 Check it, check it, check it, this is your boy, E-CEO, and I'm here with the lovely, amazing official, Mr. Mako. What's going on? How you doing today? I'm blessed. Man, hey man, my boy's in the building, man. This guy right here, man. I got so much respect for, and he in town, so he come by, hey man, put it down for the home ground, man. I got a ride with this nigga on the panel, man. Pippa Ken, what's going on, man? Hey man, what's up, man? What's up there in the stuck there? Man, how are you doing, man? Man, you're looking like money as always. Well, you know, man, hey man, we do what we do, man. We try to always be an example. A lot of people, they talk their talk, but they don't walk their walk. We walk their walk and talk their talk. So we speak with two tongues, the one that I'm off and one that I'm off and one that I shoot. So we walk the walk, and we talk the talk. So we ain't going to talk that flat shit that we fly, you need? Man, so, man, you know, last time you was here, man, it went crazy. After you left, it was a lot of stuff that happened. It was all type of different scenarios, but the craziest one was the thing where they talked about the PMC, and at the end of the day, they turned the scenario. It was over millions of views on someone that was a negative narrative, actually, which we didn't even speak on here. They twisted the story and tried to make it something that it wasn't even spoke on to be here. And I love the way you went on the different platforms where you were at and spoke on it and just tried to clear it up in a way. So I wanted to talk about that a little bit because it did happen here. Well, it's only fitting that we actually pretty much cleared up here, because this where it kind of was the embryonic stage of where it happened. So first of all, you and I was interviewing, you was interviewing me, and we was talking about PMC. Correct. And Bo was, of course, he was talking, Bo Bo was talking, he was messing, I was talking about messing. It came out organically. Right. It was like no thing where we were just trying to get no cloud or, you know, it was nothing planned. So a lot of people don't understand that. And you know, first of all, PMC is my brother. Correct. It's a lot of stories that I can tell, you know what I mean? But I just don't, you know, it got to slip up. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I was, we was talking, I was talking to a guy the other day, he did an interview. He said, yeah, man, I heard somebody tried to put a hit out on you in Texas, Texas in Houston. I said they did, you know, with some famous rappers and this ain't no cap. They know who they is. They didn't say the name. Correct. But guess what happened? I took the pistol from the niggas, whoop, pistol whooped the niggas and called them niggas the next day. You know what I'm saying? Me and, and I seen the niggas ever since then. We cool now. Yeah. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? I mean, I did what I had to do. You know what I'm saying? And, and you know, like I tell niggas, you know what I'm saying? I mean, you know, first of all, you got to understand how it was G before I was peak. You know what I'm saying? So, so the point that I'm trying to mail. You're saying that you pistol whooped somebody. I didn't even know. No, no, no. Some niggas, some rappers, real big time rappers, and this ain't no cap. They know they is. They, they, they, they, it was, you know, I don't know if it was surrounding the PMC shit. Where did this happen? Houston, Texas. Okay. Like when? At the travel line. Okay. So these niggas, what they did, they, they, they kept trying to give me to come to this one club. And so I'm telling niggas like, they were from Houston? Huh? They were from Houston? No. The niggas from Kansas City. Okay. But they, they was plugged with the Houston niggas. And some niggas in Atlanta, you know, it was Atlanta and Houston niggas, you know what I'm saying? So, I, I tell niggas, no niggas, I'm over here at a Chris joint. You know, Chris, they got all the clubs and shit in Houston. You know, he used to have Harlem nights. I made a Chris club. I fucked with Chris. I made a Chris club. I said, nah, I'm fucking with Chris. I want to go to the other strip club. So the niggas, you know, they came and, you know, little niggas that did it, he dead now. Yeah. Little niggas out of Kansas City. He died. You know, I met his mom. It was just some real, some real lame shit. It was a Grammy. It was a Grammy shit. So he, he tried to pull me over. I mean, he tried to pull me to, he said, man, you know, you know, blah, blah, blah. And I said, uh, yeah, man, I said that, you know what I'm saying? And then he called, you know, one of the dudes, you know, one of, one of the rapper dudes manager and put him on the phone. And so they talking and shit, you know what I'm saying? And it's my man. So I'm like, yeah, that's my man. You know what I'm saying? All these niggas supposed to be my man. You know what I'm saying? So, uh, I, uh, I, I, I, I trusted this niggas. So he kept saying, man, let's go somewhere and chill. So we had two little, little stripper chicks with us. You know what I'm saying? I knew the chicks and they were my chicks, but I knew them. And they, they wanted the stripper chicks. I was like, okay. Well, you know, I arrived with you because I was like, not right with him and the strippers. I arrived with them because I knew him and he was in town. Yeah. So, uh, the homie, you know what I'm saying? He had a nigga with him. Like a little, you know, he, the niggas was acting real fitchy. You know, like he was me mugging a lot. You know, like he was building himself up to kill me. You know what I'm saying? You know, I'm, I'm a street nigga. So I'm, I'm peeping this thing. I'm like, this nigga is, this nigga is too, he's too jittery. You know, and the little, the little sister out of, out of Alton, Illinois, a brief, brief shirt, she was with me. She had verified this story. So, uh, you know, we, uh, we, we, we get to the, uh, first we put, put filler station, we get to gas station and the nigga, you know what I'm saying? He was looking, you know what I'm saying? I said, this nigga is acting extra. You know what I'm saying? And you ain't even addressed him at that point? No, because the nigga, I, the nigga that fat. Oh, I'm gonna say that. The nigga, the nigga, the nigga that did it, man, him was cool. I, I met his mama. You know, we was in Kansas City with children. You know what I'm saying? It was my nigga. You know what I'm saying? So I didn't even think nothing of this shit. And then, you know, the nigga that he put on the phone, you know, I, I did videos and shoot with these niggas. You know what I'm saying? I was cool with these niggas. So I didn't think these niggas. And then, you know, he had to. Because in situations like that. But these niggas, these niggas, these niggas have money. So I didn't think these niggas would be on no shit like that. You know what I mean? So, uh, uh, but we went to the little weed nigga house over at the projects before we went to, uh, Abrucia wanted some weed. So we went to the little weed nigga house. And this nigga here, this nigga here, man, he tell her that this y'all ain't gonna, she said we'll be back. She said, y'all ain't gonna make it back. But she didn't tell me this until after, you know, so, so let me get back to the story. So, so, uh, so, uh, so, uh, no, it's crazy, man. This is dumb. This is a boss. This is the crazy shit CEO. This is the crazy shit that ever happened in my life. So you know what I'm saying me? So I'm walking behind you, walking behind me. You know, you got the spirit. I just feel like this nigga for the shoot me in the back of my head. So we got in the room. We get in the room. Now I shouldn't have even came. It was a cheap ass hotel. I shouldn't. Everything. Everything told me. But I'm too, I guess I'm too gangsta. I'm too. I'm like, these niggas ain't gonna dare fuck with me. And I'm like, you know what I think that's been, you know, that's how I got shot and shit. A lot of times, you know, you know, I don't think they're gonna do nothing because, you know, I used to be the nigga doing shit today. Exactly. So you know what I'm saying? I don't feel, I don't have no fear of niggas. You know what I'm saying? So karma. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was karma. It was karma in a lot of ways. You know what I'm saying? But you know, so we get in there and him and Brisha go in the back. So Brisha walked out and did it like this. Like, I don't know what's up with this nigga. But the nigga fat up. Damn, man. So he put us, he, he go out to dope. Right? He left the nigga in there. So no bullshit. Yo, I'm thinking right because of all the shit. I mean, this is, this is why I give praise, you know, to the man above. To the man above because he prepared me. Yeah. He prepared me to not to trust his dude. Yeah. Everything his dude did, it was science. That's why I say science and symbols is for the conscious mind. That's right. So you know what I'm saying? And by calling this particular manager of another rapper, you know what I'm saying? A big rap time rapper. I'm like, you know, okay, that shit didn't make no sense. So we get in the motherfucking place. And so the nigga walk at the brisha did this. He walked past. All I heard was click, click. But the only now if he was there, click, click. And I didn't know what's on some bullshit. I'd be like, dude playing with a gun. But I'd already got it already prepared. And then I was going to kill. You know what I'm saying? I picked up it out. You know what I'm saying? The gun, the bullet went right past my grab. So I grabbed a grab on my other hand. Then you know, I did a little flip. The nigga got him on the ground. But you know what I'm saying? I was in I was in shock because I know if I was shot since I was holding the nigga there and brisha and the other chick, they was screaming. And I'm talking about we in a fucking hotel. Man, nobody come and knock it. It was a shot. So so once we get the nigga on the once I get on the ground, then you know what I'm saying? He was doing this. He was bending the gun. I was sitting there. I was, you know, just in some kind of weird. They tried to grab none and knock him out or something? No, no. I was shocked. No, I'm talking to girls. They was in the closet. They was hiding. They was in the closet screaming for their life. They getting out the way. They was screaming because they thought, you know, because, you know, the shit was real. So when I see the nigga put the pistol, I just laid on his chest and he pow, he shot again, missed me. Then that's when I went berserk. Then I pulled him, took the pistol. I pistol. I finished shooting him in the head. I said, you know, I said, I don't even want to go to this shit. So you understand me? I pistol. You got much of a conscious thinker during adrenaline. You know what I mean? Right. I'm a thinker. I'm not no regular nigga out here. I'm a real thinker. So you understand? I got to think about it. You understand? So I'm thinking fast. That's how I was able to get to. I couldn't die. I'm thinking, you know that I'm a chess player. So I'm thinking all the way through the whole process. So. So when I didn't shoot him, I called the nigga. I called the niggas. I said, yeah, you know, I ran with him. You know, he'll tell you, I mean, he know who he is. But you know, me help says, made up, you know what I'm saying? He a good nigga, you know what I mean? I did some crazy shit. I ain't gonna say who it was because they tell who it is. But I did some crazy shit. I said some shit. So you found out the reason why he tried to kill you? I know the reason why they were trying to kill me, because I was talking shit to a bunch of motherfuckers at one time. I was a bunch of rappers, you know what I'm saying? If you go back and you see that, you know, I was talking crazy 50 cents. I talk crazy Lil Wayne, I talk crazy TI, I talk crazy all the niggas. I was talking crazy because I said, they said that they trickin' if you got it. And I said, it is trickin' if you got it. And I said, y'all got a number one song pimping all over the world. Ludacris, you got a Pimp Squad, click TI, and you got a PIMP 50 cent. So I went off, which I was out of order. And I apologized to each and every one on many times. I said, I meant 50 cent actually called me. Remember Pimp Curly? Yeah, I don't know. But at Pimp Curly, that was a result of that. That was the joke that me and 50 did to kind of clean it up, you know? When did TI, did you ever get to talk to him about? I never talked to TI, but I talked to his manager. I talked to his people. I told him, I said, you know, I told him, I told all the niggas, like I talked to Booney. Booney was like, I said, Booney, man, I was just trippin', man. You know what I'm saying? You know, cause I was eatin' off the pimping, you know what I mean? Everybody was payin' me for intros and outro, so these niggas was talkin' about a trick that ain't got it. And I was like, no man, please don't do that. I didn't want them to do that. So instead of bein' a gentleman and comin' to them directly and breakin' it down to him, cause Nelly had pimp juice, you know, I was winnin'. Niggas was givin' me $8,000, $9,000 just to talk on CDs. So you know what I mean? I was tryin' to really defend myself, but I didn't know I was bein' offensive. So along the short, you know what I'm sayin'? You know, some shit came that way, and you know, like I said, you know, shit happened, and you know, like I said, man, you know. That's crazy, man, because, you know, bein' with pimp C and hangin' out with him, you bein' the type of guy you are and you and him bein' together, I can only, man, that creates somebody who want to kill pimp and candle. No, no, no, that's real crazy. I don't even, I don't even think the profile. You don't even put that kind of energy out there like that. That's what I was sayin', that's what was so crazy to me. Yeah, and first, the only thing I think about is the fact that they want to kill you over the stuff that you sayin', just words. But that's what, that's the way they are though. It's just what you say. But one thing them ladies can say is you understand me that, you know, I knew everything, but ain't no more for going to jail. Ain't no more for got no drama, ain't no more for got killed, nothin' about that shit. You know, I handle shit like a gentleman. I made a mistake, you know what I'm sayin'? Me, you know, they said they goons, I took the goon pistol, I hope they got a refund from that nigger. You know what I'm sayin'? And you know what I'm sayin'? I pistol whipped the nigger, you did what I'm sayin'? I called him, I vent, and I left it at that. You know what I mean? And they was like, man, you better watch them niggas. Let me tell you, I walked through Atlanta, all that shit by myself, you know what I'm sayin'? Them niggas, I didn't see them in plenty of time. You know what I'm sayin'? I ain't scared of them, they ain't scared of me. You know what I'm sayin'? Ain't no hold, they ain't no hold. We understand that, but at the same time, you know what I'm sayin'? I don't know why a nigger would want to kill Pim and Ken. That's why, that's the problem. Why would a nigger want to kill me? You know what I'm sayin'? Over some words, at the same time, it was a bunch of niggas said worse than me. Yeah, but then you, Pim and Ken, though. I'm sayin' but no, but I'm sayin' at the same time, you got these cups, y'all running around here, y'all really, really controlling that. People don't talk about that era, but that was a time when that whole movement, the pimp, ology and all that stuff, before even, I think Pimp C did pimp ology. When y'all was running around, when you did the stuff with 50 and all that, that was a whole movement. Dumb one, I remember that, man. But you know what though? Dumb niggas was doin' the same thing. They was all talkin' about each other and goin' at it, you know, 50 and Ross was goin' at the time. You know, Fat Joe and 50, you know what I'm sayin'? So I didn't do nothin' that nobody else did. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm sayin'? But the fact that, you know, but then one of my partners said, Ken, man, you know, you the only nigga out of all them niggas that's 1,000% street. Them niggas are 100% street, but you're a thot. So your world resonates. So I said, yeah, that might've made a little sense. You know, maybe them niggas probably feel that if this nigga say, you know, it probably gon' damage my career, it's gon' fuck up somethin', but I want everybody to know anybody that ever said something too, man, it would never meant to be that. You know what I'm sayin'? Like I said, I didn't have time, you know, to talk to the niggas, you know what I'm sayin'? They know who they is, we know who they is. They know what happened, we know what happened. I didn't talk to them, they know, man, I ain't know nothin'. What about you? You know, and the crazy thing is, I got a bunch of nephews and a bunch of sons and a bunch of niggas, they were kill niggas. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I can level blocks and shit, man. Yeah, yeah. I got GDs, Vice Lord gangsters, you know, my cousins, all them niggas and that shit. So I ain't on that shit. I'm on the piece for shit. That's why we started to hip off and turn to bring these brothers together, man. We tryin' to stop the violence. We tryin' to stop that wickedness and that killin', man, cause it's just, we die over petty stuff, man. I mean, I learned how to resolve without using pistols, but with words. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, when you look at Larry Hoover Jr., who's campaigning for the Get His Father Out, and he been on this show a few times, it's just like, for that whole, you know, thing that you just said about the hip hop fraternity, it matches with growth and development and the way that they're tryin' to basically push the narrative now, you know what I'm saying? Well, you know, my cousin, you know what I'm sayin', I don't wanna say his name, but you know, they can see, you know, he all on my Instagram, give me a shout. My cousin, you know, and you know, all of them, they was there when that shit started, man. They helped write the growth and development thing. You know what I'm sayin'? You know, the new concept, you know, 2015, 2019, you know, they all own that shit, you know what I'm sayin'? I know all about that shit, you know what I'm sayin'? Me and my cousin, Dagwood, we gon' be doin' the whole thing on his pops, you know, Ike Taylor, you know what I'm sayin'? talkin' about, you know, how that shit, you know, affected everything, and you know, when I was in the joint, you know, how a lot of them brothers, you know, when I was the grand chic, I was the head nigga, and a lot of the niggas, you know, I was the number one nigga in the penitentiary, you know, I ran the joint, you know what I mean? In their modes, I was a more American, so, you know, all the GDs and the vice lords, all them niggas was down with us, you know what I'm sayin'? They would come, you know what I mean? I stopped a lot of niggas from gettin' killed, you know what I'm sayin'? And we used to come through, we used to get them niggas, you know, zoos zoos and wham-whats, what we call it, the penitentiary, you know what I'm sayin' me? And, you know, and this was in the fairs. So, niggas come through, they from Chicago, they from Milwaukee, they from Ohio, they from the Midwest, and man, homie, come on over here with us. You know what I'm sayin'? I mean, you good, you know what I'm sayin'? And I was number 22. So, I always had a peaceful mentality. How do you feel about like the gangs, like, dude? We're here in a situation where gangs are relevant, like, they are here, they ain't goin' nowhere. You know, it started in my hometown mostly. How do you do something to sway the narrative because they don't have to be a bad perception on the fact that people joinin' together. Joinin' together is a gang. See, yo, hip-hop attorney. He's supposed to vice lord. Okay. Boogie Man. So, that helps, I get it. So, Boogie Man's a gangster. You know, Cheney was a motherfuckin' blood. You know, Clayboy was a motherfuckin' crib, nutty-bot crib. You know what I'm sayin'? Ease a motherfuckin' Pomona crib. So, we got Crips and Bloods. You know what I'm sayin'? We got GDs and vice lords in our organization. That's dope. And they ain't no fightin'. You know what I'm sayin'? So, it's on Facebook, it's goin' viral. It's a video we did showin' all of them comin' together. So, you know, my whole thing, right, being because, you know, I got cousins in Chicago that's vice lords and cousins that's a GD that's way up there. I had the privy to be around all of them. And I know it's just, it's not, it's not even got nothin' to do with gangs. It's got a lot to do with environmental pressure. It's got a lot to do with peer pressure. It's got a lot to do with economic, you know, I mean, depression, you know what I'm sayin'? It's a lot of stress in our communities. A lot of brothers is economically depressed. And, you know, like, when you're hungry, man, you know, don't nothin' make sense to you. But what I can't understand is, any time groups are designed, I feel like it's caused division. Because that's what we do what it is. If we all came together as a unit, as a one group to help this community, just like what you're doin' with- Hip hop fraternities. Hip hop fraternities, bringin' all of them together. But who implanted all of these different groups everywhere? Well, you know, you got to look at it, you know, psychologically, right? If you think about the GDs, they're six point star. You know, love, life, loyalty, wisdom, knowledge, and understanding. You know, vice lords and L. Rookins, love, truth, peace, freedom, and justice, right? We just talkin' about stars. Six point Jewish star. Five point Muslim star. Psychologically, we fight Muslims and Jewish wars and we don't even know it. Exactly. We don't know the symbol of these signs and how divisive they've been over the years. You know what I'm sayin'? This is a war that's been goin' on for years and somehow it has made its way into the black community. So black men are fighting wars. They don't even know what they fight for. And it's psychological. The five never loved the six. The Muslim never loved the Israelis and the Israeli never loves the Muslim. That's why you got the Palestinian, Palestinian and Muslim, Palestinian and Jewish conflict. It's psychological. Then you gotta think about it too. Initially when Huey Newton and H. R. Brown and Elvis Cleavage and all them brothers, when they started, the Black Panthers would never bought no gangs. They, you know, when I lived on 63rd Street at one time, the Black Stones used to be over there. Jeff Ford, all them, they used to have breakfast. After breakfast, you know, they had a program, a Larry Hoover, and they used to feed the kids. Because it was all about unity. It was positive. It was all about feeding the family, feeding the community, helping people. And that's what I don't like about these younger kids who are joining all of these gangs is they're just joining because of the name of it, not knowing why it started and where it came from. Go ahead. Okay, when you think about today's gang, right? You gotta think about Lil Wayne. That's what I was about to say. I mean, think about Snoop Dogg. You gotta think about, look, look, this is something. We interviewed Jeff Ford's grandson and Prince Amir. And he talked about pretty much, was it Kevin Gates? He said that he had used his grandfather's name and it's in the music, but he don't know him. And it was crazy to me because he was like, not only him, NBA Youngboy, so a lot of time, the hip hop scene cultivates and moves the whole narrative. Look when I was hot. Look how many times they used my name. Oh yeah, exactly. You know what I'm saying? My name nearly, man, my name been mentioned. I can just go past, what's the name, Project Pat. Man, I can just go, I mean, if my name, they use my lyrics, you know what I'm saying? LL Cool J, you know what I'm saying? Let your next movie, that's my stuff. You know what I'm saying? So they, you know, it's culture. So we are like the preems and the peptic masons and they talk about what's that dude named Alpo and you know, Rich, you know what I'm saying? All them guys, them guys were folk lords. They was ghetto folk lords. They was ghetto heroes. So you know what I mean? That's what we talk about when we in the barbershop. That's when we talk about we ain't no boss talk. You know, we talking about Larry Hoover. We talk about Jeff Ford. You know, we talk about, you know, Mickey Caldwell and all the rest of them. But it's good and bad when they talk about you because then like, if it's a case where, say, you've gotten older and you're not as relevant anymore, when these newer rappers are talking about you, it gets you back hot. It gets you relevant with a younger group of people. But it goes bad and good. The ones who are in prison, like Larry Ford, Jeff, Larry Hoover, Jeff Ford and so forth, when you have rappers who are talking about them and these men are trying to get out of prison and they're talking about them in a way where they're still in these gaps. They don't know. They don't even clue. They don't know these dudes. They weren't even born with them. Exactly. So it's more harm them than it's good for them. You see what I mean? It's like when Rick Ross did, I think I'm big meat Larry Hoover. It sounds dope in the club, but when a person trying to get out of prison, they don't want to go back to those thoughts no more. They don't want to deal with that. But you know what the sad case is that, people like myself and Larry Hoover and Jeff Ford, you know, we put that out in the atmosphere. My mom used to say, son, my mom used to say, son, don't speak it because you can't bring it back. So all the things that we did, especially into this society with social media and everything, you definitely can't bring it back. Well, everything we did is coming back to hunters. Malcolm X said the truth, the chickens coming home the roots. So you know what I'm saying? Everything that we did in the past, that's real, that when we was doing the build our image, because you know the first 30 years of a man's life is legacy, the next 30 years is dynasty. So after Larry Hoover and Pippa Ken and Jeff Ford, all of them hit the 30 year mark, it's about, you know, we're thinking about our children. We're thinking about generational wealth. We're thinking about how we're gonna lead son to our kids. So we don't have that same perspective no more. But, that legacy, that first 30 years is gaste. You know what I'm saying, yadda yadda yadda. So that's what you get left with. You know, like a lot of times, you know, I say this all the time, people say, Pippa Ken! I say Pippa Ken, not period, Pippa Ken comma, you know, founder, hip hop, attorney, Pippa Ken comma, author, Pippa Ken comma, literary agent, Pippa Ken comma, filmmaker. So people is putting, like, I got this from a TDJ. He said people put a period where they need to be putting comma. You know what I'm saying? And I think that that's the problem. You know what I'm saying? They need to be Larry Hoover, you know, comma, you know, political advisor. You know, he had gated and all of them, you know, anybody in Chicago know, they said gage to go to polls, you know what I'm saying? You know, Larry Hoover, you know what I'm saying? Me, mentor, philanthropist, you know, you know how many murders this man did stop? You know, you know how many people he said, man, let them make it saved a lot of people. You know what I'm saying? So we got to free Larry Hoover. You know what I'm saying? We got to free Jeff's for you. Because if America really wants to see a transition, if they really want to see something happen, they got to quick glorify the criminals. But how hard is it for you, and you're out here, you're not in prison, and these men are in prison, but how hard is it for you to change the narrative of your name when people see you and say, you know, Pippa Ken, they're not putting that comment and adding all of the things that you are doing now. They're still thinking about you as that person. I am a literary agent for one of the biggest companies in the world, CBS. I ain't never heard her name, one of the white folks up at CBS assignment, she said, oh, that's Pippa Ken. He's a pimp. It's all white women, all white women, one white man, we sitting down at the table, you know what they talking about? Oh, this is the marketing plan. Here's the strategy. We're going to hit you up with, we're going to put you on CBS, we're going to put you on the view. We just was having a discussion about ICT, but it just came out. I can show you the emails, they made, hey, we're going to put ICT on the view, we're going to put him on a late show. This is the conversation they have, they don't never address me as Pippa Ken. It's only our people. It's only our people because they, you know, I mean, it's that Uncle Tom mentality. You know, you remember slavery? So in slavery, you had the Uncle Tom, you know, the field nigga, the house nigga, you know what I'm saying? The house nigga Malcolm said was the nigga that had all the privilege. You know what I'm saying? He was, you know, he was a good nigga, you know what I'm saying? But the field nigga, you know, the master didn't like him. You know what I'm saying? The field nigga didn't like the master. So the field nigga said, if the house burned down, the house nigga would be like, oh man, we got to get the, we got to, we got to put this file. He said, we, he said, but the field nigga like, let that motherfucker burn, burn motherfucker burn. So you know what I'm saying? You know, you got field niggas out here. You know what I mean? You got house niggas who, you know what I'm saying? They scared. You know what I'm saying? They scratch where they don't inch, they bend where they don't have to bend. And they got this mentality that I can't embrace because if I do, you know what I'm saying? I mean, the powers that be ain't gonna like him. But the powers to be is the ones that fucking with Jay-Z. The nigga that used to sell all the dough. They fucking with all these other gangsters and killers and shit out here. You know what I'm saying? All these niggas, you know, they said, whatever they said about him, but they was getting money with him. They ain't kidding. People don't care about knowing what you do or what you did. You know, as long as you're not doing it now and it's making sense and it's making dollars, let's do it. You know what I'm saying? Black folks don't, Black folks don't have that perspective. I wanna ask you about ICT and that FFH dealer that I wasn't invited to, that I'd love to be there. He was invited. I told you to come on to the U.S. But you said, every move I make, I can't move, I make, I can't move. I'm so sick nigga, I seen y'all, y'all looking good, man. I said, man, these niggas is looking good. He jumping out of the nice Rolls Royce. I said, man, damn, I missed it. Tell me about how that was. It seemed like you had a great time. It seemed like you named him as head of hip hop fraternity. Really, you wanted the head. He's the ambassador and advisor. Ambassador and advisor. He was one of our first members. Wow, so just. We're running here at 30 members. Talk to me about it. He was the 30th member. Talk, how y'all put that me together and what it was all about. Okay, so Richie Rich, NPR, Richie Rich, NPR, PB Pluto, H2O, Cash and Supreme. We got the All-Star, Megastar, we got the tour. So we all on tour, you know, Wild Neck joined the tour. So, you know, we on our way to New York. So I said, Ice-T, you know, we shooting the movie. So I said, I got to get one more scene. He said, what's the scene? I said, the scene that you signing a book for Richie Rich, NPR, Richie Rich. So he said, all right, man, come on. So we brought the camera crew and everything. And so I sang and bring that many people. He said, I said, fuck that. He said, bring all of them. I'm time taking everybody to dinner, man. Fuck that shit, kid. So Ice-T told me to bring everybody. So he said, I said, y'all, guess what we going? They said, where we going to dinner with Ice-T? You know what I'm saying? Man, they was elated because you got to remember, Ice-T, man, got, what, 25 seasons now? And, you know, he was one of the founders of West Coast Rap and Gangster Rap. Yes, he was. So, you know what I mean? He's an iconic figure. And I'm young people, man. You know, me seeing, I've been around him all the time. But them young people sitting around him, man, I'm just looking at the face. He lit up. Cash, you know, Jet Boy Cash was there too. They were so elated, man. And all they kept telling me was, thanks, Ken. Thanks, Ken. And I kept saying to Ice-T, thanks, man, because you really made these people a day. And if you notice, everything we asked him to do, you know, the drops, the commercials, he did all that, he didn't charge me a dime. But a lot of people don't know is that me and Ice-T got a movie company. You know what I'm saying? It's my company, but he's a part owner. And we doing, this documentary is called The Making of Autobuggery of Celebrity. So we actually documenting all of the book deals that we do. And Ice-T, you know, he's one of my business partner. He's an equity partner and that, you know what I'm saying? So when I go and negotiate with Netflix and all those people, you know, a lot of people don't know. I'm really a business, man. I mean, see, a lot of things, they all didn't think about us, but they don't know, man. We got a lot of me and all the deals on the side. You know, Richie Rich, you know, he's up there meeting with all these record labels, you know what I'm saying? You know, we got 14 chapters and 14 states, you know? I mean, we all business, you know what I'm saying? Hey, you don't understand that. All that stemmed from being that fast thinker that you said you were from even when you were in the streets. Being a fast thinker, you saw the way how the error has changed and the way how money flow has changed and you had to get on it and you're like, okay, how can I get in this? How can I help? How can I do this? How can I do that? No, actually, when I did Pimp, So, Holds Down in 1995, I was a fast thinker. Now let me tell you something. I was at a player's ball, had my mink on. I'm popping shit. Some dude put cameras just like these cameras in my face. Hey, man, get the motherfuckers out of my face, homie, what's up? How we HBO? Y'all who? We college, man. I said, look here, y'all do whatever the fuck y'all got to do in this motherfuckers Chicago, but man, I got some real shit popping off in Milwaukee. Why don't y'all come to the meal, fuck with us, right? Cause I knew you understand me, we was going to take everything out of Chicago for the meal. So they came to Milwaukee and I knew Niggas in Milwaukee was really pimping. You know what I mean? They was really doing, they was about their life. So when they got to Milwaukee, I cut a deal that was so sweet. I said, the movie got to end with me, which you know it did. I said, my credit, my name got to be in the credits which it was. And I said, I got to get more money than everybody. Which I did. And I said, I want to be the concern for the film. So all of them scenes you see in Vegas and all of them, I was with them. So they was paying me all the way. And I said, one more caveat. I said, I want to make sure that I can shoot my movie at the same time. So I had to buy cameras like this. And we were shooting the movie Pembology at the same time. So actually it always been in me because you know what I'm saying, my partner, they wanted him, JD, they wanted him to be on a cover. So he told him, he said, man, give me a penny for every cover. You know what I'm saying? And that's just how we always stop. You know what I'm saying? Me and him, we just, we was always fast. You know, we were some young dudes, but we was always sharp, you know? So that led me to getting deals with Script Master, with Southern Music Distribution, you know, working with, you know, a lot of people in the business industry. So that business side of me, you know, then you have to remember when they came, they was coming to my store. I had a store in downtown Milwaukee, a clothing store. You know, because everybody said, can you dress so nice? So I just, you know, and I had a grocery store too, you know, up on the east side where I'm from. So, you know what I'm saying? I always had that business sense about me, but, you know, one thing about me, I wrote, that's what my book is, The Art of Human Chest. My mind is more so, like, I play the board. If he slapped me, this interview gonna end differently. But as long as he talking to me, I'm in it. So I don't know what he gonna do. If he asked me a weird question, you know what I'm saying? I don't know what he's gonna ask me question, but I play the board. So whatever, you know, it's like chess, you know, his move, my move, I'm gonna let my move, my next move will always be my best move. You know what I'm saying? And like, even when I'm trying to down me and say that I, Beyonce and somebody had a mixture as a take. They kept on talking about that. Yeah, they was trying to make it look bad. I turned it into a positive. Definitely. It gave me an opportunity to go and promote hip hop fraternity. Correct, correct. You know what I'm saying? And that wasn't intentional. Y'all was the one who was doing the interview. So, even though it was a negative, I turned it into a positive. No, I liked the way you handled it. Yeah, that's just how my mind works. You know what I'm saying? I liked the way you handled it. Reaction to your wife's question. You called me and everything and we talked about it. People don't know, man. Like, we care about pimps and legacies. We're not here trying to, nobody won't even do all that. But like I said, I showed you would send me things, I would send you things, just saying here's the false narrative that they're trying to paint. And then also people that are on the outside. They're gonna probably do it by themselves. People tried to come out on the outside, bigger brands that been around longer than I have, and say, oh, you heard about the Pimp Again. No, man, this is Vlad, Vlad, Vlad. I didn't want to just name him, but it wasn't just me, but it was others who used that too. I wanted the first dudes that ever was over Vlad when he first came out. Oh, he was over Vlad? I was over Vlad, I have like 10 million views. Wow. You know what I'm saying? How many times have you been on Vlad? I was only one time. Okay. So, and the last time I talked to Vlad is when he was interviewing Grady in Atlanta. So I came in the middle of the interview because you know, he don't interview for real, he interviewed behind the camera. So it came in the interview, it was over Vlad, then I called him and I said, what's up, man? I said, man, you know, where you gonna have me on the show again? He said, he said, I'm thinking about it. He said, I got a busy schedule. So when he asked Boosie, you know, about the Pimp Again, he should know I know Boosie. I just said, if he's seen that interview, he's seen all the other interviews saying that, you know, I got Boosie a book deal. So you know I know Boosie, and you know I know you Vlad. I mean, don't act like I'm a stranger. I knew you before, you know, all these guys knew you. So all you had to do was call me and that's why I put on the Instagram, Vlad. Y'all took Vlad to call me and he asked me about the tape. Exactly. I would give you, you don't ask Boosie, why would you ask Boosie about some tape? You know what I mean? He didn't have it on his, it was on the platform that he was centralized with that. I mean, it had nothing to do with nothing. Okay, so you did one interview with him before a long time ago. Is there anything that happened between that interview and now where, I was kind of going crazy back then. I don't want to say what happened, but I was going crazy. I knew it must have been something. You know, I mean, you gotta remember, you gotta remember, I've been paying attention most of my life. Right. I'm a little gangster. You know what I'm saying? Niggas that really know me, I could be aggressive, you know what I mean? Sometimes I push up on niggas and I, you know what I'm saying? If I see, you know, niggas, you know, whatever, you know what I mean? I'm not just that, you know, I'm not that regular. Dude, they didn't tell you. I'm 50 a year, I still, I'm still that way. You know what I'm saying? I don't play, I don't tolerate no sucker shit, I don't tolerate no weak shit. Right. So I'm coming, if I see you being weak or you tripping, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a confront you. You're aggressive. You know what I'm saying? So I may do it the wrong way and I think about it, I said, damn, man, what the fuck? But you know, it can come out. But you say you do apologize cause you apologize to T.I. and you apologize when you said what you said, about the pimping back in the day. You know, kind of pimping back in the day. So was it a thing where you maybe needed to go back to him and apologize for something that you did or said? I obviously don't know what it was because I actually, I tried to talk to him. So if I did anything wrong to Vlad, which I doubted. But Vlad, if I did, I apologize, man. If I did something wrong, I do remember calling you one time and I was a little aggressive and I apologized for that. But it wasn't no disrespect. You know, it was just, I guess I was trying to get in contact with him and he was busy. And I was like, you know, woo woo. I even did the IHT, I texted the IHT and I was on the thing. I said, nigga, what's up? Why you ain't answering my call? It just, it's just a little, you know, sometimes I get a little, you know, irritated and you know what I mean? Like I said, you know, I might respond to shit the wrong way. But it ain't intentional. You know what I mean? It's like, it's like, you know, like I said, you know, it's weird. It's a weird way to explain it, but it's like, you know, when you're in the joint and you come up in the penitentiary all your life, you see weak niggas, you know what I'm saying? You gon' purse some more. You know what I'm saying? So you know what I mean? Or if a nigga see you weak, they gon', you know what I'm saying? So it become a penitentiary response. It's like a penitentiary response. It's not an intelligent response. So sometimes people see me reacting as a penitentiary response. Just like what I said, you know, that almost got me killed. It was a penitentiary response. It wasn't no, you know, like, man, no real thinking, man. But you know, that just come, but it'd be a madness. And it'd be a response at the same time. I don't know if you experienced what I'm saying. No, no, I get it. It's like, you're mad and you're responding. That's the wrong time to respond. It's not the right time to respond. And I think I kind of, when you think about Vlad though, you know, like I said, he deals with most of the majority of the culture with our people, man. So I mean, you know, it probably ain't something that you guys, he had to get past that though. CEO, can I ask you a question? How do I mean? Out of all the people Vlad interviewed, you know, Dirk and Bishop and all the people, don't y'all find it kind of strange that he interviewed me? I'm the most, no, I'm serious though. Let's be real. I'm the most, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm the most, you know, a quip dude at what I do in the game. You know, I know these guys is top of the game. You know, leaders of the games and you know, ex-drug dealers and all that. I mean, I didn't been on 40 million records. You know what I'm saying? I got books and shit. You don't think that I'm not relevant to interview Mr. Vlad in 2022. And all the people that you interviewed collectively, I got more views, more exposure than all of them people collectively. So you know what I'm saying? It's something. Yeah, the thing that I'm saying, if it's a problem, let me know. But I'm just saying, you know, I wouldn't never, I ain't never addressed this issue until he asked Bootsy. He opened a can of wine. He would never ask Bootsy, you know, like almost like I was lying. You know what I'm saying? So all I said, you know, Vlad, talk to me. Talk to me, you know what I mean? Come to me and ask me some shit. Don't ask no Bootsy shit. If you want to be in this street shit, you want to fuck with black folks, you want to fuck with black culture, then you got to know how this culture go. We don't do that type of shit. You don't ask no motherfucker about another motherfucker. You come to that nigga, you ask that nigga, hey man, what's up? Otherwise you're discounting me and you're making me look like I'm not real. And anyone fucking knows, they know Pimp C was my best friend. I ain't going to be up here lying. And like I said, I'm on the show where it should happen. And you should know that you'll send me, we ain't bullshit, you know what I'm saying? His wife is here out here. It wasn't me meant to come out. It just came out. That's the way it go. And if he's a real journalist, which he is, he should be able to read between the lines. That's right. Even if you look at the Bootsy interview, Bootsy said, He wouldn't have ever showed me. No, no, no, no, no. Bootsy said, yeah, I know Pimp can. Yeah, I don't. They watched the cut away. You know how I make movies. Yeah. So it's a cut away. So we don't even know what Bootsy really said. Yeah. Bootsy might have said something like, man, I fuck with Ken or Ken my nigga, whatever I really fuck with Ken. But it wasn't bad because it was bad. It would have been a talking point. It would have been a clickbait. He would have used it. Yeah, he would have used it. You know what I'm saying? So the thing I'm saying, I was at Bootsy house, what? About a week ago? Yeah. I had to go to his house on Monday. Okay. He got to sign these book things. So you know what I'm saying? He talked to Bootsy all the time. He know, and he see the interviews. He saw, he know me and Bootsy cool. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He know, I was there when Pimp C, Bootsy would tell you when Pimp C signed them. When they was all there. You were there? Man, I was right there with all of them. We used to be at the studio, all of us. When Bootsy was a baby, I've been to Bootsy first house in Baton Rouge. I know these niggas like, man, I'm not just some regular nigga. I know Bootsy. You know what I'm saying? I've been in these niggas' houses. I know their mamas. I know their kids and shit. I know Pimp C. I know all these people, man. I know all these people, 50 all of them. So you know what I'm saying? I fucks with these people. I done been in many circles with these people. Puffy all of them. So I ain't just no regular nigga. No. That's what I'm saying. Any motherfucker that ain't interviewing Pimp C can in 2022. It's a land place. And the crazy thing, I didn't brought some culture, some new culture. I created history. Hip hop attorney never in the history of hip hop have it been an organization when people came together. And there ain't no fights. We had no fights or arguments. And brothers working out. Got two of the biggest independent artists in the country that I managed. That's on my board. Rich is my president. Five million followers. P.B. Pluno. He's my vice president. Almost a million followers. And I'm not relevant. No. I'm not relevant to this coach. I done been on 40 million records. I done worked with everybody in hip hop. But you can't interview me. But you interview all these other people around me. And you understand me. But the only time you mention me. Bring your name up. Is it a delicious way? Come on man. That's crazy. Vlad, you know what I'm saying? That shit ain't cool, man. A lot of people don't care. Man, a lot of people don't care. Come on, we're inside of that Vlad, man. They be like, man. But you know what? But everything got in the way for a reason. And one thing you always would say. I don't want nobody who don't want me. Yeah, I always say that. No, but you know what? Me and Vlad, I thought we was cool. I'm telling you, the problem is not. The problem is not. Vlad, the problem is why would you mention my name to a nigga that I'm cool with? You know what I'm saying? We business partners. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? I don't say, hey man, fuck Vlad, or hey man this and hey man that. You know what I'm saying? You shouldn't have brought you up. Yeah. If he wasn't going to talk directly to you, I hear what you're saying. You want to talk to me if you're going to talk about me. Yeah. Yeah, because you know already what level I'm on and what you say could be somewhat brushing up against what I do. So don't do that. And then make him believe it. I don't even think he think I'm weak or something. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I can say this if I ever can. Dude, I'm the most dangerous motherfucker out here. You know what I'm saying? You know all the mother niggas, they talk that shit, but you know, everything a phone call way away from me. You know what I'm saying? They God, I'm humble. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. So you know what I'm saying? They talk to, you know, you can't talk about kids like I'm some piss ass nigga. No. You know what I'm saying? You can't ask no niggas something about me like I'm a sucker. Because you know what I'm saying? I fuck with all the killers and the gangsters. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They all fuck with me. They don't push you. You know what I'm saying? You see a bunch of young killers around me. You know what I'm saying? We rally and I'm changing their motherfucking lives and I'm putting them on some positive. Do you think? You know what I'm saying? That's a real reason though a lot of time people will kind of, because you know, people, I hate to say it. They'd rather see us at each other's throat than to see us trying to really come together and help our people. See that's what Damon Daz was saying. That he's a culture vulture. That's why Damon Daz is a culture vulture. Why would you try to create division within the black community? You know what I'm saying? Why would you be defensive? You know what I'm saying? Why are you saying, hey man, Pippa Ken, say that Pippa T got to, have you heard about that? Why would you ask Pippa Ken? You know what I'm saying? So now Boosie, he know Boosie goes off. So now he want me and Boosie to be at odds and me and Boosie having differences in shit because Boosie might say something and be like, hey man, woo woo woo woo. You know what I'm saying? Now you know what I'm saying? Me and Boosie tripping. You know what I'm saying? When you could have just asked me. Now that's real. So I knew that it was malicious. You know what I'm saying? He can say what he wants to say. I talked to him, I talked to him about six months prior to him asking Boosie a question. I looked at him on camera. I said, what's up, Vlad? He was interviewing Grady. Grady can verify this, the dude that played Biggie. So I'm not, you know, Steve Ode from Infinite Record. I'm not lying. See, Pippa Ken, the real motherfucker, everything I say, I go back up. You know, like I said, them niggas try to kill me. You can call them niggas there. You know, them niggas verify that. You know what I'm saying? They'll tell you, that dude a kid about that life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You one of the guys, man, like I said, for the culture I look up to, I love all the things that you've done. I think it's a lot of times people don't look at our people. Some of you said early in this interview about bringing people together. You know what I'm saying? Like how you brought all of them together. How y'all all went up and seen Iced tea. Like it's stuff like that. I did in the penitentiary. But it's stuff like that, that people try to look away to all black people that can't get along. You show proof that black people can come together with the right person. Can I say something? Can I say something that your audience need to say? I ain't trying to cut y'all. No, go ahead. Listen, man. You had East Coast versus West Coast. Yeah. Death Row versus Best Bed Boy. Yeah. They'll limit cash money and so on and so forth, right? You had all these record labels, you know, Dipsat and Rocker, you know, JZ. Yeah, JZ. All this stuff going on. You know what I'm saying? That's divisive. It is. Why do you think the word hip-hop and fraternity, I can show you, I got the trademark. They just officially approved it today. I've been fighting for it for two years. Why do you think it was available? Because they never intended for niggas to come together. You know what I'm saying? I mean, all those executives up there, they feed our children debauchery and filth. You know what I mean? They let them talk about everything. They let them talk about killing. They let them talk about games. They, you know, they promote games. Like they get a little Wayne 300 million for putting a tattoo on his face and a red, red, red rag in his pocket. They get a Snoop Dogg, hundreds of millions of dollars to the screaming Bloods and Crips. I mean, screaming Crips. But you know what I mean? They don't know that that's affected our children. You know what I'm saying? Nipsey Hustle said to himself, man, Snoop, the reason why I wanted to be a Crip. You know what I'm saying? This brothers out here, they Bloods because Wayne is a Blood because everybody else that's rich is Blood. So remember when we was young, we wanted to be- Crips? No, we wanted to be- When we was young, we wanted to be Dr. J. Yeah, Dr. J. You know what I'm saying? Erd Julius Erdman, Muhammad Ali. Charles Barkley. Charles Barkley? No, not Charles Barkley. So now these kids, they see these rappers rich and having a way, they want to be rich. So they say, okay, to be, get a hundred million. I got to put a tattoo on my face. I got to go to jail. I got to, you know, shoot up the block. I got to shoot the opposite. This is the narrative that's been fed, you know, from the top down. But I know you're telling the truth cause when I said people want to be Crips, it was a time when Snoop and them first came out, everybody was trying to be on that Crip wave. And then now once, once, once a little Wayne, like you just said- Everybody want to be Bloods now. You notice that whole wave, I seen the whole wave change to everybody want to be Crips at first. And then, then they tried to be Bloods. And you look at- I'll make that way. After hip hop. After hip hop. But if you look at them, look at the kids, man. They look so innocent. Yeah. They straight killers. These are kids we used to be like, you know, we used to see them walk. And we're like, oh, that's, that's Lil' Johnny. He's a good kid. I mean, clean cut, you know, nice looking guys, you know, look like they got a future like, you know, life going to do them well. And they just straight killers. Straight killers. You know what I'm saying? And they don't respect no older, even if you were street when you was younger and you come back, they're like, who are you? They don't know you. They don't care, but they don't do respect. I kind of beg you. They respect me. That's what I was about to say. Certain leaders that get in position that they look up to because they know the foundation was built correctly. When you can relate to a pimp and kin who have been locked up, who have been in these situations, they don't respect that because they don't have problems. But they know that. So all the young kids know you. No, the one that he's been around. Listen, if you walk with me through the mall or around some young people, you will be totally apart. These young people, we go to big teas right now. I'm talking about from 18 to 80, they love me. You know what I'm saying? Because they know I'm real, mommy. You know what I'm saying? I'm a real dude. I'm different. You know what I mean? I don't act Hollywood or Hollywood. You know what I'm saying? I'm just different. And God just blessed me with a good spirit, man, to never try to, you know, because I always believed that your ego is your worst amigo. Let me say this. Lil' Ronny said when he was on here that he used to, man, I used to go there and see pimp and kin, meet show, meet someone's love. We met man at Big T. Am I stoked? Man, he loved it, man. He brought you up on the show. Another kid, I talked to a kid earlier today, a youngster, 3G Slash. She said, man, we was at South by Southwest in 2017, man. I dropped my necklace, man. We was running. I gave him back to him. He said, if pimp and kin gave me that necklace, man. I gave him back to him, bro. I said, he said, man, he probably on, he remember. Yeah, I remember, man. I remember. I remember. I'm serious. I remember. Slash, Slash, he gave me my necklace. It was like a little dough boy. It was a dough boy. That's my boy. That's my boy. That's it. Yeah, so, you know, there was some shooting this Sunday. That's what it was. And the niggas just ran out and the girl, she fell and she grabbed his chain and it fell out. So I chased him down. I said, man, no, you lost your chain. And probably worth about $40, $50,000, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? It ain't got nothing to do with me trying to get. Cause I didn't know he was gonna say this. This is a few years ago. No, yeah, I told him. That's good. That's cool for you to, cause some people would have seen our fellin' ticket and pocketed or ticket and sold or whatever. And you ran after him and gave it back to him. A lot of people wouldn't even do that. I can't, you want me to tell you how many murders I didn't stop? You know what I'm saying? How many niggas I didn't, you know, I didn't, I didn't save. You know what I'm saying? I mean, niggas I didn't care from getting stabbed in the penitentiary. See, they don't know these things about me cause I don't want no credit for them. You know, that's why the people that's my friends that's been down with me, they still cool with me. I don't have a jealous bone in my body. My partner, he got a man out of a property. We was on the phone today. My man JD, I'm studied prison. I'm like, bro, you doing good, man. Woo, woo, woo. And he wanna hear. He don't wanna hang up because he said, damn, it's a nigga that they hate. You know what I'm saying? Damn, I always tell them good stuff, man. You know, you gotta keep, you know, even when they go crazy, I tell them, man, listen. I said, man, dude, you fucking up, man. You know what I'm saying? Quit talking to motherfuckers. Everything you see behind my back gonna come back to me. I said, don't trust these motherfuckers. They gonna put you in the twist. So, you know what I'm saying? Instead of saying, nigga, fuck you. I don't fuck with you no more. I'm addressing the situation. Like, bro, I understand. I know you didn't meant that shit. Muffers will talk to you, they'll get you caught up in some shit. And next thing you know, you talking and you don't really realize that you're gossiping and you're participating in another haters affair. This nigga's a fucking hater. But he got you, yeah, you know. And you know, like, I got a thing I'm gonna do called Little Dude and Little Mama. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people got the Little Dude and Little Mama complex. So Little Dude, right, he's a rapper. You know, he get out there, you know. He got a successful song. You know, he blow him up. The DJ's playing this music. The nigga get all the way to, you know, Hot 97. You know what I'm saying? He didn't go shoot up the block. You know, Little Dude complex. You know, self-sabotage. You know, Little Mama, you know what I'm saying? I mean, you know, she been messing with crazy niggas all her life. You got three, four baby daddy. You know what I'm saying? I mean, she meet a gentleman at the mall. You know what I'm saying? Who compliments her and tell her how beautiful she is. And then he started taking her out to eat. He start opening the door for, you know, he doing all the men thing that women talk about men don't never do. What she do? Baby daddy call her. You know what I'm saying? Me for booty call. She go get a booty call. You know what I'm saying? And now, you know what I'm saying? He's tripping. And now Little Mama that self-sabotage and she ain't with this dude no more. I got two questions for you. The first one is you go through a lot of situation. You have a lot of people who have bit you in the back over the period of time. How do you learn how to trust somebody again? Do you trust anybody around you? Well, you know, I gotta say, most people started to feed me and they bit your throat. You know, whoever can do you good can also do you harm. Where there's the least appearance to even expect the greatest amount of danger. That's my principle. So me having that understanding, I got what you call the 25% bullshit. You know, I get everybody 25% of bullshit. You can bullshit me up to 25%. You get past 25%, you know what I'm saying? I mean, you know, bad news might beat you home. You know what I'm saying? So you know what I'm saying? I mean, you know, let's keep it at a minimum. You know what I'm saying? But don't try to go too far, don't go overboard with the bullshit. So you know what I mean? Even with women, you know, I did with women, I expected certain amount of bullshit. You know, I mean, I know I'm not meeting you. I'm meeting your representative. This is not really you to make up and you know, all that stuff is all that. But you know, when it comes down to it, you know what I'm saying? You know, you're living on three cans in the 40 ounce. You know what I'm saying? You got 90 kids. You know what I'm saying? You know, your refrigerator, your house is dirty. You know what I'm saying? So you know, you can expect that. But when you see in the club, you know, she looked like Miss Universe. You know, she looked like, you know, like she needed to be in Look Magazine. She looked like her mom should have had triplets. She's so fine. But you know what I'm saying? When you really meet the person and the same thing with these dudes, everybody came in, I died for you. I woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. You know what I'm saying? I remember one time, this person, man, this I was, I shouldn't say this. I hope they don't take it the wrong way. But this young lady was saying, Daddy, that's when I was, Daddy, I love your pimping. You know what I'm saying? I said, you don't love my pimping. She said, Daddy, I love your pimping. So I said, okay, come on. Let's do this at the Harvard Johnson. Come on, let's go out to the swimming pool. So I said, I grab about the hair and I put the hair in the water. I said, baby, what you love? I love your pimping. So I put the hair in the water again. She said, I said, baby, what you love? Hair, motherfucker! Hair! I said, hair, baby, you crazy, motherfucker! Baby, you crazy! I said, yeah. I said, don't tell me you love it. Oh, I got to get in here. No, the one more question. My last question for this moment is, can we do a segment called Prison Confessions, right? And you were talking about things that you had done in prison to separate people from getting killed and stuff like that. Give me one instance that when you were in prison, that you helped someone. Well, I give you one where I almost got killed. Okay. So this is a confession. A lot of people don't know this how it became part of the more science tip. Daddy, how many times you almost got killed? Well, you know, you in this game, you gonna get killed almost. I can get killed as soon as I get walked out this door. We in the streets, you know what I'm saying? This shit, the streets don't love nobody. You get killed by accident, but niggas trying to rob you, niggas mad, because the bitch like you, you know, it's all kind of shit, niggas will kill you for. So I'm in the joint and I'm going, I'm in the face. This is my first time ever in there. You know what I'm saying? So, and I'm at MCI Chicago. So this dude, he grabbed a phone and he said, yeah, man, it's the mold phone. The Morris, you know, the Morris, the Morris Science Chamber, this day phone. So, you know, when I come from the state joint, Green Bay and Walpaw, you know, when the niggas do that, that's the challenge for you. Whoop his ass or him to whoop your ass. So, you know, I'm thinking this nigga want a box. Okay, like niggas, cool. You know, I had good skills. You know, I'm ready to throw him with him. You know what I'm saying? So I really use the phone. I'm like, yeah, nigga, you know, come on, nigga. We feel it, nigga, I'm for to show these niggas, you know what I'm saying? There ain't no harm in my blood, nigga. I'm for to make my name off your bitch ass. You know what I'm saying? That's how I'm thinking, right? And then a OG named Penitentiary Sam, may he rest in peace. Everybody in Milwaukee know who he is. Penitentiary Sam said, man, you know, he does like the, man, you fucked up, man. That was the mold, man. Let me tell him I'm killing you, right? I said, nigga, what'd I do? Oh, a phone? You know what I'm saying? I didn't know how the fairs work at the time. I was like, this is crazy. These niggas for to kill me over a fucking phone? So I said, who the leader? He said, brother named Ross Bates. I want the Ross Bates. And I talked to him. I said, well, you know, what the fuck is going on, man? I mean, you niggas chipping him out of the phone. And then he got to talking. He said he was from, he's from Gary, Indiana. So we talking and, you know, I'm laced. You know, I got a lot of games. So we popping and he liked the way I talk. He said, you little slick little young nigga. You know what I mean? And he said, damn, nigga, I fucks with you. So you understand me? That's how we got cool. He said, man, you need to try this out. So he gave me what they call a holy Quran in circle seven. It's not the real Quran. It's, I guess, the most real Quran. It's a circle seven. So I'm starting reading it and stuff. And I started going to the little meeting because then that was the only way you can get out of the door. Okay. So, you know, because, you know, they go to the chapel and meet. So it was a way for me to get out of the door because, you know, I definitely wasn't going to go to church. Right. You know, because church was like a taboo. You know, niggas didn't go to church. You know, they would say the niggas, they were soft. So, you know, you can go to the mosque or you go to the nation of Islam or you go to the more simple thing. So I went to that shit. And I became a more. So, you know what I'm saying? That's crazy. You soft if you go to church. Well, you know, you know, brothers and church friends like brother, I love you and Jesus love you. You know, the nation of Islam, the white man is the devil and yadda, yadda, yadda. You know, and the Muslims, you know, they real boys and gentlemen like, and you know, they all stick together. So it was different, you know, different. I got you. You didn't want to pick that. You know, a lot of people did pick Christ. You know what I'm saying? I don't know if I was preachers or they was affiliated with the church before they came in. But you know, if you wanted to be, you know, with some, some, some strength, you had to be with some gazes. Yeah. You know, all the gazes went to the Muslims or the nation of Islam, you know what I'm saying? Man, you know, I definitely, I love every time you come through, man, appreciate you for stopping, stopping through Boss Talk 101, right? Last time we, you got four sisters. You got four sisters. Four sisters. You end up, you grew up in the same house with the four sisters? Yeah, it was nine of us. What did they have to say about you being, you becoming a pimp? Well, you know, my daddy was a player. So you know, we grew up in the game, you know, my uncles was pimps, you know what I'm saying? It's like, it was, this, this ain't fooling us. This was like a lifestyle. Okay. You know, as you guys remember, my daddy was at one time, one of the biggest players in the city. My uncle, Grizzy, you know what I'm saying? He was a big player. And then all their friends was players. They always used to meet up at our house, Jim Danny, Pee Wee Fergus, Big K. They always used to gather. You know how niggas come to the niggas house in Gamma? So I'm the little young dude. I'm the fly on the wall, sucking up all the game. You know what I'm saying? So my mama, you know, she was married to my daddy. My daddy, they came from Mississippi together. My daddy just was like, hey, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna get this money. This is what I'm for to do. You know what I'm saying? One day you stay there and take care of them kids. I'm gonna go woo, woo, woo, woo. And he loved my mama. He didn't put my mama down. He loved her. They was doing they thing. How long were they married for? Shit. Till he died. From 16 to she, till he died at 67. It's so crazy because when you think about somebody who's a player or a pimp or anything like that, you're not thinking about them. That ain't how it was down south. You gotta remember what's called the great migration system. So the great migration, you know, a lot of people think the south is like, they think Dallas itself. They think all these people are slow, but it's really not slow. Y'all really fast. Like y'all know how to sell dough better than niggas in the city. Y'all got way more game. And my father and they from the south, they was playing. So, you know, when they came up here, they came up here with the dice game, all kind of game. So you know what I'm saying? But they family man though, you know, but the street people, you know, the city people in Chicago was, they was hoes already. So, you know what I'm saying? You got a country nigga, you know what I'm saying? Let's say a country nigga from Dallas, he come, he got candy paint, and he got them bowls and shit, you know what I mean? He riding slab and shit, you know what I'm saying? And he ripping grain, gold teeth in his mouth, and he got a country slang, but he got plenty of game. Wow. That's gonna attract them city women, you know what I'm saying? That's different than say a city dude, and that's what happened, you know what I'm saying? And a lot of times that's how that got to that point. One more thing, the verses, you was down there in Atlanta when they did the verses. Did you even, did you see it or no? The one with B and a- Well, you know me man, you know, I'm a Pem C fanatic. Correct. So, you know, if Pimp ain't with it, you know I ain't with it, you know what I'm saying? So Pimp ain't there, you know, it ain't gonna feel the same to me. It ain't gonna feel the same. You know what I'm saying? But you know, I respect Bond, and I respect A-Ball and all of them, but you know, it's hard to, you know, when people don't, like I don't have better go to Houston. Yeah. You know, I better go to Houston because you know, it's like, yeah I mean like, I mean like man, ain't too often man, you gonna meet a dude man that's life-skinned and I'm dark-skinned. Say, Ken, I'ma play you. That's all on the internet, go see it. Y'all, I'm playing Pimpy Ken. Like that nigga love me so much, he say, nobody playing Pimpy Ken with me. How you gonna play me, nigga, you light-skinned, nigga, you know what I'm saying? They go like, damn, Ken put my fucking bleach on his face, you know what I'm saying? But the nigga was just the A-Ball, the nigga we just had such a bottom, I don't even know how that shit, man, I see the same way, man. It's like, there's just certain niggas, man, they get it, they know who the fuck I am, they know what I represent, they know I'm a real nigga, you know what I'm saying? And Pimp knew that, you know, he knew that, you know what I'm saying? I went to the mama house man, we stayed up all night, and that's when the sex tape came up. I was showing him my shit, and he showed me his shit. And you know what I'm saying? He was like, man, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, you know what I mean? How many sex tapes did he show you? It was just one sex tape. It was a sex tape, you know what I'm saying? And you know, if you know Pimp, he's very antagonistic, you know what I'm saying? He's like, fuck them niggas, man, bitch ass nigga, woo, woo, woo, whole ass nigga Ken. I mean a lot of niggas, man, if I told some of the truth, and everybody, it's a lot of, man Pimps, he didn't like a lot of niggas that rap. Are you saying that last time? Some of your biggest rappers, he didn't fuck with them. You know what I'm saying? Okay, I never met him, don't know him. I just hear stories of him, and the way how I think of him when I hear these stories, if he don't mess with you, if he don't like you, he not gonna be around you, is that true? Well, Pimp, he- Are you still gonna play the game? No, no, no, no, no, no, like, okay, in one instance, I give it up, you know, him and GZ got into it, remember I told you about that? Well, he wanted to, you know, rekindle that relationship, you know what I'm saying? I mean, it was some other shit that happened. Now, there's certain things, Pimp ain't more or so about relationship, he more or so about sucker shit. So if he see, you know, like he said, Russell Simmons this and he said, this person this and that person that, if he see some shit or Atlanta niggas, you know what I'm saying? You know, this and this and that, his perspective is like, would he see? You know, everything, you know, cause I studied the nigga, I'm like, man, this nigga gonna get me killed, you know what I'm saying? I was like, I watched this nigga, right? So he would say some crazy shit. And then, you know, it's like, it's like, you know, like I guess the best we say, he call a spade a spade. No, if he see Joe, he see one rapper said that, I don't know, I think it was a Boosie. He said, Pimpsy said, look at the girl feet, he said, man, that bitch got some ugly ass feet, man. You know what I'm saying? Man, if you get that bitch out of here, you know what I'm saying? That's how crazy he is, you know what I'm saying? I mean, he'll do some shit like that or we'll be on the radio and he'll say something, you know? But when he came home for about a few months, he was kind of poised. So when he stopped playing with his nose again, he stopped fucking with that shit. You start seeing the rats again, you know what I'm saying? And you know, I mean like, I fuck with him when he was fucking with the shit. I fuck with him when he wasn't fucking with the shit. I fuck with him when he started back fucking with the shit. Cause it's my little brother. You know, it's my little brother, man. Did you ever think all those times coming y'all together that you guys were like right now, that's, I mean, it's a lot of the conversations that's going on on a lot of platforms, a lot of podcasts, especially in the South and not only in the South, you hear them everywhere. Did you think when you guys was walking in that whole era that it would be something that would be talked about like it is now? Well, you know, I mean history, out of all things, Elijah Muhammad said history is best recorded reward or study. So you know, you know, everything we didn't say from this point on, we've been here, is history. Yeah, you know what I mean? So every, every second you make a history and it's 84,600 seconds in a day, you know what I mean? And out of all that, you know, every second is history, you know? And it's past tense. I just hit that table. That's past tense. You know what I'm saying? You can say, man, I remember people, kid came in, he hit my table, you know what I'm saying? So that's what history is. That's how God designed us. You know, he designed us to be able to reflect because from history, you know what I mean? You can learn from history and you can better predict the future. You know what I'm saying? That's why we understand climate change and all these other things. So you know, it was necessary that, you know, all the things that went on with PMC and, you know, with Bumbi and, you know, with other entities, you know, the East Coast, Tupac and all that was necessary that they happened that we get to the point that we are today. I want to know your opinion on something. I don't think I've ever asked this question before. Just a last question, baby. Because he got me into his PMC stuff that I end up loving PMC. I'm serious. But I'm so curious about this part because you talk about him running his mouth in the way how he was very outspoken in how he spoke. But I know when he passed away, they say he passed away from his syrup. Is that how he passed away? We don't know. We don't know. But I want to know your opinion on this. Do you think it's because of his running his mouth what got him killed or did it from natural causes? Well, you know, I mean, I'm from the East Side, right? And I'm connected with the brothers in Mississippi. So, you know, the Goon Committee and all them, you know, the East Side gang says, you know, we'd be let it be known. Y'all put your hand on Pimp. You know what I'm saying? It's going to be a price to pay. So, you know, Niggas knew that Pimp was well protected. Of course, you know, Jay Prince now was over there. They had, you know, had a blanket over Miss Well. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, it was like Pimp was never in no danger. Niggas knew they couldn't just push up on Pimp. You know, I mean, my East Side, my Niggas was like, you know, whatever, you know, and they, they strong, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, a lot of my niggas, you know, Geno down in Mississippi, you know what I'm saying? So you think it's natural causes? Well, I put it like this, that if it was complicit, if it was malicious, somebody put something in the SERP. That's what I was thinking. They probably gave him too much SERP. You know what I'm saying? And so if he died, the SERP, you know, SERP, you know, he was telling me about some SERP. Would you tell me about the 10 and the 12 and all that some shit you were saying about? Because, you know, he had a, they should give him SERP because he had a bad leg. You know, he had a major heart attack. So, you know what I'm saying? Cash, what was that SERP shit you said? The purple was what? The purple, the lane? Yeah, it's more stronger. Yeah, it's more, it's a much stronger one. So SERP can actually help you? Well, it's, it's for pain, it's for pain, and it's for, you know, it's for coughing and shit. Right. You know, Niggas is just using it. Crazy, they, I mean, like, it's like a motherfucker sniffing glue. That's the same thing when it is. It's like motherfuckers is tripping, you know what I mean? They, they want to get how two motherfucking bad, you know what I mean? Cause that shit is meant for medical use. You know what I'm saying? Man, when you look at all the people that they relate to, say, whether it's DJ Screw, whether it's Big Mo, all these different people that they always associate with this SERP, man. I mean, you know, but it's a lot of ways that people go through things. It ain't just SERP, it's drug, nah, it's this new thing that they got. Fit now. Fit now. You know what I'm saying? It's always going to be something before that. Even when I remember when the exit appeals and all that stuff first was popping, it was ways where the narrative has always turned. I just think that, man, you know. My mama time was a chicken bone. Boy, you know what I'm saying? Chicken bone! My mama, you said people, Never heard a chicken bone. A chicken bone. Like a real chicken bone. Yeah, like, like, you know, they, like in the Mississippi, you know, they eat the chicken, you know what I'm saying? And people just, just swallow it. And they used to die off a chicken bone. Oh. Never heard a dad before. Now they, you know, they say, you got to watch out for the chicken bone. Yeah, that, and that was big in Mississippi. So, you know, there's always some shit, you know. So I'm always out. That's all I was saying, man. Thank you so much for coming on the show. I can't wait to talk to the other two from, y'all, I got to say it like them. HH, yeah? HH, yeah? HH, yeah? HH, yeah? You niggas got a whole damn slogan, man. You know what I'm saying? Chicken, man. Hey man, it's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101, what a boss has taught. And we out.