 Happy New Year and welcome to the Advocate on Plus TV Africa. You are reminded that important conversations are among the necessary truths for a saner society. Today I am talking about the legacy President Buhari is looking to leave once his tenure comes to an end. Helen educates us on the need for monitoring applied behaviour analysis services in Nigeria. Edwin Edwards is here to tell us about the silent killer in our midst. And finally Elijah brings up the never-ending discussion on gender equality. As always your panellists are here to share ideas aimed at provoking thoughts with no holds bad. Stay with us. Visualizing the emerging legacy of President Muhammad Rubuhari. When asked what would be his legacy during a rare interview last year, President Muhammad Rubuhari knew well to concede that responsibility to Nigerians, even though he begged to be assessed fairly. As the administration enters its final and usually least impactful spell for obvious reasons, many Nigerians are supposed are gearing up to exercise that responsibility. Until his historic victory as the seventh democratically elected president of Nigeria in 2015, the then-general Muhammad Buhari was the best president Nigeria never had. Such was a wide perception held of the man until he was assigned what was easily his life's ambition, presiding over Nigeria as a democratic leader. But between then and now that hope and optimism that encircled his persona in a way to despondency and disillusionment. The reason is not far-fetched. For a man that ran a popular campaign around the tri-port of stamping out corruption, decimating Boko Haram and economic recovery, it is crushing for Nigeria and Nigerians that under his watch, Nigeria has failed worse on each of those indices. Some have argued that the worst form of corruption in a multicultural setting like Nigeria is presiding over an exclusionary government that appears to alienate people of other ethnic and or religious persuasion. Yet that has been the order of the Muhammad Buhari regime. Despite being a former military general and leveraging same to content that Nigeria will be safer under him pre-2015, we have witnessed in Nigeria with shrunken territories due to the activities of non-state actors in various parts of the country. Boko Haram has not only defied decimation, it has arguably grown with the splinter cell, ISWAP, proving even more deadly. And as one travels from one region of the country to the other, a new wave of insecurity is met. Banditry in the north-west, sessionist tensions in the south-east, militancy in the Niger Delta, Boko Haram insurgency in the north-east. The economy's core card doesn't look good either. We are slipping into the poverty capital of the world according to the global poverty clock under the administration, being the clearest evidence of that. As we begin the new year, with time no longer on the side of the President Muhammad Buhari administration, the question then is, will some, if not all the above, become the defining pillars of the Buhari legacy? From my cautiously optimistic standing, there is no reason not to resolve that poster in the positive. But what do you say? I am going to say these things before I respond to your ideas on President Buhari. Let me first of all tell President Buhari, this is the first time I am saying this to him directly. I don't know if he is watching us. Happy Bede Baba even though he is in areas. So the Lord is your strength. So however I have these things to say, I have been looking for an opportunity to meet with Buhari. If I have one, I have some things to tell him. Let me say it now. You talked about the three things, stamping out corruption. Somehow Baba Buhari, have you noticed that most of your policies are like train a wee baby with the bat worther? You want to fight corruption, good intention. But most everybody suffer because you want to fight corruption. And then we have another one. The second one you talked about remind me. Economy. No, economy before economy. There is one that is security. Good insurgency, very big one. Yes, we know is a general, a very, very tough general. But times have changed. And times will always change. You can't use the strategies you use during those days as ability to generate them in keeping the peace, to keep peace in this ideological driven situation. Now they said guns can kill terrorists. But education will kill terrorism. So what these people need is adequate education, carrot and stick method. So these are things. It's not only buying supertucano, today we buy supertucano aircraft, this and that, not only that. What are they doing to reorientate the mindset of the people there and why doing the right things. And then the other one of economy. Well, to make Nigeria an economic giant, these policies, you cannot move the economy without involving the youth. Look at what happened during the so-and-so case. The youth were trying to talk to me. They didn't want to listen. The next thing was to punish us by what, burning bitcoin. And thereby, I will not even come to Twitter yet. That was another. thereby disenfranchising us from participating in the global economy. Why must we be only cruel that we think of exporting or importing? Do you know we can actually export knowledge? That's why we have the dot-com era. You can actually be in your room and then solve problems that the company can use there because of our policies. It's difficult to send money outside or even receive what it is. How can you not grow the economy? How? So these are the things you should look at. And number four too, this one is not in the list, I see it as a believer approach. Our president, our dear president is sometimes swift to deal with persons from some certain region when they speak up against the government or when they misbehave. I say no nonsense in general. I speak to send soldiers there or do things to call them to order. But when it comes to giving sanction to countries to to impress this, to enhance this perception that we are truly the giant of Africa. Let me give you an example. It's like found wanting. The issue of xenophobic attack on Nigerians that was 2019 if I'm not mistaken. In South Africa. In South Africa. What did you do? Imagine you were the one that went to visit the South African president. Somebody committed a crime or killed your person and then who is supposed to visit you? You went there for what? Why can't you, I expected him to take a stand move against South Africa maybe by expelling this ambassador or something from the country or something. I don't know. Or another instance. Let me give you another instance. See what happened in Ghana. Imagine the Ghanaian had the opportunity or had the refugee to raise done in Nigerian beauty. Owned by the Nigerian government in Ghana. And then what did the president do about it? The president of Ghana apologised. Why would you do that? We need to say like put a strong message. Have a strong, stop begging. But we could do so in many ways. I love the way he handled the issue of this. There's no courage to proceed in diplomacy. The issue of burning. The bundles from coming to Canada or something. Over the moving over. And he responded. So I should keep it up. But like I said some people believe that it's too late for Bwari to do anything that he has not done before. In the last, that he has just one year. So if he cannot do anything in the last seven years, what can he do now? I believe that whenever a man wakes up this is the day. I will give Bwari a benefit of that. Baba Bwari with due respect sir, please. You have one more year to go. Just try to do the needful. Do something very right. If possible, get young smart guys around you. You must be working with. He's not working with millionaires. There's a disconnect between the government and billionaires. That's why some of their policies are not youth friendly. It doesn't make sense. So Hylin, is there any possibility that we imagine the gas is going to change? For me, I think the total, the whole four years has been a waste of time. Six years actually. Six years has been a waste of time. Personally, because I have not seen every single Chibok girl return home. Simple. I mean, I'm not really concerned about the economy. I'm not concerned about what I'm concerned about. Nigerian parents who have not seen their children in close to seven years. I don't think any Nigerians should go through that. And for that, he has failed for me. Anyway, speaking about Chibok girls, I know some people will say is it Bwari this was during good luck to an attire. It's irrelevant. But the truth of the matter, what I will say is let's learn to take responsibility. Good luck has done his own. Whether he's perfect or not, he made his mistake. He made his error. He made his successes. He made his failures. He has gone. Now, Baba Bwari, what are you going to do with the time you have now? No, but he promised us. He promised us. He wrote in the back of that Chibok thing. That was one of the things he said. That's what made me vote for him. That he and girls were going to go back. I voted for him. I voted for him. I voted for him. It's almost too late. It's almost too late. It's almost too late. It's almost too late. Yes, it's continuous. My hope is the president and his people, the president should take responsibility. They kept it was PDP before. They blame Bwari. Good luck. They blame PDP. They blame the youth. They blame Twitter. What are they blaming again? Cover it, please. Cover it, please. Every successive government blames each of the government before them. For me, I mean, what really upsets me is the fact that there seems to be a lack of strategy for most of the policies. I don't understand the backdrop upon which they are making a lot of their decisions. So take for instance, the amnesty given to Boko Haram. So you are rewarding them. There doesn't seem to be any plan to educate them, to reintegrate them into the society. You've just rewarded them and they've got back to doing the same thing. I just don't understand how that kind of decision could have been made. For me, I'm happy, like I pointed out, I'm happy that when that journalist asks him that question that what do you mean by Boko Haram legacy? He quite understood that it is not for him to call. That is for Nigerians who are going to look back at his, what would be his 80s in government and take a decision one way or the other. Well, I bet to you something like that. And I think Nigerians are quite informed about what this government has done and at the right time, they will paint that legacy. Well, I bet to disagree on that. Baba Bwari, I will advise you like a son. Let me just advise you as a son. Baba, please, you should be concerned about your legacy. Forget about what Nigerians think or not. Do the right things. You know what to do. Do it. And let me just take this for me. Know this and know peace. Get a Nigerian youth. Get good Nigerian youth. Many of them, they could come and work with you. It's just one year. You could do something. Change your history. Change your story. It doesn't matter what has been done in the past six years. If you can do the right things within this one year, even if you cannot do all, do something tangible that would be a build up for the next administration. Well, it's one year to go and then we'll see what becomes of the Bukhari legacy ultimately. Helen is next after the break. The need for monitoring applied behaviour analysis services, ABA. What is ABA? Applied behaviour analysis, ABA also called behaviour engineering is a scientific technique concerned with applied empirical approach based upon the principles of changing behaviour. The behaviour must be significant to the individual, family and society at large. ABA has been utilised in a range of areas including applied animal behaviour, school-wide positive behaviour support, classroom instruction, structured and naturalistic early behaviour intervention for autism, pediatric feeding therapy, rehabilitation of brain injuries, dementia, fitness training, substance abuse, phobia, ticks and organisational behaviour management. Presently in the United States, ABA is a medical intervention and it can only be applied by persons who are trained and certified in the application. With the alliance of other behaviour analysts worldwide, we have now March 20th as the world applied behaviour analysis alliance. What does this all mean? The implication is that if an individual has a neurodevelopmental disorder, you must put in the intervention that is done through evident based practices so that data can be taken to determine the effectiveness of that treatment. If this is not done, the condition becomes complicated and this is where the line between duty of care and negligence starts becoming blurred. Currently, the prevalence of children with neurodevelopmental disorders is 1 in 44 and most of these children are being attended to by unqualified persons or the persons licence are not being supervised. What licences do we have in Nigeria currently? There are three foreign licences bodies currently in Nigeria. You have the IBCCES the BCBA the QABA there is a chain of supervision with all these bodies and this is not being applied. Technicians, assistants, program developers all report to the developer who need to understand that individuals with neurodevelopmental disorders have medical conditions that deserve the most effective treatment and if this is not done we only make the condition worse. These are lifetime disorders and we need to give the individuals the best opportunity for the most beneficial quality of life. It is ethical and morally wrong to keep children with such conditions under the care of quacks and this needs to stop. Individuals with this condition have other medical conditions that are serious and can result in the reaction and the child might die in the care of the school. We really need to stop this practice. It is not fair to the individuals or the parents. Learning supports in schools should be monitored by ABA consultants and not just anybody who has a passion to work with a vulnerable child or group of individuals who have neurodevelopmental disorders. It is quite a lot. We always emphasize what you are trying to say is the emphasis should be on getting people, professionals that are well studied or well trained to handle this issue. It should not just be based on passion. No, I have passion to take your children with special needs or patients with special needs. You might cause more harm than good in the process. Basically now that it is a medical condition the truth of the matter is that if a child gets worse under your care it is really good to prison for it. So schools really do need to understand that these children are really ill. They are medically ill. People see these children as not being ill because they come to school and they behave almost they appear normal. But each of these conditions have come under other conditions like seizures and stroke. Wow. So I want to find out why is most of the body being placed on these schools? Are these boarding schools or day schools? Day schools. If a parent who has a child who has a condition who takes the child to a particular school I am trying to see why the school should bear that responsibility especially when it is not in boarding facility where the child has to be there continuously. That's a very good question. The truth of the matter is that if a child has a medical diagnosis why are you allowing the child in your school Exactly. Why are you allowing the child? Do we even have special needs schools? There may be the odd one but even the special needs schools who monitors them what's the standard or the parameters that the Ministry of Education has said to say that if you are going to set up this kind of school then this is what you should have and who is making sure that they have it. The answer to that is that for the first 1000 days of a child's life with a delay they have to have the opportunity to be trained in mainstream education. Once a child gets to about 7 then you can now start streamlining into special needs schools. The challenge we have is that most parents don't want their children to be in special needs schools because of stigma and kinkling and the special needs schools that we have are overburdened with children that can never be intervened. ABA is for intervention intervention means to restore to an extent so that the impact of the disorder is not going to be it's not going to be a detriment to the child further on in life. You have to properly monitor the disorder. I want to find out it's a very interesting script I'm trying to find out is that a rule for what is the ministry of health doing I think working with any development partners to address this issue because it's quite various this ABA whole concept is quite new to me and I imagine for most who out there it's also very new to them but I don't know. The truth of the matter is that it's not a new concept it's just been taken at a higher level when you go to school and you read special education to some extent you will be taught ABA but the empirical part of ABA has gone out of the same work of school and has now stepped into the hands of medical. For Nigeria purposes it's best for us to start with the ministry of education because they are the ones totally responsible for the school settings if you want to take it through the ministry of health they've got so many other things but we can also approach the ministry of health for them to to push screening so what we've done what we do is that we've done the reverse we are screening in schools to help the children to be identified on time because we can't wait because we can't wait if we're going to wait for the medical profession to take this up then we're going to have that's a long time I think our problem major in Nigeria is number one awareness continue education we are quick to judge, stigmatize and discard number two, inclusion not just inclusion, intentional inclusion from systemic point of view and government reinforcing it you want to build a school you talk about special needs schools it's not even special needs schools let's even assume that you have just a school ఇటఢడంకల가지టటాకవాధాం� warriors నిజ౏ లర్ంపస� glowing ఆమిషికిదకఖమరతాయనడి మాతాననిటాటానిలెసినిండితిల్స్బిసిత్గౕరినినిండిసిపి. మర్స్టానోంయంక఼దలరెకదరిని. పనియ్సధి పనికనినింటికెడి. లాన్ ఆకాలెలూవరంట్ న్నిలినానాకునిందిందానిందానిందిందాన౾నినిందితూడిందాన్ని. Okay, after the break, we are going to go into a very, very interesting topic and I would totally advise you to remain here. Sudden cardiac arrest, the silent killer in our midst. I don't want to sound morbid and certainly not at this time of the year when everyone is in such a festive mood. However, there is a silent killer and though it's not limited to men, it's taken out mostly men of African descent and it has nothing to do with age, physical fitness or even underlying medical condition. Sudden cardiac arrest. While some people may experience symptoms such as racing heartbeat or feeling dizzy, alerting them that a potentially dangerous heart rhythm problem has started. In over half of the cases, it occurs without prior symptoms. In the past few years, a number of prominent Nigerians such as Dijitinumbu, Stephen Keshi, Ibiduni Igudalu, Ugochuku Ehiogu Nigerian born ex-England international footballer to mention a few have succumbed to it and died. Recently in the international arena, the Danish footballer Christian Ericsson suffered a sudden cardiac arrest. Thankfully, he survived due to the prompt attention he received. He is doing well and though banned from playing in Syria is planning to resume his career. Unfortunately, because of a lack of awareness and education, most people in Nigeria are not so lucky. I can talk from experience because my husband died of sudden cardiac arrest in 2014. He wasn't sick. He was shooting pool when he suddenly went down. No one did anything because no one knew what to do. SCA is not the same as a heart attack. Without sounding too clinical in a heart attack, the heart stops beating. In contrast, sudden cardiac arrest occurs when the electrical system to the heart malfunctions. Just like your car and suddenly becomes irregular and blood is not delivered to the body. In the first few minutes, the greatest concern is that blood flow to the brain will be reduced so drastically that a person will lose consciousness. Death follows unless emergency treatment is begun immediately. How can we reduce the risk? Though it usually gives no warning, there are certain lifestyle changes you can make to reduce your risk of sudden cardiac arrest. These lifestyle changes include quit smoking, lose weight, exercise regularly, follow a low fat diet, managing your underlying health conditions including high blood pressure, diabetes, cholesterol and so on. What should you do if you witness sudden cardiac arrest? Immediately you initiate CPR that's cardiac pulmonary resuscitation. If done properly, CPR can save a person's life as the procedure keeps blood and oxygen circulating through the body until help arrives. If there is an AED that is an automated external defibrillator available, the best chance of rescuing that person includes defibrillator with that device. The shorter the time until defibrillation, the greater the chance the person will survive. In the first few minutes, there is actually a 75-90% chance of survival. After that, the chances reduced by 10% for every minute which means in 10 minutes a person could be dead. If CPR plus defibrillation or it is CPR plus defibrillation that saves a person, it's far better to do something than to do nothing at all. If you are fearful that your knowledge or abilities aren't 100% complete. Remember the difference between you're doing something and doing nothing could be somebody's life. The person is already dead or dying so you can't kill them. You can't do worse. So please do something. I must say that's really moved me. I don't know what to say. I'm emotional. But I do... Please, people come and do CPR. I don't know what to say. Hearing it from that point, I've known it for a while and I know when a husband died. It's only when you go through the emotions to recall that a person is dead. You had a heart attack and you're like, so what? But when you really look at what could have happened to prevent it, you ask yourself, did the person really need to die? You know that in Nigeria. We don't even have defibrillators. It's really in places where we should have them. Even in most hospitals, it's amazing. You just go and check out your local hospital. They do not have defibrillators. So what happens? Someone is dying. They don't even try to shock your heart back. But the truth of the matter is that CPR is not part of the medical training. It's done after you become a doctor in Nigeria. So you're saying that some doctors don't even have it? No, it has to be administered only by doctors. Yeah, they're being tortured. Growing up in school, okay, all through my elementary education days, I don't recall ever being put through that CPR procedure. And often I don't know how to do it. It was when, what happened with Chris and everything, that I saw how powerful that could go, how important it is in such situations to save life. So I mean, it's something that has to be, I'll give you an example. Call me to each of your awareness and put the school system, church system, so you can know how to do it. I'll give you an example. I had this training of my own personal staff. One guy, we were doing CPR training. He was there playing up and down, laughing, dah-dah-dah. Another guy, participating. Two weeks later, the guy that was laughing up and down, his mom had a heart attack. He didn't know what to do. The one that was concentrating, his neighbor had a heart attack and he was able to administer CPR. And he's alive today. CPR is something that everyone... That boy will feel sorry. It will feel bad. Especially because he could have done something. He could have done something. He could have done something. And we all can do something. It should start training, education and awareness. If it was intentional, you wouldn't have been able to do that. There was also a genetic problem. When you look at the causative factors, it's a genetic problem. Some people have a higher chance of having history. When you look at all the people that I mentioned, they're all different. Look at Ericsson for instance. You cannot say he had a sedentary life. Most have gone through the highest form of medical training. And then you look at Digitunumbu, who was a sports person. I think that what is clear is that most of the time, when these things happen in Nigeria, people just don't know what to do because they are ill-equipped. They are uninformed and they lack awareness. They start running around. Or worse still, people mill around the person. They're just looking at you, depriving you of the much needed oxygen and not doing anything. Or because it happens so suddenly because one minute you're just going about your business. And the next minute you're on the floor. People are taking on a rest and they just don't know that they should do something. I give an example. I had a very good friend. He died in the gym. He had a small, small, like, you know, and that was it. By the time he got to the hospital he said he had a cardiac arrest. And he was in the gym. Do you know what I cannot understand? I don't understand how. I mean I know we see it in the movies. They always try to shock your heart back. And that's what the defibrillator is. That's the defibrillator, yes. It's supposed to run electric current to your heart and charge it and get it pumping again because it can. It can. We saw it with Erickson. Oh, in Nigeria they just look at you. Oh, he's gone. They never try to bring you back. They never try. And I don't know why. Even the movies, even the Nigerian movies, the same movies. Yes, the doctor will just come and put that thing. When you watch the movie, they will use the electric and most times you see them come back. So you will reflect on what's happening. Yes, but even in Nigeria, as we said last week, I lost my stepfather. He had a cardiac arrest. And I'm very, very sure that if he had gotten to the hospital on time and they had what he did, and he went to a heart clinic, a heart hospital. I think that government needs to put certain policies in place where schools, hospitals, churches anywhere where people congregate. Where a certain number of people gather. I don't think there's any. In our airports, I mean, a general hospital has one. I think that first of all, let me appreciate you for having the courage to see this. You know, it's quite sad you lost yours, but I'm sorry. And he didn't have to die because he was 48. He was young. But you are trying to make a meaning to his death. Absolutely. You shouldn't do anything other than from it. Absolutely. So let's all learn as Nigerians. Let's all just learn to improve ourselves. Let's do something. I think lifestyle is important. I think lifestyle is one of the best safeguards. Yes. Lifestyle changes. Yes, lifestyle changes. This is not spending time to scream in the wind something like this. I don't know about me. Try to... And in all fairness, you know, her sister owns a very good school in Lagos. And every year, in fact, she's like, when am I doing your CPR? When I come and do your basic life support, you know, she's, every year I get her timetable, screaming of the children and first day training. She doesn't... I know it's because of personal experience, but I also do know that it's the right thing to do. It is the right thing to do. Absolutely. Just shortly before you go, is there a particular reason why the men are more prevalent? Yes. Why is it so common and more? Honestly, I don't know. And bear in mind, I'm not a medical professor. So maybe we need a doctor to come and... It's not just like a doctor to come and tell her he's more prevalent than African men. And do you know that more people die from sudden cardiac arrest than any other disease? But we lack awareness. Yes, that's the major natural cause of death in the entire world. And we don't know. After the break, Elijah wraps up this conversation and I'm looking forward to that. So stay tuned. gender equality bill eliminating prejudice in lawmaking. In 2016, the gender equality bill was first introduced to the each senate. The bills seek to protect the right of widows, guarantee appropriate measures against gender discrimination in political and public scene and prohibit violence against women in Nigeria. The bill was rejected by some male lawmakers who argued that the Nigerian constitution was clear on the right of citizens, including women. Biodun Olujume, senator representing the Kiti South, however, reworked the bill and continued the pursuits in the senate since first reading in 2019. After scaling second reading and referred to the senate committee on judiciary, human rights and legal matters, unfortunately the bill was rejected again by some male lawmakers claiming that the bill was against religious practice and that they can only favor gender equity over gender equality. Now, great women and men were recognized in the Quran and the Bible. So, why shouldn't we give anyone equal opportunities in contributing to the attainment of a balanced and progressive nation? More so, no human be the male or female is more human than any other human. So everyone deserve fairness, justice, social, economic opportunities. The strength of a state is seen in her ability to see possibilities parity in leadership of us. It also calls for the need to look beyond biases and utilize diversity to strengthen its systems. However, recent trends and happening have proven that the issue of gender equality mainstream is bound to be swept under the carpet as a particular gender at the helm of leadership is seen as a taboo in some certain areas. In the 21st century, where nations around the globe are searching for more advanced ways and solutions to tackling problems, some are still at the very low of thinking gender equality should not be encouraged. This anomaly begs the following question. What is our future with policies that have no place for gender equality or equality at large? Are we governed by bias believe that some sets of individuals are not fit to rule? What happens to the fundamental human rights which stipulates right to freedom from discriminatory biases based on sex, ethnicity or religion? These and many more are the questions roaming the minds of progressives among us. The issue of gender equality is a universal debate and patriarchal system have big gender equality almost impossible. People are not supposed to be evaluated by the ethnicity or gender but by their abilities to deliver only and if only we as a nation can see the possibilities of equality then we are sure to be one step further in the progress ladder. In conclusion, leadership, intellectualism, greatness has no gender. It could be attained by anyone who puts in the necessary efforts. Gender equality is more than a goal in itself. If it is a precondition for meeting the challenge of reducing poverty, promoting sustainable development and building good governance that's for Kofi Annan, the former UN Secretary-General. God rest his soul. That's a good one and I agree with you on all counts that between the first century we shouldn't be having the kind of conversation that we have in the parliament over the extent to which we are going to include women in mainstream politics and other facets of society. Having said that, I have not read the legislation or the bill so I wouldn't know the angle of dissent or convergence but I understand that whatever the case may be some people are saying that women should not be they should not be they should only be seen and they should not be heard. I think that is so of a notion that the first century should not be heard. It doesn't matter I was watching at the Zira yesterday and I saw that in Afghanistan the current regime there has passed a law that women cannot write more than without having a male guy called Muharram in Islamic context. So that we cannot Afghanistan should not be the standard that we aspire to as a nation. We are a democratic government whereby the constitution as you pointed out in session 42 is the fundamental right of everybody irrespective of the agenda and any form of inclination. So we will continue to advocate to revive that bill and see that eventually it sees the light of day. But that notwithstanding I would like to be devil's advocate here. Have you really tried to work with women in legislation? They are not the easiest people. You say with women? I think that it goes beyond working with women in legislation. I am looking more at what it means, the system as a whole. Especially in 2021 where we have world leaders of countries, heads of states as women. How can we in 2021 in Nigeria still hold such backward views and I do call them backwards and I often wonder what supersedes in Nigeria the country or a religious or I just don't I just don't I don't get it and I think it's I think it's just sad. I'm glad that you're a man and you're the one who is talking about making this case because if we're women people will be like oh it's women at it again so it's a good thing. As a woman I know what it is to have that bias used. For instance I don't know now but do you know that you cannot even apply for Nigerian passport as a woman without either your husband's consent or your father. It's ridiculous in 2000 and you didn't know that did you? Yeah because you're a man nobody's ready to ask this but yes so did your husband your husband has to sign something or your father and I'm thinking okay I'm a widow and I'm an orphan I think that's maybe it must have changed because I've seen quite some but I actually went through it and then if you're a woman and you're trying to apply for your children you have to have the father's consent and that's just the basic that's just the power but you see I think it goes also because of the fact that law and custom are really head to head here. Because you're a lawyer? Yes it's head to head so even when you get an edge in the legal side you have the custom running up next to you and you know changing it but we can't seem to do that but you know what is funny it's funny how in some instances the culture wins because it suits our purpose at that time we're not consistently choosing culture in the things that really matter to the men they're not choosing culture speaking of how this whole thing is is even beyond the Nigerian context I was watching an interview the other day on the same magazine it was Antonio Gutierrez the current United Nations Secretary General so the journalist asked him when are we going to have the first female Secretary General he now said that when we will have the next Madam General and Antonio Gutierrez was he couldn't answer the question so he told him that we understand that this issue is also in the United Nations and that we will continue to see how we will continue to see it was worse in Nigeria it was not just in some countries in some countries especially where religion plays such a role since we are playing the religious card the Bible and the Quran mention prominent women that had expressed leadership so they should stop deceiving them going for that the Bible says that they are neither male nor female sure sure Barbados just had a woman leading them into the future and guess what it was another woman actually had really wish authority to her in Elizabeth it was a woman even in New Zealand the woman understand what's her name again she's doing well in fact there was a survey of countries that properly managed the COVID situation and it was women but let me say something I think that while we are talking about all the things that need to change we must also admit that some things have changed a lot of the bank heads in Nigeria recently they are all women which means that obviously they I mean I hope it's not a political I hope they are not playing to the gallery these women are we are making progress but the problem is that there are some in part of the country some persons from some part of the country are trying to drag us backward while some other parts are moving forward I agree with you but that notwithstanding I mean I know that women in places like Cross River Ogoniland and things like that women are I have a friend she is the leader of the house she is the chief of army staff in a government chief of staff I am looking at this woman and I am thinking how can she because she is a new job woman from Nigeria Delta so I can't imagine her standing there and telling those men to that's very interesting not until our not turn brothers and sister experience this because it's easy for some of them to say we get married we marry off our girls at the age of 9 and then you don't want the girls to go to school imagine the religious police in a particular state we see a smart room from girls seeing is wrong for them this lady moved on she is from Nigeria a beauty pigeon this religious police had to someone her parent to explain why they have to allow the daughter to so it speaks to how this is more entrenched in some part of the country unlike the other part of the country but thank you all for your review well a woman should know her place and her place is in the driver's seat well thank you for your attention why the programs lasted we hoped our conversations resonated with you little drops of water they say make a mighty ocean don't forget the advocacy continues on our social media platform on facebook at plus tv africa hashtag the advocate ng and instagram at plus tv africa like the advocate ng to catch up with previous broadcast go to plus tv africa dot com forward slash the advocate ng don't forget to subscribe to our youtube channel plus tv africa thank you for your constant love and support in the past year yes to another amazing year let's keep advocating for a better society see you next time and happy new year once again