 Hey guys, hope everyone is doing wonderful Listen, I'm gonna let you guys know one thing off the very top. We're fighting today. We are fighting now Man this will be the fight that you think it is or maybe you've come to see But I won't let you all know one thing some of you all know me some of you don't some of you are kind of getting to know me I don't think I'm a weak person. I'm certainly not scared of anyone and I have only I'm only beholden to Obviously to my Lord, right? The person whose feelings I think about the most outside of God is gonna be who my wife My family I'm gonna try to be honest and show some integrity To the scriptures whether it is benefiting me or not I don't have any friends outside of the gospel meaning this that if anyone Is to be a friend of mine? They they must actually be in the guys I've got some people who I like and who I'm good with But I don't consider them necessarily friends because they don't follow the gospel like I do meaning that they're not believers We're cordial, but I don't put them I don't trust them any farther than I can throw them as a matter of fact I don't trust any of you any farther than I can throw you I don't trust myself any farther than I can throw myself Why do I say that because I'm a I'm a person who is still struggling with sin I'm a person who's got some faults some issues and so When I deal with someone else who also I may disagree with I Recognize this person also has some faults and issues just like me. So what I want to do before I kind of get into this Is normally I pray before I come in I pray that God will be glorified that it's not about me That I can maintain composure and that when people see or hear what's happening on here They'll see in here what heaven wants to see her here So guys for the first time normally I said I pray before we come on and then we just kind of jump into it But this time I want you all to pray with me. Okay, because there are gonna be some people in here who think that My guess who's coming on you all know who he is that I should be fighting him I'm listening. I'm either supposed to be fighting him or wanting to be fighting I don't like him or I should not like him. Well news flash guys is gonna hurt some people's heart But I don't have a problem with Ruslan. Are there some things that I disagree with him? Sure Do I have a problem with Alan part? Nope. Are there some things I disagree with him? Sure I don't have a problem with any of you guys. Are there some things I disagree with? Sure And so for that reason I want us to see what the scriptures say now if you know me I hope you think that I will Comport myself with the scriptures as best I can I'm open to speaking with someone so anyway Also before we get into it guys. I want you all to govern yourselves according to scripture according to our father We're all supposed to be children of our we all have post have the same daddy. So we're gonna act like it Hey, ma'am. So father with that being said we asked Lord God that you would just Govern the chats that you would govern this live stream myself as well as Ruslan God We pray that more than anything else that you would be glorified father. It's not about me It's not about him or anyone else's goddess for your agenda is for you we serve Lord God And so we asked that you would get joy that you would even crack a smile because of what we do and what we say God we desire one not to compromise, but also Lord God father to live in peace and in unity Whenever possible father, so I asked that you would have your way in this video I pray this Lord in your wonderful name. Amen. So Guys you already know who my guest is so let me go ahead and bring him on Brother Ruslan, how you doing today? I'm doing good. Am I frozen? No, there we go. I'm not anymore Not even somebody in the chat said that your biggest sin is that you're a colts fan, Cory Well, that might be either a Giants fan or or or a Cowboys fan And so I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Loose that spirit of cowboy or a giant off of you. I'm pretty sure that's one of the two it's either Giants fan or Cowboys fan, so That's funny. Okay before we move forward What's up with the background? It would just try some new things man We're trying you know what Cory you told me that I had the best backdrop on YouTube you told me this and I and that really Encourage me. I was like man. This this is good And so we've been we're looking to slowly improve upgrade and just Make investments back into what we're doing this the background is is designed by the same software that does Mandalorian so just trying to make stuff interesting and just be Excellent with what we're doing here. Okay. Okay. Cool. Somebody asked where where are you you in San Diego? Correct San Marcos, California, North County, San Diego. It's a suburban San Diego. Yes, okay. Okay. I got a an old jail buddy there in San Diego, so Part I'm not I'm not sure because once he left the prison we had we had talked and then all of a sudden Communication stopped matter of fact what happened was we the prison went on lockdown Goofy's story went on lockdown. He changed his address and we weren't able to get any mail They changed the the color of envelopes. He was in envelopes in different color. We couldn't get anything that was Heading color any sort of because there were people sending in drugs through the mail And so I lost contact with them and I've been trying to get a hold of him through other people and so Real good guy. His name is we call him Jayrod. I I Forgot his first name James James Rodriguez. I'm sorry my mind went blank, but anyway Guys you already know that there's an issue in in in the YouTube sphere and let me just say this guys So you all know I'm stepping on toes today. I'm stepping on Everybody's toes including myself. I'm gonna step on Ruslan's toes I'm step on you guys's chats in the toes the folks who are gonna watch this later. I Pray this so here's what I think Ruslan. I think that If I can use the scriptures Only to cut but never to heal never to build up that I'm not worthy of the scriptures And so I want to do that and granted I've done things the wrong way I've said some things the wrong way. There have been some times where I have People have sent me comments or emails and I kind of wanted to get back You know ideas how because whereas we're men and I I want to kind of get back at them And if you know my background not the prison background as bad as it is But from where I was before the growing up part. Listen, I was rubbing some rough spots Wasn't rough people and we mean what we say and say what we mean and There are times I will you know, cuz what we do is mean when someone says something I'm gonna get back at you, but I noticed something and you guys see if you can see this Tell me if you noticed this before Ruslan This YouTube dilemma that we have I'm for this YouTube YouTuber this Christian youtuber. I'm for that Christian youtuber. I'm for this room for that Everybody at some point time is going to say something incorrectly, right? A lady got all over me because I said some things that kind of made some like the folks in Africa They're just all dumb and backwards, right? And I had you know what I'm sorry because looking back at it I did I did I made you guys look bad So sometimes you got to be humbling up to say yeah, I'm wrong, right? and so Here's a YouTube dilemma. You ready? All right guys you out there get your shoes get your Get some medication for your shoes. I'm about to step on your feet We've got the Seiko who is the Alan par the Ruslan the James white the Layton flowers the K Deb true the proverbial lives The AD Robles and so on and so forth We got all these guys who have their own feelings about things and sometimes we do what? We butt heads Now I can rattle off a few more names as well a bunch of names some really large channels Some small channels and some in between When we see the fikes of discord that we have happening Have you noticed Ruslan that is typically all male all males? I mean it is a it is a male dominated space, but yes, I think I think that's a that's a solid That's a solid Observation on your court. We don't see a list of children's and Doreen virtue So maybe that has something to do with with how we're made up, right and we want to because because let's be honest guys Ladies y'all y'all can go ahead and turn the volume down a little bit. I'm just gonna talk to them in for a second We are insecure creatures. We really are We want people to see us a certain way and so we act the way we think people ought to see us and then we'll come back and say Well, I don't care what you think What yeah, you do because people who say I don't care what you think they care what you think or else You wouldn't say it and so I think our testosterone our pride comes up in how we deal with people, right? Yeah, and so Let me ask you a question Corey. Go ahead when you when you've Mis-stepped and maybe said something the how did you course correct that? Well, I did what everyone else I've taken down videos before I've taken out videos before I've corrected myself and and like I've I've tried to clip stuff out of videos and I've corrected myself in future streams But like there's a video from 14 months ago that like I took down I thought I took down and Montana Viking pointed out to me that it was still on my Facebook Stuff that that I was just wrong on and I said I was wrong and I tried to remove it and clean it up And I just didn't but when you're saw when you when you miss when you misspeak when you're wrong and something do you? Make like do you think we're required to make a correction video or do we just say man? I dropped the ball here. I'm gonna keep it moving in the next stream How do you usually course correct that because that's I think that's a good well a good question for a lot of us See me. I don't I don't make any mistakes on YouTube and so You know what I've taken down videos The ones that I've taken down, I don't think that I was necessarily incorrect But it was probably a little harsh in how I how I portrayed those videos I took down to one on on race And it was kind of impugning one other person. I won't say who this guy is and you know what I Disagree with his take but let me just take that down just for the because you know, I'm cool with the guy I actually got one on you Because you know what yeah Let me just let me just just pull it down now. I've got now I've got a video where No two videos I believe where I have a clip of Ruslan in it where I disagree with Ruslan Typically oftentimes my wife is the first one to correct me So Wait, what are you gonna do the first thing you do when she says something that you know you disagree? I mean that that hey, I would have done this then what do you have to do? I got a yeah, honey. I agree with them walking way. I'd know she'll know what she's talking about You know, and then I think about a look at I go back and look at it. Okay. Yeah, you know what you're right But if you make a mistake on YouTube if you say something I think you should do two things I think you should let people know publicly I had an issue with with latent flowers was something that that not in the video But I mentioned that he had blocked me He had made some comments I did a rebuttal video and that he did not refute this video and his response was to I think was to block me and to Delete my comments and in his comments as well on my channel He did come back and say that he that it wasn't him or it may have been one of his one of his moderates Whatever, it's okay. We know it fine. So I came back on The next of the day after that and told the people you know what guys this is what happened with with laden And it's what he says so I won't say that anymore Okay, and I didn't make a video stating that but I wouldn't stick that on video And so I think it's incumbent upon us if we make a mistake and and we say something on YouTube And we realize we're wrong. Well other folks ought to realize what we're wrong, too That's where humility comes in and so if I've said something and that there probably are some videos I may need to take down that I mean to go back and look at because I don't know about you I got over to you. I know you've got a lot more videos than I do I've got over 200 something 230 something videos. I don't know what I said last week Yeah, so yeah, and it's such a new platform and way to share Bible studies and information and how much stuff are you you saying off the cuff? How much stuff are you prepped for you have notes for right? So I think there's such a wide spectrum and you just bantering with the crowd and you know the chat And then somebody screen grab there's so many different things that uh that could happen with this whole entire under Like this new format. I think of YouTube that I do think that it's you know, I don't know I think a lot of us do it. I've done it. I've taken videos down. I've corrected before I think the issue is sometimes the corrections don't always get seen You know what I mean when you say something and then the correction isn't seen and then it's like well You said this and it's like man. I was a while ago or I like legit misspoke, you know So anyway, we can get into any of that stuff right now. I don't want to ask. Oh, no, no I'm well bad questions on YouTube when First of all, it's I like what you what you said if if Christians say something incorrect Christians fight somebody in the fight in the disagreement is wrong At least one person Now it may be that both are wrong But if you feel like you're first off if you're not if you're above being wrong Then I'm gonna have to question your walk with Christ I really am because if you think that you don't make a mistake if you don't fumble You don't fail. You don't fall then you have you have no one you have no need of Christ And if you have no need of Christ, and he is not your savior, so I think you ought to be at a position to where you You're at least open to being wrong. Yeah, which is why for me people have asked me Will I rebuke this person I get again guys? I'm gonna touch on some things that that might make some folks uncomfortable Somebody asked me with the whole let me just go and bring this out with the whole Marcus Rogers and and and Seiko Woods deal Some folks like the way Seiko handled it some folks didn't well people know that I'm cool with Seiko So wait a minute Corey. I don't like the way that I didn't like the way the Seiko handled it So so since he handled it that way and I'm upset with him then what about you? Okay? Here's the thing guys. We're not five years old We're not in kindergarten. It's not hey I don't like Bobby and so you can't like Bobby too Who we don't do that? Okay? That's not how this thing works If you got issue with Bobby what you don't do is go find someone else to be mad at Bobby with you now What I've said and I mean this if I got an issue with again will use Seiko and I believe he's in the chat But if I got issue with Seiko and he'll verify this I'll talk with Seiko. I'm not gonna talk to to say about Seiko to you guys, okay? I tried to keep things on on doctrine. So someone said well, hey, I think that he is This is that I said well, if it's an issue of style Then that's something else But if it's issue of sin then then I've got to say something about it Whatever, but what I'm going to do is I am going to speak to him That's what that's what I think it's what we ought to do if I've got your number and what's happening Lately is we are and I let's let's just be honest Satan does Try to have his way with us as believers to and if he can get us going at each other Then he will and a lot of times we do just like he gets us going to each other with family members Me against my brother my cousin my aunt what have you and so I'm gonna try to air on not doing that But you all know me. I don't have a problem swinging. I don't have a problem swinging at all but I have swung a lot in the past and connected with the wrong person or with the wrong motives and Let me just say this I might I might I've been in a position guys and I you know a little bit about this story Ruslan I've been in a position where there was a lot expected of me and I've had some I've had a high position In the church and in business and in the community And I failed I rather than Holding up my end of the bargain living up to where I should have lived up to I was a disappointment I let down my wife. I let down my children More than that. I let down God and so I'm not the kind of person. I'm trying to hold back. I'm almost cried right? I'm trying not to I'm not the kind of person who is going to assume that When someone else does something wrong, it's because of bad motive Sometimes you can do stuff and it's not your intent, but then you kind of get it's like walking fast down the hill You can't stop yourself. And so I want to afford the same level of grace as someone that God affords me Now does that mean that I that I should compromise on if a person is in open sin But I'm gonna show them grace and let them let them pass on the sin No, but it's how I deal with them. We're gonna get into that in just a little bit But I want I want to ask you some questions. Sure Because you and I had a conversation before about And I think this this is something that people ought to know about you We had a conversation I said rightly or wrongly fair unfair this is how people see Ruslan and Then what you told me and I like for you to share with other people is Who you're trying to talk to kind of your audience what you're trying to accomplish when you talk to people and so I want to I want you to go ahead and and share with other with the people kind of what you told me I don't remember the conversation about them two months ago. I do I vaguely remember we've had quite a few conversations So I don't remember the particular details of each one But I do remember talking and there is something we are attempting to do that's a bit different with regards to speaking to people who are on the fringes who are not Christians Who are maybe on the further end of the extreme in terms of like really out there Attempting to to kind of pull them back into some orthodoxy and orthoproxy with regards to that And I think sometimes when I when I'll make a video and I'll play devil's advocate the assumption is always that's his position That's what he's representing with a specific video when a lot of times is I'll Legitimately be sitting here talking to my non-Christian friends about an issue or trying to better understand what somebody's position is and when I'm Articulating the opposite view in a in a video which is creating tension in his good story telling people assume that like that's Ruslan's position He's feeling the blank and I don't always get it right. I mean, I probably get it wrong a lot But I think that's the difference in that I think certain channels exist to just teach the Bible to people certain certain channels exist to teach people the Bible Well, what I'm doing is is probably a little bit different where I'm speaking to to more of a post-modern audience a Lot of which is not Christian a lot of which may be really struggling With certain issues and trying to reel them back into orthodoxy and that may not make sense to someone That's like why are you why are you not just preaching the Bible? Or why aren't you calling out more people on this thing? Why is this thing not you know? And so that's that's never been my that's never been the point I've always had the heart to reach people far from God It's always been why I've made music why I've made art right to make it palatable For people that that don't know God and to pull me and that's the format of the the videos like people see the videos And I'm gonna comment on stuff that's trending in culture not necessarily a Bible study on stuff Now and to be fair when I have That's when I usually get myself in trouble when I go into a Theological manner sometimes that's where that's that's I'm not I don't have a camp like I'm not The Calvinist guy, I'm not that right like I don't have a singular Systematic theology. I've been all the above. I respect all the above I've had some experiences that I don't think were always helpful across the board with all camps like negative experiences with all cam And so I think that's probably where people are like man Some of these things, you know, you you're wrong on Calvinism or you're wrong on this And then I'll attempt to try and bring on a Calvinist, you know and and let them explain it They'd be like, oh, well, he's not good enough as a cop like he has this issue over here with his other views You know, so I think that's the thing is is like I'm not trying to be about theology on here as much as I'm trying to Stay within the confines of orthodoxy of what is the essential historical scriptural Non-essentials fundamentals of the faith while at the same time reaching people that are far from God, okay in our The way we do things and and there are several content creators on the on the chat right now And they're gonna be some several more. It's gonna wash us later Every last one of us have the same thing in common There's gonna be some criticism in the comment section of every video, right? So there's always somebody that disagrees with what we said are are saying matter of fact There's some people that they don't disagree with what we just said they just disagree with us and our existence, right? You are you are a heretic you're the devil and so forth. It's alright. I'll tell you what I got some time on this live stream Come on. Tell me why now most of them won't but The issue why by the way, we open up the patreon zoom call twice or twice a week and people do call call in and Will challenge me on stuff from time to time. So that's not something that I don't do. Yeah now Let's say when when I deal with somebody now I'm gonna share with you guys in just a second But I want to ask Bruce line this and I want you guys to be thinking about this and then like I said I'm getting ready to bowl down The live stream chats alley. Okay, so I know and I see there are a lot of comments We're gonna see what your comments sound like In just a second. Okay. Now if you know me you ought to know one thing that I believe I think I'm pretty I think I'm pretty pretty solid when it comes to the word I mean I'd be the best out there, but I think I can I can handle myself and I'm again I'm also not afraid so far I've not compromised on anything and God has blessed me So guess what I'm gonna keep to do what I think I should do. However, I need to be convinced that it's the right thing But I want to do it in a certain Attitude now when I come across somebody and here's here's a question for for you Ruslan Everyone has to be thinking about in the chat When I come across somebody who I think is an error How do you think you ought to deal with someone who is in error? I Think I think it's full of grace and truth right John one Jesus comes full of grace and truth So I think all our words need to be seasoned with grace and truth I think we need to be truthful. I think we need to be honest I think we need to be direct at the same time. I think we need to be Gracious with how poor people are at and what they're dealing with so I think it's a it's an both I don't think it's a either or and I think where someone is they can kind of go To one extreme or the spectrum or the other one It's just about truth and they're seldom grace and I don't mean grace as in like giving the person I mean seldom grace and tone mercy and tone in the way the arguments are presented straw manning somebody's argument misrepresented I think that happens way too often I think that's one of the least charitable and gracious things you can do when disagreeing with something So I think you got to come full of grace and truth. Okay, so I think I think the first thing We ought to do is one figure out who we're talking to if I'm talking to an unbeliever Versus talking to a believer there's going to be some differences And the person's character as well is going to determine kind of my tone and what I say Here's what I mean if I'm talking to a brother I'm never going to treat the brother as though he's a non-believer, right? We have the same daddy. We eat at the same dinner table. So I'm not going to treat him for example, I won't treat Joe Bob the Christian like Frank the heretic if Frank the heretic is a heretic I'm going to hey, I'm going to reach out and so forth But he if he's going to continue to be heretic I have no problem with bringing out the knife and go to cutting slicing and dicing There is a part to play for people to be More cordial. There's a part to play for people who are going to be more Hard-handed, right? There's the hammer There's the nail. There's the sandpaper. There's there's the table. We all play different parts And so this brother over here might be a little bit more stronger in his tone This brother over here might be a little bit more Forgiving in his tone the question is going to be or which one should it be? And it's not the same all the time because if you have the exact same tack with everybody all the time Then I can promise you you're doing it wrong You know how I know because Jesus didn't have the exact same tack with everyone who was either in sin or not And so this is the hard part. This is the conundrum of a Christian when to be a lion and when to be a lamb It is it's just difficult because I want to be loving I want to stay out I want to be strong when it comes to doctrine up But and I want to be loving but also want to be wise and let's just be honest We all mess up. We all sometimes get them crossed And so there are times in the Bible where we see this happening So guys I want to go there and I want to look up some scriptures first just so I can We can have a kind of a place where we can start off, right? So let me go to Galatians six one They move this out of the way And I'm in the wrong spot. There it is says his brother if any of you is caught in a Transgression now this word for transgression is not necessarily a sin Okay, I want to make it clear this word for transgression here is not necessarily a sin But something that they might be doing not necessarily the correct way Whoever it is though you who are spiritual Should restore him in a spirit of gentleness keep watch on yourself. Bless you to be tempted. So Why is that important? Because at some point in time it might be you who needs to be restored it might be you and so I'm open to to criticism Somebody's gonna tell me after this is over with that Cory You had this guy Ruslan on the line and you didn't give it to him and so my statement is going to be To anyone. What should I give him? Should I should I say hey Ruslan? Why are you now? I think I think there have been times let me just say this I think there have been times where there are some guys that been on your channel that I bet I probably would have gone harder at And that I wish that you would have gone harder at but then again You have an in road to them and so maybe you could To speak to them say I can't you can call up XYZ I Can't right Now I'm not saying XY this person XYZ is actual heritage, right? This guy is just he believed differently Maybe he's Pentecostal, okay And I'm on record saying that I don't think that Pentecostals are not Christians They're a bunch of Christian folks who are Pentecostal charismatic who love the Lord matter of fact their doctrine might I think is wrong But their heart is right versus I know some people who have the right doctrine, but have no heart, right? so You're in a better position than let's say the other person, right? Whereas but also the person who would rather swing a little harder than let's say Ruslan is in another position and so I Think that that Paul is writing this Paul is not writing this letter guys To the non-believer. He's writing this letter to us He's writing this letter to us how we should treat people because We gonna be the first thing When I fell in sin Though you know what I want it more than anything else Ruslan. Hmm. I want to folks that forgive me quickly Hmm, I want you know may all right fine. I get it. I get in and and and there were some guys the older pastors were coming at me heavy-handed And so there is a time where you've got a pound them, but if the intent of the pounding Isn't to build me up and to bring me around Then now are you just beating up on me? And there were some folks there that just they were beating up on me And they were so happy So happy that I that that lost the business They were so happy that that that I left the church They were so happy that my house got foreclosed on and the reposition of the cars They were so happy when I went to prison. They were so happy Fast forward several years later. I'm out. Hey, brother. How you doing? Hey, let's go. Man. You're doing good. Okay. Yeah You're right. Hey, how you doing? You everything all right? I'm gonna act as though They didn't they didn't say what they said. I'm gonna act as though I didn't read their emails and their texts what they were saying about me But at that time I wanted some, you know some some love, right? Because of the time I didn't know that I was jacked up didn't know it at all Until God brought me down to face myself Somebody's got to be there, right? Somebody's got to be there to face you and so While there were the folks who knocked who helped to knock me down who meant well hit me hard I'm thankful for them. I'm thankful for He's passed away, but my brother Antrim who who gave it to me straight. He told me a couple times I'm trying to he said shut up Corey shut up matter of fact one time He said Corey shut the hell up. You are talking too much You trying to defend yourself wrong you and sin you just want somebody to hug you. No shut up And he had me crying but but I knew he meant well. I knew he loved me. Yeah, it's good But now there was other folks who were telling me shut up Um who I know didn't have my best interest heart And so I think you can swing hard as long as folks know that the other hand is also there to help you up I want to knock you down, right? And so before I go just kind of what what are your thoughts on that? Yeah, I think that's good man. I think I think I'm sure those people who in hindsight Swung hard you probably appreciated something like you just mentioned and I'm sure you also appreciated those folks That were down there with you in the trenches when you had hit rock bottom um, I remember there was a close friend of mine I'm talking close like we go back ninth grade. This happened twice unfortunately and um He he he he was supposed to take me out on my birthday and he called me on my birthday. He said hey, I uh Is he'll take you out on your birthday? We're gonna go see a movie and then he didn't call me His wife calls me and says hey so-and-so is getting ready to leave me And I was like what you know, so I like run over there I'm like what is going on and and he's like yeah, I'm leaving my wife. I'm over it I'm gonna divorce like what are you like you can't know like you can't do that So I ended up taking him out to dinner Uh, and I'm having this conversation with him and he's just like yeah, like I'm done. I'm done I don't feel like this is gonna work. I'm done. I'm like, bro. You have no grounds for divorce you have no grounds for divorce And I ended up being the the very stern Voice in his life and he ended up getting disfellowship from our church kicked out of the church to elder Saddam down kicked him out of the church. Mm-hmm. And there were other brothers around That I was really irritated with that kept hanging out that kept being around him That uh kept going bowling with him and and playing poker with him And I felt like they were enabling that like yo, you're like he this first good thing in chapter five Like this dude is unrepentant. This is how they should play out. This is how church discipline plays out Long story short, um, he ended up leaving his wife. His wife got remarried. Um, he got remarried Uh, and and He calls me Five years later four years later And and I was the bad guy like in my community. I was the I was the bad guy for being like, no, this is out of pocket You can't just divorce your wife Because you feel like it you there's no grounds. This is not okay. Um, and he called me and and Corey he told me he said, um He he said man, I'm sorry I have to apologize to you because I put you in an impossible situation And it it it costed me a friendship and it and it costed to do attention in my community because there's certain things I just won't tolerate Um within the confines of someone who claims to be a believer and and that's one of them Like someone that's just flippantly leaving their wife because they they feel like it that was that's that's a that's the first Corinthians chapter five issue Um, and so I'm sure he also appreciated those brothers that were still by his side Even though I thought in hindsight, I still believe like yo, you're out of pocket, right? You you're you're you're coddling him. You're not being honest with him You're not putting them pulling a band-aid off and rebuking him and telling him like bro You're insane And you know, he's gotten remarried. It's it's weird how those types of things work out But I hear you and I've been through those types of situations and they suck man Like they're not They're not pleasant to be in they're not pleasant to be the good guy or the bad guy in those types of situations Yeah, um What I think matters Obviously, I believe wholeheartedly and strongly about doctrine I really do I think doctrine matters doctrine matters doctrine matters And uh, again chats. I'm coming your way in a second But and and I'm oh later on who knows aft because Ruslan's gotta run afterwards But I may open this up to you guys And if I do I want now Let me just let me just say this in my um, uh in my older stern voice If you got a critique about what I'm saying You better hope that your critique um can counter what I'm going to say if you think I don't know the bible I'm going to give you some scriptures and these scriptures are to you Because oftentimes worse than the youtubers fighting back and forth are the people in the chats fighting back and forth As though god only cares about the people who put together the content and not the folks in the comment section talking No guys gonna deal with you And if the grace that you want when you do fall or when you mess up if that's not the grace that you're giving You won't get it from him. I want you all to remember that Again, I've made my statements And when I had an issue and I said it I said it to Ruslan if I had an issue Let's say with psycho. I said the psycho if I had an issue with bottom line dads on here I said it to him. I called him up. I don't have a problem with talking it Let me say to my burning mac voice. I ain't scared of any of you I love you all and I'm going to tell you what you need to hear matter of fact Let's go to the scriptures. Um, but before I go to this particular past. I want you all to remember this Two brothers in the Lord who we know about Paul and Barnabas had an issue about another brother Paul had a serious issue with Barnabas thought he was too weak Thought he was too weak Now Barnabas, um, his name means encouragement and Barnabas wants to encourage other folks. Paul like, no, heck no No, forget him. Forget him. Yeah, he probably didn't even say Now we know his tone changed because later on when Paul is at his death Who does Paul ask for? He asked for Barnabas. I mean for uh for john mark, doesn't he? And we've got a we've got a Book in the bible bearing his name So who was right and who was wrong? Well, they both may have been right. They both may have been wrong We do know that uh, paul was probably a little too tough on john mark Barnab or maybe maybe maybe his toughness caused john mark to kind of look at some things But we know that Barnabas's encouragement also helped to shape him We've got a we've got a letter In the bible bearing his name, but I want to look at something Not on john mark, but about what paul is saying to us. And so I want to go to roman's chapter 14 Uh, chapter 14 verse one. Can you see that ruslan? I can if i'm honest with you. I got the video pulled up here So i'm gonna look down while you're reading it. Okay If you want to tell me what verse it's in I can pull it up. So it's chapter 14 verse one starting in in romans Let me pull it up. It's too small. Hold on. I'm gonna pull it up on this screen And i'm gonna try to read it in my in my best presenter's voice Are you in the are you in the esv or the esv the esv Romans 14 one. Okay. Go for As for the one who is weak in faith Well, for many of you guys, you're gonna feel like the best not you So you're the one who's strong in faith. So he's he's writing to you. How do you treat the person's weak in faith? He says welcome him But not to quarrel over opinions One person believes he may eat anything while the weak person eats only vegetables Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains and let not the one who abstains Past judgment on the one who eats for god has welcomed him. What he's talking about Is not a sin but more style Um, how we do things and so when someone says why don't you get on this brother for His sharp tone his sharp rebuke The same reason I don't get on this brother for his more loving Rebuke or for his more cordial tone Because if I choose this side and this side is right and that side that I chose is wrong Then I'm in trouble, right? And so someone asked me what am I going to do about something? So I'm gonna sit back and watch because I don't know what god is doing God might be using this person to hammer this person down He may at the same time be using this other person to kind of build this person up because if he's knocked down And he comes and if he comes face to face with the lord, who's he gonna turn to and so let me keep reading He says one person esteems one day is better than another while another steams all days are like each one should Listen to what he says each one should be fully convinced in his own mind So you better be convinced about what you're doing and really why you're doing it Verse six the one who observes the day observes it In honor of the lord the one who eats eats in honor of the lord Since he gives thanks to god while the one who abstains Obstains in honor of the lord and gives them now obviously somebody isn't doing something correct Obviously what god knows about us is though even though we might be trying to do our best We're gonna mess up We're gonna screw up a lot and I do mean a lot and so let's continue says none of us lives to himself And none of us dies to himself for if we live we live to the lord and if we die we die to the lord So then whether we live or whether we die we are we are the lord For to this end christ died and lived again that he might be lord both of the dead and the living Now I want to pause there for a second, but his point is this First of all, you better be sure about what it is you're doing and why you're doing it best number one And what you also ought to do is remember the person who might not be doing it your way Okay, now What I love to see Let's say ruse line or island par anyone else do things the way that court minor would do Yeah, I think ruse lines should do everything the way I want him to do I think say go would she do everything the way I want him to do I think bottom line dad and Montana vikings should do everything the way I want him to do I really do now would that be stupid sure it would be it absolutely would be Um, and I'm pretty sure that they all wish that I would do things the way they would do it That's just how it is guys y'all realize that god chose a bunch of idiots to be saved He didn't choose the geniuses. He chose us Right. He chose the hypocrites. He chose the backstabbers. He chose the liars He chose the weak. He chose the strong He told he even chose for folks who are unforgiving and folks who are too forgiving and some folks in between That's what he's done And so for me, let me say this for you guys who are the I'm gonna use him because because he's strong of handling for you guys who are the seiko woods hater I am fully convinced that god is using him on some things Do I do I believe that everything the seiko says out his mouth is what I would say? No, I've talked to seiko again. I'm not going to share with you guys what I've said I've told seiko that I've talked to this other guy. I told the other guy I talked to seiko I don't tell him what I talk about Because that would just that's I think what's wrong um ruse line The reason why I brought this issue that we are that we are its majority of men who are involved in this Um, I think we've lost how to become men how to be men Ourself included myself included You know what I had to catch myself on doing And it's it's out that we I'm guilty of it So I'm not saying if you've done this that I'm calling you out. I'm calling me out as well I just found out what the term beta male is I did I've been under a rock I just found out two weeks ago what what what red pill is I said, oh Listen, I just I just found out I think I found out what what the word meme means So, okay But my point is I just found out what beta male is a little while ago and I've I've used it and then I had to get myself Cory what grown man calls another man or or or challenges another man on his manhood See I've been some places where you challenge a man on his manhood You better be a be ready to go in his mouth like because he's going in yours We there because there's no there's no need I don't have to say man ruse line is weak First of all if he is weak then um me telling him ain't gonna make him realize it But what if I'm wrong? And and and ruse let's let's say what I'm saying about ruse line and ruse line really is a child of god Now if he's not a child of god, then Well, first of all if he ain't a child of god, I'm still wrong because I'm supposed to treat him A certain way, but if he is a child of god, then now I am attacking a child of god so I don't want to do that and I think us as men we are leading the fight Um in the wrong direction sometimes I do um matter of fact, here's a brother of mine who uh Who was who was there in prison with me? Um, it gets rough in prison sometime But how you compose yourself how you handle yourself? I think it goes a long way because now you can talk to somebody who there's some rough guys in prison ruse line There's some rough guys out there who who uh will sooner kill you Um and how you deal with them. I want I want to see their souls saved. I want to see them come to christ And I'm not now I've had some times where I had to go off on some guys too Man, you know, you're going to hell, right? Who you talking to? I'm talking to you. You the one going to hell. What? Yeah, listen If you're gonna live the way you're living and you don't want to make if christ's not your lord, you're going to hell Well, because he knew I also loved him too He'll listen to that so I can be there's a balance to where I can I can punch you and then rub you at the same I don't mean rubbing you kind of enough I should have used that word Pause yeah, I can be harsh and helping at the same time Yeah, yeah, as as as it should be as it should be. I think I think we should we should all be In that regard, you know where where hey, man, like I saw this I heard this is this good Is this is this helpful? What were you thinking? And I think I think without Saying specific details I think Cory me and you both do that probably behind the scenes that you know, that doesn't need to be publicly stated You know when that when that does happen behind the scenes is it and it does happen And people do it to me by the way behind the scenes and sometimes not so much behind the scenes And and I think and I think sometimes it's valid like sometimes it's valid Can I tell you something that that my wife helped me with you? Sure, you check this out Guys y'all, let me just say this this is not not being messy But the first time that me and Ruth I had interaction I got blocked because it was over something about social justice stuff, right and so we probably still disagree on that stuff and This is my wife said because I'm I'm upset. I'm by the what what what She said Ruth's line you're how do you? 36 37, huh? Yeah 37. Okay. So here here's Ruth's line 13 14 15 years younger than me, right? um a few years older you are five six years older than my daughter and he she said Well, Cory first of all he's not going to see things the way you are because you're different people, but also Maybe what he sees he sees things from the eyes of a 30-something year old just like your daughter Thought about that for a second. I thought you know what yeah Yeah, because the group of people that I have the most problems with Some of your older folks in chat might understand this too are the 30-somethings. Why because when you're in your 30s You you know a whole lot more than you knew in your 20s, right? Well Um when you get in your 40s and 50s you realize that dog. I was still kind of Messing up in my 30s, but I started I started the old saying youth is youth is wasted on the young is true You spend all your youth trying to realize Uh, what you think you know and then when you get older you realize I didn't know anything in the first place And so a lot of times the tension that I would have either myself with 30 something with 30 somethings And I noticed the people who I've had the bigger issues with Had been in their 30s the guy that uh, whose name So remain nameless guys Uh that everyone is he's a favor of the month right now. He's in his 30s. Now. I think he's a heretic I think that he is doing the the gospel of disservice and I think everything that he's got coming at him every attack I think he's got he's earned that I really do. I think I think he is Um a horrible representative of the gospel because he's not represented the gospel That being said I would love to see him come to christ I would um, I think allen par missed an opportunity To get him. Um, am I going to condemn allen for that? Nope You want to know why I said this before it's not a secret the reason why Is because allen is a professed brother And so I can't I can't treat him like I would treat let's say marquess riders or uh, benny hand or creflo dollar Can't do that Why because we're on the same team I can say hey allen I wish you would do this matter of fact in the video that I did on tongues that you and I talked about I know allen you messed up right there on this issue of tongues. You you should know better, but you're still my brother uh saying a ruse line saying with anyone else and so But I could be wrong. I could be wrong. I want to read another passage. Um I think this is where's it at? Oh, here we go I want to read this is for you guys also in the chats and I said I'm coming your way in a second So here I come Says do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more Significant than yourself let each of you not look only on his own interest But also the interest of others when you guys are in this chat right now. Let me just put this on me for a second You guys who are in this chat right now There are there's some folks that are team ruse line There are some folks that are team make some folks that are team quarry. Maybe there's some folks that are team anti ruse line Are you fulfilling let me put it back on the screen. Are you fulfilling what uh, the bible is saying here You read it again do nothing from selfish ambition including your comments Or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than you than than yourselves You folks who think I ought to be going at uh ruse line. Are you counting ruse line? more significant than yourself I want you to ask that that question because if you're not shame on you You're just wrong Ain't no questions about it Yeah, I wouldn't I yeah ruse line. I wouldn't do it that way Um, so because you did it the way I didn't do it. I wouldn't do it. You should go to hell for that Wait a second. Hold up. Wait a second because The writing here in philippians is to me Let each of you look not only on his own interest, but also the interest of others Have this mind among yourselves, which is which is uh, uh, which is yours in christian now We all know where he's going with this whatever, but I think guys we got a problem I've we've got to figure out ruse line. I didn't put you up there. We got to figure out a way to handle our issues differently Not so quick to jump the gun To knock a brother down but also now. Let me say this as well We also need to be make sure that we are known that we stand for the truth And if you go against the truth Not gonna handle we're not gonna stand for that if you are compromising in the gospel not gonna stand for that If you are not if you are not defending the gospel Not gonna stand for that either especially especially because if you are a brother of mine I hold you in higher esteem. I think you know better Like I used to get my brother and uh, I used to get my brother whoopens How'd I do that? Because I would do certain things That he was hell responsible for Because my mother said well, you knew better He didn't he's your little brother, you know better Now me being devious I would use truck and and just so he can get in trouble. I love I love watching my brother chris Who was the idiot by the way guys? Get a whooping up or something I did. I don't know why it just brought me A smile on my face back then that made you real happy just Matter of fact, I hope he watches this video. Yeah, chris. You got about eight I can think of because of me So praise god But that's not how we should be with our own brothers Um, I'm not gonna stand for you to behave a certain way when I expect you you say you are especially if you're christian content creator You are putting out content and you should know better And if you don't know better, let me show you better And if you want if you don't want to listen to me show you better, uh, then let god do you better That's what's gonna happen and so I might next week who knows I might do a video on rooslyn next week I might I might do one on one of y'all by the way most a lot of times I do videos on some stuff that you guys say but It hurts my heart rooslyn it really does Um, let me let me bow down some of these lanes Um, I'm trying to see I'm trying to see uh to chest champ mr. K dyna jarena uh will Who else needlin k.l Basic all you guys It bothers me that we cannot get along better than what we do the way we do It it really bothers me even if the person because you don't I I'm starting to realize how much easier it is to get a hold of certain people And so now everybody can't get a hold of I can't But those who I can't get a hold of I'll sit and I'll start talk to I try to get a hold of Marcus rhymes. I did He ain't gonna talk to me. Okay, cool Um, I've I and if you have an issue with doctrine, I'm gonna talk about your doctrine I'm gonna talk about your doctrine because your doctrine is about my beliefs And so it's fair game Um, there's some allies. I won't go down I'm not saying that no one should bow down those allies um but Whatever you're doing however, you're prosecuting The devil and whoever's being used by the devil. Amen as long as your motives are right And as long as you are biblically based in doing so I can't trip. I really can't so Go away before I before I continue Ruth. I listen I can I can talk so I'm letting you rock man. This is good. This is good. I think I don't know Corey. I think is is we all have our natural slants and biases towards what we deem as the utmost Of utmost importance, right? And um, I think obviously the fundamentals of the faith of the of Doctrines of the faith are are important, you know, Jesus being god salvation by grace through faith Um, bible being the inspired word of god. I think those are those are those are important the literal resurrection of Jesus There's only one god, right? I think those are important. Um, I think my question becomes is Kind of keeping an eye on the chat And thinking of what you're kind of what you're kind of getting at is like how do we Move people from right believing to right action Right because our orthodoxy should impact our orthoproxy. So if I'm believing the right things I should eventually Start behaving a certain way. I should eventually do certain things like Be more kind be more to exhibit those fruits of the spirit, right? And I think uh That would just be my heart for the people here is like man We all have our different our different slants one of the things that is very important to me is seeing young men Experience breakthrough with their addictions Develop financial literacy develop scarce skills. I could beat that drum all day long, right? But I I don't think you do that and then you say anybody else who doesn't do that is now not doing it, right? Or Um, anybody else that might have a different take on something like that is not doing it, right? Um, and so that's like one of my convictions for One of the reasons I'm trying to do the chance like I want I really want people to live God's way Like live your life God's way you get you you you live God's way by getting into God's word And if you're getting God's word, you'll learn God's ways and if you live God's ways, you'll always be in God's will That's my heart like I like I really want to see people do that um and and Cory as I'm sure you know and and and brother, uh, brother allen other brothers have done things like Man, I we press heavy like hey get in the scriptures read through the new testament read through the bible in a year spend time in the scriptures getting um Getting actual proper understanding and framework referring people to other channels so on and so forth And so I think that's the part where um if we're doing all of this But the behavior of the audience is never changing Right is is it what what are we stirring people onto sanctification for? Right like sanctification is us Cooperating with the work of the spirit in our lives us becoming more conformed to who Jesus is And if that never changes the way we talk and never changes the way we we engage that never changes the way we talk to non-believers The way we talk to believers so on and so forth um What what what is the what is what is the point really if people aren't coming to the lord and living Their life like god, you know living their life the way jesus would have them live their life um that that that's my heart and so I think everybody Has different approaches to these things and and I and I agree with you like and again If there's anything you want me to address specifically chorea I'm not afraid to address anything if there's things I've been wrong on I'll own them If there's things I've been unclear about I'll I'll clear those up You know what I mean, um because I'm not I'm far from perfect and that's not an excuse That's not a license to say I'm far from perfect. Therefore. Don't hold me accountable, right? Like no no no I'm far from perfect I'm gonna make mistakes and I will own those mistakes and I will do better with those shortcomings in my life and and and chorea man The last 14 15 months I've changed I've evolved my views changed some things I watch back and I'm like I can't believe this video is still up. This is cringe Take that thing down, right? Like there's a lot of stuff that I I take down that that I've just In my own personal sanctification process within the last couple of months six months, right? That have just changed a lot for me. And so I think that's the part where It just comes off very cancel culture-ish like we'll look at the world and we'll be like, how dare you Try to cancel but then we're canceling each other within the church I disagree with this brother on this thing or the way he behaved in this situation Or the way he didn't come down hard enough in this situation. So I'm going to discard him Completely and say there's no there's no value that he presents and that's just such a It's just such a Like I genuinely feel bad if that's the state of christen them like if that's where we're at or at least What we we sometimes see in the comment section. I don't want to speak in absolutes So, I don't know that's There's nothing that that that that you've done to me that I need you that you need to you know We need to address anything that if there's something that that you've done anyone else or whatever That's for them. And so there's no need really for me unless you want to to hash it out with that You know about that person here because it's not between you and me It might be between you and joe bop. And so That's between you and joe bop. And so I'm not I don't I don't do the whole I saw a little bit of that deal because I don't I didn't know who Who uh, uh, the baby is Yeah, but I saw that and so I don't I'm not trying to uh, uh Jump on somebody. I'm done. You know, uh, uh jump somebody, you know, five against one or what have you? Um, and so You just used the baby as a illustration for Yeah, well, because I I saw that deal earlier I was like, what what is this? That's the power stuff that what those guys did by the way But anyway, uh but Um I want I want you guys to kind of hear my heart I have I've been through enough to where certain stuff just don't bother me Now I can say hey, man. Why is that bother y'all? Why why y'all should be y'all should be bigger than this by now y'all should grow because in the end The youtube stuff ain't the stuff that matters It really ain't it's really not Um, I've seen guys who are at the point where they're about to lose their life and they needed to work from the Lord I've I've been there with those guys Okay, I've been there with the guys who are struggling about taking their own life Seeing some guys where I think I may have failed in the guy that picked his life And so I know I I'm trying to learn which fights to fight Uh, and which one's not to which one should I let the next person have which fights should I let? um Ruslan have which which fight should I let? um Dear world christian have which which fight should I let seco have which fights should I should I let um avan have All the fights aren't for me they're not jesus makes a statement to to peter When he's giving peter instructions and peter looks back and says open look at y'all over there. What about him? We ain't worried about him. We talking about you and so sometimes god needs me to focus on what god needs me to focus on right and If you step out of the lane as as relates to doctrine You're in my lane now. Okay If you are Over here, and I'm not over there then so be it There's enough wolves to go after there's enough Uplifting christ needs to be done. There's enough sound doctor needs to be ironed out And so I don't sweat certain stuff for y'all guys remember what I've what I've gone through Remember, I'm talking about 13 years in the joint Right. Um, I'm talking about being in the worst prison in america Okay, getting down to it to the One of those softest prisons and really one of the gayest prison in america, which is polar opposites But so I've been through some things been shot at a few times guys being ran out of a town Once and then ran out of a house twice For some drug issues been homeless guys been homeless almost died Because of drugs in my system from my mother And then life just got worse thereafter So I'm gonna worry about the stuff that you guys are sweating when it doesn't that doesn't keep me awake at night And so pardon me for Uplifting the gospel more than Putting this guy down now granted if that guy is wrong He's fair game But we're not gonna beat him up just so for the sake of beating him up if this the issue we have to have a straight guys motive has to matter motive has to matter If I think that john is wrong Meet calling out john should be based on my modus for his for his well-being But if my meet my calling out is just uh, you know, I want to sucker punch him I think he's wrong and I I'm mad at that. Well, I need to check myself. I'm wrong You guys are wrong Anybody that came in this chat. I don't care who you are I don't care who you are anybody that came in this chat and wanted me to jump on roostline. You're dead wrong You're dead wrong because you didn't want me to jump on roostline for the sake of I see it I see it thumbs down. I don't care dismiss yourself If you came in here because you came to jump on him for the wrong reason You didn't come in here You didn't want me to uh to get on him for doctor's sake You don't want me to get on him for the sake of of of the gospel You wanted me to do because you wanted me to just just to get on him Why can't I get on him in in in private? I don't you know what? Yeah, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Give me the gospel. Give me scriptures Matter of fact, and so I know roostline. I gotta leave here matter. We're gonna do this We'll do this when roostline does leave Let me let me go ahead. I'm sorry quere when roostline does leave. I'm opening up the chats I'm gonna let you come on the screen and we're gonna go over scriptures Okay, yeah, we're gonna use this camera and we're gonna talk about it The reason I don't want you guys do it with roostline because I know what's gonna happen I know what's gonna happen. You guys are gonna want want to uh jump on him or what have you and I don't We're not doing that We're not doing that So you guys could jump on by calling into my patreon call every other Sunday night So yes, that's there. Uh, Cory, let me address this This this entire marcus rod just think I've addressed this before it's it's gotten clipped before Um, I'm and I don't know how many times I gotta address it. Okay If you look at the totality of my videos About marcus and there's a few They are all disagreeing with him on specific doctrinal issues Whether that's tongues Whether that's challenging him on his view of the godhead in the very first interview we did so on and so forth. Um Marcus and I are friendly offline. We don't we've never met in person, you know, I've never hung out with him and I think There there was a time where I said the word anointed and when I've referred to him as brother marcus I think people took that as an endorsement of his ministry and again, if people hear Everything I've said, I've also said I don't think marcus should be a church planter I've also said I think he's very wrong about x y and z said quite a few things In areas I disagree with him privately and publicly and privately Cory, I've repeatedly told him to go on your channel or go on someone's channel So he could unpack exactly where he is with uh, the trinity and the godhead repeatedly told him that I've uh, uh Dear world christian just sent me a video of marcus's godhead video. I haven't had a chance to watch it I I don't get I cannot watch every single video marcus puts out. It's crazy. I think sometimes there's this assumption that is if you are um If your acquaintances with someone if your colleagues with someone then you endorse everything that person believes And and pushes and I've also challenged a lot of brothers behind the scenes. Cory Dear world christians others. Hey If marcus is a oneness pentecostal, which he's never claimed that to me privately again challenged him privately about it Child said you need to clean this up your views on the trinity. They're very muddy. They're very confusing I've also challenged brothers on a page make one video where it's clear as day that marcus is Uh pushing oneness modalism make one video and just and and have one point of reference That if he is to be marked a heretic, there's one point of reference that everybody can go to a 15 minute video That clearly puts him in his own words saying these things because every time I check he's there's a lot of double talk There's jesus's eternal jesus was there from the beginning But jesus is a thought of god like it's it's it's very confusing. So I can't figure out if marcus is Working through these things which is again if i'm going to be hopeful and pray for the best and believe the best Right I'm hoping that he's working through these things on the other end of the spectrum the snake out of the back Which I talked about that right like all those other things. I've repeatedly Have talked about and been like this is out of pocket. This is not good tongues view bad. This is not good Right, I'm also when I'm speaking about these things and I haven't made a marcus video in a while. No, I plan to um I'm also speaking because I know his audience watches me and in the way. I'm speaking about him I'm not I'm not going to just Rattle off a bunch of stuff and just completely discard him because he is seems to be unclear with this and brothers privately This is not just beyond just youtube brothers privately have approached him about the trinity Approached him about the godhead all these different things. So I think that would be the the the tension in that is um, I've used the word anointed One time I shouldn't have used that word. I should not have used that word what I meant was he's a clever youtuber He's a good communicator the man could sit in his car Turn on the video and it's interesting. You know what I mean? That's that's what I meant to say I didn't say that that's my bad I should not have used a word anointed because it could have came off Like I'm endorsing him as an anointed preacher and speaker and do you think he's a brother? And as a brother right and and to be clear, I don't know I don't know if he's rejecting the trinity after repeatedly getting corrected off of the trinity that is a very dangerous heresy And again said this to him privately, right? So if we're saying hey, um, man I'm confused on this Help me understand which is usually the tone. Help me understand help me process versus like I reject this doctrine completely And it's one is Pentecostal and and motorism and that's what I'm on, right? I think there's a there's a there's a spectrum there There's a difference there and so I don't know exactly where he is. I don't watch all of his videos And I've never endorsed his church. I've never endorsed his ministry I've never I've said on record that I don't think he should be a church planter I don't think it's as healthy for him. I don't think it's good for the church I've said all of these different things. So I think what happens is we'll take a narrative Of bruce lawn endorses marcus rogers. Oh, and by the way, and when I say brother marcus rogers He refers to himself and third person as brother marcus. So if I'm saying brother I'm not saying brother in the lord marcus rogers. That is what he said the false prophecy I was one of the first christian youtubers addressing the false prophecy. I brought him back I had him on once to call him out to his face go watch the very first video And then I brought him on again when me and alan and john attempted to correct him in that So I've addressed the false prophecy. I've done all these different things So I think what people take is they'll say oh you said you weren't hard enough against his heretical view on tongs and how He believes like I didn't like I didn't know he believed in water baptism for salvation Didn't know that I think your video brought that to my attention, right? So I think this notion that uh, somebody comes on your channel You're friendly with somebody that you're endorsing everything. They believe Uh is is hogwash to me and I don't I don't think you believe that about my channel And you having me on is not an endorsement of everything. I've ever said and never will say And and that's the same thing with marcus like I don't I don't I don't know what what how is that confusing like Again, go ahead and you push backward. This is this. I've said this to you before I've said about other people And I said about myself Uh, if people get the view that ruse line is not definitive enough about something Uh, then all ruse line can blame is himself because he More than anybody else ruse line is responsible for the narrative that he puts out and how people see them Uh, if joe bob over here who has his channel people feel this way about him He's responsible for that. I am responsible how people see me Rightly or wrongly and so as somebody says because you know ideas you can say something 10 times Uh, and they didn't hear you say it Right because it's something now it might be something else that you said also that kind of muddies it up and so Me personally, I think he's not a brother I think I I I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was just and now I'm not being mean or I'll say this but that he just just not very intelligent just not just not bright, right? And he was just confused. Um, but then after I said, I said, no, he is he's intentionally doing some deceptive things Now we can get into also his his his actual Um person life the things that have transpired eat where you're getting them out of out of the army and so forth But just doggedly and how he's behaved yet. There's there's no doubt in my mind. I could be wrong I don't think so, but there's no doubt in my mind. That's why I have a problem saying Marcus Rogers, uh, if you don't change you're going to hell. You're not a christian You're not a brother. You don't even understand what the word you don't understand what the bible is And so I think now some folks want ruslan to uh to be the exact same I wish you would be more definitive on that. However, if if you're not I do know this that you have you're clear on where you stand I think you ought to be more stronger on this whatever, but I think, you know, we're gonna divide over this Because here's here's the thing and I want you guys to ask yourself this question. You guys in the chat All right, here's a question for every last person in the chat Especially everyone who is who was saying that I think that ruslan needs to be tougher You're ready I want you guys to pay attention is because I see you guys are you guys are chatting away You're not going to hear what I'm going to ask you, but I want you to think about this If you don't hear it now go back and watch the replay. Here's the question guys If anyone in your family A friend or loved one Is not as stringent or as strict or as strong as you are on a particular cause. Are you going to avoid them? I want you to think about that for a second if your wife or your husband Isn't as strong or as vocal about something as you are are you going to leave them alone? Because sometimes we it's easy to do it when the person is not we don't know the person We're not friendly with him, right? I can I can dismiss this guy over here because I don't I don't have the kind of relationship with him But honey boo over here and I can't she just is wrong, but I right and so that that makes us hypocritical So the issue is um, how much grace and love do I want to show my family members? Do I want to show them to me? But then I got to extend the same thing if I think that ruslan is wrong in his approach I got to extend the same thing to ruslan or allen parlomere else and so I don't treat Uh, those professed christians like they're not professed christians. That's just me Do I take because remember? And I'm not equating ruslan or any of these other guys with jesus, but the same tag was placed on jesus Jesus, what are you doing with these people? What's going what's happening jesus? so We need to be careful because here's the here's the danger guys. Here's the danger Now, I'm fully confident in what I say about marcus rogers. I am I'm confident about that. I think he's horrible. I I think he Let me get close to this mic real quick. Hold on y'all. I think marcus is horrible. I think he is horrible. Now that being said I'm sorry I think he's horrible But I'm hopeful that he can be turned around now About somebody else who I disagree with their tactics Somebody asked me again About about my buddy. I'm again. I'm cool with seiko woods guys. I'm cool. Let me say that I'm cool with seiko woods for you guys that want me to just just dismiss seiko because you don't like his style I'm cool with him. I'm cool with ruslan. I'm cool a lot of these guys, right? I'm cool with ruslan. There's about 10 guys Who would probably like to bury you on their channel I'm cool with them too Here's the issue guys if you're wrong If you're wrong on how you're treating the brother Who do you think you got an answer to? I want you to think about that for a second If you're wrong about ruslan or if you're wrong about alit or if you're wrong about me Or if you're wrong about seiko or if you're wrong about will or if you're wrong about uh rick Or if you're wrong about the ladies april if you're wrong about any person who calls himself a child of god Who do you think you got to deal with not them? So that's why um I'm strong in my in my in my resolve going against the the non-believer heritage I'm I'm going to proceed with caution with a brother a person who calls himself a brother Okay, so while there may be some differences in doctrine I'm going to love them Because there's no difference. There's no difference in daddy doctrine. We might differ on some things But daddy we don't same daddy Yeah, and I would and I would say and I would say how you differ in doctrine matters I think we're like people Would like to accuse each other of pragmaticism But if we think that like you you can hop on youtube say whatever you want and whatever to myself included about Anyone you want because they may be wrong or you may disagree with them or maybe they are in error Or maybe they're even heretic, but but but we can flippantly speak about anyway Man, Jesus said we're going to give an account for every word and that's a that's a that's something to think about so I think how we do these things quarry and what we say and the The the approach matters like I I don't I don't I don't know how we how we don't it's like We can't have this like ends justify the means approach to these conversations of like well just because so-and-so is an error I'm able to just flippantly talk any way I want about the man like you we're all going to have to give a count We're all going to have to give account and I don't think that's something to be playing with with with with regards to these platforms and so oftentimes I feel like we're more Comfortable with just being um Being known by what we're against and who we're against instead of saying hey Here is what the scriptures is and quarry from day one. I told you man I think that's the one of the things I really appreciated about your channels And I started poking away I was like man quarry is not just making videos going at people you actually have videos Explaining and defending eternal security, which is something me and you would agree on right? You have videos going over these different things and actually contending for the gospel And so and by the way, and that's not an indictment on quote-unquote Discermant ministries and I've had a lot of conversations with people privately I think it's how these things are done give you guys an example Um, I am not a fan of Bethel church Not a fan of Bethel church and I have a lot of friends that are influenced by Bethel church Whether musically or whether theologically but Mike winger's video on Bethel church the tone the format The desire to research the desire to let people speak in their own voice about their own theology And it not being a hearsay and not being this is what this person believes But Mike winger's video on Bethel and how they're in error is one of the best utilities For providing people a piece of content that says hey this some of this stuff is dangerous Some of the views on apostles dangerous. Here is them in their own words. This is pastor Mike winger His he's not dunking on them and just being angry. He actually walks you through a very thoughtful And I think it's like a two hour video that Mike winger put together on Bethel Then I think it was amazing and I and I feel like it's helping a lot of people and I've sent and I've sent that video It's a lot of people so it's not that the sermon ministries are wrong. It's not that we never talk about these things I think it's how we talk about these things and the means of which we talk about these things That I think is is very helpful. And so there's an example and by the way, I've used that example for a lot of people behind the scenes Hey, I know you want to do it this way, but check out the way Mike winger did it Here is bill johnson in his own words saying things that are outlandish that any christian could hear and go wait a minute That's out of pocket right and again you guys those who guys that may be like that So go check out that Mike winger video and I think that's a great blueprint Um, but you know what quarry that video Mike winger does one video a week He spends 40 hours researching prepping doing notes and I'm not saying you don't I'm saying Let's be frank a lot of times casters get on the internet and just start saying stuff They're not praying through stuff. They're not they don't have an outline of a sermon They're not approaching this with any type of reverence. They're just they're just going for it You know what I mean? And so I think if you guys are into the sermon thing I would say hey Use that as the gold standard check out that Mike winger video and Bethel use that as the gold standard I watched this video recently on a um A jollo sting he did a great video jollo sting line by line of his sermon. This is where he gets it right This is where he gets it wrong. This is how it's misleading, right? And I think when you see that sort of prep you got to admire it You got to go man That's that's so well done and the tone and the humility which he speaks at is good So I say I'll have to say um How is just as matter as the why and the what the how is just as important as the is the why and the What and I don't really see that a whole lot to be honest like from the quote-unquote discernment Community or I don't know if you identify as a sermon or whatever this is But the discernment community I don't see a ton of like reverence and I don't see a ton of grace and I don't see I just don't see that from from this up. I've poked in on and and it's also not straw manning somebody Like sometimes we straw man And we don't let the person say what they what they what they're actually what the actual belief is You don't let them actually say you kind of straw man you oh, so you mean less and some of it's being funny So, I don't know that that would be my like there's any value you'd say somebody said show those things for president I think I think this about The discernment ministries and listen I I think I'm subscribed to probably all of them Because there there's a value to them. There's something like wow this person said that This person said that what did you know because let's just be honest If if it weren't for some of these discernment ministries these quote discernment ministries We wouldn't know some of things as being said I love Well creature clips because he just plays a clip you come to your own conclusion, which I like that I like and Justin Peters is more than than that. So I don't even like to lump him in that category But Collin Miller, I think sometimes can Because if that's what all you're going to do then you're going to find yourself looking for that And let's just be clear. There is no such thing as a discernment ministry a ministry has to Has to promote the gospel and if you're not promoting the gospel you are not a ministry Even though you're talking about someone else not promoting the gospel are you are you all with me? And so there is no basis for that you should not you should not find the gospel on your way to finding snakes You should promote the gospel and on your way to doing so you might notice a snake and say hey guys Be aware of that snake, but I know you got to get ready to go But I want to let me just let me just let me just say this real quick And what you just described Corey the people who just make videos about how other people don't preach the gospel correctly That is where I would place the heresy hunter tribe. That's beyond discernment ministry That's full on like I just get up and and I'm trying to find something to be angry about or or again I don't want to assume and say that's how it comes off folks wake up and they go Uh, I just um, you know, what can I find what a piece of content can I find to be outraged about and just rail in? I'm gonna keep it a buck a lot of the videos aren't good They don't they just from a youtube standpoint and it's just kind of winging it and just railing in and there is no Direct preaching of the gospel to somebody asked if I believe you got to speak in tongues to be to be saved Absolutely not go watch my video on marcus rogers. I've never believed that. I don't think that I don't I don't think mark 16 is Intended to be taken the way that the far end carers maniac crowd would say that but I am not a Sensationalist like I don't believe all the gifts have ceased but no I do not I do not believe that No, here's what's gonna happen Because I just don't have to set people are um Most people who came in here Liking ruse line are gonna leave liking ruse line those who came in not liking ruse line. I'm gonna leave not liking ruse line um but And I'm cool with that one way or the other and you probably are too I think though as long as a person One their heart is towards preaching what christ did on the cross That he died for you and that's the only way to salvation We're good. We're gonna have some differences in Um, let's say social justice issues. We are we're gonna have some differences in how we deal with let's say somebody somebody's marriage How to raise kids we're gonna have some differences in doctrine and I believe guys doctrine doctrine marriage again Those books on a decoration. They're not I read through those books this this Dog on expensive bible software. I didn't get that just so I can put scriptures. I could I can go to One of the online things and put up there right or just cut and paste scriptures up up here But this is for me to grow. So this doctrine matters Understanding guys word does matter and I believe this as I said before we're not saved Based on what we know we are saved based on who we know best Jesus christ But now who we know is enhanced by what we know or you are with me That's very important. It's how you live Um and abundant life. I want to read this passage though. Um, because I know you got you got to get out here But I want to I'd be wrong. Let me just let me just co-sign everything you said Cory. I agree. Doctrine does matter I don't know any christian that would say teaching doesn't matter Like that is such an asinine position to be like doctrine doesn't matter. No doctrine matter You're worth a doxy will impact your worth of proxy. Absolutely and again Like go look at my last couple of videos guys Like I don't don't take the hearsay and the narrative go actually listen to what I'm saying and ask yourself Am I driving people back to the death burial resurrection of jesus? That christ lived the life we couldn't live that he died to death. We should have died and in our place on the cross I I drive that point home I would say an 80% of my video is consistently using whatever's trending to pull people and preach the gospel And if you don't see that then you're probably not watching you probably heard something you probably watched a video Something I said triggered you maybe I was confusing But i'm 100 with you what we believe, Cory will determine how we behave if we believe There needs to be a workspace salvation and we got to jump through all these hoops Then we're going to behave in in such a way if we believe that we're saved by grace through faith That is going to compel us to live a wholly sanctified life and cooperate with the spirit in our life So i'm i'm 100 100 with you that doctrine totally matters. Amen. Um Let me read this read this patch so we can go ahead and dismiss this part now um after this guys after uh ruslan leaves Some guys who I I got four dislikes and so you four may want to come on and and and talk to might it might be 10 dislikes That's fine. I'll I'll be here to talk with you. You can straighten me out. You better use scripture Um, and guess what guys both scriptures matter the ones where we're supposed to call out the wolves And the ones we're supposed to I got two more dislikes. We're supposed to love Uh people as well. They both matter and so there has to be some sort of some sort of healthy balance Right, so let me read this passage real quick and and then you all see if this Indite you or if this comforts you right? Uh, let's go back to it. This is Galatians 5 15 And he says but if you if you bite and devour one another Watch out that you are not consumed by one another. We read it again But if you bite and devour one another Watch out that you are not consumed by one another What he didn't say is you get to bite and bite and devour Based on this this and this he just says but if you bite and devour He says watch out that you are not consumed by one another. I mean it's coming back at you and so Maybe ruse lining in your cup of tea. Hey, that's fine Maybe this maybe I'm not your cup of tea. I don't know why you wouldn't why wouldn't be Maybe this guy over here in your cup of tea. That's fine. We need more people on on youtube We we we need more christians because I found this out that the guy that was a crack dealer or a drug addict You know who we can help lead to christ the crack addict or the drug dealer The person that was abused sexually Can relate to the person who also was abused sexually The person who like myself been in prison I I can go and you all think that hey this guy sounds a certain way Where's glasses? Uh, no touch no grill whatever that I can't talk to the guy in prison on the street Yes, I can And so you all we all have a part to play and it may not be for the same audience Which is fine, which is totally fine. Some folks are going to be this way some of that way as paul talks about They're different parts of the body And we all have need of each part to be part of this body and so guys I want to thank you all for being here ruse line brother. Um, I want to thank you for coming home I know some folks wanted me to kind of jump on you on the next video I promise i'm going to clown ruse line jump on you and talk bad about Corey thank you for having me. I'm in like this this was this was cool. I want you to know I appreciate you I appreciate our conversations privately Um, we're we don't agree on everything we quite probably quite a few things we disagree on but uh, you've always been charitable You've always been kind and those of you guys that have uh issue with me Reach out like really reach out reach out Don't don't don't don't leave me a dissertation in the comment section because because With people don't know couriers that gets autoflagged by youtube a lot of times We're like you're deleting comments. I guess I'll fly but reach out to me the easiest way to get a hold of me Is probably on twitter because it's just less traffic over there So I'll probably see your tweet um and reach out and if you if you want to have a reasonable conversation If I say something in a video recently and you think man this I think okay reach out and and and let's have some dialogue Let's let's let's have some dialogue because I I do engage and I I want the opportunity to turn my critics into coaches Um, and I think and I think that's helpful. I think that's healthy for all of us And because ultimately we should be stirred on more towards loving each other and loving each other and and isn't just I'm going to tell you all the good things you want to hear loving each other sometimes means hey man I think you were out of pocket here. I think we're I think I think this came off confusing I think you might want to clean this up, right? But usually those things are going to be well better said and received um in a way where we're having a dialogue and it's not a comment of a Parag multiple paragraphs that I'm just kind of like okay, I'm just not gonna I'm not going to read that You know what I mean and and it gets auto flagged a lot of time. So anyway, Cory. Thank you so much for having me I do got to go it's my niece's birthday today. We're taking them to the jump park I appreciate you. I'll try to catch the rest of the um the broadcast On on the on the way there. Hopefully my wife will drive, but uh, I appreciate you, Cory. Thank you Thank you, brother. You have a good one. All right, brother. Peace All right for the rest you guys I'm going to go if you want to come on if you want to tell me how how wrong I was and and how I am Enabling the enemy whatever you want to say Come on. I'll you know, we can have this conversation amongst amongst brothers and sisters Send an email to me. I'll send you the link smart christian channel at gmail and then we'll go ahead and talk Let me move this out of the way. This is actually in my way But we'll have this conversation Um now remember remember Uh, I am talking to any and everybody except We don't have a muslim band Uh, and if you are if you're atheist, you're welcome to come on if you're muslim You are welcome to come on If you're cowboys saying even worse, you're welcome to come on But if you are hebra is like No bueno Don't let us don't let us know that I don't know why the who these these porn sites or whatever these folks that just want to These people lord Then I ban it Okay, I think I banned them. Okay, cool. So if you guys want to come on send me a uh, send me an email And let's see Okay, I think I got somebody want to come on now. Let me send this link. I make it I may get some folks who want to get after me today, which is cool Which is cool if I was wrong if I was wrong, uh, I'm open for a rebuke Okay, can I come All right, somebody else. Let me send you the Now what I want you to come on primarily guys is for what we're talking about not for Hey, let's talk about one saved always. Hey, let's talk about tongues. Let's talk about Um, binding and loose. Let's I want, you know, if you want to come on talk about where you think I was wrong Uh, then let's have that kind of as a matter of fact Let me go to my regular My regular screen where it's just me and not the by the way. Did y'all y'all y'all see my deal Yeah, I hadn't you know mentioned anything about my about my new little my new little setup. So anyway, um It's got play tighten up. Okay, Tennessee tights. I hope that's what you're talking about anyway, so, um All right, let me move this over here so I can pull someone on Let me unlock is that screen unlock hold on one second. Give me one second All right now All right, here we go and bring you on What's going on brother? What's your name? Can't hear you I still I still can't I can see you well Coming in good, but I can't hear you I'm still not hearing you your mic plugged in because I'm not getting any volume my brother Let me go back. I'll tell you what. Let me put you on hold. Let me go back to the next go to the next person All right, I'm gonna leave you there though. All right. Got Roberto. Roberto. How you doing? Hey, what's going on? Yeah, turn turn your youtube volume off. How about now? I can hear you perfectly Let me tell you go ahead. Go ahead. Well, what you got my friend actually, um I had you had said something about um, you just wanted people on to address the current live stream So I really I don't know I listened to about half of it. So I mean, I'm not here to You know like come against you or or Ruslan. I actually admire both of you guys Um, same thing that you guys were saying about each other. There's things that that you don't agree about one another and You know, some things that you do agree with and stuff like that. I actually admire a smart christian channel I admire uh, uh, Ruslan um, but you know, I do have questions because um, I do I do have a couple a couple questions because um, you know, I I know I know You you hear this a lot, but I'm one of those that really really loves No, what happened? Jesus I've been in the hole. I've been in prison for a very very long time. Um, so like, you know, jesus saved me uh from the pits And uh, so I I love jesus with all of my heart. I know you guys, um, hear that a lot, right? So like The one thing That I have a concern not saying not saying absolutely um, that this does not happen uh with like channels like yours and Uh, you know, all the I watch all of them. I mean I watch all I watch you seiko woods ruslan Allen parr marcus rogers You know, the majority of you I watch you. I don't watch you all 100 percent of the time But I do watch y'all and my concern is really And I want to I want to know what your what your what your idea what your take is on this, right? My my concern is for the most part Right, this is not an indictment or anything like that but for the most part, right? particular when all of you all go live Um, you know the the the pre the the pre made videos I'm not I'm talking about when you go live and you start addressing Issues and stuff like that one thing that I see that is lacking Lacking not indefinitely not not mostly but lacking is prayer right I don't like like Like I think prayer is important. I think prayer is One of the most important things that we can do as a believer and for the most part when I see um The most of you all most of the time not all the time I I don't hear a prayer right. I don't hear a prayer at the beginning. I don't hear a prayer during I don't hear a prayer at the end Um, I just don't see prayer Going on and I think that that is a vital um Part of our faith as believers and as christians, right? I just don't see enough praying and I think is a concern. Is that a concern for you? Well, you're quite primarily but generally well, I don't I don't um Not really. Here's why I agree with you that prayer is absolutely important Before I come on I pray And my prayer is that what I say is what you would have me say lord and that it adifies you and it brings people closer to understanding you I don't always hit the mark. Sometimes I have to come back and say, you know what? I didn't do a good enough job with that Um, I want to have to do another video to clarify this point or to say it that way, right? And so like but today I wanted to pray because I wanted everyone to be in on this prayer But when I come on, uh, I pray before I come on why Because I want to hurry up and get to it. You have no idea you guys have no idea Of the comments that I get sometimes. Hey, you you took too long setting up your point get to it. All right, fine, whatever But I do want to kind of get into it because people have short attention spans and so I want to go ahead and get to it and so Um, I'm also assuming that other people on their channels when they come on that they have prayed But it's not then hey, um, it's not necessarily a prerequisite that I have to pray on The channel, um, but as long as one I pray but also that you pray as well. So Um, it it may be, you know, hey, if you guys would like to have me pray more on the channel No problem. As a matter of fact, um, I'll pray on the channel for you. I'll pray online or in the Not the chance but the in the comment section or emails with you So I have no problem with that but I I get your point Amen Amen. Amen. Yeah, definitely because I I just believe that you know, uh And what what I see like and again, this is not indefinite and this is not like a hundred percent But for the most part, you know, most of the time I see people hopping from From one live feed to the next live feed to the next live feed to the next live feed And all they want to do is they want to add fuel to the fire They want to be in the comment section talk junk about this person talk junk about that person See, you know, what you're gonna say about this This person and see what that person's gonna say about you And and this and that and I just I just think that that's you know, a problem But I think it's gonna happen. So it's not an indictment on the youtube comment community or anything like that I'm just saying that that that I believe that in your comment section and everybody else's comment section there are There are people that have one time or another really do need some prayer Now is that a separate ministry for you to maybe like do separately? I don't know. I'm just bringing up the fact that Well, I just don't see enough prayer Let me say this and I'm gonna go ahead and let you matter I'm going that you go down so I can bring this this next and I appreciate you and I'll go ahead and I'll give you my uh my rebutt or my retort as I bring this going but I appreciate you brother Um, if anyone is in need or wanting prayer, you all know how to hit me Um, I might not see it in the comment section on the chat section here So if you're looking for prayer, uh, you might want to ask someone else because we're out because I'm not the only christian here The chat's full of christians And so if you want prayer at that very moment let someone know what the moderators know or someone else Tag someone as you're doing it, but then also send me an email have no problem With that as well. Okay. Let me go ahead and bring on my brother again All right, my friend, uh, we got volume this time Can you hear me now? I can hear you now Okay, well give me a second. I'm trying to make sure that I turn my volume down. So no you're fine Don't turn don't turn your volume down over here because I because matter of fact, I could probably turn you My headphones weren't coming through. Um, okay. Where are you? Are you at church or something? Now I'm at my studio. Okay. Okay Yeah, I've got my own little studio. So, um, I think, um At least in my estimation of everything um My understanding is that when people like ruslan I'd come on to your your broadcast or your network and, um You know ruslan is one of those guys where um, I followed his um uh YouTube for a long time. Uh, I used to do christian rap concerts. So I've I've had some interaction with ruslan as well um, and also I've also had uh interaction with other christian rappers and so um What I what I see um is that when these guys come online, right? Um, the issue seems to be that um You know, sometimes they're unreachable in what they do, um, in their, um presentation of their content now, um ruslan has said openly that um He, you know, if you watch his channel and you have a problem with what he has said Then you can just look and see okay. I'm pushing the message of jesus christ all the time You know, I'm I'm dealing with issues And I'm actually trying to push the gospel message on a regular basis But if anybody who's actually watched ruslan's content on a regular basis and this is not to slight him um, but he does not He's not as consistent as he says he is And so when a person like yourself who has a ton of followers and it's it's it's algorithmically made up word beneficial for him He will come on and have a conversation with you And a lot of us smaller guys, um He would not engage us in the way that he says he engages us So when you um, I think that's the kind of the kind of catch 22 is that when you have him on, right? um We don't expect you to attack ruslan. So please don't hear me saying that But because I believe you represent like the faithful part of youtube that consistently exegetically and harmonetically Puts your content together Then you have an individual um Like ruslan who's consistently inconsistent and I and I if I had time I have time stamps I have like I I just had to unsubscribe to him. I couldn't even have his channel Uh on my feed because he was always saying something that was inconsistent with So let me ask you this. Let me ask you this Um, if you say that he is consistently inconsistent, I mean we're gonna have to go go fast I got two other people on um, but what do you think the solution is? What should we do about it? Well, you know, he said something that was that was key Um in his presentation He said well, if you if you think that I'm inconsistent reach out to me So to me that speaks to some side some type of accountability, right? But here's the problem with with what he's saying is that um, he's been on shows and broadcast Like you said, he was on a show with marcus. He wasn't consistently clear Even saying after 10 years of preaching 605,000 subscribers 1.4 million subscribers Worldwide, he doesn't know where marcus rogers stand. I call bull on that Um, because he used to be a leader in his church He said he was an elder or a leader or had some type of position in his church So if in your church, right, you don't have the discernment or the biblical acumen to discover when an individual is side talking and In not teaching the scriptures. Okay now, but again, what representing but again, what do we what do we do about it for? What what say again, so if that if what you're saying is true, then what do we do about it? Well, we Myself the people in my Category can't do anything about it because he wouldn't have that conversation with us And I think that's when he showed up on your platform That's kind of the conversation That we didn't expect an attack, but hey Alan par is like let's build bridges with false wolves and you know, he said I don't know if he saved or not right and there's probably from his following 50 other examples I'm not only unclear teaching Well, let me say this let me let me let me say this There are some people Who know how to get down and fight right and then there's some people who just don't fight I think it'd be wrong to say you don't get down like I get down and so you're wrong Now do I think that they should be I'm not saying they are I'm not saying they're not But if this person over here if we fight this person is coddling Bad behavior How do we get them to adjust? Do we want them to be like we are? Right and so it'd be wrong for us to think that everybody like Alan listen Alan par is the guy that Listen, he's he's a genuinely nice guy Right. He's a nice guy. He's not trying he ain't the guy that's going to go in the bar And start to fight You know, he ain't gonna if he sees a fight, he's probably gonna turn around and go the other way You know, there's some guys in the chat. I might maybe I at some time I used to be one Where if I see the fight hold my jacket. I'm getting in this right and so There there are people that do different things now What I am saying is this though and If a person Who has a larger platform is not as harsh as they should be And there are times we listen no question about it. There are times where you have to be harsh The false thing to do the wrong thing to do is to treat the person who's not as harsh They should be as though they are the heretic themselves. Are you are you with me? Because I can promise you the time is coming when each one of us are going to do the wrong thing And somebody's going to want to come and swing at us And so you've got there's a time to be harsh Who you who you're harsh to and then also more importantly what your motive is Wisdom has to play a part in our walk It just it just has to and sometimes we throw it out the door as though we don't care What happens to the person as we get through cutting them up or what happens to the audience? Okay, and so That that's the issue and so While I want to go hard at this person I'm not going to get mad at this other person for not going that hard with with them, right? I get upset sometimes because my wife Is is a more sensitive than I am Like why did come on honey this stuff, right? And she gets mad at me for not being as consens as sensitive or caring as I as as she is And so it'd be wrong for me to want her to be like I am and wrong for her You know, but now do we total on on what's truth? What's facts? Yeah, how we deal with it. It is going to vary Because I can promise you there are some people who are going to come to christ Not by the hammer, but by the hook It just is matter of fact matter of fact Of the 700 plus folks that are in the chat 800 however many was I wonder how many of you all came to christ based off of a hammer off a hook Well, and so that that's my only point So I can while I would hit him while I would go at at certain people a certain way And I wish that they would use the same tack Okay, fine. I think you I think you dropped the ball on this one. I said it publicly I think I think allen dropped the ball when it came to marx as he had him there You had a chance where there's over a million people that potentially might wash between the two channels Where you could have plus the folks who are going to talk about it where you could have And so while I think he dropped the ball where he missed an opportunity a golden valuable opportunity Is he an unbeliever? No, he's not And so I'm not gonna treat him that way So Again guys I do fight But also hopefully I've learned how window, you know window fight and when not to fight So anyway, but listen, I gotta let you go. I gotta get to this next brother. I appreciate you so much. You stay safe, brother All right, who am I talking to? Hi pastor, Cory. My name is Joseph Edmund Raymond. Hey, Joseph Hey, uh, I just wanted to say, uh, thanks for all your content and uh Just a couple quick questions. Um, let me just tell you a little bit about myself So, you know where I'm coming from gotta be quick though. Sorry, the screen's a little bit freezing or something like that Okay, okay. I'll be quick. Um, I run a I run a I run a channel called a song for eternal story ministries and it's just about like uh, talking about like uh videos about jesus and stuff But anyways, my question was um, if somebody is in like, uh, depression Uh, what would jesus christ say to them to help them through that? Uh circumstance Say it one more time. I want to make sure I heard you quickly like basically like if jesus was here on earth right now And somebody's in depression. What would he what kind of advice would he give them? Oh The same advice that out that he would give, um, if they're dealing with lust The same advice that he would give them if they're dealing with anger The same advice if if if they're dealing with suicide or um, murderous thoughts Whatever sinful or ungodly thoughts that they might have including depression It's the same thing the same thing that he would say for anyone who may have a we talked about this last night have a demon Draw closer to him And he will draw night to you the issue that we have on this planet is one issue guys one issue only we make it Complicated it's one issue Proximity all your issues all your sins all your failures are a result of this one thing Proximity how far are you away from it? The further you are away from this object the less you'll feel the intensity of that object The closer you get to this object in this case god The father jesus the closer you get to jesus the further you get away from your issues from sin Because who who better to remove any sexual issues any um physical issues than him And so that's it just that simple Yeah, I agree totally and uh, okay, so i'm gonna get going now and uh, thanks for answering my question. I appreciate it Okay, no problem. You have a good one brother Hey, bro, how you doing? What's your name? Um, i'm doing good brandon brandon. How you doing? I'm doing good. How about yourself? I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good. What what you got on your mind? um, I just want to come in here first off i want to um Say, uh, shout out to you and ruslan first again. I'll have a discussion On this platform and plus i want to thank you both y'all We got kind of pretty much learned a lot of lessons on this live stream. I was like, wow, that's actually pretty good um, I want to make it short um I remember I first came across ruslan on the channel and I was a fan of him. I was at first and then um As little later on I came to find your channel and then I pretty much started to learn about the whole marcus rogers thing and I was like, oh really and then I was trying to look and see what um ruslan started on that at first and at the time I wasn't um Heavy on the scriptures at it at the time and I was like, okay I hate ruslan all that stuff but then I looked at other believers other brothers on the platform they gave their thoughts And you know being billy cold about it and I was like, oh man and then at that point I was like really conflicted and I was like should I really unfold ruslan or should I Hold off before I make that judgment I mean before I made that decision and then um once I was watching ruslan's video he mentioned um somebody else's name and I remember seeing you made a video about this person About the one of the deliverance ministries people That we called out when I heard you say that name. I was like, oh man I'm I'm I'm going to have to unsubscribe from But can I let me let me interrupt you for a second Can I tell you guys why I don't unsubscribe people a lot? That there's something I do there are there are some that I that I unsubscribe to But the reason why I don't why I usually don't unsubscribe to a person First of all, it didn't cost me anything to have to have a subscription. It didn't cost me anything at all, right? So it's not like I'm being really put out. But two What's my hope of this person? What's my goal from this person? Let's say let's say joe bob Is a content creator and I think joe bob is doing a horrible job of representing christ and I want him to do better And he's not doing things the way I wanted to do it Now let's say because I'm a good christian I prayed for joe bob to get it right and there have been some other people who have talked to joe bob to get it right You know what? I'll never know if I unsubscribe to him if joe bob got it right So it's like what I've done is I've dust my feet. I've kicked the dust off my feet and went away I hope to never see you again, right? That is not the loving heart It just isn't okay because should should when you don't do when you don't do you how do you by the way You look like you're about 18. How do you? I'm 25 But If I decided I'm not going to listen to the person you know if the person speaking heresy that's different matter of fact though Some of these heretics I I even I even subscribe to them. I I want to see what this guy's talking about, right? I had uh Here's the other thing though. You don't even have to subscribe to a person If the way youtube works is if you go and check out Two or three of their videos youtube's going to keep sending you their videos like listen I had to push a little thing says right not interest, right? So when I did the deal on uh, alpha cow, you know what I get every day I get like four or five videos from alpha cow coming. I don't want to hear about this this this guy, right? Right, right. My prayer is my prayer is What for the believers first who are missing the boat? I want to see this person come around, but I don't want god to treat me the way I treat them Okay, and so and so guess what? Um I am subscribed even to the people who I don't not all the people. Let me just say that now again I do not subscribe to any any any. I want you to hear this any hebris or like nope can't do it Cannot do it. I think those guys are the worst I I would rather talk to a jahubas witness Than a hebris like I would I'd rather talk to a muslim that's saying a lot. Then he was like, yeah Wow, these guys are wacky. Anyway, let me get back on topic But that's right. That's just me That's just me now. That's my approach. Is anybody going to say that cori minor? Um, is doctrine unsound well if they are they don't know the scriptures because I'm gonna give them my scriptures I'm gonna give them mine and so I just walk I just walk it differently And I've been through too much to let that be that be my issue too much. It really is and so Uh, especially if you're creating content Somebody is going to have an issue with with what you said and at some point time They're going to be right. Sometimes people have issues with what you do and create Uh, and they're wrong. You are right and they were wrong, but at some point time you're going to be wrong And then what do you want? You're gonna want some grace. You know what? I messed up now some folks are going to want to bury you some for I did a video where I said that uh Oh, what was the video it was about um Suicide and I said suicide is not the unforgivable sin. Oh, you're going there. Yeah, you you add you you you you encouraging suicide Really? Listen, is that what you got from that? No, no, folks just want to come You know they you come into the church looking for what's wrong, right? I don't like the color of the carpet Uh, the music is too loud. The pastor doesn't have the right tie on. Where's his jacket? All right. Bye. You came looking for something so And then you can do about that But at some point time they're going to be right about you. What do you do? So, um, I would just say if you guys think that uh a ruse line or whoever else is wrong You pray for them try to reach out to them And if you can't just trust that there's somebody bigger and better and more powerful Over this world who's also dealing with him as well because if you're if you're right, he's wrong You know god knows it as well And if this person is a believer then god is working in that person's heart and it may not happen as quickly as you and i Might want it to happen. I would I would wish that every youtube creator Every every content creator would do the things the way I would want them to do it Right. Gotcha. We all do things the way we want to do it And so that means if i'm if i'm wrong Then dawg onto the whole the whole body is wrong so Thank god that there's somebody out there who thinks differently and react differently. Um, let me give you all example Folks have folks about talking about uh, uh, uh, uh, man seiko Well, I didn't know how hard he went after g craig lewis and many folks would not have known about g craig lewis And what's happened to him and how he is had it not been for that Right and so, um, who knows what's going to happen with this with his whole markers rides or stuff Um, you won the snake but then ultimately guess what guys it's never up to us to bring down The the heretic the false prophet is it's never us all we can do is expose him and then god does that and so sometimes we ought to Say our peace and and keep it moving. Sometimes we keep hitting Okay, and so here's a guy here's some people who's gonna be the ones going to keep hitting and keep hitting and keep hitting Whereas i've got another fight to fight another fight to fight, right? So anyway What else what else what else you got from young brother? uh First of all, thank you for the That's very humbling from what you uh said on that point. And then I think about that whole, um, you know Doing or I guess I would say doing the wrong thing doing the unsubscribe me out there find out about one thing Hey, I think part of it is rooted to Um, this thing of I don't it's what I want to say I don't like to be deceived. I don't like to be lied to or something like that um, and I'm pretty sure that most of that thing kind of started when At the time before I was I was like a little bit heavy on the crevice dollar thing Wow, and then for some reason I found a video about him. Uh, there was like an old clip of him Talking about we are little gods and I was like wait But at the time I wasn't you know in the scriptures like that, but now I looked at the scripture I was like, so what's easy talking about and then uh, I And you know, I just I don't subscribe from this ministry I didn't want nothing to do with it and at the time I was shared a video one time and I was like this Man, I don't want to watch this on sermon but I was like, you know what for expected this person's enemy I will watch it and later on get my thoughts about it and After watching it I was like It got to the point I said I I'm kind of I'm kind of convinced now that Boy, the people are saying all right, but which is why there's a need for people to to hit and to go after some of these people, right? Yeah, so Everything else. I think that I think that's all I gotta say right now. Okay. Let me ask you a question. Where where do you reside? What do you live? I'm in I live in finnish city, alabama in where? In finnish city, alabama. Okay Question you cowboys saying? No, okay. I'm about I'm about to cook my mommy Listen, I ain't gonna talk about your mom right now When I get off his lap, I'm talking about your mom. I'm kidding. Okay. All right, young brother. Listen, you uh, you take care down there, all right All right. Thank you and you too. All right So listen, I want to talk on it. I'm looking for some action Won't you guys that disagree with me to come on this thing? I want some guys to come on this thing and and hollywood matter of fact If you don't want if you're not upset with me, uh, and you agree with you you still welcome to come on We can have a conversation. I got Um, I got a few more minutes. So, um, uh, anybody The the the doors of the youtube church are open so Anybody um moderators if you want to come on Uh, bottom line dad, you can't come on you get you a uh, you a football heretic No, you're not. No, you actually what you are is you are Uh, the cowboy enabler Yeah, you a giant fan and y'all can't do nothing with the cowboy. So, um But anyway, anybody uh before I go ahead and let this thing go But I want you guys let me just back up. I want you guys to hear my heart In no way shape or my fashion. Do I think we should ever give a heretic a pass? Um, but at the same time, I just don't attack the person who is not as strong against the heretic as I am As long as the person themselves are not in um heresy Then okay Uh, will I do a video on jeep? No, I will not I absolutely will not do a video. I'll tell you what I do You know, I'll do I may just I may, um Um post some of seiko woos videos on g craig lewis Um, that's how I found out about him. Like who is this dude g craig poor g craig lewis? Who is this guy? But so I I um Uh, oh, uh, oh Yeah guys, I gotta He ain't he ain't a heretic He's a friend and a lord I just sent him a link and it's gonna be some trouble on this on this live It's gonna be some trouble in this live. And so Uh, we'll see what he what he's talking about if he's talking about the right thing He might come on talk about the wrong thing. He might come on talk about the wrong thing. So I said, hold up Let's uh put this back up I disagree with you about unsubscribing because by subscribing or continuing to I support them. Um, well And I'm fine with that also I am not um I don't Let's say if I feel the same. Let's say if I feel a certain way about a content creator who is not Um, a heretic, but he hasn't Um Unendorsed the heretic. He hasn't come out against the heretic like I want him to um I'm not against him Um At all. I wish he would come around Okay, um, Montana Viking the uh, send me an email so I can send you the link Uh, I'm not against that person and some of these guys, uh Pay their bills From youtube don't have a problem with that either. Matter of fact, you can't have a problem with that if you've got a problem with someone making Um earning something from youtube Um, you would not have youtube if the person didn't uh, uh get get something from youtube It's just it's just how it works, right? It is. So anyway, uh, let's yeah, here come trouble Uh, let's yeah, here come trouble Here come try it if he ain't talking about the cowboys then we're gonna be all right Jermaine, what's going on brother? How you doing man? I'm doing good. Well, you're frozen. There you go. Okay Yeah, yeah, there we go. Listen man, you already know where I'm coming from I got a problem with you bro okay You already know listen, we both in Dallas, right? So, you know, my biggest gripe with you is that you live here, but you don't root for the home team I'm on I'm on sovereign territory right here. Well, we don't we don't claim Dallas at all over here in this This little plot of land. No, we don't we don't claim Dallas The only thing y'all beat us in this year is draft pick position. That's it. We lost that too Because you didn't even make the playoffs Oh, and you know what? I shouldn't say anything too because Oklahoma beat Texas Tech last night That's right Boomers sooner horns down all day. No seriously y'all I'm jermaine one half of that christian fam channel. I love this brother's ministry, man You know, we've been chopping it up for for a minute Um, there's a the reason why I'll chose to jump on real quick before we go ahead and eat dinner um, it's because You know me Harrison family Values, you know, he changed his name from vlogs the values values, you know Yeah, we talked about that me here. We're texting back and forth like bro You need to change the channel name because vlogs doesn't really serve you but me and Dre From Harrison family values and von sander's ministries and all god everything. We were talking about how One of the disappointments with being a christian content creator is that We see so much discord in the in the chats And in the and in the comment section. And so one of the things I'm really seeing tonight is a lot of discord and a lot of ungodliness And that's been one of the very disappointing things, you know, we're being a christian content creator So I just really want to pop on and encourage, you know, those of us who are actually in the chat Let us not forget to be christian. All right Because oftentimes we get so polarized one direction or the other That we forget all the christian fundamentals and all the principles of jesus when we get in these chats And I love what you say earlier, cori. You said, you know, it seems like We're held accountable as content creators, but y'all not a help held accountable in the chat You know, so if we're going to be christian, let us be christian Wherever we go and not just pick and choose and not take shots of people who are in front of the camera when y'all just in the chat So that's all I had to say, bro. Yeah one of the things when we go when the thing goes live When once this goes back up your chats are safe You could you can delete a comment in the comment section if it's yours But you can't delete a comment in the chat section And but even more than that god is still going to see that god still knows that and so whatever you say Did you say it with a godly intent? Even if you are condemning a person for their stance was it was a condemnation a godly kind was it righteous indignation? Yes, okay, or was I just don't like the god don't get down with I think the guys Now if you're imputing someone's motives, you don't know that motives within you shouldn't do that either Okay, now for sure. Um and and again guys I ain't got no problem with with uh Was swinging and I don't have a problem with being you know biting and toughing Being tough. You know me man. You already know my motto, bro. Yeah, man. Listen. I I I saw a bunch of unnecessary fights in prison Just like because it's like what are we doing guys and I see the same thing sometimes when it comes with us Yeah, and so If I'm gonna fight, um, I'm gonna make dog on sure that I'm 100 right about the fight before I jump into it That's just that's just me. That's just me. So yeah Yeah, yeah for one is gonna be worth it and two I'm gonna win. That's what I'm gonna No for real no just growing up my parents my daddy Hold on. Hold on. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna put this super chat up here Oh, he's getting on the cowboys. He's getting on the cowboys. He a niner fan I Know what y'all didn't get to the Super Bowl neither, brother. They did get closer though. They did beat they did See that's that that's that dissension within the body. I'm talking about right there I'm saying y'all didn't get to the kid. Y'all didn't get to the Super Bowl neither. That's all like see that's what I'm talking about Just nasty for no reason Just oh wait a second. Oh, okay. Wait a second. I got a bunch of folks trying to I'm sorry guys I missed it. I missed the camera. Hold it here. Let me drop these links. So these guys can come on Uh, let's see now remember guys if you come on be on your best behavior, let me go ahead and send these links out Apparently I'm gonna be here for a while. Yeah, man Same way as man. I just wanted to mess with you about that man. Listen, you know, you always welcome. You always welcome Yeah, man, this you're doing a yokman's work in the ministry, man And as you know, it's always bruh keep pushing in the faith because Okay, let me send all right my friend. Let me go ahead and get you off so I can get these other guys All right your man. Take care, bro. All right. I just sent out Okay, I'm sending out five Um, wait a second. Where's it at? Okay, hold on I'm while I'm waiting for someone to come on. Let me send this. I think I'm sending this to one of my um One of my moderators. I think that's what I'm doing Uh, let's see I think I sent one guy the link twice. Oh, well, no problems. All right guys once you get once you get to hit the link and and uh Come on, how do we handle receiving a compliment? As if you didn't That's how I do it. Um, so it won't go to your head. Okay. Let's see who we got here All right, my brother. How can I how can I help you? Yeah, what's going on? Of course. Oh going on pretty good. How you doing? Yeah, I'm pretty good. You know, I send you a message before You was on live before about the This whole situation now. I mean, of course this situation that y'all you was talking about night Yeah That you mentioned a couple times with seiko and everything like that with roostline on there. Um now I feel like I understand that a lot of people uh Like to say hey, we're not supposed to be soft with other people We're supposed to use this and that and this and that and what we're talking to somebody or Uh, telling them how they're wrong or trying to correct them. Now the funny thing about that is I think All of us get that wrong at times with even me too. Um, I believe that a lot of us Get it mixed up where we forget that we're not god And the way god does did things in the bible Um, it's different Just because we see him doing certain things doesn't mean like how he Uh, uh handled people is what I mean. Um, he also tells us at second timothy, too And 24 like you can of course, and I got a video on my channel time to save souls that, um You know, I break it down a little bit more But it says, you know how we should gently on on on verse 25 It says how we should gently instruct those who oppose the truth That means when it's opposed that means people was against the truth gently It says so That they that that god would change their hearts and they will learn the truth. So I feel like Going after the way even with seiko even the way he talks to people Um, and and I mean if we got to get technical and say hey Well, guess what, you know marcus rogers is wrong by saying You know, you need to be baptized in water in order to be safe, which that's just an error In my opinion, I mean your your issue is is if i'm not telling you your issue is um seiko um Not just that but yeah, yeah, I mean I do believe the way he talked to people and called people names now I don't think that's in any I don't think a leader I don't think that you should be qualified as a leader period if you are doing these things as in bullying people and talking with a foul mouth and not only that but plan Clips in your livestreams that that has profanity, you know, I don't think a leader should be doing that I don't think you should be qualified as a leader if you do anything like that Because the same people that you talk about just the peters and all of them None of them do things like that. None of them talk so you can see what i'm saying is you can see people by their fruits And i'm pretty sure everybody's seen seiko by his fruits. Even you He's in your circle. So I don't I don't expect you to Call him out publicly. Of course, like you said you talked to him behind closed doors, whatever privately But I don't expect you to call him out publicly neither Montana viking or nothing like that Which I already know Montana viking is not really good in on scripture. Anyway, he admitted it You said Montana's not good on scripture What i'm saying is knowing scripture like Like uh, uh, maybe somebody that's you know studied for a long time. I'm saying, um, and he admitted it You know himself on his livestream when I talked to him before so, um, but he tries Go ahead Oh, no, I was gonna say it's he tries to as well as other people try to say Hey, we're supposed to be hard on people and you can be you know There's times that you can show love and not you're still showing love And guess what god did this and guess what apostle paul did this but we're not none of them We we can only follow the scripture when god tell us to do it gently to the people who oppose the truth So that means people that's against the truth, right? Am I right? That means people that's against the truth, right? That's what opposed the truth me. Okay, when you when you There again, and this is why I said, oh, let me just say this Um, and I'm gonna go ahead and and move you on because I gotta get these other guys There's literally four guys in in this queue right now. So I gotta go ahead move to them or whatever But I'm gonna go ahead and and and address what you just said. Um, but here's the thing I think that, um Anybody be it myself or seiko or alan par ruslan or I see It anyone when we say things If we're going to say it in a harsh fashion The motive has to be love behind it that goes for seiko that goes for me whomever, right? Um, and so now I'm not going to share everything that I've said to him But I've told you guys is that I'm going to move back and watch and I've said That we got to be careful about um, how we Treat not just the heretic But the person who we think is coddling the heretic because first of all they all matter But the person who who is a profess believer the christian He matters also and so we need to be sure that we don't treat the the unbeliever like like he I mean the believer Like he's an unbeliever. Okay, so if that kind of makes sense now I need to go ahead and what happened to your screen. Um, uh, koti, I mean Listen guys, no done done done What's going on brother Can you hear me? All right. No, I need to say I can hear you. Okay. What's that man? Can you hear me? I can hear you I can hear you now. I got I got dug in the queue. Let me bring ryan on uh to uh in the green room as well But go ahead, uh, koti Um, I just wanted to quickly ask you like what was your overall goal? With today's video with with ruslan and do you think that you reached that goal? That's all I was gonna ask. I hope that our that's a good question. I hope that I reached that goal with some not all whenever if okay, let's just say let's say You were telling me something I was wrong didn't see it and you corrected me Okay, um, what's likely to happen is immediately. I'm not going to to get it Okay, um, but as I hear it and I might be the person that's planning and someone may water Um, hopefully if if you're right and I'm I'm in the wrong Then eventually it's gonna come to me if I if I've got the spirit of the lord in me and what you gave me was Was was from the what now I gave the word right? I didn't I didn't read the Quran I didn't read one of the vaders. I didn't read my own publication. I read the scriptures And so these apply to us and so while there's one part that we do have to hit people I need to be hit there's another part we need to Um, be loving as well and we need to be careful of our motives And so my whole point is to say guys watch out how we talk to each other Watch out how we treat each other because you because this person is wrong right now Don't mean that you won't be wrong later and how you treat him You're not gonna like being treated that way when not if when you're just as wrong It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. No, no if and what's about it And so if I want some some gentleness Incorrecting me and I do I don't want you to correct me. Say man. You dirty so and so and so and so Um, you should no, I'm not I'm not because I'm not gonna hear that I'm not if I if I say uh, cody man, listen first of all that orange shirt You've got to go with that man. What's wrong, you know, what's the person you're gonna do? You put up your defenses It's just natural. It's just normal right and so What I want here's what has to happen whenever whenever we speak to somebody Whoever we speak to they ought to see the maturity in us And the godliness and the love in us. What did paul say if I got all these different things and I don't have love I'm no good. I'm whore. I'm worthless. Right. I'm a lousy loud clanging gong And so there has to be some sort of love that comes with this even in my review Mama used to say daddy's not daddy He didn't need it say this mama would say I'm not gonna like what I'm about to do. It's gonna hurt me more. It's gonna hurt you Daddy like no, I'm about to wear your butt out. However you take it however you take it But I'm about to get off my chest But mama would say it's gonna hurt me more than hurt you because there was some love It was love of my daddy too But there's some love in my rebuke and people ought to see that now there comes a point in time Where you say, you know what? Um, the love for you is gone where now I've got to give you I've got to be used by god as the battering ram That happens But I can't turn that battering ram against my brothers who don't act in accord the way I want to do or the way they should Because I'm not I'm never I never want to be guilty of treating the brother like he's an unbeliever I can be stern with him. I can do that Okay, and so the goal that I wanted to have accomplished is that we could just look at ourselves And think am I what I treat what I treat my family members the same way that I want to treat roose line Or I'll impart anyone else And the answer is nine nine percent of time is gonna be no and even the folks who who say yes Once they think about it, it'll be it'll be no again because I don't want to treat my wife that way who doesn't see things out of eye with me who don't handle things where I Because most men if you're married, the wife doesn't handle the kids the way you do It's just how it is and so because we have a different tactic different method I'm not going against the person who's who's a part of my family. That's that and that's my whole goal That's my whole goal That doesn't mean that we are because guess what we calling out the snakes we call out the heretics And we're gonna defend doctrine. We're gonna be straight on that. No if ands buts about it But sometimes we ain't got to get messy like other folks do we should we should we listen We should whoop tail differently than the world does right? We should do it in a godly fashion I'm gonna beat you up, but not because I want to be I want to beat you into correction so I gotta get my brother real quick. He he said is roose line coming on. No, he ain't coming on Gary no, he ain't coming on Somebody in the comments in the chat tell Gary why roose line is not coming on Anyway, let me go ahead. Did I see uh, I got dug. Let me go ahead. Uh, put you put you back out there Did you have anything else Cody? No, I just want to make sure you know and I know we had a artist agreement too. So I Talk about the bible Oh, yeah Oh, I've got something for you. I haven't I haven't got listen if if I go back to this screen over here What does it say? I've got three hundred and one Messages voicemail. I mean that voice but messages that I gotta get through and these are questions So I'm not it takes me a while and I'll get to them. I promise you but but I and I and yours is at the front You know, so when you when you certain folks ask a question to have an issue You at the top of you go to the front line. So I'm getting back to you I'm waiting on that video. I'm just curious. Okay, we're gonna be all right over though Hey, man, hey, man, let me go and get the dug Wait a second. Is that my is that Montana? Uh, oh I I'll go on it. Um Doug, I'm sorry. Listen. I think I might have knocked you off I'm come back on so I can bring you back in Uh, oh, I got my man here First of all that jersey has got to go. Hey, can you hear me fine or I can hear you perfectly fine? I can hear you and see you well. Let me put Doug over here um So, but yeah, I can I can see you just just fine You're just fine perfect So, you know, I I I can say Um, I don't okay my computer is good fine. Um Hey, you you talked to me for about an hour And no threats no insults, you know, what's going on here? Well, um I didn't have a reason to Guys and and and we kind of covered a little bit. I I told Ruth's line And I alluded to this that the reason why people if people see you as let's say You're not hard hitting or you might be compromised or anything like that or what have you um Then hold on. There's some some porn site jumping in the chats again Um, then the reason is is for you is is is you're to blame right Now hold on one second guys if y'all see this this v-band Whatever it is y'all block that person. I can't for some reason. I let me do it. Uh, but anyway but, um What was the question? I'm sorry Oh, yeah, that's no insults for for an hour Um, I was expecting some drama. I think a lot of people were expecting drama Um, and yet a lot of times it's a lot more beneficial I think when there isn't that drama thing and there are rebukes because I mean we we have to look in the mirror first Before we we set out to correct others Um, and so I I heard a lot of that in there today for sure. Yeah I I had talked to um to ruslan um in the past As a matter of fact was funny the first person that knew that I was talking to ruslan uh was seiko and I won't go into uh with those two but um, but uh When I talked to ruslan I I said hey x y and z I think this and I think that And he heard what I was saying and so forth. And so that that was that and so if I if I've made my concerns to ruslan off air Wouldn't it be kind of Underhanded to bring him on air to talk about the same things we talked about To make a spectacle that that wouldn't that wouldn't be that wouldn't be that wouldn't be cool, right? If I had a conference with you and said hey, listen, um, I think you're wrong This this this and this and you say you know what I see that you're right Then I bring you on air and then I I trash you for the same things that we already covered, right? So that wouldn't be good on my part now It's incumbent upon him And the lord if he if he needs to change or if he needs to make a parent Because I thought you know if it's not a parent that you are Against this This particular stance of this person or this person stands Um, that's you that's on you It's not it's it's not my fault that people see you this way It's not his fault or her fault that people see you this way It's you because you're the one that created this narrative about yourself. And so you need to fix that you need to be more definitive Maybe you need to be more Bold or more hard hitting or whatever whatever word it is that you want to use Um, you it's up to you to make sure that people know exactly where you stand You know that people know exactly where I stand people know where you stand And so the same as is is for him or anyone else and if we disagree we disagree You know It's okay for him to be to be a believer in a disagree One of us is going to be wrong or both of us is wrong And so if he's if he's a child of the of the king Then it's going to be god ultimately that's going to work in him And so the one thing that I think we get we get it twisted sometimes Is that we think it's up to us to straighten the person out No, it's up to us to warn a person To be used by god But ultimately it's going to be god through his spirit that's going to straighten person out, right? And so that's why I don't get too bent out of shit And if a person keeps coming back to listen Because if a person has turned you off, I'm not trying to hear what you gotta say Well, then why would I keep saying it then right? And so I don't have it like that with him other folks might So, um, that's my go ahead. I'm sorry Yeah, I would say I I like Bruce Lund. I listen to his channel, you know in the background I'll throw it up while I'm doing job documentation or whatever and Like he cares about people I get that from him. He cares about small content creators. I think And yet there's some big things that I disagree with him on and one of the different perspectives that I think you and I have are You know, I've I kind of categorize people into maybe three different groups There's there's heretics where we're gonna we're gonna call out and it's going to be harsh It's going to be staunch And we're treating them a certain way if you will other than there's Brothers in Christ who are their true teachers. They're They're they're doing great and you know, there's no strain relationship there But then I also have kind of this third category for people who I think are I think they're brothers And I'm gonna treat them as a brother and consider them a brother But I'm not gonna recommend their channel. I'm not gonna recommend their ministry They still profess to believe in all of the right things But I think they're bringing dangerous things into the church dangerous things Presenting dangerous things to other believers not making clear distinctions And so I'm gonna sound the alarm on them and I can't recommend their their ministry I want to I want them to turn from bringing these these dangerous things into Their channel or whatever, you know But until something's done there, I can't recommend it I I don't know if that's something you would agree with or if you have different thought there I think And then I'm gonna let you go because I want to get dug on dug. I end up knocking dug off inadvertently I'm sorry. I need to type this this in someone's asking what time the class starts But I think this if our issues are Doctrinal keep hitting them if you think there's a doctrinal issue keep hitting keep hitting keep hitting keep hitting You ain't got you ain't got to stop you do there is no need to stop on trying to correct doctrine What we don't have to do is hit hard all the time when it's non doctrinal. Are you with me? Because especially if I don't know the person's heart now sometimes like in the case of Marcus writers We know that guy's hard. We see That's clear, right, but let's say I I cannot I can think I know what Ruslan's motives are. I can think I know what Montana Vikings motives are I can think I know what uh seiko motives are or is doc I mean motives are I can think that I'm not sure now in Marcus case. We've got evidence. We Dude, you got issues. You got it. You got issues that if you weren't a christian You still have some issues with with with the general public, right? But the fact that you're a christian you either have more issues and so I I don't think if your issues with Ruslan or joe bob or me or whoever else if they're doctrinal, you should ever stop You should you don't have to stop you are required by biblical law to execute what you think is God's mandate So no one can ever fault you and I wouldn't ever fault anyone for that ever So if you think a person's wrong doctrinally, call them out until they change And you know to say to Ruslan, you know, he's he's accepted correction at times. I've seen him go and accept correction I don't know why Why what his motives are there and everything? but yeah He's accepted correction several times And so I try not to be harsh on him all the time because when he does good things And there are good things that he does on his channel I try to point those out and yet, you know, just the way I'm built I see I can see the troubling things and and you know, that tends to be the things a lot of times that Let me ask you this question. What if what if you what if you found out that I don't know I don't know if this to be the case I don't know this to be the case. What if you found out that? Uh, the two people that I get that are getting the bad names right now Ruslan now in part What if you found out that a lot of people are are starting Or initiating a deeper relationship with christ or or to start studying causing the prey more because of their channel What would you would you want to see their channel continue? Oh, you bring up a very good valid point because there are a ton of rock solid videos. Yeah, and Ruslan, you know Has, you know is bringing people to to study god's word and stuff there um You have some point there and so I mean we could praise that, you know for sure. I think yeah, yeah So anyway, um, my brother, I love you By the way, if you haven't subscribed or checked out my antenna vikings channel go and do so I've neglected to also mention About that christian fam channel germain go and check him out as well So bro, i'm going to let you go so I can so I can bring on my buddy. Doug. Okay Doug, what's going on my friend? Can you hear me? Good. Hey, Cory. How are you doing? Oh, I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good. I'm a little tired Yeah, I can't see Yeah, I guess there's always a lag it seems like when it starts out, but fair enough. It's all good What's happening? Well, uh, yeah, I was kind of like gonna piggyback off of what, uh Brother cody said earlier Uh in regards to what with the what the point of tonight's show was Uh because it didn't seem like we were Calling anyone out and it seemed like we were all embracing each other and a brotherly type of thing and fair enough but Ephesians 511 kept popping into my head. I'm like well, you're supposed to call out these people and I didn't understand The whole point it just seemed like a big old group hug to me and if Well, we're all gonna be in the same circle Well, then what's the point of doctrine? No, listen now, you know, doctrine matters to me doctrine matters But um before I get to doctrine, um I start off with some sort of love and as I said before If there's any good that he's doing I'm not gonna knock that but I'll talk to him about hey Listen, maybe you ought of this or maybe you ought of that. Maybe you ought to look at things this this way Um, he and I started off. It was something on um something social justice stuff It actually was over Eric Mason Who I'd vehemently disagree with And I wasn't looking for Jerry spring or anything like that No, no, no, but my point is though that that our relationship started off with me being blocked and you know, not on the best of terms But my point in pointing that out is that that Even in spite of that that's not an issue or I think that that the person that you are promoting I think that that I think Eric Mason for the most part is doctrinally. He's solid Social social justice issue wise. I think he's horrible, right? And I think that promoting that does a disservice Um to the christian community, but also the black community as well And so I can have an issue with him for promoting this guy But because he's a brother I still am required to treat him like a brother and I still have to you know I've got a love on him and I can't I can't what I cannot do is treat him The way I treat a marcus rogers. I just I just cannot and I cannot because if especially especially if somebody is Through him. There might be a new christian Who discovers ruslan's channel And sees him and hears something like, you know what or someone through let's say because he talks about a lot of pop culture Stuff like he was talking about This rapper today and somebody who might be interested comes out and say, you know Yeah, what's going on there and then then he gives them some scriptures And then the guy might start, you know, let me read my bible, right? He might think that it's kind of cool He's appealing because this is what he told me. I'm trying and he mentioned this earlier that he's trying to appeal to a different audience Whether that's right or wrong Some of those folks like the young men's earlier said that he used to listen to him and then started, you know Growing in his in his studies and so forth and kind of has gravitated away from him But but but ruslan was used by the lord for that moment for that for that guy And so if we find out that somebody like ruslan is being used by god in that fashion then Okay That that brings us into our The main reason see I never even heard ruslan, but the main reason I wanted to do this I wanted to came up with you a few times in regards to The perfect word In a kjb type of thing But and I know like I said, I never heard of ruslan And I have heard of you approve someone twice and then you walk away And I have heard of like Ephesians 4 when it tells you to be angry It tells you to be angry at who and say not but Don't let the sun go down upon your wrath So there is wrath obviously. I mean there is all kind of I mean you can't be docile and Tiptoe around people's False doctrines, whether it's n.a.r. Or whether it's Jehovah's Witness or Mormons and stuff like that We'll see the thing you have to hold them accountable and you do that out of love You do you approve them and you correct them out of love Well, but I think you don't do it out of air against you're absolutely right You are absolutely right. I think the issue that we have to always remember though is Okay, and if the person that I'm getting on is this person a believer or not Let's say the person's not a believer and they're a heretic like in marcus roger's case. This person's a heretic Then how do you approve that? How do you approve that? We by doctrine. I mean you're talking to the guy and he's obviously Maybe part of the leo desi and church and stuff, but how do you approve that? He's I mean, you can't say and I can't say that anyone's saved or anything But you can go back and forth with doctrine And you can say jesus is come And that's one of the proofs If they can't say jesus has come if they don't if they don't hold a certain teachings Then we know that this person's not a believer we can I think is reasonably safe to assume by people who understand sound Dr. That marcus roger's is not a believer Even though he calls himself one even though he's starting a church I think is I think to me it's reasonably safe to assume that he's not And so we treat him a certain way. No, I don't care about him anymore. No fair enough I mean I'll pray for him and stuff like that But yeah, god bless but now with someone like but tonight like a roost line if you think that he's not being tough on him Well, the issue is where in scripture do we say that we have to treat the person who's not Um as staunch on doctrine as we are where in scripture to say that we have to treat that person Like the unbeliever also it it doesn't It never it never does what doesn't Sorry, I wasn't talking about being staunch on doctrine I remember asking a few times and I know the the messages or The comments were going probably a hundred miles a minute and stuff like that, but I What I wanted to ask was uh, what's his definition of being a christian? and Who uh, who are you talking about marcus? Are you talking about um, no roslyn ruslan tonight? Oh Oh, well, I can't I can't answer that so um, right well I mean long time listener first time caller, but And I didn't know what the whole controversy was. I just wanted to It's just that sometimes it gets as we say it gets messy out here in these youtube streets And so I just wanted to just for it to be a little reminder guys that that you can be right Um, and you can be wrong in being right in the way you're right You know, I mean, um, I can say there's only one truth brother. You know that that's true But but how I deliver the truth Um, if I let's say let's let's say dug is why one of the king james debate. This is yeah Come on work with me on this one. We're gonna. We're gonna. We're gonna. We're gonna have a debate We're gonna have that you don't have to bring in any experts because you're the expert because it's your channel Well, no no listen. Listen. There are some people who this is Judas light if you want I don't have any problems with them Judas light. I mean james white. There is one person who I'm trying to get Who is I don't care who you are on this planet. I don't care who you are and he's in this city Okay, this guy you you're not gonna refute it. Well, you better love me because I'm your brother Say it again I said, well, you better care because you I said you better care because you better love me because I'm your brother No, I what I'm saying is this this guy is is His understanding of one Greek and the the texts that we have right You just not going to find people on this planet. You might find a three or four people on the planet who are his equal When it comes to the text But no none of them And that's all right I'll go into that head first. I don't I don't want to say it. No, it's not it's not tony evans The I don't want to say his name um Because I mean why Because I mean I I mean I get it. I'm trying to get him And so he can lay it out better than I can He's had he's come on people's channels before not a lot guys very busy and so was he just Dear world question christian the other day. No, no, no, no Um, I don't think he's I haven't seen him on a youtube channel And probably over a year so he's due he's due. Oh, no, that's all good. No It's not. Um, he says somebody says is is is it bill mounts? No, although bill mounts is great But this guy is above bill mounts This guy is above bill mounts. This guy, you know what the definition of a scholar is right? A scholar is just someone who's Engaged in education. It doesn't mean that they're like Uh, socrates from 16 to one or something. Let me tell you how how awesome this guy is um This guy he's the he's the guy that the scholars go to to get To get I gotta I gotta answer for you a second. He's the guy that people go to to get These manuscripts the text to look at him. He's the guy that he can look at at a manuscript That's a thousand years old and tell you what it says, right? He can pick Yeah, but does it come from the lxx or does it come from the catholic art or the no it listen He can he can explain you He can explain to you why the codex sinaticus is not catholic It just happened to have been, you know reserved there But why it's why it's not it's not it's it's where it came from originally. He can he can go over all this stuff You can explain it, but he can't prove it I get that see that's where the debate comes into effect No, listen, listen, I go from aniac and the sinatic comes from Egypt. You're not going you're not no one listen Again, see I can't I can't I can't make his case Um, again, this guy is no one no one argues with this guy. They just don't They might you know what? So I guess what you found someone No, listen, I can I can promise you this duck. I can promise you this duck If if he comes on and he speaks I promise I promise you you'll be you'll be silent like, okay You know what? Yeah, now you'll have you'll have questions and I'll answer old statement, mr Kari it is it is it is it is it is it is this guy is Also, maybe after this debate, we can turn you from being a Calvinist. I'm not a Calvinist. Yeah, everybody keeps No, I just go through the scriptures and so what I what I what I believe I hope it lines up with scriptures and and if Calvinist listen if Calvinist believe uh agree with me then amen to them, right? So, but anyway, here's the answer I guess well you're gonna disagree on that one Here's the question What's up? Ruth line say it a christian is a born-again follower of jesus regenerated by the spirit of god. That's his definition. So there we go Aborted in follower of jesus regeneration. What regenerate it a born-again follower of jesus regenerated by the spirit of god Yeah, no, I can't disagree with that because a born-again christian is someone who believes That jesus was crucified died and was buried According to the scriptures, which means according to the old testament prophecy And then on the third day rose again according to the scriptures Which means according to the old testament prophecy Regenerated and all that stuff that that's all that that's kind of like new world bs as far as I'm concerned So do you think that a christian has to be uh born-again? Of course, okay. Do you think that'd be regenerated by the holy spirit? I believe that regeneration happens when you believe Okay, well now he didn't he didn't put an order to it right and and ruse line is not a calvinist And so he didn't put an order. He just says the person's regenerated He didn't put an order to it and he didn't give us full of a definition. And so you gotta say That's a generic term regenerated. That's not in the bible Is not Well not as far as when it comes to being boring again, I don't think it's not in the new king james It might be in your sv bar And then we circle back around. Okay. So hold on. Let's let's let's let's see if Let's see if it's in the bible. All right. Let's go to scripture and Go to the king james. Okay. I'll tell you what I'll go to the king james Let me pull it up on a parallel go to the king james All right I mean make that bigger and so now we see the word regeneration there in in the sv and the king james Let's read the king james not by works of righteousness, which we have done But according to his mercy, he saved us by the washing of regeneration And renewing of the holy spirit. So so in this case, Doug regeneration is in the bible The actual word is there. Okay. No, I stay corrected. I stay corrected. So that's fine So now let's so now so we can agree whether we whether person's Calvinist reform whether they're not Um, that ruslan's definition of a christian fits, right? Oh, I say whosoever is justified. Yes Okay, well again, I say they're saved. I don't I'm not saying they're living a christian lifestyle, but I But I do say whosoever and I do say saved which is ante calvinist And I'm not saying I'm not talking about ruslan. Oh, like I said, I don't know anything about ruslan But didn't you what did you say you asked you asked what was his definition of a christian, right? I did ask him if if he could give us his definition of a christian. Okay, and I don't remember in uh Saying anything during the live for the last two hours. No, we didn't we didn't cover that matter of fact We didn't the the comments for moving so fast on one day I'd like to you know, I'm gonna get another camera from this angle so you guys can see The comments and how they move here and it is it's hard to catch up with this stuff. So anyway, uh, Doug everyone says you look like you're writing a book You're the kind of person that when someone when younger talks to them, they're gonna feel like they're in trouble Like they're about they're about to get it So but my brother, I appreciate it. It's all good, mate. No, it's all it's all good, brother So, but anyway, yeah, yeah, I appreciate you Um, uh, love you to death. Uh, we'll talk to you again later. All right, my brother I'm looking forward, right? Okay, kjb. We're gonna do it. All right. Cheers. All right guys, um Gk I need to reach out to gk bill for for the debate who I don't know who gk bill is um No idea who gk bill is Um, anyway Okay, ruse lines that uh, yeah, he is uh, I think he said what you said your nephew or someone or someone nephew I think he said I had a birthday party today. So that's why he had to he had to leave early. So anyway, um guys, uh, no one else has Yeah, no one else has um sent the link. I mean sent wanting to come on So man, I enjoyed this. I really did been on here for did not mean to be gonna do this long but um I hope you all understood my point Um, even if we disagree still love you still brothers Whether you are calvinist armenian Um, doesn't matter whether you are dispensational. There's different types of dispensational By the way guys, I think some of you guys just think that there are just two type because youtube just Speaks about calvinist and non-calvinist. There are more than calvinist and armenian or calvinist and provisions and so forth and so There's a whole lot. There's a huge World out there. There really is there and what you're gonna find out guys that uh, a large majority of believers Can almost rock with a lot of what calvinists believe Though they're not calvinists and they will even have debates against calvinists against calvinism. So I don't want to get into that. Um But uh, somebody uh might know who I'm who I'm talking, you know, let me just let me just go and say it Yeah, yeah, the guy I'm talking about guys is daniel wallace. That's who I'm trying to get. Um, daniel wallace is He's just up there. He just is and so you're not gonna have a lot of folks that are going to be able to refute him intelligently You're just you you're just not so Uh, yeah, it's getting late. I got I got a bunch of stuff. I have to get to so anyway guys I thank you all so much. This has been this has really really been fun Um, and so I will see you all tomorrow Um, god bless you all. I also will see you all. Uh, let me say this as well As far as the class on saturday Um, if you want to be a part of the zoom link send me an email so I can put you on Um, yeah, he is Uh, textual criticism at his finest and he doesn't he didn't have a theological ax to grind He goes where the scriptures take him and you're gonna find out that he is I'm here we we we share a lot in agreement Um, and it's not because he iced you to text So anyway, let me let me get off daniel daniel wallace. Can you tell can you all tell him a fan? But anyway for the class is going to be a 10 30, but send me a link That way tomorrow, I will send you a message on what's expected and how we're gonna do this whole thing There won't be a lot. So if too many show up the first time, um, then I want because it's gonna be the very first time I don't want to have it to be a a big mess And so what we'll do is we'll have a limited number of people the first time and the second time Um We'll have more. So anyway, so if you want to be a part of the class 10 30 central center time my time Uh, send me an email and I will send you the link to get you uh, or I can get you on Okay, yes, uh 10 30 10 30 central Okay, so guys, uh, have a good evening. God bless. Stay safe