 That's really cool. So we're right here at Tian Ma here at Mobile World Congress and who are you? I'm Tong Wu. I'm now in charge of the marketing department. And how soon can I buy a phone with this display? Actually the display now is ready. So you can say that iPhone X is your mass production. What do you mean iPhone X? iPhone X is a kind of phone. It's already adopted this kind of display. But you mean the phone? Why didn't you flex the phone? I want to flex the phone. Ah, the flexible the phone, I hadn't needed it. It made me kind of a technology. Because you can have the battery here, the CPU here. But some of the phones should be flexible. Is that possible or not? No. But the phone should not break. No, it should not break. Of course, this is poly-me. The battery is poly-me, so it's not a glass. So it cannot be destroyed when you drop the phone. And currently, here's the phone. We still have a lot of problems with this. Only the battery. The display is no problem. Yeah, the display is no problem. So only the other stuff? Yeah, other stuff. Like the PCB bar, like the... Yeah, but maybe you can be put in a corner, you know, or something. You know, on the side. Yeah, maybe like this kind of thing. Only in the here, it can be hard. The rest, flexible. Yeah, but that means that the whole cell phone, the bigger size, you will have a half of the portion used to the hard part. So this will be... So the solid part will be... Down here. A little bit thin. Or down here, or thin, or heavy. So you only need this kind of... Did you have some prototypes? You mean... Do you have prototypes of phones that use very flexible displays like this? Can I touch? Yeah, of course. First time I touched a super flexible... And it still... Is it very durable? Mm-hmm. Like how about scratch? Scratch is no good. No, no. But dropping, no problem. Yeah, no problem. And a scratcher, you mean that... It depends on... We have a... This is a poly-medicine. So they have a hard... It's not as hard as the glass. So scratch is... Even... Like the keys. If you have the keys in the pocket... Will it be okay? Okay, let's hope it's okay. How heavy is the screen? Only the screen. 20 grams, 30, 50, 100 grams? I guess it's nearly 30 to 30... 30 grams. Yeah. So you have a 30-gram display. Somebody needs to figure out where to put the PCB and the modem antenna. I think it should just be... Under the... Down here. You can add a bezel. Because you need a camera, right? So you can have a little camera here and a thing. Then you know... And the rest is just flexible. And then you can just let it sell it. And people will buy, right? What is the price of a flexible display compared to old traditional glass display? Maybe two times at least. Double the price? Yeah, double. At least. But the display is not the biggest part of the phone. Is it the price? Yeah. But the major one. It's one of the major ones, yeah? 30 percent, maybe. 30 percent. So... And the mass production is like... Millions of quantities already. Yeah. For this kind of display? Yeah. Because you say iPhone X, for example, uses... Every bezel less? Using something like this? Yeah. But the bezel, because there's a light region, it's because they have a bending at the bezel. So you can see the iPhone X with the bezel. The string types of the signals here at the bezel is only... Maybe they're point one or they're point two. That's because they have a display, have a bending. You only see that the active area from the front point of sight. But this is not only the display. Is it easy to make a touch screen that's flexible? Or is that a big challenge? Not so big, but it still has a challenge. It's a challenge, but it's not too difficult. Yeah. You also have to do flexible battery, flexible PCB, flexible... What I can say, other things. Cover glass, yeah. Like you said, we have a scratch. Yeah, but there's no cover glass, right? No need. No. But for your daily use, for like a cell phone, still have a cover glass. Better. It's better. Why? Is it going to break? Yeah, but no break. You still have a scratch or something. Scratch? But can you have a cover plastic or something that's good enough? Plastic. Still have a... A challenge. Like to crack, like to... Temperature or something. Plastic is not good for the image. It's a display, right? You use the plastic, so they have a lower transfer ratio. So the luminance, the contrast ratio is not good. And so... What is now here on the screen? Is it plastic cover, right? No. Yeah, just polyamide. That's like plastic or what? No, no. It's kind of like material we use. It's material. And I think, you know, it's kind of like a chicken and egg, because if you want to make it strong enough for people to put in a pocket like this regular phone, then of course you need glass. But if you make it a delicate phone, you only put it in a jacket pocket, you know? You put it carefully up here, just like a tissue. You know, the men, they have tissues for sneezing in and stuff. Like the gentleman's phone, you know? Just pull it out of the pocket. I have my little phone and put it back carefully. Yeah, I know that you're... I think that would be cool. But currently, the development training, like you said, will have some part of the part. It's not in the half portion, maybe small portion of that for the camera, for the battery, for the PCB part. But the other part of the display can be... This. This is also the... This year? Can we have it this year? Maybe in one year. Maybe. Maybe. Within the year, yeah? Yeah, within the year. And so this one is also maybe... Is it exactly the same display technology? Yeah, but this is the foldable. It's not flexible. This can be fully fold. Yeah. Is it exactly the same display technology? Yeah. The poly cover and everything? Yeah. So, how soon is a manufacturer going to make a phone like this? Foldable phone? I thought maybe three... Three years. Within three years. Why does it take longer to make this than this? You mean this different thing? Maybe this will come sooner than that? Ah. Maybe. Because this is only flexible, not fully foldable. Yeah. This is kind of like here. Because you have a... Yeah, you still can't fold it. This means that like your paper, this is hard. So you can't... You can't fold it, but you cannot fold it. What's your fold? You will find... I'll give you another one after. Yeah. This is cheap to make. It's not so cheap. No. So now everybody wants to have a notch, right? Yeah. Like Apple make a notch, so maybe more and more company is going to do notch now? Here's a different kind of way of thinking. Because this kind of notch product is that we can floor active the display. That means that we have all the area, active area is much more larger. So the large way is the kind of solution that we can adopt the earphone, the camera, like the laser or something. But there's still another kind of a product like Huawei. They don't have a large product. They want to... Yeah, no large product. Yeah. I think you can just put the camera down here. There's a bezel here. There's no need... You can just turn the phone. Then you can have a phone... Do you know why there is a much more thinker than this one? Because we have a PCB board here. Yeah. Or flexible. So once we put the camera here, it will be long. Like we have a longer chain. A little bit longer, right? Yeah. Almost the same. So the best way of the things we think about is maybe next generation of the product. We have more technology. They will have a known launch. This is still the screen, but we have through the hole here, in the display. In the display? Yes. This is a new way of thinking. But you can have the camera behind the display? Yeah, through the display. Through the display? Yeah. So you can still use the display, but there's a camera behind. Magic camera. No. You can see that our display is here, and this is not the display. But once we're through the hole, this is all kind of display, but there's a hole, but it cannot display any information. Only in this hole? Yeah. Everything else is okay? Everything else. Okay. Like beside the hole, they still have the information. So it looks like a dead pixel? Yeah. It looks like a big dead pixel? Yeah. But actually it's a camera? Yeah, actually. That would be great. Cool. What's the difference? Is it the same? You mean the two? Yeah. This is a technology we use, the AlphaCellicon. So this one is a bigger size, but the resolution is only high definition. Yeah. So this is a low cost. Affordable? Low cost. Yeah. But this one is a super brand. We use low temperature power silicon. So this is the four high definition. So the resolution is higher, and you can see the contrast ratio also, or luminance is higher. And the notch is bigger? This depends on the design. Okay. This is kind of a customer design, and this is another customer design. We can do whatever. You want a bigger one, you want a bigger one. How many customers want a notch right now? Actually, because the iPhone uses the product of the iPhone X without a notch. So maybe 80% of the customers... 80% are going to do notch. Yeah. I think this is sad. Everybody coffee apple. Make something new. I think everybody should do this. This should be the future right now. Everybody should just make these phones right here. Sorry, I'm static. But that would be so awesome if, you know, Huawei make a mate or somebody, you know, make like this, no notch, just a bezel on the bottom. I think that this is also... This will be a cool product, of course. But still like the iPhone as typically the industrial leader, that means the product iPhone invented is more mass production type. So we can have a lot of product. But once we use this kind of a product, then we have a many kind of engineering problem needed to solve. So this product may be much more expensive and the capacity for mass production is quite a bit smaller. If the big company make a big order, it will help, right? If Huawei say we want 10 million pieces, then maybe you can deliver. Yeah, one day they want, and they use this kind of design. So maybe big company. And as you said, other product, like Vivo or Oppo will follow this. This is called Xiaomi paper or something. Foldable waterproof. Can it be waterproof? This one, of course. All right, and right over here you have a whole bunch of other stuff too. You're showing 4K quantum dots. What is special about this one? The two of the discount product used for the notebook. Actually before that, notebook is only have a resolution like a high definition or four high definition. As Huawei developed another kind of product yesterday and R is a supplier. They have a 4K, 2K or 3K, 2K. Use a low-temperature policy technology to make kind of this a notebook. Because the notebook have a more request for good image. You can see that the quantum dots can take us with 4K and have a good image for seeing. You can see that this screen is so beautiful once you adapt it to your computer. It's very nice. What are we looking at here? This is our 4-active product. What does that mean? Full active. Full active. This means a large type. It's because we use this kind of... You can see that... It's a bezel less. No. It's just not a small bezel. Small bezel is a must. But still we have a longer. You can see that the screen is like 18.9. 18.9 or maybe 90.9. It depends on the customer. It's nice to have a phone like this. Yeah, of course. So how many smart phone displays does Tianma ship every year? Secret or tens of millions? I can see that the high-end cell phone... You can see that. We hope the quarter of 2017 or low-temperature policy can ship the top one. Number one. Of LTPS? Yeah, for cell phone. And global full active? Yeah, full active like we show you the 18.9 or 2.9. Also number one. Also number one. Oh, so there's a lot of stuff coming over there. And this is another one right here. This is our first touch. You can see that also the Apple product. You can detail it to the force. But the difference is that once you use your iPhone product you can only use one finger to touch. But we can't have much more.