 We are still under way of the conversation regarding the development of food sale and state of the game in the country with James O'Mondy, director of Big James Connect. You know James O'Mondy is my good friend so we joke a lot. So you were talking to us about your trip overseas when you visited Germany and you learnt a myriad of things and you had to expose your players and even the officials to the sport. In Germany, how does it look like? It is already a popular entity? In Germany it is a popular entity. You know football was made in Germany. Football was made in Germany and it's like given food sale was made in Germany. My friend they have structures, they have facilities to play food sale. And for somebody to have the youth structures in the regions it means it started a long time ago. And in Europe they have a league, a food sale league. They have a food sale league in Europe and I think we need to embrace food sale. It helps a lot with the development of these special skills that you need. The modern football requires to perform at the highest level. And you know next time again you are visiting the same country in Nagas this year? Yeah we are going back again. Is it an invitational tournament? We have two invitations. The one from 7th to 17th is food sale and football tour. There is no tournament. Guys will be trained, guys will play friendlies. But from the 21st to 31st of August there is a food sale tournament in Hamburg. We believe after the tournament we are going to have in June at Nyayo. We will do a select that will go and play in that tournament. Ken, this is a good opportunity for the sport to get introduced in schools and colleges and universities as well. Now that you are the governor at Deist University, what do you seek to do? And probably what can James do to reach out to institutions across the country so that it can get infiltrated into schools. Because schools form the basis and they are pivotal in the success and breakthrough of Kenyan sports. So you are probably thinking on how you are going to reach out to schools? I am already reaching out to schools. You remember the ladies who won chapadim by the last time in Nairobi? Yeah I am introducing food sale in their school. And I am lucky we have this age category 14, 15, 16, 17 year olds both male and female. So it is a good plus for us. And on Oledume Road there is also an international school that I have introduced food sale. It is already underway there? It is already underway. So it is good you mentioned Deistar. I was thinking of going to Deistar and introducing food sale. Ken, as the governor of Deistar. Now are you planning to incorporate his new idea of food sale in schools, colleges and universities across the country? Yeah I think firstly in Deistar we could use that because we only have two football teams and the number of people who want to play football is huge. It is a scramble. So we can use food sale as an alternative to balance the two because it is also a free sport as I said. And you find the people, the age that is in universities right now, people like to show what they can do with the ball. So I think it is a great idea. It is a sport that I really, really want to have in the institution because it will be exciting to find a place where we can use to play and how we can play it. And the people who live and want to play it. And also as he said before you don't need a lot of time as it is starting. You just need to have your 30 minutes when you are done with class. You just go for food sale. It is indoors, you don't need to go to train on the grass and everything. So I think that is something that I will definitely look at because I am also a big fan of football. So someone is being humorous here and tickling. Tom Ochil is asking when you say food sale is a free sport, does it insinuate that it's a sport meant for those who are clueless and not talented? No. Free in terms of how it's played. Free in terms of how it's played because you look at 11 aside, you look at the coaches are pointing for you etc. But in food sale you look at people getting the ball shooting from this post to this post. It seems less technical in terms of the structures of playing but it's actually something that people enjoy doing. Something that when you get there you do not have to listen much. You have to just be yourself with the ball. Go out there and enjoy. But you don't need to be passionate about football? No. You need passion to do anything. You need passion to do everything. But his point is that when you play food sale you are not restricted. You know most of the 11 aside teams or the mainstream football they would restrict the skillful players. I don't want you to go and dribbling 10 guys. I don't want you to go and flip flop the ball all the time. I need you to control the ball and pass the ball. But in food sale you can flip it. You can give somebody, you know, you can do some skill. You go out there to enjoy. Food sale is for enjoyment. And it's not gender and age restrictive? It is not gender and age restrictive. It's for everybody. You are 70 years old. Romario is still playing food sale up to today. Oh the Brazilian legend. Romario is still playing. Ronaldinho recently went to India and played food sale to help popularize food sale in India. So we need this. Even us here in Kenya we can get these good players who have retired. You remember there was a boy at Liberty some time back he went to Israel called Bagio. Very skillful guy. He is not playing anywhere. So we can get this kind of skillful players, get them back to help us popularize food sale. You get the point. Then we get things running. To encourage these other skillful players to come and enjoy. Because not everybody will be successful with the mainstream football. So this is an alternative. Like Beach Soccer is also an alternative. So this is another alternative for guys to express themselves. We have international tournaments for food sale. For the national team. Like the cup of nations. Like the world cup. Why not? We can qualify for the world cup with food sale. Before we qualify for the world cup with the arabistas. So NSports to grow needs grassroot backing. Ronaldinho, what is your approach regarding working with counties and stakeholders at the machinani level. To ensure that it also penetrates further for its development. Yes. Why? I am telling you we are going back to schools. We are reaching out to colleges. We are reaching out to both public and private schools. Because that is where the players are. And our vision is for these school kids to start playing food sale at that level. When they grow up they grow knowing what food sale is. So somebody will decide if he wants to play food sale or he wants to play mainstream football. But you give them that option of either playing this or this. Like the grassroot program for FIFA. You know FIFA, grassroot, guys misunderstand it. When somebody talks about grassroot as regards football. They think that anything beyond below the Premier League is grassroot. Grassroot football as envisaged by FIFA is from age 12 downwards. And once they reach 13 years old now there is that pathway. Some will be professional, some will be amateur. So when they reach here they will make that decision to either play competitively or play it for past time. But you have to give every kid that opportunity to play football. That's why FIFA introduce food sale. FIFA introduce beach soka and mainstream football. So that anybody can play football. That is a key. Because there is a fight. There is Judo. There is Bendington. There is tennis. There is ballet dancing. There is everything. So by the time they reach 12 years old they will make a decision. I'll either be a ballet dancer. But there is some that will play football. There is some that will decide to play food sale. Maybe because food sale is played in a small area. It's 4v4 skillful. There is no restriction. They might make that decision. But we ought to give them that opportunity to make that decision. It seems the conversation is attracting significant interest. Fadun and Opemi from Moyane is asking whether there can be improvised facilities for this sport to take place. I mentioned about Tufts or something. Where it can be played in gymnasium. Now for the up country places like Moyane where he is talking to us from. Can there be improvised facilities for the sport to take off? Yes. Because like I see beach football, beach volleyball. What when I come to Changa. It doesn't need to be necessarily at the coast. Or where they are like facilities. It's true. We can improvise. We can get a grass pitch. Get an area of 40 by 20. Get a goal. Guys can play. But you ought to know that when you really play the actual tournament. You will play in a gymnasium. Or somewhere enclosed. The actual competitive tournament. Yes. Now for someone playing in improvised environment. Probably there is a well sanctioned competitive championship. Will they have that aspect of right? Because of different facilities they have been getting exposed to. Maxwell. That is part of development. That is part of development. Mentally you become stronger. You train in a grass pitch. But the actual tournament you are playing in the gymnasium. It's good for you. It's good for your development. It's a privilege. Now you know the speed of the ball has to be different. How I pass the ball. How I control the ball. What skill I need. What kind of shoe do I need to use. These are kind of experiences. These are things you don't buy. You experience them. So that is the beauty of it. In Muayale they can play in a grass pitch. Or if they have the sandy pitch. Maybe the texture of the ground there is sandy. It develops their muscles. Because you know futsal is played with small sided. Small sided games they have more intense. They are more intense. They think quicker. So it is good for them if they train in this kind of pitches. When they come to the main arenas. It's easy for them. They have good physical fitness. Mentally they will be stronger. They can face any challenge. So it is good. We are seeking to preach this gospel to you. Your friends who have been realligating priority in the teams they have been featuring for. So that they opt for futsal. Ya. Not them also but now. This is something that you can get. The females now to do more. Because sometimes they may not want to play mainstream futbol. Because of the vigor involved in the size of the pitch and everything. But for futsal you do not need almost half the number of players. Half the number of the size of the pitch. So maybe that can be something to introduce them to a contact sport. So it is something I definitely want to see more people pushing to the younger people first. We want to get more of them. But as you said there is no edge restriction so you can push also to the older guys. But at the same time I think because we are starting it. And it is still growing. I think it is best to reach out to the young people first. But even if competitions are to be had in the first few months. We get a vibrant squad. A vibrant team full of young people who are full of zero. Also there is the avenue that many young boys have played FIFA before. On their playstation. And there is Volta mode. Which has sort of put this thing in their mind that they want to also play futsal. Because they see the pitches there. They see the number of players. They see even how you can do skills on the playstation. So they want to carry that forward. So I think it is a great time to grow this futsal in this country. And now going forward. What would be your message to those people who have not ventured into any sports. And probably they are getting enticed by your rallying call. May I encourage them to come with play futsal. It is another avenue to help improve the health of anybody involved. It is an avenue to expose yourself to greater things in this world. It is an avenue to help us as a country. I am joining because I need to go to German with you. Even you I will challenge you. You see at the parking. You can make a 17 by. I am going to do that on Monday. You mark it by tape. Just mark it by tape. A 17 by 33 area pitch. And then get small cones for goals. Then I will give you one futsal ball. Then you can train in the evenings before. Availabilities futsal ball? You can go to currently in Kenya. Sports house? No, you will never get them at sports house. Go to Decathlon at Karen. One goes for 2400. That's affordable. So you will get a futsal ball. And then you can mobilize a few of you guys. So that when we play the tournament in June 10th at Nyayo. You can come with your KBC team. I can come as a qualifier and take part in the qualification process. Maybe I might be lucky to get picked to make the team for German. And by the way, Max, you know the goodness of futsal is that the substitutions are rolling, rolling, rolling. And when the ball goes out. Futsal and beach football? Are they related in a way? In terms of roles, in terms of you know, the number of people featuring. Number of people, yeah. Beside? They are related because it's fiversite. And for futsal you allowed nine substitutions. And it is rolling. I'm pretty sure I have to make the team. I have to play. And this is why I was saying it is good for health. Even anybody struggling with weight can play. Anybody struggling too? With weight can play. He loves football or he loves to play. But the opportunity to play 11 aside is impossible. With futsal it is possible. He can play even 10 minutes. He gets substituted again. He comes back again. It is good for health. So I'm telling you after office hours you can train futsal for 30 minutes because of the traffic jam around here. Then when it's down you can go home. Very fit. It's been an insightful conversation indeed regarding futsal. A new sport in Kenya now getting infiltrated into you know. Those who are passionate especially at the machine and you said you. Seeking to partner with schools, colleges and universities and also go county level and ensure that you know stay called as need to preach to the gospel of the sport. Now you are parting short your final submissions before we let you go. I would like for potential partners to join us because we are having the tournament on the 10th of June at Nyayo and it is not restricted to one partner. We can have seven partners. When you say partner you talk about sponsors? Sponsors. Because they are kids. Guys like Colgate can come in. Guys like Ribena can come in. Guys like Coca-Cola, Fanta, Pepsi. They can come in and support these kids. They can support these kids in various ways. We are open. We have a website. Anybody interested to reach us out can reach us through our website. Our contacts are there so that we can work this journey together to empower this generation with something nice. Last time you were alone gongrod at Likindogo grounds. So right now as you speak where do you carry out your operations from? We operate from Kenyansans. Oh Kenyansans? Apu karebuna met. Apu karebuna met. Ukipita tu in Pala roundabout the next on your left. That is Kenyansans. Just go in there ask the gods you are going to Big James connect. They will show you. I think I had forgotten. Is it an elitik spot? Is it meant for a bit of class? No. It's for everybody. MC Do is at Madare. That is where I train Futsal. Yes. That is best in Madare. Futsal doesn't segregate and discriminate. And it doesn't discriminate. Actually we embrace everybody. Both boys and girls. There's no Ubaguzi. There's no Ubaguzi. James Omondi director Big James connect and former Kenyans international of the national team Rambestas joining us this particular afternoon to share his insights regarding Futsal as pot is pioneering in Kenyans is looking forward to its breakthrough very soon as he even continues with these partnership programs alongside schools, colleges and universities and taking it to the machinana at the grassroot where I understand there might be some passionate following but due to lack of information the sport might be hindered to grow. Thank you for joining us and coming through and always a pleasure having you on board. James, congratulations for introducing this sport and good luck in your ambition to make it better and compete with football. Thank you, Max. It is always a pleasure to come to your shows. Thank you. Thank you. Of course we still on until 3 o'clock. Don't go away, stay tuned. English football, European leagues in general and what happened in midweek as far as UEFA Champions League and Europa League are forming the basis of our discussion up next. Stay tuned. It's the touchline.