 That's it What are you doing everyone? We will start the meeting by asking our city clerk to read a quote of the week Thank you. Whenever you do something act as if the whole world is watching. Thank you very much Call the 21st regular meeting of the Common Council order Adam city clerk. Please call the roll Born Boke Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittlesen Clowness Meyer Montemayor Rinflaich Ryan Suric excuse Vanderweel excuse for hassled and wangaman 14 present Cormis president this time. I'd ask all the Decker to lead us in a pledge of allegiance. Please rise. I Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America Into the Republic for which it stands one nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you all my Decker Approve the minutes president Thank you, mr. Mayor. I'd make a motion to approve the minutes second motion and second to approve minutes under discussion There is none all in favor say aye. I any opposed Motion carries minutes stand approved Mayor's appointments attorney McLean. Thank you, your honor Hereby submit the following appointments for your consideration for the government structure committee older persons Heidemann Rinflaich and Vanderweal Michael Ipam Michael van der Steen John Hill and Gerald Jones signed by the mayor There's a note here at somebody wishes to spend is that what the witches are or otherwise lies over I don't Vice president boring Thank you, your honor. I would make a motion to suspend the rule and approve the appointments Is there any objection No objection. I wasn't aware that there was a note there, but I was going to ask for suspension We do intend to meet already on this wednesday. So we will need to have suspension in order to do so. Thank you There's no objection to suspension. I need a motion to confirm the appointments Motion second any discussion on the appointments All in favor say aye. Any opposed Motion passes appointments are confirmed Tom brickley to be considered for appointment to the business improvement district to fill the unexpired term of ritchard grinky whose term expires 9 10 2010 signed by the mayor This lies over Angela Payne to be appointed as director of human resources and labor relations commencing february 16 9 and expiring february 15 2014 this lies over. I will have a bullet point Description of her qualifications educational background and all that if anybody wishes to see any more detail I will need to consult with the applicant because of privacy and human resources matters Okay All right, thanks. Mr. Mayor if we want to take you up on that. What can you email? Are you comfortable emailing that? Okay, very good. Thank you Okay Rebecca tellen to be considered for appointment to the wellness committee to fill the unexpired term of william adams whose term expires 430-09 Need a motion to confirm Second any discussion All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed motion carries appointments confirm Tracy holton to be considered for appointment to the group health insurance committee to fill the unexpired term of joanne decker Whose term expires 4 30 2009 Need a motion to confirm also Second motion and second under discussion There is not all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed motion carries appointments confirm And to the business improvement district cleo messner randy schwerer katlyn brotts greg herring dawn seaford and kim conway Need a motion to confirm Motion and second under discussion There is not all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed motion carries appointments are confirmed Thank you attorney mclean Next item on the agenda. Madam city clerk public forum. Thank you first on the list this evening is henry capitillo And henry could you give me your home address, please? Yes That's uh 16 19 north 38 street And that's the town of sheboygan Okay, and you will have five minutes sir, okay Thank you for the opportunity to come before this council to speak on several issues that I believe are critical to the stability of the community This last week brought even a further decline in the u.s economy a decline of 3.8 percent in the d gdp The total loss of jobs for 2008 was 2.8 million The stock market's losses are estimated at seven trillion dollars for 2008 An additional estimate loss of seven trillion dollars were due to the decline in the housing market This is the reason why our washington lawmakers and the president are pushing for a 780 billion dollar stimulus bill The american recovery and reinvestment bill This stimulus bill is estimated to create between three to five million jobs The bill will include funds for infrastructure projects funds for the states and job creation In this last week state of the state address governor dole estimated the state deficit to be between four to five billion dollars The following day the office of the budget estimated the deficit to be more like between five to seven billion dollars Governor dole also stated how important it is to get people back to work That is why he has created the wisconsin recovery and reinvestment office He has appointed gary wolfer former We energy ceo and alan fish uw vice chancellor to head the office It is estimated that state of wisconsin could receive between four Between two to four billion dollars from the stimulus bill Mr. Allen fish uw chancellor estimates that these funds from the stimulus bill could Potentially create as much as 70 to 80 thousand jobs for wisconsin Mr. Gary wolfer has said that he decided to accept the appointment because people have asked him in the past Why the private sector does not get more involved with helping government? You may ask why has governor dole created an office for a bill that has yet to pass to us senate Have you heard the saying the early bird catches the worm or it is better to be prepared Then then you get the idea behind the governor's actions He knows that the state will be better off if they are ready to start funding project as soon as the bill is passed Therefore taking advantage of the influx of federal funds and maximizing the impact of these funds on the state's economy As i have previously stated to this council This administration is not seriously looked at job creation job retention And job expansion Just this last month coler company announced that they were going to lay off an additional 160 workers jail french company also announced that they are also going to be laying off 350 workers Adding the 350 pent air jobs also being lost and other layoffs in the city that brings a total of 900 jobs I think that the council should follow the governor's lead And be prepared to deal with the declining revenues and future job losses The council should consider establishing a special special committee That sole purpose is to look at job creation job expansion and job retention Do not wait for for further job losses You can be better prepared to deal with the trouble economy and future potential job losses by being prepared I believe that this committee should be comprised of private business representatives local bankers and council members The establishment of this committee should be by the council and not by the mayor because he may not be in the office after this election It is my opinion that city of shabuigan will feel the influx of this administration for years to come because of the mayor's committee appointments Just look at the mayor's appointment to the police and fire commission I am sure that you all read the article in the shabuigan press about the email That police and fire commissioner richard shusha sent to various individuals regarding a meeting with the mayor And the fire department union rep and alderman Montemire instead of creating such a controversy You would think that the commissioner shusha would be busy trying to get the nine police officers Hired that the council approved at their last meeting I am sure that most of you also read the art the letter That was sent to that was sent to alderman wongerman by officer winters Regarding the under staffing of the police department Even with the nine officers that this council approved during their last meeting The police department will still be short nine officers I would ask Commissioner shusha and other police and fire commissioners to make it a priority to replace all the patrol officers That are needed to be hiring before looking at feeling filling the police chief position I would also hope that the police and fire commissioners would give the acting chief the opportunity and enough time on the job To see if he could permanently fill that position. Henry. Would you like your additional minute? Yes. Go ahead Another statement that the governor made was that when lawmakers work together they can accomplish great things I believe that this council can also accomplish great things If they also work together to make sheboygan a good place for business to expand and thereby creating jobs And i'm pretty sure that most of you know people that have been laid off I was talking to a friend of mine that i've known all since high school He works at a local paint company and he said you know what, henry? This is the worst i've ever seen it and i've worked at this company for 25 years And he says You you just can't believe What you're seeing now and he says it's not just our company. It's other companies in the area and i think that By looking at this and taking the initiative to actually getting contact with some of the local Manufacturers in the area and not wait to find out that they're going to be laying off more workers and trying to see what Can be done. Maybe you might be able to help them in some way Thank you Next on our list would be richard manny Richard, can I have your home address, please? 3822 north 12th street sheboygan And you will have five minutes sir. Thank you Your honor city attorney mclean city clerk richards Council members residents residents watching on tv. Thank you for these moments I speak tonight on behalf of the board of the friends Of the senior activity center of sheboygan I've served as board president since may of 2008 And i'm here to inform you about what's coming Through that board And to invite you to be involved Through the chaminist group from milwaukee We will be conducting a needs assessment survey as we move ahead in our plans for the future Of the senior activity center So some words of background first before I formalize that invitation to be involved Over three years ago the commission on aging In looking at itself decided that we needed to be proactive and make some progress and make some improvement And they invited the friends to hire a consultant and the friends agreed And paid for boris frank to come and be with us for over eight months In that time we put together a report and found out much about ourselves and did some organizational development work That was productive Over two years ago boris stood at this podium And basically summarized his findings about the city Our seniors and the activity of the center He said seniors in sheboygan are underserved He said the center itself is an inadequate facility That many towns of half or third our size have a center with twice the number of square feet He said the staff is stressed to the point of breaking Because they work extensively with limited resources And he said the city lacks the will or the ability To adequately fund for senior center activities As a result of his work with us The commission made a decision to move ahead aggressively In building for its future By spending no further dollars But building program through the use of volunteers who would offer their abilities and time for the sake of the seniors in sheboygan Since then the senior has grown markedly in program offerings and numbers of people involved And wendy schmitz The director of the center will be telling you about that in a port to to be given in the near future So i'll bore you with details in that capacity The second thing that we got active about was the friends organization It had diminished in number to 12 In the last 15 months we've reactivated the friends board so it's no no longer a caretaker board over its endowment dollars But it's a proactive board that's moving ahead to make the senior center what it might be We've reorganized re-energized and redirected ourselves And i'm proud of the people on the board and of the significance of what that board has been about and what we're attempting to do A long-range planning committee has met for the last six months As a consequence of their work And evaluation we have contracted with the chaminist group from Milwaukee To conduct a needs assessment survey for us To make that successful We need your involvement in that survey It will perform 35 individual Interviews with key leaders across the face of our greater community It will structure three forums numbering 40 to 60 people each And that will include people from across a broad range of perspective in our community And we will have a hands-on survey and hard copy and available by email Through which we can invite all of you personally to be involved in giving us feedback and information We have a vision about that center's future That vision reflects national trends things are changing Not only are we growing in numbers of our seniors i'm one of those i'm now 60 But we know that that senior population is healthier Wealthier and retiring earlier than our parents generation The future of senior centers reflects incredible things all around the nation I won't go into detail about tonight But they're things that you've never considered before that are possible and feasible for shabuigan as they are in other parts of the country Excuse me, richard. Would you like your additional one minute? I do Go ahead So we want you to be involved Corporate leaders, please say yes. I'll interview I'll respond. I'll take 20 minutes and talk to a champions group representative business leaders social service agency leaders People with perspective on your constituencies say yes and come to a forum in march on the 10th or 12th You'll be getting an invitation And then the rest of us personally, please Jump online city website simple connection Give us your feedback Be involved in the survey with all of that the future is great the center represents volunteerism Which extends our dollars spent? Many times over it's the very best of government And we have a future that is As significant as is the generation coming up and all the time we have Not me All the energy we have all the background and ability. Thank you be involved Right on the dot. Thank you And last would be jeff shuko Jeff can I have your home address, please 24 11 camelot boulevard shabuigan? Okay, and you will have five minutes. Thank you. Mayor praise attorney mcclean. Mrs. Richards council members and citizens here at and at home I also appreciate this opportunity to speak before you And I wanted to just comment Throw a comment To your way your honor. I I have noticed and I haven't spoken to you for some time now, but I have noticed Over these past couple of years that we did manage to build a police station and fund it We also managed to reduce property taxes along with your help from the council And those were promises. I remember being made pledges being made and and they were kept. Are you sure you're a politician? This is refreshing At any rate, uh, that brings to mind why I wanted to appear here tonight also because We are in very serious financial difficulties now and a lot of jobs are being lost And I've been watching what's been going on with our blue harbor development A lot of good work being done uh It seems like when these things do take time, but Some of the extra events that have been added down there help However, a lot of the businesses are really struggling. I haven't seen the edson Pull up here yet and and get docked here the aerospace museum I have met with mr. Testweed and he showed us that facility and their progress so far And through a remote control flying club that I belong to We're not only going to continue doing volunteer work for the rockets for schools program But we're also going to do flight demonstrations for the museum now I think it'd be a great if the city Citizens council members everybody would maybe redouble our efforts and getting some of those projects going down there And I did notice, uh, some major expenditures now going on with uh Say for instance Joint dispatch two million dollars for that. I think that's a great idea. I really do in the long run. It's going to benefit everyone Uh, I Also noticed a million dollars being spent I believe possibly for backup dispatch at the police department and I thought hey wait a minute the edson In winza offered the bridge of that ship for use In emergencies. Why don't we take some of that funding and get that ship up here? And we'll put the backup dispatch right on the armor plated bulletproof glass bridge like they offered It may save us Some money and besides that The money's being spent dual purpose then to really kick our tourism and gear. It's just a thought Aside from that, uh, I did keep track of and I do represent my company Which is great lakes avian pest control just so everybody knows up front. I'm biased But uh, we did monitor the abatement program that was Enlisted down at koanis park last year and I at the fall of the year I got complaints from parents saying that it wasn't any better And I but we did monitor their program. I believe the goose police out of ohio or somewhere were called in and uh I could see from the very beginning that this wasn't going to work It was kind of a waste of money But I also wanted to let You folks everyone know that there's a solution that can be employed I could probably spend twice the amount of time down there that the goose police did for the city here And I don't blame the city for going to someone that's established because that's oftentimes smart business too But I wanted to let everyone know that since then we have taken our abatement programs to other communities and the city of kewani being one Being one community where the parks They're they're They're frying areas their boardwalks. Everything's been cleared out their beachfront their marina their riverfront The whole works and what their public works department found is that they're saving so much money That the abatement program is more than paid for itself I also turned in a listing of uh, a number of businesses that have a concern here with Having to hire firms like me now to do migratory vertebatment on their roofs and facilities, especially where the fda is involved They don't take kindly to that sort of contamination It's costing these businesses a considerable amount of money businesses that we need to keep and I just uh I had been told by a a couple of these businesses which belong to the shabuagan county area chamber of commerce that They would like me to make a petition. They'd be willing to sign So I did that and I turned that over to the shabuagan county chamber of commerce So perhaps the council and the chamber of commerce could look into a solution And I just wanted to make mention of that that there are options people weren't happy with what had happened down there It is a very unhealthy situation That I can testify to and I wanted to just let people know that there are alternatives And uh, that's all I have for this evening. Thank you all very much. Thank you, jeff We will proceed. Thank you, uh, those who addressed the council tonight Next item on the agenda is a public hearing It's a hearing regarding the report of assessment for improvements for repaving of indiana avenue from south 14th street To south 17th street. Is there anyone in the audience that would like to address the council? Ma'am, please That's okay, go ahead Excuse me, ma'am. Could I before you start could you just give me your name, please? Okay, and donna what is your address Timberline, okay All right, go ahead When this was approached on indiana avenue, they said it would take exactly Two months and plus the night before said, oh, that's fine. We can get through that. You won't hear summer months Now we're going to mean a week ago and they tell us they're going to take the whole summer to do three blocks And i'm concerned as to who made that decision when you offer up something as a bid for a job Don't you get take the lowest bid on something like this? You know, why can't it be done in two months at the promise in the beginning? It's taking the business has been rough going because of the economy and everything even now We're starting to get above it. I'm not supposed to be telling this get above board And now coming down that we're going to be charged $12,000 I really don't mind the fact that the the city wants us to pay for the Will to be done, but why can't they help accommodate especially businesses of ours such as They give us one lane to get in how is the same way to get back out? How are you? I don't understand how you people plan this Can't you are isn't it a law that you have to give us access to our business? Is it who answers that? I don't want to answer questions today No, this is it We can get those questions answered for you though tomorrow. Okay. I will personally have somebody call you tomorrow and talk to you about those issues Okay How about how about Wednesday? Better yet, ryan, please make a note of that ryan. Wednesday. Thank you That's all that I wanted to say today. Okay, thank you for listening to me wonderful. Thank you very much Is there anyone else that would like to address the council on the hearing on the assessments? Is there anyone else? Would you please come up there? Thank you Can I have your name, please ma'am jane donat? And it's a d-o-n-a-t-h. I'm sorry d-o-n-a-t-h and your address jane 1421 indiana avenue Okay, go ahead There was a letter in the editor in the shabuigan press yesterday And I don't know if everybody's seen it or maybe some did but I'd like to read it um After receiving a letter from the city of shabuigan recently I felt compelled to let the citizens of shabuigan know how a certain ordinance affects me As well as any other residences and businesses along indiana avenue between 14th street and 17th street And how it may affect any of you who live in older neighborhoods in the future As I am sure anyone knows who has traveled indiana avenue this past winter There is a big upgrading being done to the sewers utility street side box and so on Those of us who live here have had to put up with a lot of inconvenience as well as a huge mess the entire winter And it is to continue into the summer months as well Now the city wants to charge me and the rest of the residents and businesses An assessment for this work that is being done This is in accordance student ordinance, which has been on the books for some time Which was instituted by the common council and enforced by the city development and planning For me the cost will be up to five thousand dollars I happen to be a widow on social security and working a part-time job To keep my head above water because I have to in this economy I live in a hundred year old house I drive a 14 year old car Now the city is going to make me help pay for an upgrade to its streets at a time when the economy is worse than Any time since the great depression The residents are not the only people who use these streets Residents should not have to pay for public works projects. Thank you. Thank you, jane Is there anyone else that would like to address council? Good evening, sir, can I have your name balladiano? Okay, what is your address sir 1525 in dana avenue in dana avenue Okay, go ahead. Yes. I got uh one like that took excuse me from my english I bilingual and sometimes my english doesn't come come out too good Seven years ago My sewer lines broke in the middle of the row And it cost me four thousand dollars It wasn't my fault But I think it was part of the maybe the city's fault But not advising people that goes with heavy trucks through the indiana avenue Because when they first built that row they said there were no blueprints When they built they went I think by what they could see And they said the main water line Too close to the sewer lines That by all those heavy trucks that traveled through there Especially like semites they go through color from color to shibuygan Plus all those heavy loads that went through there To carry the stones and rocks to the marina when it was built There were the ones that cost more damage to that Sewer line that I had to pay for And I wasn't helped by the city. I had to pay all out of my pocket Now seven years late, uh, I had uh, now they want me to pay again another close to four thousand To rebuild the same Think there was fixed before When I'm already going on 11 years that I've been Uh disabled not able to work My my wife got a job, but she worked for You know minimum wages that doesn't amount too much How am I going to do to pay? I asked the The other day that we had the Meeting with this fellow friend And he said the city Borrowed the money at seven percent, but how am I going to pay it back? I still owe five hundred dollars out of those four thousand that I first borrow How am I going to be able to pay that? That's that's my question Thank you, sir Thank you very much Is there anyone else that would like to address the council? Is there anyone else? He he got something to say to me The gentleman would like to address the council regarding the public here. He's not able to speak English Tell them when here we do translation Or him and I will Could I please have the gentleman's address? Maurilio what? Maurilio Vañuelos Maurilio Brown Maurilio Maurilio Vañuelos Vañuelos? What's your name? Vañuelos Oh, Buñuelos, B B B O N N B O N N Okay Okay, I left 1510 Indiana 1510 Indiana Okay, go ahead My question is that Uh I'm at work I'm in a very low income income It's too low If you suppose Repel the house there It cost me more than $7,000 There's no way to pay $7,000 He's uh, he's unemployed because he's retired He's retired and he said he doesn't have the money What he gets from such a security is it's a very small amount He and he won't be able to pay It's too low My income is $7,000 a month He can pay $7,000 My wife is in Nezajón This is the one I asked for In Nezajón it's very condesional My wife, yes Okay Everybody understand what he said? Okay Thank you Gracias, señor Is there anyone else that would like to address the council? Is there anyone else? Is there anyone else? Before I ask for a motion to close here And I would just like to point out that uh This is another instance of where We've we've had people come before the council and Pretty much testify of the the hardships and The the ordinance has been in place for a long time. It's been applied fairly and equitably Uh amongst all Every time it has been people haven't been happy streets have been repaired It may be time to revisit this particular ordinance if nothing else to just have a good candid discussion Times have changed the economy has changed the people leaving and living in these neighborhoods or aren't young people As you've heard some of these people are just Not only physically but financially just unable to pay. That's all there is to it Uh, I would urge uh suggest and urge alderman meyer to perhaps put that item on the agenda for discussion Alderman kiddison you may want to initiate some of those discussions and nothing else. Let's hear people out more And bring the issue up Forward if nothing can be done then nothing can be done, but uh, hopefully there will be good discussions Yes I just would like to say I did attend the hearing Ryan was there. He gave an excellent presentation on it And and we there were at least 25 30 people were were there And and I just want the citizens to know that that we are concerned for them And and that we are a resource and and a listening ear And we would like to try to do everything that we can to help them And you know, I mean that sincerely and if we can put that issue on the public works agenda Let's let's work together to to see what we can do to come up to to help our citizens. Absolutely. So, thank you Thank you Alderman one of them Thank you your honor in fact, uh, the lady that read the letter is the one that called me at home and There's a great deal of concern on indiana. I don't know for the people Uh, we're in a really a rough time here We're looking at a different era and I had a long conversation with Alderman Gisha about this before the meeting already and We're going to do some investigating and looking into this to see just what can be done Because there are true hardships out there. We've got good people who can't pay And uh, this is a difficult situation and I think the city has to step forward and try to help them and do something for them Uh, in fact, even the, uh Interest that the city charges I think is in question and we should take a look at that and maybe extended payments or something We've got to do something to help these people and uh, I believe it's Disorders has been in the book summers around 30 years and there are cities that don't do this my After I remarried after my wife's passing away My wife came from california and she said out here They don't do it that way they spread it across the entire tax base and they feel it's much more equitable Not long ago. I had a good friend of mine who lives up on North 7th street in your memorial hospital And he's an elderly gentleman and they did a complete rebamp up there And he was hit very hard with his bill and so are some of the other people So I think it's time that and especially in these hard times And I think everybody agrees it's not going to pass away today They're going to be with us for a couple of years and there's something the city has got to do to look at these people and See if we can't help them in some way. Thank you Thank you everyone and it will be not just this neighborhood but future neighborhoods that perhaps compel us to revisit this particular issue And look to see if what the ordinance calls for now is indeed fair given the times the serious times that we're in right now Um, I would urge that the other members of the council who are concerned to also work with the public work committee To at least initiate the discussions and then take it to another level from there Thank you very much appreciate your input I need a motion to close hearing so president Thank you, mr. Mayor. I'd make a motion to close the hearing second motion the second to close hearing any discussion All in favor say aye. Aye any opposed motion carries Consent agenda 21-1 to 21-14 President hannah Thank you again, mr. Mayor. Uh, I've moved that all our rows be accepted and placed on file And all rc's be accepted and adopted second motion and second under discussion There is none. Please call the roll Warren bauk decker geisha Hannah Heidemann kittleson clayunas meyer montemayor rinflash ryan Verhaselt and wangaman 14 ayes motion carries communications and petitions 21 15 through 21 19 to be referred Report of officers 2 21 20 by the city clerk Submitting in compliance with resolution number 220809 the sustainable shabuigan task force Wishes to report on its activity thus far allman clayunas any motion to accept and call Mr. Honor, I move to accept and file the report second motion and second I would like to thank allman clayunas for the hard work. She has been doing the report Very good. Thank you so much All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries 21 21 through 21 31 to be referred 21 32 through 21 33 Lies over and those are resolutions introduced three 21 34 through 21 36 to be referred of committee 4 21 37 by salary and grievances Recommended creating subsection d of section 29 96 of the 1975 shabuigan municipal code Establishing the annual salary for the interim police chief and passing the attached ordinance First reading all moment of my order Thank you your honor. I ask for suspension The motion and second suspense is your new objection I would imagine the rationale is because chief iron needs to get paid at some point. We need to say word exactly He's been waiting for a check. I believe Okay, is that uh suffice? Okay, please proceed. I move that the rcb accepted and filed and the ordinance be put upon its passage Motion and second any discussion There is none. Please call the roll Raul Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Clayunas Meyer Montemayor I Rindfleisch Ryan per hassle Wongaman and boron 14 eyes Motion carries 21 38 by salary and grievances recommending accepting and adopting the tentative agreements to the 2007 2009 contract between the city of shabuigan and the IAFF local 483 firefighters and passing the attached resolution All in montemayor Thank you your honor. I move that the rc be accepted and filed and the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion All in rindfleisch Thank you, mr. Mayor. I see that the agreements is from 2007 2009 Yes, we just asked for a Briefing on what changes to the tentative agreements are that we're looking at So we're two years into this agreement. That's what are we doing for the last years all I'm looking for explanation Luckily, this is a Something that won't cost us any money Two things the firefighters will now be asking for their vacations by seniority And we're going to add another cycle of Vacation time so that it can be spread out a bit more So it's two good things and doesn't cost anything Thank you anything else There is none. Please call the roll decker Yesha Hannah Heidemann kittleson clay unis meyer montemayor rindfleisch ryan per hasselt wangeman boron and bow 13 eyes one no Motion carries report of committee six by 21 39 by law and licensing recommended denying taxicab Taxicab driver's license application number 81 14 Based upon the applicant's failure to include all relevant convictions on the taxicab driver's license application Failure to cooperate with the committee and the record of violations related to the licensed activity alman Where are you here? wangeman Thank you. I moved that the report of the committee be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion Under discussion your honor is craig felton in the chamber tonight He's not here your honor. Thank you. Please proceed Mr. Felton had applied for a taxicab driver's license, but in his application He neglected to include Approximately 17 different violations that he was Apparently forgot or whatever and He was invited to attend our committee twice The last time by registered later. He did not respond Of the committee then voted unanimously to deny the license Thank you, alman wangeman any other discussion There being none, please call the roll. Gisha Hannah Heidemann kittleson clioness meyer montemeyore rinflash ryan bruhasselt wangeman boron bulk and decker 14 ayes motion carries 21 40 by law and licensing Recommendant denying beverage operators license number 22 63 Based on the applicant's oral withdrawal of the beverage operators license application alman wangeman I moved the report of committee be accepted and adopted Motion and second under discussion under discussion The applicant kelly velard called me at home and said that she wished to withdraw her application Due to the fact that she no longer was going to be Employed in such a manner that she would need the license The city attorney recommended that we go through a formal denial procedure to officially remove the document from the system And the committee voted unanimously to deny the license very well. Thank you any other discussion There is none. Please call the roll. Hannah Heidemann kittleson clainess meyer montemeyore rinflash ryan bruhasselt wangeman boron bulk decker and geisha 14 ayes motion carries report of committee 7 21 41 by public protection and safety Recommending referral of the deer management survey to the full common counsel for discussion I think you're gonna Thank you, mr. Mayer our committee I'd recommend That the report of committee be Forwarded to oh, I would hope we get forwarded to the Committee of the whole think we just accept and adopt it and then it'll be a little sure I accept and adopted Is that what you want? Well, I think if you're gonna refer it. Let's just refer it on to my preference would be because I think the public would like a Another forum to discuss the issue and I think committee the whole would be appropriate So just a motion to make a more yeah, so I'll make a motion to refer the The findings to the committee of the whole Motion in second under discussion All about thank you, honor just I would ask president hannah about the time urgency. We have a topic for the next for the next Committed a whole meeting being the pay plan While alderman verhassell is still part of the part of the council. So what's the the urgency if you could do it the next The next time in early march Okay, very good. Thank you, sir. Okay. We have a misunderstanding here. You were saying to the committee of the whole here You're saying full counsel. Yes two different things Yes, you can only need to do that that motion No Pardon me. Yeah, just put in a motion Okay, okay, and the second included that okay anything else All in favor say aye any opposed motion carries 2142 by law and licensing recommended denying beverage operators license application number 81 25 Based upon the applicant's failure to include all relevant convictions on the license application and the record of violations related to the license activity Alderman I make a motion the rcb accepted and adopted Second motion and second under discussion Under discussion is uh chris shoddy in the chamber tonight Mr. Shoddy is not present Well, please continue again. There were violations that were not included in his application and they had The rec relation to the license activity The committee was concerned that these violations among underage alcohol possession of marijuana, disorderly conduct, etc In the after discussion the committee voted unanimously to deny the application Thank you. Alderman wagerman. Any more discussion? There is none. Please call the roll. Hydemon Kittleson clioness meyer montmiora rinflash ryan bruhassel wangeman boran bauk decker geisha and hannah 14 ayes motion carries 2143 has been withdrawn Ordinances introduced 10 2144 will lie over 2147 through 21 2145 through 2147 will be referred Matters laid over 11 2049 resolution number 180909 by Alderman geisha Clioness boran and montmiora Authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2008 budget Establishing Excuse me appropriation for police department vacation and sick leave Severance payments. Alderman geisha Thank you your honor. I move that the rc be accepted and adopted Motion and second Under discussion I just did also the document looks like it's a resolution instead of a report committee I know I didn't want to say anything but uh, it's a motion to put the resolution upon his passage And the second included that Okay under discussion if any There is none. Please call the roll. Heidemann kittleson clioness meyer montmiora rinflash ryan for hassle Excuse me. Thank you wangeman boran bauk decker geisha and hannah 14 ayes motion carries 2050 resolution number 190809 by Alderman geisha clioness boran and montmiora Authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2009 budget Establishing appropriation for contractual engineering services for shamborgan inner harbour Omegisha. Thank you your honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There is none. Please call the roll kittleson Clioness meyer montmiora rinflash ryan for hassle wangeman boran bauk decker geisha hannah and heidemann 14 ayes motion carries 2047 general ordinance number 750809 by alderman montmiora Suric meyer decker and for hassle amending the municipal code so as to include changes to the department of public works table of organization To add janitor and to change the job description of janitor alderman Montmiora. Thank you your honor. I move the ordinance be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion Vice president boran Thank you, your honor. Uh, when this was at the council meeting a couple weeks ago, there were some questions on Which union these uh individuals are going to be under? I noticed it's 1564 asked me city hall union and I guess the question was a couple weeks ago is Uh, who are going to be able to bid on these jobs for these janitor jobs? And I just need a clarification on that of whether it's Whether the existing city hall The unions people are going to be able to bid on those jobs out of the police department Or who's going to be eligible or who isn't going to be eligible? All the montmiora are able to answer who will be eligible to apply I think mr. Bitner will have a better answer than I will Bill is he here Please come up With regard to the two units involved they have dramatic dramatically different hiring practices One basically requires we hire the senior individual That is qualified in other words not the most qualified but The other one The the city hall union the 1564 Basically says that anybody in the existing unit will be given consideration for the job. It doesn't guarantee That they would get the job. It's one of the sort of preferred ways the city hall is much more flexible in hiring The people Guaranteed a look Are those people in the existing city hall unit? Anyone else hired from within the city ranks or not has sort of looked like a new employee into that unit If that meant if that makes sense needless to say under any arrangement here. We're talking about Keeping all the jobs in house because we have more people than jobs right now. So It's just a matter of how how those people get transferred Okay, hold on bill For bill. Yes. Thank you Hi bill if the individuals hired Into the city hall union came from public works Would they lose their seniority from public works in moving to the new union? In theory It's like taking a job somewhere else. They lost their job in public works. It's like taking a job somewhere else But all the people in public work are are are taking Alternative jobs under duress So they have rights to come back to their existing jobs that wouldn't terminate if that in other words I believe it's three years or something like that if if if you were to be laid off from city and not have a job You have a right to come back to the public working unit over a three-year period or recall when a new job is created Our early discussions on that is anybody who would who'd take another job because The budget had eliminated their existing job would be put in that category Okay, thank you. Thank you very much bill We have a motion to put the ordinance upon its passage on the gisha Thank you your honor I'm going to vote against this not because it's just simply a change in the to and working out the arrangement with the units but to draw attention to the fact that this these two employees were employees that Originally in the budget we had set aside To possibly go out for contract services to the tune of a hundred and thirty thousand dollars For two janitors in the police department In reading the job description for one hundred and thirty thousand dollars sweeps mobs and buffs floors Furnishing hardwood surface floors dusts and polished furniture Cleans washrooms collects waste makes inspections washes windows Checks low pressure cuts lawns perform minor maintenance We could have taken this same money We could have gone out for bid done an rfp We could have employed several people in this community for a hundred and thirty thousand dollars instead of two For the reasons previously stated in this council It's not my money this hundred and thirty thousand It's the citizen's money and I think we would have been better served going out to Private sector having a janitorial service For a hundred and thirty thousand dollars to empty waste paper baskets for two individuals is just Something I can't stomach and I think the citizens can't stomach it and for that reason I won't be voting for this Thank you Old milk Thank you, your honor. I'll echo all the mingish's sentiments It's not the work itself This is important work that needs to be done the city needs this work done in order to function The police department needs this work done, but the finance committee voted to hold some of the budget money aside So we could just ask the question so we could ask Could we get a better deal by going outside and getting a janitorial service? And it was the will of of certain people that said we can't even wait and ask that question We're going to take that money and we're going to put in So I I too I'm going to vote against this on the principle that For a hundred and thirty thousand dollars in the world that I live in in the commercial world as an employer I could do an awful lot for a hundred and thirty thousand dollars and We're way overpaying. That's my opinion. Thank you, your honor. Thank you There is no other discussion. Please call the roll Clowness Yes Meyer Montemayor Rindflash Excuse me Thank you. Ryan I'm sorry Verhassell Wongamon Born no Bauch Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson Six eyes eight nose ocean fills 2048 general owners number 760809 by Alvin Montemayor Siric Meyer Decker and Verhassell Amending the municipal code so as to include Change to the city hall department's assessor's department table of organizations So as to make the current assessment secretary clerk The assessment technician Alvin Montemayor Thank you, your honor. I move the ordinance be put upon its passage Motion and second under discussion There is none. Please call the roll Meyer Montemayor Rindflash Ryan Verhassell Wongamon Born Bauch Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittleson And Clowness Fourteen eyes Motion carries Other matters authorized by law 2148 we'll go to finance 2149 we'll go to finance two Other matters attorney McLean 2150 is a communication from Carter Paulus along with an article from the journal sentinel Report critical of Wisconsin officials spending decisions dated february 1 2009 That will be referred to uh finance 2151 is a communication from chuck beret stating his concern about the lack of snow removal from parking lanes in the city more specifically North 14th street from new jersey all the way to richardson brothers lumber And that will be referred to public works 2152 is an aural by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending june 30 2009 and june 30 2010 And that will go to law and licensing Motion to adjourn All in favor say aye Knee opposed Stand adjourned