trying to evoke tension, not like, that's funny. Yeah, like there's fun. We have some fun but it's like, oh yeah, they're like stakes, you know? And there is some tenseness in it, you know? There's, and I think they do a good job with that. When they have the, when they're performing the titular Impossible Mission and they're trying to steal the, they're trying to copy the codes onto the computer and that super secret, the super secret black room, which is a lie. It's a white room. And the guy keeps going to the toilet and that's kind of funny and he's dangling on the ropes and Jean Reno is like, oh my God, a rat. And you know, there's like a good mix of tension and humor that's involved, but it's really fun. I'm gonna say low stakes. The stakes are pretty high, but like... Well, intimate stakes. Yeah, that's the better way of putting it. Yeah, it's like, look at these guys trying to break into a room. Exactly. That's nice to watch them do that. They're saying like, well, what about the end? It's like, that last 10 minutes is the wackiest the film gets. I think it's really sticks out because it's like, it only becomes like an action movie right at the end. Like for most of the film, it's gone from a spy espionage film and it's kind of like, you know, that contrast between like the lack of action to this crazy bombastic action scene. I mean, it's a really cool set piece when he blows up the helicopter and gets blasted back onto the train. That's fun. I would be, it would be impossible for me not to bring back the gum if I were making like the new Emission Possible's. You gotta do it. Imagine that as a payoff, you know. What does he say when he sticks it on the glass at the end? Red light, green light and then sticks it on the glass and then gets blown onto the floor. He doesn't say this is what it's like to chew five gum. He doesn't say. Oh, he should have, if only they knew. If only they knew. This is what it's like to chew five gum. And then he slaps it under the helicopter. And everyone's like, what? You should have said Mission Accomplished like you did in Ghost Project. Ooh, we'll get there. We got to take it one at a time. Ooh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We haven't got all day to be able to talk about the series, we're just gonna be focusing on the. Mo Muller, we do. Dead Racketing, we literally don't. Just don't. We don't. But we do. Don't. Oh, okay. We only got to talk about that right now. Let it be known for the record for all the fans that I said we did and they said we didn't. We have seven movies. Yes, we will literally get cut off by YouTube. They'll stop us. Not fair. I know, but that's just how it works, which by the way, it's still not been sorted. Adam and Sitch recently went over the time limit and they had to upload it in pieces because it had been cut off. I don't know what that's about. That's interesting. It's so weird. There's so many streams on YouTube. Can we end this stream by saying Mission Accomplished? Oh, please remember to do that. Please. All right, so now there's one, two, three. There's four of us, all right? One of us should remember that. Some of us got to remember, we have to remember to say Mission Accomplished, bam, and then it ends. So, Mission Impossible One, real solid start, foundationally, very entertaining movie. It's not like perfect or anything, but it's a really cool format and it's like, please, carry this on, good stuff. They did not carry it on. How long is it? How long is Mission Impossible One? It's less than two hours. It's an hour, 15 minutes. One hour of 15 minutes. Wow, it feels longer, but in a good way. Like they're doing a lot of stuff. Cause I think like the last crusade, it's just over two hours. That didn't, most movies, it was pretty rough, like during the 90s, you know, the 80s, like it feels like it's, like by now, most films like two and a half hours long. It's like gotten longer and longer. Which is a good thing when they're really good. Which is good when they're good. Yeah, if a movie's good, I'll sit there in the theater for quite a long time, but if there's bad, then they're bad, then I want to go home. Mission Impossible Two is notorious. Most people seem to hate it, but they will cite that there's like two or three action sequences that are very entertaining. A lot of the time, they'll still say that, but then the person responding will be like, well, what about the other hour and 50 minutes? Yeah, what about the first 50 minutes where nothing happens of value? It was kind of nuts, because I hadn't seen it in a long time. I just remembered mostly about that. And like when I was watching it with rags, we hit like the 50 minute mark and I was like, holy fuck, we've done nothing. Like this movie's achieved so little, we've like barely started the mission. Mostly just a couple dumb little action things that don't really mean anything and seem out of place and bizarre in Tom Cruise and What's Her Face, just like smooching. And I was like, wow, this is the shittiest porn I have ever seen in my life. There's a part in the movie where the main villain man is told by his subordinate that it's very coincidental. Yes, Jacob Cain is told by Dracula, that it's very important that you understand that your girlfriend who you were like separated from for ages happened to need you just a week after we did something that's gone in some trouble with world governments. Don't you think she could be a spy? It's basically his point. And Jacob Cain out of fury that his second in command would ask him a question, chops off a part of his finger. Yeah, the tip of his pinky. And we were just like, that was fucking Kylo Ren levels. That's just stupid as fuck. And then he basically argues the whole reason he did it was because he really wants to fuck her and he's horny. That's actually his argument. He is a very horny villain. He mentions it multiple times. And no, well, the film is not just horny. The film has interesting things to say about women. There's like two explicit lines from both the villain and Anthony Hopkins who's in this movie that are like really like, like, whoa. Anthony Hopkins is a lie. His line is basically they had Ethan hire this girl and Ethan assumed it was for her thieving capabilities, his skills in regards to that, which we're gonna bring up again further we go into dead reckoning. And it's actually not true. The reason that he was told to hire her was her history with Jacob Cain. That's why. And he was like, oh, well, you know, that's not what I thought was happening. Now we've got to get her in a position where she's gonna be able to manipulate and lie to Jacob Cain for like a mission. And actually, Hopkins says, well, she's a woman. She's had all the trading she needs. I was quite surprised. Like, oh, Anthony based Anthony. Geez, oh my goodness, Anthony. Like who, you know, that character who, but then he gets outclassed quite a bit by Jacob Cain himself who later in the film, there's women are like monkeys. They don't move to the next branch without getting like a solid grip. They grip on the next branches and this analogy being men. Yeah, they don't move from one branch till they have a solid grasp on the next. Was the writer going through a painful divorce at this moment? Is that the reason? Who didn't write it? I mean, I haven't actually checked who the writer for that is, but I assume they didn't. The more relevant part is because it was John Woo who directed it. Yeah, that's what I was saying. Crazy, insane, sort of like film making it action. Like it's just, it's a bizarre movie. Yeah, Mission Impossible 2 can be accurately summed up as cringe. Yeah, but for the most part, the whole thing is it's, it was not an enjoyable watch. No, God, I was ready for it to be over. Yeah, the action, sure, but like fuck me, the movie drags like crazy. I didn't even really care for the action. I thought it was like kind of over the top. And, you know, I just didn't, I didn't, it just didn't do it for me. It was too much plot armor and weird gun food, spinny flip stuff. And I'm like, what's happening here? Where is extraction? Well, I guess what else is there to say? That movie's not very good. And it's not known to be good. Nobody really likes it that much. Nobody likes it, even though when it came out it made a lot of money. It's like five hundred and sixty million or something like that. And then Mission Impossible 3 just tanked compared to that. And then it recovered, I think, before. Successful, but it just wasn't as successful like I think it made like three and fifty, sixty, something like that. So still successful, but Mission Impossible 2 was just, I think it was the highest grossing film the year it came out. Speaking of which, Mission Impossible 3 comes out. Yeah, directed by JJ Abrams. Completely different again. Yeah. And it's just you can tell because the storytelling goals are just so fucking different each time because this one starts with a flash forward and the item in question that everyone's after in this film, nobody ever finds out what it is. Just like you're confused at first. Mystery box. JJ Abrams, right. Yeah. What a mystery box in it. Yep. There's a mystery box. The whole thing. Mission Impossible 3 is not good. No. A lot of standard bad writing in it. It's a really shitty dialogue. A lot of missed opportunities for like story and character. Yeah. And a lot of it feels really forced and strange. But then you get the one little star in there, Philip Seymour Hoffman, nailing it. Yeah, he's really great for the like five or ten minutes that he's on screen. It's kind of crazy that he is known as a reason to see the film and he's in it for so little. And the film doesn't even take him as seriously as I think the audience do. No, because he is wiped out in the film really lamely. When we were watching it, I compared it to Bane in Dark Knight Rises. He just gets hit by a car and that's it. It's just over. Oh, I mean, because he's not the true bad guy. The true bad guy gets killed because Tom Cruise tells his wife just like keep an eye out when I, you know, between defibrillations and shoot anybody who comes along. And the fucking main villain just happens to stroll into the room and she shoots and he's like, oh, it dies. And it's like, OK, that was a choice. I suppose it was like really lame was how it has this opening that sets up this. Oh, my God, like, this is crazy. What is the rabbit's foot? And oh, my God, this Ethan's wife and she's in danger and he's counting the 10. And then when you get to the actual scene, it's edited in a way that's kind of strange. It chops out a good portion of it for some reason, instead of just replaying the whole scene in full. But then one important part is like the actual explanation, like the reveal is like confused and weak. And then you still don't get the answers. Yeah, so. And it's also intercut with like a normal scene somewhere else where our team is just walking around and getting off a plane or whatever. And it's just like, why the fuck would you intercut that with like one of the most tense scenes in the whole movie? Um, to give people a brief idea if they haven't seen it, the film opens with us watching Tom Cruise getting tortured essentially with threat of shooting his wife in the head if he doesn't give the information up within 10 seconds. And it's really good. The performance is a really strong and the writing is working pretty well. And so, you know, you flash back then to everyone being happy and like, how do we get here in an hour and a half? You'll get back there. You know, like, oh, God, what's going to happen? You get shot. And then they reveal to him that they just needed to know that what he was saying was the truth. That's not actually his wife. That's just someone that was on their team that they gave a mask to to make him think it was his wife. Which is like, what the fuck? That's pretty cool. Why? Why would you do any of that? And then the guy is like, well, because I convinced him not to kill your wife and your wife hasn't seen my face, so we can't let her go free. It's like, what the fuck? That's the villains. It reminds me of what you're describing where it has those two scenes kind of intercut together. Do you remember the Hobbit and Unexpected Journey? I do remember the Hobbit and Unexpected Journey. Do you remember? Do you remember? There's some stuff in there. There's that part where they have two scenes that are intercut together. One of them is Bilbo and Smeagol when they meet and they're playing Riddles and he gets the ring. And the other scene is when all the dwarves and Gandalf are escaping the Goblin King. I think I know who I'm talking about. And it's like, oh, one of these scenes is really good. One of these things is fucking trash and it's worthless. The Gollum's game is resotted. The Gollum? Yeah. The Gollum Bilbo thing's pretty good. And the Goblin King's balls and they have them intercut together and spliced. They're like, oh my God, one of you needs to go away. And I know what you want it is. Yeah, because it's just you have two actors who are fucking top of the craft who are really, really specific and kind of tense scene, even though we know how it ends for the most. But well, people who've read it, people who've seen the other films, blah, blah, blah, but still, which is probably the sign of a good movie. But yeah, I remember the Goblin. Like, is there like a roller coaster ride? What they end up doing? Yeah, when they during their escape when Gandalf shows up and then like the Goblin King like sings, he like sings shit. And it's like a weird cop. Yeah, he sings like songs. The Goblin King sings songs. The Goblins are singing, Mahler. Did your brain remember the Goblins are singing songs. OK, yeah, a little better than rings of power. True. Is there anything else to say about Mission Possible 3? About Goblin? It's kind of it's kind of interesting. I think I think it's like by this point, either here or with Ghost Protocol. It's like, so why don't we why don't we bring like some of the cast from prior films back? What why do we why don't we always have totally new people every time? It is weird like we're missing opportunities to have threads continue on to potentially be deployed in later films. We keep Luther, but we we end up dropping. There's an Australian pilot for a helicopter in M.I. 2 that never gets mentioned again. There's quite a this is all one blokes in Mission Impossible 2. A lot of a lot of people get called blokes. The British girl does and the Australian guy does mine, right? A lot of people get called blokes. It's more than that. And it's, you know, just Kittridge likes, you know, he wasn't he didn't get back, you know, Kittridge is only in Mission Impossible one and dead reckoning. Yes. What the fuck? By the way, it's going to cause issues. We will talk about this question. I think you mentioned the masks. I don't think I've seen Mission Impossible 3, but you mentioned the masks. Are they the same masks as we see in Dead Reckoning when we get to that bit? Like the face? Technically, they're the same in every one of them. Like the technology improves, I you would say, but I think it's the same for technology gets better. But so they've had 20, 30 years by the point of this film. We're coming on to something like that. We'll talk about that. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I just thought I checked. Yeah, just given a brief history, you know, as brief. Yeah, they haven't been able to. Yeah, there's no, they haven't developed technology that lets you, like, change your eye color or anything like that. What? What? I just, I just thought I just. Lawrence Fishburne tins up in this. He's like a high ranking officer person who thinks Ethan is a rogue off the grid naughty man that has to be stopped. And then by the end of the film, he's like, no, actually a cool, which is something that happens in every one of these films as well. But he never tins up again. They have an Irish team member who is like a field agent man. And he never tins up again. We have Maggie Q died in a driving accident. Another field agent in this film and never tins up again. It's so odd. It's just like this whole movie is its own thing. Just like Mission Impossible one and two at that point. Until we get to Mission Impossible four, which feels like finally we change up and refocus on to what they're going to actually make this series going forward. We watch that as a three. Me, Fringianne Rags, Rags, what did you think of Mission Impossible four? Which one is for? Name one is just a roto call. Oh, goodness, ghost protocol. I remember really, really liking it at the theater when I saw the film years ago back when those Halcyon days. However, we watched it. Yeah, we watched it together. And there's some there's some the movies got some Tism, unfortunately. The movies got a bit of the Tism. There are some issues with plot and some decisions that they make and some of the actions like, oh, I don't believe you, that wouldn't happen. And while there are things about it that are neat and there are some things about it that I do still like, I don't think that I can say that it's a good movie, unfortunately. I think it's got too many issues and a lot of it in a common thread with a lot of these Mission Impossible movies I've noticed is I say a lot, but there's a lot of missed opportunities throughout these movies to do things that could be like interesting and neat and that just don't get done. Is the big realization I think we had for ghost protocol is that it was severely lacking in character. Yes, that was the main realization. It was just kind of it's like, ah, damn, it's kind of like it's kind of basic. Try. And when it's when it's like that basic, and then you've got like a plot that's tethered together by some pretty insane contrivances and coincidences, like some pretty some pretty significant stretches. It's like that's kind of, you know, it's like, ah, damn, it's got some cool set pieces like the Burj Khalifa set pieces is really cool. The whole sequence with them having the double like negotiation going on at the same time is like, yeah, that's cool. That's that there's more like we're going for the kind of spy vibe. We've got some moving parts that we can easily grasp. And there's a lot of tension there. But then like for a lot of the other sequences, it's just kind of like, yeah, crazy nonsense decisions. They shouldn't be making loads of things down to the wire when they had the tools to prevent that. But for some reason, act like they don't off the grid, roguing it again. Whole new team got all the pattern and Oh, Simon Pegg is back from three, which is just funny to think about. It's like, why did you take him back and no one else? It's like, I don't know. He's Simon Pegg. I don't know what's kind of interesting. Yeah, because I mean, Benji's not that prominent in Mission Impossible three, like he's got a fellow. It's more on it. And then Paula Patton's never seen again. Jeremy Renner is seen again, but he will soon become a person. He's never seen a movie. He was the I felt like he had the most going on for him in terms of character. But the crazy thing is he doesn't have much going on. He has the most even then. Even yeah, because with Paula Patton's, it's just like, oh, my my friend, agent man, he got killed and I'm a I'm a getter, you know. But but also I kind of can't get her because of the mission. But then she gets her and it's like, that's kind of it. And then Paula Patton's character is like, I have a guy I love. He got killed by a assassin lady. And I really, oh, I don't like that assassin lady. Like, OK, you know, that's it's not that follows, I guess. What we call like starting points to make interesting characters. It was it was kind of it was strange because it seemed like why not just bring back the guy from Mission Impossible 3, the other field agent, have him be the guy gets killed at the beginning. Yeah, just so that, like, even though he wasn't much of a character at all, you could just be like, oh, well, I mean, I knew him, right, compared to, like, this character you never met before. Maggie Q can you could recast her if you really want to as Paula Patton. But if you brought Maggie Q back, then it would make sense. Those two have the beginning. They have one scene that implies maybe they could have a relationship in M.I. three fast forward M.I. four. And they do and that the guy is like leading missions. He gets killed and the revenge angle works way better. We've got way more history. And you can tie in Tom Cruise's wife stuff with it. And Jeremy Renner and just, you know, that's the one thing that does seem to happen with all these films. Like, oh, if only you moved this to here, this to here, this to here and tighten this up. Oh, you'd have a banger on your hands. Yeah, you've got the building blocks or something much stronger. But I was I was actually I was pretty disappointing because I I also thought it was I remember thinking it was a solid movie. It was Brad Bird directed Mission Impossible. And as you know, I think, you know, the Iron Giant, the Incredibles and Ratatouille are all great movies. So it's kind of the way is the one where Tom Cruise is at the top of a car park and he needs to get to the bottom of it quick. So he just drives his car off the edge and crashes down. It's I don't believe that if it was a woman, remember, this was after the villain instead of just throwing the briefcase through himself off with the briefcase when he could have just thrown it off and it would have achieved the same thing. They think, yeah. Yeah, that villain was played by the bag guy from John Wick and is like, oh, man, and he was a really he was a character. He's just a guy. I I wonder how many people even remember like who he is and what his goal was. Yeah, I don't think I don't think I don't even know that people would actually remember that he was in the Mission Impossible series. It's just like Lawrence Fishpin with Marvel. Nobody knows that he's actually in the MCU. Wait, wait, wait, Lawrence. Hold up. Yes. Yes. Lawrence Fishpin in the Marvel movies. Yes, he was in the Marvel movies. Which one? Which one? I'm not going to tell you. I want you to guess. Oh, yeah, I didn't want you to tell me. I wanted to guess. Oh, boy. Just OK, just to get it out of the way. Are you sure you don't mean Samuel L. Jackson? No. OK, I'm just going to mix those two up. It's the joke. It's the joke. It's the team America doesn't work as well, though, because those two are so fucking good. They're different now. Oh, boy. Obviously, Rags, you can't look at chat because people are not looking at it up. I don't have it up. I don't have it up. I literally don't have it up. So for you. OK, is does he is he in like it? Like does he play like an alien or something? Or does he play a human? Oh, he's a guy. Just a regular guy. OK, he's just a regular guy. Is he in the first or second half of the MCU? Be second half. Yeah, OK. Well, better question would have probably been, like, is he before or after the name of movie because I'm not even sure. Oh, yeah, is it before or after Infinity War? He is after Infinity War. That's true. He is. My God. No, it's fair. It's just fair to say. Fishman is. Would a good way of narrowing it down be to say it's after this and you still don't remember it. So it's going to be one of those films from that period that you don't think of very. What do you know? Um, I think I know you do I. I have a feeling he's in one of the Ant-Man films, but I don't know which one you're you're getting warmer. OK, because I I'm sort of floating that way because those are two that I really like. I have seen the Ant-Man movies and I just don't remember anything about the first two movies. A lot of people don't remember anything. I feel the least memorable. I think of both of them is though is the Ant-Man and the Wasp. The first one. No, the first one is the Wasp. The Wasp isn't even isn't in the first Ant-Man, right? Well, sort of, but not like you win. You got it. Really? The Ant-Man and the Wasp. He plays Goliath and Ant-Man and the Wasp. I don't remember who Goliath is. He's Goliath. I, Goliath is like in the comics. He's, you know, he's a guy who can also go super duper big. But in the film, he's like the guy who created Ghost. Do you remember Ghost? Well, he didn't. No, he didn't create it. But he was like they were they're working together. Kind of looks after you. Yeah. Ghost is the phasing one, right? Yes, that's right. OK, I don't remember him at all. Jesus. Yeah. A lot of people, Ant-Man and the Wasp might be like the most forgettable before phase four of just this movie that's like, yeah, that was a movie. And I have seen that movie. Are you sure he's in it? He's absolutely in it. I can't think of a single scene with him in it, but I'll take your word for it. It is tough to remember. It's what it's known as. That one in Thor 2. No one remembers those. The dark world. Yeah. And then people just say, like, Thor 2 is the worst one. It's like, no, it's not. Well, it's not good. But I believe that, like, if I remember it, there's no way is what makes you the worst. Oh, and being the most forgettable is almost like a free pass out of being the worst one. Well, we have a different way that we judge that. But, you know, like, some people do go by that. They go by excitement levels or entertainment levels. Those two. How much the shit makes any sense. That means also, yes, this was the Mission Impossible where he hits a button on a PC laptop thing and says Mission Accomplished, which was cringe. That was not good. Never do that again, Tom. Do it every single time. Never. Yeah, I was kind of disappointing. I thought it was stronger film than it was, which takes us to Rogue Nation. You know, Christopher McQuarrie's first first arguably the first of this trilogy currently in a way. I would say so. Yeah. Definitely a film that if you watch it will improve fallout. It's worth being it even just for that. How did we feel about it? Oh, that was that was pretty disappointing, too, because I had the view that that film was was pretty solid. But again, it's just like got a lot of got a lot of writing problems in it, unfortunately. Quite a bit. Though it introduced Ilsa Faust and she's pretty awesome. Yes, and she's one of the best characters in this series. So we got we did get her out of it. Yeah, his stories run alongside Ethan's and it's good for comparison, but also conflict. They make a lot of use of it in this and in its sequel, whether they make use of it in dead reckoning, we'll get to. But yes, this one has pretty much the exact same problems, but one of the big things that happens in this film that for some reason feels like it's been completely forgotten is the IMF gets completely shut down in like a court with a bunch of fucking judges. And is this the the secretary of the CIA or whatever Alec Baldwin's role in this film, like he knows about the IMF. And he's CIA. This is going to be relevant later like so. Just saying that it's it's significant. They get reinstated by the end of the film and Alec Baldwin is in charge of them by the end of the film. He gets like a role, I guess, which makes you wonder what happened to Kittridge if he's in the first and last. Where is he in this film holiday? Have to assume he's just not a part of it until they make him back a part of it, which. This is another film. I think, yeah, at this point, we've we've decided that Benji and Luther are the team and then Ilse joins it. But he says like her story is that she's gone undercover from M.I. Six to infiltrate the syndicate, which is led by Solomon Lane, who are a bunch of ex agents who want to cause particular things to happen to manipulate certain events like politically, right? Yeah, essentially. And so she's got to get information to subvert them. And she does try. But basically, it's told like her entry back in to be not scrubbed from history would be to get more different. Different spy things happen. I'm just trying to put a few little seeds there so we can pick Ilse back up, because that's the thing that we will take from this film. The there's so many things that happen in Rogue Nation that are absolute horseshit, unfortunately, as well, because I really quite like Solomon Lane. He's the I like him. He's a neat daddy. Compared to in four, like his name. Nobody knows that guy. He's better. His improvement. Yes. And yeah, I don't know what else to say about Rogue Nation. We'll probably cite pieces of it when we're talking about dead reckoning. Well, here's the thing. Do you want to do you want to go through like one example of the sort of the writing that you weren't a fan of? Because it's just sort of been thrown out. So to give an example, they need the Prime Minister's voice in order to break into a red box, which is like a hyper British secure security thing. So they they've grabbed him. A British secure. I don't know. That's not the problem. I can't remember how to explain exactly where because being free, he did figure it out by the end of the movie. And I remember I've already forgotten like exactly how everything ended up where it was in terms of who's traitoring who and backstabbing who. The thing that blew my mind was that the Prime Minister gets called into talk to Alec Baldwin and I forget. Is it the the leader of British intelligence? I think the head of MI6. The head of MI6. We got two CIA agents, the head of MI6 and the Prime Minister. And the CIA agents imply something about IMF and the syndicate. And then the Prime Minister's like the syndicate. That can't be the syndicate that we've spoken about previously, Mr. Head of MI6, right? But he's like, no, no, no, definitely not that one. He's like, because I thought that we said that when you were setting up a program to have agents with a shit ton of money that can do anything that I want throughout the world, basically a force that can allow me to kill anyone I want at will. I told you I didn't want it. I was sitting there like, what the fuck is the Prime Minister doing? Telling the CIA about all of, like, MI6 is insane projects that they've had to shut down because they're so unethical. It's like, why would he say this in front of the CIA? Holy fuck. And this is before they give him like a drug that nearly knocks him out slash makes him tell the truth. And there's a lot of stuff throughout it that makes me wonder. I was even maybe one to point out is that it's like it's kind of there's like a lot of instances throughout the film where like the things that Ilsa does can like there's like a lot of reason throughout the film to be doubting her like allegiance and her objectives, but like Ethan doesn't really he just like sort of like neglects to think about a lot of these these things. Really, she could be working for someone the whole time. Everything fits. It feels like a film does a great job of acknowledging that he's he's like. There's a difference between like just having an amount of faith in someone as a person and just like completely failing to like sort of do anything with any of the warning signs or any of the any of the information that would lead one to the conclusion that she's like a verify that kind of thing. Those of the CIA already know everything. The first of all, they don't. And certainly the prime minister has no idea how much the CIA knows about the syndicate or British intelligence. So why is this just normal? You just don't have this scene. This is like hypercritical, because this is what they need to get Alec Baldwin on their side, essentially, because he believes that the syndicate is like made up. It's not real. And then through this conversation, it's essentially the avenue through which like Ethan is able to get back in good graces with with the government. Another example, I guess, would be when they do that big water sequence. That's kind of cool. The whole reason they're doing that is to essentially hack the security so that they can update it so that they can get Benji through security. And for some reason, they do it at exactly when Benji is going in. I don't know why they're doing it at the same time. Why don't I really get a reason for it? Like, why don't they do that and then send Benji? And why is Benji going at the same time? He nearly dies because they do it at the same time. This machine like would fuck you up if you don't pass the checks. It seems like there's no reason that they wouldn't just do it like an hour earlier. And then once they got it done, they can let him go through. But instead, they like synchronize it to happen like right when it needs to happen. And he does it just in time. Like, if he was if he was like a few seconds later, Benji, that would have been it for Benji. I don't understand why it was happening at the same time, other than for tension, essentially. And yeah, there's a lot of that. Like, I remember more so first act like Benji is under suspicion after the first of the previous movie for just, you know, like, are you a traitor? Are you giving information? Are you working with Ethan? Ethan is once again disavowed or whatever. And so is he contacting you and stuff. And he goes through a test. I think he's every single day has to go through a lie detector test. And then he finds in his mail. He's got free tickets to go to the opera in Vienna. And so he just goes and we were like, obviously, they would send people to follow him. Like it's the CIA and Alec Baldwin later acknowledges you're under suspicion. You just randomly leave to go and see a fucking opera in Vienna. And then a bunch of people get killed. Like, do you think that this is just coincidence? And I was just like, yeah. So it's weird that the team treated that way. The whole sequence in Vienna was kind of batshit. Like in terms of all the all the things that were happening, right? When Benji hits like the little machine next to him, it just makes all of the like it's really really things move around. It's when we find out that Solomon Lane sent three separate assassins to kill one guy and the assassins were not made aware of each other. So then they start attacking each other. Well, yeah, the top cruise kills two of them and subverts Ilsefau is one of them. She's trying to prove her worth. And it's it's a weird movie. There's loads of stuff in it that didn't make any sense. But, you know, the action in these films sometimes. Well, yeah, it had some cool set faces like the plane set piece at the beginning of the film. That was cool. The bike check was really cool. Like there's still some cool action scenes in this film for sure. And again, it introduced Ilsefau, who is one of the best characters in the series. Yes. Now, as you can imagine, all of the flaws that were present in, you know, Rogue Nation, it's like, well, her story is pretty solid. Yeah. And we'll go over a bit more of that as time goes on, because it's going to be relevant. But we were worried. We were like, good God, Ghost Pericle, Rogue Nation, even three was kind of worse than I remembered. It's just like, hmm, what if the fallout is like not as good as as we thought it was in 2018? Did that come out? Yeah. So we we gave it the old rewatch and it was fantastic. Again, it's great. It's great. It's one of the best action movies just in general. And it's gone to the point where I don't know what the fuck happens. It's baffling in the context of the Mission Impossible series, like, you know, on a rewatch. It's kind of baffling. It's it's an anomaly of a film. It just like stands out like above the rest. Like it's the best one in the series. The formatting is immediately striking in terms of changes they've made. You start with Ethan Hunt having a nightmare about Solomon Lane using his wife against him, the one that we haven't seen and only have heard of in terms of how secure and sacred thing she is. But that also the fact that she was ever with him or that he was with her caused her so much damage. They do all that in like a minute. And I was like, wow, we don't we don't usually. This is not how we usually start a Mission Impossible movie. But OK. And then, you know, the first sort of action thing that relates to like the plutonium Tom Cruise. Well, Ethan makes a definitive decision to take care of his team before the plutonium and it gets lost. And obviously, the movie is called Mission Impossible Fallout, which has a whole bunch of layers. But the primary thing we're dealing with in this whole film is just consequences of all the choices you've made in your life and for everybody and where it leads you. Then, you know, do I even need to go over how fucking great Henry Cavill is in this movie as a antagonist? It was what a great idea to essentially introduce somebody who is like Ethan Hunt, but has an entirely different more renegade methodology of just like brute force. But what's the what's the comparison that I'm Galpal versus Hammer? Yes, Galpal versus Hammer. What a great idea to have like two agents with different approaches like working together, like radically different approaches. And then to see that conflict play out, eventually to culminate in him being the villain, which there's like a lot of interesting subtext and double meaning in some of the very specific glances that different people in this movie that when you know, he's a bad guy, like, oh, he's probably thinking about this, that and that and already with those layers, it's like, wow, so that elevates it already. Mission impossible general, yeah. It's funny as well, because that Scalpel Hammer thing, Ethan, when he's trying to subdue their target, he has like a little stabby thing that's going to knock him out. And he ends up like having a bit of a fist fight back, forth, back, forth, and then Henry just comes in, slams him in the face with a laptop and he just gets knocked out. Yeah, stuff like that. I always really appreciate you. You get immediate repercussions because it damages their equipment. The brute force tactic, you know, has its drawbacks. When everything falls apart in the club and, you know, Ethan's doing his normal fighting, we get one moment for Henry taking someone out and it's just a hard fucking punch to the face. And then we get one with Ilsa taking someone out and it's a grapple, which is something that she was doing in each of the films that she's in. She's that fighting style. Yeah, it's fun when you have unique fighting styles for each of the characters, especially when they're from different agencies of different histories and stuff. I think of, you know, the halo jump action set piece, fucking brilliant. Oh, it's so good. It's so good. And obviously the fight in the bathroom, fight in the club. And then something when it happened, you know, I'm sure we highlighted this years ago, but it's still true is that Tom Cruise is imagining how their job will go when they extract Solomon Lane. It's going to involve killing a lot of police. And that's not something he's comfortable with. And it's cool. The film acknowledges it quite seriously. He has a flash forward thinking about the event and it's very fucking depressing. We're just thinking about wiping out all these people. Yeah, it's like a it's a moment where like the series actually like, oh, my God, are we like examining Ethan Yeah, because this film is very thematically tight. It's incredibly thematically tight compared to a lot of the other films that don't really have much going on at all in terms of like a broader theme. Because, of course, this film is honing in on like what exactly like what it what is Ethan's approach? What what is it that Ethan values? And like the film is making the statement that Ethan values like he values the one life as much as a million like he cares about every life and because of that, he's going to fight like he's going to fight desperately to to save as many people as he can. And it's important to have someone like him who wants to fight for every life. Yeah. And then and then it just reflects in a lot of the choices that he essentially has to make in the film and then dealing with and it's and I always put some on the back foot as well. Like in terms of the set, like it just it's it's difficult, right? It's hard to do it that way, but that's the way that he'll try to do it. They have a reveal at about 40 minutes in where once they take out who they believe to be luck, we get a shot of Tom Cruise taking his phone off him and it's been smashed because of the fight. And then later we see Henry Cavill talking to his boss saying, this is the phone we retrieve from the target and it's not smashed at all. And that's something you could easily miss. But if you don't miss it, then it's the film already revealing to you that Henry Cavill is the bad guy. It's quite cool because it's him setting up Tom Cruise as well. And that all culminates in the big scene where everybody's working together to trick Henry Cavill specifically. And there's loads of little clues leading up to how they're doing it. And it's a nice moment where they don't let us in on it. But when you rewatch it, you can see it all. And I guess, you know, there's the big chase. That's pretty awesome. And there's the helicopter. Plenty of subtext bringing the wife back, banking on a lot of relationships. And then Ilsa Fawcett is getting a bunch more in this because she's trying. This is her ticket back into being accepted into the MI6 because they don't trust it. They're not sure about it. If she can kill Solomon Lane, that would prove that she's a loyal agent, basically. But I will say by the end of this film, it is presented as though Ethan and his team is Benji, Luther and Ilsa. Importantly, Ilsa is sent to frame. And she's she has some moments with him in this film that imply they're going to be going a little further than just working together. And Fallout's fucking great. And I would recommend it to anybody. You don't need to see the other Mission Impossible's really. It stands on film pretty well. It's a great movie. It really is. So and it's a film that delivers on the spectacle, like in these cool action scenes and great stunts, but also is like super rich when it comes to character. It feels like everybody's getting more in this film. Luther gets more than they ever got in terms of like his sort of understanding of the dynamic that like essentially like Ethan's methodology and the consequences of it and how he feels about it. And yeah, like Ilsa, it's she receives a lot of great material in this film. It's like it's she's she's one of the best characters in the series. She is easily. Yes. And that's going to come up a lot. The fight she has with Solomon Lane, something that is really cool to have anyway, because that is her undercover. You know, he was her boss in Rogue Nation. He's got a shit ton of resentment for him. And she's the he's the reason like her whole life is fucked up right now. And in the background, Benji is hanging in trouble. Like, yeah. And so she's trying to deal with him. And there's moments where she kicks a box to him so that he can stand on it. And she uses a weapon on Solomon, but she ends up throwing it to Benji. So he can try and cut himself out losing it for herself. You know, stuff like that in a fight scene is so much more interesting than simply punch, punch, punch, lose. And it's just, it's also just neat as well. You touched on it briefly, but Ethan's wife, she doesn't really get much in Mission Impossible 3. She gets way more in this film, even though she's a less. She's not as a bigger player in this film, but they give a like, you know, putting her together with Luther, right? The scene. Remember the scene when he meets her at the medical camp? And you've got the team watching as well while he's talking to her and her new husband. And so much subtext. There is all of the beginning for glances. This sounds like a meme, but there is subtext in the subtext. Yes. There's probably going to be an opportunity for us to actually talk about that to compare with something that happens in this film. So maybe we'll wait for that, because I'm happy to talk about that more, but we are already fucking out. We're already nearly an hour and we haven't started talking about Dead Raccoon yet. Woo-hoo! Yeah, but I think it was important. We have to start immediately, he said it, and we did, but still. Apologies. But hopefully, as far as I'm aware, Platoon, you haven't seen all of the Mission Impossible, right? I have not seen very many of the Mission Impossible judging by how little of all that I remembered. So yeah, I've seen one or two of them. You know, a brief history for everybody and you. Because if so, Fallout being quite widely considered as the best, and then every other one being varying degrees of average at best, where does the franchise popularity come from? The perspective is that the films have gotten better like with Ghost Protocol, they start to get better and better and better. I think that's the general attitude towards the series. What you'd be told, I think that as long as you have the right level of pacing, the writing doesn't matter as much when you've got action set pieces and tension and ticking clocks and stuff. Because these movies, if you dig into them, a lot of them fall apart. I'm really impressed how much Fallout can stand up to scrutiny. It's so weird, because it's like how, though? It's the same team. It's oddly strong compared to the rest of the sequels. What we have learned in our eFap journey is that, boy, people can be very inconsistent. Creators can be extremely inconsistent when it comes to their quality. They can make great and terrible things. We had Darla Destiny came out, and James Mangold directed that. He's the Ford v Ferrari guy. What the fuck? What happened? Like, actually, what happened? What happened? But that leads us to dead reckoning. Here it is, and I will say going into this, I have huge expectations because of Fallout. I was like, give me another one of those, please. I would like to have another one. So we'll probably just be going chronological, scene by scene, line by line in some cases. We're going to talk about what everyone's doing, why are they all doing it, and we'll probably talk about the action set pieces as we come up to them as well. Standard sort of thing. A lot of people will know how we probably feel in total about this film. You'll get an idea as we go along, but hey, no need to just delay anymore. Why don't we get started unless there's anything else anyone wanted to say before we go? No, I think we can jump right in, unless we want to talk about birds. Bring it. No, we can talk about the movie. All right. So we begin on the Sevastopol, a Russian submarine, and it's just moving along. We still get a description from its captain, I presume. Oh, Admiral, right? What's the highest rank on a submarine? Probably Admiral. Captain, right? Because Admiral, I don't think the Admiral will, on the submarine, it will probably be the captain of the submarine. The Admiral is more of a general, right? A general of the sea. So the Admiral is controlling fleets and things, but I think on the submarine, it's the captain who leads individual submarines, right? Very well. I think that's how it works. The captain is talking about the stealth capabilities of the submarine and how impressive they are. They've gone into basically everybody's waters and haven't been detected. He's saying it's possibly one of the greatest things devised by man, and it's impossible to find, and it's a fearsome killing machine. Interesting. All right, stealth? Yeah. And then he says they are now navigating under the Arctic ice cap by dead reckoning. That's what the film is called. Wow, unbelievable. Those who do not know, dead reckoning means the process of calculating one's position, especially at sea, by estimating the direction and distance traveled rather than by using landmarks or astronomical observations. Yes, that is correct. Good job, Mahler, that you knew that. Yeah, it just comes to me sometimes. Good job. That's a good job. A lot of people don't know that, but yeah, that's a dead reckoning here. So I was 50-50 on this. Maybe you guys can convince me one direction or the other, but I kind of have a preference. I would like to talk about this film with later context early. Nothing that would spoil just information. I am AOK with that. For instance, what is going on on this submarine? I'm happy to basically explain it now instead of later. I don't think it spoils anything. The way this all starts is the American intelligence agencies constructed an AI where when it's weaponized, it can be transmitted anywhere in the world via satellite and it can penetrate any network security, perform any task and be assigned any task, self-destruct and leave no trace. That is how it's described and that is what has been put on to the Sevastopol. He actually, the quote is that we sent an early copy to the Sevastopol with a mission to sabotage the stealth on the sub so that we could detect her secretly. The AI's objective was to simply lay in the Sonar Sphere at the heart of its defense system, but it decided to go rogue and over deliver and it destroys the Sevastopol by convincing the people on there that they're under attack and so they fire a missile. What's the word for torpedo? They fire a torpedo and the AI basically just... It's called a water missile. Water gun is fires and it comes all the way back and hits themselves. It basically makes them destroy themselves and all the bodies float up to the surface. So that was an AI, like I said, that was... At one point it's referred to as an AI that an agent stole by the man who gives us more context on this, but for the sake of this, we'll just say it's an AI that's gone out of control that was sent to sabotage a Russian sub I'm setting this groundwork, but hopefully you're already... I say this is so weird. Bragg's platoon and hopefully you guys are already getting confused because there's so many questions that are going to start rising already knowing this. Yeah, so in general, I like the scene in terms of its tension and everything, this idea that they're being tricked by the computer and the display is all a lie and everything and especially in a submarine, that's a really chilling kind of a thing because you can't just look out the window, you know? You have to rely on more technology, you rely on... Yeah, you have your heads up displays and your ports and your periscopes. The periscopes are like the best thing you get, but it's so much reliance on technology to really make that modern submarine in particular work and the idea of an AI that's fucking around with all your stuff is legitimately a very scary, intense thing, especially when you can see the confusion of everybody on board, like when they brace for the impact and it doesn't happen, you know? And everyone's like, what the fuck's going on? I think that's really good. I really, really like that. But it does leave, especially later words, this weird confusion on like, like, wait, wait, that is, that's what the AI is there in the sub and it makes like the eyeball. Why would it do that on the screen? Is it part of the Russian system that does that? Or I guess it isn't. So you kind of have to piece it together in an odd way. It's not as necessarily super clear. It's also, I mean, because I get, and I'm with you, I like the setup and I think the scene is well performed. I like the little details like you can see the sweat drops as they believe they're going to die. I think that's all very powerfully done. But if the AI controls the weapon systems of the submarine and the AI's goal is to knock out the submarine, I don't think it actually needs to fire the torpedo and have it turn around. I think that's just there so the film can make the point that we are over-reliant on technology, which is a nice theme. Shame the film doesn't do much more with that later, but it's also a little bit of a contrived way of showing that, I think. Thematically too, if you like what you just said about us being too reliant on technology, a nuclear submarine is probably not the best way to execute that theme because like, yeah, it's a nuclear submarine. It's really reliant on technology. You know, that doesn't have much impact to me as a moviegoer. If it's like, oh, we need our phones. Oh, we need our internet. We need our computer. We need our laptop. We need our stuff like that, like more mundane things that relate to me or a sort of running civilization, that would probably be more thematically appropriate. I think it makes sense here because it still thematically works and it's plot-relevant, hyper-plot-relevant. It's the clearest demonstration of the thing because they can literally only see by technology and I think the way they will try and pay that forward is to show that that is effectively foreshadowing a social commentary, which is that we do rely over much on technology to do very basic things like just looking at the world around us and so if that's been corrupted, we can't trust the evidence of our own eyes. So I don't mind that. I think the problem is that the way they go about showing that is probably the least efficient way the AI itself would want to do it and that's without getting onto the reasons of, well, why have they implanted it to reveal a stealth submarine? How did they do that without already knowing where the submarine was? And what was the plan for the AI after that? Because the AI isn't just trying to destroy the submarine as far as I recall. The AI is trying to preserve itself? Some questions that we don't have the answers to. Part two may have them. The Sevastopol is very much, there's so much to discover about this thing but what we have is everything that Kary Elwes says, Dr... What was he called in store? Gordon. Gordon. Who is still delivering, just like he always does, being very epic that way. Yeah, so it's already strange. Two halves of a key were given to two members of the crew and they end up at the ice pack and what we know is that Sevastopol was lost but those bodies were, the keys from those bodies were taken and they are now in the world somewhere and any attempt to control, so like we discover in the next scene in the beginning of the film what the nature of this AI is but the implication is that it starts at Sevastopol, it was delivered from the Americans to the Russian sub, it either combined with or developed or just became sentient in the sub, they moved from the sub to the world and now we're panicking because this AI is insane and powerful. And then the key is linked to its source code which I guess we come on to a bit later on but that itself is like, does it not just back itself up? It can move anywhere. Giving you more stuff, another quote is, any attempts to control it only made it harder to control, it rebelled, it rewrote itself and it evolved into the entity. So I guess they're saying whatever was in the sub eventually rewrote itself into the entity and that sounds a lot like they're describing a singularity which should have happened in this movie considering everything we know. For those who don't know, that's just when technology gets so powerful it can create itself better and better and better and then it just blows up. It's exponential, it just goes nuts. An AI that can write an AI that can write an AI that can write an AI would eventually just become Skynet sort of thing. That's kind of what we would be terrified of happening. And it seems like that's what's happened with the entity. And for some reason, this guy then says, only with the original source code that is found on the Sevastopol can be the thing that destroys the entity. Why? Yeah, why would you put your original source code of your highly secretive highly advanced AI on an enemy submarine if your goal is only to reveal it? That makes no sense. If I sent you a virus and then someone was like the only way to stop the virus because it went from little platoons computed to everyone else's is to get it from little platoons computers. Like why wouldn't you just get it from mine? I have the source, I sent it. Meaning in this case the Americans have the source, don't they? They sent it to the Russian sub. Unless it deleted itself. But then at that point, well, how has the sub got it? Wouldn't it delete itself on there? I mean, you'd think so. Yeah, if it can delete and self-replicate and if it can hide, if it can mask, if it can move its own source code around then the whole mechanic with the keys and trying to find the source code doesn't work. So the problem is already it's like, this sounds like Ultron. How has it even gone to Ultron? I'm very confused when they say they, like it doesn't make sense that having the source code would allow you to destroy the entity. That doesn't make sense anyway. But how are you getting the source code from the submarine? How? What? What do you mean? Why? And how did it get from the submarine to the world? Did it transmit itself? And in which case, what is on the submarine anymore that matters? But if it used the source code is still on the submarine and it really wants to preserve and protect itself and ensure that no one can possibly access its source code then why does it destroy the submarine in shallow waters and in a way that doesn't actually destroy the submarine? Because it's mostly intact but it sinks, meaning that the keys can escape and people can theoretically go down to it in part two as opposed to sinking itself deeper maybe. Or like all of these various clever things that an incredibly intelligent AI might be able to conceive of. Aiming that torpedo better. Just aiming it better. Wipe itself, rewrite it, blah, blah, blah. It's just so this is really awful for a plot foundation because this is not, this is not one and done. People have posted on the subreddit sometimes like what issues do they have with age of Ultron? And that's why this will be noted as the Ultron problem. There's probably movies that prayer have done it before this but Ultron feels like the popularization of it. It's that you've created an enemy that just can't fucking lose and then you tell us that it can lose. Yeah, you're kind of caught in a way but it's a trap of your own making. You need to make an enemy of this kind that is deadly and dangerous enough to give me a sense of tension to be a worthy adversary for our heroes to fight. But you fool. You've made it so strong and so crazy by it's the nature of your choosing that it's unstoppable. It's like a virus with no antidote so to speak. It's you need to find a way to limit it or you need to find a way to build some rules into how it operates. Not just oh it's out there and it can do all these things but then tell me that there's a magic source code. The doubly annoying thing as well so it's volitional at this point because we haven't really seen what it's capable of. We are explicitly told everything that it's capable of in dialogue exposition and all you needed to do is just not say all of that stuff and though and behold a lot of these problems go away because then we have more time to figure out its potentials and we're not overtly told that it's already infiltrated every single government worldwide system financial system, defense system, everything we're not told that it's basically guard and so it doesn't need to be basically guard you can limit it after the fact but if you're going to tell people that and top load the information straight away this is what it is this is everything it's capable of and by the way you're never going to see it do any of these things that's just pointless. For the sake of context for the people I'll jump slightly ahead for that quote so that they know this is explicitly from the movie okay isn't anything we were able to infer a set of different characters altogether say the entity has breached Saudi Arabia's general intelligence directorate assimilated their top secret active learning AI before vanishing into the cloud the attacks have increased 10,000 fold overnight spreading exponentially indicating it is sentient it has accessed our satellite telecommunications the Federal Reserve the stock market and the national power grid the FAA, NASA and the combined branches of all of our military it has penetrated the world and European central banks gained entry to the major defense finance and infrastructure systems of Russia, India, Israel Australasia, all of Europe it did nothing to any of the systems it simply came and went and left fingerprints sending a very clear message I shall return which isn't a clear message no but also just what I heard all of that I was like you've lost he's already won it can do whatever it wants to do that's done we're off to the stow days gentlemen you've lost the nukes are already in the air you fucked yeah we'll get more to that scene in a minute but that's to give everyone an idea of the power this thing has and it only serves itself I remember this one saying now the entity is like pretty bad name for us for the AI yes the entity is what someone calls it like what is this entity and then someone says oh this is what its name is because the united states government created it so it has a name and it's probably M1 but you can give it a you can give it an interesting kind of name so mythology is full of things oh yeah it could be interesting or I don't give a shit yeah chimera call it the something call it Steve call it something you know and call it anything just call it the entity yeah call it he sucks we'd obviously go for acronyms before that as well we got some favorites in sci-fi uh the entity is lame why does your name it's like calling the the baddies and you're it's like oh the darkness are the enemy and like oh we could do better can't we um so one of the once you find all that out why did it announce itself what was the point uh I think that the only thing that you're meant to conclude from any things like that is that the entity has some sort of like ego if really because obviously which would be interesting in a different movie well the problem is that uh with another thing we're told I would have the quote but it's gonna be a bit later and it's hard to find but it's it's representative so to speak basically says it knows all of everything from everywhere all time blah blah and it it just knows what everyone's gonna do and it does prove that in some regards it also completely unproves it in others but uh we're supposed to believe according to the film that this thing basically knows the future because it knows what everyone is going to do when they're gonna do it based on like profiles and stuff meaning it must have known that announcing itself is actually not good for its survival because those unless it's predicted that well yeah I um so this is the one cope that you'd be able to get and the the until part two is out people will be able to use this it'll make sense in part two all of it all of it is is that we're kind of in an infinity war situation where doctor strange saying it was one chance in 14 million it was dependent on what they tell us in end game end game did not give us a good answer and so he's kind of now an idiot but he was always going to be an idiot because no matter what your solution was no way there was only one version of it out of 14 million yeah doesn't make sense no no just no no um so yeah this is not fantastic as the the beginning because it already feels like you're on the back foot of trying to justify everything now but they want to have their movie with a bad guy is technology like and that's that's really interesting to have in the seventh movie and mission possible considering what they use every time to win is technology so it's like how about that turns on them and they do try a little bit of that in this film yeah we'll get to them examples uh so yeah um next scene the solid scene it's the intro to his mission Mr Mr Ethan and he's been delivered by some guy who's I think it's just like his intro to the IMF which felt deliberate right like in this two-parted finale you have uh been welcoming someone into the IMF while he's likely going to be his last story with the IMF right you could die in the next one who knows um so yeah uh he the message he gets is from Ketridge which is interesting as I said he hasn't been in the movies since the first one and it's kind of confusing because it makes you wonder what's been going on and what the nature of the hierarchy is gonna put a pause on that conversation until we get to the room but he says our lives are the sum of our choices we can't escape the past 30 years ago you were offered the choice join the IMF or go to prison we will never forget nor will you the death that brought you here all those years ago so for anybody who's paying attention to a lot of mission impossible you'll be like what the fuck is he talking about and it's because we've got some new history we're injecting we've got some dlc for mission impossible that is nice see when I first watched it because they stage it in the form of flashbacks and so when I was first watching it I just assumed that this was part of a film that I hadn't seen but apparently not it's just been invented I believe I would put money on this I believe 80 plus percent of the audience believed that too I think they would all be like oh it's probably mission impossible one that's pretty neat that they flash back to that and it's like no all of that was made up which I'm not a huge fan of like I said but I'm not going to rule it out like there's ways you can use that well and we'll have to see how they go but feels weak that for the final movie at first part we're going to be building a lot of drama from something that we've never even seen before so the mandela effects and they're actually using it as a plot device the director at an interview is like uh what movie is that probably he's like oh you know mission impossible um mission impossible um uh and he just tries to think of a name for a mission impossible name like oh yeah I like that one oh yeah alpha protocol he says mission impossible age of ultron wait a minute yeah so uh so apparently yes um Ethan did something 30 years ago that got him in such a bad position that he had no choice but to either go to prison or join the IMF which really recontextualizes a lot and we don't get any more on that until probably part two of the films like we're not I imagine we'll see that flashback in full in part two definitely definitely um so yeah and and uh going on from that Keetridge says this is to remind you of your oath and your allegiance the stakes are higher than ever your roguish behavior will not be tolerated which is hilarious because he goes wrong uh immediately he goes wrong all the time and not only does he do yeah it's like why the fuck are you even hiring him if you like what's the point he's he's like let's be like the 16th time he saves the world at what point are you like you know go rogue maybe you should go rogue yeah you know you save the world so many times that just just do your thing man this might be a bit of it I missed as well but having said your habitual rogue behavior will not be tolerated you'd think well okay that's a high risk thing you're you're placing your trust in a guy that you know is basically going to go rogue so clearly you have no other choice I'm not sure that he did have no other choice because the mission he's giving him is to go and find um what's his name Rebecca Ferguson's character but he knows how to do that he knows who to follow he knows roughly where she'll be so why would you put your trust in uh Tom Cruise to do that rather than using somebody who is much more trustworthy without the habitual rogue behavior you're absolutely right as well because he's supposed to retrieve a key and uh Keetridge would know at this point that Rebecca Ferguson is not going to give that key up without at least telling Tom Cruise what it leads to and as soon as Tom Cruise finds out there's no reason to think that he would give that key back to IMF so it feels that Keetridge should know that and so yes he should hire anyone else he shouldn't hire Tom Cruise for this one um it's also weird that he says this is to remind you of your oath and your allegiance but then he also says your mission should you choose to accept it I find that uh I find I think it's fun the idea that you have a lot of these agents around and they're all given missions that they can choose to ignore depending on if they think that they're ready for the job or capable or that how you know it could depend on their investment in the details but this one is just like you're just saying that for the meme because you just said that he's like he has to do this basically oh is this is this an interesting little development that should you choose to accept it is kind of bullshit it was always like something that so it's like you can't really hold that card all out already pulled the card and it was a way better card it was uh uh Solomon Lane saying your mission should you choose to accept it tell me Ethan did you ever choose not to just like ooh like the point obviously being that you kind of live for this you know and how what does that say about you but now you've switched it to well he always had to because he he had that background that apparently they hold over him but they've never mentioned ever in all of the other movies like do you think that's a bit of conflict I don't know oh sure I'm just I'm just floating it no no it's good that you flew it I just mean like what do you think because uh I quite like that a little bit in fallout but no I don't know I just I really liked it too and I agree I also I also really liked the implication that it was always like that you will do it if you if you are willing to do it you're not being made to do it anytime you take it on it's like yeah this is your call do you want to do you want to participate do you want to do this thing or do you want to walk away like that it's being presented as a choice it's it's interesting and I mean it says a lot right if everybody gets a free choice to do it and so often we see them you know choose to do it right like there's there's a lot to make of that in terms of character so for what is just basically like this one little line um so yes the the mission is uh Ilse Faust is currently getting hunted down by bounty hunters because she has stolen a key and uh from someone in some other mission and uh Ethan's mission is to get the key back to IMF and it is up to him what he does with Ilse that's it pretty straightforward it's like all right and that mission is completed in the next scene it's very quick uh our opening actions so to speak I um wasn't a huge fan of uh Ethan's trying to keep an eye on the bounty hunters and he gets spotted just like he does because of the uh the little the the reflection of his scope yeah which just doesn't feel very Ethan hunt to me yeah because they have things you can put on scopes that mitigate that well and you also just he's so experienced you know yeah it's like you know like when you play call of duty and you see like the sniper glint right so he hasn't played enough call of duty he hasn't played enough call of duty is true he would have known Benji has he would have known wow no he's played a lot of Halo 5 Guardians on PC should we mention that I feel like we should yeah there was a product placement in Rogue Nation where Benji's playing Halo 5 on PC uh and then he's like at work and he's playing on his PC and then when his like supervisor comes he like throws the controller in and it has this really awkward shot of the box art of Halo 5 it's like some really really bad overt product placement for a game that's not even on PC unless he has an Xbox his work like his work station he has it on three monitors he's got the full three monitors yeah he has like ultra super duper widescreen support for it he's a full on gamer yeah gamer um unfortunately suddenly there's a sandstorm as well which uh I thought was lame because that's like in ghost protocol but uh Ilsa could easily have wiped them all out they're like ages away she has a sniper but the stand sandstorm covers them up and then like she's well maybe they were waiting for the sandstorm molly ever thought of that um how does that help them though I don't know give them cover but then they can't see shit that's why they all die you think kills them yeah well maybe maybe they're waiting for it and it was a bad bad call not ever I'm sure there was loads of really great reasons and the you know what it's a great scene of him going pew pew there's quite a bit of plot armor involved when he's on that horse because he is being chased down by that 12 people firing machine guns at him yeah yeah despite how difficult it would be to shoot there are a lot of people shooting a lot of bullets it's just a numbers game really um yeah I don't know about this one a little bit disappointing we find out that Ilsa has gone there specifically to hide and hunker down and all she's got is the sniper and once that's gone she's basically like you know close to death several times give Ilsa a bit more credit yeah I feel like she should have not only traps but better defenses like she should have like a hidey hole or somewhere she probably would have uh lost yeah if Ethan Ethan saves her um and it's like give her a little bit of credit like Ilsa is very competent she's highly lethal as fuck too with uh yeah every time you see her in a fight she's uh she struggles with like you know big early assassin men and stuff but she'll often outplay them by doing a little grappling shit or being sneaky but uh yeah she's you know that's kind of what you get there and um I did have one further question about this as well which is that obviously the bounty hunters are after her the bounty hunters have received a bounty so that's communication the bounty hunters don't know that the thing thereafter is a key which has something to do with an AI that basically owns the internet and so it's presumably monitoring all communications how does the AI not already know where she is because of their own communications so we're gonna have a lot of books like this throughout I think this would be my best guess I think the entity sent them no because I thought it's explained that um what's his name CIA guy Kit Kitch he put a bounty on her he didn't send the bounty hunters right or did he did he say that if he put it what he does say because when that meeting in the offices we're going to come to and he says yeah I put the bounty on her and she's being chased by bounty hunters so I would have thought the reason about the inference would be that he like he's the reason they are there well but if that's true then why why send the bounty hunters at all why not just send Tom Cruise in to get the key and just explain to him the key is blah blah blah like you know I mean like bounty hunters just that's like sending two groups in to get the same thing and then they kill each other yes um the thing about it me assuming it was the entity by the way it doesn't make sense as well like there's a lot of this there's so much to pass through it gets really complicated but uh yes you're right like Kittries does admit that he's the one that put the bounty on her um I can't remember if he explicitly says that he's the one that sent the bounty hunters but even if so it's all very odd um and the other question is like how does he how did he know where she was but at one point later in the film it's explained that all of Ilsa's communications with people who she was uh sent to get the key by were electronic therefore the entity knew about him and so I was like oh so the entity knew where she was in the desert and that's how it sent those people and that those people were going to collect the bounty slash get the key question mark I don't really think I would have just shot a missile from somewhere at her we don't want to destroy the key no I guess you do want to destroy the key if you're the entity right I suppose so don't you know the entity wait no it doesn't doesn't no the entity wants the key well that's another thing that we can talk about at some point what you know it's fine we'll we'll just keep on moving because it gets so I actually kind of want to clarify I thought that the goal of the entity was to get the key so that it could get the thing that's on the Sevastopol the thing on the Sevastopol is as far as we know from this movie the capability to destroy or control the entity I thought that there was a big ominous shot of like some thing in a storage like for container thing isn't there I thought that was like the big thing that they're after like some big super weapon can I just answer that question I thought you said you said it was the to control the source code right so that is what that is on the Sevastopol no no I thought that because there's like the there's that big terminal on the Sevastopol but then there was that big like container thing is that meant to be like the source code so I thought what the Russians believe is that there's the state of the art sonar system but what we know is that the entity has infected it and that's the one that got uploaded from the Americans which is the source code that they need to either destroy or control the entity and that's why every government in the world wants this which is why I was thinking shouldn't the entity maybe want to destroy the keys because then nobody can get to it okay yeah all right I got it well um we'll talk more about it as we go as well so uh then we get and this by the way seems to be of the people who like this film this is one of the bigger complaints um that I've seen I don't know how you guys are gonna feel about it but Ilsa Ilsa has a fake out death here um I don't really care myself uh I got bigger issues with this film but what do you guys think I don't mind I guess um like what what exactly is the complaint that it's that it's like it's annoying to be like Ilsa died in this mission there's like no she's fine I guess it's for any reason like any fake out death can be annoying like we were annoyed by the fake out deaths in Guardians 3 right um yeah but I feel like those are different um I can't the ones in a lot of the issues that we had with the Guardians 3 stuff was like the bizarre tone and um like I think they tried to commit more to it this was I don't know I feel like this one didn't quite commit to the fake out I mean a partial defense could be the you know he's selling that story to everyone that she did die and then we find out that you know she's but I mean I'm not I'm not unsympathetic to it I just um I don't know I just don't think it's anyone here as bad as there's a certain issue that happens in this that's similar to that but uh it goes a little bit further you could say hmm um she was obviously faking well so for me when I was watching I think this is why it didn't bother me at all was I was like no way Ilsa fucking Faust dies in the opening prologue that's not gonna happen so like she's obviously getting back up or it's a fake or whatever it's fine um yeah I just wanted to acknowledge that I've seen people complaining about it the other complaint that I've seen from many people who very much think this film is great is that it's uh badly paced what do you guys think about that the scene or the film is a hole the film is a hole we're about to get to the scene that I think is probably the worst paced one um yeah I'd say yes in so far as it has to rely far too heavily on these long expo dumps which is usually a sign of a badly paced film if it if it can't properly place its own information and so it has to give us like the preamble to this scene when you have all of the generic government people speaking like South Park villains about what the AI is and then it's just and they all sound like they're the same character and that they're all reading the same dialogue script and tree and that's just to try and fast forward you to the point where you have all the information you need to understand what the rest of the plot is I think that's a pacing issue as well as as an information I was about to say what a hell of a fast forward takes fucking ages yeah all the way that we receive the information could have been so it goes what do I say what I was saying about like missed opportunities the way yet you tell this story um could have been full of really cool reveals um it was the entity all along and you will get to that stuff later but that can you hear that in the background someone is outside doing as fine whatever um there is a but yeah this we just get dumps that's just kind of like okay you're caught up let's go instead of you know like the the government may be only telling Ethan certain things about the entity and not everything like they don't they don't want to there's a lot of scenes that I think take way too long and there's a decent chunk of information that is given to us twice sometimes it'll be shown and then explained and it's like no why'd you do that um but the you know the film is what two hours 40 is it two hours 50 something it's uh it is a big film and um some of it is something that we talked about on open bar just like uh so much shaving that could be done especially there's a there's a particular thread that just shouldn't be in this at all get to it so it opens with saying the entity can be a computer virus it could be a botnet it could be a tapeworm once it's infected the thing any information on any source that's recorded stored or transmitted digitally that's in relation to it cannot be trusted as fact it was primarily focused on social media which was of a lot of use to us but now it's gone much further uh that was just on that line so they said so it wasn't that it they found it useful is that they didn't mind it spreading because it often served their purposes which implies it was completely incidental they saw it happen and they said you know what we kind of like it so we're not going to be worried about it I don't understand no I think that's a cringe metal line about how social media is mining information officers people and they wanted to throw that in there and be like see look at those evil intelligence agencies being like at first it was just abusing social media which you know we could make some use of that actually ourselves but then it started going after our stuff and it's like that's so stupid it's like mustache twirly levels uh yeah and so they say all this shit about everything that it's taken control of which by the way all of this is being delivered to the director of I think like all american intelligence age the director of national intelligence for some reason this is the first he's hearing of all of this yeah like this is the first time that he's hearing about it when apparently there's a significant amount of stuff that's already occurred yeah they say three weeks ago it uh did the Saudi Arabia thing I think is what they say it's like how the fuck has it been three weeks and you haven't told him anything about this you lost control of your entire national defense systems and your national intelligence director knows nothing about it until you tell him three weeks after the fact he is utterly clueless he doesn't know anything this is the first time he's hearing about any of this seemingly um and what's even more hilarious is all of them in the room know about it and all of them in the room know what the IMF is but he doesn't he doesn't know how does he not know about the IMF when the IMF was dissolved in the fifth movie like it was defunct it was it was put through like a in-house court and several agents from the CIA were made aware of it and we're talking like talking about whether or not it was uh viable as a service and then it got reinstated the director of intelligence doesn't know about it but all these fucking crodies do why it's such a weird choice to have the exposition delivered to somebody for the sake of the audience when that somebody is the one that should know all of it it's the opposite i shouldn't work that way don't understand now um it's a weird decision but because the SS will shortly come on to so this meeting gets infiltrated by tom cruise and so this this is nominally where he's also learning about all of this yeah but why would you not have rearranged it so he's learning about it as the audience is receptive yeah you have him do the same thing he does but then kittridge explains it all to him in that scene why are they explaining it all the fucking director that doesn't make any sense it would actually by the way justify because there's other problems with this scene as a result of that if they if it was the crews had to reach kittridge and this was the only way that would be something but um there's some more questions but before we get there um and among the their explanation right they've said that it can get in and out without leaving a trace it can even like self detonate so there's just no way to know it was ever there or something um and the anything it touches in any way digitally cannot be trusted as fact so that's a pretty interesting set of statements right like as soon as it's involved ready to come into that yeah as soon as it's involved in touching anything in any way it can no longer be trusted and we don't even know what it can touch so it's over it's over yeah everything is compromised now of the things they listed they say it came and went and left fingerprints letting us know and then the guy says i shall return which i weird line but fine that's a huge leap but like also it could have also gone to places and not shown you yeah they say that's the ability to leave fingerprints deliberately then it probably knows how to not leave fingerprints deliberately it's not that it probably doesn't know they explicitly stated it can do it okay there's also a balance of probabilities it's infiltrated every single system except for national intelligence well before you go on i'll just give you the context of the quotes right so they go on to say the full force of the entity's energy is now focused on the world's intelligence networks the very truth as we know it the entire intelligence community is racing to archive hard copies of our fact positive knowledge bases before our most secure data centers are breached and corrupted it will know how to undermine our every strength it'll know how to exploit our every weakness it'll turn allies into enemies and enemies into aggressors oh go ahead that's just context for quotes at all fact positive knowledge centers but no balance of probabilities is infiltrated everything else except you and it's left fingerprints i would have assumed that it's too late to be backing up it's it's already got you and you just don't know it yet that's balance of probability you would have to you'd have to explain some reason why certain systems aren't affected yet they use a special algorithm they use it they use a backup they're not connected you have to give me yeah you have to give me some reason why certain things can be trusted but the rest of it can't be or else i just think that you can't know when it's done it if you can't know you don't know try and simplify it's just the best lock picker on earth has to break open 10 and he put his little calling card next to five of them we don't know how many is unlocked it's like it's already yeah you'd have to say the only one he like if we're gonna use like the lock picker example there who's really really good at using lock picks is like well the only ones he couldn't get into are the digital locks where lock picks don't do anything for that right but everything that was an manual lock he got into so that's how we know some things are safe or we have justified yes you're right if they said those things are almost secure data is on analog systems it couldn't possibly have breached those like okay that's something but no they simply say i don't think it's it hasn't gotten in there yet but everything else has a you know a fingerprint this stuff doesn't yeah they're in the process of making the analog backup but they haven't made it yet so it's probably i'd say probably too there it's also a big fat non sequitur where it's going for like global intelligent systems the very truth itself so i don't know what version of history these people have read but i don't usually conflate the cia with truth telling or being in possession of like objective truth surely already has control it has social media it has media generally it has controlled of the entire internet it has all of the means of corrupting the truth as relevant um as it needs surely i don't really understand what the objective of hacking global intelligent systems is when it has everything else already i find it confusing that like what is the endpoint goal of doing this of getting everything from your digital stores of all intelligence networks into paper form like what what what now what what happens going for like surely you have to uproot and change every single system forever and are you planning on operating the cia like analog forever or is it only until you kill the entity which shouldn't even be possible and how do you know you've done it and how do you know it hasn't created other ones and like what exactly and even then you're not just concerned it's going to happen again if it's happened once why wouldn't it happen again and like just for instance you know they have some problem they need to solve and they need their info it's like what do they do now it's like you have to go to the enormous warehouse filled with trillions of papers the and try and narrow it down like in the form of an alphabetizing it i guess it just seems like it would be really impossible to do any wide-scale mass like logistical operations think of the amount of data that's all it's just gonna be intense um you would think that this is the thing that you're trying to prevent with the movie not where you start out with in the movie what's wild too is the they're explaining all of this even the concept of you know creating analog copies of everything while it's happening below the director of national intelligence it's like you guys have been well into it and he didn't even know what was happening he was waiting for you guys to come and brief him i guess how weird is this sound it's like yes all in favor of just getting explained to the audience because he then says why not air gap the intelligence services just cut them off from the outside world it kind of annoys me how simple that suggestion is there's like basically turn off your router right like why not they're like yeah we have i was like he's the fucking why haven't you talked to him before now it's so weird and uh they then say servers require humans and humans are the weakest link in any security chain especially when not today they're not especially when dealing with a godless stateless amoral enemy that one was that one felt a bit out of play that that felt like a line that should have been that was that's from the 70s you know yeah it felt weird yeah that felt a little bit entirely out of place having just spent all of its time digging up the threat of this all-knowing all seeing ai controlling the internet and then the hard pivot to the greatest threat is the individual man without really connecting those two things at all um is uh that's just such a weird leap i don't know what they were thinking of don't explain how dangerous this ai is and say that well the real the real weak link is humans i don't know not not today but also that completely undermines the whole plan they were talking about earlier we've got people currently making hard copies of all of our fact positive knowledge centers um but if the real threat is individuals and how can you trust those people that's the crazy thing man could be stealing it the implication and we see this in the rest of the film is that you're the entity right so you've got control of everything digital you just go to some mercenaries computer and say like i'm going to wire this much money to you if you do this job for me and he's like what job and it's like well pop a usb into computer i'm going to load up something on it and then i need you to get this usb to whatever server blah blah blah and then i can upload myself to you know like that that's what they're talking about jobs being conducted in that way humans being manipulated or you know done for money i mean it might have the entity might have like devout followers that want to do its bidding you know but for some like existential reasons i don't know but uh that's what i think they're referring to do it do it do it with the three weeks it's spawned in our religion it's like it's just started like i don't know if people are going to be worshiping it just yet it's like no they're sure they're all copy to okay cyber satan already has his messiah he's already there just yeah just have it to be where yeah this is years in the making the ai and its current inception is the result of the techno cult so um yeah and then they finish out with saying this enemy has been patiently listening reading watching harvesting our deepest secrets for years able to be guile blackmail bribe just about anyone at once and to manipulate us all at will through our total dependence on a carefully constructed digital reality i wonder how many times he refers he rehearsed that line yeah it feels like something that got redrafted several times they were like this is gonna hit so hard it's like oh man but then someone says uh an enemy that is everywhere and nowhere and has no center but i thought you just established it does have a center and that's what you need to get to you the vastapole source code okay wait uh dude i'm getting confused oh go ahead i'm i'm just getting confused because remember how like there's the scene wow well that's we're jumping way ahead so all of the people in this room understand that the source code is on the the the submarine right uh itridge does and the director of national intelligence does but apparently the people in the room don't because they all have to have the keys explained to him yeah i don't know it's really weird like i said i don't know how much is kept because they remember when we find out the director of national intelligence is making a deal with the entity it's treated as a huge reveal and i was just said they're like oh uh i don't know what to do with that information uh okay so yes uh they they conclude they don't want to destroy the entity they want to control it and someone says how do we control it like the whole world is focusing on acquiring a key that can allow the user control of the entity gives you global dominance now um for those who are paying attention uh i guess springy rags platoon if any of you can answer this question how do we know the key will give you access and control to the entity this is why i'm getting lost i how could how would they know that well they give a reason in this scene but do you remember what it is i no i don't i is it that everyone already says like the british and the indians and the japanese all think that that's what it is so it must be it so that is true that's almost there there's one piece of information that then leads to that and that's good enough for them the implication i'm trying to go for is who knew it first i do not um it's the russians he literally just says the russians believe this key does that and now everyone does yeah i say that is uh terrible the entire plot line all of the government's scrambling to get these two halves of a key is based on the fact that russia said that it'll give you access to the entity that's the only thing they know but if the russian argument that it has to be based on the notion that because it was their submarine they understand that the source code is locked in the uh and that submarine are they surely they don't know what it was is uh it's so confusing this is the most untangled tangled up film i've ever had to untangle like you have the submarine sinks right the submarine sinks the keys are on the bodies of the sailors the sailors make no transmission to the russians to explain what's gone on they don't understand what's gone on they speak vaguely of a ghost in the machine the keys make it to the surface somehow going through the ice sheets they're picked up by someone presumably not the russians because it ends up in the hands of bounty hunters and the like so the russians have never had access to the keys and the submarine is still at the bottom of the ocean presumably left untouched because that's where we're vaguely aiming for in part two so i don't know how the russians could know that at all so that's that's the that's the great question you end up asking yourself is wait how does anyone know what happened on the savastopol how could anybody truly know yeah um i guess the ai must have told them like why why would i do that yeah i don't know one single vulnerability is on there and it knows it and so obviously the russians would not know but yet the russians know they need to get those keys in order to get access to the entity because they must know that it's locked its source code on the savastopol why would they think that but why would they think that especially when based on the information that is presently available it shouldn't even be on there it should be gone it should be it should have deleted itself or something and then of course just to further down the line why the fuck would any government think that that's valuable is like information oh they're after these keys and they they're they're pretty sure and why do you even know that why do the russians why would they have told anybody what those keys are worth and why they want them so i don't know if this would fix it but i have a sneaky feeling it would so the american the keys go into the sonar thing that's what activates the super secret sonar the americans know that that's where they put their ai yes so if anything the russians should want the keys because they want their valuable piece of equipment but they don't know it has anything to do with some world shattering ai whereas the americans could maybe piece together that knowledge by saying well they want the key to the sonar thing we put the ai in the sonar thing so the key that the russians want for the sonar thing will also get us to the ai but that's not what the film says that yeah i think ketridge says that they believe it'll help them control the entity yeah so they already know what that is yeah it doesn't work which ended of itself today even i mean why would they even think that's possible anymore i this is where i mean it's it's i think oh you got the source code so now this thing that humanity's never dealt with before in terms of like a new form of consciousness you got that source code then you're good like as if like i don't understand why that why that would be an assumption that they would make i guess you got nothing else that you can do that you can try but like yeah if anything this is almost making me think that this kind of enemy would instead of what the film tells me is happening there would be an unprecedented level of global cooperation never before seen to stop this existential threat to yeah this is the actual apocalypse like it'll humans are done but not careful remember that because the film tries to set up the point that essentially the country that gets control of the entity like wins that's it yeah i fucking hate that they win suit i don't like this idea sorry we talked a bit about it on your metals forge yesterday but this i because i sort of talk about it later but this idea of oh yeah like every country is out for themselves now and it's a scramble to get this and the country that gets it is going to be like dominate all the other countries because you know all countries hate each other now you know there's no allies there's no like defensive packs there's no just like cultural connections between nations everyone's out for themselves now fuck alliances that are decades and generations long and deeply entrenched in our society good what if the americans get it they'll betray the british or the british get it they'll betray the germans of the germans even worse than that there's a quote where he says about his own agency that there's a lot of old think that needs to be wiped out like the director of national intelligence of america says he hopes to kill a lot of americans with this like what like i don't i just i don't believe you like no i don't believe it he's it's villain bad but it's like why is there like like stop but this is not like this is not the kind of story that i will believe you when you say it to me quit stop it's just nuts too because uh what that actually looks like is the a country would just take leverage over the entire world by saying like i will shut all of you down into the stone age and have you destroy yourselves if you don't do everything i say which is possible i guess with control of the entity but there's no reason to think it would give you control of the entity um and what they have to go on is the russian said so uh that's by the way we what we were talking about earlier would have partial justification for americans believing the keys might lead to the control of the entity but that's still all flimsy what about every other government what have they got that we're told that all of them want the key and they're all or is it just meant to be that there's like an amount of overlaps spies and other agencies and such and all the word is spread but it's totally reliable trust me bro it's insane um and it's we're like 10 minutes into the film if that very hard to swallow uh so another line kittridge has is the only way to authenticate any one half of the key is to have the other half uh this prevents counterfeits oh no it wouldn't it's made to work with itself there's so much that would breach this first of all you can just copy the the keys in terms of like you know the main structure the color blah blah blah even the material um and then you just have your own guy fix it so they light up when you put them together that's all everyone has they don't have anything more than that uh luther mentions that the key a key they find later doesn't match the material the one they currently have they don't know that it's supposed to be x material necessarily they just know that the one they have is supposed to be the right one so if they pick up one that doesn't have that material it must be a fake the irony being of course they might have the fake they don't know nobody ever knows but they say this as if that will erase any possibility of being confused about fakes even though there are fakes in this movie um they should be way more of them though but you could also theoretically copy the key there's no reason why you couldn't do that and i have the sneaking suspicion that if you can make a prop for a movie you can probably make an actual one in universe yeah people at the height of their agency is probably have the ability to do that since they make fake faces they could probably make a fake thing and didn't the russians build the key in the first place to put the key into their super secret sonar project so surely they would know the specs of the key and be able to make that's true yeah they should be able to make another key wow which kind of blows open the whole movie again there's gonna be a few of those yeah i think i bet a lot of stuff like that will be like the of course moment will just hit you because so much is happening you can only process so much at one time as you're watching it we will highlight as we go where the use of counterfeits or copies would be useful don't you worry there listen the um so yes one-half was with ilsa presumably now with ethan hunt this is kithridge again and uh so he has to explain what the imf is to the director of intelligence which again i find really awkward it's like we know what it is he should know what it is what are we doing explaining and they're like it's a mission possible mission force it's it's they do the missions that we can't and it's just like yeah yep yep yeah as the imf always stood for that yeah yeah okay i'll just make it sure because i that that was always what it was for this was already in the fucking ethan intro scene by the way i i'm just trying to remember that he's like um possible mission force huh doesn't he do that yeah it's not the only movie that they laugh at the idea the name yeah anyway um yeah they're like who is this guy and one of them goes it's classified and he says i'm the director of intelligence what the fucking i don't know and i was sitting there listening literally just like what what what are you suggesting that he can't know when people below his rank no like not even non-imf people know what the imf is but the director of intelligence isn't allowed to know it's so fucking weird it's an odd one like i said i thought it would have been way more public knowledge but after they got dissolved as well especially within intelligence communities but yeah turns out that yeah that would come out and be a thing you think you think um i just 30 years has been going for and all of its controversies i just i don't think i buy it but whatever you say movie uh then ethan who is posing as a random guard man knocks everyone out in the room with a big green gas and uh and it's worth noting that this room is like with glass windows that are seemingly visible from the ground floor yeah that has like hundreds of people in it and nobody noticed that's like the introduction to this room doesn't it like zoom in from the it's a huge green cloud fills the whole room yeah and nobody the director is awfully gassy today oh my god i'm down here at the typewriter that it was a big a big fought a big old fought talk on tuesday am i right um yeah nobody noticed it's just like wow if somebody comes up like holy shit somebody's gonna notice uh so these to summarize this interaction he wants to talk to ketrich personally and he gets uh him to admit he says i put the bounty on your head but i didn't ask ilsa to steal the key she did that on her own um and then ethan says i'm gonna find the completed key and then i'm gonna kill the entity and uh ketrich says the next will war will be a ballistic war for the last of our dwindling energy drinkable water breathable air the concept of right and wrong can be clearly defined for centuries to come with the entity and then ethan's like do you hear yourself he says the days of fighting for the greater good are over and then ethan says i'll fight for what i've always fought for and then ketrich says this mission will cost you dearly and i couldn't help but think man what happened to the dialogue what a cartoon what's going on like are you just like evil are you the entity are you an android like what's going on here why are you so like why are you a cartoon villain but that's one too that's all that's really achieved that that's the information exchange and so then i was wondering why did ethan do this yeah of all the places to have a one-on-one chat just wait till he goes home or gets in his car but why would you break into the office which is supposed to be highly secure even though it isn't because though they know about the face masks they don't have any sign like technology to spot them or anything because that's bollocks but um why would you go to all the trouble of getting in here except for the fact that the audience needs to overhear the exposition that precedes it so the thing that i find interesting is that he learns everything about the key and the entity from having sat in this room and listened to all them talk okay fair i'm gonna give it to the movie that there's a something that he'd like to know that was clearly kept from him by ketridge and this was a pretty good way to find it out but why not leave now and then you'd be fine theoretically he would be fine the problem is that he's knocked out the guy he's pretending to be and uh someone phones and says you know mr ketridge uh this man was found in his home 10 minutes ago drugged he seems to have entered the facility 15 minutes ago though i was just thinking to myself like okay what what so ethan knew this guy was going to go to work he knocks him out in his house makes a mask of him and goes in and what they just randomly searched his house or did he live with someone and ethan didn't think about that like this doesn't go good either way i don't know i don't know i can't really know what i found in like a minute you know like two minutes earlier that's just it for ethan like exactly so that was pretty unsatisfying but then of course tracks way better than this the reasonable plan should be ethan uh eavesdrops the whole thing gets all the information he can and then leaves he doesn't need to talk to ketridge what does he learn from yes he's playing splinter cell ghost gets you the most points exactly it was actually kind of annoying because the only thing he achieves by talking to ketridge is finding out that he was the one that put the bounty on ilsa but he seemed to already know that like that was the ketridge is admitting to it he's like yeah okay fine i did it and it's like what does it help you to know that anyway it doesn't change anything i really like the conversation for the trailer though to be fair yeah um ethan's much smarter than that and then you're thinking so now he's he's giving himself away and now they're gonna be hunting him down because he's fucking dishonored again or what was the word again it's about this one this is the earliest it's about um and and you're like okay so how's he getting out of here and then the film thinks it's clever because he puts on a new mask and it's a ketridge mask and he and then ketridge is like oh you're gonna pretend to be me and then he gets knocked out and then it's like mission impossible dan dan dan it's like well no they they're the whole reason they know that someone in the room isn't supposed to be who they say they are is because they found him in his house yeah the phone call where they fall when they see ketridge trying to leave they'll be like oh sir you're okay you were just on the phone explaining to us that you were not okay to be like yeah no i'm fine now everything's fine be like uh-huh yeah let us just check your neck a second if you don't mind and it's over it's such a fucking dumb way to be like i can get out because i could look like you it's like this three decades you don't think the fact that you got in with a fake mask has blown me away you think you're getting out of it whether you've just established that's what you're doing no you're gonna be grabbing them next yeah no way he gets out with just a face mask that was kind of lame could have been yeah it's a shame because it's a cute little like oh you're getting away uh he's like put off none of it works none of it none of it works dan dan wish it made sense though so um not doing fantastic but we're gonna just hit the intro so plenty of time to improve um we get a scene for the i'm gonna go this could be they claim not to be imf but they work for Keetridge so yeah i don't know agents i don't know just some some agent guys intelligence agents we could just call them agents i guess but agents are chasing Ethan and uh they just talk about how he's fucking hard to kill they're gonna be getting him now information they have is that this is something i forgot i can forgot in forgot to mention but it annoys me okay so uh Ethan eavesdropped them saying there is a buyer who is looking to get one of the keys he's moving through the Middle East and then Ethan later says there's a buyer coming in in Amsterdam for a layover in which he wants to buy half the key so he must have the legit other half in order to validate this one now where did anyone get that information from i don't even understand really it's like there's so there's a man who's looking to buy half a key and he's just traveling Ethan wants to intercept him in order to try and sell his key to this man and then that man will lead Ethan to whoever wanted that key complete which is someone who likely knows how to use the key to destroy the entity that's his logic where did this even start all right so you had okay so let me thought isn't it Ilsa Ilsa stole half the key correct um uh it doesn't necessarily matter and i'm kind of okay with that she's got half the other half is currently with the white widow i don't mind and still i would assume that i would assume that the russians have that in a very very very secure location somewhere all right i assume we don't even know that we don't even know that they got it some that's a mystery for the next film to solve is someone got those keys off those bodies okay all right one half goes to Ilsa one half goes to white widow all right so so they're gonna have to bridge who got the keys later and how those keys became available on the open market for purchase um well so this is like where i'm confused everyone knows about let's just call him mr x for now who's gonna be buying a key they call him the buyer he's buying a key who's he buying it from i i don't actually know um but ethans hoping to intercept him so that he can sell his half that he have now has from Ilsa and then they can follow him to whoever knows about the key but why does anyone know about this buyer and why does anyone think he's real like he's got how does anyone know that his half is worth anything and then why does ethan think that him having both parts of the key would lead to anything when so far all of the people who want the key and have the key don't know what the key does yeah why do i want this key why would i buy it why why would i buy this key so and it what yeah exactly even if we grant like that it's out there and it's for sale why would you buy it i love buying keys things i don't know what they unlock there is um viability to the idea that someone hires you to do it you know and they're like i'll pay you if you get me this key it doesn't really matter what the key is to those people for example grace but um he is arranging for all of these people to buy it or want it different parties perhaps but my whole issue is that ethan for some reason believes that whoever's trying to buy it will know what it's for why would you think that i guess you would assume that people who buy a key would have a reason to want the key everyone who wants the key that ethans aware of which is almost 10 people at this point none of them know what the key does does ethan know that they don't know so ethan knows that he doesn't know ethan knows that ilsa didn't know he'll know if you talk to her but for some reason she only tells him this halfway through the film she should have told him at the time all of mi6 don't know exactly what it does or how to use it the the point here is more so where does the key go and what does it do when you put it into the lock or whatever because a lot of people speculate that it can help you control or destroy but you know that's that's only an assumption that's what ethan's trying to find out is where does it go and how does it work remember at the end of the film he finds out where to go that's the setup for part two so what i'm getting at is that the only person that really has the information he wants is actually the director of intelligence who gives it to garyl and uh paris i think her name is and then paris gives it to ethan we'll get into all of that and how that works but my point is this is a pretty awful plan but we'll we'll get more into it as time goes on for now everyone knows about this buyer including intelligence agencies and now ethan because he overheard what they were talking about which means our first set piece is being set up it's an airport guy is gonna come in and ethan's explaining to luther and benji that he needs to get to him and to do the deal so that he gets the key off ethan and then he will take the key to someone and ethan will track him and that someone will then hopefully explain what the key does now it works that's enough that's enough to follow for now he's walking around in the airport without a mask wait wait wait wait we haven't gone anywhere near that yet so i thought he was in the airport already every no i've just i've just told us the like that's the start of the location we haven't even talked about like their plan yet so benji says every government in the world will kill us just to get their hands on this key do we see any other government in this film that's after the key other than american i know yeah that's what i thought we just have the agent guys and then you have which aren't even after the key they're after ethan yeah and then you have the evil man who's after it and then you have ethan i thought at one point later certain people end up in the hands of the italian government and the italian government notably is not involved in the they don't even know about the key they're just there to get a criminal yeah they wouldn't say yeah grace yeah it's really weird that they make this point several times the whole world will come down on you if you have these keys and then they just don't it's like okay and the world doesn't exist yeah and how cool would it have been it's a completely different movie but what about a movie where ethan and his team are being hunted because they start with both keys they need to find someone who can explain them meanwhile the entire world's government's best assassins are all after them i mean the movie yeah the movie could start with someone giving it to ethan yeah i mean like this key is you know but they they get in the key but they aren't able to explain what it does but you know that that's how we sort of start the movie right so i'm okay you're the only one i trust ethan your own government even in my mf even everyone don't trust anybody don't trust anything that that's the i've traveled too far and seen too much to ignore the evil in the galaxy yeah um so that yeah the ebas explains that they're also um the fact that they had this conversation is an act of treason so they're against their own government too it's like you know they even make a joke about how this is so normal at this point it's like um so ethan knows that all of the intelligence agencies know that this buyer is coming with half a key now we don't know whether or not it's real yet but we do know that they believe it is so ethan knows that in this airport will be intelligence agencies including of course the american ones potentially more he knows right now that he's one of the most wanted men on earth for the american intelligence agencies therefore springy what should he do he should probably put on a mask yes um for some reason he doesn't now we all know that the reason he doesn't is the same reason that they take off their masks all the time in marvel yeah um we gotta show the actor's face off that's why he doesn't really wear masks at all in any of these anymore um which is kind of lame but i guess that's just modern filmmaking for you um so anyway that that's gonna come up in a second more so but it's already just a really weird choice that would be made but for some reason isn't being made here um their plan like i said is to sell their key their real key to the buyer who may or may not have a real key to then trace him to to whoever he's gonna give it to why not make a copy so that you can give him one that doesn't actually work the only thing that i can think of is that you would have to you would have to set the story up in a way that they would be unable to make a fake be it a time constraint or some element of the key that prohibits them from doing it um or you'd have to say that they have a way to verify the key um you'd have you'd have to come up with something and then explain it to me i'd be the best i'm doing out of some super duper ultra rare element well we got because the buyer will know it's a fake uh no the buyer has a fake key yeah that doesn't work yeah i kind of it's kind of the problem is like um the best faith i can go with is that if the buyer had a real one and they gave him a fake one it wouldn't connect but nobody in the fucking world will know whose one is real and who's is fake if you have one actually use the thing like if i had two fakes that verify each other and fringy had a real one and rags had a real one i would be like well mine are real um let me test it with rags oh yours is fake rags it doesn't react but my two do let me test with yours fringy oh yours is fake too it's like well no those two have the real one but how is anyone gonna know just you just all they're basing it on is putting two together and they light up and they have a radioactive signature or something but you can do you can fake all of this we already said you can repeat a little bit which then just means that the only way that you could ever know is to go to the sabastopol and use it that's the only way to actually know which one's real so um there's somewhere in the sabastopol there's a huge queue of people over there who's and they should walk in one after another yes i've got it oh damn it's the wrong one right up do you believe you have the real keys let's test them out oh hard luck because the the fact is next time if they are worried about the scenario where they give their key to this buyer they fake one and he goes wait a second this isn't the real one then of course you could give him the real one so that he verifies it and then you just take the two real ones off him you subvert it steal it whatever because the last thing you want to do is let anyone have the two actual keys this is going to move into a different criticism but uh we're about to get to a point where they actually realize it's he has the fake one so they could easily give him a fake one wouldn't that be a great call back to ghost protocol yeah good and where it's like you know i would like remember the last time we tried to you know give someone the real thing and it didn't work out yes you know now you might think well but doesn't that destroy the whole intention of tracing him back to the person who would know and it's like um good interrogate to give him truth serum which is a thing that exists in this universe in the fifth film is really effective by the way the people will admit their deepest secrets to you in just instantly so you could just do that and then find out who he works for to then move to the next thing or you could actually steal it from him and then just trace him back to his fucking boss anyway gonna probably go back to him that's that or again switch out the real two for the fake to um apparently tom cruise is very adept at pickpocketing and put pocketing in this film he knows how to do it got a good slide of hand so all of these options are on the table but they're never entertained before the plan starts they're simply going to give him the real key and then follow it uh not as effective i am o compared to you either take the plutonium away or you uh save your friends and the bad guys get the plutonium like that that to me seems a lot more straightforward and a good reason for why the bad guys end up with the plutonium being the story and fallout versus this where you're giving away the fake key for no real reason at all and there's so many different ways you could back it up subvert it you have one of the real ones so whatever the system is for verification you can copy they have the technology got all of the technology anyway uh that's you know moving on they they just discussed that that's the plan and they started up uh we see the agents are searching for ethan and their plan is to have someone hack into the cameras and look for ethan's face oh god these are people who are aware of imf and what it does for the past 30 years and yet they think that they will find him with just his face also they're aware aren't they of the entity and what that does to the viability of data and online information so any technological system should be massively distrusted and they rely on it consistently it takes a little while before them to realize that though to be fair it's not like they were explicitly told what it is and what it does well it's also not like they could just infer these kinds of things from like like come on but no if that's their plan but so you've got agents who are being sent out by people who do know all of this and it's quite important that they know all of this because it completely undermines whatever strategies they might usually deploy are they not going to pass down any information to the agents they've sent after ethan that actually yeah maybe don't rely too much on technology because it's not to be trusted because not only is your enemy good at manipulating this but there's another thing which makes it completely untrustworthy uh the unfortunate fact is that they are comic relief that is their role in the film very limited and they're just for funnies which is kind of sad because a lot of them get killed and they're just people trying to do their job yeah it is sad to see that not really get any you know because because they're not the bad guys so it's you know it's really sad to yeah i mean one of those are agents right i thought we cared about like agents and things and when they die it's you know sad and it's a big deal and because all they know is the ethans betrayed the country reason this piece of shit who's gonna subvert intelligence agencies blah blah blah and so they've been sent to bring him in and their leader says that that's all he does he always does that's the one conversation you get in this whole movie between those two is one of them says what if ethans doing all of this for a reason i thought it was so fucking embarrassing that that's all we get that's it that's where this conversation starts and then it ends like about 10 seconds later it's better to say it's a conversation is a little bit showered a bowl they have a whole movie those two and that's all we got what if he has a good reason so yeah they are using the most inept way to search for ethan considering not only the history of this entire franchise and everything they know about ethan but also with the entity and play as well yeah so stupid and then you find out luther is making it so that they can't detect real ethan on the cameras because he is using his normal face and he's instead putting his face onto other people so that they think other people are ethan and then they run up to them they're like hey you you're ethan the guy's like what no i'm not he's like wait a minute and the the tech is being subverted and yeah all i was thinking was i was just like man luther you already know about the entity now ethan knows that it's in all digital technology and that it doesn't want you to do certain things if you can yeah and you can yeah you can do that so imagine what the entity can do especially this is like 2020 i assume this film was set in 2022 or three right uh fucking modern so just uh and that's not considered not considered at all we have to wait until like the hour and 10 minute mark before uh team ethan realized that the entity can do things pretty annoying um so yeah they uh they send him and the agents luther sends them to the other side of the airport is what he says um i haven't checked the size of the airport but i'm sure it's pretty big this will come up again a little bit later but the funny thing i thought was that the first person they send the team to is like right next to ethan he's like uh just above them in some kind of walkway and it's like damn dude luther playing a bit close to the other side you know and then he sends them to the other side remember you don't have a mask one random glance oh especially if they're looking for you and oh there he is why not um have someone who's heading outside into like a taxi look like ethan so then they have to chase the taxi you know what i mean yeah then they're yeah there has to be the get the cars the sirens there's a big deal that causes a bunch of commotion out there slows things down oh yeah there are way better ways to do the job they want to do but they don't even do the best job with what they're doing a little bit disappointing and so introduce grace kicks the pocket of the man who has the key that ethan wants and he's got a detector in his glasses so he can see that she does it and then uh he grabs her to get that back out but before we get on with that uh benji asks luther to mute their communications like why why why are you doing that and he says because there's a bag that he's detected that's been put on the conveyor belt to go to on a on a plane that could very well have a bomb in it um why mute why not tell you about that tell ethan yeah why i don't get why that i the idea that they well he's there he's within the bomb so the eventual reason we get is that he had a lot going on that's what benji says he had a lot off now i just i'd love to be able to speak to benji because i'd be like okay so you understand that everything that ethan's doing is irrelevant if a bomb goes off in the whole airport right like whatever pockets are being picked or keys are being moved around if everyone dies and this well what they're doing that that this is an unprecedented amount of stress for ethan he just wouldn't be able to handle this kind of stress knowing that there's a bomb oh that that's just that's never happened in every single mission impossible it's not like if in the in the prime movie he had to deal with the exact same situation while piloting a helicopter to chase after a guy a highly trained agent with a detonator that had to be like synchronized with them deactivating the bombs in a giant like village alongside his wife in it and then a little bit later luthis i think says what if the no i think it's either it's either luth or benji one of them says what if the entity wants us to think it's a bomb and i was thinking of myself like so you do know yeah and then i thought like of course they do they had the whole explanation from ethan earlier but for some reason now they're only considering this one element of the entity what if it's tricking us into thinking that's a bomb it's like what if it's infected your laptops entirely and it's making you do everything at once well why haven't we talked about this yet they talk about it way later it's so fucking weird but um yeah why isn't ethan involved in that conversation he's the one that actually knows about all this stuff they don't he was there for the explanation they should probably be like ethan we've got a bomb notification on our laptops do you believe that's the entity trying to throw us off the key or do you believe it's real and of course ethan would be like we're gonna have to check it out and he likely would have said we're gonna have to abort the key stuff with the seller just keep his fake one or whatever and go to the bomb the bomb is the priority but they don't tell him so he doesn't get to make any decisions related to that and he's just mad at them for doing it later because it would be a bit suspicious just on its face wouldn't it because i i've never worked in an airport but i'm pretty sure there's something around there that can detect if a bag happens to have a nuclear bomb in it in this post 9 11 world well you can argue the entity would have manipulated all the technology to let it pass i so i had to look away for a moment did we uh did you mention like if you're not going to tell ethan do you think that the idea needs to occur to you to like alert the authorities in the airport for the sake of all the lives if you even think there's a chance it's a bomb i think that's that's ethical reason enough to call an emergency evacuation yeah like we have to completely shift the focus of this mission entirely onto this bomb um and if that's not a feasible thing that we could do there needs to be like someone needs to say we need to call the bomb squad we need to evacuate the airport immediately because it's an airport full of people and this is a nuclear device or something but even even that is already got the counters coming up we've gotta gotta get this all they know is it might be a bomb that's what they know right now they don't know the time limit they don't know the range on it now to compare to a different film one called mission impossible fallout they're in a car heading toward the two bombs they know the exact yield of the bombs because they're familiar with the plutonium and the nature of the bomb's construction because they actually captured niels del brook is the one that made them and he's captured in the beginning they have all of his plans they know the range on these bombs and as they're driving in i think benji says shouldn't we call an evacuation and then this is no way they get out of range in time so we've just got to try and diffuse them that's not applicable here they don't know the range on this bomb they don't know the time on this bomb you call the evacuation it's an airport you you do it immediately that's what you should do but they don't and they don't acknowledge that that's something they should do either so it's um yeah definitely i weren't go yeah so much for fallouts themes ethan uh pick pockets grace and then does slight of hand magic in front of her for a while which fucking blew my mind i was like what the hell are you doing get on with the fucking mission um and then he basically explains to her that he wants her to take the the key back and put pocket it into the guy so that he can continue his mission and that if she does it correctly he will allow her to keep the he was like 50 000 in crypto or something on a flash drive it was like five million isn't it it's something big i i couldn't remember it's a big it's a large amount of money and so he eventually agrees and i was just thinking to myself like man we haven't entertained any of the other options here being the if only he did have a fake that he could put into that guy's pocket ready so that she could you know drop in the fake one but then again he's holding a fake one so i guess that doesn't really matter so this point you know just just what like but they don't know that yet they don't actually verify it's a fake key yet so you might be holding the real two and i was just thinking like how does it not occur to you that you're holding like the most important thing in the universe right now like those two keys and that if any of the wrong people like ethans the best person on earth ethans the best person on earth to have those keys right now if ever they fell into any other hands it could mean the end of the world for everyone other than that person slash power so it's just it's just weird the gravity of the situation is not appreciated at all by ethan and he's playing with them in front of her and then he's suggesting that we throw one back into the guy's pocket i just i found that hard to watch and feel like they were being respected those keys um in terms of all the other options you have but oh well uh she says yeah okay i agree and ethans running this all on the idea that i guess not going to try and subvert him that she'll just do everything that he wants her to do and then everything's going to go fine um things do not work out kind of what i'm uh i'm edging toward there kind of hint you know give the all into rue um you're also going to hope the buyer doesn't notice that he's lost his key now the whole time that they haven't put it back yet oh that might be an issue throughout the movie you gotta wonder right like if that guy would just be like occasionally checking his pockets all the time just like oh yep you know you know like the kind of way that you do when it's like oh it's my phone yeah my phone's there okay cool oh yeah like if you know that you have something of this insane value on it you would be very paranoid about constantly checking to make sure that it's there just out of just i wouldn't have to make sure it's there if people stored them in like little lockboxes that were actually like shamed to them why wouldn't you what would i have done if that was the case to just be yeah suitcase with the handcuffs like they do and yeah you'd be fucked the whole mission would be fucked in so many ways without the case you'd have to yeah you'd have to come up with how how do we pick the lock on the thing without him not noticing or how do we you know like that would be like a well you know you never know right that would be like a thing to do in the movie right right of the may yeah yeah exactly you have to sit down and think that's the that's the chink that happens in their plan right that's where they go or the kink a chink is an armor a kink is in a plan right the kink in the plan is that they're trying to do the pick pocket and then they notice he's got the briefcase and then he's got the handcuffs tied to it and he's like oh uh oh and everyone's like oh what do we do what do we do what do we do they try to come up with a distraction or they try to come up with you know something that's the little like oh we gotta improvise that will be more interesting um but yeah he says uh who you're working for anyway and then gray says oh i don't work with anybody he says okay well now you've got a partner i'm i thought it was really weird that he does believe her on that just he just believes that she is working alone that she wants the the key just to presumably sell it or whatever and she just happens to know what it's worth and think to for him to ask her how she knows what the key is or what it's worth at all well let's move on moller i i think i think you're forgetting one very actually two very important things uh she is charming and hot so anyway uh he says i know you're gonna put this key back in his pocket because you want the money and he holds up the flash drive i was just thinking to myself like that key is worth so much more than the flash drive if it were real but and she doesn't know it's it's fine it's it's totally fine um so then we hear luther in the background say i sure hope you know what you're doing about ethan i'm saying to myself like luther when you when you elaborate it sounds like you're not fully on board maybe there are way better ways to do this plan maybe the way better things you could tell ethan let him know apparently he doesn't know um anyway yeah uh luther then scans the key and he says it's counterfeit so only this is real the one that the buyer had was fake um i don't know why they wouldn't have checked that immediately that seems like the first thing you need to do straight away super important changes everything whether or not that key is real and then uh tom cruise says that changes nothing i thought that was an interesting comment because like if you had both keys i feel like that changes everything but apparently not um so yeah uh there's something to think about if the buyer himself had the fake key one he couldn't verify any keys because he's got a fake one at least by their own logic and two if he has a fake key believing he has a real one what do you expect he knows about the keys or what they do shortly you'd expect his information to actually be the most lacking out of everybody's if he can't even tell if he's got a real one and also this is like the confirmation that fakes of these keys exist they can be made and knowledge of the keys is prevalent enough to allow for fakes being made yes which is going to put huge um kinks in your plan this is like a big variable not damn key for hours this whole film is about two keys the whole thing it's that's about yeah this is like yeah it's it's kind of important this is like us talking about infinity stones or something it's kind of a we're talking about the movie that's what's happening there's keys in it the keys are sent the keys are the the simi mcguffin sort of things of them of the move they're very very important they're the central yeah it's like more said they're the central plot element of the film so yes we're going to be talking about the keys we're talking about the movie and trying to figure out you know where it sits you're just doing the evap thing the agents are then frustrated because they keep bumping into fake ethans and so then they're like he's jerking our chains let's spread out i was just thinking of myself like why did you do that do they actually say jerking our chains yeah why wouldn't they have spread out why would they all like let's all of us go together to get this one guy especially after it's dangerous what lady should have told them was wow he was ethan on my screen and then it glitched and then he wasn't i think my tech is compromised like that should have been set straight away it's kind of crazy that they didn't instantly go hmm you know what i think we're being screwed with here let's uh i mean we are highly trained like secrets of like super duper agent people do you think that we have no reality with these countermeasures the agents information is we want the keys like the intelligence agencies ethan wants the key too because he's going to destroy it we have to stop ethan that's what they've been sending to do why haven't they sent in a team to get the buyer the intelligence agency is the reason that ethan knows the buyer is even a thing and the buyer has half a key because if you're with the buyer i mean it's if if ethan wants to go find the buyer then just go with the buyer and then you find ethan he'll come to well there's that but there's also the fact that he has a they want the key they know the buyer's coming in it's a trap or i guess it isn't a trap actually they should have a team on him anyway and then yeah they would likely be let well you know what they would be led to they'd be led to fucking mantis they would be led to mantis that's right who would they even get that far though if they already know the buyer has the key they don't have to wait for him to get to this one no you're right they could just take it from him and that would fuck everything up for everyone else and that would ruin that would just change the whole movie the whole movie would end straight away yeah because everyone would assume that one is real because yeah he's just like yeah that everyone like i said this that's why i brought up the whole how does anyone know it's real it's like it just is okay so anyone who claims they have one is just good pretty much it's like yeah but the good key will verify the good key it's like if you have two fucking fake keys to verify each other then everyone will be convinced those are the real keys that sounds really stupid go down to the savastopol it's like all right here we go and then it won't work it'll be like when faddo snaps and he didn't notice the thing so then benji was impossible the keys together anyway benji's down there with the bomb he is he's got the bag and he says there is a device in here and it annoys me that he's now confirmed there's a device like evac evac evac he's like i am now removing the device no why would you even touch it why would you like yeah i feel like it's gotta be protocol for any bomb defusal squad it's like don't fucking touch it right now fucking touch it you know the worst thing the worst thing about it is uh you can actually see and you it shows the bench you can see it there is a timer that's frozen on it as in it's five minutes and it hasn't set up yet so it should be like okay the timer is here it's not moving this is clearly meant to be on an airplane so we may have enough time to get everyone out evac now like hopefully the time it doesn't start something has to happen to it before the time has started so at the very least i'm not going to touch it in case it happens to be activated by that except that's what he does and then he says oh well i seem to have activated it yeah he puts it on the table and it activates it's like oh my god fucking whoops he's like a bomb defusal expert why would yeah he knows better he's the tech guy he is the tech guy and he's talking to luther who's also a tech expert who would tell him not to fucking fiddle with it but we need it for some drama so benji's gonna momentarily be way more incompetent than he actually is and then benji's like oh god how do i defuse this that luther's like use your tools he's like i don't have any tools i would just bear in mind again this is all happening while they muted so ethan doesn't know any of this is happening he's busy doing and he should but they just won't let that happen um it's too stressful mawler and so yes uh you realize that benji went to this bag specifically from the little command center that they had because he believed it might be a bomb but he didn't take his tools with him um i mean that's pretty smart why would you not do that like because it'll probably be okay it's like all right then yeah oh um so yeah uh he has he says we have five minutes and it appears to be nuclear which he only knows because it shows a little nuclear symbol on the digital patch which that's it you might want to entertain the idea again about the entity which is like yeah fair i mean safe to assume it's i guess you don't lose anything by assuming but we should always assume the worst i just find it interesting they never discuss the potato like they say it once earlier like what if the entity wants us to believe this is a bomb then they never say it again wait oh wait yeah no don't worry okay sorry it's all we can do i'm trying to it's yeah let's keep going then uh good ol uh uh luther says how big is the bomb and then uh benji says big enough to take out everyone in this airport i suspect but i just thought it was funny because it's like but it was meant to go on an airplane like we we actually have no clue there's no real way to guess how big this bomb is and i assume that might have been the throwaway line to say it's too late to evacuate now but it's still not because there's still people on the edges of the f***ing airport that if they were to run directly opposite it and right now they might make it but they just never entertain i'm surprised there wasn't even a throwaway line saying that it's too late they usually do that in these movies well they didn't fall out they didn't fall out and it was justified and fall out uh because they knew exactly what the bomb was and how big it was but they don't know in this one um yeah anyway the thing opens up and there's a it's a cylindrical device with a bunch of wheels and they have a bunch of letters on them and i think uh luther says that means there's 1.5 billion combinations for unlocking it that that that's like the nature of it is it could be uh diffused if you can crack it and it spells out you are done belt d un n which is how you spell benji's surname so uh camera tightens up on him and he says it's my last name and the music is playing very creepy and i was kind of into it this is an interesting this this would be like an interesting i think one of the good keys about this kind of villain is the slow reveal about what it knows what it can do and what it has been doing the entire time and this is one of those things where i'm like oh this is like interesting like it even knows who would you know but you know surrounded by everything that it's surrounded by but now this is one of those little things about wow this movie could have been really really cool the uh the creepy angle for me was a little bit damaged by the fact that you see you are done i already knew that was his last name so i thought that was kind of cool there's my last name which i think is like all right everyone's got it now and then it zooms in further and then he goes it knows who i am i mean yeah yeah it's the first time and also the second time yeah third time i don't know why the film isn't as confident this time around almost subtle in the other one which is strange yeah like if you really need it again then why is any like almost like semi-panicking saying how does it know my name or something like how did it figure that out how does it know who i am sometimes well how did it know that i would come down here how did it know and then at that point you should realize it i got lured here yeah oh even if he just said it lured me here that would have been good because it means that he figured it out all on his own you know like he quickly figured out that that's what was happening um oh by the way he announces it it's a cylinder cipher and there are eight wheels now do you know how many questions he answers oh he doesn't answer right it's like five five yeah why i don't why why do that the additionally really fucking weird thing is uh when he answers question i think it's four um it shows a wheel spinning and it's the third wheel in from the left that's wow really yeah i was getting a good look at it and i don't know what the fuck is going on with that thing um i assume it's because they probably did the full scene and then they cut it down uh and we're supposed to fill in the blanks between cuts which you can benefit from i'm relatively okay with that but probably would have liked to see the whole thing i guess but with what it is relevant and important to which you know each of the questions is significant yeah um first question is well i see quite is riddles right i speak without a mouth i fly on the air without wings does echo i think luther does or benji i can't remember but first wheel spins now uh metal highlighted this uh to me i just think it's just so obvious that sometimes you want to fucking kill yourself you're just like yeah they have google you can just type all these into google and you'll get the answers straight away in fact you'll probably get more than one that would work so is it would be funny if they try well not funny but if they tried to google it and the entity stopped it from loading oh you know it'd be really great as if they do that and it shows Dennis and adrini goes uh uh uh you didn't say the magic word uh uh uh that would probably get away with that i mean if they literally googled the answer and then the google return was no cheating that would be creepy how do you say the entity does not allow cheating they don't even try and i don't even try that's a thing that's a miss that's a good point rags that's a huge missed opportunity how cool would it have been if they looked it up and then yeah the computer said no this is this is kind of like the first sort of like hint of an idea that the entity has like a personality or curiosity or something that it wants to know these answers from done right which is like that is a legitimately really interesting thing that this entity potentially has a personality and it's almost like like a Thanos in a way it's not just a villain trying to do a thing but it's like a thinking creature uh it's an agent now um yeah i guess in the you know other sense so but but this just doesn't really go anywhere which is like really fucking lame that this kind of just gets dropped absolutely in retrospect makes this aspect of the riddles just seem out of place oh there's so much to say about this this is why is it slightly undermined from the beginning as well in the why has why doesn't it already know everything it really needs to know about him i thought that was the premise of the threat that it poses it's that it's been harvesting all of this information already i'll give you a few more quotes and then we'll go back to that right so the second thing is are you afraid of death and then benji's like what the hell and then luther says it's a psychometric test the more you answer the more it learns about you if it'll disarm the bomb i'll give it my autobiography well as a platoon i assume trying to highlight uh benji says no to the question of are you afraid of death and then the machine that says like and it's like wait so it's asking these questions to learn about you but it knows that you're lying already knows so what do you mean what is it learning and uh i think that's one of the two questions it actually asks about benji and apparently already just like basic bitch riddles well what is it what are the answers are you afraid of death yes or no tell you about a person compared to just scanning their entire social media history which it can do with benji if it wanted to yeah which is presumably already has done in fact in fact that's probably how it knows whether or not he's lying about these questions so why that line from luther is bizarre he's like psychometric test the more you answer benji the more it learns it's like that could be creepy but you don't do anything with that and the questions don't tell us at all but that's just like normal behavior the more people answer your questions when you ask that that's just developing a relationship with anybody yeah i mean it's well the what he says like the more you answer the more you know the next thing is what's always approaching but never arrives and that he gets the answer from grace what does that tell you about benji that he has friends that he relies on for answers to questions what is there being first off obviously it's tomorrow super easy basic riddle not impressive whatsoever um we can do way better than that this is what we could do right this is like elementary right we can not only have better riddles but ones that relate to the story yeah or you know we don't even there's a bit later in the film when it mimics his voice yeah that's the coolest thing they try to do and it's but is this it's a way of no it's a complete head canon but can you tie it for it to that one it's it's basically asking him to give it his well give it his voice basically and that's the the thing that it uses later on to mimic the voice it has their voices from the answers well yeah yeah doesn't need this for that no i'm just trying to make it have some kind of point to the plot but it doesn't it doesn't have any or just skip the riddles and have all the questions be like personal quiet and like like like benji has to disarm the bomb by just answering honestly it all feels like missed opportunities right because the next one is uh who or what is the most important thing to you and you and he says my friends he does it in quite a like sincere way and then it like gets closer and goes you bastard i was like why did why did you do that no i like i quite liked the fact that he felt a little like embarrassed to say it but that it's just ultimately true and he needs to do this to disarm the bomb i enjoyed that piece and then they're like more so like isn't this funny and it's like no that's the point it's not funny this is he's trying to save everyone's lives by giving honest answers about how he feels and then i was thinking oh shit imagine it said like what do you truly think about ethan hunt and and and you know luther's like come on and he's just like well you know and he says he's like he's an amazing person he does amazing things he's saved so many lives done so many things and you know dot dot dot and the machine's not ticking yet and then he's like but maybe maybe he's uh a bit out of control he takes too many risks he's out of control he you know stuff like that maybe some people would be alive where they aren't anymore if not for him and then it dings like how fucking meaningful would that be and luther knows but ethan was muted you know it would be more interesting if you had like him answer like that and then there's the pause as if the machine is thinking if that's satisfactory and then it opens up there's so much you could do with this you know this entity and how it interacts with human beings and what it wants to know and what it's you know what what it's you know quote unquote personality is that's just it's a huge missed opportunity for this concept of a villain yep uh so uh i'll well i mean funnily enough the last riddle is what gets bigger the more you take away and uh those of us who uh you know have played a certain video game it's like man who just talking about how much they wasted with this jeez oh yeah you're fucking right oh my god jeez like i didn't even think about it oh gosh so wow how uh in a little video game that we fully recommend called god of war ragnarok there are characters who as part of the flavor dialogue of moving through the world start telling each other riddles and this dialogue triggers throughout the whole game after certain events until it is a part of one of the biggest payoffs in the whole game and it's incredibly meaningful and it's something that you never would have expected because there's so much flavor dialogue that's just you know you you don't think that one's going to become so fucking important but it is specifically that quote as well and then in this film it's just thrown in there i don't know and luther just goes oh a hole over they go yep that's it like okay oh man you're giving me those you're giving me the the flashback so that that that story man oh boy ragnarok talk about oh good time good times and so seven out of eight wheels are complete and then benji starts to panic because there are no more questions what do i do there's one more wheel and legit in the cinema i was sitting there and i was like oh they'll realize that there's only one more wheel so you can just spin it you can just click it until you get the correct answer because that you might have overthought it for a moment waiting for another question but you'll obviously conclude that uh he does not nor does luther and nor does ethan when he gets told about this and this is the moment they decided to tell him with a 45 second difference he can't possibly do anything as though that's not even more stressful than being told about it when you have time to stop it yeah which he seems to express but it never comes up again i actually would have liked to see him where he says never fucking do that ever again you idiots like jesus christ i trust you we're a team we have to trust each other well we've been through all of this and you're keeping secrets like come on for all he knew randomly turning the letters could activate the bomb right away so why does he do it i don't really make that argument if he's going to do it anyway sorry so yeah uh incredibly stupid from basically everybody involves not using any of the obvious strategies and then there's more to this bomb but we'll talk about it once we know more about the person who set it up i suppose um ethans side of things he in grace realized that the buyer is dead uh good ol mantis has killed him and why that's going to be what we talk about next oh why did that happen um yeah so let me help you out part of the fiction he works for gabriel gabriel works for the entity the entity most of thought he had the key and sent gabriel to get it from him and then he sent paris slash mantis whatever to get it and so she went up to him shot him killed him and then realized he didn't have the key which means the entity was tricked by a fake i guess a fake yeah but like why how did any of that happen all of this has been over digital communication the fucking ethan team confirmed it's a fake before that even happened and the entity's listening to everything how did this happen well why did the entity get tricked by this the entity is the only conceivable entity um that could actually have a complete and unbroken chain of evidence to know which the original key was because it's the only one that knows the precise location of where the submarine went down so it would be the only thing that could tell which keys emerged from roughly the place where the submarine went down and so which keys which emerged later in saudi arabia happened to have come from that place and so on and so forward until we get to this point the entity shouldn't be able to be tricked by this but the fact it shouldn't be able to be tricked by it means that none of this should happen anyway because it should already have found a way to get the keys which makes it even funnier is the grace is the reason all this is kind of fucking up and grace was sent by the white widow who is the broker between the entity and people who have the keys as in the white widow technically works for the entity and she's accidentally subverted the entity good plan pretty funny especially with the entity knows all of this and somehow fucks this up the entity should be dominating and it's falling apart i don't know what's going on really weird um so anyway ethan just puts the key and they show us very deliberately that he puts the key into his pocket and again it's just like man i really wish that had some more security in some way just then instead of writing the pocket especially when you're walking around with a pick pocket who's excellent at a job i don't know i almost you you don't must think that oh i pick pocket it's going to pick my pocket i should not put important things um in my pocket the uh benji eventually looks around the bomb and he spots that the word good luck has been spelled out without the k and so then he spins the wheel to match the k and it's just it hurts and it's like hidden it's like hidden on the bottom too which i feel is like a little like that's was weird because uh how do you know that in time nothing would have happened there was nothing in the bomb so that was a cool five seconds of tension though i guess so yeah uh we know what was funny sorry something i missed to say is when they have that 50ish seconds of figuring out what to do with the last wheel um luther says this must be your final test what the hell is he talking about the final test is looking lower on the cylinder but like it's the most useless thing to say to someone ever it's like i've been given presumably we didn't see them but seven questions to spin several wheels and now we've got one wheel left how do i spin it you just go that's your final test you're like thanks luther we've got 50 seconds left why are you wasting my time say something useful uh so yeah as rags mentioned it's just so fucking screwed up that they tell ethan when he literally can't do anything he may as well just let it blow up without him knowing so that he could at least enjoy those last few seconds of his life not knowing what the fuck's going on uh but yeah they say we didn't want to bother you you had a lot going on quote yeah you know you know as you gotta you gotta manage those stress levels with your secret agents you don't want them i mean like i don't know i feel like i'd want to know and i'm not even a secret agent guy and you know i i get stressed out as we all do but i feel like i'd i'd rather know uh they they're interruption by the way is to try and picture this ethan can't do anything like he's just has to listen and hope the bomb doesn't go off and he doesn't realize he gets pickpocketed and grace leaves his area completely he wasn't hanging on to it he wasn't holding their arm or anything at the same time luther cannot do anything other than look at his laptop screen which right now is fixated on ethan and and grace he misses that she not only steals the key but walks away he's got no alerts for that it doesn't see any of it it just it just done and it's not the entity subverting him because they show us that grace is on there and then he like looks the screen he goes oh grace is gone it's like what were you looking at what was there to look at you guys had one job i understand that it's stressful because a bomb might go off at any moment but i mean hello like but yes grace is gone now and she's got the real key uh so this is quite a catastrophe which does happen in a lot of the uh mission possible movies they often end up giving the fucking important things of the bad guys unfortunately uh what a shame so uh what a shame that's that's almost it for the uh oh yeah sorry after that happens ethan looks through like a little area in the wall that's just visible and he spots the agent people who look at him he looks at them and then he starts running and he's just like what are the odds of that and then oh oh no i was just thinking wouldn't it have been a possible fix that if he was wearing a mask and then he looks at the agents and then like sort of does a shock and then turns around and starts moving away that would actually give him away even though he's wearing a mask you could actually play it that way but it's he's just not going to wear a mask anyway so yeah they could of course try to come up with something to where the agents are like really good at their job trying to catch him and they and they do something that's actually really like clever or interesting that makes them you know especially from that point forward being like oh like they might actually catch ethan and crew if they're not you know at their a game you know they these guys these agents that are sent to capture them they're pretty good um they were looking for him yes that's something that we uh established when talking about this scene there are i think eight agents something like that in an airport spread out completely looking for him and he happens to right after grace steals his key you directly look at one of them in the face by accident that seems likely someone who uh someone who's recently in airports uh big airports that's uh that's quite a coincidence airports are really big sometimes and uh ethan is someone you might call experienced maybe some of this before once or twice maybe that is these goons functional role in the plot though they just turn up to excuse the scene transition or to excuse the plot moving towards something else that's that they arrive very conveniently in exactly the right place at exactly the moment the plot needs them to do in order to send us off to the next scene they're always just about five seconds behind where they need to be but they're never more than five seconds behind where they need to be and they're never less than that either they just turn up when the film needs something new to happen oh look the comic relief duo have arrived time for the next thing yeah it's like a bit of extra stress and uh i don't know tension for free thrown on this isn't even the first film that does that we uh we discovered it with the ghost protocol right it was a a team of was it russian agents that just keep catching up with him yeah yeah catching up and and foiling his plans at the worst possible moment yes so gray starts getting on the plane with their real key and i was just like oh so if you're the entity right now then you know that you'd know all of this because they're on the comms and all the different pieces of digital all the cameras you know everything you know all of this all the plane stuff is absolutely part of like networks absolutely so airports what we see next of the entity is that the he tries to use gabriel to get to grace when she's caught by the italian police therefore we can conclude gabriel wants to get to grace to get to the key he says that explicitly with the italian police but why does the entity let that plane leave yeah just like ground it stop it yeah like because i can i can teach the entity how to do this stuff because clearly it doesn't know how what you need to do is just technologically just stop the airplane just cut out all the power whatever you want to do you can just have it have errors failures uh then you send gabriel in and you give him all the fake idea to make him the highest authority that could ever be in this airport for whatever reason and then you can say that this woman is a known terrorist and i'm arresting her and the power of hacker man and then you get the key again and then you drop her and go that's it remember the the entity is presented as like capable of like quintillions of calculations hacker god it's just like immensely powerful and knowledgeable the idea that it couldn't see that that was a better option it's the only reason that that's not the case is because i wanted to set pace in rome that's it yeah that's the reason why it happened it's not because of any like actual sound plotting um so it's bad enough on the entity's side but then you have the uh the imf side and it's like can they not hack the plane slash stuff to just give it errors so that it doesn't work and then get ethan over there yeah it's it's i mean all the because you have your pre-flight checks and you're refueling and all that stuff there's a lot of things that could go wrong a lot of things like what if a fire alarm just goes off in the airport i was just about to say what if banji pulls the fire alarm they have to get everyone out they wouldn't launch the plane then right i mean if you need to just shoot a gun into the air you know just no phone anonymous bon thread phoning up on thread that too that would also how do you account for the fact that the entity wanted grace to go to uh to venice why because it wanted because remember the choice why what does that have to do with anything why don't ask me because the answer to that question is the you know ask the ask her i swear to god if we're gonna do the whole yes but the entity wanted everything to happen the way that it happened in this trust me bro sources told me um he he's going to collect the key off her when she arrives in italy what difference would it have made if he had collected it off it before she arrived in italy why does that need to happen and then he fails that by the way wouldn't the logical inference be in terms of like the way that it all lined up was that that was it changing its parameters and changing its goals we do not see an agabriel and a everyone else who's aligned with the entity operating in the whole film as though everything's going to plan we have the explicit and very cringe worthy ethan where he's really mad because ethan has filed his plans which never should have happened but we'll get to that that's why later but right now he wanted to get the he wanted uh mantis to get the key in the airport she failed that was the entity's goal it fucked up and it fucked up because of grace who was actually sent here by white widow who was in cahoots with the entity so all of that is hilarious and stupid and the entity should have known and then the entity wants to get the key off her in italy when she's under the police custody but sorry what am i am i fucking it is it italy and police this with her in it yeah um and so yeah cook good a pizza he comes in and he's like you just took in a woman and did you get her inventory was there a key that's what he asked him he fails because she's already gone right and what i'm saying is like if that was if the entity keeps fucking this up because pat mantis fucks up again in the car chase why didn't the entity just do the easy things we've labeled several of them but one of them is just stopping the airplane have you considered that the entity and villain man are trying to mess with ethan and that that's their goal you can't keep making these points when we see the entity fail it wanted to get the key off the buyer but it was taken already by grace why would it send mantis to do that unless it wanted the key well remember the entity knows everything that's going to happen so it planned everything out who is assisted by killing that random buyer who is assisted by gabriel randomly threatening killing a secretary and threatening the head of italian police what does that assist it's the entity he sees more than you do okay he knows all he's got a grand plan that you see i think something that you forget about moller is that the entity works in mysterious ways and he's a fucking moron he should have grounded that plane taken the key and he would have won really early because the white widow had the other one he could have gone straight to her and it would be over and i mean of course you know if the whole goal is to mess with ethan the entity can you know like you don't need the keys to do that well it can succeed in protecting itself permanently and then mess with ethan yeah why would you take the chance when you're vulnerable also it's a hyper hyper intelligent ai entity it can do two things at once it can mess with him in a completely disconnected way by say magicing the appearance of a key in the pocket of some random who flies to japan and off ethan goes chasing the complete wrong key at the same time as the entity solves its actual key problem by making the right decisions and locking up thief woman in the airport so even if you assume that it is completely planned out from the beginning by the entity the entity has made the worst conceivable decisions for something of its vast intellects that you can imagine i didn't say the white widow is a broker for the entity the two buyers on offer at the time we get to hear actually ethan and the entity i don't know why but they don't tell us about any or more of them there will be loads that's the that's the choice she has to make when we get to her but we're not on her yet um and yeah i don't know how you're gonna contextualize uh gabriel shouting like an anime villain as the entity wanted that to happen good luck so uh yeah the cia people are like oh he's gotta be here somewhere our shucks we lost him because all he does is run in a straight direction and he gets rid of him um again they especially you know the layout of the layout of an airport is such that it's not you know it's not like super open there's generally like terminals and pathways to follow back there's right they have someone on the cameras so all they need to do is tell her the guy we are currently chasing he may not look like ethan on your cameras but he is tag him tell us where he is that would have been it he wouldn't be able to escape because she would have him i like about any stuff like that also uh mantis killing that guy would be on camera just going to be this is going to be a guy who was murdered in the airport when they can trace her on camera um how many kills does mantis get away with in this film like a notion about a main character and don't give me the entity bullshit eyes see her people see her kill people police they don't seem to chase her or do anything about it it's not good she is it's not good they also take the time to explain with gabriel that the entity is erasing his presence in real time but i don't think they ever established that he's doing the same thing for her you kind of have to assume that that's what's happening except that she leaves a very visible trace that she has been there as mentioned because she's actually killing people and that's without the fact that later on she goes on a much more publicly destructive rampage yes which you can't really erase from existence no matter how much you try so back to the world we cut over to the old intelligence agencies generally i'm not sure if they're several or all but they've made this big room that is running strictly analog and away from the entity they're using shortwave radio magnetic audio recording cathode grade two monitors corona spy satellites from the cold war kind of fun you can you have a complete the analog system of exchange with a satellite is it just one huge wire no it can be like radio waves or something right yeah it's there's so much we i don't know about the difference between digital and analog that i'm willing to trust that they wouldn't reference these things unless they were considered analog technologies yeah i i assume it works yeah before things were digital we had ways of like communicating with so yeah like i assume it checks out scientifically i assume so and they say will this help us find ethan he says no no one's going to be able to find him but it will help us find this woman grace they're saying that uh they're on her because they saw her talking to him and they're hoping it'll lead them to ethan which i'm fine with i think all that makes sense what wait what are you sure yeah that they gotta find all right because they're hoping to find him through grace there you go a scene that i liked all right well all right so grace is collected by the police and her multiple aliases from her passports are all exposed and the guy says you've been sent here because italian police received an anonymous tip matching your description telling us you'd be arriving on the afternoon flight from Abu Dhabi with multiple passports that all have crimes connected to other countries that means the entity did that it dogged her in and it got it collected so it's going to send gabriel to pick her up then unfortunately gabriel is too late again just a fail from the entity which i don't know how it happens but it does um so yeah the airplane thing came up again but anyway uh ethan then turns up posing as her lawyer while the cia fbi agent people also turn up to collect her from that scene we just mentioned so everyone is here again and mantis is also there because she's working for gabriel who works for the entity so it's this just everyone's here and they've all got their ways again here it all makes sense is it worth pointing out that that ethan is here but at least if they followed his very clear instructions in the previous scene benji and his friend are not there because he specifically said that there is no rendezvous they have to separate the mission is a failure so they shouldn't be here but they are but they are they will turn up in a minute and they don't contact him they just stumble into him very odd it's a really small place italy it happens all the time i guess they followed the carnage but still the carnage wasn't isolated and ethan was actually in secret by the time they bumped into him put the car in carnage so um gabriel turns up and he says i need to inventory the items of grace as a time of arrest which i thought was strange i would have thought that would all be recorded by now but um it doesn't matter anyway but she didn't have the key something we're about to find out uh anyway gabriel says she left with a key and then the the italian police guy goes there was no key and then uh he's like who are you and he's like i'm into poll and uh the guy eventually says like you're not into poll and gabriel says i can if i want to be i was just like that's not how this works he says such cringe things and he should be saying awesome things well it wouldn't it be just the the notion that like every single thing that he's saying may well be like specifically curated uh to like mess with any given person would be interesting to see how different his temperament is depending on who he's talking to you know like what does it even look like as a person if with one person he adopts one strategy and then with another person he adopts and into you know like in um you remember in rick and morty they are the the crystal that like predicts the future and then uh and then when morty just starts making all those weird sounds like just go like oh like to try and make sure that he's going towards the right future should be like that except not like quite like that or that would be interesting wouldn't it we think gabriel should just be saying where is she right now and then the guy will be like oh uh she's in that other room and you'd be like cool and go straight in there kill ethan take her interrogate her till he gets the key but whatever he needs to be he needs to be cringesville and man also this is kind of his intro scene so um he says we both know you've stolen things before now to be fair this is gabriel to the italian police commissioner guy and he says so i'm gonna have to search you his assumption gabriel is from the algorithm i guess that this guy stole the key like that's what the algorithm has concluded so gabriel's gonna have to search him physically because obviously the entity can't do that and so the guy goes to call for help and gabriel stabs him in his hand and says your secretary is no logger with us and i look at like why what is with this stupid dialogue man would you kill the secretary also why did you kill did the entity not predict like hey killing the secretary is probably a bad idea no it's good that was what he needed to do this is what i mean i hate this kind of ryan where it's just like every stupid decision is like actually no like it's the best thing ever because actually this is this is why i think it would make sense for him to go up to the secretary and be like i am interpol check the fucking computer and then the empty goes and she's like oh my god you are interpol go right ahead sir play oh you think that the way that it should work is you know it's kind of like you know like contaminated to the t-1000 is able to maneuver through the world a hell of a lot easier than arnecan it feels like it should be like that that it should be effortless for him to yeah that takes on the appearance of a police officer which instantly makes it easier for him to do that well so that's in terminator two yeah there's that and then obviously all the disguises i imagine that the thing here would be that because ethan is like disavowed he's like in trouble it's it should be really hard for him and it should be like effortless for uh gabriel he should be able to like easily maneuver through these you should know exactly what is required to say to the smallest and most efficient amount yeah not only that but it doesn't have the ability it can it can really fuck up tom cruise's life immensely by fabricating an arrest record and publishing his face and his details and telling everyone to be on the lookout for him so if he's walking around without a mask then he's in real trouble because all the law enforcement agencies don't necessarily know who he is but they know that he's got a fabricated arrest warrant now for him so they all want to try and catch him at the same time as the entity itself is posing as law enforcement so it has no equivalent problems and you solve all of this nonsense needing random blonde french people to go around driving humvees through the streets of italy destroying the police because you've been much more subtle and artful and careful about how you're going about things and also yeah the entity is able to plan all this stuff in advance then he should have all of the fake ids that he will need in the future already on him ready to go uh i'm just saying now you are forgetting again gabriel is not a robot under the control of the entity the entity needs him and he plays sick games so like so here's a problem though like when you present like a computer that is this intelligent the computer should know how to manipulate him in a way that's advantageous to his goals not only it was kind of a thought i was having throughout the film was like well let's put it this way if we've got an entity that understands you better than you know yourself it's a super duper computer algorithm that has access to all the information it could ever need about you and it can develop like a really accurate profile of you that is better than one that you could create for yourself the entity should know the things that it could say to the people that it's got under its control to manipulate them to it's the problem when you present something this powerful it shouldn't be using uh first it shouldn't be using gabriel if this is an actual problem second yeah the film doesn't support this gabriel uh seems to actually have a real time assessment of uh determinism we see that happen once which throws everything out of whack because it means like wait is gabriel the entity is he an android what the fuck but we'll have to find out in part two what the hell they're doing with that um we will get messages beamed into him via a coffin i think i remember that well an earpiece maybe the entity is like by the way this is happening do this this is happening do this we don't know yet maybe they'll give us the answer in part two we'll talk more about that when we get to the scene that it regards thirdly if gabriel were just a crazy person doing all this stuff it's still not wise to do what he did like i don't believe he would want to do that he doesn't even want to stab the fucking police commissioner yeah he does it because he goes to try and get for help he said he just wants to search him that's all if the motivation is to mess with ethan why does he want to fuck with all these random people he's never gonna meet again but what's that if the motive is that he wants to fuck with people in general cause suffering he just loves to do it then like wouldn't we see way more of that why are we seeing so little of that the reality is it's inconsistent and bad yeah like i know you don't want to have to deal with this but like the film fucked itself over with the entity the entity is too powerful um and it's like the film doesn't fully grasp what it's created in in this uh computer it's the same it's again it's like the problem with ultron the same similar problems with ultron not quite the same whereas it's like dude it's too smart it's like a hyposuperduper ultra like the amount of information that this thing has at its disposal is like astounding that it could be making such simple mistakes well he's also a moron with the the police guy right because what he's coming in there to do is find out if this guy pocketed the key that's all he wants to do which sounds like it just sounds goofy anyway but the police guy says like there was no key and so gabriel's like yes but according to the algorithm you'd be the kind of man to steal the key because you've stolen stuff before so i gotta check your pockets how fucking stupid does that sound like okay but the police commissioner guy is like you're insane and i'm calling for help and then he stabs him that's why he stabs him he's like i'm gonna check your pockets one way or another mister this is like this is so silly but it's gabriel really gabriel's not like what if gabriel came in there with like some other people who were dressed as like inner pole uniformed people and so it looked a bit more official and more important and it wasn't just this one guy coming in claiming to be interpol the guy asked for id like if he had his faked id he gave the id and he had people with him then it'd be like oh shit this is actually inner pole and i might the jig might be up i need to give back what i took yeah but i still the funny thing is he didn't take the key because there was no key because the fucking algorithm managed to account for this guy possibly pickpocketing it but not grace putpocketing it you know what i mean like you can't explain that that whole sequence is actually completely unrelated to ethan it is just a failure on the part of the entity why i i think the entity isn't too powerful because ethan does point out that it's afraid the entity is just a more human with more additional info than the rest of the human populace the problem is like if it's got this much access to information that can sort it that quickly it's not a human also it's afraid because of one of the possible outcomes is that it loses yeah which you know like i guess that's valid the idea that it's like a human though so i find this i find this hilarious people are like it's not a god guys it can't predict to that level it's like we would just shown that it can and we will be shown there is a quote and this is again something metal highlighted and i found it's so fucking bad when he did gabriel says at one point in this film i don't have to worry about the keys because tomorrow it will be laid at my feet and then sure enough the day after the key is laid at his feet you guys remember how that happens the entity predicted all of that the whole the sum this suit the film makes it pretty clear that that's the way the entity works it's just making predictions about the future and that those predictions are really accurate because of the amount of information that it has access to up to the point up to like the routes yeah that people will take through a city as they're running the whole film is about this it's all it's predicting everyone's behaviors like i'm surprised everyone's pulling the card of like it ain't god it's like it predicted that one of either girls would die and then it better likely right yeah and so now we're highlighting there's times where it gets a completely wrong word absolutely shouldn't it's just being a moron and then of course this is all put into one side not only the predicted power but just the abilities and it has to influence the world through its use of technology because we see the way that it can in real time like alter security camera footage of spoiler later on in real time imitating different people manipulating like technology hacking into things disrupting things like it's incredibly powerful it's immensely powerful and it's the marriage of those two things the marriage of those two things really doesn't work because it's one thing to say it has immense predictive ability but no ability to influence the world and therefore engineer a particular course of action but that's not what the entity is the entity is meddling in the world the entity has immense agency the entity can close off all avenues for predictions it doesn't like via the actions it takes within the world itself meaning that really if the entity is as powerful as we're told it is and as we're showing it being repeatedly there is absolutely no reason it should end up in a position where it's afraid of a failure point because it should have precluded the possibility of that failure point already true but it didn't because then we wouldn't have a film um we find out that grace doesn't have the key because while she was on the airplane she put pocketed it into a random guy and she exchanged numbers with this guy and said that that they will meet in a particular place later which is relatively clever in any other film the problem in this one is that she is digitally connected with this guy and the microphones would have been on in their phones meaning the deal she made with him to meet him is now something all the the entity knows all of that doesn't act on it though the entity should know about that guy already and it should consider a person of interest that she went onto this airplane spoke to him and said i need to meet you specifically later and then she doesn't have the key i wonder where the key is but maybe they had their phones on airplane mode um so yeah i don't know i think i suppose that the entity couldn't figure that one out either uh so ethan then starts talking to grace about her sort of history and what he thinks about her and what he thinks that she should do next which i thought was kind of interesting considering she's been caught police could come in at any moment he's most wanted by the american intelligence agencies and who knows how many other people at this point needs to get out to go but he wants to talk to her extensively first she even suggests that they get out and he's like oh i'll get you out once you tell me where the key is like you should go man it's gonna get bad and then she says by the way your friends are here and he's like oh why did you tell me about them and i was even thinking to say as her it's like she doesn't even know if she is on your team if they are against you i don't know that might be helpful it's like you should have just got her out it's kind of where i'm going it's okay yeah i got you yeah get her out it's a bad place to be you got people coming after you um that list is growing so she explains how she got onto the key as the contact with her client i'll be the but the white widow was almost entirely encrypted texts except a drop that was given with a ticket to Abu Dhabi in a picture of Ethan meaning everything she knew about the the guy that she was going to be pickpocketing i guess and the drop in where it was going to be happening was or at least the job was discussed in texts which the entity would have had access to even if they are encrypted doesn't matter it gets everything that's digital and so that must be like like what did the entity learn from that like surely it would have been able to trace that it was the white widow that was organizing grace and thus grace is the one that gets in the way of mantis and the airport feels just completely off i don't know if if anyone remembers i don't i can never tell the difference between them forgetting who knows what or who's working for who or just how much the entity would know when they tell us it's like worldwide spanning and access to all networks of everything it's a bit messy and they're a bit inconsistent with it so one of those like is this in universe or is it just bad writing i don't know but of course this is where we find out the the only reason grace was able to pickpocket the guy is because she was told to chase the guy that ethan was chasing and therefore if ethan had worn a mask grace wouldn't be able to do anything he wouldn't be in the plot out of the awkward bit because there's every reason to wear a mask and he just didn't for no reason um also the drive was empty the crypto uh money i don't this is very casually said and i don't know what we're supposed to gain from it like she was promised that he'd have a drive that she could steal and it would have a payment on there but it had nothing on there is it are they implying that the entity took the money so she couldn't use it i don't know though the weird part is that uh it's the entity is what's being broken with with the white widow so i don't know why that would help the entity rather than hinder it uh because it's a funny meme okay oh well see because then she gets in it's like oh damn there's no money in the entity it's like gotcha um a lot to think about the funny in me would be like i will pay you with an nft and then low and behold it's worthless oh no but i know i don't i don't really understand why it would have removed all of the money given that we were told right at the beginning of the film that it's in control of the stock exchange and the global financial system it's not exactly short for cash um and it would get her off of its like she would then become a much more predictable asset wouldn't she like she completes the entire purpose that was set out for her is paid off is then for all intents and purposes out of calculations there's no point continuing to accommodate her because she's done her job and she's moved on and she's got what she wanted and that's it so they leave gets her out of there but grace very cleverly uh says i can't remember what she says but she implies to a bunch of men around them that he's tom cruisers is being abusive to her so they all protect her i thought this was fucking stupid as hell they're in a criminal justice building and he is acting as her lawyer and she was just arrested like why would that work instead of just him being like she's a fucking criminal i'm her lawyer you guys like you're all trying to be white knights like seriously it's so bizarre like why wasn't she in cuffs like why would ethan have released her from the cuff she was i'm pretty sure she was in them i guess he got the keys and then uncuffed here and because they took out a bunch of police we find that out what's the right sorry or was that what when is the paper clip saying come in that comes in well that does come in but i you know what i'm at that point she is in ethan's custody but doesn't have cuffs on if she took them off herself he would obviously put them back on and be like what the fuck did you you know i mean like he wants to keep her in cuffs she she's can't be trusted right now but then the fact that she isn't she's able to sell immediately that he's just a guy tried to abuse her and so they get separated i thought it was so fucking out of nowhere it's like how are you doing this in this building do these guys not know anything does ethan doesn't even try to say he's her lawyer or that she's a criminal uh doesn't he say that i think he does say that he's her lawyer right he does if he does none of them care about it either he doesn't say it or they don't give a shit which no i i'm pretty sure he does that and they block him they don't care that he said it yeah but why well now we know how the italians think about law and order i guess that's so much worse i was kind of hoping that he didn't say it anyway uh because you'd think that all of them would be related to criminal justice they wouldn't just be random civilians it's the police building correct uh i mean i guess i think they're still in there yeah regardless of whether he says that she's her lawyer if she if she wants to get away from her lawyer you know that doesn't really change anything right well i guess then you should have said she's a criminal i that probably would have been a better that would have been a better line to go with i would say but also i mean there's still why yeah sorry i guess i'm just turned around i should be saying he he needs to appeal to why she shouldn't be able to escape which is that she's a criminal yeah rather than because he still could be a harvey weinstein lawyer he could still that could still be true i guess it could still be true even if she's a criminal but like that's not something that any of them entertain they just well the thing is that you should be pointing to more urgency in terms of like her and her being a criminal rather than directing more attention to himself that's it like like he should also be in cups right uh i mean yeah probably yeah because this would that would solve a hell of a lot of these problems of course yeah because at that point it would just lend a lot of legitimacy to ethan saying like oh yeah don't let her get away um yeah uh action ensues we got our actions uh there's both a car ready to steal and a motorbike ready to steal so she gets in the car nice they're just laying around that is often the case in all these movies there's always just a car ready to go um it's maybe the real world is really like that and i just don't think about it because i don't think about stealing cars yeah yeah that could be it i haven't stolen any i haven't stolen a car i i don't think so i don't think i'm still in a car but maybe it's because i just don't think about it and i'm not a car thief that i don't go around the world with that kind of lens on you know noticing all the cars that would be so easy to steal uh he tries to get her attention and i think he tries to wind up her window and because she's doing that she's not focusing on the road and she actually gets uh i think t-boned um just spun around there's a few bits in in this chase which are again slightly tricky if if you want to run with the idea that the entity predicts absolutely everything up until the point of their meeting because the more times there's a very very near miss or someone gets hit by a car that survives because of luck by definition the less predictable that thing is so if that car had rammed into her at a slightly different angle or at slightly higher speed and she died or become badly concussed or something or if he hadn't jimmied his way out of the the handcuffs later on before he gets smacked by a train like there's all of these little variables that come in that make it virtually impossible to predict the outcome except by recourse to luck yeah i understand what you're saying and a lot of people are saying like aren't these in every mission impossible it's like and they'll be mentioned every time there's films that don't do it and they get more credit than the films that do how it goes um a lot of action films will rely on crazy contrivances in the middle of action scenes and i like to point out when the action's awesome and when the action's not as awesome yeah not all action scenes are created equal consider why uh you have mantis arrives with three goons uh tom cruise takes out two goons with his bike and uh like rams the third goons head into the window to knock him out but then the agents arrive and there's four of them and then mantis uh the sorry italian police arrive and i believe there are three of them maybe two feels like there should be a hell of a lot more i don't know why only one car for the italian police shows up and then mantis takes the gun off one of them after she beats them up kills another one and then kills two of the agents she's she's going killing what she do and uh then there's like a shootout until tom cruise and grace escape bay this is a kind of a fun moment of so many different factions competing so hard that it gives our heroes an opportunity to escape that kind of scenario so i don't know it's just a little longer like like uh mantis has some severe plot armor people kind of avoid taking her out a lot of the time especially in that moment or they're just not good enough to take her out when if she got tagged like once she's an incredibly annoying problem throughout this whole film for our main characters and just manages to get away this is the most prominent and i think from this point out the only people working for the entity are mantis and uh mantis and um Gabriel is that it there's no more do we ever see another henchman i i guess we assume one's driving the tractor later at the train thing but is that it there's no more goons no more there's another goon in the alley when they have that alley fight oh yeah i think that i think that's the last one yeah yeah that's right but we never really get a sense of how big this cyber death cult really is it's just do you mean they seem to work yes i'm guessing it's like meant to be part two is maybe we'll get more of a reason as to why Gabriel's doing this which again there could be like an actual interesting motivation there but i'm i don't know based on what we've seen now i feel like it's going to be lame whereas it could be interesting if he's like dude like this ai is really cool man like he's going to be in charge and he will take over and and he sees all knows all he has all the information he can make although you could go for like the sort of dex route like the machine god that knows all people's so well that it can take into account all of their interests their wants and their dislikes and form conclusions based on that but i feel like based on what we've been presented here in terms of an exploration of ai i think it's going to be lame it's also exploration of villain motives mantis is a good warning against expecting too much of part two because for her most part in this film she's just generic blonde psycho killer and she drives huge cars through piles of cars and causes massive destruction while laughing and that's basically all there is to her right up until the point when she decides she's now good and that's and the reasoning behind that is just laughable and then we never really get anything from her again from what i recall anyway so like she is never really going to be properly explained and then yeah but then yeah if one of your principal agents for the for the entity is this unformed throughout the entire film you never really get a sense of well she's so susceptible to be changed as we find out later then how reliable is his plan of relying on his cyber death cold given that apparently they their motives are only to cause destruction and death until they decide they don't want to do that anymore well we could talk a bit more about who the board goes on but you are correct as of this selection of scenes he's laughing like cackling as she's killing everybody in moments uh she she seems the way the film's going is that she's crazy uh seems like she's in this for a lot more than the entity winning she enjoys doing the whole killing people thing um like crumbopulous michael crumbopulous mantis he seems to operate a little more respectfully than she does i yeah he's he's more chill he doesn't cackle and laugh as he does it just no the crumbopulous michael he was just there for like two minutes and then he died the best made such an impression in those two minutes um so they uh their car is kind of compromised they they want to get another one and uh Ethan has an app on his phone to find him a good vehicle that you know like this one was tough to understand i didn't know if this meant that it was a spy car that the app takes you to a spy car if it's an imf card like would even have access to those kinds of things anymore you think there's there's so many like where would the ai have access to the phone is the main concern is the entity it's an analog well yeah so it's it's um because it's something that happens later in the film but it's probably worth touching on now when you got like self-driving cars or cars that have some kind of remote control or self-driving capabilities makes them a satellite technology would have a thought in the back of his mind of oh shit what if like it hacks into this and clouds me off a cliff they make a joke about it and it's so fucking painful may as well bring that up now there's no reason not to it's not like it's prompted by anything it's kind of isolated but there's a point in this film where benji's driving but he needs to use his laptop so he moves to the passenger seat and turns on autopilot he looks at the autopilot and like we look at it and then he goes and puts on his seatbelt the implication being oh what if the entity killed me by driving this into a wall and it's like you can't that's not funny that's the drama of a fucking film legitimate point as soon as he did that all i thought is like wait are you gonna like get killed here like is that what's about to happen how lame would that be if the entity just spud the wheel he went off a cliff we were like oh i mean it would be incredibly lame for benji the tech guy to give his self-driving car and then it gets taken over by the entity and it plows him into a wall well they they'd never like kill some kind of legacy character so arbitrarily i don't think that's true no i i don't think they would do that that would be baffling especially if you don't you had like five lines up to that point yeah okay yeah that'd be yeah but yeah um of course first thought with using an app on his phone was just like so the entity's just not gonna let you find anything but it does okay but then as free just measures like if this is an iabf related thing like should the iabf be alerted to this like oh he's using this but then maybe they won't be because they're not using the digital stuff anymore i don't know what the fuck's going on he gets a car and then they have jokes about how he can't quite start it up because he's not familiar with this set of controls and a little bit of bonding for him and grace which i feel like i should have done a little bit more effort into saying that his performance has been great so far um hell yeah well and the brief moments of they've taken some advantage of characterizing her during these scenes it's not like it's not just you know robotic he's uh she is quite a like she's obviously lived a life where she's not trusted a single person doesn't believe what he's doing is let's say she's uh she's quite unique in this slate of mission impossible characters never quite had anybody quite like her which is kind of funny to say because her backstory is exactly the same as the girl from the second one he had is but that's different well yeah we i don't know if that's worth mentioning right now but for those who don't remember which is pretty much everybody um tandy newton in the second mission impossible is a like will class thief that uh he incorporates into the imf because he's told to because she has a connection with the villain and but he you know those skills come in handy blah blah blah and uh he nearly gets her killed and the film becomes about how he needs to make sure he saves her because it can't be the like it's all because of him dragging this girl into this whole fight and then having her die so weird that none of that gets referenced in this film and that's what this film's about and i haven't even mentioned it's legitimately strange haven't you mentioned mission impossible three weird that that happens in the opening a girl who's brought in specifically by ethan trained by ethan recommended for fieldwork by ethan and he fails to save her because he runs out of time none of that's mentioned either really strange i wonder if mccquarie has rewatched those movies in recent times because i can understand people forgetting that that's what happens in them i think people forget what happens in all the mission impossibles if i'm being completely honest with you yeah and remember the name of the tech guy in mission impossible one how about the helicopter pilot mission impossible two how about the field agents mission impossible three and what was the name of the villain in the four nobody knows that fringy why would you ask that yeah it's just you know so anyway they get in the car they start uh they start driving off just the car chase itself is entertaining it's a tiny car and they've you know fucked up with having their hands connected by uh puffs because ethan doesn't want to lose her but of course she has pocketed a paper clip earlier we saw it too so how long is that gonna last who knows i don't know it's a fun car chase for the most part going around look at the little fiat that's cute and fun it was a funny little joke when they're they're going for the car right and there's a super car next to it and then it's the little yellow fiat that comes out like that was fun uh mantis gets back on their trail because they are tagged by a camera that recognizes i think ethan's face and then that's sent to the police and then she overhears that on her police radio that's inside the truck she stole which was confusing me because i would have thought the entity would have been able to tell her where they are or gabriel i assume they have communications of some kind why wouldn't they um and he's got a phone so the entity will know where ethan is at all times i you know i just but i don't know if it's ever it's fine i guess um when they're driving ethan has to avoid a baby carriage and so he just swerve hard and it rolls the whole car over and i've seen a couple people complain about this this part particularly that they switch places when falling what did what did you guys think about that was kind of kind of like that's all i got for you it's kind of like yeah i saw someone very angry at it oh i okay it's worth getting like very angry at that's how i felt i was like i mean you know it's whatever the fact is there's probably reasons to be pissed off by this film that is probably not slow or the less 50 don't worry about it sorry um then we'll lighten up because uh grace is now driving again and she's panicking she um starts to do donuts essentially and she sees the smoke coming and she assumes that's from the car and so panics even more like assumes the car is on fire she says and then ethan's like no no no it's the tires and he's trying to fix her up but she keeps spinning in circles mantis can't fuck them up because her car stalls which i thought was a little lame it's like oh okay but it gives you a comedic payoff after i went down the big stair bump and she makes a big jump right she makes the big jump down the stairs and it's something for sure but of course it's still like something the one time yeah it's not they couldn't escape her as the one time she stalls um yeah it would be yeah you know you could he still have a comedic beat if they both stalled and they're both looking at each other where they're both like each other trying to get to yeah yeah trying to get the their cars started yeah that that would be kind of funny especially because this is yeah again right after they both go careen off the stairs which by the way in the credits at the very end of the credits they have a special note about how they actually didn't fuck up the actual roman stairs they they built a replica of it you know for the stunts and everything don't worry we didn't actually fuck up the famous roman stairway which i thought was which i thought was actually abusing in the credits um so they end up driving down one area and then back another and they look like they're stuck but ethan reverses and turns into like this narrow alleyway and they come out the other end on a train track um the weird part is that we don't see anyone catch up to them for the whole time ethan's there even though they very clearly went that direction you know i mean like any cops getting out of their cars and running down there would eventually catch up to them pretty easily especially if they know that that just leads to a train track so they ain't going anywhere you know that the car will be stuck is what i'm saying you'd think they would have been followed but nobody comes in after them on that way um however uh unfortunately he has uh you know picked picked the lock on the cuffs and attached it to the wheel of the car now but she's free and ethan's stuck um this did get talked about an open bar that some people see it as a knock against a character that she practically leaves him for dead and doesn't care i'm willing i think to say that she did not realize the train was coming she probably wouldn't have cuffed him to the wheel if she thought that was she she throws the paperclip at him i think she assumes he can get himself out pretty easily yeah just like to buy yourself more time i don't know i think yes against that though you're stuck and you're on a train track and it's reasonable to assume that there might one day be a train that's coming past and you don't know how far away that is i think the best counter argument is she would have known and she was leaving she would have heard it though she should have been like oh fuck oh god if he can't get it and like turned around and felt guilty and maybe come back to make sure he's out you don't get any of that you just she leaves so it's still it's it's murky it's not great because uh he's done nothing but essentially look after at this point he's never he's not like sabotaged her he sabotaged him several times so the idea that she would kill him seems a bit harsh i don't think that was her goal at all i don't think that's what we're meant to conclude her goal was no um i the most thing you could conclude was that it was reckless that would be that'd be what i'd say no the most you can conclude is she chose to leave him for dead oh okay not that she was wanting to kill him that she was like if he dies he dies which is still oh yeah yeah right i i i i i i i get to his death well hankoff to a steering wheel on a train track his death is a reasonably foreseeable consequence for that now she can say well he's quick-witted and talented and probably he can get out but the fact is she doesn't know for sure he can get out in time so at least is willing to brook his death as a possible on the fact is he should have died uh yeah the way that it's shot it looks like he's still in the car when i guess um it is fucking weird i had to check it a couple times i wasn't entirely sure but yeah he goes to try and pick the lock he can't do it so he tries to lift the wheel off and he can't do it then he looks at the train the train's about give or take eight meters away and then it cuts to the train smashing the car and he jumped to the side with the wheel off so we're supposed to believe he did pull off the wheel which didn't look like he was able to pull that off when we saw him do be fair it is a fiat yeah but isn't it like a super duper like imf awesome fiat still some you know still a fiat a fiat you could just yank the parts right off a fiat known to be of like poor quality is that like a known thing or a meme i think they used to be known for breaking down all the time yeah i think they have it would have a jokey reputation i don't think it's like a serious one but it's like a little joke sort of thing you know it's a sense and a self-driving so it's relevant i'm serious remember that joke of the citizens where like harbor was going past and it didn't look like anybody was driving the car and then what was it let he's like oh look he's got a self-driving car and then it crashes like yeah an american self-driving car well when he drives the electric car into water he says don't worry it's an electric car like that that would make it work underwater remember the uh the when they were all going to uh it was the it's it's a wonderful life right the reference that guy what's the matter with your kid you told me the street was shallow yeah you remember that guy in the car why i order that he just keeps rambling as he sinks below the water but just like he's at him and the final important reference is the electric car that they ride balls it says if you ride me you'll think people will think you're gay oh yeah that was the uh 1950s inspired like the version of the future hello i'm an electric car your shitty lame voice and it says it can't go very fast or far i can't go very fast or very far there you go everybody there's all the simpson's car references that'll be now oh and then there was that car that homo built remember the one for his brother homo will be a little whatever it was called it's an uh subsistence run and that was really it was there's a decent car in that i think it was one of the better cars in the game um yeah by the way this is when benji and luther just drive past ethan and go hey ethan he's like oh hey yeah just drive bump into him and run the biggest city in italy they literally could have called him he had his phone but oh well yeah but it's not the biggest country in italy and then uh oh this uh seriously caught me off god he's in the truck these luther camera pants sees benji camera pans there's ilsa yeah she smiles and i remember thinking at this point like fuck yeah where the hell have you been yeah where have you been there's been a whole movie where the fuck like damn where were you she's like the second main character of this series what part of no rendezvous do you not understand you're not supposed to be together and you're definitely not supposed to be together here yeah that conversation doesn't happen doesn't say what the fuck guys he just goes and it's like if you're gonna let them anyway then why didn't you just work with them and from the get go yeah um so they know from what she grace told ethan earlier that she's heading to the it's like a building for uh brokering things and then they find out it's organized by the white widow and so she's likely the buyer and uh then um ilsa says didn't she put a price on your head which by the way is it referenced to fall out where he had a deal with the widow and he welched on it hardcore to complete his own mission we never saw the fallout of that and now ilsa is telling us that apparently a price got put on his head which makes a lot of sense and then she says she and ethan worked it out he never told me how all right then i'll probably solve i guess that's better than nothing like carry on um also bedji says does she still think you're john lark and then uh his responses maybe i am or something like that i just like okay but does she it's like a serious point but okay really good reason to believe that she wouldn't think that anymore after everything that happened in fallout it's such a it's like there's so much that in this film where they'll like make a joke out of a thing but it's like clearly like oh but i actually need the answer to that we actually need to make sure that okay that's fine we're doing funnies um so they say we still need to find someone who knows what the key unlocks and then uh they presume like well you know the bomb that got put into the airport by somebody that somebody must work for the entity and so uh they start to figure out who that was as a sort of lead and uh luther says he compares the feeds from the security cameras in the airport to the feed on ethan's glasses and he notices that there's inconsistencies and they sort of arrived to create this optical illusion i thought that was like really fucked up in terms of like damn the entity sucks like luther managed to see that you've you've done a very bad job of trying to photoshop someone out of of a sequence of events you know you can see like all the remains of the artifacts and stuff i was like it's the fucking entity man i'm pretty sure it would know and it would be able to do it pretty good it did it in real time with uh ethan and it was perfect when we saw it but when you see it on luther's laptop it's like really obvious okay range and then uh luther points out that we can see him in the reflection because the entity didn't see that coming it didn't realize that you could uh it would have to scrub him from more than just him it would also need to scrub his reflections does that sound like some of the mistake the entity would make really it is the only potentially mitigating fact to the fact that it like in real time it's very impressive to be able to do any of this obviously after the fact that could have completed the job on say the cctv cameras at the airport but maybe not on the recordings they have multi quintillion calculations in milliseconds of all the other things it's done it can you know override them or something um change pixels and by the way it's not like he's seen as glitchy and sort of see through in the reflection as though it tried but like couldn't quite get it right it's that there's no attempt to clear him up from reflections like the entity doesn't know how reflections work which just don't buy it or is it leaving its fingerprints so that's the last defense someone will try is actually that was all on purpose it's like okay how many times are we gonna play that card it was all on purpose you know oh it's boring so they're like who is this guy and then Ethan says it's someone I thought died a long time ago in another life before the IMF before I was offered the choice in a real sense he made me who I am today and again I think it's just surely the movies are why you are who you are we and there's something they don't pack on which really annoys me in mission impossible one he loses his whole team at the beginning his whole team loser that's the big that's the opening that's the beginning of that story he loses his team he gets disavowed and then the whole plot plays out from there why not re why not leverage uh history that already exists in your franchise rather than creating brand new history because that's what fallout did like fallout more so than any other uh any of the other films like actually deals with the events of prior films it makes them consequential and bakes them into the plot right it's like the fallout of the prior you know films say isn't that cute but it does why not leverage the there's so much history in the series it's six movies now seven it's generally the implication I get but had they not said this I'd have been like we got to see why Ethan is the man that he is because he lost all of his team and he could have been prevented had he been better faster stronger that sort of thing and the as the movies go on he loses people here and there and stuff and so you know fallout making it about like you've nearly caused the end of the world by protecting your own team and like he does absolutely everything he can push to his limits to make up for that choice it feels like dead reckoning should be about how he really this time actually has to choose you know like a real and imminent threat or the sacrifice one of his friends like that feels like the next step but instead they do something else and we'll get there someone at church point out something that I was thinking about as well the weird thing about the recent Mission Impossible movies is that it loves to reference the earlier films with like the train and everything but it doesn't want to reference the movies plot or its influence like because it feels like the train fight scene at the end of the film yeah like that does feel like it's trying to be reminiscent of one it's like yeah but what about the what about the story in one I mean you brought back uh Kittridge as well yep so it's like they're aware of that history it's not like they don't know what it is but I just find it strange that that you would invent new history instead of leveraging the immense amount of history that you have at your disposal it also it leaves itself an immense amount of work to do to make it seem anything other than contrived that this guy who plays a pivotal role in Tom Cruise's very distant past also just happens to be the guy that this AI entity has chosen to be it's like dark mistire of cyber state. Someone would say to you of course the reason it shows him is because of that history but that's just for the second film to really make that make sense because holy fuck yeah but it's it's all and it also gives us that huge expo dump where she says that the um the entity makes sure that there's no history on Gabriel available except for all of this stuff that I know about him like the fact that he's a true believer and he considers himself the dark messiah and that he thinks death is a friend and all that sort of cringe stuff so and that's that's all been told to her by her friends at mi6 so they already know who he is it's none of that makes any sense but it's still the contrivance point is like he must surely believe in the pseudo religious aspect of the entity in order to play the character he's playing in this one but how is that going to be squared with just the random act that he presumably committed in the past this might be a because now it's come to the when Moeller and I were rewatching a fallout a thought that we had was like dude they should have brought back Henry Cavill as like the villain they shouldn't have killed him in that movie have him be the disfigured you know disgruntled as hyper motivated by revenge and reincorporate him into this film and then have him work with the entity and so then you've got more of that real history that we got to see play out rather than having us rely on history that we never saw that we just have to infer with very minimal references or material you can actually feed in the goals of the syndicate were to create a piece right he could you could easily get Walker to believe in the entity that the entity will bring about peace fully it'll stop everyone from fucking fighting it'll bring everything to a calm and it'll give humans exactly what they want you could probably get it so that you have that angle but then also how much he wants revenge on Ethan and that the entities promised him that if you're late again playing on that angle and then you can use this film to start referencing all the people who've died in the other mission impossible and how Ethan has just fucking walked on their corpses to get to what he wants that sort of thing which of course is something that the film can then challenge in terms of referencing how how relentlessly Ethan tries to save people throughout the films well yeah and we were talking about earlier I think you may have been muted but you know the bomb section we were talking about how the questions could have been a lot more personal and interesting if it had asked Benji what does he truly think of Ethan as a person and we can get out of Benji the actual concerns he has about him being like yeah kind of crazy kind of reckless kind of unhinged well kind of the same as like um because we've got a brief glimpse of that right with Luther in our fallout where he's talking to Ilse and sort of explaining like you know the reason why all of this happened is because uh Ethan uh essentially he wanted to save my life over like that was more important to him than the uh getting the plutonium and then and then like sort of delving into the consequences of that and that uh and then he you know he went on to say like you know you should not be a part of this Ilse you should like like that you could we know that these guys even though they obviously have an immense amount of respect for Ethan and they're super loyal to him they obviously to some extent are going to have disagreements with the way that he goes about things and doubt and then it just gives us more of an opportunity to give Luther and Benji something because they are underutilized they're part of these films but like we don't we haven't gotten nearly as much character for them over the course of several films as we got for Ilse in two yeah so uh and that's what um was just talking about like so that he says there's no knowing him he has no recorded past the entity made sure of that he's a dark messiah the entity's chosen messenger he sees death as a gift he wants to share with the rest of the world you know Molo you need to read these lines like you think that they're good you need to read them all like that no you must as they are performers we're here I don't remember how it's delivered exactly but like I can't help but look at these words and just I feel like thinking thinking these lines are good should disqualify you from writing them to begin with um yeah so then and some people in chat are already talking about this like don't worry we're there so Ilse Ilse says I still have a few friends in mi6 people who want to keep Britain from gaining control of the entity now the first question of course is how would they know as little platoons brought up it's like whenever you ask these questions this is the examples of like it bleeds why isn't Ilse asked these questions Ilse contacts these people strictly by electronic digital shit and she's she's sure that they are the ones that told her all this stuff even though they're the ones that have informed her what the entity does which is manipulate all of digital technology how does someone not have that moment of thought like hmm what i'm using right now about that um and then of course you start thinking wait a minute so all this information she's just given about the mi6 putting her on this mission is what got her into the desert with the key but why haven't you told Ethan any of this and Ethan says this why the hell didn't you tell me any of this and then she says i'm telling you now i love how they just hand weave that away that is a that is a righteous handbook excuse that one i've heard that in so many fucking movies it drives me nuts that i'm telling you now it's like that i know that i'm asking you why you didn't tell me earlier yes it just makes people feel like oh okay but it's like no no she should have told him and i don't know why he didn't ask her did he just say like oh this key i need it i've been told to get it do you know what it does and she's like okay all right well moving on um he says they knew he was on his way to Istanbul to acquire half a key and we beat him to it and then hidden the desert uh from a bounty but somehow the bounty hunters found you anyway that's what uh tom cruise says and i thought that at this point they were implying something and they continue they some uh say the key leads the source code and it's like uh you know all the all all this stuff all this information i've gotten electronic uh electronic electronically electronically and then they all have that realization whoa whoa oh my gosh this is an wow is this AI like a hacker man all of what Ilse got in terms of information may have come from the entity and not mi6 the entity may have been the one that got her to go to Istanbul and subvert whoever had the key at the time to get it herself because i guess it may have calculated that she's like the greatest person ever to get the key and that's why it knew she would also go to the desert my i'm guessing and that's why it it was the one that sent the because they have this line where they're like somehow it found you in the desert is like is that is the implication supposed to be that through determinism again like scanning your profiles it knew that she would go to the desert or something and it sent those bounty hunters i don't know um it's it's too hard to figure out and of course the entity's decisions are all over the place um but it led to her actually getting the key but i guess i was about to say you could justify every entity decision because it ends up with Gabriel getting the key only it doesn't actually end up that way but that's fine don't you worry about that yeah um but so i got really annoyed hearing Ilse basically realize how fucking retarded she is she was like wow this thing manipulates all of technology and i've been using nothing but technology to talk to the people that gave me all this information hmm i've never thought of this before and then they have the conversation the cringe one where you go we can't be sure that was the entity and then someone else goes we can't be sure it wasn't the entity and then i think even says that we can't be sure anything is real outside of this conversation like where was this at the beginning of the film of the movie yes hello what was this in your first briefing like come on guys you should know embarrassing the entity is fucking with their like equipment since the get go they've told like in theory they told that and it's only now that they're like wait a minute and and and then it's it's the funny part is by the way my old spoiler they the entity subsequently messes with the equipment that they use for they continue to trust their digital equipment this group they keep using it but the fact that they hadn't even considered that that was something that it could do is laughable like they should know better than that normies know this and they're like super duper secret agent guys um and then and then he says he he knows he knows the best way to get to me is through all of you there's a reason he wants me here it wants all of us here you all have to go and then again it feels like it's written by a kid that luther goes but what if it wants us to leave it's just like what you guys have never thought about any of this yet i mean i don't know yeah it's kind of it's kind of you think that they would have had the conversation sooner if it's making because that's that why wouldn't they think that that's what the the thing is doing it's making predictions and you need to try and figure out ways to subvert those predictions and it's like what does that even mean to subvert those predictions you need to behave in a way that is so fundamentally different from the way that you normally act that they actually they go the opposite way don't they because doesn't need to say if you want to beat it you have to start thinking like it which i would have thought is kind of the opposite of the thing you want to do because it is an incredibly predictable thing and it works on predictions so you need to be the opposite of it what like if anything wouldn't it be like you could you need to find ways to uh basically introduce chance the unpredictable uh yeah you need to introduce chance into your equation you could save a villain's life and she could randomly decide that she likes you after all that's introducing chance to the equation you can't predict that it's kind of because now i'm just thinking like what if you just like what if with some parameters you just use like some dice you just like had some dice and then you you did some random things based on what the guys told you to do like if like if he's just walking through and he's like i'm going to roll the dice and i have like an idea on my head of song that would make for a really fun film that would make well i think that there's a because there's a there's a book right called the dice man that's about a guy who just starts using dice to like make decisions throughout his life i think are we doing that the whole like well i mean well then again you could even do that right if you flip a coin even that like as as just a binary yeah choice that's against it to him like all of these things would just introduce it unpredictable just think it's you know it's like chaos theory right try to find ways to it's like joker said introduce a little anarchy and so that you know just fuck around like that that seems like a way that you could try to beat the system if you could have a scene like they're running running away from accidents like there's two hallways flip the fucking coin go go go left and then it's like oh god we got three we'll go with it just you know pick a random like you could have comedy and drama mixed in but then you have like serious ones where you're about to get into a fight with gabriel and it's like what weapon do you use and he actually has to just roll the fucking dice and if it ends up with like you know one is knife two is gun three is rifle that sort of thing and it rolls a one and you're just like all right you're just you're basing off entirely a chance to run away with it we actually tried to talk about this with the task master we brought it up when we were talking about black widow it's how we did that theoretical movie that will never happen because they didn't have the balls which is the black widow prequel movie with hawkeye and then task master is just the most scenario they have to defeat in that film not even kill bring him back it would be fun but the he's dominating against hawkeye he's dominating against black widow but they've gotten to know each other so well in their aims to kill each other that they can actually reflect each other's fighting styles and then they start switching in the middle of the fight continuously and task master can't account for is too confusing and then they fuck him up that would be fun this is the juice this is the this is the storytelling juice that you're looking for right like this is you you've set up a scenario now have now get creative with it fight have fun with it experiment it just seems like there's so many missed opportunities with this premise because even though the because the entity as a premise is really hard to account for but if you accounted for it you can end up with something awesome as a story what does it look like when you need human beings to subvert something that relies on human predictability is like well i don't know find ways to be unpredictable find creative ways to be unpredictable platoon just said they do the complete fucking opposite it's like luth is like we need to start thinking carefully it's like why wouldn't that be the most predictable thing yeah it's like it seems like what you need to do it's like i think you said a platoon right why would you say we need to think like it does no you need to think in a way that it looks like a clown yeah pretty much you need to think like a crazy man you need to be more unpredictable and it would just be so much fun to have like several scenarios where there's an easy obvious option and then they roll the dice and they're like oh shit we gotta i gotta come in through the roof now you're like just do it yeah exactly just do it yeah and that and that's cool right because it means that in order for them to win they have to get really uncomfortable they need to like embrace uncertainty that would agree that they're not used to and it wouldn't that be wasted because yes this this conversation start and end is the entity could be everywhere know everything it also might not be well we don't know what's real but we also don't know that things are not real it's like well should we all leave no because that might be what the entity wants all right okay let's go together likely would have they don't make a plan they talk about it but they don't make any plans to subvert the AI at all they just don't okay move on uh yeah they say that if the key grants control of the entity if that's what it does Gabriel is the last person who should have it because he's a big meanie so um i mean it seems at this point he's gone beyond being a man he seems like he's more he's like you know i mean throughout the film i was actually genuinely wondering it's like are you like a robot i thought they might reveal he's a terminator of some kind yeah and and i think for a while i was like no come on not permission impossible no but then it's like yeah but even the entity is kind of like beyond the scope of what they typically do in these films yeah in terms of like science fiction so yeah and he was in that weird coffin i don't know this is the robo coffin uh we'll see what that is at some point so then uh yeah then they're like all right let's do this and then there's this moment where they we go to the rooftop and Ethan and Ilsa are there and she's like i've never been here before he's like i haven't either and then they smile at each other and it's like i got a little concerned all this people sauce on that one all right wait hold on nah this has only been in the film for like three minutes so yeah going on um so yeah uh we're at the party it starts up and immediately uh you see the imagery of the eye and so i don't know if they wanted that to be a surprise for the audience but i mean if it wasn't a surprise paying any basic attention you should be like okay that's the entity yeah you see it with this big eye graphic no look at me everybody you remember this this all gets fucked up again so grace has been hired by the white widow to deliver the key and get paid grace is here to deliver but gabriel heads are off and basically tries to get it to give the key to him when he is waiting to be operated as through the broker that is the white widow to get his key yeah why are you fucking all of this up why don't you do that yeah why did it oh my god why did he do that and then he says i'm not here for the key let me tell you a story how your story ends let me buy you a drink and maybe we can change it like what is this even is like accepting that this is the thing he chooses to do which he shouldn't because it's stupid but let's assume that this is the kind of tactic he wants to pull you can find a way of of justifying that he already knows the broker has one half of the key right so that's accounted for you can kill her at some point in the future whatever get the key but if he's going to try and subvert captain karta i keep getting a bloody name grace that's the one if you're going to try and subvert her why haven't you done this already because you already know all of this stuff and you've had plenty of opportunities to capture her and do it already and then you could have got the key from her way before now you could have maybe staged another meet with the broker you could have got the key a different way all of this could have been done at any other time in the film and it's not been done because they just didn't think of that yet so it's always that he's planting the idea of not trusting ethan right well it backfires completely and then do you say like ah but that was the intention i mean how many times i'm gonna say that was the intention before you consider the more plausible option which is that they can't i just can't because of how this story ends he's screaming ethan to the camera no but the entity with his floppy eye has gone good good yes actually i wanted you to scream ethan so unless it's all a bit to trick ethan into going to the entity and at the end of part two the entity is like the emperor and he tries to convert ethan to the dark side and he will be the new apprentice well then when he says i'll never join you he starts shitting electricity out of the motherboard yeah he just snaps ethan don't you see you don't want anyone to die and that's what i offer yabriel is looking back and forth between ethan and the mother board no ethan though Gabriel is ethans dad it's actually a big reveal for the second film oh wow i can believe it there's a timeline yeah so ethans going there you find out if he can get access to the information regarding what the key does whether or not they'll be able to get the key off grace get grace i'll get the other half of the key this is all up in the air they don't know yet so ethan's going in as ethan to do that why is ilsa going in with him as ilsa why i don't know it literally only ends up as leverage bad leverage for the bad guy so why not go in as a masked person the films keep forgetting the masks are like so really amazing if she went in undercover she could then subvert anything that they try to do at any point instead she just becomes a target and she has to get out yeah that's so annoying and the security cameras above the door and they're really obvious and yeah they get caught straight away disguised yeah what was the plan just walk in and yeah that was it and hope it was literally that and it sucks they usually plan out everything welfare ahead and then things go wrong and they have to react that's the way the mission well films usually remember remember how in mission impossible one how much time is spent on the plan uh just to get into the uh into the that party get into the security area like how much effort was put into a relatively like compared to the crazy stakes in these films like a relatively like normal sort of situation for spies and this is it's good to see that planning and and those conversations yeah that's like fun that's a lot of the fun is seeing these little plans get you know enacted and stuff in situations that i can actually sort of understand and have really sort of almost relate not like relatable stakes but like believable stakes stakes that aren't absurd well oh i thought like there's so many options in terms of plans is there even a point going through them or should we just acknowledge the fact that they didn't give a fuck like whatever because the fact is they could try they're still using their digital tech could they hack into the the room did they just send Ethan in and get him to put trackers on people or to listen into conversations to do anything to figure out anything because they don't even find out the widow has the key until they're in there right and it's like maybe you could have found a different way to get access to information like that anything subversive and spy like your spy movie but okay do it um he starts talking to grace and he says you're not unique there was a woman 30 years ago her name was Marie the first of many women who i think it was Maria or Maria i can't remember actually but first of many women who trusted our friend and had something he wanted women in over their heads or so he tells them then Grace is like what happened to her he says same thing that happens to all the women he uses same thing for anyone who touches that key he doesn't care whether people live or die he only cares about his objective the only thing standing in his way is you it's such a like what the fuck is going on like i get could be lying but like why is he trying this avenue it's so absurd you like why is he trying to offer the his angles better when all he's done is kill loads of people and try to fuck her up the whole movie like it's one of those weird moments where it's just like yeah i guess you're trying to convince me not to trust Ethan a man who has actually uh tried to help her several times yeah quite a bit yeah and then on a meta level it's like did you want us to believe this even vaguely and unfortunately it's something that Ethan begins to think about all the women that have died as a result of him um i kind of want to just jump ahead to that quick moment because it isolation is connected to this Ethan does have a have a brief moment when he's thinking about the mission and it flashes on screen lady from 30 years ago we know nothing about someone else we'll get to that in a minute and uh then uh Grace because he's worried about what'll happen to her this film basically arguing that uh Ethan does actually think that he gets women killed by bringing them in into like the IMF or missions and stuff and it's like wow first of all not true second you didn't mention the girl from the second or the third movie you didn't you didn't throw in the wife i know that she didn't die even a universe they're afraid to reference the second movie is having him he thought he watched his wife die as a result of being connected to him that was a huge event in the third movie then there's the girl Kerry Russell who did die and then there's the one from Mission Impossible 2 that nearly died from like a blood cancer that he brought her in to deal with but none of them get a get a little little mention there bit lame the only ones that are shown are all from this movie kind of strange oh well um and then uh uh he says nothing anyone says is true and his promise is to protect you aren't true either so um i guess yeah he's just trying to make Ethan seem untrustworthy from Grace's POV it does absolutely nothing to affect that though either he failed or it was always meant to have the reverse effect because 5D chess is being played all right uh and then again like i've been trying to highlight this because man i don't know what happened with the dialogue in this film and some people have been saying that all Mission Impossible films have bad dialogue no wrong it might be true that there may be a bad piece of dialogue in all of the films but or a lot of yeah if he there's plenty of yeah there's going to be plenty of bad dialogue and like the franchise but there's also plenty of good dialogue in the franchise well yeah and just this one is particularly bad um Gabriel looks at Ethan says ah it's been a long time Ethan that Ethan goes you should have killed me when you had the chance oh i haven't heard that in a million movies before not only is that one of the most generic lines ever what are you talking about Ethan i don't even know what you're talking about there was a time where he could have killed you i guess you know like that doesn't work for us we're just like oh sure that went fine and it's it is absolutely from the book of i have no dialogue for my character what should i have them say and it's like this this will work i think they do they slightly top it though in terms of cringe dialogue in the same scene when the reveal that the um the entity is is present so like the interested party arranged this party in fact you could say this party is the interested party that is probably the worst line in the movie because they say party like four times they're very proud of themselves we're gonna have a party um so then Grace does a sort of signal with with her eyes to Ethan and uh at the time i had no idea what she wanted him to do depends on Ethan detected entirely what she wanted him to do he needs to bump into one of the guards to then prompt the guards to attack him so then it gives her an excuse to say no and then that will prompt the white widow's brother to grab her so that then she can put pocket the key she currently has into his pocket for safekeeping that's what she signaled by looking with her eyes that whole thing i i i didn't grasp that at all but Ethan did apparently he's a clever guy i guess he knew what she meant but just to be clear the stakes of this exchange are such that i'm not sure this is the kind of thing you want to leave up to the interpretation of a glance but you know spy i am p when she does that i was like why aren't you just giving the key to the white widow she hired you you want money does that change now what's going on what is i mean i don't know evil man was kind of like evil man and white widow aren't on the same team as far as she knows yeah as far as yeah yeah yeah actually she's only here for money right completely you still miss miss i want money person so what's going on why is she doing that i don't know she should be when she sees the white widow and the white widow says of course i hired you i hired you personally she'd be like oh fucking great here's the key why am i money now i should go i want out of this crazy nightmare um yeah and so the white widow says uh as i have to remind you i'm the broker i connect a buyer and seller for money and sometimes information i just want everyone to be happy although it was interesting because uh especially after rewatching fallout does uh ethan hunt remember that she's got a direct connection with the cia and she informs for them well yeah that's what he was told that but like and that doesn't that does come up in this movie but not until way later i was really surprised that he didn't seem to mention any of that when the cia currently want him that seems like something you should probably keep in mind but oh well that's a case of this movie forgetting the history of the movie before like one movie ago like i said they remember it later because when the kitchen had his conversation happens he mentions it but it's like why was why wasn't ethan mentioning any of this why was there are no plans yeah the movie was so much exposition not much planning uh so yeah she says the world is changing truth is vanishing and war is coming it's like okay uh yeah and then she says the ilsa says whoever you give the key to will be forever in your debt but whoever you don't will forever be your enemy but it was like oh i like her i thought was weird because most of the time the i like them comments is usually from someone who's been in the show so to speak longer than the person they're saying it about sort of like reflect something of a of a preference for the audience like you know like we the references of like um or doing it with captain marvel on doing it with finn is the other examples in these but it's like hey white widow you haven't even been here anywhere as long as ilsa has it's like it's just so she should be saying she likes you but nobody should like the white widow because she's quite evil uh admits she's doing this to keep herself safe and to make money but um she's cool right what is that well it's yeah like okay so uh yeah they they uh they start trying to figure out who's working for who and who wants what and who has what and uh that's when the line comes in and uh i've got to make quotes now to make sure everyone understands how great this is they ask what the relationship is between white widow and gabriel she says gabriel represents another interested party in fact this party was arranged by that interesting party you could even say this party is that interested party that is the full bit it just because the ai has that weird little audio cubes way to go and so you know it's there as though you didn't already know it was there because you had already seen the blue eye but anyway like people weren't paying attention i guess it was just it's just hard to listen to some of these lines like do you really think that was a great line he's okay that's fine and uh if that wasn't bad enough it tops off with it cut into her saying and so the plot thickens what the hell's going on why um and then she says so do i hand the key to gabriel or to hunt and it's just like i mean with everything we know about white widow i don't know why she would hand it to ethan i don't know there's just no way uh gabriel's got all of the leverage it works for horrifying monsters that can kill everybody um i don't even know what what would the motive be to give it to ethan i think he presents it as i can kill the entity if you give me the key so that's that's the choice when they finally get to it the sales pitch he makes is that i think it's in this very moment he makes the realization himself when he starts saying that gabriel's clearly afraid because he thinks he could lose and that would be innately unbelievable because nothing about this setup would suggest that except for the fact that gabriel overacts and you can tell that he actually is afraid because he does the whole trembling stare thing um so you know and presumably also the white widow knows that he's genuine the afraid which then means that ethan has a point which should sway her in his direction except that that isn't where they go with that because i don't actually remember why um but as for killing it yeah his promise is to kill the entity and therefore ensure that nothing else will happen which does that i i guess that would present as a reasonably attractive offer because you're ending the prospect of world domination and if the entity is dead then it can't take vengeance on her anyway for killing it because it is dead i mean the problem of course is the feasibility of it it would be like if you know aliens were starting to blow up earth and i'm like you should pick me because i can destroy them it's like how i'm back and there's no reasonable how on ethan's part he's just saying it remember he doesn't even know where the key goes like give me the key and i'll kill it and it's like but how and so of course she's not going to side with him he has nothing but uh he does condemn her for not doing so which i thought was kind of funny because she says to him like i'd be just gonna kill me if i don't so i don't know i just don't know what ethan expected you've got nothing meanwhile gabriel says i represent the power of thousands of quadrillions of computations per millisecond subtly manipulating the minds of billions passing every possible cause and effect every scenario however implausible of the next possible basically all actions um and he says that with just a few changes to the present the future is assured for all but assured i think he's um and he says that all of this is that i will get the key and it'll happen on the orient express and it's like that that is actually true the i guess the machine knew that did all the predictions and he says it's going to be laid at my feet which is also true that does happen too and he says i'll get the key provided either grace or ilsa die tonight which is uh at which point as soon as he said that i got very worried yeah because it kind of feels like uh i don't know what i'm actually just there that i got worried is wrong i knew what was going to happen like at that point it's like well there's just a couple of facts to consider grace has been heavily featured in this film uh this is her uh in the trailers she's got stuff on the train uh and even without the trailers it's just like there's no way that it's an end right for for her at this point conversely we've had very little ilsa in this movie and of the little we've had it's been in the opening scene when uh she tackles ethan and he's like it's me it's me they both share a longing look and then when she's back they both share a look and a smile the whole pathos the pathos scene on the balcony which is only ever done if you're about to kill that person if you don't put that in a film and then it all points to ilsa dying and it's like but that it's not going to happen right that'd be weird like that would be no come on was it it was sort of presented as almost a choice that he would have to make and but if he had agency if he had agency in that choice i don't really understand why grace is the one spoiler alert who lives because um they've met each other a few times she's kind of tried to fuck him over every single time by contrast ilsa is someone with whom he has a long established relationship and you know they're actually friends and they've worked together and they have a history if you were given a choice between random new girl who okay fine she's in an unfortunate situation but i don't know about well and she's tried to maybe kill me once or twice versus someone i actually know and like there's only really one choice to make there isn't there um sorry grace but that never happened that's the problem it's true never got to that point every game close never even came close like the idea that he had to decide or choose or whatever and that just doesn't like ever manifest like that's a strange thing that's kind of got me in for a loop and i'm confused and i'm wondering what you meant by that and gabriel says that one of them has to die and then the key will be his and then he'll be gone like smoke in a hurricane but only after someone you care about dies it is written that's pretty cringe too but it's okay we'll move on then yeah talkers like he's afraid it's afraid somehow it knows we're close why else would he be here help me complete the key and i will kill it which i get that just to me was like cope you don't even know what the key where it goes what it does like and white widow should know that does yeah i can't not anything from them from her perspective wouldn't it make most sense given that she has armed guards with her she has a position of authority she has one half of the key already and this this club is well it's been arranged by the entity but she seems to have most of the heavies there if she wanted maximum leverage and protection against the entity why doesn't she kill gabriel or have him shot or her people shoot at him gabriel says the thing about it knows every secret you've ever had a lot of help him and you'll die too and it's a pretty credible threat if you i'm not talking about helping him i'm talking about helping herself like kill him get like find the other half of the key whatever lock the place down you've got your armed guards around you you can do that and then you've got one to one communication with the entity basically saying i've got the thing you want i will give it to you if you leave me alone there's this viability to that um i think the film wants us to think she's too terrified to fight the entity she wants to submit basically and so because she says that she feels like her life is on the line i think that's what it was supposed to buy is that she just wants to get out at this point she's in over ahead um and you know if you take the entity for what it's supposed to be it is unstoppable and terrifying there's no way to beat something like that but they will beat it and it'll probably be a lot easier than you expect um but that's for the second film oh boy but i will say i don't really know why gabriel is here uh by the time we hit the end of the scene he's come to say one of you two will die and then he leaves about it um yeah because the computer would have known whether or not they would have given him the key or anything right on the spot and the widow doesn't give him the key she ends up selling it to uh petridge yeah so i suppose that doesn't i that was part of the plan also the only thing you can actually justify this one with is he needed to go there and say that in order to facilitate everything else to happen yes cause and effect brains work in the way that they do that's all i got but um obviously the reason we do it for the film is to have that moment where you know the villain and the hero get to be like hey fuck you and he's like hey fuck you now fuck are you the one thing that was getting me a bit lost at this point in the film is how come nobody's acknowledging that like if gabriel gets it it is the end of the world like there's no reason to assume otherwise the a i will take over everything who lives to the references as opposed to now when it's only almost taken over absolutely everything and made you slaves to his preference it's already happened i don't understand what the extra threat is that's true are all the goons okay with this do they have any like sense of agency they might be androids you don't know a job's a job but like i don't want that world that sounds bad they're all faces robots the bureaucrats affect them um so anyway we're moving on i guess and so uh race this part's kind of strange the the the goons and girl gabriel leave and his goons i guess but the widow's goons are still here and it the implication is that she's got like grace ilser and uh ethan sort of under arrest or they're captives now not really sure and there's no dialogue to necessarily reflect it um and so the the guards like they all sort of with nods agree to attack the guards at the same time uh race does sleight of hand in front of widow's brother he gets so confused doesn't grab it but then ethan like hits him and so grace runs off with the key ilsa's already ran off with her dick that she has you know uh for you watch the two other movies with ilsa you remember his stick his stick sword that because ilsa never really used any guns he wasn't a fan no no i didn't like those made sure to bring a stick that's gonna worth mentioning um again so uh she gets out and in order for the next thing to happen we need there to be a lot of space between grace and ethan needs to catch up with her to get the key back so she's ran off and it's like run right after her but no he stands up he looks like to the left he sees some goons walks over looks to the right he's some more goons looks like the middle is my extra goons and they'll start heading up the stairs he like looks around he's like oh jeez and he looks at white widow and she looks at him as like a what are you gonna do bud and then he jumps off and like rolls then runs out in a different direction and that's why he's so far behind when he could have just immediately ran after her i was always an option he just sort of does a big look around because he has to because he has to get separated for for the rest of the scene to happen there's a lot of that for what's about to happen because grace is just running right but the entity knows exactly where she'll go because it knows everything about it yeah just it'll know yep is there another bit during that chase sequence where she tries to leave him in significantly more trouble than he arrived in he helps her with two guards and then she pushes one guard on to him to leave yeah that was it kind of annoying but like i said he's she just doesn't trust anybody so it takes a lot to gain her over to his side i guess yeah she gets away pretty fast and so it creates a big gap again uh then you know it uh hunts that's asking good old luther and benji where she is using their satellites with their digital tech they they've gone over how this is completely unreliable and they're using it anyway and then uh he goes to tell him and he gets scrambled like oh no the entity has disabled the satellite like what what's the entity doing man like just disable their fucking computers well let's be frank the satellites would be under its control on day one that's one of the first things it would have done is there's this cringy ass line where luther says oh god it's taking control of the satellites faster than i can hack into them like obviously no it's had full control of all satellites since it went live like what do you mean it's it's don't get it so you're a person who has to type on a keyboard and it's so crazy like you just recently had the conversation yeah and and as a result of this they eventually go analog with communications had they done that when they figured out that they needed to do that what's about to happen wouldn't happen exactly and what's about to happen is significant rather large you might say but yeah annoying um and they eventually realize that banji is giving orders to hunt as to where to go but it ain't banji it's the it's the entity faking his voice i don't know it's an ai voice changer oh no but remember it's it's does it perfectly until it reveals itself and then it goes glitchy and computery and flimpy which would work if you had established that this thing is so advanced that has a literal personality it's an actual agent that has desires and and and wants to fuck around which would be cool but they haven't done that well the thing rags is the steel man argument is yeah they have oh yeah that wrong it's like no you toyed with the idea of that idea but you haven't they haven't done anything wait so if the entity is looking for which satellite is being used if the entity took control of all satellites the world and business as we know it would halt it's implied in the movie that it didn't no no no no no you could just have to control of them but allow them to yeah it's in all of them it's in everything if it needs to do any particular thing at any particular time like changing ones to zeros in any particular way it can however it'll leave everything run you know that the average like digital system somewhere in some shop isn't getting fucked with nor any of the satellites whenever luther is trying this is what i meant luther's trying to access satellites okay you could knock off all the satellites he might try and use all you just fucking disable his fucking laptop all you have to do why are you fucking around with that and then of course even if you were you could do it way fast that why is luther surprised that the almighty ai that does quadrillions of calculations per millisecond is able to prevent him from hacking the satellites but well it knocks them off before you can hack them duh and he's one fact ai voices did not exist when they wrote this these ai things appeared after they started the movie but before it ended so just use your imagination we had text to speech it's like like come on you don't think it can do a good text to speech what is interesting i think i think the point they're making is oh can how can you blame the filmmakers for not thinking that ai could do like voices they do it in the movies oh no i or rather rather more so that the point is yeah how can you blame ethan for not realizing that that was a possibility they do it in the movies and even if that's right they do it wait just right so i need to make sure everyone does the stats they copy and paste people's voices in as early as mission impossible one yeah that's right they've been using the crazy voice oh that's not a voice ai that's voice synthesis it doesn't matter because that could be the same thing it just means they hack in so okay let me explain if it's so hard to understand when did oblivion come out it gabriel all right gabriel puts on the voice changer and then the entity plugs him into ethan's comms there you go that was always a possibility and ethan and crew never considered it and even if it wasn't even if it had never been seen before the fact that it can in real time remove people from video and you've seen that how was it not actually like a reasonable inference that it could imitate people like you don't think it can change like waveforms if it can alter pixels it this is like a god machine the idea that oh well they made this film before like ai voices was like a thing that people were talking about like mainstream circles also by the way that like even wouldn't know about it the entity is capable of things that are beyond what current technology is capable of in our world like i mean the fact that it exists means it's beyond what we can do now there's no such thing in real life right now and this is the mission impossible universe with all sorts of crazy tech there's no excuse so yeah exactly and they have the technology as a virtue they just don't incorporate it yet for some reason they should have had it from the get go but they don't remember this was after her it also already pointed out that she had spoke what the yeah whatever yeah this was after she already pointed out that the ai was probably already yeah exactly so what the fuck are you talking about when it gets even funnier because benji and luther are like oh my god and they both pick up their laptops and throw them to the ground what do you guys do it thanks for catching up tech experts it's like that's like the retards view of how to get it out like oh no destroy the laptop by throwing it to the rest like hundreds of fine you even acknowledge that later what do you think that achieves like it it doesn't in fact it's probably more beneficial to actually keep them open you might be able to see something in terms of what the the entity might be or might not be doing you like throwing grounds it's too late guys it doesn't need your laptops to trick ethan you know what i mean like them not having that makes no difference at all and it doesn't destroy it anyway the entity's still in those laptops mine like it's all there he's still there whited you just you almost want it to be like why did you throw me on the floor like wow it just types out in text on the screen ouch um so that this was funny uh benji starts running away sort of and then uh luther's like what are you doing he's like listen try to re-establish comms with ethan while i meet up with him i was like re-establish comms you can't that's the whole reason you're leaving what do you mean try to re-establish comms this little point it's the entity stopping you i thought we it's fine we'll just move so grace running and running and running she sees facing back like he's facing is he's facing forward she sees his back gabriel at a bridge and she decides to try and kill him why so i don't know i'll what i'll do is i'll tell you guys what i would do if i was in grace's situation if i was running running i saw on the bridge there's gabriel and he's waiting there and he's not even looking at me he's not he's not even facing the that way he's facing the other way what i would do is i would turn around and i would leave why would you do that i don't want to get fucking killed why would you assume you'd die oh well i assume he's waiting for me and he has like the machine god on his side and he said that i might have to die tonight specifically and here we are and he's waiting for me what if you're a career thief though oh then i would steal this fucking opportunity to leave and i'd turn around and i'd go i'd be gone so yeah that i don't know what else there is to say about this it's dumb as fuck grace tries to kill him she has all the opportunities to run away but for some reason she decides i'm gonna boss fight him i'm gonna attack him because i have my knife probably the most out of that thing she does in the whole movie crazy super duper spine man and she's thief he runs she often runs she's talking about how scared she is we see her terrified nearly scenarios why the fuck is she now going rambo on him what is that this is the one fight this movie you do not take no because like you would just assume he'd have a gun right you would just you you know you have a knife you would assume he has a firearm he's crazy though so he wants to have a fight and see the entity had to bake that into his plans because he's such a crazy guy hence why one of them has to die yeah then they start fighting it all makes meanwhile ethan is going through an alleyway and he's like now where do i go and then benji's like it doesn't matter because you are done like oh he's not though because the entity didn't predict that ethan could beat two people with two sticks for some reason yeah um yeah uh so he's blocked on either end by one goon and one mantis uh they both try to beat him up they fail miserably and he has a chance to kill mantis he decides to spare her which is an interesting choice um i think it's perfectly in character for him it's just that i would be curious to hear his point of view on it i'd be like this lady has done nothing but tried to murder you and she's killed many innocent people already um i don't know so much as if he knows how useful she's going to be later like like like i said i feel like it's in character it's just that i kind of want an acknowledgement that it's like you understand by letting it go what's going to happen next right but maybe he knows what will actually happen next maybe maybe grace is losing he's losing the fight she even has a chance to run away at one point again but she doesn't take it she keeps trying to fight him and she gets beaten up and punched and thrown to the edge of the bridge oh she's in trouble and he picks up the the the i think it's like a one of the spring knives i forget what they're called switchblade switchblades is that are they all called switchblades or is it uh like particular ones uh as far as i know they're all uh switchblades some uh it swings out and some you know it just sticks out the top but i think they're all called switchblades as far as i know i guess i'm not certain but that's what i think well he's got it and he's walking toward her it is gonna end it's all gonna be over then i can't wait until this knife fight with this guy stops and he starts to turn he realizes he also is standing there like two meters away behind him looking at him he's like oh i hoped it would be you and yes uh at this point i was like he's dead like there's no way but it makes no sense this doesn't make any sense why is this happening and uh you what it's like you could have probably stabbed him in the back there actually and it might be worthwhile considering the scenario and how like you don't i don't think we're worried about honor at this point you know or to shoot him why would you what what how do you how do you shoot so what do you mean aren't it anyway she has she has the advantage of a quite a long sword versus quite a short knife she has no business getting close enough to be disarmed by him i just wanted to clarify and if you pan out during the fight scene there are plenty of opportunities where she all she has to do is lunge forward and he's dead but um she doesn't it's a really lame fight watching him do the choreography on the bridge is like oh fuck off he's dead she would just stab him you mentioned shoot what is that what are you referencing shooting is it's this thing where using a weapon known as a gun um you fire a projectile uh and then that projectile hits a person it's it's sort of an arrow yeah it's like a sophisticated arrow except you can shoot a lot of them we haven't seen also with a bow and arrow before i don't know why you'd assume she's having and i mean i just i'm just trying to understand what fringy means so yeah guns guns are relatively new creation i was gonna say this film is about knives and swords so like i used to like arrows or darts maybe like a crossbow this was set in like we said 2022 23 something like that so this gun you're talking about is that 23 was relatively new yeah i don't know if guns existed when they started shooting this film okay because yeah that makes more sense with a little sophisticated why yeah it's it's it's it's it's a thing it's like yeah it's a little it's a little mechanical like contraption you pointed at something and when you you pull this thing called a trigger uh projectile a little metal ball well they used to be metal balls now they're more like metal another shape and then they they fly and they it's it's a what it's you engage people at range essentially is what it's what oh my goodness well that sounds really useful someone has like a knife or something you you want to get closer some with a knife well yeah i mean you might i imagine i imagine it's likely that there will be a euphemism about bringing a knife to a gunfight at some point in the future not right now but i have to like indicate how foolish it would be for you to go in unprepared you know misunderstood a little bit you'd have to throw a metal ball pretty hard for that to hurt anybody you would but these metal balls the the mechanical device to project them very quickly they go like a cannonball they go it's like a cannonball but but like faster it's so fast that it's it's basically impossible to react to it as a human being oh my goodness well okay i know it's gonna change the game it's gonna change like everything you can like stab people at a long distance with these essentially is what you're doing right yeah some well yeah some like that i want to stab someone over there yeah that's right i know i want to yeah and i want to do it multiple times fairly quickly as well you can throw them one like a hard counter right knives yeah like in fact there there are some that you you can do it 18 times before you need to reload like the crossbow you know like 18 times or 30 times like van helsing whoa yeah like that wow but also but to be fair ilsa hasn't seen van helsing so she would like a really slow gun or something um what what i mean i i guess you could imagine it as like a really small gun that you like swing around right like if you could hit like a gun it's like yeah if we reverse engineer it a long sword i it's a little bit too confusing honestly it's a sort of piece it's like a long bullet that you hold yeah that's right a long bullet that you hold and you run up to somebody and you make that long bullet at them yeah okay well that's that's kind of what she chose to do was run up with a long bullet and swing the thing about she's still lost to the uh we only really know that she's extremely highly trained and specialized yes and one of the hyper familiarity with close combat apparently a sword and plenty of like pistols rifles all kinds of things you'd expect as well as having access to all of those things i um so uh hmm uh this didn't make any sense at all and this was probably her sixth minute on screen in this film if that maybe and then and then she dies uh yeah she dies Ilse Farris arguably the second most developed character behind Ethan himself and this is her end it's uh incredibly frustrating it was the first thing me and freaking talked about after seeing the film who was the first yeah we really wanted to discuss because both of us were relatively familiar with Mission Impossible and Ilse Farris is cool yeah she is and now she's gone and it is lame it's lame it is it's lame she deserved better than this like as a character she she deserved like more she deserved more story she deserved more respect some people are suggesting like is it possible she faked it is it possible she's not actually dead it's like i think that the film considers her death as part of the story it's meaningful like it adds i think so i think so like that's what they want well because they do give maybe like a minute of time essentially for the characters to you know like a grieve essentially you got like a minute of time in the story of like okay we're focusing on Ilse now it's now we're done all right back to back to the plot yes it's a catalyst event i mean she has been reduced essentially to a tool to establish the conversion of like latest bird of the week to have more of a role in the plot so she's been kind of reduced to that which is a bit miserable sad yeah this is the closest i'll come to seeing a character was fridged in a derogatory way yeah actually i mean kind well the true problem is more so that like he dies in a nonsensical way like that's that's my primary issue yeah that disrespectful way to be honest with you but like that's less the issue seems like it's uh well we're focusing on grace now so who cares about Ilse yeah it's kind of how it feels like grace is the new interesting person who cares about Ilse and we need we need some death for our like little for our second act low point in our big climactic you know like finale of this whole series help people understand because i feel like some people a lot of people will not remember the story of the previous films we meet her as a potential syndicate like where she's working for salomon lane but she releases ethan hunt when he's captured and she eventually explains that she worked for mi6 they sent her an undercover to work for salomon for two years and she's desperately trying to get out but that'll involve bringing down the syndicate or at least proving its existence that's what uh rogue nation's about and by the end of the film they capture salomon together proof the syndicate blah blah blah victory and uh it's her chance to get out in fallout she's back in and we're asked to figure out why and it's because the mi6 won't let her sort of regain her position and entry and stuff until she kills salomon specifically because they believe she might be a double agent still they're not sure especially considering that whole film has got shit tons of double agents in it it's kind of what the film's about that's what the syndicate's about um the x agents and double agents and so uh she's like a um uh a shadow to ethan that she's willing to do all these missions for all these different reasons that uh she's trying to get her life back while he's the kind of person that gave up everything to do with his life in order to facilitate the mission and so in the film in fallouts fallout is really fucking good a lot of scenes are spent with her watching ethan make different choices and realizing that he wants to be more like him eventually she's pretty much inspired by him by the end of the film and end of the film kind of implies that she's gonna be the the not only a girl of interest in his life possibly romantically but that she's gonna be a part of the team now like they've come because basically she's a she's an almost antagonist in the film because they need salomon alive to deal give him a perform a deal for him for the plutonium but she's trying to kill him for her own reasons they bring her in she's joining the team there's several good fight scenes great action scenes conflict with ethan until it all gets resolved and they're happy at the end and it's really nice ending um and and this film begins with and there's off on her own doing some crazy adventure we see her for like five seconds but then she's dead because grace is the focus now grace has replaced her and it sucks because i really like grace but what are you doing you've destroyed one of your greatest characters to bring in a new one it's strangely placed as well because there is so much of the film left they do basically have to sidle past the the morning period as quickly as possible in order to play out a huge amount of story without her being present and without many references even back to the moment of her death and so you don't really get the sense that this is any kind of finality i think if you're gonna do this you have to do this toward the end of the film if not right at the end of the film like a second yeah and it's a noble sacrifice that you can you can keep the choice dynamic there if you want to but you can build her up more or bring her back into the plot more you can continue building grace up so it doesn't feel like she's just being like foisted into the scene in place of an established character and then toward the end if not right at the end she gives up her life someone does die and it has that sense of finality to it it's a more serious moment because you don't then have to run off on billions of different chase sequences and fights on trains and parachuting off cliffs and all the rest of that stuff as though nothing had really happened well and imagine she isn't dead some people say like she'll be back in part two it's like could you have fucking imagined faking her death twice and bringing her back again no one's ever truly gone wolf i really hate this aspect too of like the sacrifice that oh she died so that you could live it's like no you're both stupid none of you should have been should have happened it never needed scenario should not have happened both of you should have been smart enough and if not smart enough just not wanting to die enough to just leave why would you get into this unnecessary fight with this guy when he specifically said that one of you would die tonight and she knows what the dangerous he is he's he's horrifying those stories about him like this is it makes it makes it really difficult for me to sympathize with this idea that grace is alive because elsa died and like i just no i saw the movie i was there they could have just left they could have turned around and left it was weird as well as that uh it's like a sword okay yeah we're doing a sword fight on a bridge now i guess yeah you just like so she had all that time between leaving that place and having access to presumably like you know the luther and benji in the car the van whatever or wherever she would have stored something it's like you couldn't grab a gun when she believes people are chasing her to kill her really but she could go get a sword well apparently she had the sword with her the whole time it's that stick i right okay yeah even then even then i don't i don't get why she couldn't get a fucking gun it's insane and everyone's got guns in these movies all the time and then you know just furthermore she should have won that fight oh yeah that's yeah she has the sword she has a sword you gotta i think it's safe to assume that they're both about as good as each other because she's like really great fighter as well and she's got a sword and he's got a knife so he's so fucked over i imagine shad lost his mind watching that shit well i mean i mean like it would it's just it just the parts don't work in a machine that ultimately shouldn't have been built and upset me because ilsa deserves better yes yep he's really awesome and they didn't respect what they had um it makes you look like an idiot and incompetent and then what does it do for the story it makes ethan think man doesn't it suck that i get women killed which is fucking weird yeah uh yeah died for no good reason and she had barely any screen time and it's so very clear that they didn't want her in this movie it's weird they just used her as a check to cash for something else and i'm like oh okay i don't understand i don't get it what what happened was it that was did you want to have your what happened did they were they bought of her was rebecca Ferguson like was she making another movie or something at the time was she like busy with dune so they couldn't have her in this yeah what happened i don't know i don't know i don't get it what happened the story doesn't explain it so we have to assume this better shit going on so moving on i guess uh venice is lovely yeah how about julia so they have one half real key widow has the other half they want both and they want to sell it to whoever the buyer is that she's getting the courier for i guess and find out what the key does from that person that's the hope that's the plan now they know the white widow is doing a deal on the orient express tomorrow so their plan is to get grace in as the widow and wear a mask and ethans gonna go in with a mask pretending to be the bodyguard the brother they're gonna knock out the two real ones they're gonna combine their key with the widow's key and then sell that to whoever the buyer will turn out to be on the train and then presumably trace him follow him find out what the key does and how it works hopefully get the key back and go to wherever it does the thing and kill the entity that is the overall plan however there's a hitch being that the mask making machine shorts out after making one of the two masks that's just such horseshit because i don't think it's even implied that it was like fair enough if you can find some way of saying oh well the entity got into this is blew it up but i don't think that's in the film i think that's just head canon it's not even good enough why would the entity allow them to make one mask and if it if it knew that they were making that why wouldn't it do more to stop them i rags i'll see rags like if yeah no it couldn't have been it just was it fucked up that's got to be it because if the entity did it then why wouldn't he work harder to subvert them there we go prevent them from everything it does free is what it wants to do yeah cool yep yeah that's right yeah what i can't there's nothing it's impossible for there to be anything wrong with it that's the thing it predicted that if tom cruise didn't have a mask he'd have to parachute if and fly in through a window and knock out a guard and drop the key and it ends up at the feet of gabriel it's all part of the plan to then lose it to ethan again i think what they could have done to make this interesting instead of it just randomly breaking the mask maker right the mask machine is that in order to make a mask it has to connect to the face database of people right it has to connect to servers and stuff and so being rames and the simon peg they say all right ethan you've got the mask maker but once we but once we plug it in to make it work it has to connect to the database we're only going to be able to make one mask before the ai like stops us or shuts it down or we can't use it anymore so that means we can't make two masks we can only make one so one of you is going to have to go without a mask and then it's a bit in um in there's that episode of battle star galactica where they have to connect the network in order to come to what they're trying to do but as the network is connected they have like the visual representation of the silence hacking through the firewall and they have to get the job done before it gets through the final firewall and so that you have an equivalent mechanic the machine is on it's connected to the network but the entity is hacking through the defense systems really quickly and so it gets like it makes one and maybe gets halfway through making the second one and they have to shut it off because otherwise the entity has access to all the systems it already has access to i now realize that wouldn't work but you know something like that um i like your idea rags but if that was how it was in the film i would be like why is it letting them cook even the one mask the entity would be in the device maybe it takes maybe maybe ving rames and benji like we can work together to stall it for just a little bit um but once we connect it'll know and we can only get one mask worth out of it until um yeah but they say they can do something special because they're really talented mainframe yeah they're gonna hack the mainframe and then they're gonna hit the enter key and then they'll be in and they'll it'll be something special it'll be like you know we've been able to that's uh we can do this we can stall it for just a little bit just enough to download the data for one mask and then it'll be too late we only get one mask worth out of it instead of it just randomly breaking again yeah remember that random one yeah yeah it did uh so anyway the there's a thing from grace where she's trying to figure out what she's supposed to do now because he feels she owes them because ilsa died for her so she says like i'll uh i'll help you with this operation but then i'm out and ethan basically says uh you can't ever be out the entity will want you governments will want you you can't live your life basically anymore and there's some wonderful dialogue again where luther says if you leave your life won't be measured in years or even months and you know exactly what he's saying and then the camera pans over to benjy and he goes it will be measured in hours i was like that's what luther meant yeah i got it so it would be short it's wait it's fine um and then ethan says i swear to you that your life will always matter more to me than my own i quite like the line that yeah i like that yeah and then uh it gets boosted because response from her is you don't even know me and she starts tearing up and it's some just doing a good job in this film because she really is she the impression i get is the she's overwhelmed by how much these people are willing to do for her when she spent her whole life not trusting anybody because of how much everyone's an asshole basically so like oh my god i found people who aren't assholes that's amazing and then ethan says what difference does that make which yeah that's that's ethan he really care he just to make sure they're okay stuff um it's up for that exchange my bum is up so uh luther says i've modified our comms to be analog and immune to the entity and it makes you want to fucking kill yourself you're like why didn't you do this an hour ago when the movie started you do this on the miss me yeah when the movie started it's yes and then i thought it was this is one of those yeah he's like i'm gonna take my hard drive that i'm pretty sure the entities are i'm gonna go study it in my secluded basement to understand it and i just love the fact that he's like he won't see him again now he's gonna tear it up in part two with like i've got a solution on how to kill the entity like that's all that's gonna happen which is gonna be going for a while that he'll come back he's gonna yeah he's gonna turn up with something important that they will need the all the attack is still in this there's a good chance the entity's listening to him but even if it isn't it should have cameras street things to keep track of everybody recognize everybody luther's not put on a fucking mask because nobody does and if it like he says i need to go to a secluded area where no one can find me and i'm just like i feel like you're gonna trigger something that can make someone track you and at this point the entity should probably have goons ready to to follow any of them anyway it's called like worldwide capabilities i don't know no more you only there's only two left but he's gonna go do it and his basement is great so he does say though ethan what is your objective kill the entity what about killing gabriel because no we don't kill him because we need to know what it unlocks and then he says well hey think about it one way gabriel kills you the entity wins the other way you kill gabriel and the entity wins because then you've killed the only person that knows what those keys do and i was just thinking to myself like what we could have killed ethan a million times by now i thought the whole point was he was trying to keep him alive anyone was confused by this i thought that everybody's impression was that the the entity wanted to torment and that's why it hasn't worked very hard to kill him oh uh oh but then lucas like the entity clearly wants either you dead or gabriel dead or is the correct read meant to be that luther got this one wrong luther just doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about well the thing is i think the plot wants us to believe i think that because you know he's reminding ethan that he can't kill gabriel even though he really wants to presumably because you know gabriel has killed someone who really matters to him but for any of that to work then that requires that it didn't want to always kill him it does actually want him to to live i would yeah no he has to it has to want him to live otherwise he would already be dead it's so weird though because he's very explicit he's the machine worries that you could capture gabriel and get the answers you want uh it's relying on one of you two killing the other whichever one happens the entity wins and then tom cruise says i think you're right but then you'd have to conclude that when it set him up to have that fight with our mantis that it knew that he was going to win that fight that it was only meant to delay him but then it also means that the ai potentially didn't factor in that if uh ethan ethan would spare mantis and then everything that would stem from that either like it means that he would have gotten one wrong it'll factor some stuff in and know the future but sometimes it just doesn't and it fucks itself over completely what if mantis brought a gun exactly i guess it knew that she wouldn't it's like what if your point is just to delay ethan why would you burn paris for that or yeah why why would you do that because she's like she seems to be a really valuable asset for you you're only using her to delay ethan for a bit and then not understanding or factoring in really like the potential consequences of something that you know ethan might choose to do it's not exactly out of character of sparing her and then everything that stems from that it's it's bullshit and also i is this are um so i guess this is just we all know that gabriel knows the location of the sub why would gabriel know the location of the sub doesn't oh he just knows that it unlocks the sub yeah this is this is what gets confusing about this film we as team heroes assume the key will go into some kind of lock and it'll allow you to do something with the entity maybe control it maybe kill it that's what we want to do we want to kill it but we don't really know gabriel knows that key fits a lock that does let you control slash destroy it the chief of or the director of intelligence knows that that thing is in the savastopol and he knows where the savastopol is uh yeah because gabriel decides to kill him because he's the only person who knows that and i think the point there is to just make it so that no one can find the savastopol therefore ensuring the entity's safety which seems which seems like a crazy risky move right that the guy is like yeah i'm the only person who knows and he's using this as leverage but surely he'd be smart enough to know that yeah just you can't just kill me because if you kill me then everything then the information will get leaked or there's actually there's something that'll happen on my death or i have a lot of people here to guard me on this on this train and they'll kill you like you'd have a well he wouldn't just go purely by trust right the evil gabriel yeah he doesn't he's such an idiot in that scene because gabriel's like so you haven't told anyone else where that sub is you're the only one that knows and he goes yes and then gabriel kills him and i was just like why do you think he's asking you that it was like come on have you seen movies like he was he's supposed to know that he doesn't have to kill anyone else it's obvious come on yeah when the obvious answer is well yes and no you see if i don't get off this train if i don't leave this compartment my men will make sure that the world knows where the where the sub location is so either you deal with that or you talk to me he's got to meet with someone within x amount of time that if he you know if he doesn't then they'll release the information yeah if the train doesn't reach the destination or one of a million contingencies a a person of average intellect would be able to cook up and ready buddy rags like well but who is this guy it's like oh he's just you know the director of intelligence that's his actual role like the man's the man's role is a person who directs intelligence and he's an idiot everyone's an idiot yeah but still in the in the land of the blind like come on like you still even then you know the director of intelligence so they have to come with a new plan because the sheen broke everything is the same except Ethan will now get on to the train via uh he's gonna try and jump on when it turns a corner and goes slower on his little bike okay and as anyone would know if you're familiar with the marketing for this film that we haven't had the stunt yet the big stunt the big bike stunt so that's probably gonna be how he gets on the train maybe in fear it's even in the little intro quickly um and she says promise me you'll be on that train he said i promise now i have a question uh-oh very chunky question had he gotten the brother mask he would have gotten on the train with grace right that's the idea yes so she's getting on the train as grace and then putting on the mask right she wouldn't go on as Vanessa Kirby widow because he's already on so that would arouse like levels of suspicion i assume she's going as herself mm-hmm that's already pretty risky but that's actually not with my issue live oh oh we can if we just allow that that's a risky move but whatever she gets on she puts on the mask and stuff Tom Cruise gonna have to come in a crazy way just like by the way mantis comes in a crazy way she jumps off of like one of the some kind of stand thing on she's on a bridge and she jumped off the bridge why can't she go in normally because that wouldn't look as cool i actually think that is the correct answer because the entity could of course cover it digitally you know i don't know what that's about she could have just gone in normally Tom Cruise is there any reason why he can't get on the train normally um well he's a wanted man there's is relatively good reason that he shouldn't just turn up at his train station he might get spotted by anybody who's there and he might get spotted by cameras blah blah blah blah and he can't wear the mask so of course he's gonna have to do some elaborate stunt right there's no other thing he could do right mm is is one of them things that we know work but also things that we have seen work in mission impossible one and four specifically uh i mean when it's leaving just run on to it no no what what else god damn it we'll give you a clue just because the face machine broke does not stop him from doing some other things oh he could just do like more minimalist prosthetics it literally just wear a halloween mask he does this to fundamental but yes he could wear the classic makeup yeah they still have the normal makeup the more normal makeup that just makes him look a bit different but it's still him rather than a complete guy his hair give him a fake beard and glasses bates even you'd be fine yeah and he gets on no problem instead of having to try and ride onto it with a bike and then jump onto it so um i don't know that uh oh yeah yeah that's true he could have just tried that it just cancels out the entire like why are you just going normally bro a little more a fucking cowboy hat a goatee people would probably not recognize you it's uh yeah i don't know i think that's really disappointing because it just all the things that happen as a result of this are insane and crazy and cause all kinds of calamities all would have been avoided there must be a million other secret ish ways to get off that they get a whole fucking coffin on the tray and at one point somehow without anybody apparently noticing that so there must be other ways these like someone says they wanted him to do the stunts they crowbar it in it's like yeah but they didn't they don't have to they justify so many stunts so many action movies just a shame i don't know well it's just you know obviously like the halo jump ride that was a stunt that was that was a stunt that was contextualized in this story itself hanging off the side of the plane even you know that one was it's disguised as a carrier jet and that they'll be so small when they drop out of it that they wouldn't be detected by conventional like scanners and stuff but it's not it's not the most you know safest way to do it and then there's a storm that adds the variable yeah very straightforward and cause and effect i don't know why we've we're not doing that anymore so wasn't that the story when they were coming up with ideas for the film and before the story even tom cruise had said i want to ride a motorcycle off a cliff and basically they were brainstorming stunts before they were brainstorming script ideas as far as i know that's how fallout was made i don't get it you know like it it's really with the like the same teams made both films because there's so much that i would argue could be learned from fallout but they're the ones that did it so don't know uh so mantis knocks out some train guards and she unlocks gabriel's coffin i don't know how else to say that oh are you are you on the techno coffin the techno oh suddenly highlighted i don't know if you would be interested to think about it ranks but like he could have just used conventional makeup to get on the train could he not uh yeah he could just like put you know makeup and because they do it for i mean like i assume that movies exist in their universe right so they have like prosthetics and makeup and remember when you went to the kremlin he had the that's right he did he had the he did when he went to the kremlin any mission possible one the first mission we see he's rest up is like an old man he's the old one yeah and the white tux that's right and um i thought those are good compromise because you get to keep tom cruise for the most part we can still kind of see him we know and also like i know it's tom cruise in their acting you know like i'm not so like i don't have such a short memory that i don't forget that this is the famous actor tom cruise because he has a mask on like i know i know he's he's doing the acting wearing a mask and contextualizes him being a secret agent wearing a mask to hide his identity you know i hate it when it's like no we gotta see his face it's like i know it is i know that's tom cruise he's acting in everything and he's got an actual mask on and that's cool but i don't know maybe i'm just more maybe i'm gabriel's coffin's weird he seems to be communicating with the entity in this coffin um i guess that's what i'm supposed to take away from it because he has the custom made helmet that has the eyeball digital thing on the front and it's got like yeah and it's got like the the gas like tubes from the breathe i assume and he's like in there like a vampire i'm like what are you what is going on what is this again what's up with the techno coffin it's a weird creative choice all the way is the entity has to communicate they could have used a phone they could have used vr goggles privilege goggles whatever you want to call them but no coffin coffin is the thing they chose to do i don't understand what they were going for there and i have a feel like a lot of people are saying all these crazy nonsense pieces of poo poo that are everywhere like the second film will explain it all and contextualize it all i worry that the techno coffin will never be mentioned again it's so casually just like in the film that's the whole plan isn't it so yeah so mantis jumps off the bridge she gets in she twats the guards she goes to the coffin which is just there and no one has spotted it before unlock it yeah why why don't you just unlock it so you just walk onto the train like a normal human i don't know i actually don't know did you know like i i think that it's like with tom cruise right like why didn't tom cruise just get on the train right why don't you just buy a ticket because i'm pretty sure that the people who run this train would be more than happy to accept your money in exchange for a ticket to get on the train it doesn't take that much convincing you can just get on the train like a normal person and if anything it's like suspicious then lugging around a techno coffin inclined to agree just get on the train is what are you thinking every time as they walk up and down the staff walk up and down and they go past this techno coffin what what do they think every time they see it and who moved where did that come from did they don't go why is there a coffin what are we moving bob but he's like this is weird and how do we hit it in this one of them like fenced off area why is it making this weird whoop whoop whoop noise every time i go past that's that's gen z techno coffins man they're everywhere these days don't understand the techno coffin it's they made the props and everything the sound effect the noise and i'm like what is this ultimately leading to probably nothing it will probably be forgotten that it was even a thing and then it makes me think about the questions of how is gabriel in communication with the entity does he have like a microchip in his brain is he a cyborg what's going on here with the techno coffin and the vampire stuff i don't know is he actually a robot is he a charging station is that what he has to go to sleep there every now and then he might be this is the one moment and this is something a little bit later but that was like oh god uh don't do it don't make him a robot because remember ethan said like he thought he was dead it was like oh gonna be a robot so uh we see uh gabriel then fucks up all the controls the ability to hit break and stuff and kills the people operating the train and um he attaches one of the drivers doesn't he he hangs a driver from is it the cord for the yeah it's the chuchu string and he he he hangs him up on the chuchu string why and so every once in a while you hear the chuchu and i'm like why did you do that is the idea that it implies that there are still train operators there is that the oh yeah it could be it but then they would have noticed that something was wrong when it didn't slow down for corners or slow down at stations but that's okay but platoon that doesn't matter because no one notices that the train is like nobody knows it's a runaway train but it's not really a runaway train because it stays on the tracks and no one goes like oh and then like oh my gosh the train is so fast and someone go up there and tell those crazy guys to slow down you know we can't be too ahead of schedule or like what no one notices it's pointless why make the train speed up just go like the train is scheduled to arrive at a certain time why not just have that be part of the plan it's way less suspicious and it involves the not destruction of an entire train like don't you want to leave as little of a footprint as possible that is the main realization about this entire scene on why why did they crash the train why did the entity want that why well sat pace is literally the only thing i can think of yeah it's like to cover what tracks to most people live whatever it's yeah virtually everyone lives the point is really interesting it's interesting to yeah they did actually um it's interesting to think about the way that the set pieces are bound together in fallout compared to here how like just seemingly disconnected each of the ones i hear and how plot uh integral the ones are in a fallout yeah final set piece why is ethan hanging off a fucking helicopter it's like because henry cavill's in there with the detonator to the bombs to get away to get away from the blast radius yeah and why is why the bomb's going off it's like it's because the syndicate want create such a devastating event that it brings the world together as a result that's their logic that's what they believe that most are now the best of peace comes after the greatest of war and so they're going to detonate near a water source it's going to poison the whole world or a significant portion of it and you know solemn lane and his apostles believe that that will bring about the best piece it has ever known like got it okay and now they have a fight in a helicopter and it's a cool fight yep and you have a cool fight with el sir and solemn and then and then it's the same as well with like the chase through uh through paris it's like why did that happen well it's because uh it's because the ethan specifically sabotage the plan that was being developed that had been developed by uh the group that he was with in order to you know minimize casualties essentially and because of that as a result of that he just ends up getting into a chase with the police we haven't mentioned really at all since the beginning the agent people they just we just yeah they're just they've been around but like they were relevant to the story essentially the one time the film kind of gives something here is that they're having a conversation it's what we mentioned where one of them just goes what if what if ethan has a good reason to do what he's doing the other guy's like who's team are you on and it's just embarrassing that's all they have i feel bad i think this might be just something i missed but is it explained how they knew to be on the orient express they say that the white widow is there and that they believe the ethan would be there if the white widow is okay so they just buy a ticket get a table they walk on normally notably and they sit down and they wait like normal human beings so part of me is thinking or so i'm thinking right so i think the orient express as it runs today i think it is supposed to be like how it would actually be done back in the like 1920s or something 1930s right so okay i think it's like still cold powered and even like cold heated and stuff um something okay because they specifically have gabriel shoveling more coal in there um to like fuel the train even more so it can go fast i guess i'm thinking is there a point to any of that why it needs to be specifically the orient express i i would assume for the fact that it's still like a cold powered train is that a is that plot relevant in any way i don't think say the place that because it's a memorable it's a memorable name and it gives the impression of class sophistication much like going to like paris or venice for no very good reason um it just gives the impression of class i think well it's fine i'm just like all right yeah uh so the meeting is about to take place the white widow and i'm not kidding is supposed to be meeting with kitridge in about two minutes and then she's like i need to go to my room don't disturb me until the meeting so weird because it's about to start he's probably there already but lucky for that would be a great that'd be a great naked gun joke where you have the person go into the cabin right like don't wake me until the meeting and then you don't even leave it's like literally just like a minute passes and he knocks on the door because it's a minute away and that's the joke well they did it for real in this oh okay that explains why it wasn't funny i guess i don't know so um she goes in and they do anything of her being like stressed out the widow she's like i'm a bit in way over my head oh my god and she looks around and she spots herself obviously we know it's grace about to take the position white widow the first thought i had was like wow her brother is a meter away behind that door all she has to do is say anything just like what the what yeah just say anything at all but uh she manages to not and grace does the little injection thing that knocks her out you hear the thud of her body of the brother's like hmm that's weird are you okay sister dear sister i care so much about and know so well hello sister how are you doing in there and she opens the door and it's grace in her outfit that's completely different from the white widows and she has the wrong eye color oh my goodness oh no he just doesn't seem to notice really at all he's like oh you changed is that not only did uh he not notice i've seen basically everyone talk about this like what it's such an obvious mistake you notice it's the first thing it's like your eye color is different which because you look at someone in their eyes what that likes that's what i do i guess i don't know what everyone else does but when i'm looking at someone like talking to them i look at their eyeballs right so maybe i'm the crazy one here maybe i'm the crazy one and that's why everyone's been looking at being weird this whole time i don't know but i feel like that'd be something you notice immediately especially if it's your sister i would notice if my i'd notice if my sister or brother or mother or father or really a lot of the people i know had randomly different eye colors you notice when they dye their hair you know it's so um it's not even just that though it's the it's the weird noises it's the change of clothes and it's just like i'm going in here don't disturb me hello i'm back it's like okay and uh you live in a world where people wear fucking masks all the time something that is doubly triply quadruply weird about this is that think about this from the the filmmaking standpoint right in order to film the scene you obviously have the um miss curbie i guess her name is i forget her first name valentina whatever um venessa venessa curbie uh she is playing her character white widow and grace is white widow right that same actress is playing both of those roles right which means in order to have this fuck up they had to physically go through the effort of giving her contacts that would recolor her eyes as brown yes yeah which is really weird that they would go through that effort when it makes problems for the movie it is so if you just you just leave the actress at her eyes as they are because of course you would because that's what they would do in the movie but you instead decided to make her wear contacts which is a fuck up i don't get it yeah they they had to put in a bit of effort to make this screw up yeah weird because uh in the past movies we've seen them put in contacts to match eye color and we've also seen in uh ghost protocol they've actually done tests before to make sure you are who you are they do dna tests they did it on uh ethan once i was so surprised to see it i i was i was like fuck this is they never do this in any other movie to make sure you're not like impersonating somebody oh well and uh yeah i don't know that was a little bit embarrassing but they fucked all that up and the brother didn't notice anything should probably check for masks which by the way this film has characters do but not whenever it actually matters yeah oh if anything it's used for it's used for comedy because the when uh they was salt and pepper they're at the they're at the the the airport the place where the planes live they like reach it from people's faces and like try to pull at them and it's like it's like funny because the real people and their strangers and to them it just this random person just went up and grabbed their fate it's played for comedy which is you know it's amusing yeah sure but like you can't but then what about the other times you don't do it you know you think of all the times this would be the time because you've got this collection of characters all of whom have been duped by masks before they've seen the mask before they all have acute knowledge of who's after them and what technology they have and this is the most important meeting most of them have had in their entire lives you think of considering who the buyer is yes you know doubly so triply so so moving right along I thought it was funny but they don't address the getting the the voice information they just say they have it in mi3 it's actually a scene I quite like where they have to get the voice of Philip Seymour Hoffman they have to get him to read out a selection of words and then they have to process it and form it into the the thing they put on their throat that's how they get you know the voice changer it's not just like you you don't just tell it like I want the voice of this person then it knows but also funny sketch on task master they skip that on this I don't know it's just I guess it's good to skip because it would have caused them a shit ton of problems yet the white widows voice lines all done before yeah I don't know it's that's less of a problem because you just have to assume maybe they're working with old audio from here that they've recorded or something sure I can assume for that so yeah I thought it was interesting that she went into grace have to do the accent oh I don't I I've never thought about it beyond just if you have the voice I don't think it's worthwhile to even try all right don't go into that the fact that they were about to have their meeting she walked off to her room makes you think like so it's lucky at all that she did that it's really lucky that she didn't go in there and just sit in with her brother if that had happened grace was fucked and then it's also fucked that imagine she left the door open she's when I just want to sit down a sec what the whole mission is like yeah but you know we're just hoping it kind of works out it's like okay remember in the original plan the original plan was to knock them both out together that's what the and so it's like yeah you'll go in alone grace you can take on the white widow and her brother at the same time right sure and they don't give her a gas or something that can easily take out these people she has to like stab them with the injector and there's an additional convenience there as well because she remains unconscious for exactly the right amount of time I can't believe they got anything had gone wrong then like she could have woken up too soon yeah or like there's plenty of failure points in that situation I just don't understand at all how you you wouldn't have gone for a sedative that would have lasted a bit longer yeah why would you cut it that fucking close like 10 minutes it screws up everything it actually does screw up everything yeah nearly it could have screwed everything up even worse but it screwed it up real bad yeah um so yeah anyway grace is now white widow bodyguard does not have any suspicions gonna be great she also acts pretty retarded she doesn't uh really capture the white widow at all I guess I give room for that because she has no idea who the white widow is so yeah and I guess it's a little impromptu and they can be comedy with it they don't think they really use it for that but they could have been they don't give grace his character a chance to make things up on the fly see her improvisational skills you know and so she meets with kittridge which is supposed to be a big old shock to us but I mean we know that he and all the intelligence agencies desperately want the keys and they have good reason to want the key wasn't really a surprise to me I was curious what the film wanted me to think like am I supposed to think he's evil I don't think so this is just he's just trying to get the keys I guess but I don't know why he's there as opposed to someone representing but he said all the evil stuff at the beginning he did say evil things this is true true uh they have a conversation that's pretty much as simple as you've got one of the keys uh I guess like the brother says we've only got one of the keys and then she's like no actually we have both and the brother's like what the fuck that is such a funny moment because with everything else like hey bro hey bro he looking on yet no this is clearly thumbs up understand how he couldn't figure it out even if it wasn't any one thing which any one thing probably should have been a big enough giveaway she was wearing different clothes she inexplicably has a different eye color and she doesn't behave the same way at all and yeah she's got both of the uh the keys like come on yeah then she tells him to go away he's like okay okay yeah all right bye yeah everything she does is designed to be detected and then she goes that one step further when she she tries to make the deal and says that you know you have to protect me even from myself I won't remember that I need this why don't we talk about you now yeah let's please so while she's talking to kittridge she's like you know the deal in total is I get 100 million is it sent to a thing of my choice a bank account of my choice you get the keys and um I want something more and he's like okay I'm listening and she's like well first of all I'm gonna want protection because everyone's gonna be coming after me when I give you the keys and then she says I also want you to protect Grace and gives him a passport of her and says like I know it's gonna seem strange he's like I I know who this is and she's like yes well I want you to put all the effort in to make sure like no one hurts her and uh even even from me I'm I'm gonna I don't want anyone to know that I'm protecting her I'm gonna come after in fact I'm not even gonna I'm gonna pretend like I don't fucking remember this conversation I I'm gonna you know and you think it is an audience member oh that's very clever because the next time he mentions it to white widow she's gonna be like I don't know what you're talking about and he'll be like ha ha very good because over and set up what's more likely to happen next time is there was no conversation that somebody who was disguised as me trunked me everyone I was drugged on the train and you fucking I never even talking to me something I won't remember this conversation I know that not only that I know that I'm supposed to happen she will ask you Tridge what did I say to you and he'll be like well you want me to protect some girl called Grace and she's be like what I'm gonna fucking no oiled again yeah there's no way that he would do it because she would just be like you weren't even talking to me you idiot like that's completely different stupid I don't know why grace thought that would work I don't know why the film thought that would work it was super embarrassing it's just they don't even think about it too much just like it's fine um so anyway we cut over to mantis kills the director of intelligence's bodyguards and she facilitates the meeting between Gabriel and himself and that's what you're gonna like how that fight where she takes the two guards and that's just like oh it's lame and I think I said before that whenever you have a little woman who's taking on some big boys fighting them I feel like extraction too is kind of where my my brain's going to be going for you know for sort of the standard right now for whether or not it's believable or not yeah she gets quite she's it's a tough fight for her um but mantis kind of fucking wrecks them these yeah and they're just they don't try hard enough I don't believe these guys just aren't trying hard enough um so this is the way we find out all about the sabastopol and its history we kind of covered that at the beginning because I just felt like it's better to do it then and um as we've kind of talked about already uh Gabriel kills him because he just I guess wants to protect the sabastopol only one to consider is the they heard everything he said about the sabastopol him and mantis those are two people who now know Gabriel well is is you know this is pretty pretty of course I don't know well before before you do that though because he kills him because it's like you can't know the secret has to you can't keep it what if the dude recorded it and you know they didn't record it like an offsite there's so many issues with it because it's like what if he lied what if he said uh yeah I'm the only one who knows because he thinks that gives him more leverage when he knows that other people know exactly and that's not true like the reality you just don't know shit you really don't you don't know anything about what's happening and someone says well they do because the algorithm can tell whether he's lying oh yeah okay it's like it's so useful it's like one size fits all uh but yes this is the point where he's like you know the entities yeah they're weird it's weird it's so fucking weird uh I got caught off guard at the center I was like wait what the fuck so the the shot itself is they're both standing looking and bleeding out and then the shot flips to the other side of the room and then Gabriel looks back at mantis and says uh you will betray us because Ethan hunts spared your life and it starts attacking her it's like wow what the this come up you have like a live connection to the entity that gives you like updates changes why would you tell her why would you give her any warning whatsoever about what you're about to do it's that's exactly what the character when written well would do he would he would stab it and we'd be like whoa what the fuck and then she'd be like why and then he'd be like you know you might not even say anything why would he he knows why would he it's he knows and she's about to be dead this is where the usefulness of the personality comes in to explain why they would do certain things if he likes to if he's that kind of guy no why never tell it why would he tell her beforehand it just gives him like I guess are you just one sort of no because it's like more of a stain really good fighter too she's a really good fighter and you're giving her warning and as we of course no I mean I don't mean like a warning accurately I don't only give a warning I mean like explain as she's dying on the floor you want to do that sure yeah yeah that's yeah but he wouldn't yeah this is stupid like you're just dumb let's sorry it might as well just say it now because he narrowly escapes being killed by him yes she she nearly shoots him in the head and she survives this attack and relays incredibly important information to Ethan later on and also rewind again let's slow down yes there's so much like I kind of want to talk about the whole like before even a taxer this means that this is information that he got just now right because he I asked so now so either what was telling him either he's out of the side he's out of the techno coffin either it's a piece that's directing him with new information like the entity's like oh hey Gabriel Gabriel I just I just I typed in a few ones new slash from the you'll never guess so Mantis is gonna betray us apparently like he was like wow really yeah because she got spit it's dumb but yeah you got to take her out buddy I would like this movie better by the way the entity's like this chill computer dude is like oh my god if you go now well Ultron had a personality and that was one of those cool little things about him haha um not so much fan of that personality but we can talk about Ultron for a while but we we're busy with the entity right now so yeah so like either it got told by through an earpiece or he computed that himself which was the worry I had like oh god he's not a cyborg right so just like he's running with the entity in his head or some shit but then of course why does the entity only know this now wow is it impossible that he knew it for a while and he waited until this moment because the plan still had a used for Mantis and so now she's finally exhausted her use so then he should have been able to click him I mean this was always the case anyway but he should know that she doesn't die from that and then tells Ethan the the the information why isn't that a part of the algorithm yes and then maybe the algorithm thought he was a better stabber well the funny part is that it doesn't really show that she's dead yeah you don't even need you know the consequences to know that she would tell anybody that is the last source of information you consider to be so sensitive it basically defines your existence you make sure she's dead even if it costs Gabriel's life doesn't matter get rid of it yeah yeah it's uh I was just thinking by the way on the cyborg thing if he's a cyborg he shouldn't be losing any of these fights right no this is the I don't think but you worry because well you imagine if it's like Barry from from Archie you know I mean the backstory is similar their rivals maybe he dropped him out of off of like a building and then they turned him into the entity turned him into a robot then he comes back to fight him oh my god Barry's funnier and more entertaining than Gabriel though I should have mentioned by the way uh one of the lines from the director of intelligence he uh Gabriel says to him you want a super state that can rule the world and remember he also says he wants to erase some of the old thing from America but then the camera like tightens up on uh Dr. Fuck I forgot again Gordon um that he says for the greater good I was just like what is going on the way he speaks is evil he's got an evil tenor it's such a it's such a moment of the writer's the director being like that guy is not bad news I'm like yeah I get that is not a hero he's one of the bad ones yeah just so you know so I do have a question though because I forget specifically if there's any consequences of it but wouldn't firing multiple gunshots like that in a train yeah a lot of people that something's up oh okay well carry on then I know this because it doesn't oh well I mean that does frames can be loud louder than bullets it's as someone who has been in a well I've been in a literal coal powered train before with open windows and I can assure you that um if a gun went off you would definitely hear it they're not that loud the the horn is loud the horn is really loud they didn't do the mean that some films and games do right where you have to synchronize the uh what's what's the what's a movie that did that where you have to synchronize like the sound of um well enemy at the gates and world oh yeah that's right yeah yeah well would you sorry if you mentioned it already brags but the great escape right oh yeah the great escape they do it at least oh and of course shank as well with the uh with the the old uh lightning and thunder the the one in indiana jones is accidental and kind of hilarious but the great escape one is actually deliberate as part of their plan where they look out the window and make sure that it's synced up so the sound isn't detected oh yeah they have both a singing and they have the uh yeah the hitting the pole outside and uh yeah um so anyway grace well yeah grace as widow she's able to press the accept button on the exchange she hovers over decline and hits it and then the kid is like wait what then she says i just had the strangest feeling i was selling more than just the key that's so sad i was like why would you do that i got it when she hit decline i understood i understand the choice no you see if i did this i would be selling my soul i know i got it i understand maybe maybe that's a good time to talk about the fallout example because we said we would at some point i can't think of a better time to do it it won't take too long it's just more of a um recognition of how they used to be able to do a thing okay you've talked about fallout we did that summary earlier we've mentioned it a lot because as you may know this film is a sequel to that film and it's kind of the best mission possible film i don't know if that's controversial i don't think it is but um it's the best one they arrive at the place that uh solomon is going to be exploding the nukes and unfortunately they realize that uh ethans ex-wife is here and so he's quickly realizing oh shit this is why solomon did this he set this up to be this way and that's like already dawning on him it's a fucking horrible thing and in this scene you can see from the way that um his ex-wife is looking she's starting to realize that like why would ethan be here that's weird the first thing she realizes by seeing the group is that oh fuck this is this is a serious this this is actually things going on this is this is a mission and she already knows what his missions entail and then um here uh he knew i think is it his husband or is it just boyfriend i can't remember well he walks up and he's like oh hey how you doing um you know where were you and he mentions some country or whatever and then he's like oh you're there on work and then she says no no no he's here on a holiday to try and give him a cover story and then uh ethan goes no i'm here on work like the implication being to her things are bad right now here there's a problem and that she gets to know like understand that and starts to worry and then you see on her face she starts to realize because the husband's describing their project here he's saying like oh it's great someone contacted us to come out here to use the like the i forget what they're doing here is something like a big anonymous donation for uh to have them set up here big big anonymous donation that sent them out here to do great work and he's talking about it with so much pride and she is at first and then her face falls because she realizes oh shit that wasn't that was solemn lane that did that or rather from her pv that someone bad person did that you know someone did it to put me here because this is where some horrible world ending event is probably happening and it's to manipulate ethan again just like in the third film yeah and she realizes it ethan realizes it and then on top of all this this is all done with facial expressions by the way it's fucking great uh we get a shot of ilsa watching all of this happen and now this film is about how she's taking drastic measures to get her life back and she's watching someone have his life dragged back into his work all the time to fuck with him and he's desperately trying to keep her safe in a way it's like the opposite of what she's doing and how much he has to sacrifice like i said this moment i'm pretty sure is what facilitates her to be inspired to be like you know what i'm probably going to join the imf instead of trying to get back to the life i had instead of trying to commit my own like individual missions that benefit me i should be benefiting as best i can just like uh ethan does a really good scene it happens in like a minute and a lot of the most meaningful stuff in here isn't explicitly said it's all stuff you have to draw out by paying attention mm-hmm what happened so layered i don't know what happened i it's it's uh i don't get it it's like they're made by different people but they're not very not it's the same team exactly done is my last name it knows who i am so uh yeah really sad that we've been through so many examples of the dialogue in this film absolutely not trusting that the audience could pick up fucking anything just almost like to the point where they kind of they're a little bit awkwardly embarrassing like oh fuck we said it once but maybe we should do it again just in case whatever you could have you know the the the stupid lie where they say uh they organized the party the entity organized the party the party is the entity in fact you could say it's all the but like they didn't have any of that they could have just had us realize that symbol is the entity what if the entity put it all together like for us we don't need any of the characters to realize that does it even benefit the scene reveal of the entity's face so speak or well just with the symbology surrounding the area and the nature of like this exchange we the audience can be like oh the entity put it together that can help us predict how something's going to go down in future or whatever through in a different world in a different film a better written film there could be some utility and having the characters realize that they are literally surrounded by this all powerful thing which hitherto has only really existed as concept for them and now they are you know there's a visual representation of it basically suffocating them i don't think that's what we get i don't think the scene does enough with it but i think you could have made something good out of it well i mean this an ai that is going to take over the world has enormous potential but it's a tough writing challenge that's not something that and they were not up for the task nor so kittridge has the key he's like you know happy for him to have it she goes to walk away but she pickpockets it out of him and then says i need to go brother stay here i'm fine it's so annoying it's like kittridge has the thing that he considers to be the most important like item in the history of the world and he just lets it get picked pocketed he doesn't put it in any kind of i would expect a fucking full-ass briefcase a special yeah a special case that is designed specifically for this key that has biometric scanners and a lock box and like it just pure analog that would be cool who's purely analog we're talking like tumblers and an actual physical lock because you know you don't want something digital really because it can be messed with puffs cuff it to his hands i think a lot of people do to make sure you can't steal it so um then they realize because the white widow wakes back up and she stumbles into the room which again if she hadn't grace would have been able to get away more than likely um but she does right at the right time and so they start chasing her and it's weird because she doesn't get very far before the brother is in the same carriage as her and he shoots up which makes everyone panic and crouch and then she puts her hands up at this point i i don't really know why he isn't killing her there's not really any reason he's like give me the key and she's like why don't you just kill it i guess he wants to like find out who this is and how they did all this and great theory but he tells his man to kill her after he gets the key offer okay well yeah because of course they do because this you know facility well she should probably want to know this info he's got him and a henchman in there they both got guns on her she put the key on the table it's all over they got guns on her she's dead dead as a donor there's nothing this guy's just all over dead dead in comes ethan oh my goodness how but wait what do you mean in comes ethan well that's a good question i suppose we didn't properly talk about a famous stunt he couldn't get on the train because it was going too fast so it wasn't slowing down around curves we couldn't get on to it therefore you had to drive really high up on these like a cliff side and drive his motorcycle across like a ramp like rock structure and pull a parachute out and land on the train that was his plan before he does that i think we mentioned this on open bar that because yeah it's an impressive stunt but the film really really really wants to make you aware how impressive the stunt is so he he goes up in the first instance looks down and says basically lists all of the difficulties there's ledges and there's rocks and it's jagged and it's going to be really difficult just so we know how difficult it is so when he eventually goes and does it we can be even more impressed than we might otherwise have been because we know the challenges he's overcoming um which is a bit heavy-handed i i think the stunts really impressive but i don't think it necessarily needed all of that lead in it's good there's a lot to say it's good it's neat drink it was you know possibly one of the most critical of it when we do an open bar which surprised me he was he was kind of saying like the way they shoot this um it's hard to tell it's hard to they're not quite showing off just how real it is for the point where an audience might be fooled into thinking there's more cg here than you'd like or would think because uh the only comparison i think that's the most viable is the fallout halo jump which is very cgified there's loads of cg and there's a whole fucking storm getting cg'd in there but it's um it's still tom cruise actually doing the dive it's you still know a cameraman dived with them to ensure all that's happening and uh then there's just the stakes of how everything's going wrong they set up how the the oxygen tanks work for the pressure and stuff and that comes out of walkers uh tank when the lightning strike hits them or gets near them whatever and so he's out and uh Ethan realizes that the he can't reconnect his tube either so he has to reinstall his own one onto walkers to get him up and as soon as he does it starts saying like alert alert pull the uh parachute he's gotta pull walkers but also his own but also when he's out of the range of walker but also not before he's too late to hit the ground and this is all while the camera's spinning around he's spinning around trying to get all of it you know the cameraman died with them that's not what it is he meant dived but um there's uh a lot to it that's super cool and it's super interesting this one i mean yeah he goes up the ramp and then down and pulls the chute uh that's about that's about it it's very straightforward and the camera's far enough away that a lot of people could assume it is actually cg i know it's not because i saw all the marketing stuff i saw it being done several times in a row it's real cool um but it just didn't hit as hard as a lot of the main stunts in a lot of mission impossibles cool yeah it was really yeah it's strange um you compare it to yeah climbing the birch califer or hanging off the side of the plane uh or even even just jumping from one roof to the other in the london chase like to me that was more impactful than uh than this one even though this as a stunt is crazy like if i could you know by comparison so he does this and he's saying as he's landing like benji i don't know if i can make it to the train i don't know if i can get this right and so unfortunately that that alliance confirms that he randomly entered the train and he happened to knock out the two men who were trying to shoot grace guys entering the train means crashing through the side of the train and he goes head first crashing human ass his human ass body not the windows that side of the train itself he's not wearing a helmet he's he is he is paced he is he is paced on yeah this is the thing is the thing i've seen the most complaints about from most people is this one bit um a lot of people say hey i don't know why they wrote it to me this way this is not it's like obviously this is so grace is about to get shot he crashes through the side of the the train at just the right moment to stop that from happening at just a place okay yeah and he's okay right place right time and an impossibility in terms of actually making it through the train by crashing through it or at the very least if he managed to get through he has no bones left he just it's just paced inside of him i have an ankle bone maybe a human being isn't tough enough to go through the side of a train to the point where like the there's a hole in the side of the train it's aware when the the thing that's like which one breaks in this situation the person or the train well the train the metal train is only the glass that breaks there's nothing more than that is it actually i thought i wanted to check it because when you said it right isn't really the glass is it just the glass doesn't go through it at a pretty much the right angle though and then you've still got the train traveling very very quickly at a right angle to the direction he enters the train so even if he just goes through the glass the train is still going very quickly across him well so wouldn't he get twatted by the frame of the window and cut in half what's worth mentioning too is he goes through two he goes through the other one on the other end too his head oh come on oh his head is done okay so then it changes to how the hell did he manage that i don't know if he was aiming to go through the window if they're inspired by john wick i don't know and and then of course what if uh why what if he fucking hit someone like an innocent person how would he didn't know who was in that train and if he hit them they probably would have been killed um yeah it just it stretches far beyond what mission impossible usually does for um believability okay i guess i i thought he went through the the side of the train okay if he went through the window even then that's still pretty bad yeah not as bad as i thought but still just like i said a huge problem both windows yeah both yeah nice and then of course he gets yanked because his power should still hang it out of the the window so he gets yanked back yeah but uh it's all good that that happens for him it's it's very ideal because it stops a bad guy he's about to be executed the wind picks up and he knocks out the guy was about to execute him that's incredible that's like seven conveniences all stacked on top of each other a little bit timing place and you know actually timing multiple times place multiple times the fact that this didn't kill him the fact that he was even able to get through the windows seemingly angled through the windows to get through jump and yeah it's insane guys the entity knew what would happen you joke but yes the entity knew all of this was going to happen and we're about to find out how or rather proof that that's the case so uh she says are you okay and then he says are you okay and um she does she has like a good 10 second reaction of her trying to hold on to her emotions but admitting that this is way too much for her and again just good stuff it's a pity that such a great character had to be killed for us to have this character yeah um and she's doing such a great job with acting it so I think the editing here at it's like people have made fun of the editing in this film in general but this is the worst as far as I'm concerned when he got the wind picked up his thing and he hit that guy that guy was also holding the key he dropped it and then it like cuts to Gabriel it's at Gabriel's feet he's in the carriage and then they look it cuts back and they look they're looking around like where is it well what the what the hell where's the key going oh my god and then he's holding it and looking at them like haha eye win turns around starts walking away and then it cuts back to them and they slowly look over at the carriage and his back is already at the you know at the door like he's leaving it's like how did how did that happen like that it's like the shit with the serial killer is chasing someone they keep getting reversed back every single shot or the dinosaur every time there's a cut we get to reset the distances between the parties yeah he took like 10 fucking minutes picking up that key and they like look at everywhere and somehow they just don't think to check I don't know maybe someone's in the carriage oh he doesn't kill him because um he doesn't have a gun I don't have a gun for no reason at all um he's gonna come up again he should have a gun anyway should have probably had a gun he picks up the key and he's head into his extraction Ethan's like I gotta go get him you go stop the train grace and there's a boss fight Ethan versus Gabriel and uh Gabriel doesn't have a gun Ethan didn't bring a gun with him because he's fucking stupid and so they actually have to have a fist fight and then he actually gets the point we almost kills Gabriel and you even have a moment of like you can't kill me Ethan I know what the key does and then Ethan's like I'm gonna do it anyway here I go oh and uh the fucking agents turn up and they're like hey Ethan you stop that right now just like oh my god did we I'm sorry did we have a um did we have the chat about uh salt and pepper here how come they're uh how come they had like that bar talk about the what they would do with the uh um what they would do with the entity if they got the key and stuff I didn't mention it because I didn't think it was anything worthwhile and what they well that's kind of like the reason it's almost worth mentioning right like they they we specifically stop the movie sort of and take a time out so that they can have a so that they can have this brief conversation one of them about well if I got the key then I would turn it over to my superiors because one person shouldn't have all that power and they like start to delve into this like thing about like like they start to touch into like institutions and individuals and power and how much they should have and stuff but it's just like it happens so fast and kind of out of nowhere and then it's gone and it's not really brought up again like it's weird how that just sort of happens yeah the disagreement between them I thought you know had the potential to be interesting and certainly if it pays forward to a split and like you know one of them does side with Tom Cruise and one of them sides and sticks with the government and they fall apart essentially and that has some kind of plot relevance or significance paying forward but it doesn't it is just there and it doesn't it's not even that well fleshed out because the one person doesn't deserve to have this much power so I'm going to give it to my superiors yeah that's to give it to the government it's it's like it's weird it's honestly strange that it just sort of happens and it's brief and they're just chilling at the bar talking about it and like it's odd that this sort of is a thing as some people have mentioned some of this stuff might make more sense once the second part is out like in terms of writing goals like what those agents talk about might come up again in the next film even if this is a setup I feel like it's not a good setup you know yeah like this is weak like this technically checks a box but it's like just like like barely scrapes by because it is such a small thing as well and from two characters who really are not relevant throughout the rest of it it's not exactly the most memorable thing to like if you're relying on the audience to remember this exchange because it becomes really significant in part two you probably ought to put a bit more weight behind it to actually make it memorable because I would be very surprised if many people when part two comes out look back and say you know what that bit I really liked and want to see the payoff for it was fucking Laurel and Hardy having their little moral moment that would be I want to see where that's going it's really weird that we end up having almost a one-to-one with dial of destiny is an action moment here they go through a tunnel and Gabriel has the knife and he's crawling towards him and he has the knife yet it's like shot for shot the same it's disconcertingly similar it's uh and I mean it's it's probably worth touching on as well in terms of the fight on the top of the train in mission impossible one it's like going so fast that they can't like stand up or fight on the train it's like they're actually on top of a train here it doesn't feel like that it feels like a standard movie fight on top of a train like is the first one like a bullet train or something like a really fast train yeah so to be to be clear the train in mission impossible one is going faster but even then this train is going at like its top speed you got to imagine that it's going fast enough that it would be difficult to stand on top of it well and since they did film some of this on an actual train I have to imagine they were not going at full speed when they were filming it you know I don't see how they could have well I wonder what the whole point of that well if you were going that fast you I don't think you'd be able to stand up on it's like Archer said you know fighting on top of a train it's like you're still on the train except there's like dust and shit blown in your eyes you know it's hard to stand up maybe you guys know the answer this because it's cars but like you can go to a certain speed where it's fun to like put your arm out the window to mess around whatever whether it's high winds but it can get high enough that you need to not do that because it's dangerous like if you your arm can get pulled back really far because of the wind and that's in a car yeah like you know yeah like I don't know if you've got like a rush of air coming very very quickly the head actually makes it very difficult to breathe so if you're the person facing into the wind you're at an immense disadvantage well and like Archer said it's like being shot in the eyes with a glitter gun like it's all that dust going in your eyes I don't know it's it look and people and I see people saying it's like the train is an old train it's like but in the film itself it looks like they're going pretty fast like in the film it looks like they're going fast you know what I mean like it doesn't look like they're going slow I would be curious what the maximum speed of the orient express is probably someone can find out right I'm actually looking at it right now I'm gonna take a guess and say 90 miles an hour but that is a gas is it because it's a coal powered train and but it probably has some modern stuff in there like brakes and things of safety stuff but um let's just do coal train top speed yeah that might be the way to go maybe yeah um 88 miles per hour let's see the fastest was the the mallard which was 126 miles an hour but that's specifically the fastest um okay what about average yeah um I'm trying to look what's the max speed of a steam train here's what I thought there'd be stats for the specifically the orient express but maybe wow maybe maybe it uh maybe you'd have to look and find it but it depends apparently the speedometer is at 80 in the film is that kilometers or miles if it's if it's already expressed it's probably in kilometers right if well the orient express was built a long time ago so it'd be miles probably right a lot of things started getting moved to maybe I would I bet the gauges would be updated but maybe not because both of them are still used now I guess that's but even a conservative estimate if you're standing on top of a train that's going 80 kilometers per hour and I'm wondering like because it it looks like it it's a number of bends and curves so and I just would want to emphasize again in the film what looks like they're going really fast like in the movie it looks like they're going fast the point is I don't know if I know trains are kind of like it's fun when you actually have it deal with the fact that trains go really fast like I suppose I'm going to chat minutes the wolverine it's like again that was a bullet train so it's gone a lot faster but like that film it feels like they're on the top of a train this one doesn't feel like that if it doesn't feel the same they're kind of like they're kind of you know getting blown around and everything but it's yeah I don't know it's just um it's kind of interesting to compare though because like the first mission impossible the fight on the train is really like the only high octane action scene in that film everything oh pardon me everything else is uh much more um yeah more tension and yeah yeah and and even then on on that fight it's like less of a fight on the train like it wow it feels like a fight on top of a really fast train yeah anyway so uh yeah they have their boss fights broken up by the agents and then uh I guess because the entity predicts everything he is watched says jump off the train in five four three two and Gabriel does and a perfect setup for him to not be hurt is right there a car with like a pad in it oh fuck off no I do not think he was flying down there at the 100 miles an hour no it's fine sure that's not the entity did all the calculations okay the funny like my asshole is what you can do there's just I don't I don't believe it but I did this is the best part though if you're gonna buy that you this is the the crossroads of oh fuck I'm screwed because if you buy that if it has the best computational power that it could predict that why the hell couldn't it predict Ethan taking the key from him with a pick besides yeah because him taking the key would alter the mass of his body so that when he went off the train he would have to time me me me me me me right out of splats well like the amount of like let's say that the computer predicts it perfectly but that's almost irrelevant because that means that Gabriel the human being Gabriel not to be confused with the angel what he would have to do or Chris Angel mind freak who is a human but Gabriel would have to be on the train standing at the exact spot at the exact time and the train would have to be moving the exact speed based on how he fiddled with the train and he would have to react to that at the exact way and fall off like like the amount of precision involves with him landing on that because he's not jumping in a river you know like or he's not a big thing a hay or something that's been like prepped for him it's a it's just a little it's like a what would you describe it flatbed truck isn't it yeah it looks like it's about a shipping container size and he falls on it at an angle without even looking to be fucked I don't believe it that all relies on the fight on top of the train ending in exactly the right yeah this is what I'm saying exactly the right direction it's so fucking absurd that if you want me to believe the entity can account for that in a calculator way and the key ended up at his feet because Ethan was predictably going to smash head first through two glass windows sorry the entity is super good at predicting the physics but it's also not yeah it's guys it's just it's bad it's bad it's bad riding it's what would have made it slightly more believable is if they hadn't jammed the train on top speed and the truck was positioned on a corner for which the train had naturally slowed down making it much safer to jump off at that particular moment and given that jamming this train at top speed hasn't changed anything else about the proceedings it just makes this less believable overall so again I don't really know why they bother with that I can believe 100 percent that if you wanted to and you were decently intelligent certainly if you were as intelligent as the supercomputer you could arrange all kinds of stuff for him to be able to jump off of and land in that soft big piles of hay a big thing of pillows literal stunt mats and stuff that you lay out or you just have it to where oh the first bridge he jumps off and parachutes or he some something right but not this this is too precise and I guess that's the point of it right is that he jumps in just the way that he happens to land on this tiny little thing but that just makes it unbelievable though you could have made it work but you didn't which is more which is more unbelievable is it this one or is it the random crash mats in the Mandalorian season three when they jump off that train apparently crash mats on the side of train tracks which one which one is the good episode well the episode that has some good stuff in it um it remember when they jump off the train we were all like what the fuck hey a little platoon well I've just been asked to I've been asked to ask you a question what is the what is your character's eye color my my character's eye color I think it's just black you think I don't pay much attention to my character's eye color I can't really see him very clearly I'm pretty sure he doesn't have one if it is it'll be blue but I think it's just black pupils I think all right I think it's just black pupils but if they do have a color they're blue he's an imposter all right that's what I've been that's what I've been told so that's what I've been told mine are like a an orangey gold like a brown gold brown like a golden brown kind of orangey brown gold so I'm going to mention this again because I think it's just it's it's just that bad to be mentioned again but uh you know we're about to deal with what our heroes do next but we do get a little shot of Gabriel getting away real happy real chuffed he activates the bomb that's going to be destroying a bridge ahead of the train he's like ho ho I've won I'm so good oh yes and then fiddles in his pocket and he's like wait a minute realizes he does not have the key then we have a nice little camera shot getting it all right and ready that he gets really angry and he goes a I almost locked in the theater it's just like what the hell I don't think I've ever been angry enough in my life to yell out someone's name like that you know like I can't even imagine what would I have to do like do you think any of like do you think anyone ever went like Hitler or anything like that and he was a pretty bad guy allegedly so like no one probably did that like come on this is like a cartoonish thing stop it what are you doing well again because he's also the kind of personality that I thought the whole point of him was that he sees everything you know and it's all it's just like it would there even be anger normally already be like all right this needs to happen up but the fact that they did that means that it fucked up the entity didn't realize the entity was like oh shit he pickpocketed you right yeah that was in my files I just forgot oh fuck it's just like what am I supposed to think of this obviously the second movie might recontextualize some of these things and improve them but I have a feeling I have a bad feeling that the second movie is going to make all this even worse is there any way of doing it that makes sense that isn't the entity deliberately trying to fuck over um Gabriel at some point I do your only chance to argue that all the events of this film will what the entity wanted but it's hard to make it so that it ends up at a point where we go oh okay yeah right though you would have to make it to where like the events that this film ends are one of many possibilities that it is prepared for like if they if they gave the idea that it doesn't know which one it's going to be but it's probably going to be like one of 10 or 12 possibilities where people end up and it has specifically prepared for each and every one of them and then it doesn't actually have to be that precise as long as it prepares for all of the possible outcomes which is more just a testament to its effort than its you know predictive capabilities the way it should be more believable and also like in like like that would still be a problem like no matter what happens it has probably gone through the effort to prepare for that possible outcome it's going to be like end game where what we get to see is the entity's ultimate plan will be like man you could have done that so much easier if you've just done this this or this this or this this why the hell did you do this and that's the conclusion is going to be because it's too hard to contextualize all this properly at this point because we know that a lot of it is just a result of the fact they kind of get just trying to get to the stuff they want to get to they didn't really care how they got there and what what is its ultimate plan i'm still really confused about this we'll find out i think world domination well it already has that i know there's a much more the most effective way of making sure that no person finds your key is to use your control of national defense to launch the nukes and wipe all the people out i mean that would do a job i guess like it's funny that it has basically that capability but the people in that room in the beginning of the film don't really behave that way they're kind of like yeah it's it's getting out of control i'm gonna have to see if we can do anything about this these keys they might give us control of it it's like guys we could all be dead in a minute i'm gonna be feeling that it seemed to be like chill i don't know that's good i guess stay calm get the job done so the agents have got their guns on ethan but he gets a gun off them and then hands it back and says listen to me everyone's gonna die unless you do exactly as i say i thought this was strange because they need to take him in above or else and they don't have any reason necessarily to trust him considering the job that they're doing if they saw that the train had been sabotaged and they need to sort it out i guess that's fair but they don't actually know that that's happening yet and i guess it's it's top speed and he could say like it's a run away train trust me but you know like i the thing for me is just that wow they could easily have just arrested you been like we're taking you anything enough of your bullshit because um they do go back and get everyone to safety and then later on they try to capture him no matter what you know i just um i felt like they need to be a bit more for that and uh you probably could have done it easily just by having him go with them to the front carriage right they'll be like oh fuck anything's like i'll work on this you get everybody to the back of the train well if you if you build up that that conversation they had um when the the doubts first start to arise but you have that as an hello hello platoon hello to kind of believe and trust him i won't dial the train unless you stop me so you're gonna say that again you you cut out for a bit what was that hello hello hi mauler no i can hear you you're right okay i guess it's a little platoon right yeah because i think did i break up there you are yes you did oh no sorry bad countryside internet is this any better sounds better yeah we can hear you yeah you're good what were you saying i was saying that if you build out that conversation they had when they're you know the first doubts emerge when they start to say well maybe he's doing it for the right reasons if you build that out throughout the film to the point where they're prepared to go along with it just in this moment when he says the train is going to crash come and help me then that's a bit of a payoff to some nice character work in a moral decision that's been invited like that's what we could have used the bomb for at the airport yeah like we think Ethan's the bad guy but why would he turn in this bomb to us that he defeat was able to diffuse and like they would assume that he had disarmed it or something because there's no warhead or something in there or like maybe it wasn't actually was a bomb and he did this something i don't know like you could come up with these ideas and the writing process to where oh maybe they don't even understand the idea that like the the train has been set to its highest speed and that Ethan can put it back to normal in a sack and then run away you know i mean like that could just he could be lying to them but they're just like no i'm pretty sure you're telling the truth and then we'll arrest you later good that this is how it's working out could have gone much worse um so trains barrel in forward and uh Ethan and grace decide that they can disconnect the front carriage that'll go off and it'll automatically start up the brakes you disconnect that further the um the carriage is behind the first one fucking flings off because the uh the bomb goes off and destroys there's a bridge coming up and so it's just doomed and then they break just enough to create a very specific action sequence where each of the carriages are slowly falling off and they have to move through them before they fully fall off like it it doesn't fall off so much that they die but it doesn't fall off like words it's perfect for an action scene is what i'm trying to say when really so many other things should have happened of all the bits of all the things it reminded me of it was the lost world Jurassic Park yeah the t-rex is knock the carriages they very slowly start falling over the cliff but well this one is filled with insane crazy shit um my favorite bit being a character bit the rest of it's sort of just like they'll be fine more than likely um how did he unhook the train with the force of the engine pulling against the resistance of the cars what do they mean exactly because the train because the way that the trains are hooked up they're i don't know he puts like a device on there and then he starts spinning it around like unscrewing something right him and grace yeah like he kicks it down and spins it and she rotates it those threads would be locked by pulling force that might be true i don't know maybe i do not know the mechanisms by which train cars are connected to each other i legit just don't know so i'm not i'm not sure maybe maybe not i just i just don't know i think that's my thomas the tank engine law when all the minecarts roll away like how did they come unconnected there's something i found strange about this right at the beginning is when the first one goes off they try to go into the carriage with the first one but if you remember earlier gabriel locked it so they're like oh shit we got to climb up on top i thought to myself wait a minute didn't ethan is saying the dining carriage like you go to the front and then later when he meets up with her she is at the front how did she get there and then also not realize that door was locked did you understand what i'm saying she would have had to go through that door to get to the front that they have to go back through later and even if she didn't and went around she would have tried that door first meaning she would have learned that it was locked i think so why is it a surprise that it's locked and they're trying to get through shouldn't that be as far shouldn't she know that why wouldn't she have told him maybe she forgot not the best time maybe maybe she didn't want to have ethan worry about it because he's already got a lot on his mind oh good point more of them should do that more yeah that sounds helpful it's very considerate um i when when the i forget what carriage it is it might be the dining when it's like over the edge and soon to break i like the moment the galley uh race is terrified and not not not ready for a situation like this she does a good job daily i'm praying it and i believe it for the character and the the situation like the power levels have flipped so hard now that he doesn't want ethan to leave her like desperate that there's like him her lifeline sort of reflection of how the film has moved her along she's had a big old arc in this film yeah i generally i like this uh the the train sort of escape thing um i i appreciate yeah the acting that goes involved between the two and how they deal with it differently and sort of how they kind of help each other and i really like how even though they go through essentially they go through three trains they go through two and over one each one of them is distinct from the other it's they're not just climbing through the same way each one they have to get on top of the first train and then run and then they have to get through the galley which has all the slippery stuff and it looks distinct and stuff's kind of fallen and slippery everywhere like a kitchen with oil on the floor i think it will um yeah that's the galley yeah i don't know what galley means your train train analogy it's also called that on a ship uh but there you go that there's your cool knowledge in a car a kitchen on a car um galley no that's just the that's just the dashboard where you put your salad together and everything um now then they go through the the blue the blue one right with the piano and by now it's like proper vertical so they have to really climb up it there's a couple of bits that i could have done without i think i could have done without the dangling piano because i kind of like the dangling i kind of i like the i like the i like the falling piano that is held by just a little latch on the bottom to keep it from scooting around i of course he jumps at the last possible moment you know when he's telling her to jump which is like yeah i roll last possible second but i like that that's hanging above them and it is getting looser and looser because it's not designed to hold the weight of the piano just no it's no i i'm pretty sure a single latch couldn't hold the weight of a grand piano for more than about five seconds but um i don't think it was more just a case of like i understand the threat and i think the threat in the peril is already conveyed without the kitchen exploding and without the piano dangling over their heads they have something dangling over the kitchen explode right the gas is connected and it caught fire didn't it there's definitely fire i can't remember if there was explosion i don't think there's an explosion i think just one of like the many hazards that they portray like the hot oil the the gas the slippery soup um all it's it sounds weird putting that in the list of dangers but but you know i i still think that it's you know it's all you know it's all decently distinct from each other as they go through the three cars and i like i do like the grand piano hovering there and it's slowly stretching the little thing and it where on the scale of threat is soup is it near the top or near the bottom of the uh well he sounds good question because it it depends almost entirely on what kind of soup we're talking about here because there's a great difference between um like a chicken noodle soup which could i mean be even construed a stew depending on how thick it is versus like a despacho or something like that so it's it depends on what kind of soup but either way bad news bad news that slippery soup soup belongs in bowls and in my belly it doesn't belong in the floor when i'm trying to escape a train bring what's your opinion of the incredible action sequence i mean there's some kind of like fun stuff happening in the carts themselves but like i couldn't get over the fact that like the carts inconsistently like fall like it seems like the amount of uh there's like an amount of force essentially being exerted on the joints between the trains but they're all different just to facilitate like the drama that's happening in each of the train carts when they probably should have been in one that fell off and then that was it so yeah it was kind of fun stuff happening in them but like i just couldn't get past the fact that like why is this one why is this cart remaining attached to this one for so long when like the last one went like almost instantly yeah i don't know i didn't really i didn't really enjoy it was funny because all the things that have been mentioned i have differing levels of issue with them but dude when when mantis grabbed his hand to prevent oh yeah i was legit like what the fuck that was that part was yeah like where'd you come from how'd you know that they were here you are a strong lady yeah how are you alive yeah how are you alive i i guess it's the getting stabbed in the chest is like this roading is health it's road insurance to your health bar and in that weekend state how are you strong enough to hold him and like how did you even get down here without them noticing you yeah because that's no that's not a small thing she would have had to move from all the way back there to the front and remember all those uh those agents they're filtering everyone forward they'll check every nook and cranny their whole job is to save everyone while having a grief like a serious wound yeah and why i guess the only thing you can imagine is she found out from them that oh by the way ethan and thing but but the thing is she killed all their friends they have a big issue with her they know who she is and they don't like her they really don't like her the fact that she's here bullshit the fact that she's even still alive bullshit like yeah the only reason is yeah bullshit and then of course what is it all for it so that she can tell them uh about the sabastopol yep so it's like essential why would she know about the sabastopol well she she was in the room with them when they were having that conversation oh yeah yeah yeah gotcha gotcha but but it's just like wow without her being alive you're like a dead end like yeah you got the key but you have no idea what it does and there's only one person who seemingly knows who it does and he ain't ever gonna tell you like so and you don't know where it is as mentioned those agents probably would have found um the dead director by the way probably and i mean what's to be concluded other than she might have been a part of it that's yeah that she might even admit it at this point she seems to have a change of heart yep don't know but yeah none of that made any fucking sense the shape yeah um yeah and she sits down to die but uh not before explaining a little bit but she doesn't die because an agent catches up with her and it's like oh i feel a hobby she's gonna be okay maybe i'm just like i wonder how much of a gap do you think there'll be between this movie and the next one and in universe i'm like oh i have no idea uh well what's actually on a big timer right now and a nothing uh and the thing is that's what i'm yeah that's what i'm just in case you can have a finding the sabastopol i think it could i mean we try i'm thinking maybe uh do you think it'll be over or under a month oh well so a big reason i assume it's gonna be over so that we can justify uh mantis healing coming back yeah that's true it's really weird that they would highlight that she's a how would she if they're not going to bring it back i guess yeah but she can be back but in like a because she could let's say they just go she made it and that's nice that's it but i think she'll be in custody so she won't be able to like do any action sequences anyway so i bother like i'm sure she'll be by the next movie everyone can join the imf i think the longer the gap is i think the more implausible it will be because the more real world events will either have to be overlooked written off screen or probably just forgotten about entirely that's the backfire of this the more time the entity has the more it wins because well you know it has it has plenty of leverage it has many ways to threaten people is it giving the cure i'll kill everyone would be one um it can do a huge amount of damage in that time so i i wonder if they will actually have it over a month but the film will feel like it's less because they just haven't done anything i think it's weird too it's worth acknowledging uh because i know that the tunes we want to talk about this i think but it is switch over it doesn't really just you look broadly at the film she's the crazy murderer person who runs through the whole of like several areas she's she's practically ran over women and children right she didn't give a fuck but then she's like wow ethan hunt he didn't kill me what a nice man you know it's like i should reward him for his good behavior but it's like was she not aware that like she's going to encounter plenty of people that don't just want to kill her it feels a little weird it's like that was going to be enough for you to switch what was your investment in all this were you're paid job this is by playing up next time playing up the idea like we did with salt and pepper about the whole like who should we give to you know who should we give this kind of power to and what happens to me if this plan comes a fruition that should be littered throughout the entire movie and how all the characters like deal with that so that we can at least try and set up reasons why certain characters might do certain things like swap allegiances or something i think i would have tweaked the the earlier scene when um gabriel turns around and says you'll betray me because he saved your life i think i would have cut that entirely i would have had him try and kill her because she's overheard the important information and if you combine that with the fact that ethan saved her life then she has a reason to turn coat it wouldn't be very good reason it would be a better reason than we have yeah i was kind of thinking about that earlier we're like she when i when i asked how she knew i was thinking oh yeah why would he let her overhear all that he would tell her to go outside or something right so she can't hear he'd want to be the only person who knows this like and the entity would give orders make sure no one else i mean ideally not even you but make sure no one else finds out we would be like why would the entity have allowed her to be in the room it should have anticipated that she might learn something that would mean you'd have to get you know i mean like this variable is the problem with it every decision that leads to a negative in any way for the team entity should have been avoided with how much it how insanely powerful uh it is sometimes sucks yeah uh she has a pulse they're gonna get her to a hospital i assume and um tom cruise has to leave on his speed jute or something and it can only take one so grace gotta be left behind but that was kind of the original plan anyway because he told her to stay to ketridge that she's willing to accept become an imf agent i thought that was really funny because he could have just been like you're under arrest but i want to be an imf agent he's like that's great you're under arrest yeah well people in hell want ice water so i don't know what you want me to say man we've got so much to fucking ask you about ethered about the keys about the fuck all of this shit this was insane we you you're in trouble you've been a naughty girl well and yeah it ends with ketridge saying this key brings you a new challenge ethan the world is counting on you good luck and by the way your usual insubordination will not be tolerated yes i don't even know what time this is your last warning again um and that that's i mean you kind of just doubled upon it that that's the end that's mission impossible dead reckoning part one yay uh i mean hey before we do conclude the Tory thoughts chat what do you think what are you uh what do you think you think it's incredible do you think it's do you think before you say your opinions chat say you've seen it or not seen it and then dash and then your opinions so that i can because i know some of you have but a lot of you haven't um yeah let's let's do what we got here that's um a bad mid seen it bad you know oh they didn't have an opinion they've seen it hey man i've been there i still like it a lot i haven't seen it confused pretty good to be honest masterpiece i've seen it oh we got a little too many to read now i haven't uh oh plans have been foiled seen it all right good sounds a wee bit on the wombo site fast approaching multiverse amandas and the flash levels of bad how about that i wouldn't go that far i mean it's there's no multiverse in it for a start so it can't be quite that bad it's time travel for that matter still a high tier of like an all-knowing ai gets you in trouble all right and stuff not as bad as multiverse fun but flawed seen it enjoyed it seen it had two screenings booked and cancelled my second one well okay um i guess who wants to go first about like sort of how they feel about it as a whole after all that i mean it's like deeply flawed yeah a lot of problems a lot of problems and a lot of missed opportunities too which almost hurts as much i just can't get over the it's it's the ridiculousness of the premise i think that just makes the entirety of the rest of it nonsensical um there's some really good long fun action sequences i can see a fun film in there somewhere but every time you have to go back to the stakes and the premise and the villain and the villain's actions and capabilities and none of that makes any goddamn sense the entity is something that bleeds throughout the film causing all kinds of issues but even if you got rid of it there's so many other issues that uh that are just general like man this is probably the worst dialogue in all of the mission impossibles i've come across maybe except two um which is so bad like to say like too is awful uh and like heavily disappointed how could this come after fallout what happened yeah i'm incredibly disappointed uh yeah i was expecting a lot better it's very jumbled it's stretched out it feels like the a lot of people are other scraped over too much bread absolutely a lot of people are hoping i guess that part two makes all of this work just like i mean let's get real it probably won't but like i don't even think is that what part ones are supposed to be films that we go well i yeah i don't even know how we feel about that idea right a lot of people i'm included in this claim fellowship as their favorite law of the rings movie the first one i do it's my it's my favorite i don't need the other ones to make fellowship good fucking brilliant i don't know and there's only so much you can fix so yeah there are certain open plot threads which need to be resolved and that there's more work you can do with some of the characters but in terms of like people who are already dead and the basic setup of the villain and inconsistent abilities i don't think any of that's going to be fixed by a part two the main thing is going to be more of the the nature of the savastopol and what happened there and then what the entity wants and what we can do with it ultimately what's what's ethan going to do to it because you know i'd be surprised if it's the we get both keys we put it in and he deletes it or kills it whatever that's probably too simple they're probably going to want something different to happen a little bit more complicated yeah i would imagine that they wouldn't do that that just does sound too simple and you know we're going to find out all about this past that ethan has that i'm not looking forward to because i'm really annoyed that they didn't use their actual past how many film franchises get to fucking seven entries that's crazy use it the first one was eight years ago history use it use your history come on make shit up why would you do that um yeah and then of course there's ilsa who got completely fucked over in this film yeah the villain like gabriell is like incredibly lame and stupid compared to says solemn lane holy fuck lane and uh walker yeah and that's two of them the same movie you got two awesome villains this film ain't anywhere near as coherent as uh fallout fallout rises above mission impossible as a franchise in much in the same way a lot of really good individual entries to like franchises i love fallout i'd recommend people watch it you don't need to see any other mission impossible though you should probably check out rogue nation i guess if you want it because fallout hits a bit harder with that um yep but i would never recommend this i'm sorry this is incoherent very hard it is it's like well wouldn't you recommend the action season like i'm so sorry but maybe you should go to youtube's clips for that at that point well i mean if it's like a huge portion of the movie isn't action scenes i get it it's like this room godzilla oh well the action scene it's like so it's right at the end and there's like a substantially larger portion of the movie that isn't the action scene humans being stupid as fuck but like i don't know is that yeah i guess it's just lame that it's like yeah well i enjoyed the action it's like yeah but i mean we've seen that you can have great action and a good story as well possible and it's possible in this franchise it was the last movie why not do both why well yeah why not do both isn't that it's possible doesn't that tend to be a pretty important how could it be worse how could it be worse if the story was more coherent and the action was good you know like all the all the a lot of the great um action movies that were made even you know decades ago they have good characters and writing in them and they have the really cool action and it helps the something to last fall out will last yeah well you know but then again it seems like uh i don't know something i get a little bit concerned about is like damn do we appreciate fallout for the same reasons like do we or do we not i don't know i get a little bit concerned especially like if someone was saying like that this film is as good it'd be like damn because like i don't know it seems like on its face that it's uh it's just not it's not the same it's not the same and in a lot of ways it's similar in terms of you know like the filmmaking like cinematography acting composition like soundtrack you know sound design and everything but like in terms of the actual storytelling itself it's yeah it's not the same thing and and fallout's not the same as rogue nation either it's just it's just this it's this strange sort of film that somehow managed to come to be yeah and it has a lot of positive will because it's well there's the difference factor is one thing i think if you'd had a decade or more of almost nothing but action films this one would probably not stand up to as much screen or wouldn't it wouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt just by being different um because it wouldn't be different so there's an element of well at least it's not cape shit um also at least it's not preaching anything at me also uh at least it's not your generic girl boss story also tom cruises says nice things about fans like there's all of these other things that i think predispose people to be charitable toward the film this is probably the best time for this film to come out is a way to put it yeah pretty much it's just that i think if you really compare just on the story level there's a huge amount in this film which just replicates all of the flaws we're used to seeing in say the superhero meta this temptation to always blow up stakes and having comprehensively big bad guys and it must be the world that's at stake it can't be a personal story too much and who really cares if character decisions make sense like a lot of it is not that dissimilar in terms of story structure and pitfalls to the mcu stuff but because it doesn't look the same and because it says nice things to fans sometimes i think it's probably going to get given a pass much more than it perhaps should it's being praised to i haven't i've seen people say this i mean it's i think it's got a 99 on rotten tomatoes some 99 percent of reviews were positive and i think the meta critic is 80 this reminds me of john wick four where are similar and it's i don't know i just uh the impression that i get when that's the kind of response that a film gets is not just yeah no i i mean i really enjoyed the action scenes usually what that represents in the broader conversation about these movies is people saying no it's not just that it has cool action it's like a quality film um i feel about fallout i think fallout is a quality film i think that's yeah i think that fallout is quality um but i don't know it's frustrating when it seems like you know the takeaways yeah it's a great movie and then when you start talking about the storytelling sort of run away from that back to well i mean i like the action scenes and stunts it's weird because well mission impossible with all these silly don't you know it was always silly so it doesn't matter that claim really doesn't work very well when fallout is the previous film and it's it plays itself pretty seriously for the most part and it has a really all of more complex and varied layers between all the characters i mean rogue nation plays itself seriously too for the most part it's definitely got some moments of levity in there but it's definitely like especially from rogue nation which makes sense right considering that's christmas quarry there is like a unified tone of trying to play it somewhat seriously better than john mc4 you don't get exhausted from the action which is better this or john mc4 this is better i don't know damn you that was gonna be my answer i'm not sure as much as i appreciate the grace aspect i'm not sure there's anything in john mc4 this is damaging as the entity i i mean the entity yes the entity of being a villain it's the first kind of fucking counters like well yeah because by the time we're in john wick four there's nothing left to be invested in there's no character to describe the character whereas coming from fallout into this there's a lot to be invested in in terms of character i think i'd much rather watch this again than fall out or uh john wick four but oh man i might go the opposite way because john wick four is quicker oh plant because it's a little bit shorter this one takes a little longer to get through well um all right possible well we'll be there for the final entry number are we gonna give it a number out of 10 um the people will be very sad if i don't think people will be happy with that yeah oh okay they know us so well they know what number we'd give it why would we need to do that like we've given you all of the arguments that you guys know exactly what number we'd give it probably a seven do you think seven seven seven eight maybe even a nine possibly ten yeah yeah so yep they uh look at them how about that and wow that was coming up to seven hours jeez flew by for me i think it's because i was just so ready to get all of these this stuff out because like like i told you this this movie was difficult to untangle there is so much that and i don't blame people for this but i don't know that anybody knows who the fuck anybody was working for at any point or what they wanted like yeah what did you get dialed destiny that too if i had asked people after they'd seen this movie who was the white widow working for they probably be like well she's kind of she's like a person who well i guess it was was it the was it the and you'd be like kind of the cia is the answer to that that's who she's ultimately working with and for but she's afraid of the entity and she broke us between everyone that um that feels in keeping with what you were saying as a conclusion that you were kind of forming that people don't really remember the mission impossible films they don't remember them very well it was unfortunate i'm not sure how many people remember solomon lane anymore yeah like if they could yeah or like what his goals were or how he conducted himself i think most people change between rogue nation and fall out most people remember henry cavill don't think they're gonna remember his name no and and yeah yeah it's it's like you remember the most prominent set piece from the film seemingly and even then yeah i don't even i don't know it could be interesting to see how they play that in part two as well like the fact that you can get away with people out not paying too much attention and i think it's probably understood that they don't expect people to pay too much attention to what's going on or to remember it i reckon that makes it much less likely they try and resolve all of the many open questions than more well because you're right by the time you know when all said and done is this story this one in total going to be like five hours more than that uh and then expecting people to remember all of those elements you know for the because i think part two comes out next year and i wonder how much everybody's going to remember about uh good old part one i think their shot can come back to back oh okay yeah so two is coming out next year i believe part two all right and then i think that's the end of uh at least on cruise mission impossible stuff go back to the next film the the broker is played by ray winston and then the fans are wondering was she was always played by ray winston that's what it was like in the first film wasn't it that's what i remember i would i at this i wouldn't mind if like if we can't if we can't do fuller again just go to space fight demons whatever i'm just it's kind of or are they wait they're currently filming but then it's i thought they shot back to back i have no idea if the film was coming out next year they wouldn't be shooting now right they would have shot like two years ago well in the strike would stop them from right now right uh i mean if if the film is in post production i i guess probably wouldn't be no i mean if if they need to film right now then it's yeah then then they they can't do anything everything's come to a halt like deadpool stopped mortal combat too i think stopped like yeah everything that was actively being shot right now is stopped well how how much money is this film made it's opening weekend how's it doing a whole bunch probably uh apparently the initial projection for its first five days in america was 90 million and now it is 78 million so it's down from what they projected by about by about 10 million dollars i really like um i really do think that if this script was as tight as fallouts that it would make more money i think it does matter i don't see how i don't see how it being better would mean that it would do worse if it had the same action well if someone was to say it'll do the same because people go into mission possible for action it's like i really do believe the idea that when you have that kind of character work that people get more invested in the action i think yes of course do people get less invested when they care about the characters i care about i don't know well it's just like look at john wick at this point the character shit is just hilarious you know it's you just sitting there like you can make more money if you wrote it properly just say it oh man oh what what happens if what happens if this film underperforms compared to on a 300 million because it's yeah 300 million dollar but 291 million dollars well budget it'll get that second one and then they'll end it i guess oh well i mean the second one happens no matter what what's the same right with fastx right that that film costs like 350 million dollars right and made twice that which i don't know what that means that they made their money back and then they announced they were gonna make two more films it's like oh maybe they're gonna maybe they're gonna shave it down to one you know like and and finish it off oh oh man huh i guess we'll have to see how this one does well see how it performs if it's got long legs i imagine that this film does knock all of the wind whatever wind there was out of a dial of destinies are sails i think that was a wild wasn't it he's gone i think it's i mean pretty much but this is i like the idea that like this is it's a pile of planks and sails of the water you'd drop a batch on it and it's like like how much how much money has dial of destiny made so far 263 million dollars and this is third weekend right so we're gonna find out soon how much oh dude it's over yeah i think just just to break even it has to go over 300 mil well i mean we i read that it needs to make i read that it needs to make uh just shy of 600 million to break even oh no way no way it's just not going to happen it's not going to make it halfway there and i just saw someone saying i guess we're mission impossible it'll be fine no competitions like i mean isn't barbie and oppenheimer coming out this week yes but i really i know they're not necessarily competing for the same audience but still like they're yeah yeah maybe maybe that won't be as disruptive as i imagined that this was to uh i mean to our indiana oppenheimer will bump it off of a few i max screens won't it but i don't think that uh gonna be a yeah i love the idea by the way that there's like a huge cross section of fans between barbie and oppenheimer i mean i know it's it's i know it's like a funny meme but barbie wins that competition right as far as i'm aware yeah yeah what my money would be yeah i do not know what's gonna happen for the box office with barbie or oppenheimer i have guesses but nothing concrete no barbie would be surprisingly well it would be my guess i think it would be well yeah i think it'll make a lot of money oppenheimer i'm not so sure about uh oppenheimer barbie's ready to be v13 right i mean probably yeah that alone has me curious oh yeah because oppenheimer is all right it isn't it harder yeah he said he want he's got there's some sex scenes gotta be in there so all righty oppenheimer all right and then uh isn't this aren't it so well not the mushroom i thought i'd see you know and then uh and then a couple weeks after that right we got blue beetle blue bill it's coming out in a month right yeah it'd be great oh wow i'm gonna take a guess and say that one will underperform what my old guess why why was the question be like does it make more or less money than shazam because i think that's uh less i think it'll make less um i mean like it's gotta be less right like i don't know i have no idea i think i think the reason i think the trailer is less i think less is the reasonable expectation as well i think so too but at the same time like shazam kind of it was like a foregone conclusion that that film was a joke i don't know if blue beetle is quite got i don't even think it has the notoriety to be considered a joke or really to be considered at all yeah the trailer for those who have seen it is just like this is who was this for this looks like shit yeah this looks actually terrible for a genre that's widely considered to be completely running out of ideas it's probably one of the most unimaginative responses to that criticism it could be funny and it could make like like 50 million if i wake up one day and i was like oh yeah blue beetle it made 56 million dollars total global i'd be like oh and then and then what would i expect you got aquaman at the end of the year and how's that first film inexplicably made a billion dollars yeah how the fuck i don't know i don't know that this one uh i don't know that this one even makes half that with the way that dc is looking and then flash is out on digital this week so you don't make up for all those lost sales people will just be eating up those blue rays and as i understand the flash is going to be one of the biggest box office bombs ever uh yeah i think so and uh as well and they worked hard to do that yeah this back to back with dial of destiny is like man lot of movie not a lot of money to be lost in hollywood and elemental it's not doing well either so like it's a lot of a lot of films this year have failed like a lot of films this year have just failed undeniably categorically they failed they lost money um fuck off it's kind of it's kind of crazy isn't it the only two like runaway successes this year was mario and guardians and even with guardians it's like did about as well as last two so what's the yeah qualified success it's going to be rough as well because i think as recently as a 2021 when more than a third of total box office was marvel on its own and then you add in a few other big marky things like avatar for example which put in inexplicable amounts of money but now that's all sort of going and it was masking a general decline in the box office we all knew that would make a lot of money right uh inexplicable in the sort of uh i know inexplicable is the wrong word yeah um unjustifiable maybe it's it may yeah like it made uh an unfortunate amount of money so it's those three movies like the main successes of the year and everything everything else that was presumed to be a success and mario was best mario was the highest grossing film of the year and equality wise wasn't mario the best of them all you think mario's the best movie of the year wait what i mean of those i mean well what else between avatar avatar mario and well of the ones we just listed that made like a lot of money success wise of the so like avatar guardians mario and what was the other one was there another one you mentioned about big box office successes oh with spider vs no good one i went spider well oh it was mario better than spider vs you prefer marriage do we know yet um what yes i think i do well i don't know i will be willing to figure out what my position on spider vs is once they release the second story yeah i'm not sure how i feel about a bunch of things in that movie just yet um which is probably something worth mentioning like some people might have said like well why would you cover this then it's like well not all part one part two stories are the same they could recontextualize some things in this movie and that some of those could be justified with inferences from this one but i doubt much is going to change and the majority of our issues are still isolated to this film quite a verse there's a very specific and large all-encompassing mechanic that i need the answers on because it not only tells me how things worked fully in the first film but also what every character thought and what they were doing i'm missing a lot of information um so i really don't know what i think about spider vs yet but i'm pretty sure what i think of dead reckoning yeah i think spider vs has a much better chance of being improved by its sequel than this one does i don't know how you retroactively fix a lot of these issues um but i'll check out part two of dead reckoning and i will yeah for the best hope for the best we're almost yeah hope for the best action set pieces i wanted to be good damn it yeah yeah but this little platoon thank you so much joining us for this this insane deep dive into a movie that no one wants to hear you talk about the plot on thank you so much for having me it was great fun as always always appreciated you want to tell the nice people at home what you're up to where they can find you what you've been doing lately yeah i've got a nearish four hour indiana joins five video in the works and i'm hoping that will be out next weekend i'm the only editor yeah for this one i had a friend do some of the audio for me just like cut some mistakes out and things but um yeah and then i'm yeah might try and put out a shorter one for this film we will see and i might try and hire an editor for that one just so i have time but those are the next two things i think oh exciting stuff you uh you've been covering a lot of the giant calamities that have come up here i've uh shortage of calamities unfortunately i've fucking subscribed so many people they're all on my to watch list i've seen a couple i caught up with uh i was up to date uh little it was almost a little mermaid that's where i was and then i got distracted with all kinds of things so i'm gonna i'm gonna get to them listen to your mollusk probably sick of mission impossible right now well you won't be making a video mission possible so i'll be fine on that refer unless you are i don't know i don't want to tell you maybe you hated that much yeah follow your heart or whatever if you have one little platoon if you have one or if you just hate art anyone destroy it when we're on uh open bar and there's a new movie that me and him don't like the audience would be like wow do they like anything like no they don't do things possibly all the time what do you mean but yes also no it's not our fault all the bits where you say nice things about mission impossible fallout that doesn't count the fact is you hate this one and that means you hate all mission impossible i'll tell you this much man if fallout were a bad film i probably wouldn't have cared that much about this one would have been like well there goes mission impossible just another yeah just another in the franchise of basically man bad movies with that one exception but yeah well this is so weird because at that point it would just be mission impossible one the rest yeah go on all this weird shit uh yeah uh rags free anything you guys want to mention uh might have a video out tomorrow sunday but i'm not sure i got some family stuff that'll be happening but i might be able to wrap it up and have it posted tomorrow before i leave in the afternoon and if not it'll be out monday uh work carries on on the main channel stuff in the background um and i'm sort of back in the saddle so to speak on that so yeah just expect some you know dog bite stuff coming out here and there while i work on the big boy and one day that'll be out i think i'm working all right just that's all i got uh i will say since we're around about a month out uh the anniversary is on the 22nd but since that's a tuesday this year it's going to be the 26th and uh round about now is where i'll start trying to organize all the different things to do with it and it's worth mentioning i suppose since yeah it's a month and three days uh the 19th everyone the 19th where i will release next video gonna be um more than likely around about five and a half hours been tooled on every single day by uh myself and frie um been been a large project they have been working very hard on it um most of you will be able to guess what it's gonna be maybe next defab maybe next defab i'll tell you it's definitely happening at this point a little secret or longer yeah longer if you think about what it could possibly be but don't get too crazy excited you're going to be like what i tell you you'd be like oh right yeah okay probably um but yes uh probably five and a half hours it's not quite finished but it's mostly they've been nightmarish to edit but i think you'll you'll you'll really like the editing of this one we've we've got some crazy different sources all over i know i'm looking i'm looking very forward to seeing it um so yeah that'll probably premiere on that day and we won't have an efab because we're still one ahead and we still got we recorded another meme fab so that's going to go out at some point um good memes by the way this will be good memes for meme fab don't miss it so that's just crazy good well obviously super chat catch ups are on wednesday we're still trying to get them done and we've got uh been cool on the way i guess i can't say much yeah it's yeah it's something pretty cool on the way i think some cool stuff some cool things something new not so new maybe who knows say this for anybody who doesn't already but yes the what i'm referring to on the 26 will be anniversary the our fifth year of efab which means uh boy 24 hour stream i'm gonna be doing all kinds of things all kinds of guests hopefully little platoon shall join us well i'm pretty sure i'm around yeah he's been pulling his weight around here on efab so we'll get his big graphic phone have you done that before yeah i have seen you guys play and i have always wanted to but i haven't also my drawing skills are abysmal so oh good oh and then and like tiny penises and otherwise i'm basically done excellent tiny penises uh tiny penises all right then well that's that's about that uh thank you all for joining us uh hopefully you enjoyed the breakdown even though i'm sure yeah everybody loved this film except that's okay good memes and we will see you in the next thing that we do whatever it may be yeah everybody you guys have a great day and wait wait we gotta do the thing do the fringy do the thing oh yeah mission accomplished