 This one here is, do you have to be crazy to be an artist? Once you just stop and think about that for a second. And then we're going to go into detail of times of like the kind of crazy that was presented. But overall, it came down to. No, you have to be crazy to be a superstar artist. A superstar artist? Yeah, that was the convo. It was like, well, I mean, I still do think you have to be kind of crazy to be an artist. Yeah, like at least a little bit crazy to be an artist. Because you got to be crazy, even want to attack everything that's about to come from the moment you hit upload, you know what I'm saying? And what might come from that event? If shit, I always tell artists, bro, like, there are a lot of artists, I think, get into the game, romanticizing what it's like to be a popular artist because you don't know anything yet. And then you get into, you're like, oh, this should a lot of work. This should be stressful. Oh, it's a thousand people trying to talk to me at all times, you know what I'm saying? They just want to know everything I'm doing. It's like, damn, this shit sucks. And it's like, yeah, bro, you know what I'm saying? And you ended to see. So, you know, that's how I think, like you got to be kind of crazy to be one of your artists. But the point I was making about being a celebrity, wanting to be a celebrity, like a superstar, you have to really be insane to be, want to be a celebrity or a superstar. That's true. That's true. One of the quotes was, came down to this. You have to be crazy to think that everybody fucks with you. Yeah, exactly. Because of you. Yeah. That's what it came down to, all right? And then narcissism was a word that got used. What do you think about that? No, I agree, bro. Like think about the type of person, like that was saying that just walks around and someone's like, you like it, you like it, you don't like it. And if everybody over there just heard it, they will also like it, you know? They don't get me if they don't like me. Yeah, exactly. It's like, I don't think there are too many art forms that I like that outside of music. Like I don't think I've ever heard any of my like art friends, like painting visual art friends ever like expect everyone in the gallery to like their piece necessarily, right? I've never expected my dance friends to expect everybody to want to show up to the dance recitals. Music artists, bro, are my music artist friends? No, they're expecting everybody to play that shit for the fuck with it. Like, it's your heart, right? It's your heart, right? I could get with that. I could get with that. Especially when you talk about the celebrity level. And I think once you talk about celebrity level, it actually goes beyond music because you could be a celebrity politician, celebrity actor, right? There's all those levels. Once you hit that celebrity level, there's definitely a sense of thinking completely differently. And I'm not talking about in that cool, marketed, different type shit. No, we're not talking about Apple. We're just talking about, you know, your rocker is a different rocker, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, Brian really wild a little different. Yeah, yeah, you might not be off your rocker. Your rocker just might be a different color, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, we can always go to the extreme where there's Kanye. Like that's an example, right? But I don't think there's anything to gain from that conversation. I think the gain comes from the in-betweens. Like, who doesn't present themselves in this way that's so brash and obviously shaking the table in some kind of way. But still is a narcissist in some form or fashion. Like people love Rihanna, you know what I'm saying? And everything about her image is like down to earth, but I'm still that bitch at the same time, right? Is she crazy? Well, see, I was gonna say, that's what makes it them crazier is when they're right. Cause there are certain groups of artists that are right, Brian. Like everyone that comes across it or whatever reason loves it. Like a Rihanna, Rihanna's a great song. I won't say everyone I know is a mega Rihanna fan, but I've never met anyone that like hated Rihanna's music, you know what I'm saying? Or thought it was bad or whatever. You might not have your, you might not like all her music, but all of us got a favorite Rihanna song, you know what I'm saying? Like all of us can think of one Rihanna song we fuck with heavy. And if you say you don't, you're lying. No, no, no, no, I would never. I'm not even- Well, not even you specifically. I'm just gonna have to comment, you know what I'm saying? You know there's always gonna be somebody in the comments that says something like that. But hey, reveal yourself if you are one of these folks who don't have one Rihanna song. And I think there's a qualifier because you don't have to just like people's music and don't like Rihanna. Yeah, okay, yeah fair. Because that's another thing just brand-wise. I personally haven't met anybody that like hates Rihanna. Then, you know, like they find her to be likable. They might not be super stand following her, but like, oh yeah, she's cool. Especially in contrast to other celebrities, right? She's one of those brands. So that's what I feel like that conversation is more interesting. Somebody that you can't point to all these stereotypical things and be like, oh, they're crazy. I'm like, all right, to be Rihanna, do you have to be crazy? Jay-Z, you hear people say all these things like he's a narcissist. So like you can go off the strength of like what other people say about him. If you know, if you wanna just do that. But the way he carries himself, well, I know a lot of people say his business moves are, you know, they try to say narcissistic or for itself. But generally his affect in how he presents himself in a room, I wouldn't find him. I wouldn't say that, oh, you're just this narcissist. Maybe because of my personality. Cause that's one of them personalities where some people feel like, oh, you're being condescending. But the way I think of myself, it's hard to find someone talking to me condescending. Cause it was like, you can't be talking to me that way. You know what I mean? Like, so I don't, it's not like, I don't know. I think, yeah, Jay-Z, I don't hear enough about him. Again, this is obviously not knowing him, but a lot of people feel that way about him. But yeah, I really don't have, do you get that vibe though, just from hearing him talk like his regular personality? Yes. In what way? I would love to hear it. I think Jay-Z's had enough business success where in his head, he can't really do too much wrong. Like, I don't think he thinks he's completely immune to- Ah, okay. That's different. That's different. You know, I don't think he thinks he's immune to bad. He has one of those, like every couple of years, but it's like, it's like, bro, if I've swung 20 times and like 13 of them have been out the park, bro, like it's only so much you can say to me. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, it's only, it's only, it's only so much I'm gonna listen to people telling me this ain't gonna happen. You know what I'm saying? It kind of goes back to that conversation we had about the influences that make in music, right? Well, I was saying that if you have this person that is sold chicken nuggets and hats and socks and shit to people like, what's gonna make them think they can't sell music, right? So I look at Jay-Z the same way. But I was so alcohol, I was so clothing, I was so music, I was so businesses, so art, so land. What is there out there to make me believe that I can't do whatever the fuck I wanna do? But where's the line between narcissism and confidence in that? I don't think there is a line between that. I think narcissists have a lot of confidence. I don't, I- But do confident people have narcissism? Probably. I think it's safe to say yes. This is where we have to look up the definition of narcissism. Cause I actually remember seeing Gary Vee one time say that he always thought that he was a narcissist. He would say that, like own it based off of the general understanding. But then he looked at the definition and stuff one day and was like, wait, no, I don't identify with that. Let me take a quick second to say if you're an artist trying to blow your music up or if you're a manager, a music professional in general, trying to help an artist blow their music up, I have something that's a game changer for you and it's completely free. As you may know, we've helped multiple artists go from zero to hundreds of thousands of streams. 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Have an unreasonably high sense of self-importance and require excessive admiration, okay? Feel that they deserve privileges and special treatment. Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements. Oh boy, that's Google page, man. Okay, okay. Now you got to read the last one. The last one's important too. Make achievements and talents seem bigger than they are. Give me an example. That's all of them, bro. That's every artist, bro. That now, take it back. It's not even a successful artist anymore, Narcissist. It's all artists at this point. Oh man, who knew we were going down this rabbit hole today? Let's go, yeah, we gotta keep going, I would do you. We obviously be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate. Oh, that's interesting, the perfect mate command. Believe they are superior to others and can only spend time with or be understood by equally special people. That's what I'm saying, bro. That's what I'm saying, bro. All of them, bro. I love, I love it. That's hilarious. Every single one of them. Okay, okay. So you can give your time to the peasants, Jacory. King Jacory. Yeah, 100%, you know what I'm saying? I'm always down for the people. Come on, King, man. You know what I'm saying? You know what's your time on these people, King? No, bro, sometimes you gotta walk through the lands, you know what I'm saying? See what's going on, bro. Surveyor landscape, see what's up. That's where I have a problem with that, right, right? Cause you could spend that time, right? And you could be looking at it like that. Oh yeah, I'm granted these people with my presence today. All right, now if we wanna go to Jay-Z then, he said my presence is a present. So I guess that does fall under that category of how a narcissist might think. Exactly, bro. You lucky to even be around me. I don't think he said him and Obama. Jay-Z has had maybe one or two Kanye-esque analogies that he didn't get Kanye pushed back for, like comparing himself to somebody or the way he talked about them. I will say that. And that's somebody who really, really loves Jay-Z's music. That's cause his comparisons usually make sense, if you will. You can draw the line between A and B pretty quickly. And that, if it makes sense. What's the problem, right? What's the problem? But, you know, all right. So let's see what else we got. Behave in an arrogant way, brag a lot. I mean, that's rappers, well, a lot of rappers, right? And come across as conceited. Hell of rappers, all right. Be envious of others and believe others envy them. That's rap. That's rap foundation 101. That is facts, man. Everybody opps. All right, invest in having the best of everything, for instance, the best car or office. It's funny how detailed this is getting, but it is describing, at the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder, disorder have trouble handling anything they view as criticism. They can become impatient or angry when they don't receive special recognition or treatment. Yeah, we're getting in there. Have major problems interacting with others and easily feel slighted. And that's kind of, you know, he do be like this, whenever someone doesn't agree, he be going straight to like, How dare you question my views? React with rage or contempt. See, this is what I'm talking about. And try to belittle other people who make themselves appear as superior. You can't be superior to me. Have difficulty managing their emotions and behavior. Experience. See, all right, what about that? Somebody like Jay-Z, all right, let's go back to that category. The way he's had to move and get to where he is, he's had to do a lot of emotional management. I mean, he ain't gotta be shunned a hundred. Yeah, he ain't gotta be shunned a hundred. He might be a B-level narcissist, not even Aira, a narcissist would take a fix to that. I'm not the best narcissist, what you mean? Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change. That's interesting. I don't even know how to unpack that one. Let me see. Withdraw from or avoid situations in which they might fail. I call that smart to a certain extent. You know what I mean? I don't know. They say this about especially like competitive people or just especially as you get older, and they invest less in things that they can lose. Cause it's just like, why do it? Yeah, why take the risk? Yeah, to me, that's pretty logical. I mean, nobody's sitting on the arses with stupid. Yeah, right, right, right, right. But I guess maybe the reason, right, they're not going to invest in something they might fail because of the look of it. Yeah, exactly. That's probably what it is. A bit of chip in the armor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, no chips in the armor. Which I got with that being said, Andrew Schultz had a very clean way of describing Kanye and what he's going through today. Now, whether you disagree or not, folks who are listening, that's besides the point. But I love the analogy. He talked about how Kanye has, you know, blown up with his sampling, right? As a producer, taking all these sounds from different places and sampling them and then making magic, right? And he said, well, Kanye is finding that he's not as good as sampling people's thoughts as he is as sampling people's music and sounds and putting them together and presenting them. Wow. I thought that was a good metaphor analogy, bro. Hey, whether you agree or not, whatever, but no, that shit was beautiful. He's sampling these people's thoughts and is not being communicated and hitting the same as his music. He's not making hits. Yeah. That's very fair. And, hey, look, people who argue that, though, I say this all the time, that Kanye said several times, he don't read. So he has to be getting thoughts from somewhere, must be people. So that is in line with that analogy, whether you like the outcome of his sampling or not, or his new production, he is getting his thoughts from other people. But anyway, besides the point, let's read these last two. Withdraw, no, feel depressed or enmoody because they fail short, oh, mom. Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection. Yep, check. Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, humiliation, and fear of being exposed as a failure. Check, all of them. This ain't even to be, this ain't even anymore about the superstar thing. This is just R.S.O.T. at this point. Oh, man. So now it's like you already, you know what I'm saying? Kind of a little off just for one to be an artist. And then now you want to be a superstar artist, but you want four-year-olds to walk by and recognize you, and you want grandparents in the supermarket and be like, oh, you that guy from the right. You're like, that's what you want, but if you want your day-to-day life. Most people seek peace and to not stand out. But artists already inherently stick to stand out. Superstar artists stick to stand out from everybody. You know what I'm saying? All the artists are like everything. And that's a little insanity. You know what I'm saying? I can see that. You touched on something. Most people seek peace. And there's an idea that the reason most people seek peace and most people don't seek to stand out is because standing out brings the opposite of peace. It causes trouble. You go back to nature, you stand out. You're a lick, all right? Now you are prey. There's a risk that comes with that. However, the reward is if you're able to stand out and survive that, damn, by a guy like you, the king of the jungle, you know what I'm saying? Like, guy Lee. So that's what those people are seeking, but it takes a lot that comes with it. I think that was the, that might have been the zebra analogy, if I remember, it remember I talked to you about that? So yeah, for those of y'all who don't know the zebra comparison or analogy, they say, you know, zebras have these stripes, all right? And then you look at zebras and you look at the Sahara and you say, well, what the hell kind of camouflage is this? Cause that only makes them stand out. But it's not about the context of the zebra with the environment, it's in, it's more the context of the zebras versus zebras, right? Because zebras move in packs. I don't know they call them packs, but you know, packs, schools, whatever you want to call it. All right, they move together. And because of that, when lions are chasing them, they blend in, all right? All of the zebras blend in together. So they can't say, yo, bro, like I want that one cause they're all moving. And like, I'm like, yo, Jacory, we gonna get that one. Jacory, like what one, bro? Which we talked about, I'm like, that one, like not bro, you talking about that one? And they moving, we can't keep up. However, when it gets injured, all of a sudden they stand out from the rest of the zebras, right? So now I can say the one that's hobbling, bro, right there. Jacory's like, I got you, dawg. Run it down, hit a lick, right? So them moving, their camouflage again is them. But once something stands out, even in nature, it means you're in dangerous position. And when you relate that back to the artist and you hear this narcissism thing, ah, man, it means the only reason that you would stand. So does that mean only a narcissist would want to stand out? Is that what that means? I don't think so. No, I think, I don't know, man. I think everyone has a little piece of them that wants to stand out. I think every person kind of is one way or another. We've all in our life felt overlooked, you know what I'm saying? It felt like maybe not enough people were paying attention to us or giving us our due respects for the things that we do. I feel like artists are not the only ones, cause I would throw artists and entrepreneurial people in kind of like the same boat, you know what I'm saying? People are looking to like build and build around, like build something and then build something around it. Artists, entrepreneurs, you know what I'm saying? Oh, and it's like people in that box are the goose of people who, like you said, are willing to fight through the primal instinct, not to do that shit and figure it out. Even though we know that at the other end of it, you are now a lick to all these people that you don't even see. Which is the craziest part about being a, not even just a celebrity, just anyone with an audience, bro. There are literally tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to millions of people out there who know everything about you. They know what you like to eat, your favorite snacks. What shirt you like to wear on your live stream the most, bro. I love potatoes, nigga. And it's like, bro, they know all this shit about you and you don't know anything about them. Well, how many times have people walked up to you and be like, oh, bro, like, the last week or two months ago, you was talking about this in this live stream and what did you mean about that? You like bringing that live stream from months ago, bro, like you just watched last night. I was just, you know what I'm saying? I love what you get there, bro. It's like, it takes a special type of person to want more of that. You know what I'm saying? All right, so in that case. Yes, I knew you was about to ask, bro. I knew you was about to say it. Narcissism being a good thing? I don't think it's the worst. I don't know. It sounds like narcissism equates to bravery. That's what that sounds like. No, but I get it, that is very interesting that there's that double-edged swore in that case. Of course, I think you could want to stand out for purposes too, right? If you look at Martin Luther King, he was put in that position. He wasn't necessarily like, yo, I'm about to be the dude to save the world. I got the best perspective, you know, like on some kind of stuff. It was more like, hey, we're training, you're breathing you in like, take this position because we see the talents in you. So, you know, maybe the purpose also can fuel that, but if we go back to insecurity, because I was going to say what you said, you said people have had this feeling of being overlooked. Everybody's experienced that in some way, for the most part, right? But if I'm operating from that place, that goes under the definition of insecurity, right? And now I'm trying to be seen. I'm trying to make sure people understand what I want to say, because I've been misunderstood. I've been overlooked. So it doesn't sound like, well, I mean, I think that is obvious, right? It's like, oh yeah, real deep conclusion in Revelation, Sean. But I'm just like, I wanted to be willing to explore, like, could this be a good thing in some ways, right? What are the redeeming qualities of narcissism? Ultimately, of course, it's a bad thing. It's a sickness. But then, ultimately, at the end of it all, it sounds like there's a spectrum. And I'm almost with, if you don't have any bit, if this is the pure definition, maybe we just call it something else because, you know, narcissism has this rightfully so bad stigma. You need to have a little bit of it in you. Yeah, that's what I said, like, I don't think you gotta be bad in a hundred, you know what I'm saying? And I don't know, man, like, my mom was like a child, a psychologist, so like, there's a lot of these terms and things. I'm just used to reading like her books and shit. And like, that's how she would break it down. It's like, it's a spectrum. It's more about the intent of like the behavior. Like, the behavior itself doesn't make you good or bad. It's about like what you do with it, right? Like, some narcissists just want to open, you know, the best charity foundation for whatever cause they believe in. It's not inherently bad, right? Brested there as a narcissist that maybe wants to climb to the top of the corporate ranks and he willing to burn the whole fucking building down on the way up there. You know what I'm saying? That, now that person, you make some arguments for it. You know what I'm saying? Make some arguments about it. So it's a spectrum. That's why I don't think it's inherently good or bad. I don't think artists even feel like the artist might be insane for wanting to chase the thing as good or bad. I just need you to know where you stand, bro. You're not, you're not normal, but you're a artist, so you already knew that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that is true. At this point, you should know that you're not normal. You know what I'm saying? That is true. No, not to this shit. We fall in the same boat, bro, you know? Think about how crazy we gotta be to wake up. Like, I'm gonna give some advice and somebody gonna listen to it. Somebody gonna do it and it's gonna work out. That is fair, no. That is, somebody gonna work out. I can get with that. All right, I agree. You know, definitely we have a different apprehension though towards people pulling up to us on the street and everything that most people do. So there's that. But okay, touche, touche. So, hey, we understand y'all then, definitely. We get y'all. Y'all might be a little bit wilder, but we get y'all. We all in the same boat, riding towards the same shore, you know what I'm saying? I mean, me, I'm a competitive person, so does that, this competition, the reason for wanting to win have to be narcissism or could you just wanna be number one just because you like to be number one? I don't know that sounds narcissist, but. Yeah, man. They can't be number one. Many got on a pack here, like, why do you wanna be number one? Where did it start? That's that shit I'm not ready for next. No, man, bro, yeah. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.