 Okay, good morning students. Welcome to week four of our class on Managing Family for Paula Field are doing well One welcome to the E-learning students as well as you all have come in week after week to join us with the class Trust that you're keeping pace and are blessed by the course So we let's get started and I'll start with a word of prayer And then we'll do a quick recap of what we did last week and move on with our class for today So good morning. Good morning everybody. Good morning. She's a good morning. Nina, but that's the spring Emily father we thank you Lord for this new day. Thank you for your grace and your mercy over each one of us Thank you for sustaining us Lord through the last one week or we look to you even as we explore further things about Your foundation about marriage. We pray that You would give us open hearts give us open minds You would give us Lord the ability to unlearn things that we may have learned through our experience or Through teaching that's been erroneous father Lord We pray even as we look into your word that you would lift us up You would convict us you would help us Lord to live according to what you see now Thank you for the students who joined in pray Lord for those who are yet to come Lord pray for the each of the e-learning students as well Lord, thank you that you know each of them. You know their hearts Lord You know their ways God I pray that you will continue to bless and uphold each one in Jesus name I pray All right, so welcome once again So before we get started a quick Recap about what we did the last time we've been looking at the foundation of marriage looking at the biblical foundation the kind of Establishing what God has said about marriage and this institution and so we're looking to different kinds of topics and from here on We're getting specifically into More deeper core aspects about what's managers so before we get there Would would somebody like to recap about what we did last week anyone? What were some of the just pointers is is good enough at least one or two points one point per person can help us You know figure out that everyone has been awakened class and as he has also May probably right through some notes. Yes Different realms of compatibility Spiritual emotional intellectual physical and physical Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you Nina. All right anybody else We learned about how to make a choice and the warning signs Mm-hmm Okay, wonderful. Good one more person We saw what Isaac and Rebecca like from the story of Isaac and Rebecca We saw that it depends on the willingness of the person Hmm, and we also saw how to do the seeking Okay Wonderful. Good. Thank you. Thank you so much. So so the last chapter was all about Guidelines practical and biblical guidelines on how one makes a choice and we did look at as Nina said certain realms of compatibility How do you check to see whether you're compatible with others? You looked for red red planks or science that Signs that you would reconsider potential dangers on or potential problem areas that you would need to be careful about We also looked at how You know the concept of is there this one and only person that God's kept for me We answered that question through the story of Isaac and Rebecca We looked also at how God guides and what we could do how we could depend on God's guidance through his word Through the Holy Spirit as well as through the meaning of the mind and the reasoning God's given us and also be certain guidelines of how How it is important to stay prepared and it's not just about the wedding day day, but also What are the guidelines we keep during an engagement period and lastly spoke about single hood about what are some of the reasons for Singleness, okay. All right, great. So today we're going to be looking at chapter four and This is on page. I think in the book. It's different from The PDF which is on 38. So we're at 38 the book if you have the book with you. It is on 39. Okay, so Today we're going to like I said, we're going to get into a little bit more deeper into Into how and what what happens or what takes place in marriage and how through biblical understanding how we can navigate that and So we've been looking at oneness and how you build The the man and the woman coming together as one flesh So one way to progress into that place of unity or into that place of oneness is By fulfilling the roles that God has instituted in marriage, which is the roles for the husband as well as the wife So there are specific instructions that scripture gives on To a husband and to a wife on what their roles are towards each other Towards the family and towards marriage An institution as a whole. So what we're looking through this is to understand what God expects of the husband and wife and how the husband and wife can come together as well as be able to live the roles and and Really enjoy that process of marriage again So before we get there before we talk about it It's important that we establish a specific core or a specific truth that the Bible talks about in marriage which is what what is what we would find in first Peter was first Peter chapter 3 verse 7 and It is to establish the truth that both the husband and the wife are Equals and they are joint is the forgot So let's just read that scripture and then we will unpack that a bit put somebody Read first Peter chapter 3 verse 7 first Peter chapter 3 verse 7 anyone can unmute and read Anybody the same can you hear me? Yes? Yeah The same goes for you husbands be good husbands to your wives I'm reading from the message Translation which is in the book honor them delight in them as women they lack some of your advantages But in the new life of God's grace your equals Treat your wives then as equals so your prayers don't run aground Thank you. Thank you so much Nina. So if when we look at this this this is a An instruction that's given to to us to to the husband's and the wife's is That we need to consider each other as equals Why because in the sight of God God created us as co is we are co is with Christ And when we mean by co is is with all the gifts that he has released Onto us. Okay, so this means the husband and the wife As they stand before each other stand before God It is to know that they are equal. They are seen as co is Okay, because whatever it's he who gives the graces to us. It's him who gives the spiritual Grace to each one of us. So we are to look at each other as as equals Just like you would treat anybody else because we know that that's how God treats us God sees each of us as equals another aspect of this of the truth is seen in first Corinthians 11 11 to 12 now when you look at this verse, it specifically doesn't Pinpoint at marriage. Okay, it deals with other issues, which we're not really going to bring about here But the the two verses that's there it summarizes what the the interdependence or You know being being there for each other or ensuring that both walk together And are able to do things together depending on one another So they emphasize that God has designed the man and the woman to draw from each other to be able to be Interdependent with with one another So if you look at the verse and I'll read that out. It's from the Good News Bible again It's in the book in our life in the Lord However, woman is not independent of man nor is man independent of woman for his woman Was made from man in the same way man is born of woman and it is God who brings everything into existence so The good thing about marriage is the The fact that you can draw from each other's strengths and work together as one So it's it's not working parallely but drawing from each other Which means you're interdependent on one another So that's that's what we need to establish before we get into the roles of marriage that God has created each the man and the woman the husband and the wife to be equal to be a joint there and to be Interdependent on each other now even as we speak of this the Sometimes this concept of being cool equal and joint is Can some can be a bit challenging for men Especially when we come from a background or a cultural setting or a cultural background where Generally, you know, it's it's a patriarchal family where men are considered to be much more Important or much more superior than the women So it can be a challenge But what we need to look at is when we look at God's word, okay We we align ourselves to what scripture brings about to what scripture teaches us that we need to look at men or women The same way God sees us as equal God sees us of the same priority There isn't anyone that he considers better or greater or Superior inferior he's just created us different and as a result of which because of the difference is why there are different roles And not because the one is superior or one is inferior, right? So to be able to challenge This this understanding and align ourselves to what really God teaches us in scripture is what's important, okay? So since we've established That truth, let's get into dive straight into what are some Roles of the husband and the roles of the wife So when when we look at establishing these roles We are looking Even as we're looking at scripture if you would find that a lot of At times scripture brings about a parallel between Christ and the church the relationship or how The the relationship between Christ and the relationship between the husband and wife is Parallels to what Christ means to the church and the church to Christ. So even as we're looking at some of these References we will find that and we draw our meaning and we draw our understanding from this, okay, so just the way Christ Delt with the church and the church to submit to Christ is the same way It's the same picture that we build here even in marriages, okay? So let's look at some of these verses and from here. We will pick up some Roles that that scripture has specifically talked about, okay? So let's look at Ephesians 5 21 to 33 and I won't read the entire Chapter the entire portion, but I'd just like to probably Pick up Where exactly it's put and then you know kind of build from there So we will look at Ephesians 5 21 to 23 and some of the Roles that it brings about for the husbands we look at the husband's first and then we'll get looking at the wives Is in and I'll read out the verse and then you could probably end the line or just follow through. So I'm an Ephesians 5 Ephesians 5 verse 22, okay? So it says the husband provides a leadership to his wife the way Christ does to his church Not by domineering, but by cherishing. So we see we will unpack this In a lot more a little later But I just I just wanted to pick out some of those verses right and then we can talk about that So here you see that the husband is is a leader is has been called to lead the family because The Lord has placed the husband in a position to be the leader to to do the leading Okay, verse 25 of Ephesians 5 it says Husbands go all out in your love for your wives Exactly as Christ did for church did for the church a love marked by giving not Getting and if you look through the rest of the verses it talks of how the love of Christ makes the church whole and you could You know later just go through those verses meaning that The the love of Christ is what edifies and builds the church Okay, so husbands are called to love their wives verse 31 And this is why a man leaves father and mother and cherishes his wife No longer to they become one flesh. So here is a place where a Husband holds the wife in regard just like how you would cherish something that is precious So you you you hold them in regard like a treasure that has that that you have from God, okay? So that's that in Ephesians 5 21 to 30 33 we look at Colossians 3 18 to 19 and Colossians 3 19 talks This is what it says husband's love your wives and do not be harsh with them again There is an emphasis on On loving okay, and we will talk about that a little later Then the next one is first Peter chapter 3 verse 7 It says be good husbands to your wives Honor them delight in them as women they lack some of your advantages But in the new life of God's grace you have equals treat your wives then as equals as your prayers don't run the ground That's a verse that we read up earlier. Okay, and verse 8 it sums up and it says be agreeable Be sympathetic be loving be compassionate be humble now That's an instruction. That's for everyone for a man for a husband and wife, okay? So that's what we just we just will cover in For roles of the husband. I'll just read through those verses again for the wife so that you know We kind of pinpoint and Understand the role of the wife. Let's go to Ephesians chapter 5 verse 22. It says wives Understand and support your husbands in ways that show your support for Christ here You can see the parallel again how how the wives are to support and understand and submit Just like you show your submission to Christ. Okay verse 24 of Ephesians 5 So just as the church submits to Christ as he exercises such leadership leadership Wives should likewise submit to their husbands. Okay, there again is the role of submission then verse 33 Ephesians 5 verse 33 and This provides a good picture of how each husband is to treat his wife Loving himself in loving her and how each wife is to honor her husband It's both of this are there in this both the role of the husband and the wife Looking to Colossians 3 verse 18 Wives submit yourselves to your husbands for that is what you should do as Christians Moving to first Peter chapter 3 verse 1 the same goes for you wives be good wives to your husbands Responsive to their needs. They are husbands who Indifferent as they are to any words about God will be captivated by your life of holy beauty So it's specifically showing of how you submit and yield to the to the husband. Okay Now these are passages all of these passages actually describe how high How the husband and the wife need to relate to one another and the standard is Comparing the relationship between Christ and the church. Okay, so and if you look at it They parallely run together. They actually speak about the same thing. All right now when we look at some of these verses sometimes, you know Where we ask him how do we do that? But it's God who empowers us to do this if when he's put the standard for us It is it is the Lord who will Who will give us the ability to obey and give us the ability to do according to what he has planned so the so what we need to do is to ensure that we walk or we Live lives that are in accordance to what God has desired of us and what God has planned for us So let's summarize some of this and if you look in the notes It's it's put up pretty clearly and we just look through some of them So the first one we said is love and if you see that's the husband's as well as the wife's role is to love Love their wives love their husbands So when when we look at the way Christ loved the church, we see the love of Christ from From the aspect of being unconditional Meaning there aren't any conditions for that love that it isn't I will love you I will love you if you love me back. It isn't that way Okay, it is it's a love that comes without looking for anything in return It's a love that is committed. It is a love that is always there. It's a love that is loyal So that's what we call as the agape love. You would know that When in English the word love Probably has just a single meaning But when you look at it in Greek, there are different terms of that love So the love the word love used here in this aspect where the husband loves the wife Is the word agape love which means unconditional love the way that Christ loved love the church where he sacrificed his life Without expecting anything in return. Okay, this kind of a love that you would see is described in first Corinthians chapter 13 verses 4 to 8, you know, the The chapter on love where it where it talks about how you love and that's the same love that the husband Shows to the wife. Okay, those are the characteristics and you could read that later The the love of Christ to his to his church is that of a sacrificial love a love that actually builds up and equips and enriches The wife and that's the love that the husbands are called to have to word survive the agape love the unconditional love Okay The second one that we look at is to be the leader to be the leader of the home now When you look in scripture, you will see that Christ has instituted man to be the leader and That's that's the structure of God's design for marriage, right? So in God's eyes The husband is placed In position above the wife not because of his abilities to do things But because it's it's a placement that he's he's put in he's Divinely placed the husband as the head and as the authority of the wife and the authority of the home Okay, and so this this comes when the So that and it is kept in such a way so that the husband is able to provide that Loving servant leadership to his wife and his family. Okay So that leadership comes from the example of Christ being the head of the church Okay, and the the leadership again is based on the example of Christ on on the way that Christ Leads the church. So when we look at the the The entire scripture you see the way how Christ dealt with people how how Christ is coming back for his church Right. So all of our examples are from the way Jesus deals with with with his sheep with his people and This this leadership the example of this leadership What you would see in society is Maybe is a very distorted form But when we are looking at a Christian marriage, it is based on the example of Christ Okay, so what does this leadership involve this leadership does involve In taking the responsibility for managing The home for providing for the home for for being able to meet the needs of the home to be able to make those important decisions to gather people at the home to also Be the leader be the spiritual leader of the home Okay, now the leadership of the husband Has to have the characteristic of love where the the husband is a loving leader and not an authoritative leader and you know If you remember, you know being back in school, you would probably have Have the greatest affection for a teacher who's firm right rather than the teacher who's who's extremely Authoritative right, but you would have a have a affection to a teacher who's firm who knows their boundaries yet to someone Who's able who's loving and who is caring in in the way that they interact so our husband earns the wives submission by being a person of by being a man of of a strong character of a strong Nature or of being able to be the right example So that's where that leadership come comes from now Being a leader a husband being a leader It may not mean that the husband may always be right and it is important that the husband walks humbling and is willing to take the The Opinions of his wife be able to take whatever points she may have for for any decision or for for any specific Instance taking her points or her opinions into consideration and be willing to acknowledge that That you know that that is that is also right So and that's what we see in scripture in Ephesians 5 21 we read that Being able to submit to one another so it comes from that where even that the husband can draw from the from the Expertise or the opinions of the wife and that it is perfectly okay because you are called to submit to one another Okay other Roles that you would say is you would see here is How the husband needs to nourish his wife nourishing means to be able to Speak into or to to ensure that they Encourage or strengthen or to empower them to be and to build themselves up To to follow through the purposes of what god has in store for the wife. Okay nourish also means to um to give to give to His wife In all all aspects be it physically be it emotionally be it spiritually nourish is to Is to help to grow is help to grow to a certain direction just like how you nourish a plant with what it needs Right, it needs water sunlight fertilizer so that it will it will grow it will it will thrive well and that's exactly what Husband is called to do to his wife The next one is to cherish cherish means to hold As something valuable just like how you'd give to give you'd get a gift that is probably quite expensive Or or a gift from somebody you really consider Consider close to you what you would do is you would cherish it right? You wouldn't let it to rot or you wouldn't let it here and there carelessly. So how does the husband a wife? Husband cherish his wife is by communicating to her is by Helping her see that she is she is valuable by helping her In in the everyday things of life Ensuring that there is a helping hand to her by being able to set an example of of Setting an example of how he pursues God, right? So these Again cherishes is also building together the relationship and bringing about intimacy So that is what a husband is called to do to cherish his wife the other two Things is how you know and honor the wife knowing and honor the wife is Knowing her is to really understand see what they like what they don't like what pleases them what displeases them knowing what their Their desires are what they would like to do. That's what knowing is to really engage with them So that so that the husband knows what exactly the person is Okay, the next one is honor honor the honoring them is to hold them in high regard or to or to really respect who they are as people and also to Hone their gifts or whatever talents that they carry. So this is what we've seen in in the husband The roles of the husband, okay? If you look at the book This is a very practical book. So if you look at the book, there are Certain places where you can you can actually think about ways You can fulfill these roles certain practical ways. You can fulfill these roles. So, you know, for those of you Who aren't yet married, you know, this is one way to do that And those of you who are, you know, you could build on whatever you're doing The next one we look at is the role of the wife. What is the role of the wife? Now the wife is also called to love the husband And this love if you if the word the greek word that you look at That the base comes from Is what is called the philia love the philia love is the love of a companion the love of a friend Okay, so this word is used to show that you are your husband's best friend or a companion or a helper Right and and you love like like you would love a companion And this comes again also from a From a place of unconditional acceptance to be able to accept them Despite their failures despite their shortcomings and this acceptance is not really You do not just accept them because they've done what they were supposed to do But you accept them because you recognize that they carry The their imagebearance they carry the worth and the dignity that gods put on them Okay, so not just not just accepting them for what they accomplish or what they do Or how they look but for uh for the worth that gods put inside of them the value that god has placed inside of them Okay, uh, even the love for Love of a wife to a husband is also sacrificial and it is demonstrated through your service demonstrated through your Your your place to be available or willing to help or to respond to the needs of the husband Okay, it's also being responsive to whatever needs that they may have that's where we see The love that comes for the wife's role The next we're going to look at is Being able to submit now what submission means to be able to yield to the husband and show that kind of support and show the kind of The fact that you are there to support and to help him along life's journey So this is again this comes from The the willingness to submit comes from the recognition that god is the one who's appointed the husband as the head over the home It comes from that obedience obediently submitting because you recognize that that's the placement that the husband has and and you stand in as a person who who Walks walks in submission to them So when you as a wife Submit what you are also doing is you are helping your husband to take on that specific role You're empowering your husband to take on the role of a leader. You're willingly Supporting and helping your husband fulfill that role because He's going to be called or he's going to be asked about What he's done is the way that he raises his family and as a wife It's important to be able to submit to that because of what god has placed the placement that he has it will free him Of of doing what he needs to do as a leader, okay? So we looked at what submission is. Let's also look at what submission Is not when it's where submission is definitely not being inferior Submission is not That you lose who you are your Your traits your the kind of person you are your desires It doesn't mean that that you lose your identity And it doesn't mean also blind obedience that you give yourself up to be abused or To be totally manipulated or used because of that role So it comes together. It comes hand in hand the submission and the leadership Comes hand in hand. So having having understood that to be able to submit it is By submitting you do what you're doing is demonstrating your support and also keeping in mind that You recognize that god has placed your husband in such a role and for you There is a there for you as a wife. There is a role of submission of yielding to that leadership Okay, the last two is respecting respecting the husband and helping the husband. So respecting means to be able to hold with With honor holding up with honor. So it in the ways that it is practically seen is when You're you encourage and you appreciate and you're ensuring that you Celebrate the person that your husband is right through the differences that that you may see from you being able to celebrate and honor that it also means To Give encouragement to also Means to admire, you know, I this is something that I I read in a book of and I thought it's it's Really nice of how when you treat someone with respect There are three aspects of treating them. You need to have a head of respect You need to have a heart of respect and you need to have hands of respect So the head of respect is the way that you think about your husband Or the heart of respect is the way that you feel towards your husband And the hand of respect is what you do for your husband So it starts from the way that you think about your husband. So every time, you know Maybe something has gone wrong at home or you know, they don't they fall short of certain expectations You may have there are certain thoughts that keep running in your mind And that's important to change. That's important to renew You know to be able to think of him as a god-given gift to be to think of him as a Precious gift as a good thing that God's provided for you despite the differences that it is So it starts with the respecting head of respect and then moving on to the heart of respect So the more that you think about them as the way god thinks of them You will begin to feel a sense of love and respect and cherishing and Honoring and once you're able to feel that then you're able to serve them Genuinely serve them Well, okay, so just just those three aspects is something that may just just added And the fourth one is to be is to be a helper and helper is to stand as and as a comrade as an aid for needs by assisting by supporting and encouraging things that the husband does so These are these are the certain roles. So for the husband, it's to love It's to nourish to cherish to lead to know and to honor And for the wife, it's to love to submit to respect and to help Okay, now Even as we've read through this. Yes. God has given each of us a role and he has described how it should be It should be done. So What what we should be looking at is to continuously grow into being that kind of Spouse that God has ordained for us Despite the despite seeing the flaws or the limitations we have So when we see that when the spouse when the husband fulfills his role when the wife fulfills her role The the marriage is more in the way. God has designed it to be and it is and it works Towards unity and it works towards that Oneness. Okay. All right. I'll just stop here for any questions that Y'all may have any questions Or any thoughts you don't have to have questions you can give any thoughts maybe some things that You're new differently. You understood differently and maybe this has challenged you and Really stirred your heart. It doesn't have to be a question. It can also be a comment or a or a thought or a reflection There's some some interactions, but I know everybody's on the other side and awake Something that was really Helpful for me was about when you mentioned about the head of respect in the heart and the hand. So Many times We think like, you know, we have to do it and that's why we do it But when we really think highly of them like no matter what has happened or there might be some small things That might be going on but we don't think highly and we don't feel great And when we think it's not it's not it's not actually coming out of the heart and even Jesus is also displaced In the thing but when we actually know the truth, you know, it's God who wants me to respect and admire And it is God has given him certain values And it is because he has to fit into my thinking and my way of life But I just have to value him because God has given me the best and highly that feeling and that doing that was That was really useful to me That's nice. Yes, it's really touched my heart as well. That's I shared it Anybody else one more person? Yes, go ahead My name is Shantan I'm speaking to the women in class My affiliates, I wanted to say they come to do some reading now against men If you men do have a talk The part mostly they come to they can manage from this Anand you're not very clear. I'm sorry. I can't follow what you're saying Can you come closer to the mic Please Is it okay? Okay, just speak a little slower because I'm because it's a lot of echo. I'm not able to clearly hear just speak a little slower Okay, you're somebody else. I'm sorry. Okay. All right. I don't know who that is but Okay, I understood you're calling from class. Yeah, go ahead go ahead I Okay, is that anyone else who's understood the question because I I don't think I could have I have followed anyone else understood the question yeah yeah that's better yes once again what I want to say is when it comes to a marriage nowadays you see that there's usually a imbalance in and power from both husband and wife said as in what I want to say is that usually they used to be an equal amount to understand equal amount of respect but now it seems that from the wife side they need more power or more authority that they want to be the head rather than the husband and the husbands to what happens is that they become less you know that they become submissive under the husband it's not more like an equal share of power and equality between them is what I wanted to say okay okay thank you and who's speaking please it's I didn't hear ma'am again no no I heard I heard who's speaking my name is Sean Sean okay okay thank you Sean yeah so thank you so I mean I could hear you right now so you're right Sean that when you look at at the world today and especially if you if you look at a current culture that the kind of culture that that is being built up is you know with with with women being more you're getting into a workforce women you know with with a lot more of opportunities that are there for women yes women also are are doing well in life however the idea that they can do things you know without a man or they can do things without the instruction of a man has come as a result of a lot of wrong doctrines you know the kind of movements that are there speaking of you know women can do things without without the requirement of a man all of that brings about a severe division between men and women right and and then it becomes a very competitive kind of experience but the word of God you know is so graceful that he he wants each person man or woman to be able to grow according to the way he's created them right and for us to understand that and live by it is sure there is surely a blessing right when you see this entire structure I'd call it some kind of a structure like the husband being the head the woman being being submissive to the husband when that structure is is in play or is carried out as according to God's plan the blessing of the Lord is there when you see that this gets toppled and sometimes you would see it the other way where the woman is holding the greater authority and the man you know just just just buckles under that or doesn't take on the responsibility and then it becomes like a pattern you would see that there are challenges and consequences that come so what God has instituted is is in a way for everyone to have a blessing through that okay so what you did say is right and that that is what we see is evident and that's why we align ourselves to what God has spoken about we align ourselves to bring back and rebuild that kind of a structure and this structure again like I said does not show inferiority or superiority each person has a role and we play that role it's just like if you were in a company where you have a manager above you and you report to them there is a certain structure and that's that's usually my question to couples you know if in a company you know that there is a structure like this and you submit to that structure how much more we should be submitting to the structure that God has instituted in the family right because it's for the growth and the well-being of the family yeah so thank you Sean for that I think that is that was just a statement and it wasn't a question okay all right so um so if you know especially for for all of us who are married and those who are waiting to be married that is um on page um I think it's 45 on page yes yes you uh Anand or Sean whoever is on that side of the class also this is Rin speaking yes Rin yes go ahead Rin uh yeah it's just a comment um like what what I observed was from where um it says to love as Christ loves I mean obviously only God can show this kind of agape love and conditional love but like he wants us to implement that with with a partner with her husband and yeah that's something that's hard from both sides so yeah yeah you're right and that's why we look to God for the equipping and it's you're right that it is it is difficult it is hard but a lot equips okay um so for those of you all who are interested and you know I'd really challenge you all to do especially those who are married uh is to go through that that entire page on the first Corinthians 13 it talks about what love is and how you could express it to your spouse it says love is patient love is kind it's not jealous not arrogant not proud what are some practical ways in which you can do that and so if you would like to um you know do that it's like a small little assignment that y'all can do okay uh the next portion that we're going to be looking at is how um as ministry leaders or as people who um are involved in the church community or we are in in certain positions of leadership in the church and for all of us as ministers because we are all ministers right how what what is the responsibilities that we have is something that we will we will look at because there are a lot of verses that talks about um because we are much more accountable to God right when when we are following Christ when we are in a place where we are speaking into the lives of others um our accountability our standards are much greater so we will look at that when we come back um after a break so it's 10 49 10 15 or 9 o'clock we will be back in 10 minutes at 11 so you can grab yourselves a cup of coffee and come back see you soon