 Before we start does anybody have any additions to the agenda that was put forth? No, and which case I'll start with the minutes from the last meeting of June 28th, and I thought they all look What I remember that happened. I've moved to approve those. I second that. All in favor? All right. All right, and then we also have the minutes from the special select board meeting of July 2nd and that looked pretty Real to me. I'd moved to approve those. I second it. All in favor? All right. Okay and Going right down the list in the departmental reports. Joan, you're here via zoom. Do you want to? Speak up and let us know what's on your mind. What you've been working on? So our first thing is I Left a spreadsheet for you coffee Culver replacement and one of the things that she agreed to do when we had our Pre-kickoff meeting at the site a couple weeks ago was acknowledging the fact that it was a year later and the effects of COVID on the cost of building materials and other things that she needed We had just agreed that We were not going to build a bypass road that she would take another look at the cost sheet that was Submitted with her original bid back in was 2020 yeah, 2020 and See where we stood in terms of the total cost of the project This was something that we agreed to do when the project went out to bid it was explained to all the contractors that They're estimating circumstances as a result of Discuss So I'm gonna bring mine up on the screen My looking course. It's actually I think she did a great job I can't open it don't origin. Who's the she you're talking about? I'm sorry This is the contractor who's doing the naysay And what's her name? I forgot my copy that don't show the glory. I'll see you that G a b o you are I'm sorry, I can't break up my screen now Yeah, I'm probably doing something cool. Yeah Martha just needs the company name GNN is the company market a letter G and the letter N Okay, so You'll see the bottom line All the way over to the right-hand column the percent of change and then go down to the bottom under total To keep increases depth to a total of 1% Which I think is great This cricket looked at it as well and she was also impressed with Michelle's ability to Keep the increase down so low a big part of that keeping that down was Our decision to close the road instead of doing that bypass, right? Absolutely. You're absolutely right $1,700 we were been worried about what the culvert was going to cost because it's a big culvert And you know those things can be very expensive. That actually was the biggest One of the biggest increases you look down about the middle of the page Item number 601 point oh three four two that's up to end something or other is the culvert And it did go up 20% cost But there were some cost-saving well the rest of the Things I did go up were pretty minimal So the first increase of three hundred eighty dollars was for granular backfill hundred and fifteen dollars for Flying bait and crushed gravel and that's it or so the rest Mostly were pretty small the next one down the forty three hundred sixty-five was for pavement and I think you probably already experienced what's happening with cost of pavement and Paid the contractors generally You didn't increase No, she didn't increase the traffic control category Which was in there already and I'm going to get to that in a minute what the plan is for that So I just wanted you to see this and then to ask if you would Approve this so that I can get back to her and tell her Where we can do a contract amendment to incorporate this new cost estimate Well, it's not an estimate. It's basically what it is So without without the the bypass road in there actually is a 7% increase Which is reduced by the amount of the bypass road to a 1% increase Correct so so we needed Movement to approve this New proposal new cost structure or is this just informational No, well, it would be quite our contract contract amendment. Yeah, so I felt it best that From this far, I think for you know, we're pretty lucky. It's only three thousand dollars more than what we thought it was going to be Yep, I'm good with that. Yeah Seconded long favor Okay, so we'll um Put together that amended contract Yeah, all right, are we sticking on the three-week time thing are we putting anything in for If it goes to six weeks instead of three or I don't think we're gonna adjust that at all Are we I think we're gonna leave it at the three-week? Yeah, yeah the three-week limit And it's all really firing on whether or not the culvert is available If the culvert is available then we're we're staying with the three-week closure, right? So we'll be longer in three weeks, right? They aren't gonna start until they get over right exactly So they should be three weeks in the three weeks according to Michelle and Rick had agreed with it was was really the outside limit they think the project can probably be done in two but felt safe and safe or no All at three and if you finish sooner, then we look good. Yeah, okay, and if for some reason it takes six There's no penalty or anything If for some reason it ends up taking six or seven weeks There's there's there'll be no penalty written into the contract for going out and above the road closure We haven't talked about there being a penalty for that. We just now are talking about the road closure part Yeah, I think we keep it on that three-week and You know we can put something in there if she goes over it's a cost For her not for the town So we should For Had a funding design for that one. Okay, and and Bethel will be Coordinating with the road closure if we have to move it later Yeah, we've been in touch with the date it's on call sign Yeah, yeah, we don't know that for sure right yet Terry because of the covert went as soon as we find out We're letting them know we've been in touch Thank you All of the message boards and the signage lined up And I sent it last week Terace as well and And is for Well Culver is expected to be delivered the last week of July and so far it's still on schedule for that and based on that work would start on one day August 2nd and What the contractor will be doing is Putting up the message boards early in the week of July 19th, which is next week, right? Yeah No signs well in advance And I let threes know that And in addition and Theresa and I talked about coordinating on getting the word out in other ways And that he would use the same language Coming from Bethel as well as from Rochester. So basically she's asked Rochester to share whatever it is We write up and they would post the same thing So I wanted to check with you my plan right now is to put one or probably two separate notices in the arrow starting next week and then the following week Notifying everyone of them with a closure and the timing and the reason and We'll post it on French port Port We'll do as well. They'll put it on their website. Bethel has a Facebook page. They'll put it on there And I was wondering if you had any other suggestions I think we need to notify fire and rescue on both sides of the mountain. Yeah Yeah There Someone on your side of the screen No, I can tell me you'll do it or else you tell me who I should be contacting I'll come back Terry said he'd keep contact Bethel. Okay. Yeah, great Is there any other I think you can think of that we should be doing to get the word out any other No, I think that Before school starts. Yeah, I was there around town, but yeah, I think it's pretty well with the signage Everybody should be watching this media What I would like to do is just to make sure I capture it properly and adequately If I may be frank if I could send it to you and you could edit it or tell me if I missed anything before I Send it out. Sure. I can do that Yep And then last but not least our favorite project out the retaining wall I sent you around to email Last week a week before about it And I'm still kind of struggling figuring out what to do It's been strongly advised by our contacts on the state and the Marquima projects folks To ask for an extension on that project You already have one extension approved This December 31st and she said well get a free pass for One year's extension and if you go back for a second one it has to go Further up the chain to the FEMA authorities see if they will prove it So she suggested that I write a letter which do not have you sign Or an extended the extension and giving the reasons for it which will not blame the FEMA engineers for Studying the scope and the cost so this is the one you're We're asking for We're requesting Second extension we already got one year, correct Yes, and we'll ask for another one through December of 22 And that she's saying that because that'll allow us to possibly Tain the fifteen thousand eight hundred dollars if they give us for the project Then if we are successful in getting a USDA grant and I'm just in the broad beginning stages of figuring that out They will only give up to 35% of the possible project like this So that could potentially bring us in another almost exactly the same amount about 15,000 750 So then both of those funding were still in place We would then still have to raise 14,000 Now it doesn't hurt to ask. Yeah Right. I don't use for something like that. It's um, we'll we'll know It um, there may be some way of tying it into the safety of stabilizing the Deceptic line. Yeah, I was talking with Select board member and Brandon today and they're that's one of the options they're looking at for using their money as done doing but The septic water and sewer infrastructure they're saying is possibly falls under that Yeah Right, right We were guessing just under 300,000 or so Yeah, and then there is movement of foot on the state level to Reallocate money that the counties are getting which is They're not sure if they they have the No, no, this would be on top of it. Yeah Anyway, it's um, let's ask for this Extension on the FEMA money since we already have that and will that gives us buys us some more time to Evaluate if these other funds would be applicable or not now if there are other Funds available outside of the ARPA funds for sewer projects. It seems like that way stabilizing the sewer line Could fall into that Excuse me, I'm correct that the retaining while you talk about when you talk about the last meeting that's by the town office, right? Thank you. All right So I'll look for that letter We'll send it off. Thank you It's happened at the library Well, we have a trustee's meeting tomorrow at six o'clock in the front room at the library, of course The library Community cookbook is nearly ready to be published and to be out and that'll be sold at the cafe and Sandy's bookstore and probably the library and a few other places around and Just I guess is a matter of interest nine no, I'm sorry 12 people were vaccinated at the Vaccine clinic on Friday. Really? Wow, that's great You know, it's funny. It doesn't sound like very many, but I guess all of these clinics are really sort of slowly Waitsfield Fibers market one had three people back Landfill someplace What vaccine were they giving out? Thank you I'm to the highway cooter. Thanks for coming in tonight Yeah I They're gonna hopefully finish the project on Sky Hollow Road tomorrow and I'm doing that life just keeps going on So we gave us the kind of a breakdown of time for the different vehicles over the last few years and I and it's like 2018-19 In the course of two years One truck you had 12 weeks out of service and the other truck you had 14 weeks out of service and the Pickup was out for 11 weeks That sound roughly Two weeks Now I got over two years This you got um, you got more than that. Um, unless some of these problems overlapped That could be it. They probably do. Okay. They overlap. All right. So anyway This is back to the topic that we brought up last week about We're getting ready to purchase a new truck and Truders request that we do not trade in the old truck and we keep it as a backup so you can Reduce the stress and the downtime of having things break as they always do in the middle of the winter Is that did I summarize your feelings on some or go sometimes in the summer too But usually there's more people whining in the winter when they're not getting plowed. Yeah Yeah, that is true. Yeah Did you guys have any more thoughts about that? I'm not in favor of keeping an extra truck. We have no real place to store it Vehicles that are just sitting as extra vehicles tend to just break down sitting there I know that from experience Breaks rust up if they're not driven on a regular basis and you just seem to create problems just just not being used Without it having proper storage I think that's just an invitation to devalue it and it'll end up being a problem with it itself rather than that For trading in so were you thinking of rotating this through use or just parking it until you need it? Rotate it Use it and use it Where would you park it? I'm sure we'll park it greater outside That's a lot more expensive Doesn't sit well with me Equipment I know Personally I guess It would be nice if it doesn't happen it doesn't happen But we get a new truck we get the act I'm all for the new truck We're not gonna get it but Also when we do that if we trade We're down to the one truck Why they're not gonna they're taking it now. Yeah, they don't take it Then you Take him to your new truck payment I'd put it in stipulation I mean that's what they used to do right now. I mean we never bought a truck before not and gave it up Not very long going a bit surprised couple three weeks Hey I think if we just go ahead with the order can we somehow Would it make a difference if we put this truck? Ordered this truck and do we have to say what we're gonna how we're gonna deal with it financially right now Okay, so we can cement that in and get it in the works right Yep, yeah, so why don't we do that and then we'll speak with the budget Then I can ask him because they They're gonna build this truck So I can ask him if we can keep our other truck until we It's a municipal vehicle, so I would imagine that they understand that situation take ownership of the other one Because you don't know the body Company they could but once you get the truck you got to outfit it. Yeah Yeah, well that that stuff is on order two for the dealership, but You know See what you can do to make it seamless if it looks as though The pieces are not gonna fall together By you know in the winter during the winter you might want to wait this This storm out Told that the parts are not going to come in I don't think we should wait until the Difficult situation that Anybody with equipment is in right now Well, it's you've got tentatively he's penciled our name on this truck, right? Well, yeah, but we need to Yeah I think we should move on by in the truck and then we figure out what you can find out what the issues are as far as the Mechanics are gives us an opportunity to talk with budget finance and see what the real Ramifications are we decide we want to keep one or we decide to get rid of it. We can always get rid of it Yeah, you can try something outright. Yeah So we could keep another town and then just get rid of it on her own Maybe down the road or whatever it doesn't work out, but I don't know I I think it's something we need to discuss a little more But if we should ink the truck and get it started To you know tell him we want the truck Yep Western star right So the brand of the truck is a western star truck Yeah Right But the only problem is with that now is is you've tried to do that you they won't give you a quote And that's where so we're stuck I can only get two prices The other truck We can order in December And we'll get it next to some Is that correct maybe maybe So we're kind of Between this one can I have the same way what's that way apart. Sorry. Yeah, I know That's the idea why we may want to keep the truck So excuse me if you wanted this truck now like you just voted to do you should have it before this coming winter is that correct? theoretically Okay, good So you tried in a national or another company? Mac and Western star It's that simple Can work there's Pump issues I just don't want to get caught up in not having three Like we were supposed to so I just need to document that you you attempted a third place. He didn't get a quote Right Charlie Boyce and because they wouldn't impact me give a better price Okay Okay I'm good Thank you Barley Maintenance of the road out there They're in the winter grading and everything You know stuff gets done before you got a bitch about it. I like that Yeah, yeah, let me think they do a pretty good job actually. Yeah, we're fortunate that way Anything else? No Thank you. Yeah So do you want to Call them to I'll call them Yeah So we we should probably get in touch with them some people on the Budget finance and just talk about what this is Yeah, okay Alright Thank you Terry you've got anything We're so fun to have everybody in the same room. I think this is like So we're having some issues for joy Explosive issues I think you got it fixed for now Very or what? Don't all We didn't really Find what I was hoping to find something In here, what kind of issues Terry had I'm sorry some pumps weren't running the pumps were running Then they were a short cycle and so We got it fixed the guy came the next night Waited so it wasn't holiday pay so we didn't have to pay through nose give him here And then why is here? I've always had issues with those encounters Up there on the field and He had a different float with him so we dug it across and put it on the other end And The counters aren't Other 17 years old Uh, I've talked about before it was on the list that you know, I gave you guys about they're going to need to get replaced And you give me a coat on replacing them and putting in the mission control control type stuff with a Solar panel that can then I can just draw it It come to my phone and you just download it to send it to the state Uh, eventually that's what you're gonna do, but I got three counters right now not working. So I'm not really interested in buying new counters and putting bad money after So what we need new folks so his price was around 4,600 to do with the job That doesn't count. I'd have to get a conduit between the two ends Right now I'll see the folks are down here where the water comes in And so the Ripple is in its causing them. sometimes they'll start like quick quick, quick quick quick quick quick quick quick quick quick And we're trying one on the other end we dug in my hand that day and just drilled a small hole through it and seems to be working good it's only been a week So the same kind of floating just is a different location. No, it's just got a eleven inch swing to it So it's got a bigger swing and I think that's probably going to be the way to go because it's a way for many rippling and stuff and it's with a big swing that takes a lot once it gets up there and clicks on. So I'd like to have him do it and we'll just get somebody to come in with a small excavator and we'll dig in between them and put the conduit in and when he comes I won't take that long to do them. So what are you thinking? We might save some money. What are you thinking of the total there, Terry? I'm thinking it won't be much over five grand. Okay. So you're installing a conduit right by the pumps that we're working or am I totally off base? You don't have to get into that much detail. Yeah, I think you just say that we're working on we got to redo the counters and the septic tanks. I think it's going to save us in the long run because then we don't have to spend so much. I mean I work on those things constantly. Yeah. And I'm thinking this is going to take all out of the way. Well let's hope so. Yeah. So if it does then you're going to save a ton on towing. No, I'd go ahead and do it. We should have some enough to cover that anyway, right? Yeah. Because like I said, we aren't going to have to do the pumps this year. Right. Excuse me one more time. I'm sorry the counters for the septic tanks or at the septic tanks? I didn't hear you correctly. The leech field. Up in the leech field. The counters for the septic tanks. The dowsing tanks. The dowsing tanks in the leech field. Okay. I'm sorry. I want to make sure I get it right. Yes. Yep. Well now's the time of year to do it. Oh yeah. I'm glad I didn't miss one. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Go for it. That's enough? Yes. Water is doing well. Yep. Okay. Next. I guess one more thing. Yep. Oh, okay. We're looking in the grant right now to get part of the funding and we're coming up with a letter. We're going to mail out to everybody to try raising that money. I've also found another spot and they're getting back to me with a price just to see where we make sure we aren't carried away with this air compressor. Oh, okay. Air compressor. Because we do not. I mean right now we haven't been training, but the only way you train is and after you get done training, somebody's going to go up to Hancock and spend another three, four hours filling tanks. And that's just, people aren't going to use them because nobody wants to go up. I mean you've got to realize that we are 100% volunteer when it comes to that. So you know a lot of guys aren't into spending, you know, if you've got a fire call for eight hours, who wants to go up for another four hours filling tanks? Is that still around $30,000? $65,000. It's not still $30,000 anymore, is it? No. It's a little more than that. Not related to long. I'm tearing this whole line in. I'm waiting for a call from Adam Mastu. No, they're looking at funding to buy an air tank. We place an air compressor. An air compressor. I'm sorry. I really couldn't hear very well. I apologize. But that was the price I gave. It was a price for a fill station and an air compressor. Right now we're, so someone could get really hurt by it. I mean we've got a freaking piece of plywood screwed to the wall. We set the tank in there and you've got 3,000, you know, you've got 5,000 pounds of pressure there. Right. You know, it's not a good deal. And this would be all. So no way. It's in the sealed unit. Which is what should be. All right. That's it. Thank you. Jeff, welcome back. We missed you last weekend. Yep. We've got tomorrow energy and efficiency investments coming to do walkthroughs of the buildings in the town here. Meeting here at 9 o'clock from the email that I got today, Pat, you were interested in going along in that. Do you need me? I think it would be great to have a select board member. I just love walking around town. Okay. Just driving around town. Certainly welcome. I would have hoped so, you know. Okay. I should have done a better job in coordinating it with John and with Terry. I have no way to get into other buildings and any of the buildings in the town. So when I know that energy and efficiency investments want us to talk to people that are using the facilities and are involved in their management as a part of this audit. I don't know that that has to be done tomorrow by any means. They're really looking at the size of the buildings and what they see physically in it at this point. I've gotten them updated information on all of the electric use for the facilities and fell asleep today on the computer trying to finish up the CV oil. But I'll get that. I've got the older data for them. They actually want to see pre-COVID rather than very COVID. So I'll get that for them as well. So the thing that I didn't do was get the coordination to see. I don't know that we're going to be able to see all of the buildings in town in this kind of a walkthrough in one day anyway. But that's the school. I think we did. You did send an email around after the last meeting expressing your disappointment that we didn't include the school building and the list of buildings. And I think that that should be included. It's a huge part. Yeah, it is a huge part. Yeah, I mean, technically it's owned by the school board, but it's in limbo now. And I think that while we have them here, that's the really important building to work on. There was just some time sensitivity of making an announcement like that while we were waiting for the grant. So it's something that we can come out and say now that we have secured the grant. And the school has given me their energy information so I can get that through energy efficiency investments. Yeah, but I don't do anything about it. That would be a huge part of the puzzle there. We need to know the answers to it. I don't really see it much different than the walkthroughs that we've done with the commercial developers or other parties, you know, just trying to get a better handle on what that building means and what its operating costs would be and what the problems are. Yeah. I'll be joining you tomorrow. Yeah. Great. All right. Thank you. Next on the agenda, we've got the ready to approve the new fiscal year 21-22 tax rate. We've finally got the information that we needed to do that. We need both the homestead and then just the one. Oh, it was just the non-homestead was what we needed for. Right, right. Final. So we're looking at rate of 0.579-6271. I'll be back. Can you repeat that? I will repeat that for you. That's the municipal rate. That's the municipal rate. The municipal rate is 0.579-6271. And that's the municipal rate. Yes. Yeah. And so what is the school rate? Is that okay? Next page. Next page over. We've got the homestead tax rate is 1.5886. And the non-homestead tax rate is 1.5654. Those are not set by us. So what we're setting today is the municipal. Well, actually both. Both? Yeah, so that's the final number at the bottom. Okay, when they're combined. Yep. All right. Okay. So I moved to set that, but I repeated twice for Martha. Hi. Hi. Okay. I'm confused. It says 0.57. That's supposed to be double the homestead and non-homestead. Nope. Nope. Nope. Okay. I misunderstood you. I apologize. I can send them to work. One that you are approving. Yes. That is great. It's 0.5796271. Correct. You got it. And Julie will send this to you. So you've got it in black and white. Okay. Thank you very much. Yes. Sorry. Yeah. You're welcome. All right. So did we get a second on that? I moved it. I second. You second all in favor. All right. There we go. We got it. Thank you. We got it. We got it. It's official, man. That doesn't mean we charge twice. God forbid. We also have something here. The town bee pollinator project. We got a letter from Grace Futral. I think this is how you say that. In her organization. Bee the change would like to support your community in creating a pollinator habitat as part of a collective town efforts. We ask that you designate an acre of municipal space, school space, or other area currently mowed or unused that you could envision as a dynamic pollinator meadow. Bee the change would provide the seeds, expertise and potential manpower to foster a successful transformation. They have currently habitat in 25 Vermont towns and only have 226 to go. Please just let us know of your interest and how we may help. So. Go Rochester. Go Rochester. Bee the change. Once again. Where you got any proposals where you'd like to put this? That's going to ask you that. What did we say? Up by the sewer site. Up by Crowley's or somewhere in bingo. Where we had property. By the cemetery probably. Don't have an acre of the sewer site. Yeah. No, not extra. No, no, it's all. It's all taken up there. What is it that they're going to put there? They've got specific seeds, you know, different plants that have healthy disease. What about down by the, by the agri-fertilizer? By the wild house. I don't think they would fertilize for bees. They don't fertilize to do that. They're just going to plant them. They can't do anything as far as other grass down around the pump house. No wildflowers? They can plant wildflowers, but they can't put anything else with them. Oh, like datum plants. They can do them, I guess. Would save on moan or acre? Micrometer. Normally. We could use a cemetery. I don't think that would work. Oh, that little spot right there as you drive in though. That's not used. I don't know if that's a whole acre. That's probably not an acre though. A bank right there as you just drive into it. That's unused there. The road that goes up. Down by the wild house. I guess we'd want to know exactly what their... Yeah, I'd like to have a list of what they're going to plant. Just so I can double check the state, because it could throw us right into something not good. I mean, our well-fed protection plant says that you will not do anything for that property but then have grass. So if we change it, then I get to contact the state and see if it's legit to do that. You got all the open property there. Well, I can't help it. They're quite animal about having anything around that well site. Anything. And they don't want activity. No bees. They want that property between Sky Hall of Road and the Rue 100. The state. I didn't know for sure. But you pretty much do. I contact them when we're looking at that area for a firehouse and did test holes up there and stuff and it wouldn't pass. That's why we didn't. But they were going to give it to us. Not a big deal. Maybe we should think about that. So it sounds like we have interest in being part of the project. We just have to identify a likely spot. A location with open meadow-ish area in our little valley. All right. So we'll do a little research and maybe have something more concrete by the next meeting. Yep. All right. Sounds good. We need to plan out. We've got a couple of driveway permits. Thanks for sitting through the rest of the meeting. I'm sure you'll mind. I know it's kind of exciting. Let's see what's going on. Yeah. Yeah. Since Patrick Gendron's got one, it's, um, what's the address on Bethelman Road? Is there an address on Bethelman Road? Do you have it too, I believe it is? This says, we've got time. Highway 1, we'll see. So we've talked about this. This is just uphill from, um, yeah, Stevesack's driveway, which is not a very nice driveway. In fact, I understand that Steve has talked to you about potentially abandoning his driveway to join in on yours. that is correct if that worked out I think that in light of it would be an improvement on what's there and it wouldn't be adding a driveway that was the condition that that you did allow him to use that new drive I think that's good or do you have any input on that I think it's a great idea yeah eliminate Steve driveway do you eliminate Steve drive George that's kind of tentative I don't have it in writing or anything about my one of my in that I would like to see Steve's got a driveway call with there a couple isn't it and that would be great if that went away yeah what was that again Steve's got a driveway call for his culvert if that went away right again this is tentative I mean he was all for it of course he wants to get away from the corner too yeah and I don't have it in writing and I also he woke up tomorrow and said sorry I didn't know if that was a question I had anyway I have talked to him and he's all for it but again yeah it should be because you have three dry was being good just for drainage purposes yeah yeah I think it would be adding one they're too there now though like you said but does kind of bother like it would be nice as you get to as well right below where across the road right below his driveway and then there's to drive way covert well it makes it worse for that plate right it crosses the road right below that too yeah years ago when they since Simpsons built that house Steve sat right and I'm pretty sure there's only could be one driveway cut for both properties right just like Bethel Mountain properties across from me all those units had had two units for one driveway and that's the only reason Reese got to change his to the upper one because you bought that a lot right and that's why his driveway came in down below with the other house there but you'll find that every if it was set up so they cannot only have one driveway for two locks it's these willing to go with that that's one I mean it's a great deal yeah it'd be better for him anyway because that yeah I understand I just like I said was gonna see if it was stipulated on that because right now there are two pipes but I mean I don't know how that happened I had a question that when I first saw this that I thought that perhaps this was already discussed back in the day well to be honest with you I do have that copy it was dated the it came into the counter here on the 17th of 517 of 16 and the check was paid and it wasn't ever nothing was signed on the back so that's why I'm here again yeah I think that was probably Dan yeah so I didn't know if it had been I never heard that if one had been issued or if it was talked about before I remember that happening but yeah I wasn't right and I look back or we did thankfully we had some help there I appreciate that look back in the minutes and we never saw or I never looked at but there was nothing ever discussed so I was like well it's my $50 I understand but I didn't know if that was already talked about or if I need to be back so this is a Bethel Mountain row right yes well so why don't we you want to have a more point of discussion with the neighbor Steve and see what the board's decision is to only approve if we tag the sacks driveway in I think what everybody's saying is the precedent's been set for two lots and on a road like that to only have one access point so either you've got to use Steve's or Steve's got to use yours is what the board say and I think so that was all that was all one lot at one time I believe anyway and then it was split off so I think that probably in light of the situation there we probably in where it is and where it is it would be it's a sketchy spot Steve's is definitely a sketchy spot and if that Pat if he's willing to do that that would be great you know and you come back well as you actually have the list of addresses that is required for the burnout but okay that's rezoning but you can talk to Steve and get something and writing from him that he's willing to give his up to produce here to meeting yeah or maybe I can email it yeah actually John is the one that really proves these things right I mean he has to write up on them before we do think the 5% grade issue is that is that going to be doable I think so and I'm actually going to use it I was hoping to keep it as an egg for now and then you know get some trucks in and out of there and then the way I understand the rule is 5% max for the first 20 feet doesn't matter what the use is that should be attainable I mean I have to dig back in their ways yeah you know I want it safe I want to be able to come down and stop I don't know yeah so I'm definitely gonna look after that make sure it's safe and easy to plow hopefully too right yes so by moving that pipe so you're saying maybe take the fight for Steve's and just eliminate it yeah okay so I just want to make clear what I'm gonna be talking about moving my one basically have a no drive with there yeah I'll just have to figure out like say liability or something there but that's what it is I'll try to make happen I guess I can get it right you know I need right away yeah just give me he's with 30 feet you would still own it you just have the right away you may have to put it in for him but you know yeah I'll see that if I could write something up then maybe I can just submit a B email yeah yeah yeah okay then he could pay you for plowing your own driveway so yeah so with that in mind and I mean that's gonna take a few days I'm not even sure sometimes I can't I don't see him up there but I'll try to get in contact with him to use that for an access now like I'm getting burn permits and such there's a pipe across there I've gotten burn permits before just want to make sure that I can utilize that I mean Steve's not coming down my driveway yet but I mean I need to be able to have a little access and I can't really spend a bunch of dough making the bottom good when I gotta get clear to the top yet so it makes sense I don't want to I mean I'll make it safer obviously I gotta get trucks in and out so we're not gonna be coming down at a 45 degree angle but I don't want to be able to finish that and have it tidy done I mean Steve might be a few months away before I actually you can start moving yeah I mean if we have an agreement with what the end product is going to be I don't think there's a problem with working towards it. Does the end product include subdivision in multiple houses up on the hillside? Potentially yeah. Potentially I mean I was here last week. We would want to be prepared for that. Yes and I was at the meeting last for the planning and zoning and I don't submit it all the form job but it's kind of where I'm moving. Moving towards. Yeah and that would be the driveway a common driveway already for those multiple places up there. Where's your mind? Well I would ideally like to keep it to the high side of the hillside and just have enough ditches for both sides. The property line? Yeah. No, it's right there. 70 feet so that's basically for a road and two ditches on each side basically coming down. Yeah I know that's fine. So that's kind of the ideal. That sounds sounds like a good plan. Yeah thank you. Yeah thank you. We just put it in the spending basically. Yeah so basically it's pending and we'll get us some information. Yeah we'll make it work. I'll find an email and as soon as I see Steve I'll hold him down. Okay and then we have another driveway permit from Dave Kennett for a piece of property his parents gave him up there just past the farm. Did you? He wasn't around today. He got us on kill trial. Yeah. I talked to Beth. I tried to talk to the Mexican but it didn't work. Yeah it's basically halfway between the block house. His mother told me where it was but for him to do that and make a good line of sight out of there he was going to move a lot of money. I kind of like to do a sight visit with him. I think he might have some other options. Maybe he doesn't but okay. That road is fairly narrow right there too and then he swings out of that old driveway. I'm pretty familiar with walking up in there over the years. Is that John? I was heard talking to him. Yes it was. Thank you. And that's not a very good spot to come in and out there. He just doesn't have a good swing. The existing log road or whatever is on an angle too and each of these squared up to the road it can be done. Do you know where his upper lot line is there on that road? Not for sure. I don't know either. All right so we'll track him down when he's done with the cow show and have him show us exactly what he's talking about. Yeah I think maybe there's some other options. Maybe there isn't. So we'll table that for now and that was pretty much what we had on our list for tonight. Just pay some bills and move on. Thank you all for coming out. I thank you very much for letting us ask questions to do this on Zoom. It's a real pleasure.