 Wow that kicked in awfully well. I'm gonna set that there that was completely improvised I had no idea that was gonna happen. How's your first day of SoCAP going so far? Good, we got two thumbs up here Got a lot of noise going on elsewhere Before I do anything else Because I'm an improviser we're used to interacting with the audience I want to have you guys do a little improv game with each other a very little game so everybody stand up Everybody stand up for just a moment and if you're sitting by yourself get moved to Find somebody else that you can work with as a two-person game Doesn't matter whether you know them or you're just meeting them for the first time And I want you to turn and face that person and I want you to just very simply go back and forth Counting up to three so it'll go one two three one two three and try to do it as quick as you can Don't worry about getting it right The goal of this exercise is how fast you can do it make mistakes skid out of control if you you know completely screw up your Numbers and go to five. That's okay. This does not go on your permanent record. Just go back and restart, okay? So go ahead and start okay, and see if you can push yourself to go even faster more faster than you're comfortable with Okay, okay now We're gonna change it up a little bit because one of the things an improv that we do is anytime something gets easy We actually make it hard so you have to reach for that next bar you have to try a little harder So instead of counting one two three we're gonna place one with a clap So it'll go clap two three clap two three and again see push yourself to go even faster make mistakes go for it Okay, great now. We're gonna change it up again. We're gonna add another little change to this So instead of two we're gonna add a stop so it'll go three. Okay, and again go as fast as you can Okay, great. We're gonna up the game one more time. So instead of three now. You're gonna say whoo, okay? So go whoo. Okay. Go for it Terrific terrific. Thank your partner. Thank your partner for helping you out there and go ahead and sit back down That's a little game. We play to warm up Before shows that our cast does before shows that we teach students to go that we change the focus from trying to get one Two three right because we could do that very easily right we kind of you know Kind of I always think of it as that badminton game of one two, you know We could slow it down and get it right. We want to change that a little bit So as they had said I'm Ken Robertson I'm the artistic director of bats improv over here in Fort Mason building B We have several sessions that are happening in our theater We have been there have been improvising for 32 years Which is if anybody's counting two years longer than the Simpsons anytime you can measure yourself favorably in longevity against the Simpsons I think you're doing something. Well, we perform well over a hundred completely made-up shows every year Meaning we come out very much like this in front of a paying audience and we go we couldn't be bothered to prepare anything Thanks for the money. Let's see what happens and we do that many many times every Friday and Saturday and We also have a corporate training arm at work that we're working with all kinds of companies from garage startups to Fortune 100 companies working on communication and innovation and teamwork and leadership And this is there's been a huge interest and huge expansion in this over the last several years Now when so cap came to us because the first time we've had a lot of sessions in the bats theater over the years But we've never actually participated and when they came to us a couple of weeks ago and said Would you be interested in presenting on this first day of so cap getting the most out of so cap? especially something about creativity and Creativity with others. How do you put ideas together with other people the minute they asked I said yes No problem. No hesitation That's part of the improv discipline you probably if you've heard anybody heard of yes and you know if you think of improv That's probably the two words that come to mind. Did you want to do this? Yes, and but I've also been a performer for a long time and There's an unspoken rule in auditions that when you go into audition for something no matter what ridiculous skill They ask you for you say yes, whether you can do it or not and the theory being that you know Somebody's can you juggle five flaming chainsaws on the unicycle? Sure. No problem Can you you know been in space time with just this cheerio? Yeah did five times this morning? No worries And you say that so you're not immediately eliminated from the audition and if you don't get the part You'll never have to learn the skill and if you do you'll have time to learn it Or they'll just hire somebody to teach you on the set But then I thought about that and I thought hang on I am an improviser I have been creative in some creative field most of my life But I want to make sure that I'm not that person that comes out to Speak but isn't an authority that doesn't have that experience I don't want to be the person that recorded a hit single in 1992 and is coming out giving a lecture on how to conquer the music industry, right? so I did a little inventory in my history and Said let me let me check and make sure that I am indeed creative and yeah There was lots of evidence that I was creative going back to the first grade the first thing I could remember was They was an impromptu talent competition that our first grade teacher through and for some reason I was inspired to get up and do celebrity impressions if you can manage a six-year-old having the gumption to do that And my favorite characters were primarily cartoon characters And I wasn't awful and the teachers laughed them and fellow students laughed to my parents paraded me in front of relatives having Them do that for several years, so I must have been doing something at least okay About ten years later when I was in high school I would been playing trumpet for a number of years was a fairly accomplished musician And I was sitting in the pit band playing for the school musical that year And I watched three shows of these actors up there and I went you know I think I could do that by the end of the year I was auditioning and playing leads by the next year was actually playing leads and winning awards, so great Yeah, wonderful checklist. I am creative. I got this But the disturbing part was that there were equal numbers of examples where I wasn't where I had to complete and total creative failure and paralysis Does anybody experience that where you want to do something creative and you just cannot get started? Yeah, one person terrific. Thank you Yeah, there were you know, I had one point in time. I was interested in writing screenplays and again I was an actor I knew scripts I knew characters I was gonna write for for TV shows already new So I didn't have to create things whole cloth and I read lots of books and I took lots of classes and went to lots of seminars and Sat down a few times and I made a few starts, but to this day have not completed a single screenplay not for lack of trying For years I was a computer animator in video games I co-wrote a chapter on a particular thing with the then tech director of South Park And I got off the phone with this person. I thought wow, that would be so cool I could do an animated cartoon. I've got the software. I've got the skills I can do this came up with a few ideas came up with a few characters didn't animate a single frame So that was a little disturbing like oh, I've got equal parts of this And the problem was that my creativity was there. There was evidence, but it wasn't consistent. It wasn't universal I couldn't apply it to all of these other things But I realized there was one area where I was reliably consistently predictably creative which was improv That again, I have gotten up done hundreds of shows with very little Walk in and what are we doing tonight? You're doing a musical great What else do I need to know? Sing when you feel like it And nobody's ever asked for their money back. So okay How do we get that consistency? What was the difference? Well, I didn't have to look too far To find other examples of where people were creatively Consistently creative and then something changed If anybody's seen sir ken robinson who no relation whatsoever Who did he's a a british educator expert and educator and a net for non creativity And he found that children especially before about sixth grade are consistently creative If you ask a child before sixth grade you hand them a piece of paper and say write me a story or draw me a picture They go sure no problem. Here you go One of my favorite stories that he tells us about a girl who was in grade school Who sat down and was drawing and there our teacher came by and said, oh, what is that you're making? And the little girl looked up and said i'm drawing god And the teacher a little fearful of this but Nobody knows what god looks like Without hesitation the girl looks up and said they will in a minute So you've got to love that amount of creative confidence, okay I'm going to define the undefinable and I haven't even gotten to fourth grade. That's fantastic But then something happens around sixth grade that we start becoming aware That not all of the pictures we draw will be deemed refrigerator worthy, right? That not all the stories we write are going to be fantastic We start becoming aware that others might judge our work And then we start judging ourselves As a way of heading off that judgment that might come down the line and we develop inhibition out of it So this judgment self judgment inhibition cycle. It's a protectionary thing And after sixth grade you ask a child to write you a story or paint you a picture You'll hear things like i'm not a writer or i'm not an artist So it just is opposed to even trying to just immediately define themselves as not creative or not creative in a particular area Now I think after talking with people and doing some investigation on my own I think almost everybody has creative impulses of some kind or another whether it's starting a business or How many people sing along with their favorite song in the car and maybe add their own little flourishes to it Yeah, exactly up until the point somebody notices you right It's great in traffic until you look around and see that one person watching you and then all of a sudden that goes away So there is that piece of that judgment piece that all of a sudden. Oh, I gotta pops out of thin air Okay, I've got to stop being creative So I wondered And in looking is that judgment is that inhibition is that the only thing that really keeps us from being creative Well interesting enough Maybe There's a lot of science behind right now that indicates it may be that there's that judgment of right from the beginning Whether this is going to be good or whether that's bad a gentleman by the name of dr. Charles limb. Who's a neurosurgeon? currently in san francisco Who has been conducting studies? He's read two studies over the past few years where he got improvisers of various disciplines and put them in an active MRI Which is kind of a video scan of your brain you can watch change in real time and the first time he got musicians and rap artists And currently he's working with actual improvisational actress and people that I actually know And he put them in an MRI and he measured them Making stuff up. Okay improvisation improvizing a jazz solo improvising freestyle rap Something like that measured their brainwave activity and then he said okay now play this rote piece of music Or play this you'll read this particular poem that's already written down And he measured that activity And he noticed that the difference was when people were being creative That they the inhibition centers of the brain almost shut down He would climb it. He described as being almost in rim sleep Which was very unusual And then when there was a they were reading something which was probably fairly boring He said he didn't make it terribly challenging Those centers lit up because there's a way to get it wrong right if you're reading something It's already recorded or written down off a piece of paper. There's a way to get it wrong And especially under those conditions when you have you're in an MRI and there are several scientists looking at you The pressure is on Right kind of if we you had just done that one two three exercise and we said okay, let's do it with everybody watching these two You know you probably would not have been able to go as fast probably would have made more mistakes So there's a lot of indication that that judgment Self-judgment inhibition is actually what kills creativity now in the study that charles limb had by the way I mentioned he's doing this with improvisational actors He hasn't released those studies yet or the conclusions yet, but the so far the patterns are almost identical So three different disciplines effectively of creativity almost identical results across those disciplines So how do we deal with that? How we get judgment out of the way? Well, one of the things we've actually developed some exercises and improv to be able to do that And I want you to imagine for a moment if you were at a circus And you saw an aerial act a trapeze artist or a tightrope walker And that person did something wrong and they fell 30 feet into a net. We're not going to kill them We're going to be nice to them And they're not hiding that right? They're under scrutiny by everybody there They're not hiding the fact that they accidentally just fell 30 feet They can't blame that on you know, fill in accounting or something like that If there's anybody there's a fill from accounting in here, it's a different fill from accounting But how do they get back up out of that net? What happens at the end of it they pop back up like wasn't that a fantastic fall? Thank you Okay, so they're more inclined to go back up on that trapeze again But they like celebrate the fact that I just fell 30 feet and wasn't it beautiful So we're going to do a little exercise and this is something we've developed We could call a circus bow in improv that I would love everybody to do so everybody stand back up And I want you to for a moment pretend like you have just won every medal in the olympics ever by yourself On the same day you just win ever oscar category this year by yourself and the super bowl on a team of one Okay, so take that and take spread your arms out widely. Thank you very much And you're going to take a huge bow to your adoring public that watched you do all of this stuff And it's grand huge bow and when you bow you're going to say I failed Okay, so do that now one two three I failed turn to somebody on either side of you make eye contact bow to each other grandly Okay, great turn to somebody on the other side even if they're across the room make eye contact bow to them Great. Thank you. Go ahead and have a seat again We do call that a circus bow By the way, I've done that exercise many times in with I've done it with CEOs and it always elicits laughter even though there's nothing particularly funny about I failed But it's a that release of tension. It's that inhibition that judgment thing that's sitting up there kind of taking a powder going Okay, you got me there. We're good It's that release of tension and looking at somebody else and going. Oh, thank goodness you too Oh, I've been holding that in for years. Thank you so much So instead of getting rid of judgment what we can do is reduce the sting of it a little bit If we're not as afraid of it if we're not it doesn't have as much impact That's really what the circus bow is about by the way the shorthand for that that we do as we throw our hands up and go So everybody practice that just right where you're setting. Okay, so one two three So yeah, it's one of those things again It's actually it's a pattern disrupt for those of you who are neuroscientists out there It's as opposed to getting in those usual patterns that we get of like, oh, I made a mistake I better hope nobody saw it or how can I fix it before anybody comes in and just going, oh, okay I own that let's get rid of that mistake energy and then we can move on statistically in the nfl Quarterbacks throw either no interceptions or two or more. They almost never throw one Once you get in that mistake energy. It just sticks with you Okay, so great wonderful We can reduce the sting of judgment if we just get rid of judgment all together then we'd be wildly creative, right? Well, maybe There actually are people thanks to the miracle of the internet We see exactly what somebody without judgment looks like there are thousands of them out there We see people producing fantastic amounts of content not necessarily the greatest quality, however Judgment is there to help us refine the process I get lists from time to time of you the 10 funniest people on instagram the 10 funniest people on twitter And I generally go and look and That's so funny. Yeah, exactly. It's generally I you know, I hate to say that I want to support people like that But it's generally people like pointing at something and shouting very loudly And then they do another video next week where they point at something else and shout very loudly Okay I have a friend who after the last presidential election was very upset and recorded an album of protest songs That they were going to raise money for the dnc and this was going to be huge Now this person was not a great singer and had been playing piano for about three months But accompanied themselves singing And I have to I have to admire them for doing, you know the gumption to get it done But not the greatest collection of songs in the world to inspire anybody And then afterwards they were like very surprised that this thing was not a billion dollar seller and wasn't making Adele reconsider her career, you know So if we can get rid of that inhibition, yeah, we are wildly creative But quality isn't necessarily there And we've seen this again. There's a there's a group and the university of colorado called the humor research lab Also known as hurl That did a study about chemical suppression of inhibition The very basic that do you get funnier when you have a few more cocktails? That's the fancy term chemical suppression means a few too many cocktails Because it does suppress the inhibition centers And they did this study of having people go up and tell jokes Take a drink tell a joke take a drink tell a joke tell a drink and sure enough they went up They thought they were funnier the more cocktails they had they rank themselves as friggin hilarious The people who are watching however rank them as less funny the wines literally do that Okay, it is it's a really funny graph. I encourage you to look it up So we do need that judgment to come in and help us refine What we do the problem is when judgment shows up too soon Sometimes it's our friend Okay, oh that skunk looks nice and fluffy. Maybe I should go pet it judgment shows up and goes Skunk might not be very receptive. Thank you judgment. Really appreciate that We're gonna I have an idea for a novel judgment. It's not going to be good Not very helpful So how do we delay judgment? How do we put it? You say, okay go over here until I need you because the wonderful sentiments about Unlearn what you have learned or start with the beginner's mind These are fantastic sentiments and they're great intellectual concepts and they're absolutely right, but they're very difficult to do We can't just forget that stuff that we've been trained a lifetime to do So part of that that we just did with a circus bow is Taking that staying out putting the judgment genie down the line Okay, no no that go back in the lamp just for a little bit. We know you're gonna show up later to help us refine things So how do we start without judgment showing up and start building on that creativity and be able to insert judgment at the right time? Well, that was where I started the actually the the name of this program That it's right in front of me. I don't think you can see it up here I came up with the title of this which is I got nothing That's the whole title of creativity for me and that came from a friend of mine in improv We were going out on stage at one point in time And sitting backstage waiting for the the lights to come up and he leaned over and he said I always feel like my best improv scenes are when I go out and I think I got nothing Literally out in front of the stage and by that mean all we always have something right? We don't sit down and go I'm going to create something. What no idea could be a song could be a pony. I have no idea We always have that idea of the form it's going to take And in improv we might have a little bit of an idea from the suggestion we get As we get suggestions from the audience very often to start and to surprise us to prove to people that we're not Making these things up backstage and the presenting them as though we just created them on the spot So if we can start from that idea of nothing meaning no expectations Meaning I'm not going to go out and I'm not worried when I go out on an improv scene about it being funny or being good I'm just going to look at what's right in front of me. And that's the second step is start with the obvious What that means is what's right in front of you? What are the things that you already know? How many people have heard the phrase in writing write what you know? Yeah, a lot of people and that's kind of the best bad advice I've ever heard or the worst good advice I'm not sure which because most people take it to mean write about what you've experienced But if we did that then we'd never have game of thrones We'd never have star trek nobody's been on those ships. Nobody's ridden a dragon But we can change that and say write the parts that you already know I really would love to I know I like fantasy. Well, what do you like about fantasy? I love people that write dragons great I'm going to start writing about dragons So we start with that stuff that's right in front of the parts that we already know And the judgment doesn't creep in it goes. Oh, okay. I can't argue with that. You do like dragons. You do like fantasy In improv, we're always working as a team sport too. We're never alone There's always somebody else out there with us And we're always we're looking to bring Them into the scene whether it's our scene partners or audience members And at this point actually I would love to ask can I have a Somebody who would be willing to come up and volunteer briefly to help me out on stage? I promise you will have to do very little and your self-esteem will leave at least intact if not enhanced Anyone who could come up and join me come on up. Yeah, thank you What's your name? Can I have a hand for Cheryl? Thank you, Cheryl That's a lot of jacket come on over here show And uh, we we've never met before correct? So you're you're not an improviser Terrific even better fantastic. Uh, so I'm going to give you this I think that may already be on and what we're going to do I'm I'm actually going to create your very first improvise scene I hope you don't I'll do most of the work if you don't mind. You okay? Okay, good And what I want everybody out here to do Excuse me is uh look at show for a moment. I'll make you slightly self-conscious. I apologize and as opposed to Uh trying to think if you know Cheryl saying all that Cheryl doing such and such just look at If you imagine Cheryl as a character in a movie With just what you know the way she's standing a character in a movie and think about what kind of movie that is Is an action adventure is a romantic comedy is it exactly you're adding to it? I'm sorry. It's a photo shoot. I didn't mean that I just realized that Uh, but what kind of movie it is and what kind of character would carol be within that movie? Okay, so I'm going to create an improv scene based off of absolutely nothing except what I see. Okay, so These are kids in the gym class here That one is that one is yeah, that's a hell of an athlete. They're uh coach Barnes Seriously, I've been coaching soccer for a long time, but that one down there is a hell of an athlete Well, it's a puppy. Well, it's a puppy Wow, huh? That puppy looks a lot like a kid What what breed is it? Well, it's halloween. So it's uh, oh I see did you dress the puppy up as a kid or the kid up as a puppy? I'm not telling can you tell? I'm going with puppy dressed as kid. You got it. Oh, that's great So we'll stop there. Great. Give her a hand. Thank you very much for creating your first improv scene So again, I just took that stance basically that you know that she was had and somehow went Oh, we're standing gym class watching kids play Uh start with the obvious And then we get to that thing I started with before at the very top were those two words that I mentioned Yes, and and this is actually where we can keep creating the creativity going But also be able to add in a little bit of that judgment Because we're not with yes, and we're not looking at creating something that's funny or brilliant We're looking at judging did I add to that thing that was right there agree and add a little Yes, and means exactly that agree and add a little And improv if we say no Which can be our first instinct, especially when we're moving into something that we've never experienced before You know, there's a reason why you know children around the age of two learned the first word they learn with authority is no Because it's the first amount of control we have to affect our world The smallest bit of effect we have around our circumstances. No So if we say yes, we allow things to go forward, but we're not really participating in them If we say yes, and it's like, okay, it's going to go forward and I'm going to agree and put something in and add to it I now have skin in the game So if somebody comes out and improv scene and goes, here's your pizza and somebody goes, why are you holding my hubcaps? We're not going to get very far If somebody comes out and goes here's your pizza and somebody goes, yes, it smells delicious, too You look very tired. Would you like to come in and have a slice? Now we've got to start we've got some place to go We're not just in argument. We're jotting kids to hubcap pizza hubcap pizza We can start moving forward from that So I want to do another exercise now Well, let's get everybody up and then you find somebody to be your partner for this It could be the person you did one two three with it could be somebody brand new entirely up to you We're going to do a little exercise in yes and I want you to remember a trip that you took an imaginary trip that you took together So one person is going to start by saying remember wherever the location is and by default I would say if you don't have an idea just say remember mexico Because I have done this with groups that somebody went remember mars and that was as far as they got because they were afraid They knew nothing about mars so keep it simple the destination itself is not that important But the first person will say remember mexico for example The other person will say yes and they'll start with those words and add a detail to it remember mexico Yes, and remember how blue the pacific was next person again will add to that add a detail to that Yes, and it was so blue. I felt like I was blue Imperviated I just made up a word. Okay, so keep adding. Yes and yes and so keep adding a detail to what's already there By the way, there's another thing that we have an improv which is bring a brick not a cathedral So, you know the ocean was so blue. Yes, and I've never seen blue like that. That's a brick We're adding to it Yeah, remember how blue the ocean was yes, and the great god gets a quartel rose from the ocean and conquered the world And now we are mad that's a cathedral Okay, and it's a way of wrestling the idea you put so much in that it wrestles the idea back to you So go ahead one person start with that remember wherever the destination is and then keep going Yes, and yes and and add a little agree and add a little to what's already on the table. Okay, go for that Okay, thank your partner. Thank your partner How many of those how did the those trips surprised you with where they went? And the thing that Oh, yeah, there's an interesting story. We will talk later How many if you're just adding those little things that's the nice thing again We get past judgment by agreeing and saying okay. Yes, and the ocean was very blue. Yes, and the sailfish were jumping Our brains are not going to go. Oh, hang on judgment. Let me rope that back in We're making those small incremental changes that can move up and all we're judging is did I agree and add a little to that So we're reducing it to just that piece comedy writers have a tool That they call a list of 10 for almost anything So let's say I was writing jokes for uh, Stephen Colbert is opening monologue and I'm giving a particular topic I would start by sitting down and writing 10 jokes But my goal is not to write 10 good jokes My job is to my goal is to write 10 jokes as fast as I can keep my hand in motion And if I get to the end of that and I have 10 really crappy jokes, but they're 10 I've won Brain goes. Well, you did what you were told So remember way back when we did that one two three game. I said the goal was to go faster Okay, make mistakes and we change the goal and change the focus and give judgment Actually, it's kind of well judgment. I know you wanted a steak, but here's a sandwich to chew on So we give it something else to judge whether we're actually doing the right thing or not And then we can go back later on the big judgment will come back at the end and we can start refining that process We're finding our novel refining our business refining. Whatever it is that we're uh, we're putting in and re and again Yes, yeah, yes, yeah, yes, yeah Yes, and by the way is have been shown in brainstorming meetings to be extremely Effective much more so than the standard brainstorming meetings Is anybody been in the meetings where you bring they bring everybody in and somebody goes up to a white board and they go I just just shoot out ideas There are no bad ideas and they stand up there with a marker by the board And somebody says an idea and the person at the board goes I'm gonna put that down as this Yeah, pretty much everybody but and what happens is not only or have we said that yes There are bad ideas, but we've just said that was one of them right at the top of the meeting and it becomes very difficult Where if it's just add an idea, what if it's blue? What if it's green? What if we name it charlie? What if it can fly? What if it toasts? Anything like that we can roll out ideas very quickly without that judgment that we're adding to So I want to sum up this process Of that consistent creativity and then tell you actually I have used this I've experimented with this myself recently to prove that I could do it one of those creative failures that I talked about I went back and said can I do this? So we're going to again, whoo-hoo circus bow. We're going to lessen the sting of judgments We're going to start from nothing in terms of expectation. We're not going to say I'm going to write a good novel It's I'm going to jot down a thousand words. I'm going to do a list of 10 We're then going to start from the obvious. What do we know? What's the things that we already know they're there? What are the things that we can observe? Then we're going to yes and that we're going to agree and add a detail agree and add a detail agree and add a detail And we know that again judgment's going to show up later on and so we can rinse and repeat We can repeat this process and I literally did this this past week because I said I've got to prove this to myself I've had an idea to write novels for years. I've never been able to do it And I said well, I'm to eat my own dog food And sat down and went through this process and within a day. I had a full outline and within two days I had 10,000 words and I was really I surprised myself That kind of once I got that and there were a few times I had to go deep breath. Let's go But I would really remove the the sting of judgment start from nothing in terms of expectation Build off the obvious yes and Rinse and repeat So to wrap up I would I'd like to do one little more demo something I want to leave you guys with some like profound knowledge of some kinds We don't even know what that is but to do that Can I have three people that would come up and join me briefly on stage? You'll have to do again very little But I promise we'll take good care of you Only three not everybody don't everybody rush the stage at the same time Come on up. Yeah, come on. There we go. Great. Yeah, come on up Terrific. What's your name? Crystal. Let me have a round of applause for crystal What's your name? Zach and Zach round of applause for Zach and your name Scott round of applause for Scott So we're just going to do a real brief panel. You guys are going to be if I can have you stand side by side very briefly We're going to do a very brief talk show. You're going to be our experts notice I said expert singular not multiple because you're going to be a personal three heads Okay, so it'll be when I ask questions. You'll answer one word at Perfect, but actually I'll give you this little if you can can you hold that in the middle? Okay, great So, uh, if I were and you can always repeat the question it'll always start with you Just find that if you say yes and find that next word that makes semantic sense So for example, if I were to ask you what your favorite color was you could say my favorite color is So what's your favorite flavor of ice cream? Great cherry wonderful. It's a great flavor of ice cream So we're going to do this very briefly. What is a piece of knowledge that you would love to leave here with today? A piece of expertise that you would love if it would make your day if you walked out of here today with Ways to make the world better how to make the world better, okay So good afternoon and welcome to making the world better daily the talk show where we always make the world better On a daily basis and we have with us an expert in making the world better today Who needs no introduction, but I will introduce them. Would you please tell us your name? Mark everybody mark Mark of the seafing journey microphone there mark Mark who is only goes by one name kind of like share or prince Because you have done so much now. What is the best advice you can give to somebody for making the world a better place always Loving be always loving. That's a wonderful bit of advice Now what would be another if you were to say what's changed your life the most what would that be? You meditate Every Detail You Can meditate every detail you can be loving meditate every detail you can And that what is that phrase actually I've got your book right here. Could you tell us the title of the book that is coming out? The only Buck You meditate the only book you meditate And every other book you cannot meditate, but this one you can everyone let's have a big hand of applause for mark our world changing expert So thank you guys very much. I'm I'm over time. Thank you for sticking around with me I hope you have a fantastic conference, and I hope to see you again. So thank you very much. I wish you a great cook out