 Welcome to Every Way Woman, so I'd like to start with a little game I call shame or fame. Ready ladies? Ready. Let me break it down to you. Here's the story. Couple, together three years, get married. She decides she wants to have a baby. There's trouble with fertility. They now have to invest in further treatments. She's fertile. He is not. Just to be clear. Now, in this, she finds out that he's $150,000 in debt. That surprise she did not know immediately files for divorce. Shame or fame? Shame. Shame. Shame. Shame. Look at me ladies in the audience. Shame. Shame on her for not doing her research. They were together three years before they got married. Shame on her. Shame on her for leaving her man when he needed her. Okay, times were difficult, but she left him. Shame, shame, shame. Okay, wait, wait, wait. No, fame, fame, fame, fame. Okay, yeah, still together for three years. However, maybe that was not information that he disclosed to her. Now, if you give out information, you're like, oh, this is what you do, then you might think, yeah, the other person does that too. What is she then going to do? Well, he didn't lie about it. Yeah, he didn't lie about it. He was just a little hushed up. She didn't ask the right questions. As women, we gotta ask the right question. We ask all kinds of questions. Yeah, I'm the only one. When in a relationship, we don't ask questions. Yeah, except for this. I knew someone who had met someone and married someone whose parents had made their car payments for the first year, year and a half, two years of their marriage and didn't even know about it. Okay. Okay, so how was she not to know that he had made those car payments? In her defense, and as a single woman, I want to know, ladies, how much do you have to disclose about your finances? I mean, do I have to air all my dirty receipts? Absolutely. You absolutely have to air debt. You have to air? Absolutely. Yeah. If my mate doesn't air it, am I excused? I still have to ask the questions. Babe, love you. You find us ever. But how much money are we gonna be in debt? Because it's our debt. Because he didn't tell me. And I didn't ask. I just leave him? But maybe he didn't tell her. Maybe she might have asked him. We don't know if she asked those questions and he didn't tell her. Okay, so are you concerned that one lie can lead to another lie? Absolutely. That's a little lie. That's not even a little lie. No, but that's a very solid point, Stacey, that if he's not being honest about his finances, what else is he hiding? But we don't know that he just didn't say anything and she didn't ask. Oh, okay. What did he spend his money on? Frivolous things. We're talking watches, glasses. That's irrelevant, ladies. No, it's absolutely relevant. No, it's not. Yes, it is. Because he spent his money on crap. He didn't even like go in debt to buy a house. Madison, if he spent it on a stripper or if he sent it on buying her a ring, it's irrelevant. The problem is at a difficult time in their relationship, she bailed out. And that's the shame. But her relationship wasn't real. That's a thing that wasn't even real to begin with. In my opinion, it's a little bit of both, okay? Typical Gemini, me. I'm saying a little shame, a little fame. So... Why is it a shame and fame? Let me hear this. In my opinion, good for her for standing up for herself. However... Standing up for herself. Shame in the fact that maybe there was a few other alternative steps in the meantime before divorce to, you know, meet therapy or let's create a budget together. He bought some watches and took himself to McDonald's. Maybe it was a few presents for her. And they're going to therapy... Wait, wait. No way. No way. How does she stand up for herself by leaving her marriage with some information she didn't like? Because, well, she didn't want to waste any more time. She was ready to have a baby to start a family. He was not able to do that not only financially but physically, so she moved on to find a different man. Being on debt is not a reason not to have kids. I mean, life happens. You want to have a family committed to it. That's great. But really what it is is the man was a liar. He lied to her. And not giving full disclosure about your debt and about the way that you spend your money and what you spend it on. Now, if he had said he was $150,000 in debt because he had bought a house. Yeah, shame on her. But it wasn't for a house. Well, wait, here's the thing. In his defense, maybe he was afraid to say that to her. And I didn't have a real relationship. But I'm nervous. They were together for three years and dated. Okay, so how do you have that conversation, Stacy? What are you doing for the three years? Okay, here's the thing. Hey, baby, I'm going to take you out. I'm going to take you out to dinner. This is $200. This is $500. And she's thinking everything's okay. My man is taking care of me. I'm in a good place. I feel good about where we are. And then she finds out, oh, my gosh, those two $300 dinners that we could have done without to be $150,000. Now I can't have a baby. Ladies, a person can only keep up a farce for so long. We're dismissing. They were together three years. I'm not saying that he was right. But she also did not pay attention. I'm not saying she didn't pay attention. No, no, but let's discuss the conversation she should have had with him. How do you broach that with your man? How do you look at someone you trust assuming financial responsibility and say, I question you, baby. No, no, no, no. Here's the conversation. You marry me. Before we get married, we need to talk about some things. One, we need to talk about our debt. Two, we need to talk about your credit. Our credit. Three, we need to talk about some HIV tests. You've got to talk about all things. I agree. I absolutely agree. You just can't say, well, you're so fine. Let's go to the altar. That's what I want to say. That's the interview. My husband. Okay, then you will be at the wall of shame. You will be there too. You will be there too.