 Well, they go Ninjago. Oh my god, if only we were watching the Lego Ninjago movie Anybody here actually see that movie because I did I haven't It's not as it's I don't remember anything about it and I And I like the Lego Batman movie I haven't seen it in a while But I remember really enjoying it, but yeah, I didn't like that one or the are did any of you guys watch the Lego movie, too No, actually, I think I have but I don't remember it. Yeah, that was a that was a disappointing day Now I don't think they want to make any more Lego movies. Oh, was it was Chris Pratt at it? Yeah Yeah, yeah Emmett the the Lego man he is the Lego man is true. Mm-hmm. I know he's playing Garfields next year Nice, I was reading like a tweet about how like Is this is this confirmed was a meme that uh? Bill Murray came across the offer for playing Garfield and he Misunderstood Joel Cohen to be one of the Cohen brothers. That's why he agreed. It was an accident I think that's true Yeah, that is true. That's just so fucking funny Because it never made sense. Why is Bill Murray Garfield? But you know We're just in that kind of multiverse I guess Um Because some of the some of the I thought was interesting. No no Jude Law in this film. Why not? Uh, he knew he knew get out. Yeah, I got I got out lucky. No one remembers. I was in the first one So well, he's he also got to be a part of the billion dollar one. He wasn't in the So now you can be like, yeah, what were you missing me? That's what that's what it is I was the key to everything. I was a drawer. Yeah okay Because he's gonna be in skeleton crew, right? Yes, maybe he's just too busy doing things with Star Wars to do things with Marvel because That's a better choice is a path That is funny. I think I would I was gonna say I gave up on him as an actor during AI. I hated that movie That was for a long time my most hated movie of all time. I'm like this just wasted my life Someone asked me what I thought of that the other day and I was like, I don't fucking I don't really remember it anymore I only remember the teddy. That was the only interesting thing in the entire movie Doesn't he eat Uh vegetables at some point and choke. It was very relatable I don't know. Are you used to like hide things inside himself like a prison pocket? It was weird Looking back on it. There was this whole scene where he hid something inside himself and just sewed himself back up Wait, you guys don't do that Not not like not like for everything but it's definitely pretty serious Alrighty then. Alrighty. I'm I've just outed myself. I think I was a self report. Yeah Should we well, I mean because we're almost pretty much good to go And I mean sometimes we should start these things as soon as possible because you never know How long we may turn out to talk about a thing though with mentioning this is Like what feels to be the first hour and a half moving a long time from marvel It wasn't two hours the golden ratio or whatever and now They're moving it and then it started getting to like two and a half hours there for a while Just another hour and a half to go and we've managed to get the correct amount of time Now if they can just push it back a little bit more Yeah, but they got it in this one by Slashing all of the content. Oh, yeah, you can tell this one's edited to hell and back Um, yeah, maybe decide it for this next time I wrote down somewhere that is like it's edited like an SNL sketch A little bit, yeah, and most of it is written like SNL sketch It's not even as funny as an SNL sketch. Oh, no I was saying uh Just just really today that like is that part where Captain Marvel arrives to see Darben I was I was he I was villain and and Like oh, it's it's you annihilator and then Captain Marvel is like You must stop bad guy And it feels so like set up at this point of just being like why is anyone here? They all know they shouldn't be here Fucking actors cameras special effects people are just like we all know we all know what's happening What does that mean to have so many people working on something that nobody believes in You get this Oh my god, I don't understand they have showrunners now. Yeah. Yeah, that'll fix the problem. It will help probably but Yeah, my help. That's the best we can say Yeah, we all know what happens when you have showrunners Everything works out well I think the villain woman is the only one who did not get the memo because she was like taking it too seriously for me from in moments And the other guy like next to her was like acting as if he was in a sitcom or something his facial expressions It was so funny I fucking I don't even remember that guy. He was in like one or two scenes. He just disappeared at some point, right? Yeah, he was just making faces the whole time brother guy, whoever he was no idea, but yes Yeah, I don't know does everyone There was times where we would do like a oh everyone give you a blip on what you thought of the movie But it's like surely none of us disagree with each other on this one. I mean it sucks. It's really does anyone disagree with each other on Earth on this one. This is such a Movie bar It's been an interesting because the flash had the same thing that came out and it's like nobody liked it You know, it's like nobody liked that like the fallout meme and it feels like the same thing that's happened here It's just out and it's like yeah, so nobody likes this, right? Yeah, nobody I didn't even watch it. What will be said by most people Should we start with um telling people what they needed to see before seeing this just to make sure they understand the narrative Yeah, so what you need to see is really nothing The big thing that I noticed I don't know if anyone else did for anybody who here has been Unfortunate enough to see all of the homework You're supposed to have seen before this is that I feel like I missed about One film's worth of timeline between this and all of the stuff you're supposed to see before it We missed secret invasion. It made no sense following on from secret invasions that ended up with a massive war on earth Between the humans and the scrolls and then on this they're already on their own planet somewhere And it's like yeah, well, that's fine now. We're working with them all our lives They take refuge on earth. They can't do that Yeah Don't talk to each other no Of the MCU is it's an interconnected universe where the plot would develop over multiple films kind of like television But on a cinematic scale the promise is that But it's the worst of both worlds The stories don't actually connect to each other and in the ways that they do they contradict and damage each other It's like a new movie will introduce new Massive ramifications on the world building that will destroy everything Or assassinate characters and then that gets carried forward like a snowball effect. It's the worst of both worlds If captain marvel story from when we've like when she was hit by that crazy engine or whatever all the way up till now If there was a time in her life, they should have made a movie about it would probably be a Homeworld going through a civil war that almost destroyed like the entire star system that Engulfs it. It's like holy shit. That's really interesting. It's like no, we skipped all that You don't need to see that No, uh, you know That's not a story that would be worth watching. No, okay Instead we'll watch the two films that are on either end of it, which were much more boring It's crazy. Is that sound and you know with a budget like this? It's like you could have made that movie, but oh well I don't understand. It's a better idea Do you guys know about the title thing in china? Wait, what title thing like the movie title like it wasn't called the marvels or something? No, it's called the captain marvel 2 Captain marvel 2 and in my country too, it's it's advertised as captain marvel 2 um I know disclose it, but it Well, you've narrowed it down Yeah, it's not that far off but it's it's weird I thought it was a meme at first because I saw it a few months ago It was advertised as a poster and I thought they were like poking fun at the marketing But then I thought about it and I think that's like I don't understand why it was not marketed as captain marvel 2 I mean, I guess it makes more sense as the marvels but From the marketing standpoint it would sell better like at least I don't think it will I think that the only reason that captain marvel really made as much as it was Uh, or as much as it did was because it was between infinity war and end game It was writing the fucking insanely arguably the highest high that the mcu ever got which was right after end That's true, but is there more marketing power to the marvels than captain marvel? Uh, I mean, I think at this point there actually would be why I don't worry. Is there nobody knows who this marvel is I don't think that well. I think that's better than people knowing who captain marvel is I think that the big takeaway that people had from captain marvel was that it was boring When the film is actually awful But it kind of got away with just the perception of I was boring and lame Um, so I don't know. I feel like it suffers way more from apathy rather than a general dislike for the character Most people just don't care about that character I think that's the general kind of normie perspective because before I started doing this I was exactly the same. I'd watch a movie. I wouldn't really think about why it was awful or why I didn't like it I just write off as boring and leave So I think that's standard if you don't do this kind of thing Yeah I asked I asked around people and most people didn't until I told them that it was about captain marvel They didn't get it like what it was and my sister we sat down I watched it with my sister and she was like so what happened in the first one And I'm like this is the first one. What are you talking about? No the first one with the angelina joly and I'm like, oh my god No, that's tomb raider. That's that's way different. That's tomb raider tomb raiders in the mcu. Come on. Totally different Yeah, yeah That's funny as fuck like the it's so tangled and nonsense I don't even know that my family have even heard that this movie is out Let alone that it's a part of the mcu. Let alone something they might want to see Mm-hmm. Yeah, but but I mean didn't but the marketing told us that this is really important We've got to be there for what comes next X X sits there for a bit longer. Oh, oh my god If they're overstepping now imagine how interesting their marketing is gonna get in the next few years because they've already Resorted to Look iron man cap Thanos and X men. All right, and it's like none of that has anything to do with this film It's like yeah, I know but you like those things. So fuck you Avengers theme boop. Yeah, the Avengers theme. That's Tony. That's Steve. That's carol part of the Avengers Looks like she photoshopped herself with her arm around Tony The other issue is stuff like X med marketing Is it relies on sort of leaks of post credit scenes? The only people that are paying attention to this stuff would ever even hear about or watch And so It's a really terrible marketing strategy if you want to get it to a really broad like my dad's kind of thing He would know he would never have known that was the marvel's hidden scene that got leaked on twitter You know, it's just yeah marketing it to people who are probably already gonna watch it anyway. Probably. Yeah Then we get to find it really committed Yeah, yeah, yeah And um, I mean when it comes to the I mean speaking of the people who did see it of which there are not very many Shaping up to be the lowest uh the lowest box-off in marvel history Yeah, so it had the we now it's it's projected to earn 47 to 55 million domestic opening weekend Which is the lowest for an mc movie. I believe it's Lower than incredible hulk An incredible hulk came out 15 years ago. So adjusted for inflation You know, I mean and at the time it was just a standalone superhero movie It wasn't like a mcu and all these characters all these characters who we're gonna see is like It didn't cost over 200 million dollars to make Well, they uh, they're gonna have the record I imagine that may very well be unbeaten a drop from the first to the second film, you know in terms of Yeah, because you know our captain marvel made 1.1 billion With this one now. I mean shit. Are we looking at It would be lucky to make 300 million Yeah, it might it still might not be the tlj drop from Yeah, I was actually about to bring that up because the tlj drop we're talking like 700 million Yeah, but percentage wise it would be much bigger. That would be more than 50 percent. Yeah Yeah, that would be it'd be pretty gnarly either way But no one no no one's gonna be talking about this No, this isn't this isn't top gun or oppenheimer where it just keeps going and going and going It's gonna have really long legs, right? It's gonna have tiny little short legs a little full over pillar legs and not many of them It'll just have like imagine a caterpillar with one little leg And you're like, oh, how do you do this? Like what's just that little leg is dragging it forward over and over The caterpillar's like man. It's a good thing. I eat leaves or I'd be in trouble It just does a little waddle Um, yeah, it's not gonna make money and no one is going to tell their friends to go see it No one is good. It's not gonna have any word of mouth. No one's gonna remember this. It's already It feels like it's just dead Possible reason which is that it's it looks like likely to be marbles first true categorical undeniable failure Yeah, for those who are who are listening like, you know, you're gonna talk about the story of it It's like, oh, yeah, someone's gonna talk about why no one's gonna like this film But like what we're talking about right now is what I think the whole world is interested in if they're interested in talking about the marbles Which is the meta the box office the culture surrounding it. What's happening to the mcu? What's happened to disney? It's like, well, what about the characters? It's like 2023 has been a real interesting year because Dude, most of these movies have failed most of them. Yeah, most of them have failed The only successful ones are guardians 3 and across the spider verse Dude, so weird, too Directed by a guy who's going over to dc and the other one is totally disconnected from all of this Going back and forth between star wars and marvel as well like seeing So many so many similarities in terms of just this like nobody gives a shit you've like Apathy is set in so hard and it's like it's spread well beyond the the big main fans You know the people who would like die hard. It's like those those are well and done It's like it's getting out all of the random general audience. How'd you do that? Impressive reputation I mean Two years of consistent I was gonna say, how'd you do that? It's like haven't you been documenting it this whole time? I was like, yes, but how'd you do that? It's still I'm a little bit in disbelief that Actually did it they released two years of absolute shit to your films consistently over and over They did the madlats did it our choice of genesis would probably be end game, right? End game is actually where it began Right a lot of people would say captain marvels well problem with that, of course is infinity was pretty solid So it's like yeah, sure. Yeah infinity wars got a lot of good stuff And someone might say well no way home or whatever else if you consider those blips It's like no way home gets ignored anyway because it's sony and then guardians the galaxy three We didn't like it but a lot of people do and it did make money. It's like well, it's james gun That's how people square those two off Well as low as the bar is right now guardians of the galaxy three had good things in it Which automatically just felt much more Like I would happily see that as this one fits the formula that the quanta mania says the mom fits the even like Wakanda forever Lawson and funder This one was possibly one of the most garbled on fnt We were having a bit of a vote on like what everyone thinks in terms of the worst script versus worst problem And a lot of people were agreeing like this seems to be the most fucked up film in terms of Piecing it together, which makes sense considering it's an hour and a half When it wasn't supposed to be I I still don't know the motivation of the villain because Like correct. We can help you. It's just easier to She's an idiot for one in terms of her goals She could have achieved her goals easily and off screen quickly But instead she like fucks them up because she hates Captain Marvel The galaxy the milky way galaxy has a hundred billion stars And a hundred over a hundred billion planet to scale it in a different way and make us out Really does it's like if I needed to inject myself with the cure for my my particular disease And I'm like, how do I do this while also killing my enemy? It's like you could just you could just do it and then kill your enemy Like no, I have to find a way of solving my problem that kills my enemy I have to find a way that's in all likelihood gonna prompt intervention from that enemy who's much stronger and more powerful than me To the to the point where we've called her the annihilator Yeah She can fly faster than the speed of light and has enough power to like reignite dying stars We should pick a fight with her I love how she gets pissed about that name and it's like yeah, but it is true. So like How offended could you be? I'm not gonna say Spoiler warning even though technically I just said it No one is gonna watch this no anyone in chat. You're not gonna watch this you don't care what happens really You're not gonna see it in three weeks. You'll forget this efap happened So just you know grab a drink sit down We're gonna talk about this movie and we're gonna make fun of it. That's what we're here for This isn't a this isn't a serious movie All right. This isn't like a movie you watch. I do want to confirm though As was mentioned, uh, many people in chat may have seen the uh, efap reaction to the trailer Uh, fringy was absolutely correct. That is the death scene for the villain Had put the villain exploding in the trailer. Yep Nice Why why why did they do that? I I'm taking the hall movies in the hall mark The hallmark theory is my explanation for why they did that the hallmark theory being the reason why so many people Love those copy-paste shitty horrible hallmark movies is because they're super safe. They are they always end well Everything works out very cathartic. You don't have to worry about anything only the Hiniest of drama happens, which is then instantly resolved right after it That's the hallmark thing and so if you put the villain being annihilated in the trailer Then it's the hallmark theory. You don't have to worry about it. Things are gonna work out I'll be safe watching this film. This is the bad guy will lose the bad guy loses Everything's gonna work out just fine. You can come and see our movie, please Please as I was watching it. The only thing I wanted it to be true is that the flurkins actually did kill people That would be me that that entire scene would have been incredible What one of the flurkings just coughed up a skeleton I could you know what I could totally see them doing that and then all the characters go. Whoops We told everybody to get eaten by them Oh Well, yeah, because you're basically saying this is an alien life form that seems to use tentacles to drag people inside of its mouth Go in there guys As you are a moment where they were like forcibly feeding them People essentially yes. Yeah. Yeah, they were heroes were And these people were running away like And a lot of the marketing this is a shitty plan to begin with because then Fury transports all these cats in this cramped spaceship, and it's like, you know, you have hundreds of people They stop falling to get them Yeah, and they could just spit them up in a second notice. Oh, no That's exactly what happened The cats just do what you need them to do Yeah, so it's okay Especially space cats that'll like live crafty and monsters. Yes You know cats are known for doing what you tell them to do I know this might actually come across as a little disjointed to some of you guys who are who haven't seen the movie Which is the way we've been bouncing between all these things This film has a it this film has doubled and tripled down on the flurken cats From the first captain marvel. I mean work. Yeah, they they comprise A significant portion of this movie and their presence is quite prominent It's very it's in a lot of the scenes and as we go through the movie You'll you will see you will understand They really really wanted to make the flurken cats be a thing But I think they had a really good idea there for some reason. I guess I personally think all you need I think all you need to know about this movie is that there is a line That says attention crew, please stop running and let the kittens eat you That's a legit line in the movie Well, I thought that was I guess So those don't know like a horror scene the cat one runs away hides around the corner and they're waiting for them To feed the forest shit. There's no way it ain't happening The marketing for this film was very much uh banking on that like that's a big angle for this film I believe someone in the higher-up of marvel was like cats That's what we'll get this film over the line And play memories from the musical cats while the cats are on screen That's pretty clever a great idea This is marvel's rendition of cats There are CGI cats. There are too many too many songs And the song from the musical It's the cat's yeah midnight. Yeah the most famous song from the cat's musical which played In extensively in an already extensively long sequence, but we'll we'll get to it. I'll get to it I suppose Well, I just wanted to summarize right you're coming in for let's say captain marvel's side with her movie and all that will do is Like like prevent you from understanding the character we get given in this one She's like and the events between it are insane You come in from wand division and you've skipped a whole origin movie for monica rambo because now she's doing a job that Isn't even remotely understandable compared to what she was doing in wand division She has control of her powers that we didn't understand. She's an astronaut now She can do astro things. It's like it's like when did all of these things happen? It's like it was off screen shut up. You know, okay You watch secret invasion None of that is is going to be like all of it gets in the way of this film in terms of the scroll stuff And no acknowledgement of anything from secret invasion. In fact, I've seen the question asked and I think it's funny Does this movie take place before or after secret invasion? It's afterwards they they did give us the timeline. Oh, they did wait. What was the what was the clue? No, they told us the year and everything. Oh, like a secret invasion Specifically said this that was before this ignoring that Judging from like characters and like will building and stuff. Could you guess if it was before or after? Oh, no, no, I would have a shooting floor because it just does not follow. No, it doesn't follow at all That's why it would be there because it doesn't fit her follow at all And then if anything If anything you could say it has to be before because when they destroy that planet You could say well, they went to earth and that caused the trouble It's worth mentioning though But that's so bizarre to have secret invasion come out and then have this movie come out and it's before It's got so many character crossovers and drama crossovers and they don't acknowledge each other at all It's like wow, what a waste but also a bizarre choice And then of course you have like there's no stuff on the blip. There's no stuff on kang There's no stuff on the multivit Hmm I'm speaking a little too fast there, baby It's just funny though because people like oh, so it does regard the multiverse like yet its own fucking version again It like every one of these films has its own version of the multiverse that is caused by whatever and does whatever And then this miss marvel which nobody saw so There you go. That that is the summary of just all the content you would need to watch this and all of its effects It's it's a garbled mess and that is this the best they could do with a shared universe Do the point where um, I think it was uh, jeremy from geeks and games. I said this on both streams I was all into the past few days We're in the we're in the world now I think we're being a part of a shared universe is a detriment to the marketing of your film like people are gonna be like Don't go near it's a solo movie Like the batman or joker or um, you know a lot of these different ones that might be coming out It's like probably you're probably gonna be you can make it if your film is great and everything but like Attaching yourself to this fuckery is just pointless and and if anything and people are gonna be like, I don't fucking know what's going on No, this makes any sense. You know, so Yeah, I mean that's That's about that and it's a decent enough setup. I suppose to beginning the film I will say um If you go and if you're the kind of person who doesn't watch the shows you just go to the theaters and watch the movies You really you won't know who two of the protagonists are they just won't You know what's funnier about that is that a lot of people are like, oh Fuck that's the she's from it's like, no, you're not even really supposed you're not you're not gonna know that one and they're like Oh, I'm not. Okay Like I think people gaslight themselves at this point to be like, oh, yeah. No, I remember that one I think She was which one was she? She fly Sure fine. She could fly Um, yeah, it's gotten so tangled nobody else the fuck's going on I don't do this to remember if they should know what's going on I watched wonder vision and I don't know whether it was in that but in this monica rambo starts phasing through matter and appearing through Floors and stuff. I'm like, I can't remember that They never really they never really told us their power set in wonder vision. They showed us some stuff Intuitive. It's all intuitive. Monica Rambo in a in a spacesuit She goes through the wall that one way that's like right at the beginning. We should just do that chronologically, right? Yeah, yeah, sure Take it away fringy Well, uh, we open with a little kree armada head into a planet called mb 418 and the and the Dobben we we're gonna Unironically, people might not remember the kree They're in the marvels and uh And and they're like a big sort of intergalactic empire and they were at war with the scrolls Yeah, um, I was part of the kree, but she she left them and she left them so hard that her defining symbol left them So Is the symbol of the kree empire But you know, um, but yeah, that's the kree should we I can't believe I'm saying this Just just a quick quick reminder That the kree have a long standing Big old wall with the scrolls. That's how Captain marvel sort of starts and the scrolls are nearly wiped out the kree have mostly won And that film is about how the kree lied about a lot of what the scrolls are But then we kind of discovered a secret invasion that that was a lie because they were but this is where I mean It's hard to untangle this. I'm on the kree side. Yeah, so pro kree Captain marvel's mad that she got a the base God that one of the kree Just like like left the kree and went to earth to create Something to protect the scrolls That was that was marvel lady marvel Annette benning and then This is so fucked up like in terms of trying to get this all lined up is And and the the kree try to find her for ages And they managed to almost find her and then there's a big fight and she blows up their light speed engine Which is what the kree want to finish winning the war against the scrolls, which that doesn't make any sense we'll put that aside And then that that gives powers to captain marvel and they kidnap her and wipe her memory and try to convince her She's a scroll in order to use her for her power and captain marvel's the film where she Yeah, yeah, and then captain marvel's the film where she gets that memory back vaguely and isn't And you know angry at the kree for doing what they did and she kind of wipes them out and establishes herself as protector of earth And she's going to find her home for the scrolls She fails at all of these jobs and then We she says she's going to go back to harla home world of the kree and uh, you know Deal with them deal with the intelligence and deal with all this stuff and so That's like the last we left off with her And then that was 30 years ago. Yeah, so it's been a while I'm just saying like just I was about to say keep all that in mind But I'm like, maybe don't I don't know I don't know really benefit you that much to even keep it all in mind Well, it's gonna come up in a moment now because we get we get a previously on the cover the list I guess she doesn't age. No, she doesn't age. Um, no But like what I just said is something they put into a whole bunch of flashbacks in a second from now anyway, so Yeah, the film assumes that you don't know who the fuck anyone is or what's happened The film correctly assumed Yes, it's flashbacks, right? Captain marvel scenes. Yeah Monica Rambo, it's like whatever you like her She walked through a wall and she got powers That's all. Yeah. Well, I mean there you go. You summed up her whole story nice She walked through a wall and got powers is unironically. That's just it Her powers are to see and control light So how does she phase through solid matter? I which is by the way just to be clear. I can do half those powers I can't fucking believe she'd summarize it in the film and the trailer as she can see light. What the hell No, they did a different trailer which then retcon that to I can control like magnetic forces and stuff And then in the trailer we're back with I can see light No, and then moving back to I can see lights. So what? I can see light Yeah, that's so cool, bro And she look she phase through the bullet in one division. So Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, she she phases to It all makes sense. All right, but how could she fly then? I'll get you Light or something. I don't know And she didn't even know she cut other people told oh come on I actually said I think to free. I was like at least that was better than captain marvel leading to fly Which was literally off on no reference at least at least fury says hey fly Black girl magic I ain't gonna say white girl magic. It's not it's not we the hell did that even cover? I was like you've got to fly It's like, what do you mean? I've got a Say this to fucking wolverine like you gotta fly wolverine black as you can use your adamantium powers fly When that was in the trailer, I was like when it gets the movie that line will be explained It's like no Oh And then wasn't it that miss marvel had it anyway, and they did the switch anyways. Oh, wait, wait, we're gathered We're like, yeah At the beginning of the movie, uh, the first thing that happens in the movie is discreet fleet heads to this barren planet and they they they're they're They're excavating and they dig up this like ancient sort of uh artifact of some kind and break it apart and inside of it There's this it's this quantum band. It's this band Uh, they've been looking for uh, but there's meant to be two of them, but there's only one. Oh my goodness Um, where is the other one and then we hard cut over to uh back on earth, um But what where's the other one like it's just like here I need to see if it is funny How do they find that one? I I don't know. That's a great question. We just have just you know, I'll give it to him It is funny though. It's like we need to get this out of the theater faster captain marvel even says I thought those were a myth so Well, so something but not anymore More and I decided it would be worthwhile to actually watch miss marvel in the hopes that there would be some additional information All it does is make things a lot more complicated But there was one character in that show who was able to track kamala because uh, he sensed They called her like light manifestations like all of that they called it the nor and that it comes from the nor dimension Which is like a parallel dimension. This would be extra context This this makes things easier to understand So she's draining power from a different universe. It's it's the idea dimension, bro She's her lineage would be horrific on the other side well I The idea is that because her lineage is partially from a different dimension and but she's also from earth That's how she's killing her ancestors universe. Well, I I turned no Listen, we watched miss marvel. We didn't watch like we didn't talk to kevin feige again Fucking shit. We're so we kept draining my power. That'd be like, I got this is a bit mean Okay, okay. If you guys watched it explain this to me. Does she get her fucking powers from the bands or not? No Yeah I mean we we can say that in in in miss marvel There's a character explicitly says the band's like activated and focused your power. They're not the source of it He does say that. Okay. Okay. Why is she still wearing them? Uh, well She's got the other one, um, but she's you know, she's sitting in her room writing fan fiction about herself Going on adventures with captain marvel because she's a really big fan of captain marvel Well, I mean it makes a lot of sense everyone's captain marvel has been around on earth all the time You know for for years and years and years. She's been a very active participant in earth affairs Yeah, the way, uh, I phrased it on I think it was fnt was like We're there's no reason to be a fan of captain marvel in our universe now I'm willing to bet there's plenty of people who consider themselves captain all fans. That's totally fine She's got a superhero movie. She's the protagonist in it. She saves people quote unquote I can buy that I really can't buy it in universe You've got barely any footage of her like no lines of anything she has investments in And she just like shows up blast through things and then leaves and it's like I guess you could be a fan of her in like a very superficial way like she looks cool But even then, you know, I mean so it's like I have to leverage that Now someone could be like, oh, well, what what the fuck's the issue? And it's like I I don't know I just think that if if kamala was gonna idolize any one hero in in the universe like what the fuck would it She's like last on the list If it was like it'd be you'd be more likely to idolize wasp than you would absolutely marvel because he's around on earth When she's got a humanitarian project. She's working on everything earth related She's trying to save people like in all kinds of ways that are non superhero We know there's issues with that as well But I'm just saying like you are right like pick any other and if it has to be a female I don't doesn't have to be but if it if it does shortly you could pick all of the even fucking wonder Like before she went nobody knows about all that. Okay, it's fine. Nobody knows about the killing everybody um Yeah, this this whole animation is is all like expressive of how much she adores captain marvel Which is present in her show as well. And it's just but why then you'll notice there's nothing specific thick in this movie She's really really loves captain. Well, I think they thought it was like a fun aspect She's like the fangirl in the form of like an actual superhero too And it's just like yeah, but why did you make her a fangirl of captain marvel? Does it make sense? She's the one person who probably can't have fan Thanos would have more fans than captain marvel I like him more than captain marvel I respect him more than captain marvel Oh my god, do you think that's a representation thing? But they think the like a lot of young girls will look up to captain marvel And so that's meant to be the young girl in the movie. Yes. Yeah like an insert thing. Like I said The problem is that like nobody knows anything about captain marvel in the universe We do because we've seen a film but like nobody no people You know like most of what she did in the 90s was secret Yeah, apparently she had a really big stint in the gap in the five-year gap that we never heard about and that is what she didn't know She wasn't around No, it wasn't the case I mean, that's that's basically all it's it presents it as like a sort of animation that's like Yeah, you know, it's the best part of the film kind of it's the best I think it's because spider-verse had it so we needed to have our little like Interesting comic bookie drawing animation thing And so yeah, you might be right actually Well, I think it is yeah Because one could say like well, they did it in the show and it's like well He probably did it in the show because of that too, right? Yeah, the show came out after the spider-verse was 2018. So yeah Oh, okay. Well, uh, yeah anyway Kamala She's uh, she's she's sitting on a bed and then her uh her bangle that she's wearing starts to to glow Which is a little bit odd. It's not meant to be doing that But then uh, then then there's a fluke and then it's just like uh-oh what's going on? But then we jump back way way earlier that day To uh, it's a good old carol sitting on our ship Using like I guess portable versions of the scroll memory extraction device To unlock the portable memory store. Yeah a little bit. Yeah, that restore 3.0 Now remember so she's trying to unlock her memories from earth Which was one of the things that she was trying to do in the first movie, which was nearly 30 years ago Yeah, I guess in 30 years To lock nothing And unlocking the memories, but it's really helpful because it just relays all of the important plot points of cats Oh, it is funny. And uh, I made this joke in the quarter media video that when modoc arrives It's like scott lag and then it's like, are you we fought that are you beat me? This is like at bad ones Here I am just like whoa That was pathetic like in the middle of a movie to have a previously on this movie does it for captain well captain marvel monica and for uh, kamala like it In among the memories and then the uh, because they have a second memory store scene I have a second memory store that relays portable memory stores Because yeah, the second one has one division stuff and uh, miss marvel stuff. I think in it as well This um, it's getting so bad And the the fact that we know that they we could make jokes about like oh come on marvel No one remembers this character. It's like no now the joke is marvel knows you don't remember this character And so they're like, oh shit This is she did this and this and this does that ring any bells? You like no Well, the really funny part is that because one of the things that they do in this A little sequence to make it seem like it's not just a complete exposition dump is that they have these little glimpses of our carol Like wearing the the the same costume that she had in the in the first movie. So back in the 90s Um blowing up like a big building on our huller To strain what looks to be like the supreme intelligence, which is The ai entity that controls their entire society. It's one of the villains in the uh in the first movie Um, but then she wakes up and she's like, oh that was that was scary. I didn't like that And just random bits in there of like, oh monica. Oh, I like monica. I've seen monica in a while Yeah, shut up in uh in 30 years. Yeah It's been a while in a while. I just find it funny that she's made no progress seemingly at all Like because was it one of my lucky memories? Was it one division that we discovered that she hadn't seen captain marvel since she was a kid and we were like, huh? Because that doesn't even make sense right and it's like, yeah, I guess that's going to be a source of drama And it's like we finally get to see how that's going to go in this movie And finally acknowledge carols startling absence from all earth affairs. They have in the entire 30 years Whether accidental on pippers or on papers They have made captain marvel quite the coward when it comes to dealing with situations. She runs away from almost everything I mean what she couldn't have been helpful when fighting our low key in avengers She couldn't have been helpful against age of ultron really. No, I mean Actually, it's just the instant win button that you can just press pretty much and she can travel Almost instantly across interstellar travel and everything but simultaneously can't we'll get to this one She was just busy getting married and singing She was busy singing Mary Even she does this this bitchy statements in some of the films where she's like Yeah, you know, your world is in trouble But there was a lot of wheels out there that needed my help and like, you know, rhodi's like, oh, yeah, shit Okay, you just you just want a hard cut to the singing dance and wedding sequence and just be like, yeah, she was busy Busy She couldn't Do that so Well, so what happens now is carol she gets a call from fury who mentions a surge in the jump point system a few hours ago So reminded the jump points like these hexagons In space we saw him in guardians 2 for the first time. I think we saw him in guardians 2 Oh, yeah, honestly a really great little bit of sci-fi to answer a difficult question easily Yeah, how do they travel uh between, you know different star systems as quickly and it's they have this big network of Jump points that connect different places across diamond space like imagine like a wormhole You feel like when they introduce a thing like that and it's like oh cool And they make it super simple so that everyone can make use of it and stuff Like if you were james gun and you introduced that as a piece of tech and other people like do you mind if I Yeah, you know using you like, yeah, and then this film is like we're gonna talk about how weird Like we know what tech made them and how to destroy the manipulate the what they've been It's like no don't stay away. Don't touch them. They're fine as they work If you started all your stupid retarded lore to them, they're gonna fucking ruin them What like the idea they were all created by two bracelets that had to be transported to each place to begin with And so whoever set them all up was traveling at normal speed I unless one had to assume that they were able to remotely create them across all of time and space from one And I don't know about that But the the entire network's been affected by a surge in the the jump point system and fury Traced it to uh mb4 18 the planet that we saw right at the beginning. Uh, and carol is nearby By everything in the galaxy, okay, yeah, um, so again space is really big So it's that's pretty coincidental, but you know if the movies only just started so, you know, it's no big deal um And then and then while this is all happening fury mentions that uh, monica's gonna be sending over some intel because she's been getting Readings on it and that uh, that kind of gives carol pause She asked monica is okay, and then fury points out that monica is an adult and could take care of herself Which is a little bit awkward. It's like, I mean, yeah, I mean it has been 30 years carol Where were you just though like because she's would be essentially immortal at this point that She can't perceive time like she would have forgot that it wasn't a little girl But she's not that old in her own memories. So 30 years should still be a long time to her She reacts as if she's a child, but it's been 30 years Well, and it's just it's just art to me and it right but not here If there is a girl who is the daughter of one of your closest and best friends of all time that you told you Not only protect but be there for you haven't seen her in 30 years But you're also working the same office building so to speak with fury. You know what I mean? It's like no It just seems like an impossibility that they wouldn't be interacting with each other because like to jump out a little bit later on in the film Like carol's kind of surprised when uh monica mentions that she's a captain At this point. So it's like, oh, so she this is probably been a like whole career like, you know for a whole life It just seems like she's pretty oblivious to her to what her like Why would she regularly interacts with fury at least certainly from end game And also, you know at some point may or may not have actually visited us You know even briefly Um, but that's that we're not there yet. Yeah, we'll go Meanwhile as this conversation is happening we cut over to sabre station, which um I think this is the first time that we saw this station, right a secret invasion. They like well far from home Does that count? Do we see? Invasion I thought at the end of far from home. We see walking around in the station, right? Uh, oh Oh Maybe that was meant to be I assume that was supposed to be the drop for the like they would have been Contriving all of this to shit that we're seeing right now in like paper form when far from home was on screens You know, I mean they were like, oh, yeah Planned of exactly what it was going to mean. Yeah, they didn't know To help everybody out. So you guys remember shield. Um, so one division there was sword Which I think is meant to be like the outer space Equivalent of that the question of whether our sword was just evil. It was confusing They played around with that evil guy, but um, evil guy Monica was part of sword and she's a good guy. So you know, but it's Sabre is a Space station in orbit above earth Near the jump point that's above earth and they're doing all of their space stuff and Monica's out there Fixing a device uh to get a reading on uh, the jump point and it was mentioned before she uh, she phases through her Um, uh astronaut suit to like shoot lasers out of her hand to repair the equipment What? It's it's as bad You know when we watched the trailer the first trailer for the marvels There was loads of things people pointed out including us about like how nothing makes it he says It's worse in the context of the film It's like What in the world is happening? How can you phase just your arm through the suit when in the whole like we I don't think there's a spoiler like in terms of getting ahead She can only she she binary phases as in like she can phase through everything or nothing She can't she can't just do like an arm. That's something we find out later in the film The first thing we see her do is phase through just a portion of her suit Yeah, it's her. Hello Yeah, I know Like I guess I'm just easing stop all physics applying to you like well, it makes you wonder What happens at the point of her arm in the suit? Do you see what I'm saying like like The point of which she becomes solid. What what's happening there? Reach in the suit the suit should just float away while she's floating in space and then she should realize like oh I'm an idiot. I'm about to die because if I re-phase I'm dead If she if she can phase does she even need to breathe like if she can make herself intangible Like dummy. I guess you know what I mean like she could does she even need this is something that I don't know what's going on But in guardians when you were in the vacuum of space you froze and died But now Like it's really no problem at all for the most part Well, yeah, and if everyone remembers the captain marvel She had a little force field that came around her mouth to seal up her suit And then they just didn't have that later and then later. She didn't even have the suit. She was just She's just fine face. Yeah. Yeah That's in this as well Oh, yeah, this it's in this and to jump ahead monica also appears to be immune to the effects of the vacuum um so Yeah, I don't know. I'm not really sure why um Uh in anyway continuing um one of the saber personnel from because monica has powers um one of the saber personnel that's out there with her Just says that she can like fix the device and for some reason this prompts her to Disconnect from her line and then fly over to the jump point I found that strange It that they were talking about fixing the device and then it's like well you got superpowers So maybe you can fix it quicker and then she like goes elsewhere I thought they said that they were never going to fix it in time But he can't I thought he nodded to the portal and said but someone the superpowers could get it directly Is I get oh, okay. Maybe that's what they said then. Um, I may have just made it make sense in my head though I'm not sure that's what I assumed. I guess it's not a big deal You know, maybe she needs to go over and examine the jump point up close to you know fix it It's it's whatever gear with her. That's what I could understand. I don't know Yeah, this doesn't work because she should be doing it with some form of gear She should never think I'll just touch it. Why would they would never so she should be doing that with gear Like at least by that if they said like monica, it's a bit dangerous and she's a bit more She's out. She's a rebel. She'll be like, uh, I'm gonna get your readings one way or another. I'm I'll be fine But uh, and you know something that fury points out as well in the movie It's like you do know how stupid this is. Yeah, keep doing it I'm gonna find it by hand Is the notion of even being able to fix it, you know the idea that you can fix an ancient network of uh, Like portals between space it kind of now I can't remember but in mass effect Did they ever like do any work on the relays or were the relays the relays were just as they were They were just as they were protean technology that they used for their empire. So That's yeah, I can't imagine that they'd be doing maintenance on it It's kind of like you have to work with the system or you don't get to use it at all But you know again, it's you know, not not a big deal. Maybe maybe they can do something to fix that surge Um, but yeah, she starts flying over to the jump point and then we cut back to carol flying down to uh The mb4 18 the the barren planet. Uh, she's got goose with her the alien cat from the first movie She just brought her down with her for some reason. Why? Why? Why? Well, no, you know the answer to that for you. It's funny memes. Well, I know the reason why is because uh goose is Perhaps perhaps the most important character in this film But yeah, so she she uh She as this is happening we cut back to fury noticing that monica is uh flying over to the uh to the To the jump point in their sabre to try and get a reading on the residual effects and then for and then fury connects uh carol and monica's calls Um, but it's kind of like they're static. It's kind of like it's it's doing a bit of a flump But um, they managed to get enough through that monica realizes she's been connected to carol But she don't she don't want to talk to her. She's like, oh, no, I don't you know, I don't want to I don't want to have a reunion like this. I don't want to talk to her and and it's like, hmm interesting or was sensing a little bit of our attention a bit of Sensing a little bit of conflict, I guess um And there's really nothing more to be made of that that's that's that and then they just move forward with the plot Unless anybody else had any observations about that exchange No, we'll get more on it Yeah, move it on. Um, so carol as she's flying around on the the moon She finds an unstable jump point above the planet. Um, this one isn't closing and it's kind of like It's looking a bit flupid. It's it's sort of cracking at the seams and everything Um a comedic beat though of like her being like, oh You know, I think I found something and then the camera shows us her puv It's this enormous energy swirling thing and it's just like, hmm. That looks like I think I found something over here. Um, but it's at this point that there's a lot of static like Fury can't talk to carol. There's a static. He can't hear Damn darn. Oh, yeah, that's unfortunate possibly happened. Dang Uh, and and and that's the same with monica as well. She was getting a lot of static as well. Um, despite this Uh, both of them continue to head towards the uh, towards the jump points the respective ones in their different locations Um, and there's a bunch of leaking. Okay. So there's a bunch of like there's a there's goo like leaking from these jump points You like that this thing you do This isn't the fun kind of goo. It's it's a lame goo. This is bad goo Yeah, it's it's it's jump point unstable jump point goo and it's leaking off of the uh, it's leaking off of the jump points And carol and monica very slowly start approaching it and reaching out and touching it For seemingly no reason What no, that's what you would do though, you know, I mean, that's what you do That's what I can do. That's surely what you would do. You would just Touch it space goo you you'd go towards it and you'd touch it Yeah Yeah, no, I can't argue with that. Um, but in any case as they're Reaching for it We start to see with they're showing carol and monica and then they're showing kamala at the same time in in each of the locations and as carol and monica start reaching at the goo Um, there's like a big like fool. Oh, oh my god, something's happened and all of the characters have switched to locations Um, they're all in different locations. So uh, kamala has been teleported into space Yeah, if we can the there's no reason not to establish it now so that we can see how it plays out as we go along But it's it's the the jump point, you know, energy was initially created with the the bands and so that's why You know one monica happening to touch it at the same time captain marvel happens to touch it at the same time Kamala is wearing the band. That's what connects those three. It's like, okay, shouldn't there be a fourth connection here The lady who's wearing the other band, you know, that's a really good point. Um, yeah Imagine it was switching the fucking villain That's not how it works Which um, probably worth stating right now. Uh, this is insane Um, that this happened that these two characters just so happen to touch leaking energy From unstable jump points at exactly the same moment thereby entangling all of their powers and making them switch places whenever they use them Thereby creating the whole story That's insane. That's an insane coincidence It's an insane coincidence driven by a really stupid decision Which is why would you touch the leaking groove? Why would you do that? No, no, yes, the adventurous spirit that we typically sit here from you Fringe I um, it's it's nuts for any one character to do it both of them do it and they do it at exactly the same time It's like, okay And in the movie they explain it But they don't even seem to realize why it's happened because they say they're just entangled through light based powers They never go wait. Were you touching this portal? It's exactly the same moment night. Yeah, I do. It's weird The first time it happened I was so confused I was like what what is going on? No, but see that's what that's going for they were looking to so the audience would be like, oh, whoa, what's going on? Oh, that's crazy. Yeah, but it's not in a good way because it's edited so bad It was no badly made I wouldn't be surprised if this was one of the uh Because they did an entire month of reshoots. I wouldn't be surprised if this was one of the things They added in to try and explain how they were tied properly And before it was just we have the same powers therefore this happened Well, I think the thing it's what Mola mentioned but it is like You know Kamala's not doing anything. She's just like sitting in her house And it's specifically that her bangle glows which means if she wasn't wearing it would she have not been Entangled I the answer has got to be yes, right? Yeah, because she didn't do anything so yeah, so let's go with the opposite of that Like it's it I just seems and then of course when you stack on top that carol was even in a position to be able to do this That she was just in the neighborhood In all of the places she could have been and not only in the milky way galaxy But in any of the other galaxies she's visited she just happened to be right next to the place Where the unstable the first unstable jump point was created so that she could even be there to touch it And then cause a whole plot to happen See how that one considering the scale of the universe. So it's actually insanely fortunate Yes, this is also why monica rambo is in a suit to begin with because she doesn't need one She can be in space and be absolutely fine. So she's only in that suit so that miss marvel doesn't die immediately Yeah To touch the goo um and then when it switches Kamala gets teleported into the spacesuit, but like imagine if she didn't imagine if the spacesuit also got teleported And then the film again Kamala being teleported into the back of the space instantly nick fury would probably be like, huh? Yeah, yeah, because that clothes teleport Yeah, that's the thing. Um, but but yet the spacesuit doesn't and at one point miss marvel even teleports people within an area of effect on it Yeah, well, yeah, it's it's uh because because she teleports goose because goose like jumps onto her And then yeah, she teleports people who will like contain within spheres that she creates with her light powers so Can you imagine if like nick fury's you're staring out of his window and then just someone teleports and just he's a Like a pop in space That'd be a weird movie Yeah, so this is like what five coincidences stacked on top of each other that are insane Oh It's already destroyed like all the plot It drove her before it's even began Well, and I guess the saddest part of it all is just like once again It's like I was listening movie you told me it worked this way and then you just totally didn't have it work that way at all Why do you even bother? What's the point? I gave you the the tiniest amount of credit by listening to you You screwed me But paying attention to you so this movie is punishing you are punished for paying attention to what happens Yeah, especially with that Well, especially Halfway through the movie, I realized that I was not paying attention to any of the plot And nothing suddenly wake up and you don't realize you'd like Oh Mechanism So I was mentioned before I think you mentioned it before not so that the editing is very confusing Yes, I'll try my best to help be clear on where everybody is at any given time So after this one After this switch Carol is teleported into Kamala's house Monica is teleported teleported to the moon that Carol was on And uh Kamala gets teleported into space and then the blast shoots her She gets sent back to sabre And then it's like oh my god. Oh look it's nick fury. Oh how exciting which oh wow. I know nick fury Yeah, but like you just got teleported into space. Like I don't know. I feel like this hype Is misplaced, you know I'm I'm weightless in space the sensation like the physical sensation of me like all of a sudden being weightless in a spacesuit Outside of the earth was like oh, yeah That would probably be more important even if in universe that was samuel l jackson I still think that that takes second priority to my current imagine seeing the earth where she was and said That would be something to behold, you know, they were like fuck Mm-hmm Oh, and I guess is it is it just worth mentioning very quickly the rules for The flip of lopin are if one of the three people use their powers, it's fine If two at the same time, except when it doesn't they switch if three use them all at the same time They all like, you know clockwise switch around to clockwise whatever it's random, right? They could go anywhere seemingly Yeah, I watched the entire movie. I didn't realize that was the rule. Yeah. Oh because they break it a lot That's why They do explicitly say it but they contradict themselves, but yes, the idea There's logic to this fringy Sorry, fringy. Did you know that today is the 12 year anniversary of skyrim? real Came out 12 years ago today. Is that why they released the marvels and how to cover it today as a celebration Makes sense. Well, I it's a it's a very it's an incredible day It's this 12th year 12th year anniversary of skyrim. It's also a veteran's day in the u.s. So thank you veterans. Good job Sorry, we're covering the marvels But uh, we are veterans ourselves in a strange way It's been So, uh carol heads downstairs and bumps into kamala's family who React relatively calmly all things considered to just captain marvel being in their house Um, yeah I think it's part of a general issue even though the family is probably my favorite part um Yes, I have a line. I really like yeah the characters in And we saw this in quantum mania We saw we see this a lot in a lot of stuff People don't take their situation seriously And if they don't take their situation seriously, it is it makes it difficult for me to take their situation seriously But the film kind of doesn't want you to take it seriously. No, no Take it seriously. No, no What we said this captain marvel pressuring you that was the one line that got me to laugh that was the one line Uh, well that way and the whole related thing uh when when she refers to her as auntie carol That they like oh, yeah related Okay, it's if you go up to a wall Right, you're trapped in this terrible room and it's the mcu. You're in the terrible mcu room You notice on the wall, there's a tiny little pinhole a little tiny little pinhole And you're like, oh, that's interesting and you and you look through the pinhole And on the other side of the wall is just the normal world Just the nor this normal world reality normal people things happening laws of law. It's wonderful The family is like that tiny tiny little bitty Itty bitty tiny pinhole that that you're looking through. Well, and even they aren't normal a lot. So no, they're not that like super normal But they're like kind of like that's the pinhole, right? It's not like a window. It's a pinhole Well, there's a lot of reviews have been saying and I kind of agree with it It's like Kamala herself is also like kind of reminds you of a little bit of enthusiasm remember that that experience that emotion So the actress is trying so hard Yeah, she she wants to have fun, uh, then you're like, oh, that's nice Like good for you I mean she has more personality than The other two two Yeah Yeah, yeah It helps that her Yeah, it helps that her actress is like a legit fan of the character and the source materials But we won't hold that against her. She does a yeah You know with with what she's given it is actually kind of sad and ashamed that uh, yeah that I guess that she's trying on it Yeah, but they don't do anything with her character. Her character is I really like captain marvel Wait, well, hold on. We you know the movie's only started. Maybe we've got a bunch of riveting character development Yeah, come that's true. She's gonna go on an arc. What are you remember those? Do you remember those? Maybe changing over time Captain marvel the the film was where they killed ox in the mcu. It's like that's it um Yeah, yeah, because I mean like and the wasp had a point and we began at that point here. We Wait, I'm Had an arc right that's what I'm saying why captain marvel was kind of the beginning of the end of ox Oh god, no It's it's complicated because even endgame has some like what could be called arcs. They're like thin and and small and weird Some of them happen off screen all that meme did did you did you purchase a discord profile animation? Um This one came free. Oh does it okay. All right. Yeah, this was one of the free ones to test That's why I asked before I mocked you You're good. Yeah, you're fine um Well, so anyway, uh carol heads outside and attempts to fly back into space I'm gets teleported uh back to mb 4 118 So I guess she just decided to fly after being teleported to earth I don't know. You know what I mean like it's like, hmm. All right This is where I start confused like when she flies She only teleports when she hits a certain speed Like they can fly but if they fly too fast people teleport. I think what the logic is meant to be that At some point when she was flying, uh monica must have used her powers and so mid-flight they switched I believe that is the logic. Yes My theory was that it was like back to the future. But like when they hit a certain speed something happened They're like that's what you gotta do What you gotta do now is to fly up. Yeah, it's like yes No, it's it's meant to be when they use their powers. Um, but but yeah that that teleports carol back there Well, and then she should be mentioned. Um How does the universe determine when the power is quote unquote being used? I think it's relatively straightforward for kamala At least for to the audience because she's a human who can then make constructs Like so it's whenever she makes the constructs. I guess with monica. It's like, well It's a little bit harder to say because she's barely human at this point She's like biology is completely altered and then like captain marvel She's always using her power quote unquote because She's like super strong and really agile It's meant to be that it's like it's kind of like whenever you see some glowing power of something Yeah, like whenever you see something that's kind of color coded to one of the characters then it's like, all right Yeah, now that blasting switch The lightspeed engine onto her provided her a laundry list of power But then it's like yeah, but only using flight or punching with your glowiness activates it It's like no, I don't mean it's it's like she has active and passive abilities Yeah, it's like the passive abilities are irrelevant In terms of the the switching. Yeah, pretty much you have to accept it Otherwise the whole movie can't happen Um, but then in any case remember her powers are genetic now Because that's how we could take her blood and give it to other people Oh, oh right because it's a secret invasion. You can invasion. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Oh Yeah, that's a good point I got confused why the person from secret invasion jeer wasn't switching when they said We get tied together for our life powers So she she didn't touch we have to So we I think with all of this we have to accept that it is because they were touching the goo Yes, and mala was wearing the bangle. It has to be why I still think that was a reshoot I don't think that was original. I don't know. I just I love the idea of guy again fucking thrown into all this too She's just pooping around with all of them like the fucking you and she's like, I don't even know who I am Well, then you're gonna throw in adam warlock as well. He's got some light-based shit going on You gotta touch the goo, but you also Well, you all have a bangle, which like I said Dark band should be joining them for this adventure. Maybe she took it off though Maybe she's taking it off. That would make no sense at all Someone in chat is asking was the power stone in the movie like rags predicted. No We'll get to that when we introduce Well, we kind of have But I want to talk about your hammer We'll get there Yeah, because we didn't we didn't see her doing anything with the hammer in the uh, the opening unfortunate Well, I I genuinely just take it as a mistake on their part that they've well, I think Ronan's hammer All right, like what do you mean a mistake that they've copied the hammer it doesn't just I saw someone Say like well when you consider how they made the hydro weapons They use the energy of the tesseract and that was separated from the tesseract right and it's like yeah, but Nobody was mass producing ronan hammers from the fucking power stone You don't know and it got destroyed. No, they weren't because it was in zandar Then it went to Thanos and then it was destroyed You didn't you don't you that they could have done that Yeah, maybe maybe he took a he took a detour to give the schematics to one of his guys on the way there It's like can you make a copy of this? You make a ronan hammer with the purple fleams that help pass it over to this girl for some reason That's a part of the cre that Thanos doesn't have alignment with at all. But yeah, sure I get what you mean though in terms of the error of it's all it's all purple flumes But like the reason why there's a purple flume was because of the power stone Yeah, and so yeah, like my dumbass is like, oh, okay, so it's like the ronan hammer It's purple it glows like the power stone. This is like power stone stuff and the movie's like No The movie's like I don't care. Okay someone said mola wrote of the accusers a title accusers get the hammer Why are you saying that to me? What does that assist at all? I don't care who has the fucking hammer I care who has the pimple hammer the pimple glowy hammer That's not her title her title is supreme or supremo, right? Wasn't it? Well, so when she said my predecessor, I didn't know if she meant ronan or the supreme intelligence or both I assume that it was ronan. Well that there you go Because it's What were ronan, what were ronan shoulders? What did they look like? Uh No, the big big shoulder pads Oh my fucking god This is serious. We're trying to solve the film. What was her name for you supremo? I think it was supremo. Yeah. Darben the supremo. Yeah, she's not called supremo. Darben the accuser Yeah, exactly You in chat you got it wrong. That's right sit out. Yeah, that's right. Yes. I was trying to use my brain To explain to that shatter. I don't care that she has a hammer. I care that her hammer is all magical and purply. It shouldn't be Because i'm in there, okay, unless it's just coincidental Yeah, she just It just goes well with like like a dark gray. I think that's what I genuinely think that's why it's in the movie They're like the hammer looks cooler when it's got the purple lights on it An animation department was like She's living in the footsteps of a man In animation department. They were like, we need a hammer And they probably contacted other people or like, you know Searched through archives and found a hammer and they used it and nobody realized it was Ronan's Like that's my head canon. I mean to the point that audience has tested most positively with purple It genuinely feels like she inherited his hammer without them remembering the hammer got fucking destroyed Like they're like, oh it did like yeah, and they're like, oh well dimensions Universe This is just this is just like the dwarves. Okay Ronan accusers always have spare hammers. Just like dwarves have spare hammers, too You don't want people to know you're using your spare hammer Exactly. All right Uh, so imagine if they were still doing the switching when the sun reignited that would have been funny What disperu was talking about Yeah, I think they must have been because it's only when the the villain is over. No. Oh, yeah, by the way Clearly you missed the part where one of the characters just said it's not happening anymore And they're like, oh, okay, but that was afterwards Yeah, but you have to just trust that what they're saying is totally Accurate and applies to whenever you wouldn't want it to happen I really wish they they would have told me the moment because I took that as the moment It was over. So if it had finished beforehand, it would have been funny then Just fucking depositing this marvel into the center of a sun Yeah, she's like, no, we won't switch anymore. Trust me. And then she gets teleported into the sun But it's like before captain marvel hits. So it does fuck So, uh, carol just starts fighting a bunch of kree soldiers who are now there that weren't there before Maybe they were hiding somewhere on the planet. Uh, and she she grabs one of the I I guess I'll wait until they knew that carol was going to come even though they didn't They were waiting in order to tell her where to go next. That's their whole well Yes So the the big important thing is that she grabs one of the soldiers like, oh, what's darth been up to it? He's like, oh, you're too late. She's going to tarnaq. She's got to fuck it up. It's like, oh, thanks, bro You just told her where to go You can't defeat her He's gonna be said nothing She'd have nothing that actually be nothing for her. She'd have no leads Well, there's no reason for them to be there. So if they were just with darth ben This whole plot line would again be different Do you do do you am I going insane? Are you saying darth ben? I am saying that? Yeah Okay, I'm sure Okay, so for the sake of clarity, I'll just keep calling her darth ben now. Just uh, just to make sure that we're not confused Yeah, I just wanted to check I actually thought that was the name I thought it was like a weird tile It's her name now In any case, carol just She hates being called the annihilator right because she she's like they get to explain later But she despises the name. There's someone even calls it. She's like, I don't like that name And the first thing she does when she meets these kree soldiers is murder all of them. Yes. Yes I was about to tell you she kills all of them She is If you want your name to change Well, no, she's found a better way to spruce. She'll just kill all the people that call her that Annihilate them She's just trying to get this to call her buddarella. She'll prefer that that If you're a kree soldier and you all of a sudden find yourself watching captain marvel like teleport in front of you um And then like and she like destroyed your civilization aren't aren't you gonna be like Like you're not gonna say that this is like if you like see satan Oh, yeah You'd be petrified. You'd be like holy crap. It's you. You're the it's the annihilator You're the one and why would they even pick a fight with her? You know, why why bother like she's indestructible for my life I can't kill her So if they just run out there to give her information that is essential Otherwise she'd be at a dead end and then she and then they die That's it. You're done. See you and then she flies off goes to a ship Tells our fury that the kree are going to tarnax to mess with the scrolls because there are some scrolls there And then fury tells carol All right, like chill out. They're like doing a peace summit and carol kind of doesn't really care She's like, uh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I all good and flies away. Well, I think we're meant to assume I don't know if we're meant to assume if these are secret invasion scrolls or scrolls from some other place I think they did offhand mention that uh good old graph grand grand graphite who was his name from That's the one. I think he said he'd collected So or they'd collected some pockets of scrolls and there's always more pockets of scrolls I think we're just supposed to assume this is The uh, the the scroll leader that we meet there drogue. I think that's his name drogue He says they're like scattered across the cosmos. So I guess we there's an inexhaustible supply of just extra Scrolls whenever we need them to like appear for the plot um But but basically the point here is that there is no connection to secret invasion like they're not connected at all This is not related. This doesn't follow. Well, I think it just caused problems, right? Because it means that there's no acknowledgement of everything that went wrong with that including carol's failure for the scrolls as well Just to throw it on top Um, I'll take your word for it. I can't help the scrolls, but I can fuck up the kree Um, so in any case, um now this is this is confusing monica is back on sabre Help me out here. Yes So the reason why this is confusing to me is so kamala Just decided to use her light powers at some point while she was floating in space or When furie brought her on to Sabre and then she switched again with monica Yes, that's what we're supposed to assume happened. I wonder if there was a scene to explain this and it got cut I I have to imagine there is because otherwise I don't really understand Like that just doesn't follow to me at all. Like I don't know. There's no line up this way Like maybe miss marvel was like, oh, I've got to boot myself toward the space station I don't know how to use this suit. Maybe I'll use my powers and then she goes. Whoa. I'm back home It's not crazy. She seems to know how to use the powers because she uses You know how like the space suits have the jets of compressed air to slow it down She uses those somehow when she's flying towards sabre. Yeah, that is bad or someone on board did it So you got nothing. There's something wrong here Um, the way that I tried to figure it out is so because carol got switched back to the moon Which means monica used her powers But if only those two use the powers then monica would have been teleported to kamala's house Unless she also coincidentally used her powers at the same time and coincidentally got teleported home Instead of to the moon where she would have either been killed or captured by the kree And then they would have gotten the second bangle and then darben would have won No, no, no if she got second bad, she would not have won free. Oh, yeah. Well, well It's she would have she wouldn't have won per se. She would have put it in quotes briefly She would have won quote as far as we're aware at this point. She would have succeeded She would have got what she wanted But fortunately it didn't pan out that way at all otherwise the whole movie is completely different So that's pretty coincidental. Uh, anyway, you'll get the payoff for me saying that in about three hours from now, probably Uh, yeah, wow three hours. That's what we're thinking. Um, hey, we'll see We have more for you than the movie does But the main takeaway now is that um fury and uh monica They're very confused about what's happened and they go into a space elevator It's going to take them down to earth and then we uh cut over to kamala is back in her house talking to Her family who then revealed to her that uh captain marvel was in the house and you know There's that is that got anything to do with your super hero shenanigans and you know while they're talking about that She's like freaking out because oh my god I'm getting to meet my hero captain marvel and He's very excited. Um, and I think it's meant to be funny. Um, it's not Did any of you laugh once in this movie? Nope. No There was that one black girl magic because it had no explanation Oh It might laugh. Yeah Where carol quickly switches Uh between her and monica when she hits the ground and Fury's like, oh cool. It's just oh, yeah That's the closest that they got to a decent joke. Honestly. Yeah, I'm with you on that I do think that's funny, but it's so out of character because if you were like you just wouldn't It's just like, oh, it's fine. It's like it's wet. Yeah I didn't laugh I laughed at the movie at some point. I meant with not very obvious The obvious sequence that we're gonna get to but I was laughing It was hysterical. I was laughing so hard the entire row was shaking. My sister was like, are you okay? And I was like, no I'm not okay I am not okay The the flurking scene on the spaceship. I was also laughing through all of that big but But like that was me writing my own plots Ah, I see. Yeah, I saw that as a horror movie But with that I was wondering did I hit the skip button by accident? Or did they write in the skip button to the script because that's the first time I definitely wrote the skip button in yes Yeah, there's like another two hours of this movie probably that they would have liked to be in here May yeah, that's definitely definitely stuff that got caught which um, thank god Wow. Yeah, I know the times I think the first one was like two and a half hour more of this Like like all of this plus an hour more Yeah, I I kind of as much as I can imagine an hour of extra something cut Like you said just for the same time I can't fathom watching like an hour more of this and like I can't I can't imagine that in a certain sense um But in any case uh carol flies over to uh tarnax and she just flies on to uh dothben ship because I guess the ship Doesn't have any kind of security protocols or like scanners or anything The thing I think of note for me in that moment is the animation is so bad Uh, yes look pretty bad the transition when she's like yeah flying in it looks really rough I don't get it. It's like well this film was rushed as well. Then I guess like hardcore I thought this film was shot. I thought they had time and it's like that sequence is small And it's just a flying I say just a flying person who's then walking but like you can simulate that Easily right like come on bigger than you can just do it with wire work, but I guess not Yeah, which would have been a lot cheaper, but you know Oh, yeah, uh, but yeah, she sneaks in on goose is here to again Um, this is so important that goose is here this time Um, a lot of the movie doesn't happen if if she didn't bring goose with her Uh, but yeah, they just sneak onto the ship and nobody notices Um, nobody notices nobody there's no Like you can just fly into an open like wall on the side of the ship and just walk through it That's why that really funny. It is odd. You would think that you'd have Like a door You think you have something like locked. You wouldn't just have that open so that things and debris could enter But the creed don't believe in doors. Do you see or the oxygen? Yeah, well, they they never fixed the dams or that's what happened No rent Yeah, uh, and then we we pan down to the on the surface of the planet There's like a little scroll city on this planet tarnax and uh, doth ben is here meaning with uh, droge Drogue the the scroll guy and um, they hopefully really Doth droge. Yeah, sure. Um birth table Hopefully they relay a lot of valuable uh, not clunky at all exposition to the to the viewer. So here's what we learn Um carol destroyed the supreme intelligence and a civil war broke out on halla It destroyed the planet's ecology. The atmosphere was poisoned and their star is dying I guess we just have to accept that's happening. Just like disney. Yeah, their star is dying Yeah, a little bit. So so yeah, that that's like a that's really important to bear in mind Carol destroyed the supreme intelligence That caused a civil war and it's basically destroyed halla to the point that is doomed Nobody the only one the most believable one and it's still a fucking gap is the polluted air It's like that can happen from a war. I guess there could be even like attempts to destroy the You know the air stuff is like you lost all of your water. It's like I don't the atmosphere does keep the like The the water would otherwise go into space, right? I'm sure they didn't lose their atmosphere though. They have It's just poisoned, but they this is where I mean, there's a lie going on at some point this movie physics so fucking hard They're um, they show masks and I assume the masks are telling us. Oh, they can breathe the poisonous air Thanks to the masks. It's like meaning they have an atmosphere Yeah, because if I don't have an atmosphere then they're just being blasted with radiation Exactly all day So maybe it's like um, maybe they're just using a short hand like technically it's atmosphere But it's not believable so they don't call it that like you don't walk into a mcdonald's and say wow There's so much food in here, you know Yeah, but the thing is if you got a load of dirty gas and then just added new oxygen to it That would also just get polluted. I guess then hope is that they've diluted it sufficiently to where it's not poison anymore But if the war's not over, I genuinely think the people who made that scene didn't talk to the people who made the scene Where they try and like We're not quite there yet. It's kind of I want to talk about the the the way they try and fix that problem later I guess we'll get there. Okay. Yeah, but You're gonna liquefy the atmosphere if you add more air because that's gonna increase atmospheric pressure if the You're gonna Science fiction flames because of course this is all getting past the big one which is how does a civil war Kill a star and not only kill a star but kill it in 30 years when stars have lifespans of billions of years It should be mentioned like the implication is by destroying the supreme intelligence It like turned the sun off and it can be switched back on That's all we get is like I destroy the supreme intelligence. And so then the star died Yeah Nobody buys it For as much as I can accept the atmosphere in the drought as much as I could be like okay, which we can't Which we can't but you know as much as I could I don't understand. I don't understand the star one. I don't get it. I don't understand why it's dying They got harder to believe It's power for war then yeah, it's raining planet. Oh like in like in tfa The they drain Why would why would they do that if you drain the star for the planet that you're fighting for control over Why would you do that? You just be destroying the planet you're trying to win Yeah, there's more than enough energy in a son to just multiply like How was there this civil war Thing happening here anyway, like how do you how do you get to this point? It's like if captain marvels arrives on harla kills a bunch of kree and destroys what is essentially the their entire system It's just like how was there a civil wouldn't it just been everyone hates you? I guess power vacuum Well, yeah, but there's a there's a lot of ways to explain it over time All she would have done is piss it she's like you know, she would be the annihilator to their entire culture But they I thought that the civil war was supposed to be from the fact that she revealed to the kree that they've been lied to But then a lot of them wouldn't have been lied to a lot of them were in on it and that that creates the schism But like we never go over that they just say there was a civil war. It was like, okay what was Like how did it start was it you did you just like What's going on She's like their arch nemesis So if anything she would be the sort of the out group enemy that would unify they would unify Yeah, they would be like even if the kree of lied or the great the supreme intelligence fucked everything up Like you just came in you're destroyed everything our son is dead What have you done? And um, and then that's that's again the fact that the kree are an empire that's space fairing like they go well beyond one planet I don't know why did I just move somewhere else? Yeah, just go to another planet I know I can understand why you would want to keep your home planet. That's not what was said Also, not at the cost of everybody else You don't try to figure it out i'm trying to figure it out I You want to save the planet That's one thing but you could just like move everybody off the planet and then work on that problem You know what I mean? It seems like they're staying like she says oh, you know hullers out of time and it's like Not really right. I mean you have a good time frame if you just move everybody off the planet and then work on the problem Like there's no reason for everybody to stay there. You're a space fairing civilization They could like move to safety. They could go to another planet fill up some bottles of water come over pour them out on the floor and keep doing that for a few years Yeah, exactly. We'll get it eventually. Well, I mean you figure that if the kree are capable Here's the really the thing is if you're a space fairing civilization capable of going to having an empire that spans a galaxy You probably have readily available means of the mass extraction of resources anyway You probably would you probably already have a Dyson spear You probably already have the means to like extract Um and and terraform planets and stuff like that. So the idea that you would need to Pursue like any new, you know, like that you would need one of these quantum bands to do it I don't know about that unless we're supposed to assume that captain marvel actually wiped out the entire kree empire and left holla as the last place But she but before she left she was like i'm gonna leave you guys alive, but i'm taking your sun your water and your air I Need it you deserve it Okay, and by the way, you're the villains Anyway, hi um Anyway, something that darben mentions in the conversation is she's like hey scrolls You can be part of the kree empire and we'll relocate you after like I stripped the atmosphere of this planet It's like wait She just she just like openly announces to this guy that she's got to strip the atmosphere Right then and there. Yeah, and she doesn't care if he gets off the planet. So why delay gone better Well, well, so it gets really awkward because to clarify later When she eventually does this the implication that the the the scroll guy is like man, you fucked everything up carol It's like dude, but she just announced to you that this is so bad Yeah, she was coming there to do that and she was very explicit to the scroll, but yet he's angry at carol Mm-hmm Is necessary all she had to do is open the portal on a different air of the entire planet I don't know like maybe I need to exercise it just feels like I will say though like if if in a peace meeting someone just announces i'm here to steal your air you'd be like what It's like grew I would see it on the moon Um Okay, so that now now i'm trying to think about how best to actually because we're about to get to the the first proper like Action set piece of the film and i'm thinking real hard about how to explain this to everybody here in the audience Well, it is meant to be wacky and fun, but uh, if you try and pay attention to who's getting switched when and where Man, it breaks down It really really really breaks down Well, I sound like you had something there, man Oh, um, I I think I might be skipping ahead. I just remember what happened after the big switching sequence and something Well, I'll save it. So to give everybody a sense of place, uh uh camala is uh in her house and um monica's on the space elevator running down and carol is still in um This the ship above our tarnax and like she gets she bumps into a cre soldier and it's like oh the anila to get her And carol lunges towards him and prepares to blast him But then she gets switched with camala So it means camala just felt like using her powers while she was standing around in her house at that exact moment Yes, this is why I don't think that's the rule Like it is as explicitly the rule It is Yeah It's it's explicitly said and the sequence when they're traveling to uh, uh landa a ladner the the planet they The whole sequence of them testing. Yeah was to demonstrate that you have to use the power So we have to just accept that uh camala was using her powers at home at the exact same time that this happened to kick this off um Something that's worth bearing in mind as well in terms of the switching and how it doesn't make sense The film can't make up its mind on whether the switch like reorients the person to like mirror the pose of the person that they switched with um, there's a part when they're they're in the the montage where they're like practicing where Um carol and monica are like standing facing each other They're counting down like one two three to switch and then carol jumps up in the air at the last minute when they switch Uh carol's standing upright just standing there and monica like falls down because she's in the air So you have that and then you have other instances where like it reorients the person to switch into the position So like if you imagine that i don't know carol's blasting with one hand up Then monica would be switched into that position But sometimes that doesn't happen because in this case camala's facing the opposite direction. She's like flying backwards Um, and there's a lot of instances where they don't line up at all So that's completely inconsistent as well Just bear that in mind As which would have been fun if they took it seriously like we have to learn how these work how the powers work and things like that And i'm facing this way they face that way That's a thing right because they pretend that they do but then there are many instances where it doesn't work that way It's annoying. It's really really really annoying and confusing and if you set up something like this There should be that like the payoff in the movie should be some kind of moment Where it changes everything and you make the audience go ah, that was clever. I didn't see that coming Yeah, that no that never happens That never happens. Um, but but yeah, so now now camala's on the the ship Um, and then goose just decides to eat a bunch of kree soldiers Which obviously is shocking to camala. Yeah goose knows which ones are the bad ones Which ones are the good ones all that stuff Yeah, um, and then a couple of kree round the corner To attack camala and then goose like jumps on to her and then she creates a shield and then that teleports her back to her house And then she switches with monica who then ends up on there Which means that monica while riding down the space elevator Also just felt like using her powers for some reason when there was nobody around and no enemies Do you know when you have an itch that you just cannot scratch without going translucent I I mean, I guess we gotta like it um Bear in mind the space elevator is a big cause of problems for a long time in this fight scene for people using their powers for no reason at all um But in any case goose gets teleported uh with camala because like She was sitting on uh on top of her Uh, so I guess it grew. Yeah, it groups people like it groups other living entities It groups people who are like contained within the span of somebody's abilities, I guess um And then uh, and then like it vomits up a bunch of kree soldiers so that a fight can start happening in uh camala's house as well and then Keep a track of this Carol is on um the space elevator with uh fury Um, and and it's at this point that she explains that she touched the uh, she touched the jump point And the goo that was emanating from it and that that was when everything started going wrong to which fury rightly points out Why why would you do that? And she says because it was glowing and mysterious Is it do you think that this is a good enough reason to touch goo emanating from a jump point? He doesn't If you know someone else will and you can't let them be the first exactly this film touched my jump point Without But I mean someone fingered As he points out like No more touching shit, especially like glowing mysterious shit. It's like yeah personally I wouldn't touch it for all of those reasons, but you know a good lampshade Well captain marvel heard heard the lesson that she kind of should have learned after all this time is quit Just like jumping into doing things you did this with a supreme intelligence And it fucked up a planet in a star somehow So whenever you see something don't just like jump to a problem. You'd think about it Yeah, it's surprising how crash they've made her character when all of her life experience Probably should have led her to being the opposite of that, especially being she's one of the oldest heroes in the mcu Yeah, how old is she canonically like she's she's an old lady. Yeah, she's like six years old She can't remember it though. So she would act like a much younger person. She can't remember what was before She can remember all of the years she spent as a galactic hero, you know She had six years on uh on hallowb thinking that she was like part of the kree and then you go from 1995 to 2023 So she's got like what 34 years of life as a fully grown adult exploring the galaxy She would be very mature even if you started from there She would have to have been matured a little faster than most even heroes too because she's dealing with all kinds of civilizations And cultures and conflicts that she has to be the arbitrator of because she has the power to do so We haven't explored any of that Yep, so because that would be interesting more that we can't do that. This is this is phase five yo So uh This bit also does my most hated thing in a in a series and it's to happen loads of times in disney films as well There's other things recently, uh where somebody points out how stupid their own plot is in the movie And that's supposed to be an excuse for how stupid it is It's like no, that's basically a fix That's basically fixed. That's fixing your plot By the way, that's a cry for help from the writers As has been pointed out in chat. I forgot this film was not set in 2023 Most of these films are set a few years ahead of where we are because endgame was 2023 So it's probably more like 2026 So they did give the exact base at one point What did they what was it exactly? We remember it was they gave it before secret invasion I can't remember what I can try and look it up. Oh, okay. Um, I figure it's like 2026 might be even 2027 actually um Oh and and yeah, like Carol kind of at this point starts to have an idea of like how it's working In terms of why they're switching so she decides to light up her like fist To just make it glow and she gets switched to kamala's house, which um Now at first I was thinking well Like if she if that's the case then if she switched with kamala Then kamala would be put onto the space elevator But she can't be because we have like a clear point for when kamala gets teleported there for the first time Which is like she gets teleported when she brings the uh the kree soldiers with her So I guess we have to assume that moniker At this point would have been teleported back onto the space elevator But like when she talks to fury later on at the end of the fight She's talking to him as if it's like her first time back as well Yeah, and then I guess she would have also decided despite being switched to fight bad guys She decided it would be a good idea to like use her powers again to get teleported to some unknown Place to potentially be fighting bad guys Do you see do you see in how it's like completely breaking down? like The only thing they were focused on was what kind of funny things can we do in terms of a character goes to do a Thing and then she switched to a different person Well, yeah, what's what I'm hoping is that it flies by so fast that you don't think about the fact that especially on the space elevator There's no reason for anybody to be using their powers up until the part that's playing on the stream here Where are kamala gets teleported there and now now there are bad guys So now there's like a reason why you might be using the powers But but like half of the switches because I tried to keep track of them half of them occur before that happens when um But despite that characters keep getting switched in these ways And um got a comment on tone too, right? Like one of the initial fights is two space soldiers who look to be hitting to kill at just a family who got pillows An innocent family that's been caught up in all of this But it's playing fun music because this is a fun battle And from what I remember in this there isn't a single moment without the entire fight Where a male hero on the good side hits oxymoron Any of the people and all of the villains they never hit anyone and do any damage without the entire Well, uh, well, I think uh, because fury shoots one of them No, I think he missed this. No, he shoots Right at the end. Yeah, like range when he's already This is actually shoots the window though. So are we talking is this after before or after he cowers in fear? Just question Yeah, because he did like hour in fear. He would have accepted his he just accepted his death at that moment But was safe this should have noise me so much more than it probably should but seeing him like this It's like that's not nick fury. He doesn't do that Was the way the dad and the mom behave that got me that that stuff is in title Like the guy is just running away But he might as well have been screaming and crying and the the mother is pissing and shitting bars is she's suffering She beats you Where the dad and the brother like start hitting him with a moth and a uh, and I think like uh I come over with the other fingers. So they think they're just cleaning your chances Yeah, yes. Yeah, they got a few blows because it's funny so This is where okay, so carol, uh, she she she tries to blast one of the crew soldiers but swaps with kamala Which again Unless all three of them happen to be using their powers at the exact same moment carol should have been back on the space elevator But she's not because kamala ends up on the cruise ship And then and then kamala gets switched onto the space elevator for the first time to bring the crew soldiers with her And then that enables them to have a fight where it makes more sense for all of the characters to switch But like up until this point You just have to accept that there are multiple instances where a character just decides to use their powers When there are no enemies around and there's no reason to do it It's ever There's just nothing to say to that. It's just like they didn't think it threw much at all It's like as I was I was trying to figure this out. I was losing my mind Like I was really struggling to like make sense of this entire fight saying um, we appreciate your sacrifice That's why this shouldn't have been a rule. I I I spent the entire movie thinking the rule was if I used my powers, I switch They could have done that for the whole movie and easily far more easily made it make sense There was actually even a point when I was trying to figure out like what was going on where like It Based on my I was trying to like logically deduce where the characters were based on the information that had been presented And there's one part where there was like an outright contradiction where like I thought Monica was meant to be on the cruise ship Except like carol was there like you see Like carol was there and this is like, okay. All right The point being this fight scene is really bad. All right Standard bad choreography it just is like dysfunctional it is fundamentally dysfunctional We talk about some of the bad choreography Yeah, sure go for it Not including all of the like just that these inept soldiers being unable to kill this just family like constantly missing and Well, the main thing I want to hit is just try and try and imagine your you are who nick fury is and I know Let's pretend we haven't seen secret invasions. So he's one of the greatest spies of all time Always ready to kill shit Remember the scene in avengers 2012 because that movie's goaded especially at this point where He gets his moment where they're all coming into the command center And he gets to kill like three of them with moves that you could kind of buy an older But still very experienced soldier knows what he's doing sort of thing Um because they've got like rifles and he only has his pistol Then in this scene he needs kamala to give him a pistol Which is already weird. It's like he doesn't have his own pistol You'd think you'd have it all the time like this think he would and he'd obviously pick it up as soon as he can from a dead soldier Yeah, um, and so she's pasted to him The first thing he does is see the guy shoot And miss twice and hit the fucking windows of the space elevator with an alien gun You fucking moron that wasn't a halo plasma pistol or you'd be fucking dead He's such a stupid fuck. He could have killed himself and kamala Whenever anyone says that the continuity of secret invasion was ignored Don't you worry nick is right here Yeah He just knew what film he was in like he was trying to get out. He was trying to get out Can Samuel l jackson just stop accepting Honestly, if he was here right now, he'd be like if you were nearing 80 Would you He's sitting for most of this fight to be fair. Yeah He's like so vestrest alone and X for X for nables X for nables Another instance of uh bad choreography is when carol gets teleported back onto the cruise ship She's about to punch one of the korean and then she like stops herself going because at this point She has to realize oh using the powers is what makes me switch So she stops herself and punches him and then she's real happy about it And then some kree like round the corner and then she blasts them and gets teleported again. So what are you doing? Like you just I guess if it's I guess he has to use her powers or instinctive Yeah, but she's invincible. Why would she just punch them? Oh, I I don't know. Um No hit challenge. Oh and oh and I got like the dark souls, you know, oh, yeah, I guess so Also again worth mentioning if if think think about like If goose didn't eat the let you know, let's say Too quick because he hates him right there. They're bad the bad guys So I think she actually goose eats them and then she gets teleported with kamala, which is already all right And then she vomits them up in the house and just stands there and lets them continue trying to kill This person that she just saved her entire family. Yeah, you can't say that goose has any alignment at all No goose is just there for goose Yeah, wow. Yeah as intelligent as a cat Is it I mean more so because it like follows very specific like commands and objectives. I'll seem to Sometimes everything because at one point he's an asshole at one point. He eats a chair to make somebody fall on the ground to a The thing is I think that's meant to be like, oh damn goose just felt like eating that chair and it saved Monica's life I think I think I thought that was to show the intelligence. I understand I understand why you felt that way I think that's reasonable. I thought it was that I thought it just wanted to eat the chair I think I think on a first viewing I would have sided with dispro on that one, but um further inspection goose just does random bullshit um Especially the cats till the end. They just start eating tables chairs and pillows and stuff and it's like, okay It's what people say it in chat like goose is chaotic neutral Yeah Pretty much Um, but but yeah, like then uh, because we we end the fight with uh, monica is now in um is now in uh, The kamala khan's house and she's fighting the kree and she beats him up finishes him off and then Just as she's using the power it switches so that uh, kamala ends up back Everybody ends up where they need to be at the end of the fight Of course the kamala ends up back in her house monica ends up back on the space elevator And uh carol ends up back on on the ship. What are the odds of that? Very low actually But yeah, they're back where they need to be that's the fight. It's over. It's it's awful That fight is terrible. It like it makes no typical disney combat. It really really stinks dude But it's worse than that because of the switching the switching makes it even worse Because if you just had like normal bad fights like in stupid decisions in combat That's one thing But like when you tied in with the incredible luck of the switches lining up in ways that are only slightly inconvenient and never catastrophic Um, that the characters essentially end up exactly where they need to be And when you bear in mind that there are several instances where the switches fundamentally should not have happened Because the character had no reason to use their powers. It's completely fucked It's just shit. It's terrible Um, but unless anybody has anything else to add on that No, move along Um, all right, it's the captain marvel fucking punches someone through the roof Um at one point I I raised an eyebrow then it was like, okay one property damper to like you don't know There's not someone upstairs. You probably could have restrained them in another one. Oh, yeah Why it's not got dead. Well, I guess it's worth highlighting I don't know what the power level of an individual kree is because if you remember she does Fuck up jude law and he's kree, but he's fine And then they have regenerative abilities because that's in shield Is it okay? Yeah, because they heal. Um, what's his face the the leader of shield In that series they heal him by giving him kree blood Oh, you mean you talk about colson. Is that how he got resurrected? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I never knew Okay, yeah, okay The more you know um so, uh, yeah, so now now everything's being like reset and um We we uh Yeah, like we we're back with uh kamala in her house And and oh wait and not people are saying that this is not canon I actually meant to ask is that still canon or not agents or she I don't know if it is because it's marvel television So I don't know if it is. I think it got booted out. I mean it fits in with the movies I think it does but at the same time it was marvel television and not marvel studios and um hence The that it might not be canon Well, I don't even know what marvel knows to this point. Yeah, I'd still say it's still confusing in terms of like what defeats a kree It's it's not exactly clear That but the idea that like a kree soldier isn't even matched for carol as an absurdity. Yeah, that's made sense Yes She is just a god. She's an uber ultra mega guy. So what she did to them on that moon place in the beginning She wiped out like fucking 30 of them just like that Whereas whereas uh, this is this is an important little factoid to remember because none of you watch miss marvel, but more and I did um Something that is explicitly established is that uh, the bangle does not imbue kamala with super strength She is a normal. She's normal It's it's it's like the constructs have mass and there's a part where she like creates She she she grows like a big White fist and then like she drops it to the ground because it's so heavy. So she's not super strong Um, but yet she is in many instances throughout the film in terms of the things that she does Um, but she's not super strong But I think we have to assume that monica must be You know, especially with like the intangibility and the flying and everything she's gotta be really strong My assumption is either she's really strong or that she can just tank any amounts of Energy weapons forever. Like it'll never really do anything to her because she's like she's not even human She's like energy or something. You know what I mean? It's like hot sci-fi person who's made up of stuff like, okay this is why There's two trailers that give two different explanations of her abilities And when she says I can control magnetic fields, it makes more sense because if she can control like the magnetic fields Because atoms she could essentially repel anything No matter how heavy it was Something to add on to that because we all laughed at I can see like because that's hilarious everybody can Wow But um, the the I the hyper good faith is No, matt matt murdoch. Why would you I was just I was just clarifying for the audience. That's okay. That's okay But the hyper good faith is she can see different wavelength. It's like she can change her viewing to infrared or like ultra Violet and stuff. That's what she can do. And that plays into the story quite a few times. Yeah Yeah, the electromagnetic spectrum. Yeah Many moments where it's like, oh, it's good. She made use of her powers to solve that problem sort of thing. Yeah So monica monica and furia here, which I guess means that the sword base Uh conveniently has its operations above new york, which seems So again, I know it's science fiction, but there's a reason why nasa does all their stuff in florida. There's a reason why Uh, the european space And um, that there's a reason why space stuff happens Uh, near the equator, but but whatever Where was where were the end and beginning of secret invasion when he got up and down the elevator? Where was that? It was in like some forest somewhere Maybe they left it nondescript on purpose Yeah, maybe they dropped him into a forest and then they they drove over to our new jersey to They did it in record time as well. They did it Basically, what you have to accept is that in the time I'm just jumping ahead here and the time that it takes for monica and fury to get down to earth to get over to New jersey to get to kamala's house to um To then have all of their conversation and then another switch happens in the house Carol's just kind of like Hang out exploring the ship, you know Well, yeah, she could have wiped out all of darth benn's people by then But she just doesn't yeah She's on pause because she's not on screen Uh, yeah, pretty much um in any case their conversation is basically they're just talking about what happened Um, monica just casually discloses cap classified information to kamala. Yep, uh, and fury like oh, that's classified She's like sorry and it's like dude. You're like a captain Like oh, you do it again. How are you right? characters, okay, so she when when we first see a captain marvel refer to her as um A captain lieutenant trouble. I think it is right. That's a nickname. She corrects There's a captain rambo or whatever the fuck and I'm just sitting there like you'll go official What it's about your rank and like respect to be given to you But what it's about like protecting actual information that matters the security of the fucking country You just blew it out. It's like you care a lot more about yourself Than you do about you know, what's right for the world has interesting I'm sure that was unintentional entirely It was classified by why is it on a transparent screen that line just well, yeah Uh, fury and monica have a uh, they have a file on our kamala Which contains a pretty detailed breakdown of her abilities mainly the the light based powers creating the light constructs I don't know if they know about the nor dimension or the fact that she creates stuff with nor or that she's uh A mutant as well because that's something that they establish a miss marvel or she's related to a family of jinn Yeah related to a family of jinn who came from a different dimension and wanted to And they wanted to break down the veil of the nor To bleed over the nor dimension into earth and destroy it I love how it's all you're pointing out like I bet they did remember this to remember this that there's people in this call right now Like what are you talking about? No, not the no dimension the nor dimension. Yeah, that's different. Yeah, no dimension But I yeah, none of that. Um, but uh, yeah, uh, they they just don't know any of this. Um And but something that I find interesting is that they kind of they kind of just like accept It's like, yeah kamala's powers are similar to mine. It's like, but they're not though They got activated by a a a quantum bangle Um, they allow her to manifest like energy energy from a different universe Like light based is a very broad term. You know what I mean? Like they're really not the same at all Um, and then of course the fact that uh, that uh, monica got hers from magic She got hers from plain old magic but you know And etiquette, I feel like they'd have a lot of questions that they should be asking kamala now that they have her here But they don't really they don't really have any questions for her at all Like I feel like this is an opportunity to get firsthand information on everything to do with her abilities, but nope And if I'm right if I'm really being serious right wonder didn't even know how monica got her powers Right. No, she was surprised. Yeah She's so lucky she didn't die like that's what they thought was going to happen was that she was died Well, she got positively affirmed as she was doing it. That's probably where the power came from Was were those voices here or the other people in the in the I assume they were coming from the magic like they were like memories magic was telling her how awesome she is giving her the power Power of personal, um confidence self-esteem self-esteem is magic Um, now now we're gonna get a little bit more character Like actual trying to develop the the main character arcs for the first time in a little while Where our monica refers to carol as aunts carol Um, which kamala notices, but they they move past it and that's it. So it's like, yep, that's all you're gonna get five seconds Moving on we got plot to do Um, and and fury basically believes it's not a coincidence that um, their light based powers are the reason why they're like it switching places Um, and then yeah, we got like the the breakdown, which I guess is worth, you know, clarifying again Carol absorbs light, which is like again, I feel like that's um, I feel like that's putting it lightly You know, it's like she absorbs light. Yes Uh, but she could also fly and oh, oh, I didn't know what she describes it as control as see it and control it Yes, that's monica. She can see it in control. Oh, it's funny. That seems to be she has the same power She absorbs light at the end of the movie Yeah, it's important. We try to actually pretend that they're They're different. Yeah Meanwhile, obviously Kamala's is very different and then yeah, she mentions like, oh, you know, you could turn light in a physical matter I've never seen that before and then Kamala just says, oh, I can show you Um, which I don't know. I know like like, you know, like Have you not kind of started thinking that maybe the reason why you're switching places is because you're using your powers Like are you maybe noticing that like the only times it's happened is when you've used your powers and for the last However, many hours it's taken for uh You know, I am willing to accept that maybe the characters didn't realize it was when they used at the same time What i'm not willing to accept is any of them using their powers from now on I'd be like, yeah No way I'm risking teleporting in some place that I don't understand or no like never happened again And yet none of them have this thought But yeah, and so she used Oh, sorry It's worse for some than others because like you can understand captain marvel just being cocky and being like Well, I can survive anything but she puts people into her place when she's in a dangerous position So the whole flying up in the air is horrific Because she knows that someone will go into the air and she doesn't know who Well, uh, we'll get to that one because that's not very far from here. Um Because kamala uses the power and switches with carol who is mid-flight Um, so that's really unfortunate because presumably she hasn't used her powers for the last hour But when she decides to damn man carol's flying to where I have no idea I don't know where she I don't know. I I I actually don't know where she was flying Do any of you have any ideas of where she was flying when she got teleported? The family have just told her where No, she knew where she was and the the family told her that they'd switched So I thought she was going back to where she was originally on that ship Which I guess she was I guess she was like flying in the ship to somewhere And then teleport you know what I mean? This is before she flies up into the sky and then they they do that that sequence Oh, like carol's just flying around in the ship. I guess Well fighting in the ship wouldn't be unreasonable I I guess but she's flying like the tele teleports to her like flying and then hitting the table She's not like standing there or she's flying. I don't understand what she'd be flying in the ship I could only imagine her flying outside of the ship, but maybe she was Um, but this is stupid this goes back to what you said before when you teleport you're supposed to take on their Like you're supposed to be them. So yeah flying through doesn't even make any sense in itself. She should be sitting down Yeah, because they are very inconsistent on that but basically what I what I want you to bear in mind Is it for the next like two minutes? Kamala is just unaccounted for and the conversation is pretty slow In terms of its pace, you know Nobody's in much of a rush to get to like wait. Where is Kamala? You were flying. Where is she? Is she like plummeting to her death right now? There's just no there's no there's no hurry. There's no concern Um, the only thing that you get is that the family occasionally interjects pretty calmly Like oh, where is she? You know where where is uh, where's kamala? But meanwhile, she's totally unaccounted for and potentially being killed Um, and monica knows better Carol really ought to know better because she'd already basically figured it out It is funny too. You say like potentially being killed is like she has to bangle too. Like that's like the whole villains Yeah, exactly. Which is so stupid now to be fair. They don't know that yet But I mean of course like eventually we're gonna It's just crazy to think about that She could have been facing off against Darth Ben saying, you know, like I'm gonna get you and she's like no I'm gonna get you and then kamala calm ports in She's like, oh This entire scene sort of reminded me of the first Avengers when tony's like flying Up the atmosphere and it'll help seriously the movie takes that Probably not there yet. We're not we're not up to that part We we still got the conversation between then and now. Oh wait Oh, right. Okay. Okay. We haven't we haven't covered the conversation that carol and uh, monica have with each other And then carol flies off just to be clear. Does everybody know we're at? Mm-hmm. Yep. Okay, cool. Um, so Uh Like they basically it's it's like a really awkward like reunion that they have with each other Um carol calls monica lieutenant trouble, which for those of you who actually remember what happened at captain marvel That was I know it's a struggle Um, and then monica pretty coldly rebuffs this Uh, and then and then it's kind of awkward and then they just move on to the plot. That's it for carrot It's fuck, you know, that's it for character Uh for that for like developing those two we're back to plot now Which um, I find hilarious because this keeps happening where you get character for like 15 20 seconds And then and then it's just like, all right back to plot. We don't have time for this So let's get let's get back to talking about like the power switch is the plot so good So I can see why they really you know, you spend all that time and effort Yeah, I don't even need to build characters. The plot is so riveting. That's true The plot carries the film. That's how strong they are. Yeah This is basically the part where so this is what this is what monica says. She says wait our joint Right for that. Um, I'm the lieutenant trouble thing. Is that not incredibly inappropriate? You have a nickname for a girl So she hasn't even heard you call her since she was a very young child And you know and she knows that you haven't contacted her and her mother died And she was supposed to you know, I mean you're like, oh, hey, and then like like billy. It's like Fuck you So I guess she was pretty calm all things considered It's just it's just rude to be like, oh, yeah, then uses the But that's the point mohler, you know carol. She's a little bit aloof. She's a little bit socially awkward Well, I saw someone say she might be autistic and I was like, maybe maybe at this point I could explain Do you think that's the angle you might actually be? Yeah, that maybe that would I would fix the plot a little Hey, don't you touch her to us? We don't claim her Well, so uh, this is what monica says in terms of explaining the power So this is like the clearest explanation we get our joint exposures of these unsteady jump points And our susceptibility to electromagnetic energy has temporarily entangled our world lines Our white powers are entangled so we switch places whenever we use them at the same time That's the plane statement. I had joint exposure What so that you could get switched somewhere else? So you don't have to what talk about the movie No, did I do a bunch of like so what's the joke then? I don't what do you mean joint exposure? a joint drugs narcotics I Or something what are you doing rags the only everybody else who was confused, okay? But I just went over my head. It's fine. Um, so then then it was so high And I think it's because our brains are shutting down with this movie Yeah I'm thinking about food. So maybe I am high unfortunately. We're not a third of the way through yet. We're nearly there But uh, that's not bad. That's not bad so, uh They mentioned kamala and then carol's like she she starts immediately trying to activate her powers And then she walks outside as everybody follows her and then she flies up into the air into the like going up into space And then they switch and now kamala is plummeting to her death Who could have seen this happen? How about who? How could anyone have predicted this? This entire scene makes any sense What was she thinking like this is I know we probably we say this a lot, but this is catastrophic for her character Like captain marvel, what a what a horrific terrible idiot Yeah And I think you guys are being more generous than I was being in the theater because I was thinking like oh she can't she's struggling to activate it by just Doing her fist. Oh, what if I fly into the air and do all the glows that will get her back While i'm in the air Yeah, she's got a special brain I There's one thought in there that I think that was valid that she had which is if I spam activate my power Then whenever This marvel does it we'll switch cool I'm like even sitting down just going boom boom boom. It's like I'll get it eventually. It's gonna happen. Okay. Yeah That's kind of fair But then she's like i'm gonna go fly into space. You're like, okay There's a problem there. There's just a little snag in your plan because you just established that You believe that she's gonna switch with you at any point of you using your power. Yeah He's like, yeah You trying to kill her like whoa And then she successfully switches and doesn't care that uh, miss marvel's now dying This movie so far has been monica and like new fury and everybody else just trying to figure out what's going on and captain marvel just doing stupid shit all the time we're just Is She's walking around a lot of this disappearing a lot of the movie relies on when we don't see the character We don't have to acknowledge what they're going through a thinking But when she flies up and then switches and we focus on this marvel going oh god I'm gonna die or we don't save it But if we followed captain marvel, we'd be back on that uh enemy ship and she'd be like, huh? Well, there we go. Let's start fighting again And it's like but you know that you were like exiting the atmosphere and you just switched with a little girl And and bear and remember she does not know that monica can fly she definitely doesn't know that She's gonna splat. That's the only thing that she should expect but she doesn't care and she never If you at least when she came back and slammed the floor and said Is kamala okay, you know something like that it would have been like oh, that's that's something but no no acknowledgement of it at all It's that absolutely. No, we just need it to Essentially, this is a vehicle to get all of the characters together when it's kind of impossible given the distances apart They are um and also I guess to have like another tense action scene because yeah now now kamala is plummeting to her death um And I just realized something so both um monica and um kamala are using their powers up in the air But no switching is happening. Which means is carol just not trying to switch back at this point Well, well, so it's it's it's like a it's a it's a problem on multiple fronts It means yes carol is not using her power So she's not in the middle of fighting anybody and she doesn't care But at the same time carol uh kamala and uh monica should be switching like when monica is flying down And then kamala creates constructs to try and soften her fall. They should be switching Uh, yes true and um, yes, don't forget as well that um Captain maul does eventually switch at the end of this meaning that she's not like someone might try and defend it and say She's not using any more powers because she doesn't want to cause a switch It's like well, that's not true because she does no well Yeah, and and and it's as has been pointed out. We have to accept it at no point while monica was flying up which took a little while at no point did carol use her abilities uh Okay, so she just wants to kill kamala then Yeah, just kind of a clever way to do it like a lot of people miss that she was trying to kill kamala Kamala's not really doing anything to save her life either like the first thing you'd be like, okay I'm gonna try and make wings. I'm gonna try and glide out of this. There'll be something that slows you down You're trying to increase like like some like a big flat something or I'd even try like fucking something parachute shaped Who knows what'll happen. Yeah, but she the problem is she's like lame green lantern She's she's got like the green lantern abilities, but not with the ability to create actual like objects that are useful I'm willing to be a little more critical I think that they realized that she could get herself out of it and they were like fuck that kind of ruins it Um, because if she made a big flat Uh construct it would slow it down and it would flip and then she'd have to make another one And then another one and then another one and it would attach them to her and stuff It would dampen the fall complete. Well, eventually you could make like a um You can try to picture this it's it would be like um like a like an upside down hill like a cup But it also comes around on the sides So that she could safely be inside it while it slows down because of uh air resistance And now we're kind of cool seeing she's constructing all these different things on the fly to try and slow herself down and keep herself safe And do you remember uh, you remember in dr. Strange when in the first dr. Strange when they were in the middle of dimension and and morto Would uh, he like created platforms to slow us fall Because dr. Strange obviously has the the cape and he would create platforms and it's like you see it in miss marvel Like she she's pretty she knows how to use her like powers. She she's she's adept. Yeah, she's uh, fairly capable So she should be able to get herself out of this. That's true But she can't and the solution that's the best you have to accept the solution to come up with this fucking retarded Oh, well, yeah, at all No, it wouldn't have done shit. Well, it's so wait the solution would be So she like creates a A ball like like yeah, like maybe a ball or a sphere or Like platforms or maybe when she gets near the bottom She creates a really steep ramp that she can sort of slide down on there are several things She could have tried that are way better than what she tries Well, well, yeah, just what what was the solution? What what did come on to save herself because I don't see what this could have been done They are Eventually because yeah, basically Monica learns how to fly and she's a little bit, you know Yeah, she just learns how to fly are we skipping over the legendary dialogue? Oh, sure. Yeah, because uh as as Kamala's falling down Yeah, fury is like, oh, you got to go up and save her black girl magic and then she does fly up there It's no explanation I I have no idea. I don't know. How often do you fly? Oh all the time I always have like My uncles yell black girl magic at me at random so I can That's what the the michael jackson's abusive father did. He just kept yelling black girl magic at jackson five Until they became famous singers and dancers I don't know what they were thinking. Um With a lot of things that I did in this movie. I guess they really thought it was that one was trailer That was a trailer worthy line I guess they thought it would be that fucking hilarious So funny You got So yeah, he flies off grabs her and then uh Kamala's plan is she's going to create like a sphere That they're going to be in and that'll like soften the fall, but I don't think it will I think they'll just crash into it and break that next Makes it even more dangerous Yeah of anything because like The ground is softer than the I mean as odd as it is the ground is actually softer than her reference her magic crystals She called them hard light. That's what she calls them. They are They are hard over hard light any day soft concrete with But they are they they created and they're about to crash, but then carol She uses her power so she switches and just hits the ground. It is so close It's like a split second before they hit the ground carol hits the ground So both of them could have died right then and there, but fortunately should our use of powers at that It well, they should have if they maintain the momentum Well, yeah, the momentum when they switch that they're definitely dead. Uh-oh. Yeah, they're dead Which they do because when at the beginning the first swap is you know, she goes on forward That's right. They do maintain that because yeah, they maintain the momentum. So actually the movie ends right there today What The whole gimmick of the film. It doesn't follow consistently. It doesn't follow its own thing Correct. Um, imagine being what if they landed in a kree pillow fort? Well, that's just the thing they didn't Darth band would be staring down captain marvel actually this time They're exchanging this that and the other with each other and then captain marvel disappears And what does appear is so quick. It's just a slap of flesh and blood into the floor Darth bad would be like what the fuck and all the other men would be like, uh Uh, they're like, what is it? What is that? What have they done? Are they it's this like the thing? Are they gonna turn it? What's what's happening? What does it do? It's like, I don't know. I don't know. They'll just panic You gotta understand where our moniker and kamala end up on the ship surrounded by kree soldiers And then Darth ben shows up like 10 seconds later So I guess carol was about to confront all of them But then switched because he was using her powers Yeah, she went to laser one of them, I guess because she'd completely forgotten about the other people about the whole situation She had obviously and evidently completely forgotten about them, but Whatever they're here now and then they get to meet uh, doth ben Wearing those cheap area rugs from walmart I cannot get over this fucking these shoulder pads. It's so embarrassing That's not bad. What were they thinking? They look so awful. Come on. Sean. What do you mean? I already have Oh that uh, yeah, that's a delayer right? She looks like a roblox character. Yeah They do look like roblox shoulders. Like what were you thinking? Minecraft before you could make your slim arms Yeah, it's um it kind of it's like uh, you just carved out a slab of rock And then you attached human arms and head to it or the you are currently sculpting or you have done that part yet Doth ben might be one of the cringiest villains um in one of these movies She like emanate her eyes out while she has these really ugly contact lenses, so she's just looking at it the whole time The contacts do look weird. They look strange my personal pet peeve is those like contact like that's all pet peeves in the movies Like why do they keep using them make them look more? If you need it I just I hate it. Are we are we saying that they should have used CGI for the eyes there? You don't want to they would have If they did see like googly pupils that move around That would be funny if you had a film that was like Yeah, that'd be funny actually that that'd be funnier instead of cringe Her eyes clearly could go all three of them are like you're looking at me They should have CGI'd out her mouth give her the orango eyes um So something that we see on the ship is that the uh the other quantum band is just sort of sitting in this Like instrument. Um, none of the instruments here. I guess Can like detect that the other quantum band is right there on kamala's wrist Like there's no way that they can tell she was she hit it. She put a little little shit over it So yeah, she pulls a sleeve over it, which means that they would have probably been able to see it for a while And it looks very if someone has the power of detecting light, they'll keep it Isn't from them I mean we just have to because of course we don't get any explanation power They found the first one But I got to imagine this because they were able to like trace it in some way But I guess they can't tell that this one's right here Despite the fact that there are instances later in the film Not just when the quantum bands are actually used but just because they're in close proximity to one another They begin to glow kind of like how you know how like your bluetooth headphones connect each other Well, it's just I find it funny, you know, like bluetooth headphones can detect each other But the quantum bands like don't really They just kind of yeah, you think that they'd like try to like if you took it off and put it on a table It would maybe orient to it or it would glow when it's closer. Yeah, you're right That would be that would be mildly interesting like they want to be joined. They have this almost Semi sentient nature. They want to join together and kill them in the trailer Like That they're looking for me Oh, well, uh She says like I found it for a reason or something. She says that Yeah, well, so it's true. That's just something she says like I was meant to we're jumping ahead and back a little bit But um in the show miss marvel there's an episode where Kamala gets teleported back in time to like the 1940s during the partition Like the partitioning of india and um the reason why that happened is because her great-grandmother who was from a different dimension Um, I'll just she got stabbed by one of the leaders of a different dimension for me No, she came from a different dimension over to earth and she was hanging out there and she started a family But she was part of clan destine a group of uh, the the gin from the north dimension clan clan destine Yeah, yes, I I see what you did there. Oh, I see what you did there All right, she came from India It is called clan Destine that is their name. That is the name of the the group Um, but but they're from that different dimension I want they want to get the bang or so that they can go back to their own dimension and she gets stabbed Uh, and so while they're they're trying to get on the train like Kamala's grandmother they're trying to get on the train uh to go to pakistan and um aisha the grand the great grandmother says What you seek is seeking you which then is magically inscribed on the bangle And that's what teleports kamala back in time so that she can create a closed loop to save her grandmother from being like stranded Uh, so that she can lead her back to her father so that they can get on the train So that's that's so she says that in this movie later on as like sort of oh, you know What you seek is seeking you maybe that sort of explains how all of these fucking coincidences are happening Um, yeah, I guess Yeah, so my brain is dribbling out my ears. I'm sorry. I'm not going to do it. We're not even easy to understand We're not even a third of the way through the movie. All right, you gotta she gotta uh You gotta you gotta get just thank the fucking gods. It's a back in your ear Thank the gods for one and a half hour movie and not a two and a half hour movie I thought this was gonna be a short stream. I was wrong. I was no way. No way Yeah, no time gonna happen Um, but yeah, we basically have to accept that none of them notice that she has the bangle They have no means of detecting that she has it. Um, you know, it's just yeah And and and like imagine if they did like imagine of what happened is one of them saw that kamala had the bangle And then they're like hey get her and then kamala just out of like instinct Uses her powers and gets swapped with captain marvel who is presently flying over through the vacuum of space Could you imagine if it played out that way dead And definitely dead because she's probably going to use her powers at that point to get you know, like there's no potential of switching kamala We just immediately be like I was very lucky that nobody noticed really it really is. It's tremendously lucky Um, so we got a bit of exposition. There's the kree sciences that was mentioned earlier Who's like I need more time, you know with the quantum band to make sure it's safe to use but uh Darth Ben's like oh, I don't I don't care. I'm too chat. I'm too sigma I don't know how she put it on straight away, but now she wants the scientist to clear it What yeah, because she put it on and used it to create the unstable jump point Aaron planet. I guess she figured it was safe enough to just give it a shot Okay But you know, whatever uh, but then uh, because they mentioned that uh, you know kamala and monica They're like with captain marvel and she says all right. Shit. We got to use it now Then we got it. We got to get this air. All right. We got a we got to suck it into a little portal back to halla um And yeah, she puts on the quantum band And there is no like it doesn't alert her to the existence because I think this is when Kamala hides it So a decent amount of conversation happens between them now and like yeah She puts it on and it just can't it doesn't detect that the other one's right nearby. You it surely it would right What's that based on rule wise? I I don't even know anymore. I Can't Recognize each other when they're within range and don't when they're not makes me think that Those were designed by humans and this is a marvel movie. Yeah, what if someone just said they don't do that? That's it. They don't they're like two swords that were made at the same time. They don't detect each other That's that's fair. Maybe that's not a feature. I'm just surprised. It's not but that's okay I'm kind of surprised too. You think that would be a fun mechanic that they could use It would be like oh, she's close or something like that Well, it's just later on in the film when uh, Kamala gets teleported uh face to face with a dark ben They just begin to glow together just because they're next to each other But in the instance on tarnax it only glows when she uses it So nice and inconsistent. Um, but you know, whatever I think it is going for that whole They want to be together the bracelets want to be together and on Kamala and so yeah, she's a chosen one They're influencing it in some way to get that event to happen Uh, maybe they are but then why would they why would they glow to alert Darth ben on a ladner that our Kamala has one? That just makes it easier for her to potentially get him You could argue if they were that powerful then it's like we know if we set up this Instance it'll result in the best result which is boosting moniker out of the universe That's what I'd say if I was a really bad director that desperately needed to fill in a portal Yeah, I mean maybe who knows who knows who actually knows maybe the writer doesn't even know Nobody knows Nobody knows anymore. So so they're like, what are we going to do with these two? And then dark ben is about to blast them with a hammer and then our carol shows up just in the nick of time and blocks it Yeah, man, if you'd arrived a few seconds later moniker and kamala be dead Well, probably kamala moniker would be fine because she can just go just energies, you know She just goes yeah, I'm fine. No, you're obvious. But god damn so lucky a few seconds later and it would be game over um And then they they have a little fight and carol shoots a photon blast at dark ben and she like absorbs it Uh, and then she yeah, oh my god, and then she jumps out of the ship She jumps out Because she knows That she can survive that obviously My best guess is that she uses the laser in the hammer kind of like a rocket jump Or like I guess if you could use the spartan laser to slow you fall She like uses that laser in the the hammer to slow down as she uh approaches the surface Oh, oh wait, wait a minute. I just remembered the thing I was gonna say but I jumped the gun So now I gotta say it now. Uh, how the fuck did carol get here? Oh, she flew through interstellar space and she can That's the fastest traveling entity in this universe Yeah, we just see the end of captain marvel No rags that was slow That was slow. Yeah Maybe she likes to go through the jump points to get there Because like the speed of light is still finite It would just The speed of light is slow in space Yeah, well as I was saying bringing the time we'll take to get to a jump point even with light speed, right? Like well, you got the jump point over earth Which she could get to pretty quickly But the thing is is that the number of jump points varies depending on where you're going It's not like you just go through one and you're good. She might have to go through many um, did she arrive at um Tarnax, whatever via jump points I that's the only explanation that can work Otherwise it would have been impossible for her to make it in time Because it would have taken her like several hours to get out of the the uh, like past the aught cloud That would have taken her like a while level traveling between stars Same problem as the first movie if Tarnax was coincidentally very nearby, which why would it be? What I want to know is how does she navigate? She looks at the star. She's like a sailor. She looks at the stars. Yeah, she's familiar She knows and even when she's on a different planet and all of the stars are in different places She knows she knows how to use the entire universe. She's like searching for a ship Endgame is a great movie though. You know, that's a great movie We don't need to we don't need to reopen up Oh, yeah, and then this is pretty funny So carol and monica just jump out of the ship and fly after dud ben doth ben sorry And just leave kamala there on the ship with enemies Yeah Now here's the thing Carol doesn't know what her abilities are Maybe she thinks she can fly but monica knows monica absolutely knows she can't was bad enough when you don't know it's like you got to confirm Just double check. I mean like and then of course They both use their powers at the same time and nothing happens and they don't switch. Yeah So so a little question about kamala's powers because obviously the these these rules are exclusive to the mcu So I have no reference. Um, so she couldn't create those platforms, right? So can she control them going up and down and if so, could she not just fly by stepping on a platform She creates and then controlling the platform as it moves or is that she can control them somewhat? Oh, okay. I don't know if we've ever seen him move the plot. She's thrown things at people, right? At the end of the movie she she she moved a bunch of platforms towards uh towards uh doth ben in the final battle But never like in the way that you're talking about of just a controlled descent by standing on it like a platform Okay, but she could still make a slide down But the thing is is I don't really see why she wouldn't be able to do that when when she does the big, you know Because when she does the punches like that extends and retracts Yeah, and then of course there's a factor in the show. She uh, she can do the thing in bigon where she just encases herself in armor Uh, I don't know why she doesn't do that all the time. Honestly. Like it just seemed like a straight, uh, yeah it's like monica's like translucent like Invincibility essentially I can only assume. It's what it is where things just pass through her Yeah, I'm just like ready all the time. She's encased in armor and she's basically super super strong She can jump really high like yeah, I don't know why she doesn't just use that power all the time Honestly, but she doesn't she I don't she doesn't use it at any point in this film actually um But no, oh, uh carol comes back and then picks her up and then takes her back down to the surface So she eventually remembers after a little comedic bit that was really funny Um, and then once I get down to the surface Yeah, well, hey, look, all right It goes it was yeah, it was really funny Uh, and then what was funny was uh, the big speech that doth ben gives as she's on the ground Yeah, delivery is really embarrassing And she's just like, you know, you have betrayed the cray and because of that I shall destroy you I will destroy you I'm going to suck your air It's not chad. Uh, she's not chad aries. This is virgin. Fuck dark ben Um, but yeah, this is the part where uh, this is the part where doge, uh looks at looks at carol is like You fucked everything up. What did you do? This is a peace treaty and then yeah, she creates like an unstable jump point in the atmosphere that begins sucking up the uh The um, the air it just starts sucking it into a thing that directs it over to to hala um, so spaceballs Yes So, um And then yeah like and then she just leaves and then they order an evacuation And you mentioned it before I think baller. He's like we have nowhere to go and it's like But you can't stay here the air's getting sucked out Sorry to have to leave you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here And then um, and then that's something that we see is that they start getting on like these escape pods and transport ships And one of the ships gets sucked into hala, which I guess means all the scrolls on there would have been dragged down and killed Uh on hala, but you know Like I guess we don't care about them Um, but I guess that means that the force the force that is being generated by the atmosphere being sucked into hala Is sufficiently strong that it can stop ships that have the capacity to achieve escape velocity Which is funny because that's happening and captain marvel and kamala are just talking while that's happening in the background Like they might be able to use your help there captain marvel. She's like hang on. Oh, yeah, exactly I'm just trying to figure out what's going on what I'm heading towards is if that's the case Shouldn't they all be getting sucked in there like How can anything survive that if ships that are capable of getting into space with the energy you need to get in the space That they can't escape the force all of the people should be sucked up. It's all done. Yeah. It's all over. It's all joe Why is there sucking happening anyway? Hala has an atmosphere. It's not a vacuum Yeah, exactly But I believe uh when we were first watching this in the theater together rags, uh, you said Oh, yeah, opening a portal into space that would like have a damaging effect. It's like, well, it's not space It's a hala Yeah Supposed to be poison land that's all things like you could if you wanted to fuck up a planet You could just like suck out their atmosphere into the vacuum of space if um The way they treat is you know, you know in civil war when they throw all those gas canisters beginning to clear out the room and And then dr. Strange if you opened a portal to that gas room It would like suck all of the air out of his room. It's like no No, it would just be it would just be like opening a place between two places on there Yeah, the the air would start to mix a little Sure I guess we have to presume that the unstable jump points are creating a big suck Um, we just have to accept that they're creating that even though the jump points don't do that Well, yeah, because of course it sucks up the water and it's just like why is it sucking up the water? Yeah, we have to assume that it's like I think the air one is even still like how do you suck into How do you suck the air into that? How do you like what does it mean to suck the atmosphere completely of an entire planet into another? Like another planet. Yeah, you know what I mean? It would just add more and more and more atmosphere to the other that means that that huller And tarnax and presumably earth all have the same general composition of the atmosphere or of a substantial amount of nitrogen Substantial amount of you know what I mean like that they have the same general atmospheric composition I guess they most because everyone can breathe the same air so yeah Yeah, so it couldn't be a crazy like The like the the only thing that could cause it would be like a crazy and I mean crazy like atmospheric pressure differential or something but But I don't see that happening. It looks like they're basically they're just earth because the cosmic empty you is so boring Everywhere is just like earth whereas got people and Such that you don't even get as much of what you get in star trek. We're like, yeah Sure, they're all humanoid for the most part But like they're kind of like all different looking like here Mostly all humans or they're humans, but they're blue or green and very very very occasionally. Do you see an alien? Harder on cultural differences as well like this doesn't bother. It's just like whatever. No Well, yeah, exactly, you know the best way science fiction is famous for not doing anything interesting or or need What with aliens or different, you know, yeahizations, yeah And the star trek is on a tv budget So they have they they have to resort to forehead lumps and stuff because that's going to be like your easy way to do it Like occasionally very occasionally you'll get like something like species 8472 Which is just a tripod cgi thing that they can show for like three minutes Maybe an episode but but so if you do the forehead bumps and they act different and they sound different Exactly, and you're like, okay. Yes, and if you treat it seriously um game Well, you can say they're different on the inside Yeah, but but like ideally what you want to see is like a mass effect where you've got people who even though they're humanoid Like tourians have a very different kind of like body structure To uh to like human beings right and it's it's and and of course you have like the hanar and the uh and the um Damn, what's the other what's the what are the short guys? Oh The um Help us out. What were they called the guys with the the gas mask thing that they were what what are they what were they Yeah, after the first mass effect like three of the species just disappeared from the fucking the wall is The hanar no you got no the you the hanar you said There was they were saying volos. They're saying volos The volos and the elcor. Yes, that was elcor as well. Yeah, but yeah They uh, they just disappeared from the galaxy. We started we stopped saying I think we stopped seeing hanar Elcor and volos The point of making is a mass effect is what I like to see where you've got really different looking a like solarians Yeah, they're humanoid, but they don't look like people at all like um The closest you got is the asari, but like the asari have like meaningful differences in terms of like the way that They are and operate and like that's the geology and yeah Meanwhile here, it's just like oh, yes people and the best that you get is scrolls Well, web the best you got is web The best uh that character He should have been in this movie to save it. He could have told everybody what to do They should have had a movie called the vebs, which was web and another web and they go on an adventure together Yeah, they get up shenanigans billion dollar idea or the mcu Get into a sci-fi franchise I Then it has a horror ending because they end up in the star wars universe A new universe are we in star trek or No, you're a disney star Or like yeah the post credit scene it they they find thrown in the zombie storm troopers and it's just like no It's out. It'll be great. Anyway um Yeah, so they they need to start helping people but carol orders kamala don't use your powers get on the ship um kamala wants to help uh, but you know carol doesn't give a shit um, this is I would say this is like the first of So this this room is so thin thematically. It's unbelievable. Um The only one that I feel is like actually there in any real way is dream work Teamwork makes the dream work like teamwork is good. You know It's good to work as a team and this is like the first of that You know of like, ah carol doesn't really she don't really work well with the team, you know She uh Yeah, but but then you know as carol's flying around trying to save like these escape pods kamala sees some debris that's about to fall on some korean uh Dupree something scrolls and she runs over and um, she she puts up like a big shield and then switches with uh Uh carol and then kamala's falling down to the earth again and I get switched Where is monica doing this? She's just on the she's just on the escape pod saying come on guys. Come on run. Come on. Okay. Yeah That's fair. All right. Yeah, good stuff. Which is like which is not helping if you do that You're not helping Oh, you you want to you want to run up to be like you're only saying this to look like you're doing something to be safe That's why you're doing yeah Yeah, you're you are safe yourself and you want to make sure that you are on that ship when it takes off But you don't want to look too, you know selfish No, she's she's she's on the plane. You know she's she's there like you're good Like you don't have to pretend like you're trying to help other people Like no, we got it We're not going to get into it faster because you're sort of like Move like like you're trying to direct me to round third and go home Like I I got it. We're good And she doesn't even need to be on the ship because she can breathe space Yeah, and she can just fly up. Yeah, she should she should probably help people but no Or make some room for someone else. He doesn't need the I don't know if it Like because kamal actually wants to help people Like actively which is you know, it's nice when a hero actually wants to try and save people And I like I like split focus in terms of we got to save what we can not lose a whole bunch more trying to save more I like I like the clash of perspectives, but what I just said is all you get Yes, it doesn't last it doesn't last at all. It gets resolved the next scene because yeah, there's a part where I'm Like she uh carol flies back down. It's like where's monica not monica. She says that's monica where's where's kamala and uh kamala's off like creating a ramp to help some scrolls escape And then carol deliberately switches to get uh kamala back on the ship And yeah, she tells him like we've got to save who we can and then as they fly off We see many scrolls getting crushed under the falling debris It's um, it's kind of like weirdly it's really cathartic wow Finally a comedy beat works in this movie secret invasion built dealt so much damage secret invasion was so bad for the scrolls Oh, yeah, so for anybody who doesn't know and listen casually It hasn't seen the secret invasion episode There is currently as much as a million scrolls subverting all of our political and social systems on earth right now Well, that's mean. Yeah They're gonna cause the apocalypse because someone lied to a nine-year-old Their grand plan was to nuke earth and seemingly the vast majority of scrolls were on board with this. Yes. Yeah If not all of them Oh, you know, I'm sure that this is why we were highlighting like yeah, this movie definitely uh totally took took that forward Totally remembered that aspect of the fucking story And so now they're up in space Why did everything collapse if you're just sucking out air? Uh, I don't know. It's so sucky. It's sucking concrete up to But but but it fell down when everything got sucked up it fell down It makes so much sense. It's just hurting my brain like in a good way, I guess that's probably what that is. Yeah, you know, yeah I brought it up on uh, I think it was fnt But it's it's such a sad and shitty opportunity to well a good opportunity to do something and they did something shitty Which is that there's a choice to be made when kamala's created that bridge She's got to maintain it by being there and using her power But all the fucking debris is coming to get her and captain marvel can see that and she's like I want to get her out. Obviously if I move her then the bridge will fail and that'll kill all the scrolls If I use any of my powers to even get to her, I'll switch her out and then, you know You remember really this this this stakes this there's issues this risks returns There's all kinds of things happening But they just like immediately have a user power kamala gets switched back and then she grabs like two scrolls and they leave And it's like, oh, you didn't even acknowledge That by switching her you cancelled out a bridge which killed all the scrolls like Oh, well, that would have been interesting. It's like a choice or something I don't I don't want to show carol doing something that probably killed a few people Yeah, like genociding harler or something, you know He wouldn't want to show that That's in the movie between the movies Yeah A lot of a lot of women doing genocides in media that these past few years, you know, it's just uh They're playing catch up. Yeah playing they're playing catch up a level of playing field And So they're up in space and uh doge uh is like carol you You fucked everything up, you know, um, but he's not that angry and it's basically dropped as soon as carol says Oh, I caught a friend like there's so many instances in this film of drama gets raised and instantly Like resolved, you know or just forgotten about where it's just like you messed everything up Oh, I caught a friend. Okay. And that's it. That's all you got for that and then um, and then you see a uh The bifrost, uh, opening up and that's a valkyrie I got really confused because she's wearing her men in black costume And I'm like She wore the suit and fall love and thunder at a certain point, right? She's doing official shit. Yeah Where she was sore love and thunder. Oh Yeah, she she's here and she's gonna she's gonna take these scrolls to earth It's specifically new asgard. I assume. Yeah, which I don't know. Do they have sovereignty in new asgard? Why not? I guess they why not probably have some amount of sovereignty, but Why not? Right now on earth since this takes place after secret invasion America is like very openly declared world scroll There was a presidential address where he basically said it's us versus them. We're gonna fucking crush them And you remember fiori's reason Fiori's reason for not bringing any superpowered people in is because the worst thing that could happen is they turned into Superpowered people and now they're all asgardians And now they're in asgard and remember asgard doesn't just have asgardians It has aliens there. It has like people from different different like planets and stuff So that just gives them a free gateway to Like go across the galaxy. Remember when fiori said the president's speech was hateful You fucking bet it was hateful Okay, you're hateful And so yeah now we got another bit for the the theme of teamwork This is like the second of maybe four or five instances of this theme having anything Where our valkyrie tells carol you can stand tall without standing alone. That's it and then she leaves Yay As if there was any doubt or conflict about this theme to begin with Well, the teamwork is good Well, yeah, like there's never like I have to do this alone or I can't work with people or no But from like the beginning they're all just like they sort of well They like give lip service to it and say no, we're not a team But they basically but they are But that's like it, you know, you can dig in it from what we've seen so far If kamala been told to stay home and not use her powers a lot of things would have been done better and faster by now Yes, that's true kamala kamala in particular Is she's she's inexperienced. She shouldn't be here. She shouldn't be here But we'll get to we'll get to that part in a second. Um But uh, yeah, so they've all left but there's a little part where kamala's like, oh, you know cow tomorrow's gonna fix this Um, and it looks like carol's kind of like it's like she's kind of a little bit like annoyed But also like kind of not because this this doesn't carry forward like This is resolved in the next scene for that. Um, but you know that that scene's done Now we're going over to hollow which we get to see like properly for the first time It's desolate. It's dark But the atmosphere is getting filled in and uh, dark bends giving a speech in front of a crowd Tells them like, oh, yeah, you can breathe some fresh air Um, and then and then we get the flashback of uh, of the good old story with carol. Wait, where are Yeah, those civilians are the citizens. Whatever have you of Yeah, this is what they oh, I might I might be talking about someone else. I'm not even sure but they Would have seen presumably unless she opened it at some other area of the planet Like they would have seen what she did, right? I assume and not only would they've gotten some new air to breathe Sure, would they not have seen like many people ships Architecture soil all coming in under the soundtrack of screaming Would they not think like Splatting on the ground. Yeah, like they just see scrolls being like, they're just like, well, that's interesting What are the civilians? Where do they think these resources are coming from? Do they know that they're being stolen from habit inhabited planets? And are they cool with that because if they are That's real awkward, man Like because because they're definitely meant to be they're definitely framing the civilians are sympathetic of like, uh, they're suffering You know this plight and it's unfortunate and you know, but but like I don't I don't know if they know what's going on Like if they know where all of these resources are coming from But you know This is where we got the flashback as well. So we we see that daft ben she saw carol the annihilator just Indiscriminately like killing all of these careers. She's working her way towards the supreme intelligence And then she blasts like the roof above daft ben and drops all of the debris on her And then uh, and then something that something that daft ben says is that carol said that you know It's like heard her lies claiming she was there to set us free But when she destroyed the supreme intelligence, she destroyed the kree Um, and it's just like oh, so did carol stick around for a while? No, she left I think we have to conclude that she left which um, I think it's safe to say this is this is basically a character assassination Which I didn't think was possible with our carol, but they managed it Yeah, it's it's nuts. It doesn't make any fucking sense. She caused a civil war slash destroyed everything Abandoned the other it's like wait, but wasn't she already criticized for abandoning earth and it's like, yeah Like she just abandons people and things Well, it's just what an idiot. I'm gonna destroy the central foundation of this civilization and then just leave But I'm gonna tell him like yeah, but that the supreme intelligence was evil. Okay. You're on your own. Bye Uh, I just wasn't involved in anything at all. Like what an idiot Imagine someone said like your government is evil wipes them all out and leaves like Uh It's just crazy that she couldn't consider at all the ramifications of destroying the governing entity of the civilization and just leaving That's like, yeah What uh, oh, yeah, this is a terrible person It's commentary on foreign policy. Okay, this movie's very political Ah, yes, I see. Yeah, of course And they do yeah, that was never one respects the most brie loss and I mean At least have it by someone who you think, okay, maybe they know what they're doing She just goes around the galaxy blowing stuff up at random I do that sometimes I mean remember when she killed all the creeper four and she was wooing it's like, yeah I mean she has goose as a pet Yeah Every time she gets teleported into a new room. She punches somebody in the face. She doesn't even know the situation she's in She's just punching people Yep, uh, like how you replay the fight as well because as I was glancing over it's like, oh, yeah Remember how like she the guy on the moon. She like threw him 50 miles But the guy that she threw into the wall didn't throw him very far or hard at all It's like, yeah, of course. We I mean we're past that but whatever The stamina bar was low fringy. The stamina bar was low The scientist is like we need more power than they uh, the band can provide to reignite our son That's what he says two bands worth of power. I mean, which is funny because consider what happens which he uses two of them um and and and Like they're not they're not trying to like reignite their star with with the bands like that They're gonna create a portal. That's what they're gonna do So I find this line very confusing was their plan to get the two bands so that they could like restart the star Was that their plan? Is that possible? Is that something that it can do? Just like restart a star. And what does that mean if the star has deplenished all of it Deplenished Diminished and replenished is what I if it's if it's diminished and used up all of its hydrogen What does it do? Is it just like restore a bunch of hydrogen to the course of that confusion? All I know is whatever monica says is true is true if she says Yeah, whenever she says science stuff Sure, that's that's how it works in marvelville To help out with to help out with the visual like the the their star is like it's way dimmer I presume it's it it doesn't people are way dimmer It has not expanded. It's not like in a red giant phase. It's like the same size, but it's it's like dimmer And slower and there's something that Like I don't I don't understand what exactly I'm meant to believe about what's happening with the star because unless I've got it Totally wrong as I understood it stars dying when they Have exhausted Like their fusion process that they fuse hydrogen and once that's done They have to fuse heavier elements like helium and that the more that it goes up the more that it like accelerates towards its death So if this star is like dying Doesn't that just mean it's like used up all of the resources it can use for fusion? Like how do you fix that? Unless I've got to pump it up hydrogen, right? I guess Again though the the stars don't tend to go cold when they die at least not until like billions and billions of years And they're completely cooled down So that's the other thing to add on as well stars live for billions of years The really big stars like you're really really big like blue and white stars They die really quickly, but remember really quickly on a cosmic scale It's still millions of years thousands of years at the absolute least But a main sequence like our star looks like the same one as hollow ours is like a yellow star main sequence Yellow star there's gonna last 10 billion years the red giant phase lasts for like what two billion years So like how did it die in 30 years? They killed the supreme intelligence Right, and the supreme intelligence was what tapped into there was a big Ethernet cable that went from the spring intelligence into the sun and Is it ethernet or ethernet? I thought it was ethernet. I think you're not either. Okay, that's fair I'll allow you to do both because I'm nice. I guess I guess Against all logic, we have to accept that this is the state of the star. It's it's it's slowing down its process But it's got plenty of hydrogen left to fuse It just needs I don't know some sufficient amount of energy But to jump ahead Darben's plan is to extract the massive our star our sun and I guess just deposit it into that star which I don't know man Do you know how big stars are? Do you know how big they are? That sounds like a supernova waiting to happen And this one's this one's particularly malicious because you'd be like oxygen Okay, it's quite hot likely that planets with oxygen may have life on water. Okay the same you can get any star You don't exactly well planet that's got life on it The thing is is that we're not at the because you see that's the motivation of the villain. You see she's She's a spiteful evil, but we'll get to that. Um, boy. I'm excited to win Basically, it's probably gonna be really good Darben's like we don't need the other band. We don't have enough time, you know Hull is fucked. We gotta we gotta get moving. Um, and then that's that and so now we're back on the ship with Carol uh, and monica they're having a little chat as they're making repairs Um, and monica basically expresses that like so like why did you never come back? You never came back. You said you'd be back before we knew it and uh, carol's response which b4 one This is just not true. Okay. This is not true what she says Uh, she says she didn't know what she was getting into. She didn't know how to explain her obligations to monica That she was gonna come back. Uh, but other people needed her. This is not true, but this is what she says Um, like carol doesn't believe this. It's a lie She's lying to her and her She's lying to monica and or herself basically Um, and then monica's like, yeah, but we needed you and then that's the end of the conversation And we're not getting much more on that until the second act low point That's when we get continued Development of this dynamic So like for reference all we had was like one throwaway line in one division a couple of their intro conversations and a bit of their Uh, they're like, oh, you know, we're not we're not really like getting along and then it's resolved in the second act low point And that is the extent of the relationship between carol and monica in terms of like meaningful direct Um development of this this friction. Isn't that incredible? I mean, I would use another word, but yeah, um, yeah, you've done it. You did it. It's it's finished Those parts are also the worst parts of the movie They are well Yeah, I guess it's just um, I find it insane how little character that was in this film Like I find it remarked. It's not like the plot is so riveting and detailed that you need to dedicate I just don't I don't know how they did it like I know it's one and a half hours But like you can achieve like a lot of the disney renaissance animated films are less than an hour and a half And think about everything they accomplished in that time Compared to how much and they had better songs as well, but maybe I'm getting ahead of myself They had better everything Um, oh, yeah, and so carol's like, oh, I'm sorry how I spoke to kamala and it's like, oh, it's all good So that conflict is resolved as well. Like it's already done. It's all good. You know, yeah I'm sorry. That's okay. And it's it's resolved like what four minutes after it happened That's good I mean that checked it off the list of things that you have to do for film I mean, yeah, that's right. You need conflict and then you need to resolve it. Ah, yes, good Got it. We need characters and a plot. Okay Oh swiftly moving along. Um, and then you just have a bit where like kamala's just like, oh, yeah Captain Marvel you're so cool. Oh, what should we have our superhero names? Oh, we're the marvels. Haha. Yeah, we We don't need to talk about this, right? It's just boring and not funny and fucking lame I agree. Does anybody anybody have any particular observations about Spending like all that time just trying to figure out superhero names for moniker right after A bunch of scrolls just died who these guys like Um, like what mere mere hours after that happened It's it's all back to jokes and funny times and ha ha because you can never sit with a sad moment Even though if you ask you can never sit with a sad moment for more than a couple of minutes You've got to get moving you got to keep going In hindsight it makes it a star that they ended infinity war Like that and then left us for however long a couple years just with that as a state of things kind of Yeah, also like was that jump rope CGI because brie larson did not look like she was jumping rope in Oh, that's uh Uh Are we not there yet? No, we're not quite there yet. We're okay. We're not the jump rope We're not the jump now now we got some big old exposition So kamala shows carol the bangle explains how it works It was glowing when uh the portal got opened uh on uh Tynax and she explains how one sets her back in time which we already covered and she which you know She thinks that's related uh carol says, uh, that's a quantum band and and that it's a myth But you know, I guess it's not and it's an ancient artifact But I guess it's not And then yeah moniker at this point it's like oh, what are the odds that like kamala and uh Darth ben would ever encounter each other and all of like the cosmos about it and then kamala says Oh, what's seeking you what you seek is seeking you and it's like oh, okay cool movie Do you think that's a sufficient explanation a a jinn cast a spell on a magical bangle During partition or whatever so fuck you was he drinking jinn while he cast his jinn Oh Maybe Yeah, this is nice. Yep. Just just uh Did you know as you said it's just nothing happens of it? But The expect I think any normal person would have expected like oh kamala's gonna learn that captain marvel's not the hero She thought she was Wow, that could be interesting doesn't happen Who knows what will happen to her character because of that, you know if some marvel suit said We can't do that because we need kamala to feel inspired by her anyway And I'd be like you can still do that you can have you write her to be such a terrible shit human being Yeah, because in a better world it would be yeah, you got flaws, but like you still go out there and do That's the arc you you have a lose complete faith in it And then she realizes that a superhero is a lot more than some paragon who's impossible to have a failure in In uh far from home, right? It's like you can't live up to tony tony couldn't live up to tony like yeah Like the perfect ideal doesn't exist He was a flawed individual just like you but he tried his best. So that's what you need to do because I did this in koko Well, this is what I meant by When she had that moment of watching captain marvel say like we're fucking leaving go It was like, uh, oh, I see. Oh, we're gonna be doing that and then the film's like no Hi, she's just like, oh, I'm sorry. It's okay. And that's it Do you say that as if like It's it's not it's as though the film didn't even acknowledge that that's what they were You know if she had said like I thought Maybe you were a bit different and she's like, oh, yeah, I'm not but sorry about that We don't even like pretend that's the arc. It was more She said she's sorry for like yelling at her Which is which it would be I don't know. It feels like people yell at each other in It's okay I don't think that's the kind of thing that you would really hold against each other I yelled at you in the heat like in a battle to try and get you to do things the way that I wanted to Compared to I'm sorry that you had to experience leaving many as far as you're aware innocent people to be crushed to death Yeah, you know, like it's it's just Kamala, you know, like I think that she's Of the three caps because I I basically think that monica is a static character in this film I don't think she has an arc. I don't think she goes anywhere um, because her grievance is Normal you left like you abandoned us and she's not wrong for holding that and carol basically admits like yeah I fucked up so monica doesn't have an arc She is just the way she is the whole time and she's totally static Which is by the way like that's what if she was a great character, but static that'd be one thing But she's boring is basically what i'm getting at she's got nothing going on Yeah, like if I have a diamond in my house and it just stays that way That's all right Yeah, but if I have a turd that I haven't flushed I would Like it's a go I'd like it to change or You should warn the left house instead Yeah, but um So this is this The lesson that brie should be learning is that these decisions are too big for me to decide That I shouldn't have done that decision in the first place and you kind of get like um What is this in star trek the the prime directive that I can't predict all of the consequences of this on somebody Else's culture that I don't know anything about and so I shouldn't do it But she the lesson she seemed to take from it was I'm sorry. I couldn't fix the problems afterwards But I don't think she ever even considers maybe I should have left it that way Maybe if I don't know what to do I could just not do some you know do something I could Like think and work things out. Ooh, they could do the thing where she becomes overly cautious and instead Yeah, maybe carole like she needs to do something but she's kind of frozen by fear after what happened on holla and what she did So, yeah, yeah one way it's it's like hyper intervention or just like no everybody's problems are their problems It's not my place to get involved and then that there's some like maybe fear her own power Because she's just a girl from here. She did not expect to be the most powerful entity in the universe But no, well that's gna Uh, oh, yeah, that's right I'm sure we'll see her again. Um So what is explained is that according to kree legend the quantum bands were used to create the jump point network Um kamala says this explains their entanglement, which I think it kind of doesn't kind of dozens Um because I don't really understand. So the bands created the jump point network But they also unlocked kamala's mutation which allows her to manifest nor from the nor dimension into physical constructs And it also absorbs like The light powers the binary blasts of captain marvel and also it gives you like it can help you travel back in time And it can also give you like visions You know what I mean? Like what? Why does it have all of these abilities? Well, that's just fucking handy quantum. I'll say all of them are intuitively connected Oh, well, you know, I guess so yeah, none of you disagreed so Quantum solves this It's filled by uh, the one you didn't explain for you There's one extra power you can inscribe writings through wishing it hard enough onto the bangle that will travel through time Yes, so really it all makes sense um, all right and uh The the universal weapon is what the hammer's called, but I wrote down the universal weapon Yeah, that's what it's called. It's called the universal weapon Yeah That's it. Yeah I feel like a hammer is a better name I space hammer would be better. What is that because it can weapon destroy universes or just that it can be used on anything Uh, I I don't know. It can only be used on universe Well, that's why I mean cut does it have the power to destroy the universe or are they like well, this can just hit anything Like we use universally on all objects This this will slam it to anything in the universe much like a normal hammer, but it's big Yeah, but this uh, this this hammer is made out of atoms Whoa, can it see light universe Quantum atoms Oh, it's uh, so I just mentioned it's like wait, do you think they just they didn't remember to switch the name That was the placeholder name So like fuck it Yeah, we'll just call it that Uh, well anyway, so Uh, Kamala says that Darth ben had some star charts on the ship Uh, and then Carol's like, oh, we can use the scroll, you know a torture device to uh to get those memories to uh Find out what was on the star chart. Um, and then yeah, she clarifies She's been trying to use them to unlock the memories and monica points out like wait You're still trying it. It's been like 30 years and this is like, oh, yeah, you know, yeah And I guess we just have to accept it in 30 years. She's not been able to It's another thread Yeah, but I thought like I don't believe her because she learned how to fly in like 12 seconds I thought that the payoff for that was gonna be another arc of like carol choosing the To stop trying to dig up the past instead move on with their future, but no Okay, and so so this is this is important things to clarify when they use this machine They find the star chart and it shows the magellanic galaxy. It doesn't show the planet that the korea going to specifically Um, remind it galaxies are huge Um, the milky way has over a hundred billion stars. Yes as you just You know, wow. Yeah, that's true. I mean, I've not gone and counted them myself individually, so Just be clear. Magellan circumnavigates the globe. I mean, he didn't even make it all the way And he gets a galaxy named after him Me I don't know about that. That seems a little It should have just named the planet after him Just to remind it all they have going forward for relevant plot stuff is they know what galaxy they're going to That does all you need is it down by a lot, but in a meaningless way They should use carol's magical navigation thing I agree. Yes I was confused about this as well What which magical navigation thing she has a couple? Yeah, what do you think? Another power love Around the galaxy finds around. Oh, yeah Yeah, she could just do that some way. Yeah Um, oh and yeah while they're going through these memories Um, a memory starts playing when carol returns earth during the snap uh to visit maria Monica's mom who was dying of cancer and she says like oh you should have been captain marvel It was a stupid race that we did to the hangar. You should have been Captain marvel and then maria's like, oh, you know, I want you to take goose but only until monica comes back um And yeah, monica doesn't want to relive these memories, but carol just wants to keep doing it And we don't really get anything She doesn't stop. She just keeps it going It's like sorry, I need to still see this even though monica is obviously and understandably upset About these oh my dead mom memories of her talking about us. Look, that's fun Yeah, when you visited during the snap, but you weren't there when I came back. Thanks bro. Appreciate it Um, it was funny as well as saying like you should have been captain marvels like yeah Well, even if she did go in the training exercise or whatever instead of you She wouldn't have been dumb enough. Hopefully to shoot the engine all over herself Well, no, but as as I mean it might be that in multiple universes maria is captain marvel because of some weird obsession with The producers I guess. Um, but you know, that's just a thought that's that's definitely a nod to that That's like that's the what if if she had won the race, haha That's right. Oh, yeah And then um, yeah monica just explains like yeah Nobody was there for when she came back and then kamala gives her a hug and reassures her like, oh, I'm sorry about that Because again kamala is just like more socially astute than uh, than carol Like carol's just oblivious Carol is allergic to emotions A little bit. Yeah on but that's the end of that as well. It's just like, oh, yeah No, I'm sorry. Anyway, moving on with the plot. Yeah We're just back to the plot is if nothing happened there I guess what I'm willing to bet they cut a lot of the actual like I refuse to believe that these there's these pieces these tiny bits of residue of what looks like writing It's like was this writing at some point. It's like no, no, no, it was all sludge and you're like, okay So this is um, so I want to I want to run through all of this information to be very clear about it all So, um the explanation of the jump points is that they quote stretch and reconfigure space without rupturing the spacetime continuum Uh, but the more jump points that are installed the more unstable the network becomes like fracking Uh, and then it basically of darben. Sorry darben if she keeps creating jump points It's going to cause problems now I find this confusing because It's like, oh the more that you add in stable or not makes it unstable Yeah, that line's only there so they can tell you about fracking is bad And the fracking line is not like that's dubbed over. Nobody says that line in the movie I wouldn't be surprised if that was adr. Yeah, because you can't see her Um, oh, right. I just I don't even understand what the comparison is like to fracking versus creating holes in spacetime I can't see that. I don't see me now Um, but and then and then so so This is how they start deducing where they need to go. So i'm just going to run through it in order So tarnax was formerly occupied by the kree. Maybe the attack was a warning Therefore they're going to attack another colony But the magillanic galaxy was 25 percent like controlled by the kree at one point. So That's so many planets. It's unbelievable Uh, but then oh well if if darben wanted to destroy tarnax Um, why wouldn't she just blow it up? You know She was jump points aren't weapons but means of transportation jump points have two sides So the atmosphere of tarnax probably went to harla as you know carol figures out Given that harla had a shit atmosphere and is suffering from a drought. Maybe the next place Uh has to do with water Uh, and then the planet that they're going to go to is Alanda is in the magillanic galaxy and oceans cover 99.63 of the planet. This is a correct guess This is where she is going In the entire galaxy in the in the entire galaxy man Wow Wow nice And what's what's better when you add on top? This is before carol figures out that darben Sorry darben is specifically targeting places that she cares about So for all she knows she's just going to random places to extract their resources and based on where you are now Wouldn't it make more sense that she would go to a planet that is uninhabited? There's got to be water worlds that have nobody on them Elsewhere so many of all the universe absolutely The reality is you have no means of actually guessing where they're going to go when we're talking about a galaxy with over 100 You know, I don't know how big this galaxy is supposed to be But I mean if you know of our galaxy's any indication at the very least tens of billions of stars There's no way that you can even you can't even begin to guess You can't even begin to guess like you know what I mean? Like it wouldn't even be it wouldn't even be worthwhile to guess. It's like, what's the point of that? You just have no idea But yes, I need to do that Yeah, you'd want um On inhabited planets because if you go for inhabited planet, you're gonna piss them off. They're gonna try and strike you a little bit And this is the fate of your home world. You're not going to want to risk it You want to destroy something you do it afterwards once you've already fixed your own home world Plus, I mean like the lives of kree soldiers that you're sending, you know, you want to avoid that But that's kind of what i'm getting at is that even though guessing is pointless Even if you wanted to your guess doesn't make sense. Why wouldn't they go to a place that has No people on it for just those reasons because I don't want to get into a fight I'm just i'm tired of science fiction stories not understanding how big the universe is Like these types of like shitty marvel movies that like just think that the universe is tiny Is really fucking annoying Open a nice moon They they open the portal next to a city rather than anywhere else on the entire planet They it's just like well, we built a set here. Everything must happen If you guys want to have a fight then just show up and say hey you want to fight I just basically john wick Like every planet has one every planet has one city. They all speak the same language Um, they look like humans. Yeah, they all look like humans Everywhere is really close together. Everywhere's inhabited unlike in you know, as far as we can tell most planets are empty Like not empty, but you know, most planets don't seem to have life at least at the You know our solar system is any indication I just I don't know. I just find this all really annoying and the fact that they guessed it correctly Like the whole movie ends if they got it wrong and the odds of them getting it wrong are like astronomically high To comprehend. Yeah. Yeah, like we're talking like the chance of getting it right are like 0.00000 like There was no educated guess when we're talking about billions of potential locations, but whatever, you know, they got it right Here's a question. Why didn't Darth Ben just open one portal on earth in the ocean or above it and suck up the air and the water at the same time Or because fuck you Yeah, you can do it right on the water level. Yeah, get them both the old one That's right two birds with one stone And then when you're done and suck it all up just flip it around and get the sun too Mm-hmm But I guess the logic would be yeah, but this one's 99 what which by the way you talk about the evolution of The evolution of a humanoid species on a planet that has like no fucking land You know what I mean? Do we even want to think about like what is the evolutionary move there from a different planet Then again, the celestials might have planted a seed in our atlanta or a lander And then they guided them and then the the deviance were there But they stopped them and so like humans flourished there and then the celestials are going to emerge out of Emerge out of the planet and blow it up Maybe in a really big ice caps at one point and it melted Yeah, it's weird that like human like great apes would you know emerge on a planet everywhere Yeah, well, yeah, I guess never were but doubly so It's called convergent evolution right when two independent species develop like similar traits Is that what is cool? What is that the term? So like convergent evolution. Yeah, that's right because uh raccoons and tanookis You know, they're not related at all, but they they they both adorable little uh little critters with there. Yeah, they're great Yeah Yeah crabs keep evolving is uh the big joke of convergent evolution the plural these independent species just turn into crabs Anyway, um Yeah, Carol acting It's interesting because yeah a lot a lot. I keep saying a ladner a ladner Say a lad and you know Uh Harold's acting uh weird about it all but which you know kamala and monica both notice, but you know, it's it's uh, you know Whatever now now now we're right to uh like fury is taking so fury because kamala's family insisted Uh, he's bringing them up to sabre Why because they insisted? Oh, yeah He has no power to just say nah, bye, but he's bringing them up Um and and then they're having a call and and kamala's mother who by the way after watching uh after watching miss marvel She's one of the better characters has been introduced in uh in phase four and five kamala's mother is like She's actually like kind of an okay character mostly normal responsible parent who's trying to make the best for your family Yeah Um, so she you know, she's rightfully anxious about carol taking her teenage daughter like on a dangerous cosmic mission And uh carol and monica basically reason like well, she needs to stay with us because we can't risk Intergalactic body swapping but like if kamala just went home Didn't use her powers and talk off the bangle if we're going to assume that that has anything to do with it There's no risk of switching places Just don't use your powers the risk and like We're talking zero risk versus potential risk of death or serious injury. Why is she actually going with them? I just hate it. They take an underage kid to this very very very dangerous mission Yeah Well, I don't think they have much choice because they'll just swap anyway, so it's probably safer that she's with them to Small distance So that's what I was saying though She can just because remember using the powers is what makes the swap So kamala could just like not do that. Just go home Don't use your powers take off the bangle because something that's worth clarifying as well Kamala doesn't need to wear her bangle to have her powers I thought that's how it works, but i'm just i'm gonna add at the end of the movie. She uses it without the bangle on So she don't even need it. So like why are they taking her? Why why like what I think I think they want you to go like, oh, yeah, they can't risk uh interdimensional You know interplanetary like swapping, but just don't use your powers I don't understand rags is wrong. Captain marvel is an overage kid Oh Like in infinity war right remember when peter like almost goes to the like outside in the space And like tony is freaking out. He sends him back to the earth and when he finds out that You know peter actually snicked snuck into the ship He's like freaking out. What is you are a kid. Don't be here. Like why are you here? Even the cape is freaking out These people are like, okay, we're just gonna take this kid To this very very dangerous mission And we promise to protect her. How can you promise that? There's going to be a combat that is going to endanger her life And she's 16 Yeah, it was funny like the writers Can't understand that this is like the writers know everything's going to work out in the end So they write the characters as if they all know the same thing as well. Like they can't actually comprehend danger Yeah, pretty much like I just I just find it fascinating that they didn't have a real conversation about that or actually taking off the bangle and hiding it because if kamala's going to wear it and then you know You're going to go and potentially confront her as far as they believe they're heading to the place where they're going to meet her Like surely it's a good idea not to deliver the bangle right to her Just hide it somewhere else, you know take it back to earth or take it somewhere and hide it. Maybe keep it on Study it. Oh, you know you could have given it to uh valkyrie So she could have taken it to asgard You know the new asgard and they could oh and I guess now's the time Um, where's dr. Strange? Where's falcon? galaxy dr. Strange in a different universe a different reality a different uh line a different realm Or a different timeline or or maybe he's pulling together all the timelines and turning them the color red and blue and making a big tree Time is purple But no, there's there's not even uh, usually we get the throwaway line of like, oh, they're busy But we don't get anything in this film for other avengers Not even when the earth is about to be destroyed It's it's fine. Sorry about it um Oh, uh, and and again, this is an important detail goose has been brought aboard sabre This is so important. It's unbelievable. Like it's so important. But uh, anyway, if this were a telltale game It'll be like the game will really remember this Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you'd step onto sabre with the cat and then you get the notification The game is saving remember this and you're like white white. What I check point Did I do something good or bad or I remember me you you really wanted to because now we're at the montage of them testing and learning their powers You were really you really wanted to talk about the them like the the the jump rope thing, yeah because it looked like It looked like she was jumping In front of nothing and then they added a jump rope like not even like that they see jeed But there was like footage of a jump rope they added behind her. It was like the fakest jump rope jumping I've ever seen in my life. Um, I was by the way that jump rope thing further confirms that when they switch They sort of switch to the orientation because it switches to the character holding the skipping rope And then the other character obviously not holding it and doing the the jumping There's no way that you could sink. It would be so disorienting that there'd be no way that you could possibly sink in any way that's You know, I don't you know what I mean like no no matter I don't know how much training you could do to be reoriented to like An entirely different sort of like place and perspective Um and and being in perfect sync, but I don't want to imply like I see they're growing better as a team They're getting their power level is expanding. I just don't buy it But no, you know nothing of note there But then this is of note. We're back on saver station. The power is it's going flimpy partially because of the um It's it's there's like pulses emanating from the jump point because of these new unstable ones It's causing problems, but as they're looking around they find like a strange alien egg Um, they don't know that it's an egg, but we might as well just say it's like a strange alien egg Sort of like in in aboard the ship again. This is really important. It's so important. It's crazy We were talking earlier about like phasing it out of the movie I think I did do a little bit of that because I remember when they have it in like a tank where they're studying it I just seen robocop one and two back to back Uh, we'll rewatch one uh, watch two for the first time. I think and it's a neat movie. I recommend it But there's a several pieces of imagery of brains in um In in like tanks and stuff, but I actually thought it was a brain for a bell. I was like, why do they have a brain? Like what's why is nick fury studying a brain? What's happening? I would like to said phasing it out of the movie that I was just like what Where's this going and I just for a moment was just had to take the idea of like, are they gonna put the brain in the machine? It's like gonna solve a problem or something The the first time I Recognized that that was a thing it was in the tank as well And I it was so random and like just a complete non sequitur. I thought they were setting up a different movie in the movie I didn't think anything to do with this one Yeah, I noticed it right away, but I it's still very random. Like what is that like doing on the ship? It's such a big pale Why would you just lay eggs like no animal would lay eggs randomly across a huge area where they couldn't protect them Oh, and also, I don't know. I feel like there are animals that would There's probably there's animals that eat their own eggs. I guess, you know I'm not ready to make that call Noting is because we'll just cover because fury starts examining it in the in the little thing There were there were aliens on sabre. One of the guys says he's like 300 years old So there's a bunch of aliens here. Nobody recognizes flurken eggs No, but they do know flurkins They're no flurkins. They know flurkins enough to rate them as high-risk and terrifying critters They don't know what a flurken egg looks like nobody on nor can the flurken egg be analyzed Basically, just like they got nothing. They're just like Yeah, you can't put it through like a ultrasound That would be that would be incredible You can't just like scan it and clearly see that there's a cat inside Well, we have to remember as well this so far ahead of us in terms of technology now Like it's absurd. They've got like seven different sources of tech that's centuries ahead and shit This is like earth should be you know, fucking utopia at this point. Those are my fucking tax dollars Yeah, get a ultrasound already loses. I'm like legitimately upset at how insanely incompetent they are Like at least nasa nasa gets to space, you know Allegedly Allegedly, allegedly so Oh Which brings us to something I really don't have much to say so You know, they travel to a ladner carol says she's famous there because she held the prince with illegally too Um, and then we get a really really long Musical sequence. How did how did it really long? It's fucking gratuitous. They're getting their I guarantee you is cut down. I guarantee you that's a cut down scene. There was more of it and someone That fucking marvel was like maybe don't have the singing sequence be 10 hours long Maybe just go for the 10 minutes The other singing sequence. There probably was more than one Why we already we already have one Well, because the people on the planet they they speak in song. That's why Which is not song It's not as intuitive to be at all as different languages because they just speak normally but with like a melody to it That's it Yeah Then we establish, I mean, I know I know it's in the future But like we establish that they can be bilingual they can they can actually like learn the same language It's a joke. Yeah, that's like that's something that like that's a comedy thing It's not like an actual you're not like it's not a serious movie joke. That's a comedy movie joke It is yeah, because what joke meant to make sense That's partly why they're funny teaching any of those fucking song speakers how to You know speak the other language would just be yeah, just do it but don't sing it like it's This is the same movie that includes genocide Oh, yeah, they have a lot of those in marvel these days a lot of genocide but it's against the scroll So that is a comedy It's not if it's against the scrolls. It's not genocide. It's pesticide. Oh Rags you shouldn't run for president of earth in the model universe I have a very One issue voters because damn I ain't got nothing else I just really hate scrolls, okay And that's all you need for all you know your entire family of scrolls in that universe rags So maybe you'll learn to love them Not possible scrolls don't know what love is See i'm not offended that there's songs i'm i'm offended that there are lame songs This is not going anywhere near my spotify. They could have given me at least a good song No, they don't even want to be there. They don't even want this song They just threw it in because some exec wanted it, you know, they Remember cats you guys Yeah This whole this whole sequence is again It's sort of is exemplifying why I really hate marvels interpretation of like space and science fiction Look at how wacky they are except they're all people and they all speak english and it's all pretty legible Everything's normal except the society like all of the structures feel like they're reminiscent of like Mediterranean, you know like all of the build everything's really clear and understandable and comprehensible But look zany wacky they're singing and they they're talking song. I just think it's so lame I don't know back to the music and the lyrics on interesting aida. It's just like oh, yeah It's pretty pretty boring music and the three when you can Uh, sort of modes were on for kamala. It's just like oh, this is kind of neat and fun Captain marvel is just like this is so awkward and then moniker is like old woman mode Where she's like, oh, this is me. Oh, and she's walking around like really badly dancing like And then when she gets there, she's like seems tired. I was like How old are you man? Yeah The whole thing is awkward and lame and I got nothing to say about it. Well, I told to say it's cringe, you know get at that in there as well Basically this sequence lasts for longer than it's too long. Um, how long does it in the file like seriously? I don't know how long it lasted in the theater. I don't know Um in the theater, it was my guess was 10 minutes But it's probably a lot shorter than that and it just felt longer than that And yeah, so basically the only takeaway is that uh, you know carol meets it's prince yan And she's princess of this this place and she basically says oh, yeah Like darben's coming and we need we need new battle worthy suits because I don't have that's not true Captain marvel has her suit moniker doesn't and Well, no wait moniker had her saber suit, which I guess is not a superhero suit Um kamala doesn't have us but carol does but we need but you know, we really need these new battle worthy suits It's not for merchandise. No, I really don't though. What does it mean? Don't What do they do adjustable? They don't do anything if except one of them has a super scarf No Yeah, well, but I mean it's just for merchandise And remember also the the whole bilingual thing like they they have shit They need to be doing we don't need to be dancing and singing and doing all that stuff We've got like to oh, yeah, that's probably worth mentioning right they assume that war is on the way and they're like, let's sing Now here's something here's something to consider. This is jumping. Uh, well, we already we already covered the uh, so The the armada that the kree armada comes from harlot through a jump point that directly takes them to a ladner Uh, meanwhile, you know, these names are close to each Meanwhile, uh, you know the the marvels this little team they had to go through multiple jump points to get to a ladner Was there really any reason to think that they would make it before them? Really Well, it wasn't a shortcut. It took more jump points to get there. Well, yeah, but It was those jump points were much shorter. Oh, maybe free. Maybe they're still sucking the air out of the other planet Even though they had left they just and the and they came back to to finish the job or something. Um, there you go make sense Well, yeah, because we we have to accept that there was enough time for darth ben To leave tarnax go to holler and give her a speech and then get the armada ready to go You know, okay, whatever but but I mean the timing is still just as they get ready with their new battle worthy suits that look truly terrible I don't know how everybody else feels but these costumes are pretty bad. They are shit to your costumes Just put on just put on a t-shirt and jeans Which is kind of lame because I think uh, I think the captain marvels costume that you've been wearing up until that point And this movie is like kind of good. I think it's like a good one. Um, it's it's uh Whereas the no one's like really between the three of them you got tacky dull and over designed Which is impressive. Yeah Yeah, it's kind of They were just yeah, they don't they don't look very good. Um, but the the timing is so convenient because just as they are Just as as they have their conversation to explain to prince yan their plan That's when the armada shows up just there or perfect timing and basically this is their plan Their plan is to ambush darth ben When she like comes to meet with uh, prince yan, which is already a big assumption Like why would she do that? Why wouldn't she just take the resources? Yeah, I picked the wrong planet and they were waiting and setting it They're a lob system by the way is just singing afraid. Yes. Yes. That's right. They sing and they're just like, oh It's so stupid It really is reminds me of the fucking black panther water drums to it's like, what the fuck There are times where I want to see alien cultures that are very different from ours But usually when it's pragmatic and war related. I want to see some fucking pragmatism. I don't want to see We gotta see man. We got an actual lives at stake. We got a yeah, we can't be flowery and no thing battle command No, we don't fucking get shit done Mm-hmm But no, that's you know This is something that's also said carol says they want to keep their you know unintentional switching to a minimum And and that and that the plan is going to be that carol and monica I'm going to try and get the bangle off of dothben and I guess kamal is just going to hang back sort of and Yeah, and yeah, I guess that's their plan which again relies on dothben going down to Like I guess vain diplomacy before stealing all of their resources and dooming them to death Um, but she does she actually does go down with her uh, three soldiers To uh to meet with them and and I find this particularly funny Um, she tells she tells prince yad to neil. He says no and she immediately tries to kill him with the hammer The negotiations were short monica jumps in the way and tanks the blast and absorbs it all just in time I guess that's something she can do also just just to give to paint everyone a little bit of a picture So, um, I fucking hate anything like militia related in uh in this world and kind of in star wars too Disney just can't do it. They they need to hire a consultant or just anyone who gives a shit. Um But the warriors of these two nations Did this isn't a science fiction race? This isn't like they don't have guns or anything It's just the king in front with his not armor and a bunch of people behind him and like Like like ball masks And they all have spears. Yeah, and then you have the bad guy and she's up front the leader with her hammer And then she has like two rows of people behind her and they have their spears and that's That's the that's that's it. That's the invasion Of they're gonna be fighting. No one has a gun. No one has armor They do the thing of like a bunch of people standing in a vague what looks like maybe formation And move apart when like the leader comes through and that's as far as they'll go at pretending these are militaries So like that looks kind of like one. Yeah, sure. Also, someone in chat just said the guy Is a hobby for these these science fiction these like entire cultures and civilizations like man nova corps had their shit together Yes, I did damn. Yeah, they like I could that was in guardians galaxy when it was good Someone said prince yann's act has spent two months filming this so they must have cut down the musical planet It's obvious that they cut it down dramatically because one of that feels What to spend two months working on a film? The part that would get me is if you cared and you put loads of work in and you know That's going to be lost to the animals of time. Let's go. I mean, I guess we Well, I mean, I guess it's uh The same but not as pronounced as like the fucking water brothers movies like the new one the the the wily coyote movie That's now just going to be locked up forever. It's like damn man Everything is god and nobody gets to see it. It's got to suck I don't know because if you know, it's going to be awful. You wouldn't want it to be out anyway Uh, I mean that one wasn't because of that though, right? No, it was it was just again the the whole write-off thing apparently it got uh, it got it got tested really well It tested very positively. Yeah, so I'm guessing I just thought it wouldn't make money for whatever reason but I don't know. I kind of like the idea of a wily coyote movie. He's like He's one of my favorite Looney Tunes characters. So he's great. Oh well The the fight happens and yeah, basically the only reason they came down is so that there were people on the grounds of Fight because there's no reason to because the kree have air superiority as far as I can tell It's like they have which means they win basically Really gnarly a a that you show to us. Um, yeah, you're gonna not uh Any or not I like synonymous Unless you don't have that and really show it. I'm like, oh shit. Yeah, they've got the this air power this air force I'm gonna fuck you up It's just it's just bizarre. What the fuck is duff been doing? Like you just go to the other side of the planet and drop open the portal up in the ocean in the ocean Yeah, what why why with the pretense? You're gonna kill them all anyway by destroying this planet Like why not just take it? Yeah, without without anybody knowing or go to a planet that has no people on it I just love the idea. It's like submit to me. Let me steal your ocean and then I'll be going to chill. It's like I know I know it's just she's a clown character because of course, you know motivation is she's trying to target all the places that Which is which is funny that she surprised that carol would try to intervene in her plans when she can With ease defeat her at any moment. We do discover that's the case It's only at the end that they allow captain marvel to defeat her in a fight Of course, but um, yeah, but well, yeah, because in this fight you have a to be like carol and monica to be won her and lose Yeah She slams the gravity hammer down and blasts him away and it's like dude carol Nearly beat Thanos when he had all six infinity stars. Don't remind me But but but this is the universal hammer That's true and the quantum band and this is duff ben. Yeah ronan didn't know what he was holding man This is darth ben with the quantum band and the universe and the universal weapon So really, you know, it's no contest. Oh, and this part this part's really weird So prince yad tells kamala to use her scarf as a weapon And then she dispatches of several enemies with the scarf This is one of this happens all the time in these movies where we say this to chat And i'm like, I know how it sounds. Maybe you're only half listening from over there Someone's listening to this while crossing the street or just sitting in a chair. Yeah, this is one of those ones where it's like You have to go like really slowly because it's just so hard to believe So prince yan tells kamala to use the scarf That's with her costume And she grabs it and she starts swinging it around and dispatching of several kree soldiers with the scarf Yeah And it's not like a simple thing. She doesn't use it as a mace or she does it first She doesn't get up behind him and like Yeah, she wraps around someone's head and forcefully pulls him off balance as if she's got super strength Because she's like at least a foot shorter than him. And it's like it's we're not making fun of it by saying it's a scarf It's called a scar. It is a scarf. He says it's a scarf It's a long thin piece of cloth designed typically to wrap around one's neck to insulate It must be magic. It has to be magical. It has to be magic. Yeah Or like it's it's like the cape and dr. Strange. It just like wants to kill. That's why it's red Yeah, it wants wants to fucking kill. I'm honestly still Convinced there's something I missed because I just I just don't get I've ever seen it No, this is why I think I think that this is an instance This is what further baffles you because it's like well We need to find a reason for kamala not to use her powers for some time because We we we don't want to deliver her to Darth Ben just yet in terms of a plot revelation So how can we have her participate in the fight without using her powers? Oh magic scarf There we go problem. We got it sword Give her Helping civilians get to safety or you could have a spotting for captain marvel monica telling them where to go She has to punch and and jump around and then she just starts using her powers. Anyway Yeah, she does She just decides which by the way incredibly irresponsible and unethical You don't know if you're about to kill yourself or prevent captain marvel from saving someone Exactly, what if what if carol was like helping somebody was falling into the ocean and you switched and like why would you do this? No, it's to be fair This is jumping ahead a little bit because after dark ben uses her gravity hammer to shoot monica and carol away She like walks back to her ship. Yeah, must have taken a couple of minutes. Yeah, she's walking pretty slow She's a total moniker and just nowhere to be found and she's slowly walking back to her ship. Where are you? This is the worst plot device ever the switching back and forth It's so bad So bad It was a terrible idea. I don't know what though conceptually it sounds stupid Um, I don't see it as like an interesting pitch at all It just seems dumb and then of course the way that it's employed is incredibly stupid Well, I think they probably went from the end backwards So I think somebody thought about the fight scene at the end. I thought this would be really cool for a fight scene Would let's switch in all over the place while also all attacking You know what I think you might be right Maybe somebody did the pre-vis and they were like, yeah, can we like make the movie this it's like, uh, yeah sure We'll figure it out and then they didn't but now they're gonna lose. They never do Um, so this is by the way, this is when we really start to see them not listen to their own rules So like monica is flying over to Darth ben and begins fighting her by using her powers And while this is happening carol is flying around blowing up cruise ships. They should be switching, but they don't Oh Nope, and then they eventually oh, sorry Worth mentioning too the captain marvel should have won this in a minute at maximum Oh, of course. Yes in a minute. She she can fly at light speed. She's indestructible. It should have been over But they they swap Uh, like she's like, oh tag me in and then they swap in and then carol starts fighting dark ben And she's using her powers and then monica who would have been switched up into the sky where carol was Blies in and like kicks dark ben. They're both using their powers. They should be switching, but they don't again They keep freaking their own rules Yep, they do. Um, and then yeah, they keep fighting and then yeah Kamala decides to use her powers and gets She gets teleported onto the onto the ship and this is when Darth ben sees that uh, Kamala's got the bangle. It's like, oh, no Oh, no, this is really bad. Um, and then and then and then yeah, like Kamala runs away onto her little like platforms And then it switches again because carol is flying It should have switched instantly but it switches a little bit later And then carol flies in and it tags perfectly. It doesn't it doesn't reorient it to where You know, it looks like Kamala would be flying and then I guess plummeting again to her death Shouldn't she be she she should be plummeting to her death, right? She would have been teleported into space As far as I know, yes, she should be Wow Never kids she's a no she's okay. There's no acknowledgement It's not even like she does it by accident which like I can I can forgive Them like using the powers just out of instinct like oh shit, you know and then they use it And but then there's that acknowledgement and then they have to go like we got to go find kamala or where was I where was I Like that that's seen that's a scene they never had that they that you think they do Where they switch and they need to get there and it's like oh shit Where am I from here and she has to find out where she is and then how to get there But maybe in the city you could have done that where they they swap and like oh shit I was in the I was at the The town rec center and I need to go to the bowling alley And where was like that and she has to ask for directions or something She tackles doth ben and she doesn't at all think wherever I just was that kid is there now Oh well Hopefully she's okay And she by the way that's the other thing she seems so ready as though she is being tagged in by miss marvel That wasn't a planned one that wasn't no it wasn't Because monica told her to get out of here And so she started creating the platforms and then carol tagged in and and like it wasn't tagged It was just that they were using but again if carl was flying around somewhere Then it should have instantly happened as soon as she created the first platform They should switch but it takes a little bit. There's a delay for some reason So it's funny how slow she's traveling as well when we know she has access to hyper speeds I'm not even saying like I understand not using light speed in combat necessarily, but why are you using like super slow speed? Yeah, why is she going so slow? She can travel real fast, but no Like because what happens if carol flies into doth ben at light speed Doth ben's dead Well, there's moments where doth ben is avoiding her attacks by like doing normal avoiding You know what I mean? Like she goes to punch her and she moves Like you can't dodge someone who moves faster than you can react. We can travel at light speed But no she because when when she tack was her like carol grabs the bangle and and and doth ben's like I'm absorbing your powers and then she blasts carol away Um, and then she creates a new jump point to steal all the water. It's like good job guys This should have been an easy KO Game over you win mission accomplished good work But uh, no No, no I lose inexplicably. The power levels are so out of action Yeah, I just Yeah, there's the we've gotten this before a lot. It happens mostly during combat. Um, you just have no idea You can't imagine what's going to happen. Everything is to the whim of the rider the whim of the plot what needs to happen What you actually see doesn't matter, you know, it's like the the plot armor or stormtroopers not be able to shoot or Military showing up. Like I have no idea what this means because it's not going to be logical Which is much me wonder why am I watching it at all? Just tell me how it ends We're difficult to have stakes when anything can happen Pretty much. Yeah, like this is the most stateless movie ever And also when you're lame and you're overpowered as Oh, yeah, like the cap the problem. It's one of the problems of riding captain marvel is she's too She's not too strong, but she is so strong that it makes it basically has no limits Nope Because even superman is vulnerable to kryptonite That's the that's the comparison everyone makes but like I was about to say but he has character There's no acknowledgement the film doesn't even know who she is Like it doesn't seem to acknowledge anything about who she actually is because a lot of people would say that she's Blank, which I think is certainly has of this movie. We've got plenty of Sort of patterns we can derive Devise a character out of her, I guess, but it's just like there's there's So little, um, I don't know to care about I guess because She's kind of like we said about the assassination. She's kind of a monster I mean, she's a she is responsible for like uncountable lives. It's it's but like she's not aware Nobody else is aware, so No one cares Except off then And then he holds back his power because he doesn't want to kill the person and so If he gets beaten up a lot at the start of fights because he's holding back because he doesn't know what you can take And then over time he'd be like, okay I can I can release myself a bit more until I eventually beat you whereas because she doesn't care about killing them She should just like splat everything the first time Yep There's really no reason to hold back with dark ben her plans entail the deaths of Many many many people Yeah, I mean She doesn't hold back on random Cree soldiers But like the actual person orchestrating one of the another Annoying tropes in these mcu films is when they kill all of the goons But then let the villain live when the villain was the one who was ultimately and principally responsible For all of the bad stuff that's happening I just I don't get it And I mean and again to reiterate in terms of the power levels quantum band does not make you stronger That's something that's like at the very least in terms of like Kamala's She has one of them and she has her light powers and she it's explicitly said in that show no super strength So she doesn't have super strength She's a regular Cree lady and apparently is able to take on captain marvel who nearly beat Thanos with all six infinity stones um Yeah, okay, uh and then um As this is happening because of this new jump point There's like a big old pulse in the earth jump point that disables the sabre space elevator and half of its escape pods So very rapidly Very rapidly the situation on this space station has deteriorated to the point of impending catastrophe Why don't they have enough skate escape pods for the people? That sounds like a really bad idea I don't buy this why wouldn't they have ships that are on earth look at help them No, no the only people who work for sword are the people on the Remember the shipping captain marvel where they just leave the hangar in the 90s and go up to space Don't earth now have a bazillion of those They're probably why not contact wong or dr. Strange with them. Oh my god Portals because they have portal technology Well the thing is you don't even need to call because the the the um the The kamatage has a bunch of you know trainee. You can send one of them. They have some Idiot janitor over there that probably could save the ball with a portal America They're on so much trouble, right? Ridiculous at this point that doesn't mean the world is completely unraveled We're not up to the cats yet though. We still got we still got drama back on a ladner Because uh kamal and monica get back on the ship And uh and and then they they start flying off and monica nearly crashes the ship into the ocean because she doesn't know how to fly And while this is happening cows are casually destroying all of these crease ships. She just keeps flying through them She's into how did she loot can dart the bend fly through a ship and survive that I don't know like when we were watching uh when moller and I were watching this in the theater together Um, I had said if she wants to kill him She can just destroy the ship. She can just fly through the spaceship and blow it up We've seen her do countless times in both this film and other films. So just don't get Yeah, there's no reason to have a confrontation of any sort Fly through the ship like he did thanos's battleship and all the other cre worships just do that and be done with it Why does she fly into the you know, I'm getting ahead of oh captain my captain. That's possibly the most cringe Oh Yeah Basically, uh Kamala looks out the window and sees carol killing all of these people and yeah, she says oh captain my captain. Um, That is horrible So embarrassing Uh, it's just like, okay. Yep. Yeah captain marvel. She's so cool. She was with the avengers remember that trailer Tony They showed the they showed the avengers some of them and then they showed her So that doesn't that illustrate that's it. What kamala actually like why she found her inspiring is just because she's powerful and can kill people I mean, yeah, it's a little bit awkward, right? Yeah, what hero work have you done? This is I don't mean to be like sappy or even soy but imagine she had said that in response to captain marvel like Negotiating some kind of you know treaty or taking care of one little girl who didn't quite make it to like the ship She goes out and gets it and that's what when she uses a word like that or Appreciation like that instead of blowing up several ships with soldiers at it. This is like, yeah, I guess You know, that's the thing to think about considering that in a lot of ways Now I can't really speak for the comics, but that's the way she's presented in this film I mean one of the one of the like general rules for like a lot of the the writing for marvel characters The stan leis talked about is the idea of like, you know, they're just regular people and in these extraordinary Circumstances and they got like normal relatable kind of problems And that like a lot of what it means to identify with them is to identify with their flaws Meanwhile, fucking carol is basically she's indestructible. She's super different power for it to be perfect morally and physically And it's just like, oh, yeah, no, she's so cool, but she's pretty esothetical. Oh my god I was just thinking about like, um Imagine captain Kamala had said it when Captain Marvel had a chance to like take her revenge on this Evil villain or save like a group of people who were stuck in something and that was thinking like, oh, you'd be like walker in Falcon the Winter Soldier Chad Walker, yeah, he dropped the shield to save the people. Oh my god Holly Morgan now jumped on him to stop him from saving them Oh John Walker They even play some hero. What are the last heroes of the MCU John Walker? But uh, yeah, unfortunately where our captain my captain but not said for captain america john walker No, it's for captain marvel Oh Wow But yeah, so she she gets into the ship I guess to help them fly it around because they don't know how to do it And um, they're being pursued by several cruise ships and I don't know what they're going for with this beat But like Carol's like, oh, I can lose him. We can't leave. You know, we can't leave and and Monica's like, well No, we got it. We got to get the jump point We got a spawn a jump point here in atmosphere because I guess you can do that to get out of here Uh, and then a bunch of missiles get launched Because the bad guys have been doing it. No, but they've been doing it Yeah, not only is it unstable, but they're doing it with the band is miss marvel has to press a bunch of buttons to open it Exactly, which doesn't that's that's unprecedented. We've never seen that. They've made it clear Jump points are located in places. You can't make your own True, it was it was they had to fly through a quantum asteroid field to get to the jump point Which they they couldn't just spawn a jump point in front of the ship. They had to fly there But they just spawn one. Yeah, they made that up Oh, yeah, that's made up But yes, they they spawn that and then they get spawned into like a wheat field on I guess some other planet Just to slow it down, right your captain marvel your motive is I gotta protect this this planet's important to me very important to me And failing here is like failing harla And she's very personally emotionally and everything invested in being here and fighting back the the kree is like, okay however miss marvel and uh Monica have both decided we have to get out of here because if she gets her hands on that bangle for miss marvel We're doomed like she's gonna where you're going with this Maybe I don't know. I'm sort of thinking out loud while I'm explaining this because I You know, it's the people have asked us before how do you do this? It's like find out what everyone's motivated for It's like, okay, so miss marvel overrules Captain marvel's choice and activates the jump point in front of them And so they're going through it's like Captain marvel cannot avoid traveling through there. She can go back But she can also get out of the ship herself and go back Yep, just just leave it's like, okay. You two leave. I'll stay Yeah, there's there's really nothing and to be honest with you That sounds like the thing that she would want you guys get out of here. Don't use your powers I will take care of this Yes, because I can do it all by myself. I don't need team teamwork does not make you know what that's true Yeah, she doesn't need you guys you guys will make it worse if you keep switching with it So really teamwork isn't good. Teamwork is bad Literally in this movie. It's just an inconvenience for her. Yeah, she's more powerful than these two combined So switching back and forth is just standing in her way basically if she wanted to help anybody really Yeah, you know what it's kind of the fucking anti avengers. We're in avengers 2012 them teaming up is the reason they win Yeah, in this case never teaming off is the reason why they lose It's so fucking lame. You can't write stop One of the challenges that they have is that all of the characters in the avengers have unique skill sets that aren't replicated by other characters Um, like I what yep. Yeah. No finish it. No, no, no go for it I mean imagine if someone switched with tony mid snap It just like it teleports fucking dead into the suit Oh my goodness, no, I kind of thought about this when we were watching the movie I didn't say anything because my brain was fried, but I was like, man Oh, wait, it's a good thing that this the the whole yeah the spacey transition and just the whole mechanics of it Not just the magic bed getting transferred I am dead Um But now now we're in the wheat field and this is this is our big dramatic second act low point where the characters are going to resolve their Problems and really kamala is like very much a third wheel in this situation She's just sort of standing off to the side while carola monica and their grievances And so carol explains supreme intelligence ruled the crea for a millennia The supreme intelligence, you know led them into the war with the scrolls and carol thought the only way to stop it Was to destroy it, but all it did was make everything worse Because she's a dumb fuck because she's talking to the idiot Oh, she believes herself responsible for causing the cruise civil war It's how she got the name the annihilator and carol never wanted monica to see that version of herself She thought she could only come home after she fixed the problem And this is why she never came back to earth and that's fucking crap It's also a lie. Oh shit. And it's not true. So it's but isn't that incredible? It's like, ah, see that's why she wasn't there for 30 years. You guys were wondering Like you were wondering with the eternals why they didn't do anything about thanos. See we got a good explanation ourselves Um, she didn't want to be perceived badly by her uh, adopted niece That's why she didn't come back to earth. You know that when she was in tony's funeral, uh, fury was like You're gonna go see monica and she was like Nah I don't want to be perceived badly by you. Yeah, I don't you because obviously monica would know about that thing that I did in a different galaxy Like what what I don't uh, it's absolutely baffling and I want to have just a slight Sliver of sympathy that I think the writer of this was saddled with solving that problem. I don't think they made it up Uh, I think that this was generated across the other marvel projects where captain marvel had abandoned monica And you have to make a reason for that it's like But why it reminds me of like why did why did black widow never acknowledge or do anything with her family? And it's like well Why have you made me solve that problem? What the fuck? Why have you made this the case? It's the same with the scrolls right the carol abandoned the scrolls and that's now just a problem that gets inherited At the same time while I don't think that there were really any good explanations for our absence. This is a really bad one Yeah, um Well, it was yeah, like the earlier explanation. I was gonna lie make a better one A better one was um, I was too busy, you know At least it was well, I I just had this You know when you were there like I had to stop civil wars and Incursions or excursions and attacks and whatnot and thanus's army remnants Like if you were there you would understand, you know, if you had to see the suffering But I had to stop it And the point is that's still not good enough for her not being there for like ultron or thanus or anything like well Yeah, the thanus infinity war But it's it's something you start to pick at it in terms of like trying to redraft and you're like, okay If she was to say to him be brutally honest I kind of I don't think you can say she forgot about it because it wouldn't really make a hundred percent sense But if she did say like you just You know, you get the the back and forth that's simple at first like I was busy or I was doing this or I was fighting that And it's like, oh, this is this solving this problem getting it And then she can throw back at her like our busy singing and dancing and getting married busy And quote another thing she knows from this adventure And then her just, you know, captain malby and like you're not my world You're not everything to me. You don't matter like That much and then in the background you can have, you know, miss marvel who captain marvel is her world She's inspired entirely by her like almost exclusively She can just be like seeing this unfold and be like, oh, shit And then monikin could be like my mom was my world and you left her you left me like you You're the like the reason you're even where you are the you've always like, you know, it's to do with our family and it's like You can't say we don't even like you're not human anymore Like that sort of argument that goes back and forth and back and forth and this was the time in the timeline Where the conversation ends badly that's what's supposed to happen So stories go it's supposed to end badly. This is not a this is not a satisfactory answer Like you like you're just shit like because sometimes the the terminus of a conversation is just confirmation that the other person is shit But instead the the conflict is resolved in about 10 seconds. You Monica said You have an end with captain marvel saying I don't need you to Like you both fucking suck. Don't use your don't use your powers. Let me solve this. Fuck you basically and she leaves That's how that seems supposed to end And then you have like, you know, fury is probably the one to do it right to give monica like what she needs And then to also give captain marvel what she or someone else, you know, whatever It's just and then you they team back up and then the third act happens. Let's see. What happens at avengers? What happens here when monica is just like, uh, you know, you think I cat about that I just wanted to see my aunt not captain marvel and then and then that's it. They're resolved When when Brie losses starts to smile. I was like, no, seriously you resolved it Really? You've resolved it. You you've only brought it up like twice and now it's resolved This is not how you it's ridiculous It's happens so fucking because people would be like, yeah stories happen faster than real people. It's like not in seconds It's so like you're at your second act low point This is when if you want to go like the most conventional way you play it But they do break up and they don't like it's second act. It's like a second act stumble But you don't fall from it. It's like shrek, right? You know when when the team splits apart, uh, the second act low point off Yeah, we get a rufus rainwright song and everyone's so sad and what's gonna happen next by the way a blueprint for good stories It is a blueprint for good stories That's like a normal second act low point of Things go badly and they're split up and then at the climax they come back together. Whereas here. It's like, oh, you know I I felt bad. No, I didn't even care about that. I just wanted to see you Well, I'm you know, I'm glad you're here now the end of the drama the end of the conflict right then and there Yeah, and they're like more unified than ever when we have no reason to think that would be the case it sucks You know, um There's been a lot of appreciation for a particular scene in avengers 2012 has been sharing around on twitter recently It was kind of strange. I was uh, I've been sending something to fringy being like, oh, what's going on here? Exactly. A lot of people have been talking about the scene and thinking about it beginning to remember It's um, maybe it makes sense because it's that that the scene i'm talking about is with all the avengers break apart Uh, gradually and you have A heavy extreme amount of reasons and layers for why all of them kind of distrust and hate each other A lot of it based on their own perception rather than what actually happens Which has benefited from us all getting their own movies so that we know why things happen But we understand why other people might see it differently Of course, um You know just stuff like cap thinking the iron man only does everything he does to have money in fame Hulk not trusting anybody because he's been brought in to be released nobody really respects him as a scientist sort of thing And then uh, all of them being on edge with hulk because they don't know when he's gonna pop off including like, you know And uh, and we'll be unbuttoning the uh the safety on some of their guns like during the scene and then Thor because he's affected by the spear letting out part of uh his prior You know experiences and for one being yeah, just being like you're all so fucking small like or petty All this stuff is going on And the camera's like spinning around we're dealing with a little bit and then you know everything falls apart They try to work together But they're bound back by the fact that colson dies and loki's trying to prove that they're all pathetic and a shitty team And then a lot of them prove what they were saying about you know The opposite of the criticisms that were given in that scene there's loads of stuff that's like Written in there and and it's supposed to be sad and drag you back down So then they push you all the way back up they even have it in the third act fight We have the second act of the fight low point Where all the characters are losing It's um the hires and the lows are a part of the storytelling equation. They define each other Whereas here the lows are like it's like a dip in the road It's not like a valley, you know of like the mountains You know soaring to the mountaintops into the deepest like trench and valley It's just like oh it's like a little bump in the road And then as soon as it's as soon as you notice that it's gone. It's done We're back to everything being totally fine and normal everybody's sure with each other sure They had problems, but they resolved them pretty swiftly and remember this is like the third scene that actually deals with This as a conflict for these characters and we're done I can't believe it. I I kind of can't fathom how shallow and thin that the character writing isn't this checklist Like well, we talked about it like we kind of addressed it. So that's it's done. It's finished Do you see this across really all the disney stuff? Whether it's star wars and Dude, I feel like Multiverse of madness is absolutely fucking awful in terms of its character work But it's bigger problem was that I had too many threads for like the characters in terms of arcs of the thought That were going on. Yeah, like I don't know man. Even with that said it felt like There's a greater quantity of character there. It's more it's perhaps more contradictory But there's a greater quantity here. It's just like it's nothing It's nothing. It's so it's so little. It's so limited and lacking Well, someone said no, they were just paranoid from the staffs like no, that's what's so good about the scene The staff just accentuates all the thoughts they're having about each other anyway These are all still true thoughts that they're having Like none of them trust shield at that point because they've been revealed to have been using the uh the tesseract Chapp doesn't like tony thinks that he's arrogant. Um, he does believe that he wouldn't make the sacrifice play And then we know that tony is jealous of steve from the relationship he had with his father Exactly and first is absolutely upset about being uh there Yeah, he's makes that explicit from the moment we met him that he's like you're gonna drag me from he says in the scene It's like I was happy. I was peaceful and you fucking ruined everything Yep, it's a great scene Meanwhile, yeah, like it's like this like the the the the the conflict I was ready for it to be critical of how they executed it. It didn't even happen Okay, there was no conflict. It was it's just like yep. No, we're all good. Yeah. All right. Anyway, moving on. We still got plot to do Woohoo I'd like you have to remember it from disney's perspective and from the writing perspective The they don't this movie wasn't created purely for entertainment. There's a whole like Set of ideas within disney of how this stuff can be written So they they're kind of handcuffed in the stories they can do and If you see these people as like literally meant to represent people in real life There comes a limit on how Offensive to the audience you can be because the people that like this stuff now see themselves as those characters So you can't really have a hero become evil Because you're essentially calling an entire group of people evil What so it's like kind of like the the nature of like you're moderating you have to moderate the content down So even though you know, there needs to be conflict. It can't be too bad Yeah, like marv that brie larson said a lot about captain marvel that it was mainly for So young girls could see what they could turn into and then miss marvel is essentially the the Living personification of that So she's now the little girls watching captain marvel and now you're actually representing real life people with your characters So anything you do to those characters from their perception you are doing to the audience The easy way to get around that is to not narcissistic That's actually part of it. Don't have a big plot point be that she caused a civil war that ended millions of lives I was gonna say They do a very good job As far as they're concerned what she did was right like killing the machine was right It was their fault for the power imbalance that did it and she's just upset that she couldn't convince them in the Somehow to be good guys Yeah, I think I think I yeah, I think and I think that that that perception is yeah But she restarted the star so any culpability is yeah. Yeah, I was about to say They do portray her with like a sense of guilt and failure over that It's like, yeah, but I actually think they probably think she's in the clear after restarting the star So so all the people who are dead. It's kind of like the same problem with endgame. Yeah, she brought everybody back Never mind The nations that were destroyed so good. You brought them back. Their ashes can be bathed in sunlight now. So there you go Hmm. Okay. Well, yeah Yeah, there you go This movie bad. Oh So now now this is when they realize. Oh, that's how she's targeting all the places I call home because this is all you've got for Motivation for uh Darth Vader She wants to save the Cree She's incredibly indifferent to the suffering that it causes and she really hates Carol. Yeah, that's that's her That's all she has Um, and so now they realize they're gonna go back to earth to warn Nick fury about what's going on and then we cut back And we see that another blast of energy Has um has emanated from the jump point and only 15 to scale Pods on Saber are functional. So not everybody on board can fit Um, and if you're is like well start loading as many as you can and then I guess we'll figure it out from there Which is not a great plan. I guess You know the space elevator there was like I want to say I don't know 30 chairs in there Yeah, can we can we just at least immediately start loading that Yeah It's disabled by the pulse Yeah, the pulse is disabled the space elevator and half of the shuttles the escape So why hasn't it done anything to their like systems? Oh what has it's one of those it's one of those on flimpy flim No, but like everything's working and Monica's like using the computer and shit That's true, but there's a little bit of flim there's a little flim all right. That's true. Yeah Gee whiz I guess they're real lucky it didn't wipe out their systems entirely, huh? Well, they're lucky to wipe out the life support systems Could you imagine if they came back and got on board and everybody was just dead? Yeah Yeah And like the flurkins got desperate and so they just start swallowing the space station Yep, but whoa. Well, so now we're here now. We're finally there Curie, he opens up like a chamber To get like a fire extinguisher and he sees goose She's inside and there's a bunch of alien eggs that begins to hatch And then you've got the little baby flurkin cat aliens Oh, it's so cute There's a lot There's at least a dozen of them At least a dozen no more Sorry dozens there might be a hundred Like there are so many of these alien cats Dozens hundreds And so now you know the marvels are back on and basically Fury tells Carol that his plan is to have the flurkins Eat all of the saber personnel Heard the cats onto an escape pod and then release everybody down on earth Hearding cats is literally what they have to do They make the joke but then they successfully do it when it's impossible To just lay out the coincidences just for total clarity If goose weren't brought aboard Saber but had instead remained on Carol's ship Hundreds die If goose wasn't pregnant hundreds die If goose only had one baby cat hundreds die If the eggs hatched an hour later hundreds die So you're saying they were a little bit lucky It's literally hatch in his hand Like as he picks one up and it just hatches So he opens the container and then it hatches It's like right when he needs to find out they start hatching Yeah so you stack all that on top and it's like alright So that's just a good old break in continuity and logic right there That's too many coincidences This is one of the things I think was severely cut I reckon the space station had a lot more plot on it Because this comes out of nowhere I think you're right We get like maybe 30 seconds of total screen time Like dedicated to this establishing this as a plot point And then it happens I can totally believe a lot of stuff was cut here So for clarity it isn't the eggs that's causing the space station to No it's the pulses No no no it's the pulses from the jump point network being flumed Oh okay so this is even worse than I thought Because I thought oh the alien egg Oh look the bad guy left something behind Why is it hatching into a cow Yeah it's a lot Yeah and then we get to the part that we've already talked about At length of the alien cats running around eating everybody's wall I mean it's so like Where do you even begin? It's the most this is the MCU welcome This is what it's become We had Avengers and we had Guardians of the Galaxy And you know Iron Man 1 Civil War Civil War Man All I want to do is re-edit that entire scene With horror music And then it'd just be like oh the flurkins don't actually have a portal We've made a horrible mistake No you still did It's like we said imagine if one of them buffed off a skeleton And it's just like oh shit Whoops So the question of course is they do have to eat At some point right they don't just Because there's people in the chat being like wait How do people get in there it's like we have to kind of ignore that We have to just be like TARDIS logic Fantasy I think what that says in Captain Marvel You know buffed up the Tesseract it's like Yeah but it didn't buff up the Kree soldiers at eight The Tesseract is like indestructible I wouldn't expect to be able to digest the Tesseract Yeah how can it metabol But yeah we just have to assume that I guess the Flurkins are like some Lovecraftian monsters That teleport them to like some different dimension Where they hang out and then get buffed up eventually What if it's the nor dimension And like Miss Marvel is Pulling the energy from these people What extracting their life force To create these constructs She doesn't know where her power is coming from It could be horrific She's never been to the nor dimension maybe it's filled with Flurkins that Flurkin bellies Like the universe that comprises Where it sends them These people some of them are like screaming and being trapped By Miss Marvel with her powers I want to be the person that just Fucking jumps on her and be like Yeah eat me now Like you're the one who's been trying to Like torture everybody And then she'd be like no just like Yeah how does it fucking feel Cause this is the thing There's no consent I know it sounds a little Silly right now but like it's just That a lot of characters get to continue Planning things and being the ones That'll go on the functioning Yeah Even though they're not the same person Any of the equipment They're asking you to be eaten by a newborn Lovecraftian creature in the hopes they can save your life When you could be like I'd rather just take my chances I'm not interested in this I don't know what this is But you don't get a choice Yeah they're screaming and And it's meant to be funny obviously of like Oh look they're screaming But the thing is like they want it to be like Oh it's the juxtaposition of them being cute cats It's like yeah but they're not though They're like crazy Like spiders Yeah it's like cold and it's like Like already lefty and monsters So like there was a fundamental disconnect Of like yeah you can say they look like cats But they're not and I'll just be like Yeah but that's what we're going for It's like I don't know what you were going for But it didn't work From a no character From her perspective she's just like Letting kittens swallow up people But where does she get the Guarantee from The the Kree that got barfed up and she's like, yeah, well, there's no difference between them being a baby Flurken versus a fully adult, you know flurken. There's no difference, you know Well, that's the thing right seeing them barf of anything does not confirm safety. It just confirms that I got barfed up That's all what if the Kree guy gets barfed up and he gets and it's like oh you have cancer, you know We covered in the digestive juices of a fucking alien creature like who knows what that fucking does to you It's insane like it actually was some crazy illness or something Yeah, yeah, like that you're getting all these people and getting them and I guess it's like oh, yeah But would you rather die? It's like I don't know maybe and maybe yeah, I have no idea Like what if it like what if it's like a sarlacc pit in there? Well, yeah, there's someone said like what would you rather fall and be killed by the thing that the sarlacc the rank or Or like drown. I'd be like fuck me problem. I guess the thing is the least likely one We're talking about Lovecraft what happens when you get swallowed you get bombarded in your brain with things that destroy your conception of reality Yeah, when they get buffed up They're all like floopy and then your boss is just like don't worry. I've decided this is what's best for you I'm just like are you gonna get eaten? Nah, I'm the boss I'm too good for that. That's why this is so funny Because they had Miss Marvel who's that like the happy-go-lucky character and she's walling people off She's yeah pointing up people. She takes the most glee in all of this. Yeah, and she comes across like a serial killer This is why you shouldn't take 16 year old on these types of missions They don't they don't have fucking brain capacity to Decide this. Yeah You're about to do trailer you remember the what makes her a her oh if they had that trailer and it cuts like Captain Marvel grating all these cats and getting them eating people with the screaming What I'm wondering about is like how do they manage to catch all these little kittens You know if there anything like real cats, they're not gonna do what you say I mean right after this I went home, and I was trying to catch my own cat and I hid She was running away, and I hit the my head on the table. I I'm pretty sure I have a concussion even now I have never been the same sense, but still I There's so many kittens Yeah, it's like I think it might actually be a hundred like it's it's doesn't very laced and yeah, you can Yep. Yeah Right after it. Oh It's weird weird coincidence Yeah, and they're using the world's smallest cat toys to herd them as well like that a kitten might go after it for a little bit But you're gonna want to get like the big boys stuff out if you want to I get like a hundred kittens to chase it like Oh They could have seen more horrific by night Well, we've got to lure the cats into the pods So why don't we stuff it full of food and they're just like shoving the people into the pods to get the cats to eat them All the people are terrified inside the pods because we think they're gonna escape and then they just get eaten Oh, yeah, use a laser pointer. Why didn't they use a laser pointer that's a good point. Oh Yeah, maybe maybe like you can get monitored to do that with her little laser powers That'll be a meme to do. Yeah, that would be like flying overhead and just directing a laser like and they're not listening or whatever That's okay, but hey, there's only like 20 minutes left of film. Yeah, we're getting real close. Yeah, that's right Every second that goes by is a second closer Yeah, I got it. Oh, yeah So so this is about the point in the theater because my alarm went off at because I have a long an alarm that goes off at 10 and I saw a late night showing and I was like, oh 10 wait I this is meant to end at like 10 20 But this feels like we're only like at the second wait the film's about to end and so and suddenly I was like wait We are firmly in the third act. What the hell happened. This was the point where I was like it did we Did they hit the skip button? Am I if I'm missing something what is what's going on? We feel like we've got about four other we've got like another hours worth of film to get through before We're supposed to be here A bit of a pacing problem here. Yeah Way too quick because now we're at the point. Yep And the fact that we get over emotional beats like the important emotional beats so fast. It just makes it even more like Just feels unfinished. It just feels incomplete Well, yeah, because there's there's a Kamala like says goodbye to our family and it's kind of like a heartfelt moment where a mom's like You know, you were chosen for a greater purpose. So you have to go but I'll never let you go Do you understand that and it's like, oh, yeah, it's kind of alright But it's only like 20 seconds long because I gotta get moving and you still got plot to do, you know You gotta get going and So because at this point Darben, sorry Darth I keep fucking up Darth Ben Opens up a jump point next to the Sun which immediately begins consuming its mass Which as was mentioned earlier, this means that the gravitational pull of the jump point has to be considerably greater than this than the Sun Everything on your side is gonna get Yeah, but that but I guess that's what's happening It's so you know now fury as this is all happening It's like do you think it's a good idea to you know take that second bangle to Darth Ben and Kamala says we need both of them to close it Which is like do you do you use one to open it? But I guess maybe you need to you'd use one Of course, this is funny because she doesn't use the tutor to close it at the end of the movie Wait, so how does how does Darth Ben close them? She uses so I don't know that she does close them I think she just leaves them there into perpetuity or just open forever now seemingly There's not much said on that part They're not good do they even have a throw a light like oh we went back and closed all the other ones or something I mean, I don't even know but if she closed them then that would fix the problem of the instability of the jump point system Right, so they have to stay open man That seems like a big problem of having a giant hole over your own planet right next to the planet whose Plundered picture being the the Kree on Hala. It's like the portal that give us the air is still just open They're still screaming and scroll bodies splatting into the like your world Then there's another portal over the other side with a big waterfall coming out of it You're like, I guess that's good. We're getting we're getting a war and then she's like don't you worry I'm about to open one that's gonna bring through a sudden you'd be like. Oh god Man um what a hero You know that if she if she if she enacted this plan a little bit earlier Then the Eternals and the celestials might have had something to say about it taking away the the star You know where is dr. Strange where is dr. Strange whereas everybody Um, I just find it funny that she doesn't even use the bangles to close the jump point at the end of the movie Like she doesn't use them to do that. She's them for something else So I don't know. I just find that amusing. Yeah But then as was pointed out in terms of the gravity Fury ship actually as they're leaving him and the Kamala's family and all of the cats It does get dragged to the jump point But then a pulse just happens to go off riders are about to get sucked through and it blasts them down to earth And just it's a crash landing. There's no call from fury to captain Malbin like whoa help us help us We're getting sucked in there's nothing. He's just like it. You know the vibe. It's the vibe of those family Travelling movies where they're in a big truck with all of their luggage and like several kids and some of the aunties and uncles and the Cameras slotted so that you know, everyone's all over and the drivers just getting annoyed, you know, like are we there? Yeah Yeah, what's going on? He's like, oh geez come on ever. Yeah, that's that's the vibe And it's fury is the dad on his fun little family vacation. It's like how is that what's happening when you're all about to die How and all your stuff that are in the flurkins, you know, this is hundreds of lives at stake and it's just kind of a fun goofy meme But fortunately a pulse save them just a pulse that come good. It's a good pulse. Yeah It's one of those good ones And then they crash land and they crash land in New York because the only city that exists New York right up up New York. That's where they land right in New York Center Some random place in Brooklyn. It's like they land in battery park or something. Yeah, they like fly right past the statue I was about to say yeah, they may as well have just landed on the Statue of Liberty. Fuck it What they renovating that thing by the way, or did they oh, yeah, the Captain America one? I guess they changed their mind on that for some reason with that poor Statue Yeah, they crash land and they were okay, and then and then the flurkins to start vomiting up the the Saber guys But this is this what I find really interesting and I don't know what they were thinking like fury looks up at the sky and the sun like Visibly dims. It's over. It's over. It's right in it's search and well that how Insanely powerful must that portal be so quickly through such a time like the scale of the planet Compared to the little opening is like it is and remember in testimal the sun is a million times the size of earth And then you've got this tiny little portal that's probably no bigger than like It's what the size of a dacia Sandero It's yeah at meanwhile. It's like absorbing enough of the mass of the Sun to make it visible It's all ready Jova it's over. It's but it's why did Yeah, you know, I'll say it and if someone's going after your son as in like our son Feel like that's a call to all Avengers of that point. That's kind of like a That's an Avengers level threat for sure There's people pointed out because fucking light speed isn't it that's eight minutes delay So if it's getting demo from earth, there's eight minutes of extra sun extraction. That's already Yeah, dude imagine the the Kree homeworld right now. They're just seeing like pieces of light just flumping in like what They're all just incinerating It's got there's a Sarah Connor and T2 which is that with that vision that's all the Man fucking hell I just find it funny Why would you show the Sun visibly dimming at that point you already done Close the portal. It's gonna get brighter But okay, and then yeah Carol flies up I Wow So yeah Carol flies on to Darth Ben ship and she says to Darth Ben that you know that you essentially What she's doing will entail the end of the Korean the end of the everything I guess presumably by destroying the jump point system to which Darth Ben says you took for me I'm simply returning the favor. What is that response to what she said mean you took from me So I'm gonna take from you Saying what you're gonna do is destroy the Kree and the universe anyway, so stop and it's like but I'm crazy and mad Yeah, she is just crazy So stupid and then Monica sneaks up on her punches her and then Kamala switches with her because I guess they sink that one They communicated time that one and then Monica phases through the floor and Yeah, now now we're ready for our big final showdown, which is pretty poorly choreographed again So I don't remember this point. You're just like you should have beaten her 10 times over. Why is this happening like this is dumb You like the money shot for the for this whole film with all three of them attacking her has Monica and Kamala using their powers at the exact same time and not switching. Yeah Well, you can't expect them to remember these things it's ridiculous I just find the power levels absurd. It's a three-on-one Captain Marvel alone instantly vaporizes Darth Ben, but all three of them together very few creatures and the Universe can even like put up a fight against her Thanos almost lost and he had all six infinite Thanos without a couple stones without the infinity stones can 1v3 cap iron man and Thor He beat he beat he beat Hulk Pretty easily. It was absolutely nuts in terms of power scaling though. She's now like Captain Marvel was just the top tier There's nothing I can stop it and then it's like well guy. Yeah. Yeah, but that you're ignoring that Because she's impervious to harm as well I guess that's more of a stalemate. I don't know I guess yeah, but what it's just so that she can match her I guess, but I just don't see how it's possible. She's just some Cree lady with a hammer and the bangle But doesn't give her strength And yet she does pretty well honestly But then this is where I guess real can this is where I guess real confusing like she gets blasted Hits the wall and debris falls on her and stabs her Captain Marvel wouldn't be stabbed by falling debris Well, she'd be killed by it for you How does captain referencing Yeah, that's right she did get no, but it's cuz one day sucked up the other power Yeah, she she did space suck and it got her Cosmos Yeah, like dark Ben's been stabbed which again Carol can't be stabbed with just like regular metal Because she like No, I thought it was the hammer. It's not the hammer. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I thought it was the hammer though first time I was the hammer. You'd be like, oh, well, okay Yes, it's special thing. I guess, you know, it's purpley. Oh And so this is this is where we get some real fucking stupidity, you know, just the case How many already? You know dark Ben is they're like, are you suck? You know, you're the annihilator. You're the worst It's your fault the stars dying I still don't understand what it means that it's her fault the stars dying But then you know how it was mentioned that whenever Monica just said something science. It's just true So this is this is what she says the reaction in your son's core has slowed It needs an incredible amount of energy to jump-start it and that's what you have Carol You can use your powers to save power What the it's so funny too because if if Carol had said would that with that kind of exchange kill me Monica Probably would have been like no, no Correct me if I'm wrong, but this the temperature of the core of the Sun is like a million degrees without exaggeration, right? It's about 10 million. It's a car. Wow. I was low ball again then yeah, it's a cartoony amount of degrees It's absurd. It's probably it's probably not real. They probably made it up. I don't believe them They they went too far this time. I don't believe and then of course When you move past when you move past. Yeah, so people are saying Oh, no, I'm sorry 20,000,000 sorry, which which is about 15 million degrees Celsius And and of course when you stack on top of that the Gravitational like pressure is the center of a star is sufficient to fuse hydrogen Like so so basically Monica comes to the conclusion that yes You Carol can tank 15 million degrees and the gravity at the center of a star and Supply it with sufficient energy to restart its fusion process starts that Yeah, this is like which which like if this is true if this is true because this hasn't happened yet If this is true Carol is like actually a destructible Yeah, I feel like she is more powerful the guy at that point, but guy has her power so So exactly in the universe could possibly Like stop the captain Marvel She could stop it if she can tank 15 million degrees Celsius and well you could just she can take a sun If she was to clash with the Sun she wins and at this point We still have established in the law that they're not they've stopped switching places because nothing has happened that would cause them to stop switching places At this point. No, no, so you would have to hope you just be like, okay, Monica Kamala. I'm fucking serious. Don't use your powers Unless you can tank a star You should not use your powers By the way, I was gonna say free imagine when they was sucking up the sucking first time to happen for the Sun Imagine fucking Icarus got sucked out of there That's an internals reference right there He just he goes whoa Like it's pulled out. He's like, whoa, what's going on? He ends up on fucking Hala like, okay I'm confused Mola you joke, but that might actually be what they do to get him back and like the next stuff if they They probably aren't going to but if they did they probably Use that Yeah, why not But um, so this plan gets floated and I get the impression as well that this was I get the impression that this was a reshoot I don't know. It feels like it wasn't leading to the idea of you can restart the Star you can I get the impression that it was actually going to be something different from this But whatever it's um, they basically agree to do this and it's like, oh, yeah for Hala Whoa, I'm gonna help you up Darth Ben and then she immediately Trace them grab and Kamala and I will use their powers and switch so that Darth Ben can Like basically trap Kamala and you're basically is like, oh you if you move on me Oh killer, which doesn't even mean anything because Captain Marvel can move at light speed. Yeah, and as they both use powers She's already out switch But I was gonna say as well just setting it up like when they defeat her she hits the wall lands and goes Like Peter Griffin style they all immediately switch from battle mode to It's just like what what the fuck's going on like what like the person boots eyes or something. Yeah They're even they even have these faces of like like I think Kamala is like almost shocked like oh, what have we done? It's like, I think you meant to feel kind of sorry for and it's like dude. She just tried to steal the Sun Motive was clear. She's just an asshole. That's it You know, I feel like oh, but Darth Ben's trying to save Hala. It's like no She's trying to kill earth that's she could just get some star that nobody lives around But no, she's specifically she's she just sucks. It's like, oh, you know, it's so sad you who decided to do all this Like I don't get the angle that makes Captain Marvel care more about Darth Ben than she did about the scrolls that she left on that Yes, a little bit. Yeah, and then of course, this is really awkward when this is all a ruse And she immediately tries to just threaten to kill Kamala and then it's like, oh, well, you know What I find so funny about this is like, oh, yeah I'll kill her before you can move and then she takes the bangle removes the hammer from Kamala's head We're like she was pinning her down with it And then it takes like a good like maybe like five ten seconds for her to put it on why didn't Carol stop her Like just lights being stopped her straight away. Do you wonder if it matches the things can happen a little bit later? Maybe she wanted this to happen. Hmm. Interesting. You gotta wonder about this Captain Marvel character Let's think it as well, you know, like She's so conflicted and angry and trying to do it with Darth Ben now But if someone could just be like so either you destroy our universe or you kill this little guilt Do you ever wonder if you're the bad guy? Sometimes maybe just What a great selection of characters on all ends By the way Captain Marvel does it and Darth Ben does it but In in Miss Marvel, I think it's like episode one Like oh damn it. I can't get the bangle on it won't just it just won't go Oh, it unclips and then you clip it on I see That's like a that's like a they made a deal out of that at Miss Marvel and then and then in this film They often just slide it on just slide it on Put your hand you put your hand, you know You clamp it together and then just put it on like that when it definitely was like you had to unlock it unlock it Yeah, the implication of course was that it was it was kind of mystical to some extent and whatever business like now, you know, okay Just kind of do it like this. It's all good. Which is I find this next thing It's just so weirdly edited cut together. It's like Darth Ben despite having already opened up a hole That was already extracting the mass of the Sun. She wants to use it again why because She wanted to make it maybe a bigger hole or something. Can you be sure she didn't just want to die? Well, cuz cuz yes as as was mentioned before the The trailers spoil it like Carol tack was a tries to stop her from you know doing the the Wakanda forever thing to make it activate and She fails and she activates it and then she was the I mean to be fair That's still a good reference, but it's more like the Wonder Woman thing, isn't it? Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, cuz it's the braces. Yes, it's Wonder Woman She Wonder Woman and then she explodes. She just dies Yeah, I think many audiences were confused with this like oh, no the villains got exactly what she wants She's doing so she's dead. It says specifically in the movie that The braces allow you to control more energy and that if you had to you could control more energy So doing it with one is what you would kill you. So she's like more of a buffer for energy not less Maybe she still doesn't have enough and it just like That is a good point because it's the implication of the the jump points in the way it's working is that her way is like a makeshift Workaround that's unstable and that the two of them together is the way that you cleanly create new jump points But I guess all we have to conclude is that she's just not allowed to Kamala can she has some unique inaction to it That enables her to use it safely though They don't know that when they give them to her which would jump in at a bit But she's when she uses a go to her. No, yeah, I just it is pretty funny, right? It's like, oh, yeah, the two of them are meant to be together, but if you try to use it, they'll kill you But okay, and then it does and she explodes and it creates a The the the jump point it goes real flimpy and it gets real big and violent And then it connects to like a different realm a different universe on the other side Yeah Basically a regroup on the they regroup on the ship now looking at this and Monica says yeah, she tore a hole in space time a different reality is what she says But I guess it's a universe is bleeding into theirs now and Monica again in keeping with her She just theorizes correct things with no information whatsoever Believes that Carol and Kamala can generate the same amount of energy that created the hole Directed into Monica and she can repair the tear. Yeah, why not? That makes sense And I thought they were being clever at this point because at first You have captain Marvel brings back the braces, but she only gives miss Marvel one of them I'm like, oh, okay, cuz she's just seen someone put two on and she doesn't want her to explode Without anything else Like maybe like two minutes later gives her the other armband and they just decide to do this plan And there's been no conversation about whether you can handle to whether they're supposed to be split up and it that them Definitely something was cut there because otherwise you just give them a both right at the start I genuinely like I want that one character to be here They can judge our pigs if you want the one character is down to earth and sees her hand the bangle over and she pops it Then just him go you just try to kill you You're like what do you mean? It's like you just that we just saw that kill. She just she wants you to be dead like What's going on? It only works on a Cree. Oh Yeah connected to the Nord dimension, so it's okay. Yeah, I think we have to just accept it That's the film goes that far. It just says I'm the chosen one. It's like cool. Yeah Yeah, it's a Why only give a one bracelet to start We don't know why they were separate Well, I know he means why did they just hand her her one and then hold on to the other one? Why didn't they just give them both work? Yeah, wait I just have a conversation before they give her the second one as if it's meant to mean something because I thought that was deliberate But then it they never mention it No I was about it funny It's like, you know if two of them created the tear then presumably all you need is the quantum bands to fix it Why don't they try that just like use the quantum bands and fix it? Why would you need to have the quantum bands and all of Carol's energy redirected into Monica so that she can fix it? Like that's the thing about Monica's ego, right? Yeah, I mean somebody with this amount of energy explode and you're like, yeah I can take it And she's totally right because she absorbs it and she's gets all of this super energy and then she says hi for the faster Which by the way, that's a lame. I don't I don't find that a very interesting catchphrase There's no there's there's not a litteration carried through a higher. Okay. Oh further faster. Oh, okay You know what I mean? It's just like what okay? It's just like all right Further further faster they missed out on some fun by saying like, you know, don't don't give that to Kamala She'll explode. It's like no Kamala can handle it and then that person be like no Kamala can't get it That would have been the best line in the film from us I Then yeah, so they give her the power and then Monica can now survive the vacuum I guess she flies across space goes on to the other side of the tear and Start shooting lasers at the hexes that are appearing like in the fabric of reality to make them like repair Yeah, she like to go on the other side and pull She's pushing on the other side when you wonder if she could pull from I guess not it's bullshit And yes, so she's doing that and then Carol's like, yeah, it's working all right Come on back and then Monica's like, um, no, I can't actually and then she said something really stupid She said I always knew I wasn't coming back and it's like, um, I didn't That's what she said. She's just she always knew that this was like a one-way trip And then at this point Carol jumps out and tries to fly towards her clearly not moving it at light speed Like she she doesn't get there and just like oh, no, I missed you. Oh, I think you're saying it's like It's as if she was pretending that she was actually trying to reach. Yeah when she comes back. She'll be like gosh don I tried so hard Didn't I Kamala? I really tried you'll tell people that won't you Yeah, you weren't going that fast. She's like no maximum speed that was yeah I Guess Monica ain't coming back. Oh damn it. No Monica's in a different universe. She saved the world. The terror has been fixed That's right Becoming the god of time with his tree of green Yep, yes, he did he became the god of time and weaved the fabric of reality into like a giant tree that's now the multiverse It's a big tree It makes sense Yeah, we references a couple times this stream low key became a tree what Yeah, let's pretend it makes sense with Norse mythology. Why not? Let's do it You're so So you're telling me that the god of mischief became the god of time that it's something so fucking much By the way, that was so depressing. I think I mentioned it when we were watching the episode is wouldn't it have been kind of awesome? If when they had their final shot of Loki sitting there, he smiled menacingly. It was all Brands We come the master of time, but no, he's a good man He sacrificed himself and killed many past versions of himself by traveling back in time into planting their consciousness To groundhog day his way through trying to solve all these problems before becoming the new he who remains the People stories Marvel No, no, no, we're nearly done. By the way, we're so close to the end. We're so close By the way, I'd say this is this is the clearest evidence to me of reshoots on Saber, you know fury walks in and one of the staff says the planets are expected to make a full recovery and a team of Sciences have been sent to hollow to try and help the people. It's like oh full recovery with no no atmosphere and no ocean legs Okay, how did I just gonna magically generate water and air? And so the sun works again I was like even if you if we lost one percent of the water on like earth in the in the oceans That would be like cataclysmic, right? Because um what all does everything levels, well, no, no, no, I mean I mean one percent less water Not that the oceans are not just that they've liked it. There was one percent less water on earth now Oh, like for every one you just removed water No matter what I don't know, but it would definitely hurt It's gonna have extreme knock on effects of course, but it's a lot more than one percent obviously It's more than one percent if hollows oceans to be regenerated. It's more than one percent Oh, yeah, I would probably exaggerate anything like any current issues. So if you're It would probably mess up like ocean currents It's got to because the amount of water that is on earth is consistent like whether it's I so unless I'm totally wrong I believe it is slowly evaporating. I think But very slowly we're talking like slowly to a degree that's like barely Possible to count over the course of the year slowly compared to a big sucky tube Yeah, I agree big Because remember we just left a ladner and that was it we never went back there. We never double-checked. It's just over We're gone. Are we supposed to assume that a ladner? Tarnax and Hala are all just fine Yes, they're gonna make everyone acts like they're fine. So I guess The funny thing about the way this works is that you've got three planets That's presumably equal size and need for resource. I don't know. They're never gonna tell us And it's like how do you get a full planets worth of water and air? When you have two between three and then you have to wonder like well, yeah, but where did Hala's go? It's like nobody knows. It's just gone. They lost all their water today. Nobody. No, nobody Oh Oh, so oh fuck. Sorry. I accidentally skip we skip past Carol reigniting the star. She did that And reignited the stars Why not flies over how it goes to the Sun flies through it and the Sun just becomes brighter It's regenerated all of the people on um on uh on on Hala are like, oh, yes, son Whoa, and Carol was looking over a good work. Just like yeah did it and then she flies away She fucking restarted a star by flying Even more to say that she'd survive her suit wouldn't right? No Same problem super bad sometimes, but but yeah, like Carol is the strongest person the MCU other than Gaia She can she can tank a son and and she's just totally fine She restarted it and now it's all good and Hala save everybody's happy No lasting ramifications except there were because the civil war did happen and many people did die And many scrolls died and people on it laden and would have died, but it's all good. Happy ending all sort of And she learned nothing from that because as far as she's concerned, it's like a morality back to before it was done Yes, I'm a good guy Back to being good because she she undid the problem even though you can't undo all the dead people over 30 years Well, they could with the time machine I Don't like the idea that Gaia could do this. She could just fly into a star and restart it something she can do Pretended not be not to be able to beat Thanos like Yeah, yeah, she could Oh, there's so many things she could have done Well Yeah, but I guess yeah, it's they're gonna make a full recovery then that's that's that and you know Monica she was pretty cool I interacted with her over the course of this movie and nothing else and oh, man I'm so soon that they had a long long and illustrious I thought it was funny that like he asked what happened to Monica and Miss Marvel's explanation is pretty vague And there's way more questions to ask that. He's just like, uh-huh. Okay, so where's was Captain Marvel and it's just like Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like she didn't make it. It's like she's dead. Well, no, she got trapped in an alternate universe. Oh, okay Yeah, that follow that follows Cuz the way they act is like she's dead when I mean it seems like she's probably alive if she like there's no reason to believe that She couldn't continue to live in the vacuum or that she you know I let's say believe that she got stranded in like it's stellar space and there's just gonna starve to death Sands any planets to go to but you know But you know We're gonna find out her fate soon enough. We now find out that Carol is moving into Maria's house in Louisiana Kamala's only wearing the one bangle so I guess Carol must have the other one And they just have a chat about oh, yeah, no, you know, it's uh Monica she was pretty cool. And you know, we made a really good team and then we cut to New York Where Kate Bishop from Hawkeye is She's coming back to her house and Kamala's in there And they they're trying to do the Iron Man post-credits scene But now it's self-referential and lame. Did they even try to like copy the dialogue and It's horrible like and it's just a reminder Well, yeah, she doesn't know what exact lines so it's so it's an astounding coincidence that she chose the exact same word Fury did but she doesn't know what he said And yes, this is meant to be a set up for the Young Avengers movie. That's probably never gonna happen now She mentions. Oh, do you know that Ant-Man has a daughter? So they're gonna they're gonna recruit all your favorite characters Kamala Bishop Cassiolang, what a dynamic What a mess gonna happen, I don't think and then and then that brings us to The last scene in the film where Monica wakes up I guess it's when I and how wouldn't they as well the audience wakes. Oh, yeah, I guess so and maybe America Chavez as well Would be like What a great team we got there, but yeah, Monica wakes up in a facility and Maria's there But she's in a different universe and it's kind of awkward because like the actress for Monica is like Really really really trying but this is like a post-credits scene that's setting up like other movies and stuff So almost feels like it's kind of misplaced She's like really trying to act like a woman who has finally like her mother is alive after she thought she died She's like very emotional, but it's in this it's a post-credits scene to set up X-Men So like it comes it's kind of feels like her effort to like almost mismatch with the objectives of the scene But then we see CG Beast played by Kelsey Graham And it's and it's not her mom because it's a different universe. So this is um her name I believe is binary That's Maria that she found her in space brought her to the X-Men facility She's in a different universe. It's not her own her presence here ensures an incursion will happen But you know, whatever Mentions Charles and then leaves and then we have a long shot of Maria in a pretty lame looking suit and then Monica's like oh shit This is you know, this is not what I thought and then it's finally over. It's done. That's the end of the movie How we feelin pretty good feel pretty good. I liked it Yeah, a lot of people go in 10 out of 10 I understand that but I don't like to give them out too much So nine I think I There's a lot of riveting character work. It's got some great action. It's a triumph Really is it's a yeah a little bit short, you know, I could use a little bit more runtime But it's it's a fun movie and it's got great characters in the great villain And it teaches you lessons about life in the universe and everything and teamwork. Um, so This is absolutely this is absolutely one of the worst Marvel films This is absolutely one of the short Oh, no, Fringy's glitching and he's he's saying something from the other five films we covered previously I'm just show us the extra hour Dude, I'm getting so tired of saying that but like they just keep making awful There's no like sense of needing a compensate for this in terms of like explanation the box office is fucking showing it They're crashing it's fucking But you know what they'll learn for this it won't be that the film was bad It's that the strike hurt it and the actors couldn't go out to market it and that's why I so I think Cope something that I kind of wonder is it that we've what they'll think is ah Female lead superhero films. They're not actually they can't succeed It's such a monkey brains that are in charge of a lot of that stuff It's like what do what goes out? Oh women cabinet buddy bubble goes out. No, they can't you like what? Maybe it's all the complicated They just made a really really bad movie which they did and I think it's just a map that there's only so many times that you can go to the theater and see absolute like shit before All of like you're coming into it with the absolute best faith of all would yeah, this is Marvel They're generally entertaining how many times can that happen before it's like dude I kind of expect like I'm not expecting anything You know like I'm not expecting this to be good and then it's like oh wow lo and behold it was terrible Yeah, I'm not going anymore. I don't want to keep going to the theater and being annoyed and disappointed Yeah, I'll just stay home and do something else Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't have seen this if I wasn't invited on to the street that was So I guess it's what what are we thinking it's how what's everybody add in terms of a number score for all right? So well, let's just I don't know does it violate space and time? Yes? Yeah, I guess it's a I guess it's a one because basically It was short and I was out of the theater quickly there there we go, which I'm only saying because it's all Just for like the cat eating scene What I found funny the thing is I see that the same like it's Robin open everything else It's like yeah, I enjoyed it for a reason that wasn't intended I still got entertainment from that scene so I will say almost feels like it deserves a point for being so much shorter We need to encourage them to do this in future, you know So what I would say is that when I watch the film for the first time my takeaway was this can't be better than a two But I mean like oh, there's no way right. Yeah. Yeah, I would happily cap it at two. Yeah Yeah, it's the cap. It's the upper cap, which is you know good for you marble a whole two if you can manage to get there Whether or not it sinks to a one though, you know, that's a prestigious That's a prestigious club the one out of 10s. I mean pretty much every character super retarded everything They tell us is not how anything works, you know They assassinate the hell out of their main character and then all of physics is falling apart and Thematically there is one clear idea thematically that's completely abolished by the film It's just like no not good to work as a team, but you should work as a team Yeah, and then and then there was a fact that they do actually There are multiple instances of really messing with time and space. Yeah And so when you factor all that in it's like damn man Did you do it again against all fuck like because with I wasn't expecting Ant-Man to End up at a good old one out of 10 territory, but my god, they did it and I think that might have done it again. I Think this is worse than Ant-Man. I Off do you say you don't think I'll do anything? If you if I had to watch one of them again, it would be Ant-Man over this Ant-Man has my dog Who is like an actual good character? The question is always because that the absolute worst of the worst is multiverse of madness It's uh, is it how does it stack up to multiverse of madness? I don't think I'd stand by what we said at the time I don't care if the people are surprised by this every time But there's not gonna be a movie this worse than MOM for writing that film It was just a billion contradictions per second. It was fucking insane Yes, it was pretty remarkable. It's almost like this film benefits from being less dense Um Multiverse of madness is exceedingly dense in terms of what's like the contents of the story in terms of what's being delivered And how much stuff is breaking all the time or is this one it is really concentrated I mean, we talked about it for five hours, but like it's uh, it is a thinner story overall What about Thor what about Thor Thor? That's the interesting one because I think we settled on the one Like I have one thing this movie One thing this movie has going for it for me personally from various but subjective standpoint is that It's like differently from Thor and like Ant-Man and stuff Like I I did not expect anything from Captain Marvel movie, you know So there's not there was no like disappointment or like, you know expectations You know when I went into this I was like the worst this could be is boring and it was not boring It was cats meets like despicable me and it's absurd and I did not expect much from it So it was not like hunt heart wrenchingly like bad, you know, I didn't feel much for it and didn't make me feel Stity, you know differently from the things that I expect The most from I kind of a like multiverse was pretty miserable. Um, that was a pretty miserable experience I still love and thought it was pretty miserable This one was well, no, I I this was this was pretty sad to watch I tend to agree with drinker at this point It's one of his big points in the opening of his video was that this is no This has moved on to another stage again of instead of like being when you went from angry or all these different ones He was like now it's sort of like you pity them a little bit It's just Yeah, it's embarrassing. It's it's like a big fat old man trying to bend over a tie shoe and he just falls and you're like Everything that's kind of happened in terms of the last couple of weeks with all the reporting and everything is that there is now blood in the water For Marvel, it's okay to like be okay very publicly and loudly And to proclaim there was a scourge on the entertainment industry speaking of which welcome new fans In the wake of that I mean Marvel's Marvel is in a lot of trouble, you know, yeah, they just are this looks like it's gonna be the first failure And I don't see this as being the kind of this is not like a case where it's like Oh, but the film might be appreciated, you know five years from now. I wasn't so bad No, that's the thing that it's so lacking in substance that I just don't think that this is the kind of film that could ever sort of recover a Reputation, I think it's just kind of doomed to be like pointed to as they're really bad Accepted bad Marvel film because you know multi-versed madness is still contentious Unfortunately, but this one will probably go down as just and accepted a bad cynical film But more relevantly the first Categorical undeniable Marvel failure, which um Yeah, it's worth mentioning this this film has a cinema score of a B Which is catastrophic and to know which is funny, right? Which puts it in the company of Catwoman Green Lantern Batman vs. Superman and the Okay, cuz yeah, the Metacritic score is 50 which for a Marvel movie is that's low It's obviously way too high. The film is not a five out of ten The only people going to the cinema to see any of this stuff like this kind of movie so it boosts the reviews and For reference by the way, all duty modern warfare 3 has a higher Metacritic score It's so funny because we've been tracking it so dare I say intimately and yet the Reactionist for a lot of people is what happened. It's like well It's it's kind of it's really it's a logical cause-and-effect story of yeah two years of consistent bad movie except for spider-man away home consistent bad Marvel movies There's and and a deluge of the quantity mixed with the terrible quality All together as well as a general dislike for kind of what Disney and Marvel represent in the entertainment landscape anyway As well as broader declines in interest in superhero films all sort of culminating in one movie fittingly on a project called the Marvel's Well, not so fittingly on the 100th anniversary of Disney I feel like it's kind of an ode to what Disney is as a company right now that this year has been pretty bad for them And that a lot of the normal ways of making money of just kick out a Marvel project Just kick out a live-action remake, you know, just fucking get it out there, but that's not that's not working anymore It's not working It's jover And so is this movie What is going on over there rotten tomatoes? What's going on there with this movie? Oh, what do you mean? I? Don't really like rotten tomatoes at all. Yeah, but how is this fresh? Okay, yeah, more than 50% over so it's 60% I think for yeah Oh, I know that this could be like oh you just be at a dick bro. Just like what I saw the school I was like, okay, 62 on on critics. That's like 85 for the audience that's bullshit It's a lie I don't believe that for a goddamn second 85 There's no fucking way That's impossible A lot of fun and nice references to other films without a lot of playing them the leads are great And I hope to see them more in the future. Oh my god. It was so good. I loved everything about it I already seen it twice and plan on seeing it a lot Now we are just This is very verified all audience is 73 which is still too high Yeah, I don't I don't use or run tomatoes at all like it. What what is the nature of being a verified user? I think you have it Like you know esteem has this person has bought this game kind of thing Oh, right. I take it through a certain that you can prove you bought the ticket essentially. Oh It means that rotten tomatoes could essentially choose who gets into that and who doesn't We're worse movie worse absolute movie to date. They still give it one and a half stars out of five That's generous. They also we know they shadow ban people. Oh, they actually explain themselves They said 1.5 because of the cats and the end credits The end credits were good Look, I was working myself as all these heroes are going around making cats eat people like that would Detainment to 1.5. I guess we we would have to accept on that reference of the post-credits scene that Basically admitting before the movie was out that it's about X-Men. It didn't work. No, it is not mustard Significant enthusiasm to go watch the film the strategy mustard enthusiasm so it must catch up. Oh my god The scores that they relish Delightful fun steady pace and the characters were well fleshed out enjoyed Four and a half stars, you know the X-Men thing It's not like it didn't give them some of a bit like some of these reviews Explicitly mentioned the fact that X-Men is even in it at all. It's like, oh, that's that's why the film is cool It's like you're fucking the film is cool because be shut up for 30 seconds at the end The whole movie you know the funny part is we've talked about some Friday tights They would they were talking about binary the what character she is which one and I was like you guys do realize most people's Conclusion is that storm in an outfit. I don't recognize And I don't even blame them like what how is Like does anyone hit a binary from the comics? Well, it's just what people would be like, oh, it's just captain Marvel in a different universe But with the X-Men if it's with the X-Men you just be like, oh, this is an X-Men Yeah, I mean, I've always considered myself normally and all this kind of stuff And I literally thought that that woman turned up from men in black for at least like 20 seconds before I realized Yeah Same costume from another movie on the same actor It doesn't work. It was hard enough to keep track of this stuff when people cared about it before the TV shows came out Yeah, that's right, and nobody cares anymore It's it's like yeah now now the greatest strength of the MCU Well the purported greatest strength of the interconnectivity as its curse it only makes things more confusing It creates more damage that gets carried over to subsequent stories and people just don't want to deal with it anymore This is a five out of five But it says people will hate whatever they want to hate regardless the movies fun funny entertaining the time of the OG Avengers is over and people need to move on tell the trailers that Cannot afford to let you forget You don't get to demand what the audience likes and what they don't you're supposed to give them what they want So you can keep telling people and trying to deny all you want. You'll just go broke Well, what what's gonna happen? You're gonna convince people to not like Tony and like your new character. You gotta make trying that over and over again. It's been horrible At the end of the day, you're gonna make people like these new characters And if you fail at that then yeah, because I mean that's that's like the product of it all who watches that You know no like who watches that scene of like, oh, yeah, young Avengers That's gonna be so exciting with all these riveting characters like who would who even exists really dude? That's excited for that. There's a review here that says it was a fun movie that showed the value of relationships Other agents. Yes. All right. I mean, I love this. It was super fun. It had everything I liked That's gotta be real right It did not oh these reviews are so informative great fun awesome movie We should see it then because that sounds pretty good All three nice. Well, I have a reviewer here called G who said entertaining and fun. Whoa See if they still make those Yeah, nope Entertaining and fun. Thanks G Marvel is back, baby No It's always coming back When somebody I'm curious to hear like so what was the low point just to be sure if this is coming back What do you think the low point is? all of it oh to know Let's see This movie was a blast the three leads have fantastic chemistry and you can feel the heart In this film. I'm looking forward to seeing these three ladies in the future You might not Yeah, I mean well, so I mean what what do we expect now going forward? All right Here's the Marvel movies So the attitude that I currently have is as I've said before no Marvel movie exists Until it is in theaters I don't care if it's in production if they're shooting if they're scripting hiring for it It doesn't exist until it's in the theater and I could buy a ticket and go to the theater So you can buy it and peel over it. That's absolutely until that point It doesn't exist Marvel is gonna become more like DC to whether it's a degree of unpredictability to whether an announced project will actually materialize Yeah Even the X-Men stuff who knows when it will come out who knows what will become of it like Legitimately who knows it could be years until we actually see that happening. Maybe it would who knows Do you guys think that they will move forward or move back? Avengers movies. Oh Move back Do you think that might not want to rush it to try and be like oh shit you guys like Avengers, right? That's like potentially gonna But if you put Avengers like if you have a trailer for Avengers who are the Avengers If it's all the new shitty characters then like Captain Marvel Captain Falcon America I Think they'll at least try that first moon night won't he won't be an Avenger, right? Well, he's probably being a different because now I think they're scared shitless of doing other team ups like midnight suns and stuff I get the impression that if that was on the cards, they're like oh shit But this failed and this was like a team up movie or shit Or can we actually do that anymore? people afraid of Watching a film that has multiple characters from different shows and movies like teaming up No, I think they believe in the brand rather than the character They'll be like well the Avengers is popular Let's take the Avengers because all these companies love taking an IP and then just putting stuff in it like They think it's the the IP that matters rather than the content within the IP And so I don't know grasp that it's the characters that people like yeah I don't think they actually know what's wrong with their movies or they might get like a token Iron Man And then just rest with all the others Maybe what I would do would be I mean why don't I said I don't know what I do here's what I think they might do What they should do I suppose is make that X-Men movie Market it a lot because a lot of people might not like think X-Men You know like Marvel Cinematic Universe. They think they're different. They think it's a side thing And you if they make a really good X-Men movie. I think they've got a shot I think they've got a chance if they make a few good movies in like rapid succession Yeah, but all the movies that But all the movies that are like slated to come out or plan to come out or that they've already kind of started working on shit So don't remind everybody who doesn't know so because of the actor strike and the writer strike There have been a lot of delays There is one MCU film coming out next year and it's Deadpool 3 Which is interesting because Deadpool 3 again. It's a sequel to fox X-Men films Um, it's co-produced by Ryan Reynolds and his production company. It is not totally a Marvel Studios production so It is and then there are some Sony Marvel movies coming out next year as well like Venom and Craven and uh madame web, but there's only one MCU film And no DC films either because Aquaman's it that's it and they're done Um, and then after that it'll be Captain America 4 which is getting extensive reshoots Five months worth of reshoots and is now coming out in February of 2015 at 20 2025 Fantastic four is out on may in 2025 Thunderbolts is out in july 2025 and then blade fine Finally blade maybe who knows on november of 2025 So there is these are all gonna be terrible Um, I don't really have any hope for any of them except for maybe Deadpool. Maybe and even then I'm pretty sketchy Time travel and tba apparently gonna be in it. Oh I'm intrigued by Deadpool 3, but yeah, I'm just looking forward to spire verse. I think I want to See what happens with that and maybe like Oh January all right. Yeah, that there I think that's already on the that's already getting sacrificed I think It just fits so well, you know Like you can't you can't see the beauties It's all just I mean it really oh my goodness Oh There they are You like have a six pack or just rolls of fat Definitely a six pack. That's right. Yes. It's definitely Yeah, definitely. It's obviously I'd say right obviously. That's what it is. Oh my god You get to be the genocider How does that feel Feels pretty good. Feels pretty good um Our joke is coming out next year. That's right. Um, so that's you got that. Oh my god. Look at those evil cats That'll hopefully be refreshing even if it's bad, you know, even if yeah, at least you're trying something Well, yeah, because uh Could be a musical do you think uh, do you think any heads are gonna roll at marvel? Who's uh, who's the full guy? Oh I mean At that case, it's kevin feige. That's the true responsible person, but He didn't write it. He didn't make the movie. No, I I totally agree with that Like he didn't tell them to make it shit, but at the same time he charged these people in charge of hiring Yeah, he's in charge of hiring all the people and he consistently Oh Yeah, I mean this is like when the communist dictatorship takes over and just like everyone fucking dies and we're starting over I think you wear glasses. You're dying You can't reboot a series while still keeping the people on the way the last one No, it just doesn't address that it's kind of the reason why like even though I'm a little bit Well, I'm I'm pretty concerned about like this dc reboot There was an element of yeah, but you got like oh no way the the co-producer of like a whole bunch of the uh The older movies is actually the producer going forward. So that's not even analogous. Anyway, that's still got some of the old regime The reality is uh the mc was a juggernaut But like it only remains a juggernaut for as long as that is benefiting the newer projects As soon as it not it isn't as soon as you put out something that it's like Look, it's the next thing in this big set of things and no one gives a shit It's like that big set of things becomes worthless. It's What have you got and it's like, oh shit And uh, it becomes worthless, but it costs 200 million dollars to produce So it's like that's what I'm saying like the the the benefit What what they have is that history, but as soon as the history isn't giving them anything it's like guys Bad, we're back at square one almost and if anything it's worse than square one because we didn't have so many losses like the You know, they're probably the best time for them was probably avengers 2012 where everyone was looking at them And they were like, wow, what are you gonna do next? And like, yeah All the investments all the plans for the future and the money was pouring in and the budgets were much lower What was the budget for avengers 2012? Uh, I think it was I think it was like 200 million, but that was again bigger movie than this and 220 million. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's the same as this movie, but remember That it's a longer movie as well. It's two and a half hours. This is one and a half hours So much better That's about a lot of people that people care about age of all time. I think age of all time costs nearly 400 million dollars Right, so it started to really balloon, but but they made they made like over a billion dollars They made yeah, of course endgame made like nearly three billion dollars. So It's just this this model is I didn't happen for a long time if ever again probably not I mean, I guess eventually never again, but I mean, it'll be many many years We'll be old and gray And cratchety sitting on our porch before we watch that they released a good avengers movie. What do you mean? Oh the 18th was good I mentioned a few times like in an attempt. I don't think that can cut There are ways in the the the films are perceived as being cheap even though they're not and I don't know that you could Convince a lot of these actors to keep participating in this series if they're not getting paid a lot of money Like why would Brie Larson want to keep doing this? I'm such a bad move Like I have 10 million dollars a year like this project. It doesn't assist your career whatsoever it can fucking even Robert any junior who Arguably from any of the other actors perspective got the best journey in the mcu was worried how it was affecting his career Imagine how it's affecting your career now badly Also, oh, fuck. We were seconds away. I was gonna Say disbrew had to go but conversation, you know, it goes but even if he's not here I'll uh, I'll say spirit Make sure to check out his work. He's been he's been toiling in those editing caves He's been covering that robin hood show that everyone Oh brilliant He's more of a fan I think of covering the absolute destruction of the mcu than individual projects Like I said, it's kind of the cruelty of me that got him to see this film So now we at least you have some more insight into why everything's falling apart for this movie. I mean, that's right This is this is good context to have fresh on your brain Yeah, this can only help you And so um link in the description to his channel and I'll spam it in the old chat as well Check it out. Subscrizzle. And I guess uh, that's a good way to prompt wrapping up So we'll um, yeah We'll go with uh j long bone first. What are you up to? What's happening? Wish people find you and why should they subscribe? Oh, uh, check me out on my youtube channel j long bone. Uh, I'm doing I'm doing some robin hood videos as well. This came out the second episode A day ago and uh, I'll be working on Review for the exorcist believer Sooner or later I mean you sound so enthusiastic about it. That sounds pretty fun Well, yeah, you know what it's it's gonna be funny because I really hate that movie So, you know, yeah, I it killed my soul. But like it's funny. It's gonna be funny Well, excellent. Um, yeah, I mean you you've got any, um Is is the thing happening the thing that we recorded with you the Okay, all right people have asked like what do we get a next read a horrible horrible book with you as well Oh, yeah, I got a couple comics There's plenty of torture unavailable, um Naturally and yes, uh, that is funny as well As you know, you probably recorded what like 20 fat movies with us that are yet to see the light of day. That's uh You know, this is plenty of fun things to expect So you invest in the future when you hit subscribe everybody. That's what we do even beat my ass everybody Oh, we've had so much fun. We watched five nights at freddy's everybody Isn't that great? Oh, we did watch five nights at freddy's and we yeah, we did We sure did Yeah, I found another Five nights at freddy's ripoff called reddies fridays That's that sounds amazing. I go I'm sure it's a really high budget and it's appreciated by the fans. That's another thing Uh, all righty Not so what are you up to what's happening? Well, uh Well, I am working on a project that is just It is also killing me, but It's uh, it's been months And it's still going, you know, I mean it just it gets longer and longer And it's about a movie that is very very pink and sparkly And oh my god And I hate myself for it, but it's okay Because it's gonna be Long and it's gonna be torturous for me, but hopefully enjoyable for others, but yeah It's it's cooking It's cooking and english is leaving me. I I can't pronounce words anymore. So English left the writers of MCU I think it did Uh Yeah, I mean because you the last thing uh, you put out recently was just, you know The doomed legacy of bogey bogey, which is just funny considering the stream that we've just done as well Just like yeah, it's just another little aspect of there's more fuel for that fire Oh, yeah, uh, I assume you're gonna keep uh keep an eye on the Other aspects of disney when it's falling apart just here in there Of course. Yeah. Well always a pleasure and uh, absolutely for having me Of course anytime meme repository Good. So what are you up to what's happening? Oh, yeah, so I had to take a couple of months off because I had a very, um, unfortunate injury with my elbow Some hooligans came out of nowhere and were like, fuck you and then I was attacked. Um, but but now that I'm on the mend I'm thinking I'm gonna be streaming robocop pretty soon the new one. Good shit. Yeah Yeah, yeah, so I'm gonna be doing that soon. Hopefully I gotta re I want to rewatch the the films first Just so I'm all up to date on my references, but then Yeah, I'm gonna hit that Metal booty hard. So yeah, look out for that. You will be rewarded for watching those movies again. That that game loves them Which is uh, just what you want Oh, that's good to hear Yeah, you know good to hear you are hopefully on the mend and that all kinds of things will be coming there sounds like big old fun on the gun Yeah Bring you rags. What about you guys? um I guess I don't really want to say anything yet because I don't know when things will be done But I've got some I got a few things I'm thinking about. I got some stuff I think I got a new game plan and I'm sort of setting up here that should work well But I don't want to I don't want to promise anything because you know how that goes It's a busy time of my life Yes, so I'm uh, yeah, I'm working on Loki. I'm also working on a smaller project But I also kind of don't want to talk about it until it's actually done and finished It's not the next big critique thing, but it's uh, it's a different little thing I'm just working on it and yeah working on Loki You know the deal editing dungeon shenanigans partially delayed by prep for uh for this but back to it Back to the dungeon I go Um, and then on my end, uh, currently working on sorting out the big long arc for next year Um And a couple of other things. Yeah, not not much else to announce for now. I'm trying to think of yeah, tomorrow We're recording more. There's a thing coming as soon as we've fully recorded it. I'll tell you about it All right, but until that I don't want to say anything because it might not happen for whatever horrible tragic reason As soon as it's finished, we'll tell you about it. That's not the war movie arc War movie arcs definitely happen. That's all finished in terms of recordings editing is the part that's yeah Gotta get it done But there is something yes to tell you guys about A wonderful new something that we've also been cooking in the background Um, if wait, uh while i'm showing it Fringy rags either of you able to just spam the link every once in a while so they can Uh, yes. Yes. Let me now a lot of the cool channels out there with streams and stuff do this Thing and it's we thought we should finally probably set it up in a more official way We have officially Started up, uh, even as much as a month ago an efap highlights channel Here it is. Oh my god. Look at her go She's so beautiful. She's just she's just starting out Just toddlin look at those great thumbnails and those amazing I mean, I actually I really I you will say I really like the look of it. Oh, it's a gorgeous channel With a ui and it looks really good. I really like it the way it's gonna work more than likely Is that it's gonna try and do highlights of every episode the new ones as they're coming out But also catch up on older ones, uh, gradually And try and hierarchy hierarchy. Is that a way to say it do it in the in the way of, um Structure it that's a better word in the sense of going for the the more popular stuff Or at least the more fan demanded stuff first So trying to chop out the pieces that you guys want to see on individual Sort of videos. Um, it could be segments could just be a joke could be a story that's told could be coverage of a particular Topic it's coming. It's it's slowly getting out there It's gonna have um for now it's efap highlights as in just like, you know this part of an episode or things Even sometimes that aren't even from uh efap like uh Universe, yeah the second chat I had with star wars theories already on there, which you can't actually find on mula So there are things on here that you'll be like, oh, it'd be fun to check that out again There'll be things you'll be like, I don't remember that happening. It's like, oh, that was from an episode I didn't watch but it was something in it that was real fun and um Yeah, and then like super cuts will be released. So they're like gonna be just, you know For example, the jenny nicolson stream without jenny nicolson, which comes to four out of seven hours Can we can we just appreciate that thumbnail as well? Well done pretty good Um, and I mean it's it's worth mentioning. Uh, this channel is run by wolf. He's gonna be the one that's Organizing it and he's gonna be interested in you know hearing back from you guys in the form of comments on what you're after What highlights you'd like to see What things you'd like focused on here and there he would just you know It's gonna appreciate that sort of feedback and it's worth mentioning We would like you to churn this a little bit at least for now Because it's not got much activity Which means it's got like a set of restrictions to an extent channel. Yep You know early on if a channel doesn't get a certain amount of views or subs or something like that It has some restrictions on what it can do whether that's Um, like the upload limit in terms of length and stuff of that nature its ability to mona not monetize and You know stuff like that Yeah, it's a frequency of uploads length of uploads and ability to monetize a course and then just other stuff to expand the channel And of course if you give them a check out even if you've seen some of these highlights before it Just helps the channel itself get to different people here and there. Um, obviously we're hoping to promote it Just continuously now as time goes on because it's a channel We should have probably created as soon as we created this podcast, but hey, we get there eventually a new pillar of the uh the whole e-fapa Machine yes And who knows what my mail may not end up on there, but you'll see eventually it's going to be populated Enormously is kind of the idea. It's just uh, it's starting out. It's fledgling to an extent But let's get it nice and healthy. That's that's the goal Absolutely, please do check it out Yeah, if like most of the link many times in chat, all right, so good I subscribe I subscribe Of course it is also called e-fap highlights as you can see there. So yeah, please define Um, and yeah for those listening into this in future It's top of the description link right there And obviously if everyone who was watching right now was to check out even a handful of these videos It would probably get all the requirements through um So give it a look see I imagine I wouldn't need to convince you much because you probably watch this podcast Seeing that you're here right now But yeah, this is uh, we were looking to launch it for a while and here it is It's kind of neat how um, it was a decent amount of people engaging with it before it was even mentioned by us Um, I guess Yeah getting a bit of traction there Look at the why synthetic man would never be on e-fap. It's got 1.6 k already. Oh my god That one got into the ol algo So, uh, yeah, that's about that I suppose Um captain marvel sequel, you know, all right. 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