 What specific advice you have for people who want to get started at the PM career? I think that's a great one and probably it's not an advice advice but just something from my experience. I totally understand how hard it is if you are in school that you do not have that many time but then you have a lot of projects and then you have a lot of connections within the school. You have business school you can go to all the courses that have connection within the industry, head to clients to collaborate with. So go to all of those courses to collaborate and to build up your resume. You can use the course experience as a project you have done and you can tell the story based on that. So for all of the people who you are interested in product management position just tailor and also keep all of the experience tailored to the PM experience and tailor to what the job description is asking and then use that as your self story.