 So we're here at Agile India 2017 with Andrew Cofteele now Andrew We were just talking about how you're not typically a speaker at Agile conferences But Nuresh invited you here. So I guess what brought you to Agile India? Yeah, well Alan Cooper is the namesake of the firm I work for he's known as the father of visual basic And he's invited all the time to speak all around the world So he was actually headed to Mexico this week And when Agile India reached out to him that he recommended that I kind of head to India to represent Cooper and And share a little bit about our work culture, which I oversee for the firm Okay, and work culture is something we talk about a lot in the agile community You also have a background in design which has a lot of relation to you know what we do here So what what have you found? So you've attended some talks now What what stood out to you about? What you've seen in the Agile space here. Yeah, well, I see that there's actually more overlap In terms of trying to deeply understand what the kind of user or customer is looking for So it's kind of piqued my interest to learn more about Agile in general and to figure out how we can work more closely Between the two communities. I've actually met a lot of really interesting designers like Sandy from New Zealand, right? who Who've really kind of made me understand a little more about the possibilities for how to work together. Yeah, and Really if you think about the agile roots, it was all about the customer exactly originally So it that that's that really is a great overlap. What are you excited for coming up? Have you looked at the talks? Yeah, well, I'm really excited. I've been working a lot with my colleague on his talk and he is really passionate about Conversational UI or voice UIs. Oh interesting that being the next frontier in the realm of design So I'm really excited to see first, you know, how the talk Goes and then also how people respond to it right India I think it's something that is interesting particularly because of the kind of cultural implications I think up to this point kind of voice UI has been really focused on American English or British English and kind of represents those cultures But there's a new frontier An opportunity to engage the one billion plus people in India So yeah, absolutely excited to kind of spark that that conversation here. Awesome Something you and I were talking about before related to work culture is the role of kind of introverts and extroverts Where do you fall in that? I suspect I know the answer, but yeah, like I was about to dive in I'm an extreme extrovert on every Myers-Briggs Self-test I'm always like a hundred percent extrovert But the thing is that most of my closest friends and the people I relate to the most are introverts And I actually think that It's quite complimentary for the two Types of people to kind of work together right and and yeah, so I also think introverts Make amazing design researchers because they're great listeners right and they're actually people that are authentic and Easy to relate to so I think it's exciting kind of the work that you're doing to kind of bring light to introversion in the workplace and to kind of add value to it, I think you brought up a really interesting point about the importance of diversity on teams and It it can be challenging to work sometimes with people who are very different from you and have very different needs than you So I guess maybe when your experience what's helped bridge that gap when you've been working with people who have maybe very different tendencies Or personalities, so that's actually like the core of Cooper's approach is we call it pair design And I think it really is borrowed from pair development right and so we have two flavors of designers on every project one is Called a generator, okay, and they're generally the more expansive Visionary big thinking kind of person there the outside of the box thinker and they're paired with a synthesizer and the synthesizer is the more methodical You know more the type of person that wants to make it real kind of figure out what the constraints are Well, you're combining the divergent and convergent thinking exactly and Cooper Allen and Sue our founders really represent those two Archetypes really well, and that's actually how the company was built. So for us. We actually really embrace those two ways of thinking They lead to essentially Constructive conflict right which I think to really allows us to deliver For our clients in a kind of holistic and really thought through way. So I I really enjoy working with synthesizers As a generator and and I feel like it allows for a lot of my Ideas that tend to be quite creative to actually be made real. Yes. Awesome. Well, I think you and I could talk all day But thanks for chatting with me. Thank you and enjoy the rest of the conference likewise