 Welcome to the RF Elements Unlikes to Spodcast, I'm Caleb, we got Tosses over here, say hi Tossos. Hello! And we're back! It's been a little bit, we're going to talk about that here shortly, but before we launch the things Tossos give the good people out there their call to action. That's right, don't forget to like, listen, or subscribe to our channel right here on YouTube or anywhere you download your audio podcast like Apple, Google, or Spotify. Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. Alright y'all, so it's been a minute since we've done a podcast for sure. We've been slacking a little bit, or it seems like we've been slacking a little bit. So really busy summer this summer, you know, work things, personal things, vacation, so on and so forth. So, but we want to get back to you guys. Just kind of give you an update as we wrap up the end of the year here. We're going to talk about Whisper Palooza. We're going to talk about kind of all the stuff we've got going on the background, which have been kind of quiet, but big things pop, big things pop. So lots going on. For sure, for sure. So I guess first thing, let's talk about Whisper Palooza. We just did that about a month this show ago. So great show as always. I feel like this year felt like a little more invigorated, I think, than maybe last year, right? So. Definitely, definitely. A lot of excitement in the year. I mean, you know, a big part of what's been going on is the perpetual sort of wait for six gigs. Right? It's like, all right, it's coming. Q2, Q3, Q4, spin it around. But supposedly. 2022, 2023, yeah. Maybe not 2024, so. Supposedly sometime in December, right? I'm not quite holding my breath, but it feels way closer than it's ever felt, right? Yeah. And it seems like the last few gigs that the Feds are running through, we're kind of running in parallel instead of serial, right? So, you know, if there's a hiccup in one thing, it's just not going to stop the whole process. So, now if the government shuts down or the FCC does FCC things, you know, it could get pushed some more. But it seems like things are real. They're going to be happening soon. I think that's led a lot of the energy into the space this year. I think the clarification as to where the whole bead thing is going, you know, because it was announced last year and there was a lot of, I don't know, turmoil or not knowing what's going on. I think the view of things now is a lot closer, right? And we can say, hey, this is a thing and we're all worked through it, but hey, maybe not so gloom and doom as it was before. Now, what are your thoughts? Yeah, no, no, absolutely. I mean, there's definitely a lot more clarification, I think, is the best way of saying, you know, what's happening with everything as far as six gigahertz goes. Yeah, it definitely seems we're at the finish line now, right? Because there were so many questions about, you know, will it or won't it happen? We know that it's pretty much going to happen, right? So that's a closed chapter. You know, who's going to support it? You know, we know now that Cambium is, you know, one of the major players. Tarana obviously announced air six gigahertz. I guess Bamosa, you know, has six gigahertz ubiquity. Seems like they're out from this go around, right? As far as equipment goes. So it's kind of clear now, you know, what hardware platforms you'll have for wireless. So you can actually, again, plan because, you know, before all the clarification, everybody's busy thinking, well, am I going to switch to fiber only, right? Am I going to, you know, continue to do this hybrid thing? And if I do, well, who's hardware am I going to use? Right. So I think a lot of those chapters have been closed now, and therefore we can move forward. And then again, with the whole AFC and the FCC thing, now that the AFC is in full testing, I think that really solidifies it's going to happen. So now again, I don't see it shouldn't take any longer than let's say Q1 2024 is my prediction. As far as the latest that'll happen, but it's pretty much right here. It's at our door. And I mean, we're excited for sure about that stuff. For sure. For sure. So we'll sing the final countdown song or something like that. But yeah, you know, it's hard to make it's hard to make plans. You know, when when operators are talking about plans for deployment, I mean, this is not what am I doing next month? I mean, it comes into it, but it's about six months, one year, three years for the plan. And when there's so many unknowns, like, you know, it's like, all right, we'll sit in the old pattern until we figure out what's going on. And I think most of those gates have cleared and we're ready to start making some progress. So I see a ton of demand for the Cambium, you know, gig stuff through a lot of people have been testing it. Gears getting in place. People are testing the six gig Toronto stuff. So, you know, everyone's just ready where we can flip that switch and start making some money. So yeah. But yeah, good show. I think there was something like 2000 people showed up which was which was really nice. So energy is good and everything else is good show for us. Specifically, we announced a whole new whack and new toys coming up soon. So I guess now's a good place to see and talk about. So I guess really the first, the biggest attention grabber, I guess would be the announcement of our six gig horn line. If you want to talk about that a little bit. Yeah, definitely. So we're definitely excited about that. Again, it's something that is, you know, currently in the manufacturing stages. So I mean, a lot of what's been going around or happening in the background specifically with us and this stuff is that, you know, we're, you know, we're constantly innovating, right? And what we're doing now, what we've been spending a lot of energy on is innovating the manufacturing techniques for making words, right? So the innovation now that we're bringing to manufacturing of antennas or specifically will really allow us to broaden the range of products that we offer as far as frequencies. Also broadens the range of, you know, manufacturers, right? That contract manufacturers that can make them different parts of the world where they can be made. So it's not really, you know, bottled necked out to one way and one place to manufacture these things. So it really helps the industry, not just specifically us and the new technologies. I mean, again, you know, we actually have a concept, you know, for a 2.4 giga tour, which is something people have asked for, right? So again, it's, it's pretty big, right? It's going to be thick. With two C's. Yeah. So it's, so it's, it's different obviously, but it's, it's now possible to, again, with this innovation and manufacturing that, you know, we're doing and what we've been working on for over a year now, we are able to, you know, bring these larger four factor horns and make them cost effective, like, you know, lighter weight. And again, it allows us to go into different areas. I mean, you know, 2.4 and LTE are very similar as well. That 2.5 gigahertz spectrum and stuff like that, right? So, so there's, there's a lot more possibility now for the industry with horn and tennis bringing again all the, you know, initial innovations we brought with, you know, the absence of suppressed side lobes, you know, good performance, change of chain performance and all the other things that we do now. So it's tightly controlled and a lot better than, you know, what it was in the past. For sure. So now with innovation comes many adventures and many opportunities to learn. We'll put it that way, right? So, definitely. So we've got on our website, like if you got RFElements.com you'll see a big banner for 2023 products and we've got some generalized description and some real basic sex. So full spec sheets on the six gig stuff is not quite ready yet in the product pages, but that'll be coming out really soon. There's a few tweaks and a few things that we're finalizing. You know, we're very confident that it's going to look very similar to what we had at the show, but he has a prototype. But you know, like I said, the cross of T's and dot the I's, one of the things that we have always been really focused on is making sure that our details are technically correct, accurate, you know, all these sort of things, right? So it's definitely a nearer of process, but all those details should be coming really soon. We've had a lot of interest, a lot of people asking. So just know that it is coming and it's coming really soon. Like real soon, not just our normal hashtag soon. Not our joking soon. Real soon. Not our joking soon. Yeah. So, yeah. So, you know, initially most of the interest was definitely in the six gig stuff has been on top of people's heads for a long time. The CBRS horn, you know, we had that mockup prototype. Feedback was really good, you know. Very good. It's going to be sort of a niche product. For sure. You know, a connectorized CBRS solution. But again, we're looking at this because the thing that we're doing is leads it to be more flexible. So we can approach these sort of niche projects and things like that, which is really fun and interesting. So, but the other thing there was a lot of talk about that we're doing now is the four by four, the eight by eight horn arrays, right? Yeah. So we've pretty much finalized them. Details on that super soon. We're about ready to roll with those. So what we're doing there is we're using the existing for five gig anyways, using the existing five gig horns with some really clever mount setup. So you have single point attachment to the tower or the standoff or whatever you're doing. But you're able to run two horns for a four by four or able to run four horns in combination for an eight by eight to support not just the upcoming stuff. So 4,500 seat, right? That's the eight by eight connectorized AX platform from Cambium. But you also can use the three thousand, right? The existing three thousand. We're looking at, you know, just to clean up that, that processor. There's a lot of places in the world that are still using the three thousand or be using them three thousand for a time to come, right? So we've got some really cool stuff. It was really cool to see, like, as soon as you walk into the exhibit hall, Cambium's big booth, you know, have that, that big four horn array around the first pole. So that's cool to see. Yeah. I mean, that was awesome. Yeah. So I don't know, you know, we've been working a lot with Cambium on this stuff. I don't know if you want to kind of go into that some more. Yeah. So I mean, you know, Cambium has been a key ally or partner with our developments for quite some time now, right? So you see it in their radio designs for the past few years now, how they take into account the shape of particular radios or connectorized radios that they make to make sure that they work with the original, you know, EP&P 1000 form factor or the original EP&P 2000 form factor for their new radios that way the same twist board adapters that their customers have been using in the past are still compatible with their platforms moving forward, right? So there's a lot of that happening. There's also, you know, I think a lot of design, you know, consideration at Cambium, right, for horn arrays, right, because that's where things are going. There's a lot of companies who are moving forward with, you know, all integrated patch array type, you know, 4x4, 8x8, 16x16, whatever it might be in the future. But Cambium still sees, I think, the value in giving their customers a choice, right? And it's really what it comes out to the choice of using other antenna solutions, you know, which is something I've always praised Cambium for in listening to their customer base. Their customer base wants to use horn, so they still build radio platforms that are connectorized 4x4 and 8x8, right? So moving forward, again, these things are something that we're looking at and in conjunction with Cambium how we can deliver these types of solutions and even other solutions, right? This is just kind of the tip of the iceberg for how to make antennas lighter-weight and more flexible. For sure. And, you know, that science consideration, especially it brings multi-horn arrays, is really important because it's, you know, it's your EPA, your effective projected area that we publish now. It's your wind load that ties into that, but it's the weight and everything else too. So, you know, I might not say the days of a single horn and a single radio are gone by any stretch, I think we're going to see a time of that, you know, going on in the future, but you know, realistically these more higher-end higher-order sort of systems are going to get physically larger and larger over time and you've got to start taking to look, what's your footprint, what's your measurement method, what's your EPA and wind load and stuff because, you know, the more you add to these, the more you've got to think about what your tower engineering is going to be, right? So, you know, things are evolving. So, you know, for us using a lighter sort of footprint definitely helps a lot in those respects for sure. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And how you utilize the platform as well, I think that's one of the things that excite me the most about Cambium and how they're doing their connectorized array. It's not just about, you know, using you know, any manufacturers four by four or eight by eight array of, no matter what it is, whether it's patch array or it's horns or dishes, who knows, whatever it is. It's also the flexibility that Cambium is putting into these radios to do other things, right? So, you know, eight by eight can be done in what, you know, they call split sector mode, which is something we saw at the 3,000, which is really cool where you know, you can point one horn in one azimuth and another horn in another azimuth still get multi-user MIMO, right? But cover larger areas or whatever in different azimuths with the same radio. The eight by eight radio, the 4,500 C, I believe it's what it's called, right? Which is the eight by eight connectorized, you know, it's going to support a split sector mode, but it's taking it to a whole other level, right? So, not only can you do, let's say four, two by two horns, one north, one south, one east, one west, right? Each horn on a separate pair of chains, but you could also do split four by four, right? So, you can do four by four multi-user MIMO in one azimuth with the four by four, right? And another four in another azimuth, so you can kind of do the same thing, or you can do the straight eight by eight where all four antennas are facing the same direction, right? So, again, it gives you a lot of possibility to be flexible with your deployments, and what's important to me, or what I think is important is it really depends on the density of your install base, right? So, you know, there are some more expensive platforms out there, right? That you have to put all that money in one azimuth, whether you have one customer there, or you have 200 customers there, right? With the Cambium solution you could make that really dense. Maybe you only need one radio for all 360 degrees with four horns, right? If it's really dense, then you can point all eight in a 90 degree or a 60 degree beam and do that, or you can split that radio up into two separate radios and so on and so forth. So, it allows you to grow and be flexible. This is something I really don't think people see this possibility to understand the power of that platform. It's really exciting stuff. Really exciting stuff. For sure, for sure, because like the flexibility in the tools and the toolbox approach just gives you a lot of different ways to scale the cat, right? And, you know, that's really important. I mean, you know, WIS have always been, you know, amazing at being able to use a lot of different things in a lot of different ways. And this, the tool sets that we're doing here with the new EMP line is really slick. And it's kind of funny though, because it's like, why are they still messing? They're asking us for the 4x4 and stuff. They're like, why are you guys still fooling with 5GIG? 5GIG is dead. It's not going to be 6GIG. And it's like, no, it's not. Not at all. Especially the AX, everything I've seen in testing the AX stuff really is able to handle the noise way better than anything before in the AC stuff or whatever else, right? So, you know, there's still a tremendous amount of spectrum available in 5GIG if you're doing stuff, if you're making smart decisions, using horns and things like that, that'll go along with the 6GIG stuff as well, right? Everyone thinks that 6GIG is going to be this perfect tendency of no noise and stuff. And we know realistically, come day one when it's time to flip the switch, it's going to get noisy pretty quick. Now, I think it's going to be more manageable than 6GIG because lower ERPs and people are a lot more educated about how to do stuff now versus the last 15 years of doing 5GIG stuff, right? So, yeah, you know, there's a lot of advantages and stuff to it, but it's not going to be the land grab, you know, there's no incumbency protection and stuff. The AFC basically only exists to keep you from messing with the license links, right? So, other than that, it does not care at all about anyone else in your space. So, the cool thing I did see, so Dimitri posted some information in the forums about, they were doing some testing to see how many available channels there were. Oh, yeah, yeah, I saw that. Yeah, so that was always really interesting because everyone was like, well, you know, in rural areas, 6GIG rules are used for point-to-point because of the further distances, less strain-fading stuff. So, there's going to be no channels. I was, I'm not going to say super surprised, but I was kind of surprised the amount of availability. Like, I think 50, you'd have to look at the post, I forget the exact numbers, but they surveyed a whole ton of size and like half of them had full channel availability, full sizes. And it wasn't, there was a very small percentage where the towers would be kind of hobbled, like where you didn't have much, it would be like, I don't know, very close to towers that also had full availability. So, what this means to me is, you know, it's definitely a consideration with the point-to-point stuff and channel availability, but there's a ton of channels realistically is going to be available. And, you know, as much as people say, oh, 160GIG channel or 160MIG channel, this is what we're going to do, like realistically, that's just too much noise, too much power spectral doing city loss and things like that, right? So, I think really 80s, 40s and 80s are going to be those sweet spots and there's a bunch of channels out there. So, that was refreshing to be able to see that. So... Yeah, I mean, that's definitely something that I think is the next step too, like even with 5GHz and the last generation of hardware, you know, the radios that were out there were able to go to 80MHz and, you know, do 100MHz wide channels, but that really, you didn't see it much. 40MHz was pretty much decaying between 20s and 40. So, here, as we jump to 160MHz channels on this next generation of stuff, yeah, I think it's going to be sliced into 80MHz channels at most, as where you're going to see it. I mean, not only is, you know, 160MHz a waste, it's difficult to maintain. The power requirements, right, to do 160MHz channel changes the SNR requirements, go through the roof. The output power goes into the floor, right, so you're really you're fighting yourself to try and maintain that, and then you throw 4096 qualms on top of that, which is what, again, everybody is trying to do, or they, you know, the Holy Grail, what they want to do for throughput that puts even more constraint on your ability to do that. And at that point, I think it works out to, like, you know, less than a mile or something like that for your coverage area, if you want to do 4096 qualm at 160MHz channels, it's a mile or less, you know, unless you're using huge, huge antennas to, again, build that SNR, you know, might as well do 60G at that point, you know, or something like that. Yeah, I mean, that that, you know, 3060BMERP is not, you know, it's a little bit, it's not terrible either, right, so, you know, it's better than DFS, lower than what you could do in the upper, you know, the Uni3 or whatever, but, you know, again, tools on the toolbox, right, and, you know, some of these connections, even the shorter connections, you know, we've seen people probably doing shots I wouldn't recommend, but, you know, kind of raggedy with front all inclusions or like shooting through some a little bit of foliage stuff, but works on 5G, but you can't get away with with 60, so. Yeah. But, so that's kind of that, I mean, there's a lot of tools on the toolbox, there's been some refreshing, everyone's like, you know, the market's so stale, blah, blah, blah, and it's not moving, but I think what we've seen recently, especially over the last six months, is a lot of refinement of things too, right, so not just us or our particular space, but I mean, well, first of all, 60G, you know, we've got some new players in the field, you know, we got Tachyons out there doing their thing, the ubiquity wave stuff, you know, they've announced some new models, I mean, that's ripping. Some good stuff, yeah. It's doing really well, right, so, and it fits where it is, Cambium and Ubiquity both have 10G G-Pond now, which, you know, they're taking different approaches to how they do it like they always have, you know, there's some really cool tools there to tie in the resisting ecosystem network structures and stuff, and again, be able to supplement the areas that you're doing, right, so, you know, there's a lot of areas where it makes sense, there's a lot of areas where it doesn't, and you know, people will tend to say, well, this is the only way to do this and forget that the world is the country or the state or the town could be completely different, you know, network to network and operator to operator, tower to tower, right, so, right, you know, there's been a lot of those refinements and things I think is really exciting, so you know, this, you know, there's been a lot of crazing that's going on in the last year too, especially, but you know, things for 24 look really exciting, you know, things with funding, competition of stuff is ramping up, people are looking at new approaches to see how they attack, NTIA finally said, hey, GAA CBRS is considered reliable service, like they officially came out and say it, so that means that unless, if you're doing 100 by 20, then that means you can't get overbuilt with bead money, which is huge for a lot of people, so. Definitely, definitely, that's exciting to see. Yeah, they're finally, right, like, it was kind of hanging around, but you know how the good man is, like, you can't just believe a hint, because the next day is like, nah, Sarah. Yeah, the fact that they put that down was really cool. Yeah, I wish they would refine some of those rules as well, because you know, I think, and I could be wrong here, I'm not a funding or government expert here on how these things work, but you know, I think you know, a lot of the deployments that we're seeing are really CYA, right, so they're deploying CBRS to say we can provide 100 by whatever, you know, in these particular areas that way they, nobody else will get funding to overbuild them, but they're not really providing all that service out there, so it's more of like a coverage area protection than anything else, right, so we'll see how that works out. Yeah, I think it'll work out pretty well on me, and now that they know that they can rely on it, they're going to be willing to actually build out those networks because they know they're not going to be overbuilt. Yeah, yeah, so. A lot of different ways to skin that cat. There's been, there's actually been some progress in some areas at least about, you know, actually saying, hey, wireless is an option, you know, in the beginning it was mainly a fiber push, right, and I think there's a lot of not necessarily federal government, but a lot of the smaller governments are like, look man, like we know that this is going to be, you know, a show, so there's a lot of areas, especially rural areas, people that understand what it takes to get bandwidth to an area that are saying, hey, you know, wireless is a thing. Ohio's a lot of made a lot of attractions, some stuff in Michigan lately, so that's really reassuring that, you know, and again, more of the, hey, this bead thing's not the end of the world for the West space, it's actually opening up a lot of different potentials and opportunities and stuff like that. Yeah, and it's still something that gets me so frustrated, you know, because it's this whole fiber thing, you know, fiber, fiber, fiber and I agree, I mean, fiber's fantastic, right? But you know, this is really about using taxpayer dollars in a smart way to get internet to everybody now, not in the future, they need it now. I mean, and, you know, nobody really talks about like, you know, the, some of the fastest growth this industry had for adding subscribers was during COVID, right? There was a race, everybody had to work from home, everybody had to had internet. And how did everybody get internet back there? With wireless, it was reliable, people were working from home, right? People were going to school from home, doing all these streaming audio, video things, things that are very important to be reliable, it was all achieved with fixed wireless, right? So, I mean, the fact that, you know, the legislators out there want to say that fiber is the only thing that's reliable, that 6 gigahertz can't be considered reliable because it's whatever, is just absolutely stupid, right? And it really, obviously you can tell it pisses me off because, again, we were able to do it without government funding, right? By, you know, pulling up a bootstraps, going out there and building these networks, and everything was fantastic. But, yeah, you know, nobody really talks about how that was achieved, you know, back then. So, I don't know. What do you do for me now? Oh, Mr. Bribeman with the bribe, I mean, not bribe money, it's a campaign contribution and stuff like that. I guess you put in a different colored envelope or you put a seal on it and it's totally leaking, right? So, I don't know. There's still, there's areas where we're making some progress there, right? Which is refreshing here because the more that snowballs, you know, the more that the rural folks are like, hey, we have an opportunity to boost our economic base by actually getting operators out here and deploying, you know, the more they look into that, especially as the country as a whole is shifting, you know, it'll always be sort of urban-centric, but there's a lot of places and a lot of people, like, look, we're tired of the urban or, you know, super tight suburban lifestyle. We want to spread out a little bit more because there's a whole lot of space out there. So, yeah, definitely, definitely. All I'm going to say is that Wisps saved America during COVID and getting everybody online, man. And that's something that every Wisps operator out there, whether you have 100 subscribers on your network or you have 10,000 subscribers on your network, you should be proud of yourselves for achieving that with your own money in a quick amount of time and keeping America working, man. So, God bless all of you, man. 100%, 100%. So, let's see what else do we want to cover? Try not to get into our normal sort of ranting, re-hambling, rabbit trails and stuff like that. So, you know, that's the bulk. Again, we've been working on so much stuff in the background. We've not been super vocal. We've not been throwing a lot of content up. We've not been bantering as much and stuff like that. But, you know, we just want to say, look, man, we've been busy. There's really big things coming and we're really looking forward to the next year. It's going to be really exciting stuff. Yeah, I mean, the market's just been evolving and you have to evolve with it. So, that's changed in many fronts, right? Not just about the technology, but how you run your business. I mean, we can see the distribution channel is changing dramatically right now as well, right? And then there's, again, the products and what we didn't talk about and that's when we didn't have Wispapalooza, but it's in our new product sheet. It's now larger dishes, right? So, people have been asking us for some time to go beyond the 27 DBI gain that we have in our current ultra dish, right? So, again, we have a 30 DBI version that's coming out. We have designs obviously for higher gain beyond that, I think a 32, 33 DBI and so on and so forth, right? So, we're definitely, again, pushing, you know, the manufacturing and how we make antennas on the parabolic dish side because I think that's something that's, you know, again different about our antennas versus antennas that are out there and we bring that same kind of, you know, philosophy on what's important for an antenna as far as the parameters go. It's not just about having the highest gain, it's about having flat gain across the entire spectrum that it operates in. It's about having good VSWR across the entire spectrum. It's about having, again, balanced beams, right? You got to make sure that the vertical beam shape matches horizontal beam shape as close as possible so that way you get good chain-to-chain performance. You get good and stable modulation rates. So, again, we're bringing that, again, you know, to the forefront of dish technology and now we're expanding the gain there as well. So, that's something that's really exciting and it's something that the industry is really going to need because, again, these wider channels at these higher 4096 and even 1024 modulation rates will require more gain on the AP and even CPE side of things in order to deliver that benefit. So, that's pretty exciting, too. Finally. 100%. So, the mechanic side of that plays into as well. You know, how you hang it, how you hang it and stuff like that. Like, you know, we've all done cheap dishes and just complete fuss and especially on the CPE side of things where, you know, you were so tied into being able to turn over in time, right? You had to be able to move, which is super important. So. Yeah. Yeah. So, that's something that's important and still, you know, still something that we always have to look into is, like you said, the user experience is how I like to call it of how it installs, right? Making sure it's as easy as possible with as little, you know, fuss and the amount of tools, screws, nuts, bolts, washers and everything that are required to do that. So, that's all still there. Yeah. It comes from 10 years of making itself and screwing up plenty, right? Screwing up? Yeah. I mean, you know, we've always been vocal. We've never, you know, suppressed that information. We've actually always called for it to come out because that's the way you make it better. But, man, we've made a lot of mistakes along the way, right? And some of the designs, we thought this was a great idea. We put it out there and, you know, you let the user base break it, right? And they show you how to make it better and, you know, we constantly do that. So, I think we're out of quite now where our design is pretty dang solid, you know, so. Cool stuff. Well, I think that's really about all I've got in the cover right now. Anything else on top of your list? No, I mean, again, you know, it's, it's, it's, we're coming into wintertime, right? So, you know, it's kind of sad because it seems like, you know, the, the wireless side of the market has been kind of picking up, right? But I think it's about to slow down again because it's winter, right? So, a lot of people aren't going to be deploying a lot, you know, when it's slowing out, it's cold out and ice and all the other stuff. So, that's kind of sad. But, you know, hey, the holidays are upon us. So, TitanFest, right, is you know, a few weeks away Thanksgiving is what, next week, right? Jesus, happening so fast. Depends on when we publish this, right? Exactly. There might be a little tiny, whiny things that play. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So, so again, you know, the holidays are upon us. TitanFest is right around the corner here, too. I think, you know, so Christmas, New Year's, men, it's just, I'm ready for 2024 to be here to happen and to really start moving forward, you know, with the next next step, right, in wireless. For sure, for sure. So, this will probably be the last podcast for the year to let everyone know. So, we'll get them cranked right back up again right after New Year's. We're looking for guests, you know, as much as Toss and I can sit here and relax poetically to ourselves and listen around voices. What we found is really the most useful sort of engaging conversation and more useful to people out there listening are the guests because, you know, we look at back at all the lists we talked to, you know, the last 30-some-odd episodes or whatever. We had a lot of guests and you know, everyone's got their own different approach. Everyone's got their own different way of doing things and, you know, sometimes, mostly we agree. Sometimes we don't, but that's where the fun part of this conversation comes from. So, you know, if you're looking, hey, if you're interested, you want to talk about your Wisp or your Fiber ISP or your combination or what you've learned, you know, all these things that might be interested, reach out to me or Tossos and, hey, we'll set something up because, you know, the guest versions of these are super informative and it's something that we want to focus a lot on next year. Yeah, definitely, definitely. And beyond that as well, you know, we're actually looking for beta testers and for customer feedback is something we always want. So, if any of the products we talked about and we'll be talking about them more here in the coming months, but if anybody is interested in any new products, go to our website, RF elements.com, and on the front page you'll see new products, basically a new product announcement. At the bottom of that page you'll see a link there to sign up for beta testing of, you know, all our new products, whether it's 6Ghz Horns, CVRS Horns, the new dishes we talk about 4x4 and 8x8 Array. So, all this stuff is on the table. Go to our website and sign up for a beta testers thing. Give us some, tell us some information about a deployment, something that you want to test and if it's a good fit for one of these new products, you know, we'll get you a sample sent out and you know, get some testing going. For sure, for sure, you got to the contact page, fill out a ticket there, you can email, tell us directly, what's our normal sort of sign out group, how do they find us? Sorry, a little rusty, a little rusty. You can find us anywhere on social media, right? So, all over Facebook and the main WISC groups, you can find us on our website, rfelemens.com in our forum, rfelab.com or you can email Caleb or myself tossos at rfelemens.com or Caleb at rfelemens.com we're not difficult to find and we're very easy to get a hold of. For sure, for sure. So, all right, well, that's going to wrap it up everybody. We hope you have a great end of 2023. Happy holidays and all that. Hope that your 24 takes off and we will be talking to you guys then. Absolutely. See you guys in 2024. See ya! Bye!