 It's a unique hustle big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, it's a unique hustle big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit, name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy E.C.E.O. and I'm here with the lovely, amazing official Mr. Mako, what's up? None, none, you know my dad, what's up? Man, hold up, man, hold up, man, it's the one I've been trying to get to happen for a while too. I'm excited as hell. I'm here though, with my boy, T-Rail, what's up baby? What's poppin, I'm here. Man. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, man. I ain't playing no games. Oh, you're gonna get that. That's how I'm better, right? Yeah, that's how I'm better. Yeah, man, so just, man, I've been trying to get you over here, I know you be traveling, I know you be doing your things, shows and everything. I understand business, right? But boy, I was sure fighting for you, everywhere you go, I see you, I get upset, I told you that already. I'd be like, man, I gotta get him on Boss Talk. There's no way I was gonna be in Dallas and not come all at you. Another thing that, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't care where you at. I'm looking at your tour dates and all that. Oh, you can't tell me. What? Sound like a stalker, don't it? Sound like a stalker. Yeah, yeah, for sure. That was me. Hey, that's what makes great blogs, you know what I'm saying? I just thought, I definitely, I'm a big fan, I love the way that your energy is. Even before the music, just your character. For sure. That sticks out to me when I look at what you do, man. You know, and you know, I'm definitely a sucker for the ones who really stumped down parents. So that's something I've been doing for years. You know how I am about that. For sure. A good father, man, and all that. That's what I'm trying to push. So when I see that, I get excited, man. Oh yeah, more about raising my children better than I was raised. For sure, for sure. I like the way how you say that because before we get into that, I want to know how you were raised. I want to know the area you came from. I want to know everything you have to do with your background. Say you're willing to tell. I'm from Topeka, Topeka, Kansas. Okay. Triple six, zip code. You know, it's tough for her. I'm from, I grew up in an apartment in Topeka, like with my grandma since I was two. Grandma life is good because grandma be spoiling kids. Grandma's life is good. My grandma had neuropathy in her legs and she had diabetes. So she was always sleep. She, if you wake her up, then you get your ass whipped. You know what I'm saying? She was always sleep. What is neuropathy? Neuropathy is like a very bad pain. It's a lot of people get it. Some people get it in their arms. She had it in her left leg really bad. And it hurts a lot. So that's why she would go to sleep. She would take medication over and that's how she passed. Her heart just stopped from all that medication. That stuff bad on your heart. See, that's what I can't stand. You know, we go to doctors to try to get better. But when people don't understand, when you read all of these medications, they say all these side effects. You know, yes, it cures this or yes, it helps this, but has this long amount of side effects. And I'm like, are you, people don't, people take it because they're in pain. They don't care about everything else, but they don't realize that you're messing up everything else in your body. Your body's a natural healer. Yeah. If you treat it right. You know, I mean, I don't get sick much because I really don't take medicine. I can't stand going to doctors, something about me. But yeah, I was raised by her and she, she was sleeping a lot. So I was one of the kids that had to do everything on his own. You know, and then I lived her till I was 16. I was on my own. How many kids were in the house? Just you? Just me and her. And then my other cousins would come sometimes. You know, but we didn't have much. Yeah. So it made you grow up really quick. Yeah. It's like my family lived off my grandma's disability. Yeah. That's the way we was too. You know, everybody coming in the first and end of the month to come get some of her money to pay their bills. Did that make you mad? Yeah. I mean, yeah, because I didn't really get much. I got one pair, maybe two pair of shoes a year and clothes. I said, we're cheaper clothes. That's why I do like Walmart stuff because I was made fun of because I had old ass and one zone. I'm wearing Walmart clothes. I used to be embarrassed to go on Walmart. And I know there's kids out there that's embarrassed that they can't wear with all the other kids is wearing. And an artist in my stature being big as I am, I put on that Walmart clothes. It's all right to wear it. It's okay. Yeah, I love that. Also, I'm smarter because I wear it. You know, I'm an artist. I wear these cut off t-shirts because I wear a t-shirt a day. I sweat it out. Well, I'm gonna sweat out Balenciaga shirt. That caused me 1500, not wearable one time. But I can put this one hundred. I like the fact you have your head on your shoulder, but have you always been like that or something that you had to grow into? I mean, yeah, I always wanted those things, but I had to get smart. No, I got with Nellie. I got, you know, Ali was my mentor. And he would tell me all the time, how you come into the game is how you got lead the game. So he's like, T-Rail, if you come in every day throwing money and flashing money and wearing Gucci, you're gonna have to leave. He said, when you're not wearing it, they're gonna call you broke. You know, but right now you wear a Walmart. Right. Which it all makes sense, but it's just that everybody I know that comes into the game because they never had it. They have to like, in their mind, okay, give me the six months to just blow it and just have a good time with it. No, I never had that. I never had it because my son got cancer early in my career and I used my money to save his life. Because his insurance when it covers chemo. So I didn't get to buy cars. I didn't get to buy houses. This is my first chain. Wow. This is my first role. He's in remission now. Thank God. You know, God is through all the time. So I didn't get to do those things. I didn't get to do that. I didn't get to stud. My stud was saving my kid's life and that's the biggest flex I can ever give you. Man. How far in your career did you, were you when you found out about his? Right when my dog came out. My dog came out and that was when my mom fucking fired. You know, I was on fire. Yeah. And I was already touring with Boosie. I was using everything I had just to go on tour with him. So right after I did my first tour at Boosie, I had my dog going out the video. Here comes my news and my son got cancer. So luckily, thank God, I was at the point where I was getting paid shows. I didn't know about doing mixtapes and albums. I had a hot single. All I knew is I had a one track mod. I got to get money to feed, to take care of my kid's health. So I was doing show after show after show and it kind of drowned my buzz out because I was doing so many cities. You know, then there was artists like... Did that kill people's buzz? Yeah. When you didn't drop in constant projects. Are you singing the same things over and over? Yeah. Because I'm really trying to get out here and make some money. Oh man, because Kemos do. Yeah. It's hard. I can't go on a studio and think and be an artist. All I think about is... And I didn't have a good manager to say, sing about what you're going through. That's exactly what I was thinking about. That's real. The first person I ever seen. Or anybody around you. It doesn't even always have to be a manager. There's somebody to plug that into your pop process. I didn't tell people where I was going through when I was going through it. I was just... Because you had to deal with it by yourself? Yeah. Or you were just that person? Yeah. My manager was a promoter. He didn't know how to manage. He just got me a deal with Empire and he went off by himself. I basically was managing myself after a while. I found random people to come on the road with me, ride with me, bro. And you play like my manager so I can do these shows. I'm from Kansas to Pika. We don't got everything. We don't got nothing. We just got to Radio Station two days ago. Wow. You know what I'm saying? We don't got nothing. So... So where was your child's mom during this time? She was keeping him. She lives in Kansas City. You're together? No. No. She was keeping him. But she was dependent on me. Dependent on me. Dependent on chemotherapy. That hurt me the most that I couldn't be there with him like in doctor's appointments. Yeah. No. I get it. But I had to live out there. Like I was in my Chrysler living out there. But you were doing what was most important, which was trying to supply. Yeah. So people wanted to... They called me broke. They called me all kind of names. That made... That diminishes an artist's look because you expect them to get big change, jewelry, money, flashing. The normal things artists do, I didn't do. But I love that. I love that because me coming from Jamaica, when I hear you talk about even kids growing up and people wanting to have this and wanting to have that, I was a tomboy. So I was too busy running around on the street playing soccer and beating up all the boys and doing all of that sort of stuff. Yeah. So I had one pair of shoes, but I didn't look at it as something bad. I'm like, we grew up, you get a pair of shoes until this one is worn out, you get another one to go back to school. But that was the norm for me. You're just super, super rich, but you can't miss something you didn't have. As long as you had something on your feet and not walking around barefooted. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Yeah, you see them. You see them, George. I didn't care about all of that. I did. I was, I wanted them 13s and 11s. I grew up watching Mike and Kobe. You know, I wanted those shoes, but I couldn't get them. My grandma couldn't afford those shoes. Right. She couldn't afford that. Not when my mama coming, asking for helping her with her rent and my auntie's coming to ask, offer one paycheck. You know, I couldn't do that. So I mean, I was happy. I lived my life. I played outside every day. But it made you who you are today. Huh? How old were you? I was... Like when you first got into... How old was you when you had your first kid? When I had my first kid, I was 21. Okay, so... So you weren't that young. No, no. You see, that's what I'm saying. Because when I was 21, man, it was bad, man. Drugs had just came out like I liked it and I was going to sell them dope and all the nigga. Your kid would have been good. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm going to go give me some dope. Well, I was selling pills. No, like, I was... No, like, we got, like, cocaine. I was doing all kind of crazy shit. Keys of coke and that was the bad, man. That was bad, man. I promise when I have my child, I'll stop. I want the beater. I don't want to get in trouble. See, I wasn't like that. Me, I was tripping. Like, I was going to try to make everybody in the hood good. I went to jail one time and I was like, fuck you. No, no. I went and then I lied and said I was my brother. I was trying to figure out how to scam that out. I'm just telling you. Like, I'm just a real... Like, I was trying to take care of everybody in the family. Yeah, the social and everything. I was trying to figure it out, man. Because these niggas were broke. We were broke. I feel you. So, I mean, it was bad. So I'm like, I got to help these niggas. They ain't ready for this. We want to come up. Yeah. Wasn't no really rap. It was in the West Coast and in the East Coast. It wasn't in the South. So, in my time, you had to go get it. Yeah. So, for you to be... I thank God that you made the right decision for your kids. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because I didn't. I had to go away for a second just to, you know, recoup this mind. I said to get back and know. That's because a parenting to me means a lot. Yeah. Because my dad wasn't there. And I'm going through it with him now. Like, I'm not talking to him now. You know, because I feel like when he got out of prison, I was the only one... Me and my other brother was taking care of him. And he wasn't doing... When nobody was doing for him, I was putting money on books and stuff like that. That's the inner kid in you that wants your father to be there for you when he gets out. How long was he gone? He just did seven. And you kept money on the book the whole time? I helped him out the whole time. And when he got out, he didn't do what? Hey, all I wanted to do was come... Get there for you. Be there for me. Come spend some time with me. And let's make it about me and you. You know, come here in my music. Ask me about why I made this record. Be my father. Come to a show. How long now? How's he been out? Oh, he been out about two years now. You still ain't been to a show? No, man, I ain't playing that. So I want to be a better dad than the dad I had. I want to be a better dad than the mother I had. But let me ask you a question though. Because as I got older, I realized this. And I saw a lot of people too. But have you ever asked him, or found out how was he raised? Like, the certain things that, how he was treated? Because he might not know better than who he is. You understand what I mean? I mean, his mom, my grandma, she was an amazing grandma. Oh, so that was your dad's mom? Okay, that you were with? No, I'm talking about his mom. Yeah. I used to go to her house every other weekend. And I used to go be with her on weekends. She was amazing. I heard of other kids. He was just in the streets. It was just him. Yeah, he was just in the streets. My uncle was an amazing uncle. Y'all have an uncle, he helped raise me growing up. We do parties when I was in high school. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? We used to turn it up. We used to throw big parties in the south side of the peak. I got into doing entertainment, doing parties and clubs. That's because of him. My uncle, he had a house across the street. He had his house right here. And he used to have an empty house. He let me and my brother, John, throw parties in it. We used to charge, and we'd fill it up every weekend. Is that the brother that passed away? No, that's my brother here right now. Okay, that's your brother. Okay, I ain't even see him. He's quiet. He ain't like you. Nah, he's not here. He's never quiet. He supported me, bro. Because when I supported him in high school, he was a track runner. Yeah. What can run fast? What about how fast? Fast. I need a time. I'll never say fast on here. What you run 100 in, John? That's pretty fast. In high school? High school. That's fast. My boy ran there too. That Blanton boy. I know these boys can run. Y'all, yeah. I wish I'd have caught you out there on my day. We were so broke, my fat ass went out for field just so I can go watch him run. That's good, man. I came forward to get to the thing. So let me go off the field so I can ride the bus with y'all. I know I couldn't throw that disk. I had no interest in throwing that shit. I want to go watch my brother run and cheer him up. That's dope, man. That's cool. So improvise. I love that. I love the support that you give. I love all of that. So let me ask you a question. Holy's trying to come in and say hi to y'all. I like all foursmen. They're all foursmen. They're my people, man. Yeah. You wish it y'all called me. No. But you know, one thing I can say is, man, being that, you know, I used to be in, don't thank you by yourself. I know what you had in Topeka. I was up there in Fort Riley. I love Fort Riley. I was in Ogden. Y'all be in the Junction City Party. I was young, but I'm just saying, it was cold up there for me. It's cold. Damn, it's cold up there. It was so we could get cold. Y'all be in my snow. Y'all be in Dallas, do y'all? No. We had terrible snowstorm like two times. And it was like all the buildings got shut down. Pipes got busted. We just didn't know how to handle the last one that came along. Yeah. But the kids loved it because they've never seen that much snow in their life. I love snow. Yeah. I love it. I just had a cold. I don't like the snow like that. Y'all tripping, man. I take this heat for that snow. You like the snow better than the heat. I hate being hot. Man, hell no. That's no cold, bro. When you get out there and it's cold, when I went up to Chicago, that ice was that thick one time. I was like, hell no. But you're never the only enjoyment of being 12 years old building a snowman. Snowman. And tackling them. Boom. You can't snowman, tackle a snowman, but that's fun. That's different. After you spend all that time building it, you're going to knock it down. We used to build football teams in snowmen and tackle them. Uh-uh. I'm talking about knock their hands off. Man. I mean, we didn't put the cares in the, in the, in the, in all that. We build them up three. Just enough. Just knock them down. That's boys. I'm glad I got you in there. I want to ask you about this Kansas City, Missouri, Kansas City. What is the difference and why y'all be tripping like it's so, so big of a deal? I hate that. It's because it's like. Everybody from Kansas and Kansas City, Missouri. It's the area. It's right across the bridge. Oh yeah? You got Kansas City, Kansas, Kansas City, Missouri. It ain't no real beef, though. It's not a real beef. It's just who, where's from? It's just fun. It's just fun. It's like, y'all, are you from Missouri? Are you from Kansas? Y'all tripping. You know, Technon is technically from Missouri. Missouri. I'm from Kansas. So they be like, who the biggest rapper from Kansas? I'm like me. Of course. Yeah. It's Technon from Kansas City, Missouri. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I had Luston Hustle. I had a few of those guys on here from Kansas City, Missouri. You know, B-Court from there. Mountain B best friend. You from Kansas City, Missouri? Yeah. And they got a lot of rappers. And they said, we can't wrap the Chiefs because they're in the Missouri side. That's what they say. We can't wrap the Royals because they're in the camp. Well, we got a soccer team in Kansas. Hey, look, she's smiling like hell, boy. That's the football team we caught. We caught a score now. That ain't no damn real football. You can't see. Yeah. That's good. So, man, you know, when you think about your music, oh, she's looking at me like, I got a question. I'm going to stop right there. No, I want to go back because I want to know, because you didn't mention, so when did you find out you could sing? Yeah. When did you start singing? I was four years old. My mama can blow. I used to watch my mama sing Mary J Bloss. She was in a band. My mama used to tour like I do. Really? She was in a full band called the Office Band. Okay. I used to watch her sing. I remember a line came out. Well, I seen that cool Matata. I just sang this shit out there. I used to sing, get some money and run to the candy lady over. Go get, like, she like the freeze pop things. She'll put the Kool-Aid in the cup, freeze it, and you push them out like that. Turn them side down and suck the bottom of it. Suck it dry. Oh, that shit crazy. I used to be like, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, Wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, Wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, Wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, I used to sing like that. Give me them dollars, I'm running over her. Man. That's dope. But when did you start taking it seriously? Probably like after high school. Oh, yeah? Look, I was scared to, like, come out and distinguish at first, I would just write, write, write every day. getting bread, but I used to write every day, right? And then that's why it's easy now, I can go to studio. They be like, you don't need nothing, just put me in the booth, play music. Cause I'm writing my head now. But you have to hear the beat first. Yeah, cause I'm here to beat. That's why I don't do features. I hate when they send me the beat and they want me to listen to it. I hear them listen to it real quick in the hall, bro. Because in my mind, you gotta play it right when you want me to do it. Yeah. Oh, okay, gotcha. Cause once I hear it, I'm gonna want to jump on it and I'm gonna forget. You want that first response from me. Yeah. Cause if you get that second, it ain't gonna be what I gave you that first time. I'll be able to get you on that first. I got it. That makes sense. It makes a lot of sense when you know the process. And then you get better at it with time because this guy, you season now. Oh, it's up now. Oh, your nigga's in trouble now. It's over with. Oh, don't play. When you come in there now, your nigga better know they got that. And you're trying to take them out. It's up. Whoever it is going in that with you. Whoever it's over with. You better go in that thing. That's why they don't want to jump on songs with me. They scared. And since songs and people that scared don't want to jump on songs with me. What? That ain't the same. How did you, how did you and Deriz the show and meet and link up? This ain't scared. I know it, but I just brought him up because I interviewed him. And I think I brought you up during that interview. So it's like, how did y'all even meet? I wrote a one line a lot. I'll, I'll badger you. I'll write you a thousand times. Like when I just, when I just seen more Ray in LA, I said, why are you running from me? You already been hitting him up. I've been hitting him up. And then he, he walked in the party. I was like, oh, perfect change. I've seen it. You can ask anybody I walked in and say, why you been running from me? You don't care. And no matter who the person is, you still going to walk up to them. Yeah. I wouldn't put him right there. He said, I ain't been running from you, man. You fuck with me. I said, I'll fuck with you. But why are you running? Like, let's get on this record. You had already been DMing him. Yeah. Let's get, you know me, bro. These artists know who I am. You know me. I know you. Why we, why we playing this game? Let's get some money. And what did he say? It ain't like I ain't popping. It ain't like I don't do numbers. What is it? And what did he say? The same thing I told Young Blue before. What did Young Blue say? Oh, we got in that studio, did records. Yeah, okay. You know, I see some of these people. It's an ego trip. I'm not, I don't have an ego. We going to do this. We going to work. We going to work. So has anybody ever reached out to you and be numerous amount of times and you did the same thing to them? Not no artist. Not no artist. We right here. Okay. And ask anybody I do more features than anybody. I did $300,000 with the features last year. What's up? Damn. I'm working with you. Do you think that's bad or good? It's both. It's bad because I'm not as exclusive. Right. But it's good because I'm getting that money. Damn right. I didn't do this to be famous. I did this to take care of my family and get some money. 100. And so. Basically I learned the game from Boosie. But, and I'm going to get to that. But when you met the Reds and Sean, did y'all, y'all done something together? Y'all hadn't done nothing together. No, we never done nothing. I used to write them all the time. He was like, yeah, we can do something. Then I said, you know what? I'm coming to Atlanta. I just went to Atlanta. You the move to Atlanta, right? Yeah, end up moving to Atlanta. We and the Reds got real cool. The Reds, me and him like a brother. Yeah, that's my boy. That's my dog. You know, I really rock with the Reds. He a good dude. Yeah. He's talented. Crazy on the verse. I don't talk about boy can speak. Crazy. Boy, I'm in the studio. I'm like, oh, I gotta come with it. You know what I'm saying? I'm just like, let me drink this drink. Because he be in there gassing. And I'm a hook dude. I'm really good at hooks. And I was like, all right. He made me get better at verse. Yeah. Doing verse, we had in hand with each other. Just like, I make him get better at hooks. You have to have people around you who are gonna challenge you at all times. Yeah. Because it's the only way you get better. Every person I've done work with, like, three made me get better at singing. Yeah, yeah. You're gonna figure out what you got to take from this situation and get yourself better. Yeah. But when you, cause PGF Shout is my, that's my guy right there. He'd want to link me with Derrick. They be working, they good friends too. And I always, when I went down there, man, I told him the other day, I'm gonna bring him down here. I'm gonna bring, I gotta get him back here. I said, man, you ain't been in my place. You gotta come to my place. Yeah. You know, cause I went to Atlanta and did it at their place. I'm like, oh no, I need you in Dallas. Cause Dallas be wanting to see y'all. You know how much love we have for y'all, man. I love Dallas. Man, so what made you love Dallas? Really? What made you love it, though? What made you love it? I've been coming to Dallas for years. That was, and I used to book all y'all artists. Oh, you used to book everybody? Before I started the music, I was a promoter. I told you I started parties that I wanted to close. Right. I used to book Trili Prince Rick. So you came out of it, wow. I used to book party boys. Oh, you? I used to book GS boys. And you met, you met Raine. You met Raine during that time. I didn't know Raine. Really? Cause that's what he used to do all the time. I was so cool, I get cool with the artists. Hmm. See, Cannes City will bring the artists out to Cannes City and we used to do these mean greets. That's how I met Trili Prince Rick. Okay. That's how I met, that's how I met everybody. Then I was real cool DJ Merck. Okay. With Young Nation. They were my boys, the Fooley and B-Ree. I used to be with them all the time. Damn. So I used to come to Dallas all the time. Were you the type of promoter back then who used to just go straight through the artists or did you actually go through them? I'm straight to the artists. You see, that's when Raine came on and he did an interview, he used to do that. But he said that's why a lot of people used to call him janky because he never would go through the management or the promoters or anybody else. And it felt like he was cutting them out. But I was an artist as well. Proof of the audience. So I sing, so it's an artist's connection. Okay. And then it's another artist to an artist. Hey bro, you want to come rock with me, I heard. So it's different. Yeah, but you can't ask any of them, you come through Kansas, you rock with T-Rail. You want Kansas, you want Missouri, you want all those Midwest states. As Raine Water, who the Midwest is, who they go through. First person in Raine Mode 3, Kansas is me. I booked them myself. I want to ask you about, did you meet Boosie here in Dallas? Could he just come to Dallas a lot? I met Boosie in Kansas. You met him in Kansas, you brought him to Kansas. My manager did the time. Your manager did, okay. He booked him for Kansas City and Wichita. That's why we do a book in Kansas City with book in Wichita. If I didn't get through to Boosie in Kansas City, I got him in Wichita. I got two chances to talk to you. Boosie came to Kansas right when he got out of prison. My dog came out right when he got out of prison. Boosie's one of my favorite rappers. I said, I got to get him on this song. I didn't get the song until Nebraska. I got the song in Omaha, Nebraska. My dog, we won 10 bands at the casino. And he gave it to me. That's the dope part. I heard you say that on another interview. And the crazy part is, is Boosie so fired up and wild. That's it, me and him on that picture there. Like he, when he first came on, we met him, he was doing jewel house, his clothing brand. And I'm a clothes dude. I've been doing this a long time, a lot of stores. And I was like, man, I'm gonna mess with this jewel house. But he dealt with this white boy named Mike Wagman. And I didn't like Mike Wagman. We know each other in this clothes thing. I've been had these, I know these people. And I was like, Boosie, man, I'm like, man, I'm gonna rock with you, man. I said, but I'm with a cool, you know, it's like Ralph Audibag with my black brother, we all over there. And he was like, I'm gonna be bigger than this thing. I'm gonna be bigger than the cool. I'm gonna be bigger than that. I said, in my mind, I was like, not with that white boy. Like Mike Wagman is not the one. He used to be good with rockerware. He was good during that. He made a lot of people, a lot of money. But when it came down to these new waves, the new stuff, I just didn't see it. It just, the time changed with the clothes so much. I'm not. Just like everything else, time changed with the music. Yeah, blessed to be in business like this. And it also comes back around. Come back around again. I'm gonna tell you something, you something else with, I ain't gonna go into the fact of them or the way you bring them songs back, man. You a beast, you a dog, man. You good, what? Yeah, I love doing that. Like when you bring them old song back, man, I'll be happy as hell. That's, that's calm. I'd have heard them too, Nick. And parking on my ass about that. They don't, what they don't like you doing it. It's, we be fighting for clearance. You gotta get clearance. We be fighting for clearance. And I'll be so, I'll be so pissed. I'm like, bro, if they didn't hear it, it's four of these records. You see what they doing with this, I deserve. No, I can't wait. I'm gonna have you blow that one on here. I want all of these songs to come back because you know, R&B has changed. I'm an R&B person. I love R&B. But it's like R&B is like almost nonexistent. It's like this new wave of singing has changed, but they're not calling it R&B to call it, you know? So I got a theory with R&B why I'm suffering a little bit. Why? All the old G's of rap are still rapping. Yeah. All the old G's of R&B are trying to fit in with new R&B. Think if Usher just dropped the old style Usher record. Think if Tank dropped the old style Tank record. They're going away from what their original fans. You got millions of fans over here that made you platinum. But you want to go over here to make these records. I agree with that, Kelly. I see where you're coming from. But they're trying to stay relevant. They're trying to get a newer crowd. That's what they're trying to do. I know we don't like this name, but R. Kelly stayed relevant staying in his style. And he would- Who don't like the name? A lot of people don't like it. Well- They don't like what he did, but they can't deny his talent. But I'm staying there. Let's go. Yeah, go keep on going. I'm staying like if Avant came out right now and gave you Avant and didn't give you two chains. Why everything gotta be so fast? The only people that can do slow R&B is women. And they're keeping it genuine the same. But me ain't gotta be singing fast or they ain't gonna get played. No, that's real. That's real. I'm just telling you know. And I'm fighting to up here battle, keeping this stuff. Yeah, because I love it slow. I love it. If a nigga can't relate to that like R&B, they crazy. Nigga, I can fix all that the way I need it to be. You see what I'm saying? There's too many people trying to make something. Something can change and be new and still good. I don't have to have it just like it was to be honest with you. I'm cool with it. What I do is I mix it, the old sound with new lingo and faster talk. That's right. But I still keep my beats slow. Yeah. I still like that. I still like the groove. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And you're young and I love that. Yeah, I love the groove. No, you love the groove. So, you know, so when you and when you, when you gave a boost of the money, basically he's, yeah, he was down with it. Straight up. You know, I'm a hustler. Come on, man. Let's get it. Let's get it. Give me the address. He told everybody follow me. He didn't care what boost is not like. That's why I kind of got his attitude. I learned from being around him so much. He's not like all the celebrities where he's scared, lean back. Let's do it. He went to the basement studio with me and rocked it out. He's like, give me a cigarette. Nobody had no cigarette. One person had one cigarette. I paid $50 for that cigarette. Give this man a cigarette so he can write this verse. He wrote the verse and knocked it out. Boosie's cool. I learned that's why I go in and down there, down to any place to go knock verses out. Let's do what you want to do. Yeah. Boosie have like, he's bougie. No, this nigga right here is slick. Boosie ain't bougie. No, he ain't. Cause he deal with my partner, Sir Charles Jones. See, that Southern soul. I know they deal cause he had that birthday bash with him every time. And he deal with bad news be there too. Bad news is these are Southern soul artists. They not, but they booked every week. They getting the same money. They doing they thing, but it's just a different, you know, different way, different way. But them boys doing they thing. They go to every week I can call. They go to trail rides. They go to trail ride. They go everywhere. They getting they bag. But at the end of the day, it's a different type of music. But it's they doing what you said. They sticking to, they staying true to who they, who they are, who they are. But then a lot of R&B, I've heard some R&B singers who say they're actually trying to cross over into that. Southern soul. Southern soul is what they call it now because they're trying to stay relevant because they're going to all the trail rides. And that's what's, it's all over the South. Trail rides. Yeah, I'm getting booked pretty good now. You see, have you done trail rides? I think we just did one in Mississippi. Y'all did one? What do you think about it? It was me and like, it was some older bands. Yeah. Going in. I had a lot of know that they, I killed it though. Did you? Oh, come on. They're going crazy. I can imagine. Mississippi. Man, I like Mississippi. I ain't gonna lie to you. I'm a rider. I love Mississippi. Yeah, Mississippi. Mississippi first state they ever like take me in. I did 16 cities. Wow. I love Mississippi. They book you. They love you. They love you. So when you get, when you get like super, super big because I know you're going to get super, super big. Okay. You're going all the way. You're going all the way. So you're talking to Michael Jackson type nigga. Yeah. Oh dang. Oh, I appreciate that. You're going to be on Michael Jackson type nigga. You got some work. Because of who you are and how humble you are and your ethics, that's the reason why I see you going, you know, where you need to go because you're not letting a lot of stuff get to your head. But when you get up there, are you going to still always charge for features? Oh, no, I'm going to start reaching now. Yeah. Once you get so much, what it, I'm going to start reaching now. And the reason why I asked that question because I was reading an article with Jay-Z, he was talking to Kevin Hart. And he said he's never, ever charged for a feature, ever. But he's very selective of who he does the features with. Yeah, he doesn't do many, but what that does is make you more exclusive. Damn right. It makes you more exclusive like they can't hear your voice as much. So people, it's, the game is about being discovered. So a person that doesn't do a lot of features, you want more of it. Yeah. So Jay-Z come out with a song right now and he probably ain't dropped in a year or two. He's going to go crazy. He's going to go crazy because you ain't heard him in so long. But he said the reason why he does that is because he looks at how he can network with the person. He's not really looking at monetarily. He looking at, because networking is what gets you. Yeah, the relationship. Building relationship. That's really what he's looking at more than anything else. In the new ages, I mean, people in that bag. Jay-Z's getting a different type of money. Jay-Z's not just making music. He ain't by itself either. That's the same thing Andre 3000 do. He the same way. He ain't going to just jump on no anybody. Andre 3000 was an actor. He's part of a legendary group called Outkast. That made great money and still streams very well. Very well. You can't ask somebody, ask Jay-Z what he was doing. What, well, he's still us. Wait, when he's just first coming up. Yeah. No, he had to. What made me do a lot of features? I heard Boosie say he made 800,000 in the year. I said, well, I like that. Man, like I said, nothing I'd rather do than make 800,000 a year. It's a mind set. It's a mind set. You gotta listen to that. Whatever you feel is for your brand is what you have to do. Yeah, but me, I've always been for the people. Yeah. I'm for helping. Because I'm always preaching that they don't want to do songs with me. Yeah. They don't want to help me out. They don't want to pull me in. So I'm going to pull people in. I was told by Boosie's security guard, I said, you got to be let in this game. Somebody got to let you in. I'm letting everybody come on in. There's money. You might get a million fans that I can't get. But check this out. ASCAP and BMI is real, right? If I did 100 features this year and they all attached to ASCAP and BMI and they all put $300, $400 into my ASCAP and BMI from these royalties. How much money am I really making in a year? Four checks a year compared to a thing who ain't doing it. Exactly. So you can laugh all you want about these features. I'm getting paid for the feature. I'm also getting ASCAP and BMI. Of more people, that quantity adds up once you do a lot of them. You're creating generational wealth as well. Will you ever bring anybody, like do you have anybody that's coming up under you that you're trying to help to understand the business? I'm working on a few artists. They ain't boot camp. Yeah, no, no, you gotta keep them there. Before I even, before I even put a name out there. Name out there makes sense. You gotta pass the test with me first, you know? Because I haven't pushed the artist yet. And I got the power to push the artist. And will you sign them to you? Yeah, you know, I'm with Empires, so they can... Just put them out. I'll put them out through Empires with me and then we'll push them out. When you were the label, can you also create a label for yourself? Right now I'm with Empires, I have winners only. Winners only is my label. And I can sign to winners only through Empires, I'll get national distribution. I can get them revances and stuff like that and stuff like that. But I'm not just gonna do it for anybody, I wanna see you work. You gotta be hungry. You heard crazy stories about artists on the empire, that Mode 3s and the Dolphs and all that stuff and the tragic things that happened. How much do you ever think about the things that go on around these artists? I just feel like it's the artists. The label can't control the art. I'm with Empires six years. They don't tell me what to do. They don't tell me to say something. They just distribute my music. All these other artists that came out, that Mode 3s and the young Dolphs, they don't control them. That's their life situations that they go through. Empires are a good company. Gazi and Ema are great people. I feel like whenever I need them, they do what I need them to do. But they're not controlling my life. They're not telling me, hey, go beef with Boss Talk radio. You have life choices in life. I believe that. No, I agree. The Bible states you got life choices. You got choices. What you choose to do is your choice. You gotta own up to your choices in life. That's what you reap what you sow. You make the bed laying in it. You ever heard all those terms like that? I've heard them, man. So I ain't letting them go. What I'm telling is grandma will raise them. See, young folks don't talk like that. They need to be talking like that, but that's a grandma statement. All them catch-isms that you keep throwing out there, they're my old folks' statements, you know what I'm saying? Grandma out of my ass, you know what I'm saying? Oh, you decided to do that. Now take this ass one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they don't play. Grandma will whip you. For every action, there is a reaction. Grandma will whip you just for getting some sugar out the top of that shit when she tells you don't go up there and get it. I told her I don't do that. Why you go up there? I told you. She said, just go back there and think about it. She gonna whip you too. She gonna wait a little bit though. You know what I'm saying? It's gonna make you think about it. My worst was, wait till we get home. I'm like, can you just do it now? Then it's gonna kill me waiting till I get home. That fear, that fear I'm telling you. We'll be in front of your friends, so it ain't that bad. That's right, that's right. We knew right. Man. We'll be in front of your friends, so it ain't that bad. So you got something else you wanna ask? I'm gonna let you go. I'm gonna put that song on it before you get, because I gotta get money modes over here. Yes. Okay, so I wanna go back to your son a bit. So, because I know there's so many people out here who are dealing with their children going through chemo, cancer and stuff like that. Yeah, man, that's him. And I wanted to know, how long was he going through that before he went into remission? I'd say about three years. Four years? Four years. During that time, what was your most detrimental time or hardening time that you had to deal with and how did you overcome that? Probably the first year, because my son also has Down syndrome. So he's born with a disability. And I've always thought, why him? I beat myself up a lot. I'm one of them, I'm like, why him? Why, why my son got Down syndrome? Cancer. But I already, it's okay to question God. Yeah. I can ask him why. But my son also made me stronger because his smile, the Down syndrome. I don't know what it is my kids with Down syndrome. They're beautiful people. They are. They're strong individuals. My son is stronger than I've ever been in my life. He takes every downfall with a smile. Always smiling. So if he's smiling, I got to smile. I can't show him, I have no point. Right. You know, but that was a very tough time for me. Anything that happens to him, I get upset. Like, why, why? Why? It's tough. So when you heard of him getting cancer, that made it even worse. Yeah, it made it worse. So I'm sitting there like, I got to hustle. But for that first year, you had to take your mind off of the situation to be able to overcome it. Or how did you? It just felt like the first time they told me that my son got Down syndrome. It hurt. When did you know it was when he was born? You know, when you're pregnant, they do a test. They pre-test you. They told us that he didn't have it. The day after he was born, the doctor comes in and takes him. And they like, oh, he has Down syndrome. Oh. You gonna be in your first child, young, your first boy. You know, I got big plans for my son. He gonna be an NBA player. Yeah, yeah. Oh, he's gonna be the next Kobe Bryant. You know, and then, yeah, Down syndrome. Now you got to study it and figure out what this is and how you deal with it and how you make your life better. Because people don't never know anything about it until it affects you directly. Then the first thing they do is bring you a paper for disability check. I don't care about the money. You know, my son, he's got to talk about it. He's got my son got Down syndrome. Well, you get money now every, that's not no plus for my son. Money is not a plus. They shouldn't be saying that. Forget me. Right. Well, you, it's not plus for my son getting Down syndrome. But Jordan's the biggest thing that ever happened in my life. I love my son, Jordan. I got him his own TV show. Shout out to Jordan, man. Shout out to TV show called Best Buddies. It airs September 21st. Awesome. I got 12% of a TV network now. It's called SM1 TV. Is that where it's coming out? Yeah, every TV, it's on Roku. Every TV producer told me no because I don't have enough drama in my TV show. I said, you know what? You're going to regret that. And now I own 12% of a TV network called SM1 TV. That's going to be on Roku. And my son's TV show is going to air September 21st. He going to get four checks a year because his daddy putting that work in and I grind it for him. And you open in doors for other kids. Yes. Because kids with disabilities are beautiful. I just spent the last two weeks with my manager's son. Shout out Corday. He has autism and he's a beautiful kid. Yeah. I have a big heart for kids, period. That's why I do a lot of give-backs to kids. I get 500 shoes here. I do feed the community, big barbecues. That's why the city of Topeka gave me my own day, my own proclamation. That's dope. I'm so awesome. You know what I'm saying? What day is that? May 22nd is T-Rail Day in Topeka, Kansas. May 22nd, remember that. So we got to come down there. Come on. We got to come pull up. Yeah, definitely. So you do a big festivals? Every year, this year I gave away 500 shoes. I fed 3,000 people out of my old pocket. I don't ask for no sponsorships. I don't ask for nobody to help me. You don't have people that's automatically trying to reach out to say, how can they help? Some people ask, but they don't know. They just want to act volunteer. But this is how I'm on pocket. I do it. I want the kids to be, this is the best experience I've ever had. Because when I first found out about Down syndrome, I started looking into it and I'm like, there are a lot of talented kids with Down syndrome, piano players. I mean, it's just that they had to figure out how to focus on that certain thing. There's usually certain things that they can do, but they can excel. They're way better at it than anybody else because of how they process. Focus in on it, yeah. If you ever looked at a child, a just regular child, and they're like living carefree, picture living carefree for the whole life. Picture living carefree. My son is about to be 13 and he don't have a care in the world. And it's gonna be that way when he's 30. Yeah, yeah. Because that mindset you have is so youthful. Yeah, yeah. It's definitely youthful. It's so youthful. I love it. But one more thing I was gonna say, but I realize when you say you question God and stuff like that, and this is something I learned as I got older because I learned so much as you get older, is that everything, no matter what it is, happens for a reason. And it's not always for the person that is going through it. It's for the people around them. So just like how you said, it's because of him why you're stronger. It's because of him why you are the way how you are. So if that didn't happen, you probably wouldn't be the person that you are today. Maybe I needed those battles. You see what I mean? So when people go through things, it's always for somebody around. You might not know who it is for. And just like a TV show that you said, you know, created where now the world can see him. He'll help other kids too, know they can do it. He'll help so many more other people. That's right. You know what I mean? He'll help other kids too, know they can do it. A father raising a child with disabilities. Yeah. Showing the ups and downs. Exactly. Just gonna help someone. And a lot of parents are into that show. I told them a lot of parents will be into this show. People are gonna see that. And you're gonna help. You're gonna have so many people reaching out to you and telling you, thank you. You know, sometimes, I ain't gonna lie to y'all. Sometimes I feel people feel T-Rail more than they feel my music. No, no, real. That's real. I just told you that when we started. I'm more of a personality than an artist sometimes. No. That's why you gotta do this. Because the joy that you show and display on your character, on your artistry is there. And it's dope. Don't get me twisted, but you're a good dude. I knew that. That's what drew me to T-Rail. People gotta fall in love with you before they fall in love with your work. Yeah. That's really what I'm talking about. People love my music. I'm saying people love my music. It was going on. I just feel, there's people that, I see, I read comments. They're like, well, I need to know one of your songs. That's right. But I love you. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Can you respond to all of your... I try to. It's hard because I got a lot of followers. Yeah, right. But I try. That's good. My bus driver, he tell you I take pictures of everybody. That's awesome. Yeah, no, I got to get into this tank thing that I seen when y'all got to sing in it. Yeah, I want to hear that song. It was you singing. Tank didn't want no smoke with me. Man, I seen it. Tank, I met him. We remember he was at Dre's. Yeah, we were at Dre's. I was singing there. We was in VIP together. He real cool. He came to us beside me. Yeah, watch out now. All he knew was going to have to back up now. Here we go. Man, he ain't like that. You know, my other sister was sitting beside him acting like she didn't know who he was. It was a larynx. That was funny to me. She tried to play him like, I don't know you, nigga. But she really liked it in the nigga. But I was laughing. She's like, I said, what you doing? I don't know who this is. I'm like, if you don't get your butt up, a nigga don't want you. You know how many women I need? I think he's about to get married during that time. Take cool. Cool as hell. So we'll have our beef with him. You beef with him? I said, I made a video one day. I sang LL3 at this vlog in New York. And it was where they really test your vocals. And then I posted it up like, hey, none of you R&B niggas out sing me. Y'all may have more songs than me, but y'all can't out sing me. Then he got on there. He said, hold on, brother. I don't retire till next year. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. And I was like, you can get the smoke too. Like, you don't want this. Then he was like, so when I went to his house like a couple of weeks ago, he was like, when you said that, he was like, I like him. I like him. You know what I'm saying? So I got to go in at him. So basically it just turned into, me and him doing a record together. And then now me and him about to do a joint deal together. We're gonna do an R&B label together. That's dope. See, I got open doors, man. I love it, man. See, and brothers get together like that. They lying. They say we can't get together and make something. They crazy. We do this. It's very rare to find a tank. A person that'll let you redo his biggest, one of his biggest, and co-sign it, push it, shoot videos with you. I got another song about to come out a video and everything, stay, he stayed an extra day in Atlanta to help me do the video and everything. He's cool. Did you choose that song? I deserve it. Yeah. Did you choose? Yeah, I was drunk in Atlanta one of them drunk nights. That's why I love Atlanta. Cause I get some, the vibe. I'll go to the clubs. He all the women. I'm like, oh. Then I go to the studio. Yeah, they got the strip club going. They just started doing it. Yeah, they got the strip club going. It's just so easy to get a vibe in the A. Yeah. So that's why, that's another reason I bought a condo in Atlanta. I was like, I gotta live here. Creative juices keep flowing there. Yeah, make you feel it. I noticed like when I'm in Kansas, I'll make depressed music. When I'm in Atlanta, I'm up. It's just totally different balance of my personality. So it depends on the type of year and what you want to write is where you need to go. Yeah. And also Kansas helps me think because it's so boring at times. And Atlanta is just more like really fast pace. Yeah. It's something to do every day. Let me get this song. You want to play a song? Yeah, I want to hear this song. I got the answer real quick. A little bit of it. I'll do a little bit for y'all. We'll turn that down. Turn it down a little bit. Right there. Keep ready, yo, man. Big round, look. There you go. Hey, don't be here, man. You came up with all the words for that song. That old boy, say, man, man, you flipped that I don't take. Yeah. Yeah, you went a different way with it. Yeah, he was somehow, he designed to get cheated on. Yeah, you flipped that. That's where it should have been done before. You tell that nigga I say that when you talk to him, too. He said you should, he revamped your song in the right way. That's what he was thinking. Yeah. Because that's exactly where I was at with it, even back then. What about the fellas that do everything that they... Nah, man, nah, man, you did it right, man. Because when he first let me hear the song, first thing I started doing was cracking up laughing. So first thing that I did, I was like, oh my God. I'm like, okay, I hear it now. I'm getting messages from women like, hey, you about to get buddy hurt. He in the first scene, in the first scene, and it's all a little too hard. Aw, man, that'll go hard, man. I knew it was a hit when I heard you do it, just a little bit. I was like, aw, that's it right there. That's what I've been thinking. This is what's supposed to go down when you're doing everything right, you know what I'm saying? When you're doing your job, I didn't make this for the bum, dude. I made this for dudes doing that job. Man, that's me. I'm standing there like this in line, waiting to go with my turn. Yeah, I'm gonna act like that. This ain't for it. What did Tank say when he first first heard the words that you put to the song? That was the reaction? That was the reaction. That was his first time hearing it. Wow. That was how it messed his head. You know what he said? I'm clearing that. He got to clear that thing. Man, get my emotions over so we can get this question. He's a big Mo3 fan, so he got to come talk to you. That's the mother of the co-host. He's a Mo3 fanatic. Okay. He say, you know, we argue about it a lot of times. Yeah. Yeah, because before Mo3 passed away, it was a lot of people wouldn't like you. Yeah. Was he over there? Yeah. He was crazy. See, he wasn't like you. See, I didn't see him with him like that. Here he come. I can hear him talking in the background. So, man, now, but I just love your energy, man. I love the fact that how hard you go for the music, man. How you stand consistent. Yeah. How you just keep pushing. I know you say you're son and everything, but God got a gift in you, man. Your gift will make room for you as well. Thank you, man. So I already know that. I ain't tripping on you, man. And this ain't, this is the first of many. So I already know. I'm gonna come find you. I didn't think I'd just show up like this. See, I'll be like Boosie and Vlad, huh? No, that's what I be looking for. Because I know already them they's got a hell of a relationship. You know, Vlad and his four, three months. They gotta have some kind of agreement. I know they loving each other in the movement. They saying, we're gonna make sure everybody. That's history, man. Yeah, that's me. That's history. And I'm here like that too, though. I mean, I'm, this thing, the blue just blowing up every day. I'm down tomorrow with you, eight mom. I'm come find you. Come on. That's what I did when I went down the red. I go, I go, go find somebody. So let's, let's talk about it, man. So I know you got plenty of questions. We waited for the more three questions with you. Like, like, like you said that you cried off of T-Rail song. Yeah, that's, that's, that's what tripped me out about this. I said, T-Rail company said I cried off there. Cause you gotta remember my partner Blackhead died. Man, we were just together the night before he died. Yeah. And so I got that phone call like at six o'clock in the morning. And then I was like, damn. Then he made this song. Like bro, just put me back in that same mode. Like, damn. Like you just don't know what to do at times. Like, bro, when I heard the song, I ain't listen no more to your song, bro. I ain't listen no more. No, cause I felt it too much. I felt it too much. I'm like, bro, I can't listen no more, bro. See how you can touch me with music, man? Every time I listen, I get that same feeling. Like every single time. So it was hard on you when I told you you had to research T-Rail today? No, I had to. I ain't listen to that song, though. I put that song like the way it was I already knew. I already listened to it. He'll be a bit crying like, hey, yo. You don't cry. You just drop T-Rail song like, bro. If you're thinking that mode like you got a South Side. Yeah. So when you made that song, I was, I heard you say your brother had he just passed when you did that first. My dog? Yeah. Yeah, my brother ate ball. We flipped five times in the car. He flew off the windshield. I was in the backseat. And that's what true me, because God, he spared your life. But then your brother, did he have any kids? No, he was 29, about to be 30 that next month. Probably like two weeks before his birthday. Wow. And that night, y'all were traveling because of music? Yeah, actually I had a show here in Dallas and then I went to church that next morning with DJ Merck. And then I left here and we got in the wreck in Oklahoma City. Okay, okay. I know exactly where you at on 35. Yeah, it headed towards Kansas. Yeah, wow, man. That had to be tough, man. And that was your, y'all at the same mom? No, just, just, it's my dog. Just, just, he was my brother and Merck. Yeah, yeah. I get it, man. It's Chris. That was the most I've ever been on the highway. Yeah. Like it ain't get shy. They get shy, they die like on accidents. Yeah. That's what makes you feel the more. Yeah, DRS was on here. And when he was on here, the guy was saying, my homies, you know, gangstaling. So the relationship that you and Mode 3 built, we'll go to that, you know, how was it just, cause I never got to meet him. But everybody been on this show talking about it cause I came out right, you know, kind of after that, you know, and I couldn't do this show without bringing his name, of his legacy, the way he left this whole situation musically. Him and C-Strux, R-P to C-Strux too, just certain ones, I gave them, different people. I've been trying to get a, I want to interview Mode 3 mom bad cause I just want to just show her love, you know? But I know already how people be trying to come at people like that and I don't want to be that guy, even if I could just do it behind the scenes, you know? But it's just, it's something about these people who paved the way for a lot of us to be even doing this. You know what I mean? The legacies that they left, the way that they paved, you know, the work that they done. It's more, but I'm just saying, he one of those guys, man. His subjects, people talk about him all the time and, you know, his family, man, his kids, do you even, do you know his kids or anything like that? No, me and Mode 3 were friends musically. Okay, musically. And I used to tour with them a lot. I used to call them every other day and just talk shit. We used to clown each other all the time. So somebody I grew close with being on the road a lot. And I never really came to Dallas and really hang out with them in Dallas. It was more of a, on the road, hanging out all the time, being in the studio as he was with Bootsie a lot. I was with Bootsie a lot and somebody I really connected with. And I really respond to real. He got a big heart too. He do. When I was, remember I was talking about my son and I was, I didn't know about music and I kind of messed my buds up. Mode 3 let me go on tour on him. Do song, he'll bring me out. He landed a hand. I think he was turning a favor for what the road did because remember the road he was hanging with? Yeah. He was, come on. T-Ray bringing white ass out here and singing this song. Bring your fat ass out here and singing this song, man. Come on. That's him. Oh, shit. I'm already rocking. And it helped me out. Wow. Helped me out a lot. Doing tours with him like that. And I appreciated it every day. Man, he was doing something like that. He might miss a show. I could send T-Ray out on her. He mentioned my name. He was scared to do songs with me. Matter of fact, I talked to him the day before he passed. Wow. He was going to the studio the day after. He was supposed to go to the studio the next day. He was gonna knock a feature from me. I finally sent him a song that was fast. He was like, bitch, you finally made some fast shit. Let me ask you this. When I think about that, how was it the day when you found out that he, at that 11.55 in the morning, when you found out Mo3 had gotten killed? I was fucked up. I called. Where were you at? I was at home, my living room. You seen it? You couldn't, you didn't see it happening. No, I was. We in Dallas. It's a different type. I'm in Kansas. I'm just chilling in my crib. Then I'm getting a call. First, I got a call from Rob Stovall. Young Stovall produced a lot of his records. Yeah. Then he was like, I was having Mo3. I was like, what you mean? I was having Mo3 yesterday. I looked on and off of my phone. Oh, shit. So I thought, I don't believe shit till I see it. He always playing too. Yeah, cause he did that shit before and he was playing for a video. I don't believe shit. So then I hit rain up. He was answering the phone. And he finally gave me, I'm like, damn this shit crazy as fuck. Broke down crying. Wow. That's my partner. My homeboy. You know what I'm saying? That's a body's dad. That's, he's a good to me. Yeah, y'all let's do his music, but you got to meet him in person. Yeah. He's funny. He different. He, he kick it with you. He open, he real. He real humble too. So did you, were you able to come up to when the funeral and all that? No. Okay. But you just knew what had happened. Okay. Exactly what happened. Cause you was just trying to figure out, okay, where was the placement and all this. So you just don't know. Don't know. Cause it was, it was during that time it was an intense time. I remember it bro. Super intense. In the Dallas area. So that's, that's, that's why I asked you. I just have to know how a person felt, what he mindset was at, you know. My mother knows that I'm two with more three a lot. And she was, she was saying things like, don't go, don't go to, don't go to Texas. Don't go to Texas. That's like, that's like, I knew that was the moment. That's the thing she would say to me is, you know, I'm like, don't go, don't say like, man, this is crazy. When you think about just the, are y'all considered the south? Kansas Midwest. Midwest. So when you look at the music, how do you feel like the music is now? For it's just on a whole. Do you feel like it's, it's, the music is growing and, and. In the Midwest? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we got places like Chicago, Detroit. I was just up there. Detroit bumping. Detroit's on fire. That's Midwest. But Kansas is, I'm coming with it. I'm trying to start a, get artists out of Kansas and Missouri and Illinois. It's, it's more just, not just Chicago and Detroit, it's other places like Nebraska's. They don't get a shot. No, I ain't never heard. Is there any rappers from? I've never heard one from Nebraska. I've never heard one. There's one that's, we signed a technology in King ISO. King ISO, he pretty, he pretty good. He's pretty popping out of Nebraska. Yeah. Tek-9 really different. He got like a coke following, man. Yeah. Tek-9 could travel by himself. Man, them niggas came over here looking for stuff one time. I couldn't believe it. They, they come over here looking for stuff. I was like, it was something I had that he had dealings with. Cause I got to speak to me and him a little years ago. Yeah. I'm like, these niggas just come and then the niggas start coming back, bringing little things that he had from Tek-9 then. I'm like, how the hell he get it? And then it was exclusive stuff. I'm being real. I like made the Forbes list off of Merch. So that's what it was. He was like, man, this is what everybody doing. I was like, how the hell he doing? I can't find this stuff. He was wanting me to find this Tek-9 stuff. Yeah. And I couldn't do it. I don't know where it's at. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. He's big on Merch. So how are you doing on Merch? Actually, I'm about to buy two more machines. I'm going to start running my own merchandise. Okay. I got the machine that sells for you. And then I got the- Yeah, embroidery machine. Yeah. I went to LA and I checked out this guy's factory. I'm like, I can get a couple of these machines. I can do this myself. I make good money. I'm a see it and can do type person. I'm a Nick Cannon. You know what I mean? Drumline. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard I can do. I see I can do. Yeah, Bob. Just play it when you see it. Yeah. Let me ask you this, man. Rod Wave, man. Because he is the one that everybody, when I be listening, they be like, man, Rod Wave go hard. Rod Wave go hard. I look at you, Rod Wave, Ray, and Dorez. The pain in the music and just going to that place and singing these songs, man. Am I missing somebody? Mode three. Mode three, yeah, but he passed away. But yeah, mode three. Who had this style first? Which, the pain style? Yeah, that singing pain style. Me, I came out first. You had it first. Times don't lie. My dog came out 2014. Yeah, he did have first. He did. And I was first one to a boozey. I to a boozey for Mode 3D. I think it was Dorez. Then, then. Mode three came out three after me. Then Dorez. But I'm saying, though, and you did some Dorez old songs like that, too. But then we wanted this came out newer songs. You hear more. That's why I know Dorez, then Mode three. Because Mode three had just started rapping. He ain't been rapping that long. He ain't been rapping that long in the past. How long was he rapping? Like six years. That's a long deal. I don't know what I ain't been like when you first started. How long you were rapping around that time when Mode three? Okay, so that. I'm two years old, three. Right a year and a half, two. Wow. So what do you plan to take this to, man? If you were going to take it to the next level, how would you take it to the next level? The reason, I probably don't get my full credit is because like I told you, I wasn't making all those songs because of my child. Yeah. I would have gave you way more pain records. I probably had a, I probably made more pain records like that. But yeah. Well, I did. I did another one called I Got to a Boozey. Came right after that. Okay. Then pay with Kevin Gates. I was really, you tell us, did he do pain records? I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I ain't saying. I had a song Money Bag Yo before he even got super cracking. Are you serious? I work for everybody, bro. I've been really out here. I just ain't get this super attention. I'm not from Dallas where I got multiple people. I'm from Kansas. Yeah. My demographic is mostly white. Yeah. You know? So, I think Technine makes the music he makes. Yeah, he did. And Prosper's so good. He's from that area. I don't have an urban fan base in Topeka, Kansas to promote to. So the reason I took me so long is I have to travel so much. I'm traveling right now every day. I can't make it from there. Yeah. I can't go to the mall and get it cracking or do it. I can't go. They won't let me go to the high schools and perform. But how is that Atlanta embracing you? Because how long have you been down there now? About three months. Atlanta's embracing me like crazy. I love Atlanta. That's a part of the process and to get everybody to start seeing it more, marketing it better and I get it. Yeah. What's the best thing that happened to you in Atlanta? The best thing that happened to me in Atlanta, probably all the interviews I was doing, the networking, the network is key. You see somebody everywhere you go. In Atlanta, it's Black Hollywood for real. Yeah, I know. I'll be down there. I definitely know it. One day I'm with Drummer Boy, the next day I'm with Dorez, the next day I'm with Dro, the next day I'm with Tucey. You know what I'm saying? Like whoever I'm with, you might meet somebody. You can, it's Atlanta. It's Atlanta. Man, who would you like to work with before I get you off here? Who would you like to work with? I want to work with the female artist. I'm trying to work with like her. I want to work with Kay Lani. I want to work with, I want to work with like those women, like you know the women artists that's cracking. And if you want to go male-wise, tie a dollar sign. Okay. P&B Rock. I'm trying to get that style of that R&B. Yeah, they don't want to bring it and flip it. Could you ever do something with reggae artists? Oh, yeah. Like who would you choose? See, I'm an empire. They got a lot of African artists that they did something. They always say Fire Boy. He just went gold. Hard. They got, they even empire. So it's easier to work with people with the label. Yeah. I mean, I work with, I like, I don't work with all the rappers. I don't work with a lot of rappers. Let's cook, you know what I'm saying? Like, I've worked, like I said, I work with Money Bag. I don't work with, I got a song with Dolph 2. Yeah. I got a song with anybody probably think I pretty much know. Yeah, I really didn't know him on Cross Pass who had been in the studio. I'm ready to really tap into R&B. Like I really love R&B. You want to make it to where it's that new, fresh style. Yeah. You're already doing, to me, like I said, they don't call it that, but that way that y'all make that sound happen. It's so close to and similar. I can deal with that. I'm working with the, I want to work, I'm going to work with Vito, you know, Eric Billinger. I'll do Charlie Wilson. But you flipped, you flipped that, that, that, you flipped the genuine. Yeah. You flipped the, you flipped the tank. You, you flipped a Q sweat, you know, you over there in there. Man, if you had my phone, you'd go crazy right now. I got, I got so many flips in this song. Phone is nuts. They won't let, I flipped them. I flipped them already on. I flipped. You got Arkely. I got an Arkely flip on her. Oh, damn. I flipped, I felt it on your booty. And you think if it come out, what do you think people would say about that? Uh-uh. That don't want to be jamming, though. They don't have to sell. And then Arkely is T-Rail, it's just beat. I know it, but they're going to be like, damn. But you can't support it, but look, I don't support none of Kale's, the, that's his, his lifestyle is his lifestyle. Kobe Bryant was my favorite basketball player, basketball player. I didn't say he was my favorite person in a relationship. There it is. I get where you going with that. Arkely was my favorite singer. I didn't say he was my favorite person of who he chooses sexually. I like his music. I like the way Kobe shoots the three. Damn right. You know what I'm saying? That's the total difference. When you like a person's, what they do and what, you're separated. Sometimes, when you get in a relationship with a girl, you tell her, you gotta learn her. You're a rapper, you gotta learn the difference between being my artistry and being who I am as a person. Girl, why can't we learn the difference between a person and what their job is? Now that's real. Why? I tell, I know, I dated to our girl all the time. You gotta learn the difference between T-Rell and Tarell. No, I get it, man. T-Rell and then Tarell, you do, yeah, this is. At the end of the day, she don't. Yeah, but sometimes T-Rell comes home instead of Tarell. T-Rell does come home sometimes. When you talking, I gotta pull that thing like that so she can talk about it. Sometimes y'all learn how to turn that switch on and off too. I'm human. So just let me know, hey, I need you to leave T-Rell outside. So what's your top three artists of all time did or live? I asked that. Any genre. Any genre? Any genre. It could be rap, it could be whatever. How many people? Three. It's gonna be crazy. How am I supposed to say that? He gonna kill it. Number one. He said it's gonna be crazy, he said it's gonna be crazy. Somebody wouldn't hear you watch. Nah, it's gonna be Michael Jackson. Number one. No. Let's go. Number one. Who's my top three of all time? Is it in order? Yeah. Yeah, in order. Number one. That's hard. Number one. Everybody been over there done it. Give me number one. It might change, but today. My number one artist of all time. People, we ain't heard. Probably Kale's. See? Kelly. Or Kale's number one. We ain't got that one before, but that's heavy right now. He's got number one. No, no. We don't have him number one before. I love Drake. Drake, number two. That ain't bad. I love shot Drake. And three probably be, you making this hard, bro. Three artists? Three always be, that's why I do it their way. Number three be like, I gotta let everybody else go for this one person. That's messed up, bro. He's on number three too. Any genre. Any genre? Number three. Hot Kelly, Drake and who else? No, no, bro. I listen to a lot of music. I only listen to Rita that much. Who would it be? Number three, give me one. Man, you making it tough on me, bro. Just one. Just one more. You already got it down here. Probably Boosie. Boosie. Shout out Boosie. That nigga made it, man. That top three, man. I rock with Boosie. I love the way, I love that. Man, Boosie's so, man. But if you listen to my style, I had the number three in there too. Yeah, number three, you can't. Man, he different, bro. He hit the way he had pain. When you seen him in that kitchen like that, man, I seen you in the kitchen on a few episodes. Like Jay-Z and Big, right? You know how Jay-Z, he'll do Big. And he said, I spit a Big verse because I'm big, my brother. Like he said that line, I feel the way he said about like number three. So when you hear me do a song like I Deserve in the Sound. Oh, he sound like number three. Damn right, I love that sound. I love that sound. I love it when he sings. But I'ma let y'all know something real that I did. You ever heard my song Eat, Eat, Eat, Eat, Eat? I called mode three when I made this song. I said, hey, bro, I'm about to steal your swag on this song. What do you say? Laughed. Go ahead, do the shit. Cause you listen, he redid the same beat and listened to his song. His, oh nigga try me. Oh yeah. Stepping it on side, side pain. You know, he'll do the same. Now listen to my song. Somebody freaky is hard to fight. It's the same shit. Same, same cadence. Same shit. My boy gone. I love the sound like a motherfucker. Me too. Yeah. Why are we letting it go? I'm not gonna let it go. I said on my show last night, San Antonio, I said, can't nobody sing three like me? That's dope. That's hard. I sing it every show. That's hard. That's hard. I sing every fucking show. Outside is my song. You do that outside. That's that. Which one better? I'll do you go outside with this. We been in the whole place. Easier. I'm here to vouch myself. I perform that song every city I go to. Nobody's, everybody's singing mode three. So that song come on. Do, do, do, do. Yeah, we're singing mode three. All you wanna hear is. Oh yeah. Yeah. You did that, man. We're like, no, no, seven, nine days. He got it. I was hearing that song for months before it came up. Man. That's all you wanna hear. How did you feel when you first heard this song? When you heard it. What did you think? Off touch. When you sing it with that damn chopper in the kitchen. Come on, man. I'm a huge mode three fan. When he did it, what'd you say, man? See what you say, man? I call right, I call right. Can I get this? What's that song at? You know how you talk? It's coming real. It's coming real. It's coming real. It's coming real. Don't worry, don't worry about that. What was your, you remember when you heard it? When you heard it, what did you, when you heard it, what was you had? You had the career when you heard it in the kitchen, you were just in the kitchen going crazy. Just like I heard, it's been a long time coming. I'll let me in the kitchen. Come on, in the kitchen. You didn't notice in my LL3 video, I put the hat to the side and I was in the kitchen like I was here. I sang it. You know what I'm saying? I put the dupe bandana on with the mode three jacket on that I made. I made that video special for him. Yeah, that mode three jacket was cold to my liking. I'm not only in my friend, I'm a fan. No, real time. Real time, I learned so much doing this podcast. I learned a lot, bro. I learned so much in a year. I never knew a lot of stuff that I know. I know a lot of stuff about a lot of things because a lot of people being sitting in that seat telling me about different stories that went on and mode three got some of the dopest stories on this podcast. I got some stories, I got a few old stories. I bet you do, y'all would throw it off, man. That's why y'all young. Now I'm talking about the youngness and just being young. I'm a whole n***a, so I know it's some crazy stories. That big ass Hummer, you know, big ass Hummer. This is what I think of Johnny, big ass Hummer. Wide-ass, forehead-ass, big-ass, big-ass. He fired two of Balenciaga's on, you know, this shit. That blue hood drop top. Yeah, I don't know, one day I was with him. His car got stolen out of his garage. He was in the studio. This is the only guy I know, car stolen. He's still in the studio. He's still in the studio, like, he read. He said, let me go on there real quick. Oh, hold on, thank me later. He went there and knocked this shit out. He's all right, be back, because he n***a just stole my car. He on that phone, look it. You know, but he did it for me real quick. Damn, just real. Real, that's my dog. He knows you're gonna handle later. Yeah, yeah. I got it right now. Two, I'm releasing more three songs on my phone. When are you gonna let them go, man? They spent so long, dude. They just special to me. I know. I was listening to them myself. And that's dope, man. I just found two. He done them for you. They're my records. I wanna hear them. I got, we redid Juicy by Pretty Ricky. Damn. Together. And then we got one called, I wanna hear him out, Kim. I'll show you to you. Then I got one called, we redid, sick of being lonely every night by my man. Yeah, yeah. And we redid that beat, any other night that beat the car. Y'all having a good time. We killing it. You remember that, that's a memory, man. Dope memory. Yeah, I got it. Oh, he ate the verse. Dope memory. Yeah. Man, I know this, and I hate to let you go, but you gotta get out of here. What's your, how can people get a hold of you? And I know you, everybody know you, they see you, but how do they get your handle on Instagram and all that? Just T-Rail75. Just T-Rail75. All right, man. Any more question? Oh, we good. Seven, thank you so much for coming on both sides. We gonna do this over and over again. This is your home base now. When you, if you tell me I need you over here, I'm gonna come. You gonna be like, damn, we gonna keep you. I'm gonna bring my son Jordan back. Bring him on here. We can interview him. I'm serious. You gonna be promised you're gonna do it? We can do it from his TV show. Let's do it. You gotta tell me when we gonna set it up. We're gonna have a good time. All right. No. I'm serious. He ain't gonna want to fucking choose. He gonna want some. I got you. You have a good time. Whatever you do, you guys, we do. Whatever you doing, we doing, man. T-Rail, thank you for coming on Boss Talk 101. What a boss this talk, man. Let's do it. Thank you man. Check it, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101.