 And I would love to know what everybody thinks. What's the difference between Rick Rubin and DJ Khaled? The first year Rick Rubin and DJ Khaled? Yeah. See, I feel like, I feel like position wise, maybe not much. Cause DJ Khaled also plays like instruments and does actual production, right? I don't know. I saw a video one time with him with a drum pad. I'm assuming he was really using it. Full blown. That could have been for the camera just poking him. That's what's happening. Cause I'm actually making an argument in that direction but still, I don't know. I doubt it. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna give him a bit of a dose and say it does. So, you know, they both can do that. And I would have to say on paper, well, service level is not much, but on paper, I think the vibes that branch of the studio sessions are different. Like I feel like the studio session with Rick Rubin is like candles everywhere, maybe like light snacks. Like grapes and mini bottles of water and crackers and things like that. And it's a lot more... Couch. You're gonna have a couch. Couch somewhere, probably incense playing, maybe like a yoga shaman in the corner. And I feel like DJ Khaled is like the complete opposite. Like it's like wings everywhere. Like alcohol, there's a lot of music playing in a different room in the back. You know what I'm saying? Maybe like three or four like studio bad bitches with the hell. Like I feel like the vibes are completely different. They bring to bring what they bring out of the artist. Here's my thing. And I say this as somebody who has been rocking with and studying Rick for a long time. So the reason I say this is funny enough. Someone who's been an admirer of where Rick Rubin has built for a long time. And I'm talking about going back to early 2000s when I was younger, because watching stuff with him and Russell Simmons and documentaries and stuff. Somebody who's been an admirer that long. I still always have like my independent thinking and way of questioning. So it's like, I've felt this way. But now Rick Rubin has become like hot with a younger crowd, right? Yeah, that podcast man. The podcast behind them in the field. The podcast, the Joroga interview. There's a lot of people that are like, oh yeah, I want to be like Rick Rubin and like, you know, whatever. And now they're even using him as like cloud points. Like, you know, when it's like a cool person to say that you actually know who that person is or you dropped a quote from that person. He's becoming that person, right? Now, at the end of the day, Rick himself be like, I don't really got no talents. I just listen, I just got my ear and I give my opinion. That's what Rick says. That's what he said, man. What's the knock against DJ Khaled? He'll be like, he'll got no talent. He's been moving stuff together. He just put people together. It's the same thing, right? Which is interesting because again, like I said, I've admired and watched Rick for a long time. So this isn't hating for those people who can't understand nuance. This is me trying to question the weird hypocrisy that comes into play because of that. It's like, all right, it's one thing to be like, you just don't like DJ Khaled vibe. You don't like that he be talking and he's loud. You know, his approach is energy, which I can see that type of person who has to light hustle and move in that way. And his background versus Rick's background and how things culminated are completely different. Please don't get it twisted. DJ Khaled didn't have to grind different. If you, so I understand how he can be a turn off, but say it's a turn off because of him, don't diminish what he's created or what he's been a part of because he doesn't have this skill or that skill. When you love this other guy, it don't talk about the fact that he doesn't have this skill or that skill. Yeah, yeah. 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Yeah, I was about to say, I think the ironic thing of it is, well, it is kind of ironic. I think Rick Rubin gets a little bit more love because his look and the way he kind of talks about things goes hand in hand with all like any movement going on all right, like be yourself, conform to this real philosophy and no shaman type guy approach. And like DJ Khaled, like the surface level represents industry. Right, the motherfuckers buying the billboards and gaming the Grammys and shit, you know what I'm saying? Like, he represents that crowd. What's funny is that, like I said on paper, that's how it looks, but the surface level, they're both the industry part. You know what I'm saying? Like, Rick Rubin, be philosophical, talk about shit. He be talking, his head, he thinking about the time he worked with like Travis Scott or Drake or some shit. Yeah, I'm saying, he not thinking about, you know, little whoever, you know what I'm saying? So in that sense, he's really no different. Oh yeah, I see what you're saying. Like, his brand is like down to earth, but. His experience is a nox. He in space. So he's like saying something from up here, but in a way that makes you here feel here and you think he's here with you was, I know he's thinking about up here. So they both think imagine like Rick Rubin, drop the song and all his philosophicalness and that shit did less than 300K. I was like, he probably sick, you know. You think he care about that? I don't think he care about that. I think he do. He's at a point where he can make us think he doesn't care because he has so much of it. It's like, for real, like for real, and they would be like, I don't really care about the Grammys. I'm like, yeah, for real, of course you don't care at this point. You know what I'm saying? Like, of course at this point, it doesn't make sense for you to care. Yeah. You know, so I think he doesn't, I think him not Kang is authentic because he's already reached that point so many times. You know what I'm saying? It's like a billionaire telling you he don't care about money. It's like, yeah man, I guess you've worked to the point where you don't have to do like, you know what I'm saying? The fake shit, particularly the self-made folks. It's like, yeah, you richer. You talking my word, life balance. You do sound bass and saw us all the time. And now you got people thinking that that's what they need to do. Oh, it's like, bro, but the, what happened to 20 years? Yeah, I'm a 20 now, bro. I'm for that. Yeah. So to me, it's the exact same vibe. But like, I think it's that, I think deeper than the server's level of the same person. Server's level is not, you know? And Rick Rubin's the only person in the music industry that can get away with being famous and looking to the show all the time. And I think it's, you know, it's all, yeah, it's part of the brand, right? But he's the only person in the music industry that can get away with not looking clean all the time. It's crazy. But with a dirty feet, big-ang-a-couch type shit, baby door. Boy, ain't Post Malone. Post Malone gets wet with it, too. Post Malone. I don't watch Post Malone MVs. That man, that man, he sends a wild shit. See, I mean that right there. And he live on a ranch. So I know he's feet dirty. That right there might be, you know. There's just other things that come with why that is or why they even, I don't wanna go down that route. That's the thing, that'll take us a different direction. But I think it's interesting to observe, right? At the same time, because if you think about mapping out your own career, right? The utility of a conversation like that is, these people, generally speaking, have a very similar skill set of what they provide. You can say one's better to you or the other is better to you. That's fine. But with that being in mind, there being a similar skill set, the outcome is completely different. They're both successful, you know what I mean? But the way it looks, the way it feels, and that's when you start thinking about what do I want my brand to be? You know, how do I wanna move and what moves are necessary to pattern after to get anywhere in that direction? So I think he's done a good job. And well, both of them done a good job of doing it the way they wanna do it. But that conversation, I feel like people need to address the hypocrisy in that to really see it for what it is, what makes them them. And why do you hate one or why do you love the other or why do you love the other one? I hate one. Because I feel like with that type of approach, the Rick Rubin approach, people like that are usually assholes, Rick. Now, for me, I don't necessarily mean that in a bad way, but it's like they have like this very peaceful way of like communicating, but then also what comes with that peaceful way of communicating but strong mindedness that created the work that they have, that perspective comes with strong opinions and ways of doing things. So in some categories, people end up like, oh wait, I thought this person was all peaceful. He's pretty brash and he's pretty straightforward. So you know that there's something that probably are like, damn, I don't like this. You know, like he's an asshole because he has a specific, oh yeah, that's trash. But you know, there's some stuff like, yeah, that's bad. Like his whole thing and why he even started like a lot of his, it was like this perspective of like, let's fuck the music up because his perfect music is too, I don't know, like lame or boring. Whatever words he would use at that time was like with the 80s or some shit, but that was his whole thing. He was kind of like the rebellious rocker kid. I'm from a pretty good background, but I'm like rebelling and I don't really care about a lot of this shit. That takes a certain type of mind to be able to do that. Yeah, all right. So I don't know, man. Yeah, I just needed to answer this bill. My question has been on my heart. And I know where he was going, I ain't gonna lie. Bruh, I'm just, so many people all of a sudden be on that bandwagon and I'm cool with that. I'm not one of those people that, like we referenced earlier, all of a sudden, oh, this person ain't cool because too many people think he's cool. I'm not that, but I'm just like, y'all are just shitting on DJ Khaled so hard, but y'all love this man. And what's the difference? The rollout. He's like Khaled ain't giving us quotables that fit over classical music. He said he's not ready. He's not. His quotables fit over like trap music. Like workout music. Yeah, yeah, I can give you that. I can give you that, man, I can give you that. Oh man, let's switch it up, man. Let's get into the science of creating music because designer says, hey, he got the sauce with being his. Okay. So, you have to give me that, man. No, man, I mean, I like designer, bro, so. Let's see what he got. Just the headline, no, it hit me different.