 Welcome back to the breakfast on Plus TV Africa. We set off with our first conversation and first and only conversation by the way. And we're looking at the activities or the elections in a number of states. Now come the 6th of November 2021 Nigerians, the attention already is focused on that election. That's because it is going to reflect, it's going to be a reflection of what would happen in 2023. Several contenders, but we have about nine of them that are major. This is according to political observers. And this morning we will be looking at the strength and witnesses of this major political contenders. All of them are jostling for that position, who becomes the governor of Anambra state. Now we have Dr. Rav Umosu, who's a national chairman of the African Democratic Congress who's joining us. And this time goes on, would definitely introduce the remaining guests as we proceed. Okay. Good morning, Dr. Rav Umosu. Good morning. All right. Thank you for joining us this morning. I appreciate it. Thank you. Okay. Just before we get straight to the crux of the matter this morning, what is the state of things? What is the atmosphere right now in Anambra state? The atmosphere is, how do I put it? It's unfortunate, but Anambra state looked like a place in a kind of a siege state. But then the people are good, except some of the political gladiators and also the federal might that they have come to plant on Anambra state. We've had a lot of incidents on daily basis, their killings, on daily basis, their attacks. And also this has affected the campaign for some people like our party that has planned the last minute strategy to get to the people because we were busy getting to different women and so on. But then what is happening seemed to have affected the entire situation. But at the same time, the people are a bit upbeat and everything being okay, they will come out to vote out the parties and government that have cost us this kind of stripe and the bloodletting across the state. Is there a possibility of either the seated home or the problem might just be a compromise before the 6th of November? Do you see a possibility of that? I think some stakeholders, traditional leaders, religious leaders have now taken over, they have taken over governance because the government in place, the governments in place both at the state level and at the national level and the other two parties that are at the national assembly level have failed. So now the church leaders, the traditional rulers have taken over, have they taken over, they begin to have dialogues and I believe that such dialogues will get us to where we should be, which is what the government, the different parties that control Nigeria as it were now should have done from the beginning. African Democratic Congress, the ADC, African Democratic Congress, you are the national chairman. Let's go by political campaigns, by the campaigns now. Do you think that surveillance actually stands a chance of, you know, winning the elections, measuring it by the campaigns that he has done? If people are allowed to come and vote, ADC candidates, Akatjibu, Sullivan, Mankbo, has won the election because instead of, we didn't bother about the public evaluation. We went from families to families from beginning. From beginning, we concentrated in meeting the homeowners because his whole team on this campaign and the governance was clear from beginning. We wanted to concentrate on the family and we wanted to get agreements with every family, every woman in Anambra state. And we concentrated in that. Some other people were showing power might, distributing money and so on and so forth. We don't belong in that class. Our cause is to touch the families of all the families in Anambra state. So our strategy has worked for us. Okay. You know that elections are not just one by just having an awesome personality. You also need to have structure. What structures do the African Democratic Congress, do they have enough structures in the grassroots? How many local government, what is the presence that they do have in Anambra state, the different local government, in terms of popularity, juxtaposing that with that of the APC, the PDP and ABGA? I can assure you that our structure, the structure of ADC goes down to the world and to the different families. I want you to get it right. Our strategy is to deal with all the homeowners in Anambra state because one of the criminal programs of our candidate is to create the ministry of homeowner affairs. Therefore, our strategy is clear. We are working with every homeowner. All data parties are structured down to local government and world. But we are structured from the state, local government, world and down to the different homeowners. So forget the people who are making the biggest noise or the biggest campaign on this paper and so on. But we are down to every homeowner. And if the election takes place, because the Anambra people are tired of the so-called two big missionaries and then in Anambra people are completely tired of Africa. You can see the confusion within their process and so on. And that shows you the frustration that the Anambrians have with them. Let's just have a free and fair election and you will see what the result will manifest. For the other parties, what do you call them? APDP and the APC. Nigerians are third of them. The ordinary Nigerians that constitute 95 percent of the voters are tired of them. The only people who have tolerated their excesses are our elites because our elites who rather sit in their comfort zone rather than taking the needed decision that we have to take to be able to position Nigeria and take it to the trajectory of moving towards that's what ADC has designed as a global super economy. All right. We're being joined by Honourable Tony Ezekuelu. He's a former member of the House of Assembly in Anambra State. Thank you so much Honourable Tony for joining us this morning. Honourable Tony, can you please hear us? Okay, so I'm coming back to you now Dr. Ravngosu. Hopefully he's able to join us again, but let's just do it this way now. I don't know if you're very conversant or you have the names of the nine major has been put out by political observers of contenders of this position come Saturday. You have Professor Chukuma of the ABGA. You also have Dr. Godwin of the Accot Party and you have the PDP Valentine. You have Senator Andy Uba of the All Progressive Congress, Senator Ifan Uba of the Young Progressive Party and Obyora Okonko of the Labour Party and Obyora as well of the Labour Party. You also have the Action Alliance, Ben Itiba and of course the Nguyen Po of the African Democratic Congress. Now, being very objective, what would you say? I am very much aware of all of this, but let me ask you something and it would be good for the audience to analyse and reflect. We have a government in place today, don't we? The government in place in Anambra State is the Apuga government. Apuga government, they are in this campaign. Meanwhile, the state is in a state of chaos. Anambra State today is in a state of chaos. Anambra State today is full of bloodletting. It appears as if we don't have any government. So if a government has so failed that they've lost complete control of the states, why do you think they are in this election? They are not in this election. Anambra people are aware. They are not in this election. They are in government, but they've lost control. The same thing with APC. APC is in the central government. They control the police. They control the military. And today, Anambra State is like a war zone because we are having a simple election. What does that tell you? The PDP and APC share the parliament. They've controlled our democracy for the last 23 years. And where are we? Where are we? Let everybody analyze it. That is why every Nigerian is saying, forget the bogosity of the bogosity and the noise making. Let's face reality. What does Nigeria need today? We need to flush this people out. We have governments in place and we are like almost like, you know, a place in war out of control, caught everywhere, bloodbath on daily basis. And they charge today. If they're in charge and we have almost anarchy instead of an army, that shows we don't have any government. They don't have the capacity. This is time for them to get away. And that's why democracy is good because on this Saturday, Indian Anambra are faced with under choice. You continue with this rubbish or you want to throw a different path. So this, as far as I am concerned, I'm most Anambrian, forget the big noise. As far as you're concerned, these three parties are not in this show. That's number one because they have lost the integrity and the capacity and everything you know of leadership to continue. Number two, they had flawed processes during their primaries. These three parties, because of their poor awesomeness, lost it completely during their primaries. So Indian Anambra are very much aware of this. Forget their noise trying to to make it appear as if all the other parties are not there because they have the commonwealth, the state ports, therefore they can draw money anyhow they like. Haven't said that. Then I wouldn't want us to discontent any of the other candidates. You mentioned about nine serious candidates. As far as I'm concerned, all the 18 persons enrolled in this, other than these three that have already removed, may have their own strategy. Just like ADC strategies go from the one good. I mean, everybody in Anambra, they are aware that ADC had the biggest and the best primaries that nominated Akatu Kumanko as the candidate. It was well attended, it was glamorous, and there was peace. Everybody in Anambra saw it. After that, we decided the public show is over. What must we do? We got into our core strategy, moving to the families because Akatu pointed it out from the beginning. We want to bring back the family to participate in government. Government by the Umun and the Anambra. Let's just take a break here now. Let's just take a call here and see how we can have Honorable Tony Izakuelu join us as well in this conversation. Good morning Honorable Tony Izakuelu. Can you please hear us? All right. It's good to have you join us. Now we're looking at the strength and weaknesses of the various candidates, major candidates, nine of them has been put together by political pundits and observers across the country. For the want of time, I want to presume that you actually know some of these candidates, not maybe for a first-hand experience, but probably the party is involved. You have the ABGA and you have Chukuma Soludo, you have the Accord party, Godwin Maduka, you also have the People's Democratic Party, Valentine, you have Andi Uba of the All-Progressive Congress, Anifan Uba of the Young Progressive Party, and you also have Ubyora Konko of the Zinnat Labor Party and Ubyora of the Labor Party, and Ben Etiba of the Action Alliance and Wang Po of the African Democratic Congress. Now all of these candidates, nine of them, what would you say their strengths are? In no other, what would you say their major strengths are? In no other? Thank you so very much. The first, I'm about to tell you that you have 17 candidates rather than nine, but maybe you have taken the nine, maybe that's the nine you see are the most prominent. Now let me take one after the other and give you the assessment. But before I start, I want to voice out the very serious and unfortunate development that to me, it will be very unfair if this election goes on November 6th without the participation of the Labor Party candidate who worked in that long ago, and then the state security, both the police, the DSS and others, the government of the state and federal government, who now have not given Nigerians and Anagrians an explanation on multiple traditional men, Mr. Ubyora, who are conducting under the Labor Party. He was also kidnapped, not only been kidnapped for a long time now, and we know very well that the electorate requires that all the candidates who have given a number of times, that they must have to cast in and meet the people before the election, before the voting. Now that these young men are about to narrow, have been kidnapped and held, and security agencies have done that, and others are not telling anything serious about it, I think an election without a fair and credible participation of the Labor Party candidate, Mr. Ubyora Abashimero, will be not only unjust and fair, but will let that election seem not uncredible. And I think that this should be the major thing every candidate, every party, I know that the future of the DSS and the government should not have ground, this has got out of hand, and people are not bothered that a candidate is a major party who is very, very popular among the grassroots, who have been kidnapped and held, until now we have not got the news that he had been released. I hope you are getting me. I can hear you go ahead. Hello? I can hear you go ahead. Okay, good. Now, I will say that I want to now do an analysis of the order that has been done so far, what it is unjust, unfair, and we must remember that the election is not credible, if the Labor Party candidate does not have the opportunity to participate in the election. Now, let me take you as a party to go through. Now, let me start with the ruling party that is Afghans. Afghans are, at that time, is doing so much with a group of source parties. Afghans are inscredible by such movements all over the world. We have to do a cover-up, popular among the people, with a popular party in the state, therefore, at the same time, the party, the party of Afghans, has the effect of serious coercion that have obstructed the party very negatively. We are most of the prominent members in the national assembly and state-run assembly, and the other people, even the youths, have become to either participate or to visit the Amiturana party. That should be a very negative, and we revolt negatively on the candidacy of the Afghans from the group of source parties in this common election. Therefore, before we can do it, Afghans have been the dominant party in a number of states. But with the development now, this election of November 5th to a very large extent, these developments can be protected in the party that has been in the election openly, ending 20%. If not, if Afghans are able to manage an internal affair very well, Afghans should have been clearly on top of winning this election. Now, coming back to the next party in line, the PGP. The PGP has a very vital, very valuable item, and it doesn't create bad acceptable testing in the name of a doctor valetized or jimbo, who has a trauma background, a businessman, and a world-class minister, who has a machine and statistics, and he's the chairman of the trans-tribal group of Montpardas. From Mr. Rudolph from his software, he's a very credible and acceptable person, and then he has everything in state, like from Mr. Rudolph to the governor of Anambarsie, and he's the most prejudiced, equally acceptable among the grassroots and the seconders of Anambarsie. The third question, let me take this part A and C. Before now, the PGP do not have any Anambarsie, but however, the recent developments within this election, you have your own witness, a great outreach, you can get from the PGP, the electorate, and the governor, with his team, have been able to coach in another party, and they're able to collapse a lot of their regular structures into a PGP. Bring the PGP into context in this election, which they were not informed of ago, with the fact that what's happened now, with about seven federal members, one senator, about 10,000 members, the people of Anambarsie in the PGP, they find it to be fun as Anambarsie and he was, so much like the PGP. All right, I think we lost connection with Honourable Tonya Zequelo, who would definitely connect with him as soon as possible, but we'll just get back to Dr. Raf, well, Dr. Raf and Wosu, are you still there? Yeah, I'm here. All right, so we'll just pick up from where he stopped. Do you agree with him that he's saying that the Apgar has a lot of popularity? He has been the fact that, first of all, he is contesting on that party that has been in dominance since 2006, and they have a lot of government support, the ruling party, and well, of course, we understand the dynamics and the politics of, you know, the ruling party. Do you agree that he has, if you begin to compare him with Valentine Oziobu or that of the People's Democratic Party, do you also agree that Valentine has the same popularity when compared to the candidate of Apgar? Now, the two persons contesting an election in Apgar and ADP, they have good personality and reasonable pedigree. But for the mere fact that they are contesting in those parties, it's like the toxicity within the party have rubbed on them. The toxicity within those parties have rubbed on them and so on. And one person does not make a government. The governor, one person as governor does not make a government. One person does not make an organization. One person does not constitute the leadership. A leadership is a more integrated process involving many hands. Therefore, you get into certain organizations, no matter the kind of person you are, what you can deliver is affected. So that's what I have. First, Valentine and the President are concerned. The toxicity within their organizations, within their parties have rubbed on them. This includes Senator Andy, our members of the party that are in government today. And where are we in? Where are we? We are in the most dastardly condition that this country has never been before. And that shows you that these organizations don't have the capacity to give Nigeria what they want at this time. And the elites may be feeling cool, may be analyzing these things wrongly. But for us, who have taken our campaign to the common mass, to the market women, and the boys in the market who are selling pure water, they are complaining that these people constitute government. They come to the market in the name of entirely generated revenue. They accept them. And internally generated revenue is not being used to develop the markets. Instead, they're going into their private pockets. And they are doing the big men, the society people, the icons, and so on. So people are very disenfranchised. They are very unhappy with TDP, with ATC, with APGA. And they want to show it in this poll. But in terms of the quality of individuals, yes, they are good. But you put any of them on the poll tomorrow. What happened in their primaries, where they fought and so on and so forth, will happen again. And I'm sure people will not vote for any of them. And I can tell you if they don't come into the system to cause problems, none of them, despite the fact that APGA is the party in government now, where we have no government, none of them will have 5% of the votes. Okay, let's get back to Honorable Tony Ezuelu. It's good to have you join us again. Okay, that's all right. Go ahead. Thank you very much for this big wave into the party. It still doesn't look like the marches of an umbrella like ATC. Because the students, ATC phenomena are very, very, very unfair and unjust to the youth both and the Anambra people. Just in some way, that the people, Anambra are feeling that they will leave government, have not done so, so, so, so, so well for Anambra in terms of infrastructure, the women, and all that. So the big men and men coming to ATC, if they have an immediate guarantee of a history in history and fair and simple regarding marches, are still going to be done and angry with the ATC government at the center. Now, we're not talking about the individual, so it is good. Now, we're talking about the percentage of people who are the party. Yes, so, equally, our people believe very strongly that this election that's coming up is for the marches to provide the Adidas and not any positions. Some of the party has the ATC of arranging to review elections. The last thing on acquisition, we know that if the election is holding on November 6th, our people are ready to bottle it out for a fair and fair election. Welcome to the ADC candidate. The ADC is maybe the fourth major party in Anambra that also has a grassroots appeal. We have a candidate that has qualified as any other person with long experience in public service and then also to the committees and others. The ADC is doing its own bit towards the grassroots, towards the families. They have their own, such as those from Mr. Bedet. You already said that I think they may have this issue that they do not have a kind of role check that Avgar immediately, they think they have. So they have a very good chance in the election, equally, like the address of the major parties. There is a letter. Andubar of YPP. Andubar is the household name in Anambra State. Very well known by every person as a family senator from Anambra South who have been doing very well for his own people. But this election unfortunately, the culture of the party in Asia may not be of so much help for him in winning the election. It may sound like more of a woman, a more strong man with a few people supporting him in this election. But also Avgar Yubar is very well known as the acceptable among our people. There are not. There is another party, Dr. Obira Okonkwa. Dr. Okonkwa is an intellect, a successful businessman, manager, and founder, industrial, social, and economic targets in Anambra State. You won the candidate for an affirmative UDB, but why he lost the primary? He moved into the Zenith level party, the culture creation. It's a very hard question. He has also the role check, but the problem he has is that there is more of a role big like that of Anduba. I'm sorry, like that of Ifan Yuba, but if I am not Anduba, but the role problem he has, which Ifan Yuba has some advantage for me is that right until he had a year to part a while, the noise of the party had never been in Anambra State in the context before. So it is very difficult for him to sell the party and the logo of the party. But Dr. Okonkwa used a sound by a cannibal person like around Anambra State as the government. We now go to the court party, Dr. Godwin Manuka. Dr. Godwin Manuka is a very well known on the popular division, if you are a philanthropist, a social developer, and somebody that has a very prominent and world class tradition who has been around for quite some time. He chose for the families and included a lot and caused a lot for the court party. He had always made it difficult for somebody no matter how strong on the rosaries you have a tradition. No, it's very difficult. Well, you caused a lot for this another party to be able to to get the party to understand your party logo and the vote for the party. That is the candidate. Let's talk about Dr. Chido of Worcester Group, a successful businessman, manager of women and material resources who can make a little government. The party is also a program that he may have in the nation. Then we have a host of what has left. Okay, we'll definitely get back to you. Let's get back to Dr. Raphael Mwosu, who's the national chairman, African Democratic Congress. Let's talk about, let's go by experience now amongst the candidates that we have mentioned, nine of them or about eight of them. Going by experience, who would you rate as the most experienced on the list? The most experienced in government, politics, and leadership. I will still say our candidate, I have my reasons. Since I've worked within the local government system, he's worked with the state systems, and he has worked as a consultant with the deputy governor of Bayer State, when Goodlock Jonathan was the deputy governor of Bayer State. He worked as a consultant with Goodlock Jonathan, as a deputy governor, as a governor, and worked with him as the vice president, as acting president, and as president for all the time he was in the villa. So in terms of structuring public policy, in terms of the technical work that is involved in leading a state, and the leading government, it's very, very experienced. The other question you might bring in as somebody like Chupman Soludo, but his experience has to do with the financial sector, and that's why he got involved in politics and he's been struggling. He's not been able to use his technical skills to form an organization to carry his campaign. He contested before in one of the biggest parties in Anambra State, the PDP, and lost because he lacked that or that is a technically sound person, but he's good in bureaucracy and planning the economy. I wish that people can know their niche and get involved there. Being the chief executive is not a job for everybody. You can do a great job being a manager in a particular area. So that's where you find a somebody like Chupman Soludo. He's good with human resources, but with the politics, he doesn't have the experience, and that's why he's gotten into himself by boxing. And he has been a good legislator. He was in the villa for eight years, but somehow he's not been able to build the popular support because his kind of politics has been coming down from Abuja and taking, you know, finding different ways to entice the populace and then possibly for him to get back to Abuja as the legislator and so on. But now the people are getting wiser. They want people to work with them. So in terms of governance, in terms of running government, in terms of dealing with the systems and public policy, in the Akatuku one, but it's number one, and it's so rated. All right. Let's also bring in Ben Wosu. Good morning, Mr. Ben Wosu. Thank you for joining us this morning on the discus. Good morning, Mr. Ben Wosu. Thank you for joining us this morning on the breakfast. All right. So we'll just move on. I'll just get back to you now, Dr. Raphael Wosu. Dr. Raphael Wosu, are you still there? Yes, I'm here. Okay. So let's also move away from that now. I was hoping that, you know, you would say that Anduba of the APC, you remember he was elected governor in 2007. Of course, he lasted for 17 days in the office because there was a case as regards, you know, that was contested in office. I mean, him being elected, moving away from that, his, you know, vibe for political office in 2010, 2011, and the list is ongoing. I would rather think that he is very experienced in terms of governance and in politics. Anduba has not shown any capacity to manage an organization, to bring together human beings. He lacked that experience. And that's why he's not done well in all his political, you know, positions. I mean, he was in the villa. He was in the villa for eight years. For somebody who was in the villa for eight years, getting their lips and the people to work with him, he wouldn't have been any problem. But each time, it's like there's this toxicity, you know, it was when I'm quite an unpredictable, remember him with today. They talk about him with the burning of the government house, setting the whole government house. When the government was there, you know, on fire, on rampage and so on. They associate the UBAS and then they would take him a government hostage. And these are just not rights. So I'm talking about experience from him being in the villa and also having the capacity they say he has, because I don't know. By now, he should be able to be dealing with the human persons, because to be a leader, you have to be able to deal with the human persons and so on. You don't leave stone. You don't leave money. You leave people. You leave people. And all Nigerians who aspire to leadership position must know you leave people. You don't leave money. You don't leave machines to be a leader. You leave people. You have to develop your people still. And if your people still is right and you're able to bring the population to work together with you, you can achieve a great lot. All right. Thank you so much, Dr. Rath Moosu, for being part of the conversation this morning. We do appreciate your thoughts and your time as well. And we wish you and your entire team the very best. All right, let's get back to Dr. Abegha Pradhan, Honourable Tony Izewelu. I hope I've gotten him correctly. And please, let's quickly share your thoughts. Let's quickly share your thoughts as we move away because we're out of time. Now quickly, who do you think, can you hear me please? Yes, come again. I said, let's quickly share your thoughts now. A lot of persons have complained about the performance of the current government. Do you think that that would in any way affect the candidate, the flag bearer of the party talking about Charles Soludo? There are a lot of complaints from Annambara State as regards the performance of the current government. Do you think that that would affect, you know, the candidates? Do you think that it would affect the flag bearer of the party talking about Charles Soludo come the 6th of November? Sure, it's not only will affect him, it is affecting him the way Muhammad Buhari's APC government is affecting Senator Anduba. So the performance of the government of the party, I trust you because every government who works in line with a party collection and manifesto, and then they try to support the party. So if she's willing to now, have done as well as it would be done as a government, it should be the best way to ride for Charles Soludo and Abga. But because of the fact that there are a lot of the fundamentals of government and development, just the privilege, it is affecting the performance of Professor Charles Soludo very badly, both in the cabinet and in the election to come. Because the APC government's failure in Nigeria is affecting Senator Anduba very negatively in the election. That's all right, we'll have to let you go at this point in time. Thank you so much for being part of the conversation. Honorable Tony, it's Zewelu. Thank you so much. Thank you so much and God bless you. And I wish all Annambara in free, fair, and credible, successful election on November 6th. But I feel crying for Obira Abatimeru of Labour Party. Okay, well we hope that that election would actually happen and everyone is encouraged to go out and cast their votes. We also hope that government will do the need for, and you know, the relevant stakeholders would also do the need for all of that for our democracy to move forward. This is where we anchor the conversation. We definitely, we hope that we have more of this conversation just before the elections come the 6th of November. Now, do not forget to catch up on all of the conversation if you miss out on any of them. We're on YouTube at Plus TV Africa and on Instagram is at Plus TV Africa, Facebook as well, Plus TV Africa. I am Merciable to have a great morning.