 I think we're live. Hey everybody, welcome to another Facebook Live with Dr. Jill and Dr. David Roberts. I'm so excited to have him on today and to grill him on all things related to sulfurophane. And if you haven't heard of this pretty profoundly amazing molecule, we're gonna talk about it and tell you why it might benefit your health. Just a little background, of course, you can find all of the past videos either here on Facebook or on my YouTube channel, which you can find by just searching my name. If you haven't already subscribed to the YouTube channel, I highly recommend it. We've got two or three new interviews every week. It's all free content and just great, great informational stuff. I know I learn every time. So I wanna introduce our guest. Now we have not met before, but I have heard just amazing things about him and his company. And so I'm super excited to bring him to you today. David Roberts is the founder of Brock Elite and he's a master's degree in public health from John Hopkins School of Public Health with a focus on epidemiology and international health. He also has a master's degree in biomedical engineering from the University of Virginia. And that's very cool, David, because I have a bioengineering degree from the University of Illinois. So yeah, we were a little bit in common. It's funny because I always thought, you know, I'm not really a bioengineer. I love medicine and love that, but it's complex problem solving, isn't it? And I think that there is like a, even though I don't think of myself as the bioengineer, there's a piece of it. He has a bachelor's degree in electrical and biomedical engineering from Duke and he has more than 20 years of experience working on quantitative research and public health across three continents, serving as founder and member of a new dominion philanthropy metrics, American Pain Research, Restore and now, Brock Elite. And like I said, I have heard just the most amazing things about you, your expertise and just delighted to have you here. So tell us a little bit. I love starting with story because story really gets us, gets our brain into remembering the content. Tell me, how did you get interested in sulfurophane and this research and even maybe a little before then, what led you to it? Yeah, so it started, my wife was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2012. And so she was very keen on treating it mostly naturally. With my background in sciences, I actually, one of our promises to each other was that we would just doing something alternatively or integratively doesn't mean it has to be crazy. And so it had to be based in science. And actually, my colleagues will give me a hard time. I actually don't have a doctorate. So I'm not a doctor, you don't choose to be a doctor. But so I have to just clear that up or else I never hear the end of it. I'm sorry about that, but you're brilliant nonetheless. So yeah, we basically, it was through her cancer journey. We ended up deciding to do more of a personalized medicine approach where we grew, we got some of her cancer cells and grew them in our lab with the help of basically one of my colleagues and the gentleman who stabilized the sulfurophane to put into broccoli is John Gilday and he met him the first week that Mara was diagnosed and even fast friends ever since, but he, we had an incubator, grew them, I grew her cancer cells in our lab and then he was able to put 60 different supplements on them to see what directly killed her type of cancer. And so sulfurophane ended up being number three. Wow. And so I went to buy it, went out to buy it and actually I went and saw that I found a compound, a broccoli supplement that had sulfurophane glucosinolate in it, I was like, oh, sulfurophane and bought actually quite a bit of it. And she was taking it for a while and didn't really seem like it was doing anything, come to find out that sulfurophane glucosinolate is actually the precursor chemical to sulfurophane and actually, so it really wasn't doing what we thought it was doing. So we ended up shifting to growing broccoli sprouts. We had probably enough broccoli sprout growing material for 10 families. We grow them and use them every day with, we had this kind of a and if you've ever had them it's really pungent and it's taste bad. So anyway, we made a good tasting juice and did that for a while. Well, I think I asked John, I was like, hey, can you stabilize or can you come up with a stable form of this so we can put it in the supplement so we don't have to grow these sprouts and a couple years went by and then he was just like, hey, I think I did it. Wow. I think I'd even forgotten that I had asked them. And so we send it off out to get tested. Sure enough, there was stable form of sulfurophane and at the time my wife was like, we have to get this out. This is like a game changer to have this because we had at the time that she was diagnosed with one and three year old and they grew up with a sprouting but it's a lot because you can have, it smells really bad, it tastes really bad. And then if you grow a crop, you can get fruit flies or mold and it goes bad and you lose a crop. And so anyway, just having an option was just easy. And so unfortunately my wife died in September 2017 and she had made a move to raise some seed money that came in about a week later. And so at that point, we formed the company and ended up getting the supplement in a capsule to market in April of 2018. And that's, it's important because it does a lot of things and I always say it's easier to not get a chronic disease. I'm sure you tell your patients this than to get it and try to fix it. And so sulfurophane is great at really keeping things at bay. So that's a little bit of the backstory, how broccoli and it sounds like I'm saying broccoli but it's broccoli elite is the name of the supplement. That's how it came to be. Oh, thank you so much for sharing that personal information. And gosh, I'm sorry for your loss but I just had this real sense as you were speaking, your wife must be so proud of you and what you're doing and bringing this. And I don't know if you know, but I at 25 had and a very aggressive breast cancer. So my heart really, really goes out to you and what you're doing because I've lived that and I happened to survive and yet I know I was in a group of young women under 40, I was 25 at the time. And of course, as you know, it's so aggressive in younger women and I am the only one of that young woman group that's still living. So I know the statistics like I'm a miracle and I didn't know this before we talked of how much in common with that passion for, I mean, there's so many of the uses we'll talk about today but that's one reason I wanted to bring you on is I only bring on things that I love and use and believe in myself. I'm not a sales person, but this is something I can get so behind because I've lived it and we'll talk about glyphosate in a minute. I grew up on a farm. So I had massive exposure to roundup and glyphosate and I know it affected my body and my microbiome and I've been searching every since and I talked to patients it's a big passionate project of mine as well. What else can we do? So let's talk a little bit with your background about your perspective on glyphosate and I know a little bit about what it does to the microbiome. I'd love to hear your perspective and then what can cell for things do for that? Yeah, it's a very important question. It's a very timely question. And so there's a lot to say. So basically, before broccoli, I helped start another supplement company called Restore. I didn't realize that David, that's my other favorite thing. I feel like that was a game changer in my gut health. Like my permeability issues that had been for years and years I had Crohn's disease, I had Celiac and both were undiagnosed till after the cancer. Restore changed my gut. Yes, yes. So through Restore, we did a lot of research on glyphosate and looking at shift in your microbiome but also in glyphosate is just, it does a lot in shifting your gut permeability. So tight junction function. And that's, if you have leaky gut or intestinal permeability you can get near term, you can get things like allergies or sensitivities. And as your immune system's always on, then you can get more of a just a stronger allergy and then autoimmune. And so having your gut closed is important. So tight junctions, the research we've done at Brock Elite to kind of build on that has been, and this is with Dr. with John Gilday who also it was the person who determined, so yeah, I basically gave him a bottle at the time it wasn't Restore. And I was like, given my commitment with my wife, Mara, we had to figure out what he did with Dr. And so I gave it to him and he was able to figure out that it was a gut supplement. And so with John, we basically wanted to see, what does glyphosate do with NRF2? So give a little bit of background of what NRF2 is. And then also, what does it do with cellular communication that works? So gap junctions, so gap junctions, every cell is connected through a series of gap junctions which allow communication from cell to cell. So cells aren't just individuals, they're functionally coupled. And it's how wounds heal, it's all sorts of things. And it's also when cells stop talking to one another, that's how disease occurs, specifically cancer. And so to basically, I'll start with the gap junctions since we're talking about it. So with gap junctions, we showed that glyphosate decreases that communication cell to cell communication 30%. And so that's a lot. And that decrease in cellular communication, actually there are a couple of papers that we can point to, but that show specifically, lost gap junction communication can cause cancer. So that's a big issue. And so we looked at, okay, well, what if you put, and this is the amount, it's about 100 parts per million, I believe, of glyphosate and maybe less. It's been a year since we did the study, but it's something you can get from a meal of like a large serving of soybeans or things that have maybe even a fast food meal. And so that communication, if you take sulfur, sulfur oven specifically, in our form, which is a broccoli elite, that actually gets leveled out. And so you're back to baseline. Now, if you don't take glyphosate and you take broccoli, it actually improves the cellular communication a lot. I can't remember the exact number. I think it's about 50% improved. So let me try to restate what you're saying, really quick, make sure our listeners understand that I'm getting what you're saying because it's profound. First of all, you're saying a typical meal with glyphosate. So for people who are listening, most of you know roundup and glyphosate. I've talked about it for years, but just to be clear, genetically modified corn, soy, cotton seed, and certain other crops that are real common in the U.S. and the majority unless it's certified organic are gonna have roundup residue on them because they're sprayed before they're harvested with this wheat killer and the genetically modified organisms are made to resist that, so they don't die. But by nature then, a lot of our food supply is specially corn and soy, which are pretty much in any processed food that you buy, corn syrup and soy lecithin and other things, and they're almost always genetically modified and less noted or less organic. So unless you're deliberate about 100% organic diet, you're probably getting exposure to glyphosate. And the latest studies have shown that even organic California wines have residues. So this is everywhere. So we're all getting exposure. And what you're saying is that glyphosate decreases cell to cell communication by like 30%. But if you have broccoli before the exposure, so say you're regularly taking it in the morning with your pills and then your evening you had a meal, you would actually decrease that effect of glyphosate on the cells. Is that correct? That is correct, yes. Fantastic, amazing. And then if you don't have glyphosate, which is even better, because for me, I try to avoid it, you're gonna have an increase in cellular communication. Yes, exactly. Yeah, and people ask, given my story, if there's just one food, you can avoid it too, because you're worried about cancer. If I'm worried about cancer, what foods should I avoid? And so without hesitation, I'll say high fructose corn syrup. And because it's in so much, and it's what it does to your metabolism, but then I'll throw in, I'll really make it two, because I'll throw in really quick and soybean oil, which is also in a lot of things, including people think that if they're eating a salad, it's good for them. Well, if you are eating a salad with just conventional dressing, it always has a soybean oil in it or vegetable oil, and so that's bad. Oh, so I wanna comment really quick, if you're okay, because this is, so I need a completely soy-free diet and corn-free diet, partially for this reason, but I wanna tell you what you're saying, David, is so real, because I have like one brand of salad dressing, I'm gonna name it, because you're probably wondering, organic girl is completely soy-free, but there's others. I don't have no affiliation with them, but it is actually incredibly hard to find soy-free salad dressing and soy-free chocolates. So if you're a chocolate person, chocolate lover, there are a few brands out there that are gluten-free, dairy-free, soy-free, non-GMO, organic, fair trade, et cetera, but it's hard to find and you have to be a very good label reader to find these things. And then here's the other thing, if you're cooking at home, you can avoid it, you can use olive oil, good oils, I have no trouble because I'm mostly 99% eat at home. However, if you're eating out, you can almost guarantee you're getting exposure to these things. So that's where there is a difference of people are like, well, I eat really healthy, but I'm eating out five meals a week, you're gonna get exposure there as well. Yes, and so a trick I'll do is, if I eat a salad out, I'll just say, hey, do you have olive oil and vinegar? Yeah. And if they're not sure if it's olive oil, then it's not. Exactly, exactly. You gotta, and you know, some people have celiac, that's a hard thing to deal with. You avoid gluten, you know, from rye, wheat, barley. I think it's actually much harder if you have a soy or corn allergy. There's so many more foods that have those two food groups in them. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and so communication, it's important. The other study we looked at was something called NRF2. So that's basically the protein and it's in ourselves, and it's responsible. So basically when you take sulfuricin, it can go into the nucleus and then begin turning on a lot of different things. So what it does is it actually turns on something called the antioxidant response system, which is responsible for about 200 antioxidants. So people think of vitamin C as an antioxidant. It's probably the most popular. That's one molecule and one vitamin C molecule can take out one pro-oxidant. Well, with sulfuricin, it actually generates for 72 hours, this antioxidant, 200 different ones to begin helping, you know, take care of those pro-oxidants. So antioxidant response system, it turns, it helps with inflammation. It turns on, what else? The detox, it's the best, basically NRF2 is responsible for phase two detoxification. And so there's a lot of things that are going on there. And so NRF2 is one of those systems that if you don't have it, you'll pretty quickly get sick and probably die. And so that's how important it is. And so what we did was we looked at, again, what happens to NRF2 if you have this amount of glyphosate that you can get in a meal. And what happens to NRF2 if you have amount of sulfuricin that you can get from our dose, so 10 milligram dose of broccoli. And so we should, again, 30% decrease in NRF2, which that may not sound like it's like, oh, that's not that much, but that's a huge amount. And that's because we think about, especially with detox, we think your liver is responsible for detoxification. Well, yeah, it does quite a bit of detox, but every cell in your body does detox. And glyphosate, that amount of glyphosate basically retards your, every cell in your body is ability to detox. So it's kind of the mother of all toxins because it makes every toxin that much more toxic because you can't get rid of it. And so anyway, those are some of the, and so basically with a broccoli, again, it brings it back to baseline and then if you don't, aren't exposed to glyphosate, it actually improves it around, around 30 to 40% increase in NRF2 activation. And so, so yeah, those are some of the things that glyphosate does. And we're excited that because everyone's exposed, because it's everywhere, we're excited to have another tool of the tool belt to be able to help. Yeah, so a little story about that. So five years ago, and I had actually had a mold exposure, so I was kind of toxic from that, but I was like, I'm 100% organic, my diet's super clean. I'm gonna check my glyphosate levels and I'm assuming there'll be zero. I was shocked when I got the results because I was at that time, 2015, they had a comparison. This was an older lab that was just doing it for public awareness, so it's no longer available, but on that particular test, they compared it to some studies of glyphosate around the world. And one of them was a comparison of farmers on application day after glyphosate exposure. So it was a pretty high level that day, they measured them. I was triple the amount in my years of farmers on application day. And I'm like organic, I'm like the organic Nazi, like I'm really, really careful about it. And so I had to really think, okay, here I am trying to do my best avoiding all kinds of non-organic foods and all corn and soy. Now I have two dogs and I have a condo, which so I don't take care of the landscaping. And I'm pretty sure that my dogs walking in the sprayed, and then they sleep with me. I think that was my exposure. And then shoes, of course I don't wear my shoes inside. There's all these little things. So I changed and since then I've come up with zero measurements since that time of knowing, but it was profound to me because even if your diet's really clean and you have dogs that walk on public grass that's been sprayed. And of course it'll kill the grass but around the trees where the dogs like to pee, they'll spray around the trees and it'll be brown and berry there. And if they walk on that and they sleep with you, I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing that was my exposure. And I was really shocked that someone who's so careful could have that high levels. So again, and it could have been from some past cause I grew up on the farm as well. So this is a big deal to all of you even if you think you're eating super organic, you're probably getting some exposure. Now I want to talk about the reason why I brought you on is because I have used sulfurefanes in my practice for a long time. I will tell you, as far as just plain old sulfurefanes, it's just like your experience with your wife. I was kind of like, ah, they're supposed to be good but I don't see a dramatic shift every time I use them. So to me, what your patented process is a big deal. And I had heard there's one other place in France that has a stabilized sulfurefane, but what makes yours different? Let's talk about why the stabilized form is really a big deal because I think this is a game changer. Yeah, so prostiphan is the one in France. They're really good. There's nothing to really knock about them. It's they're two different processes. They do a chemical extraction, so a solvent, a chemical solvent extraction. We don't, we do a water extraction. So that's one difference. And then ours actually, we talk about sulfurefane because it's hard enough to get people to understand what that is. Right. There's a whole potpourri of cousin chemicals in the various, well, yeah, in broccoli, but all that and the cruciferous family. So, excuse me, I'm my nemesis is a fruit fly, and I just keep seeing it. So anyway, the sulfurefane is in broccoli. And it's, and the reason we hear about broccoli and sulfurefane is cause it's the highest and it's the most well studied. And it's probably one of the most potent, if not the most potent of the family called isothiocyanates. And so, but in broccoli, there are also, or in our broccoli capsule, the supplement, there are five other isothiocyanates and they all work in synergy. So actually there is a synergistic effect. We also add, we extract a cousin chemical called phenethyl isothiocyanate, P-E-I-T-C is how most people with the science hear about it, but that's from watercress. And there's a, we did that because there's a study that shows, and we've shown this ourselves internally, but there's study published in the peer review that shows that sulfurefane plus P-I-T-C has a true synergistic effect. So one plus one equals three to five. Yeah, and so it's a three to five effect for, and the mechanism, I don't know exactly the mechanism, but it basically does all these things we talked about more. And so that's something that's a little different than prostiphanes, but it's also, if you're in the U.S., you can actually get our product without having to import and you shouldn't go onto our website and get by it. So it's much more accessible. But yeah, the other product is also stable. Okay, oh, this is amazing because at watercress I didn't know. And again, I knew there was something special. I know I'm gonna be recommending broccoli versus the regular sulfurefanes from now on. And the shelf stability is a big deal. Like you said, so this had to be quite a complicated process. And tell us a little bit more about that. Yeah, so, so, so every supplement that's a broccoli supplement on the market has the precursor chemical. And so it's actually not even sulfurefin. It's called sulfurefin glucosinolate, but the glucosinolate is the precursor. And so what happens is you have a head of broccoli and you start chewing it with that precursor chemical, which is called glucoraphanin, and it's stable. That's why people... That's why that's the other brands. That's the other brands because it's stable naturally. And so you chew it, you break the cell wall of the head of broccoli and through chewing, and it releases an enzyme called morosinase. That enzyme converts the glucoraphanin into the good chemical sulfurefin. You swallow it, then the amount of sulfurefin that you internalize gives you the benefit. You try to store that sulfurefin historically at degrades. And that's why it has to be on the market. And that's why that, again, 100% of the broccoli supplements on the market are these precursor chemicals. I've had physicians at conferences adamantly tell me that they have sulfurefin and 100% of the time I'm like, well, let's look it up. So we'll just go right there. And inevitably the sulfurefin glucosome late and I'll explain to them that that's glucoraphanin. And I mean, they're shocked. And one lady even start crying. She was so upset that as she's thinking, she's giving her pay and she knows what it means. It means that basically you can't... So basically with glucoraphanin, you swallow it on average, you get 10 to 20% gets converted into sulfurefin. But you have to have the right gut bacteria. So we have a hypothesis actually, Dr. Gilday, Zhang Gilday has a hypothesis that the people who need it the most actually don't have the right gut bacteria to convert. So it's possible not to actually get any benefit from taking a glucoraphanin supplement. Now, there is a lot of these companies will put the mericinous enzyme with the glucoraphanin. Again, it's an enzyme, it's basically a protein and likely it doesn't survive through your stomach acid because that's what protein proteins are digested. And so your stomach acid is designed to do that. And so anyway, I think it's more of a marketing ploy than the... So, and with the actual sulfurefin, if you take a sulfurefin capsule, it's been shown 70% gets in. And the percentage is important, but really what's most important is what's getting to the cell and does it have a biological effect? And so people who take broccoli typically feel the difference. And that's really, and that's so it's super easy to solve because they're like, oh my goodness, you know. And we actually have, we've had a number of testimonies where people have actually stopped it because it's not doing anything. And then after they stopped it, they're like, holy smokes, it was doing something, you know. And so, so yeah, most of our testimonies, you know, aren't about detox. People typically don't walk around and say, hey, I feel less toxic. But what they do say is, my joint was hurting and now it's not hurting. So we did a study internally looking at, well, how quickly does, if you take a dose of broccoli, does it actually work? Because it seems like it's working pretty fast. And so we did a three day study. We did look at IL-6, interleukin-6, which is upstream from NF-Kappa B, which is the molecule, it's the holy grail for inflammatory research with pharmaceuticals. COVID's all about IL-6, so this is very relevant. Yes. So IL-6 in urine, so we did a baseline on day one. We did a blinded placebo, day two, and then just one dose of the sulforaphon broccoli, sulforaphon day three. And so we looked at IL-6 and within 24 hours of taking the sulforaphon, IL-6 dropped 20 or 30%. Wow. So 30% decrease in IL-6 in 24 hours. So that's enough to, so you can actually feel it. That's a substantial decrease. And so most of our testimonials are from people who say, hey, my joints were hurting and now they're not, we had a lady email us and say, hey, I haven't been able to use my kitchen knives for years because my hands hurt so much, and now I can, and I'm just really blessed because I can make food for my kids now, stuff like that. And so I actually play guitar some, not a good guitarist, but it's more recreational. And I put it down for about six months, picked it back up. And I couldn't actually, this was before broccoli, couldn't play more than a couple of minutes because of my hands. And then once we had released the broccoli, it was taking it more and I realized, okay, this is actually, yeah, I'm able to do it. And so yeah, those are by far the most noticeable differences are in the pain levels from- Got it. This is great. I love hearing about IL-6 because I actually measure cytokines in a lot of patients. That's a big player for inflammation. So this makes a lot of sense. Now I'll frame it kind of the types of patients that I typically use. So hormonal issues, hormonal detox is a big deal with phase two. And so a lot of patients with excessive bleeding or PMS or excessive estrogen dominance, fibroids, I'll use dim, I'll use sulforaphanes and I'll use calcium deglucorate. And I wanna talk about the differences between those and then sulforaphanes, but I also wanna say cancer, like we started out talking about, this is always one of my arsenals for cancer because it's so profound. And I'm assuming it's the glucuronidation pathway, which is phase two of the liver. Is that correct? Yes. It's what, so, I'm sorry, can you say that? I'm sorry, yeah, the glucuronidation, that's the pathway that, I think it's a glucuronidation that pathway in the liver that's part of phase two that this can affect as well. If so, yes. Okay, got it, yeah. So basically just a review for you guys who are listening, there's phase, you know these toxic chemicals and even hormones and medications can be in that category, glyphosate, et cetera. And your liver is where we process that. And if everything's working, we can handle a load of chemicals and be just fine. So those chemicals come in phase one and they go to this intermediate. The intermediate is almost more, almost often more complex and toxic than the first thing that came in that process. So if you get stuck there and your phase two is really sluggish, you can actually become more sick, more toxic, more prone to cancer or disease because your phase two is slow. So the reason we're coming back to what's the deal with phase two, why would we use something like broccoli is because having that phase two run smoothly is incredibly important because if you're pushing phase one, drinking a lot of coffee, which increases cytochromes and your phase two sucks, you're gonna get stuck and you're gonna get more sick instead of better. So anything we can do to really support phase two is critical to overall health, to auto-immunity, to gut, to cancer. And this product, the sulforaphane is stabilized, works on that level. Yes, yeah. I like to talk about detoxification and toxicity mainly because, and sulforaphane because it works in all three phases. If you think of third phase is the binding and excretion but it's the best natural chemical at phase two detoxification and then it actually works in phase one by slowing it down, which is helpful if you think about it. So what you were describing, I've heard called the detox flu, basically you have, you feel like you're out, you're sick because of the various toxins that you have from phase one that have built up and you can't get rid of them. And so, it seems like everyone, and their brother have a detox formula and some of them may work fine, but the issue is they're not researched. And so sulforaphane, actually there's a whole body of research showing what it does in the detoxification. So that's where having it, we don't have to do the research on that. It's already been done. Just say, hey, we have sulforaphane and it does detox. And you have the only stabilized in the US form. This is so exciting to me. And what you're saying makes so much sense because again, that phase one up-regulated, phase two down-regulated, if it makes sense, what I just explained for those of you listening, that's the reason why it's an issue because you get stuck in the middle and the middle is more toxic than the first thing that came through. So it's a really bad place to be. And like you said, David, there is not a lot of things. There's maybe no other things that I know of that down-regulate phase one while up-regulating phase two. There's a ton of stuff that up-regulates phase one like coffee, which we all love. And there's all kinds of other things. That's a cytochrome pathway. So it's very easy to push phase one. That's not hard to do at all. The hard part is to slow that down so that phase two can keep up with it and that you can go all the way through. And then you mentioned phase three, which I love to talk about because that's all the gut. That's why this has such a profound effect on glyphosate in the microbiome because phase three is where we eliminate the toxins through the bile acids in the stool. And it sounds like broccoli affects that as well because it affects the microbiome in a healthy way. Absolutely, yeah. We have not done a rigorous microbiome study on broccoli yet, but we, yeah. But we will, so stay tuned. But yeah, but yeah, I feel certain that it does impact the micron and there may already be a paper out there. I'm sure if we look, that's another thing I love is there's so much research on it on sulforaphane's already out there. I'm just postulating in my head. I wonder, spore probiotics are real game changers in my world and they've been the real, the way they work. I really like the mechanism over some of the older probiotics and I'm just curious someday, it'd be fun to combine those and see if there wouldn't be a synergistic effect because I'm assuming this would have, often spores will help with the glyphosate as well. And I just, I don't know. This is just me purely thinking outside the box that there's some synergy there with the broccoli and spores. Yeah, quite possibly. So you have given us some wonderful information. I'm so, like I said, so excited to share this. I did include, for those of you listening here, a link so you can get a 27% off if you wanna check out the product. Is there any other? I know your website, broccoli.com has tons of information. Anywhere else where people can go is at the best place to find the research and the information. Yeah, that's a, it has quite a bit on there. BrockElite.com has a lot of information. Got it, and we've got a special code here. And again, when this is on YouTube, you will have the same code below. So if you guys wanna check it out, get your own. You can always call my clinic too because we'll be carrying it but I want you to be able to have access wherever you're at. And I just believe in what you're doing, David. Thank you so much for sharing your journey, for sharing your research and for just committing to this kind of level of science because it's people like you and I'm so sorry of the struggle and the difficulty and the loss that you've been through. But I know your wife is smiling down because this is such a game changer and I have such a heart for what you've been through because personally my experience with breast cancer. So I really, really appreciate you coming on and sharing with us. It's been my pleasure. Thank you very much for having me. You're welcome.