 I guess I think we should just get started because we have quite a few presentations from the session. So my name is Ulav. I'm working here at the Hisp Center in the implementation team. I'll just give a very brief introduction here and then we have quite a few presentations we want to do in the next hour. So we will have Seferino from Saudi Jutus Hisp Mozambique presenting on their collaboration between the university and the Hisp team. We have Dr Palita from Ministry of Health in Sri Lanka who will be presenting on their capacity building approach. We have a virtual presentation from Kenya Ministry of Health, Dayan Kamar, Charles Mugambi who will be presenting a virtual academy that they've set up in Kenya to build capacity among health workers. And then last but not least, Shirajit will talk about some other ways we're supporting the development of core team capacity, the academy program and also the tools and approaches we have for end user training. So there's a lot of stuff we want to cover so I'll just dive straight in. I think when we talk about Hisp approach and the role of capacity strengthening, I think it's sort of embedded and critical part of all the work we do in terms of supporting implementations of the HIS too. I think some of you have maybe seen this rocket we've had for some years talking about how this is all sort of related, the platform development, the capacity strengthening in countries and the action research that we're doing, how it sort of all fits together. So this is a new attempt to try to sort of explain this relationship. The idea is that these components of doing the country implementations of the HIS to building capacity in countries and the platform development, which is sort of guided by activities in countries by the local needs that sort of come up when we're working on implementations as well as academic research, which also informs our implementation approaches and the software development. So this is all sort of three components that are really intimate and if you take away one of them, it's sort of missing a key component of the whole the tries to implementation approach. So I'll just talk a little bit about sort of the academic type of capacity building that we're doing as HIS. So from the beginning, HISP has been an action research project. So action research is about introducing organizational change, solving real world problems, and then generating knowledge from those changes. So it's about researchers being involved in implementations and building knowledge based on that. And that's sort of been a founding principle of HISP from the beginning. It started always been a research project. Concretely, as HISP, we have master programs and a PhD program. So in terms of master programs, we have a quite new thing here at the university, the HISP Center, where we started last year, a new master's program on digital health. So previously, we've been part of the information systems research group more generally, but now that we have a dedicated master program on digital health, but we also have collaborations with universities in South Africa, Mozambique, Malawi, Tanzania, Ethiopia, Sri Lanka with educating master students in information system topics, enabling them to become the people who support implementations in the long run. From the beginning, we also had a PhD program, which has been central to HISP from the beginning, especially in the early years, a lot of the actual implementation work and the development was especially the implementation was actually done by these PhD students and a lot of them. We have an example, many examples sitting in the room now are now leading and working in these groups after coming through these PhD programs. So I think they were even in the last this month, there's been a couple of PhD students that are graduated. So I think there's about 75 students now that have finished and about 2025 were currently part of this program. I think key to both the master's program and the PhD program is that the type of research we're doing is on information systems. I think when we're working on the HISP to me that this kind of information systems thinking is kind of bridging the gap between all the IT specialists, the sort of very technical expertise and the people with the domain knowledge, so the public health experts, the medical experts. So this kind of education is about understanding what does it actually take to implement an information system, maintain it over time and make it sustainable. So being able to sort of bridge all the fancy requirements that you have from the health side and all the advanced technical things you could in principle do, but trying to sort of marry that and come up with approaches that are both providing the kind of systems that is needed for the domain expertise, but that is also sort of technically sustainable and achievable. So with that, I'll leave the word to Zephyrino who will talk about how in Mozambique you're organizing your collaboration between the HISP and the university. Good afternoon. My name is Zephyrino Souchan. I'm leading the HISP in Mozambique or South Digitals. We are supporting the Luzofone community in the implementation of DHS2. We are the country that we are mainly supporting. Most of the team is based in Mozambique, but we do have other colleagues that are based in Venebisau and Santo Me. So we'll be sharing a bit the experience that our experience with regard to the capacity building and mainly focusing on the activity that we do in Mozambique. So as Ula was mentioning, this process of capacity building, it is a combination of efforts from the global to the regional country and organization and individual level. With the global, we are all aligned to all the activities that the university has been promoting, the PhD program, the master programs within the regions. We are part of the big hubs where we do also have some training we participate and also support or facilitate the training programs at the regional level. And then we do also do some activities in the countries. And also within the Ministry of Health, even doing the building the capacity of the staffs that are now our organization, but also those that are supporting the different ministries. And then the focus here is going to be mainly the activity that we are doing with regard to a specific hour we're building the capacity of our staffs, but also those students that we, they cross our path during the implementation of the DHS2 in the different countries. So in order to do that, we set up a program, which we call an internship program. And then we, this formalization of this internship program is based on the MOU that we have with some university and also we are in the process of negotiating that on versus so that the students, they can use they, or they can spend some time with us, not only learning about the information system area, but also supporting the implementation of linking the theoretical part with the practical, practical part. So at the moment we do have a relationship with the University and also this you call the University which is best, these are both in Mozambique, which is based on one of the regions where we are doing some implementations. And apart from that, we do also call some specific requests from the organization ministry that to develop specific program to build the capacity of the staff related to the information system, but more focusing more on the DHS2 implementation. So in order to materialize that we do created a program in Portuguese we call it Apprenda. There is a within that program we allow, for example, students to request to do registration request for specializes internships, both academic or pre-professional. And based also during that processes that is also the link that we do with the universities. So we do have within the one of the South Digitus research and capacity development unit that is dealing with that and which allows, for example, these students to come and then sit at South Digitus and participate in the implementation of those both, I'm sure you remember, Olaf presented here first with regard to related to the development of the software. There's also research and the capacity building. So the students, they are supporting the three because when they come, they do their registration. We have there where they can form where they can apply. When they're applying, they select which area they want to be engaged, whether they are doing development, they will be attached to the software development unit. So they would like to do the implementation. For example, we do have in Zambesa province, five students that are participating in implementation of the education management information system. So those ones are linked to the implementation team and then all be led by the implementation manager that is at our organization. So we have been running this program since 2015 and currently most of our staff that we have at South Digitus, they come through the same program. They go through the process where we try to embed the is philosophy. So during the process of internship, which is the minimum period of time they stay is three months, but they can stay six months or more than that. And then during that process there, we do have this core, core development, core learning, where they understand a bit of the DHS to understand how we are working the philosophy. And then through that, and at the end of the internship, some of them they go back to the universities, because in some where we have formal, this process is linked to the curriculum. But the other is that if they would like to continue to stay with us and then they are employed as part of the staff. So we are 90% of the stuff that we have at the moment, they came through the same program. And yeah, it has been so far successful with at least we because it's very easy to understand. Based on this internship model to for them to know how we are operating and what is the vision that we have and also be able to sustain the process. So in summer, whatever the capacity building is a process is a long journey process. So we need, it's not only about bringing a person to the organization. There's a lot of other things that we need to be. The people need to be engaged. Not only the internship, but also during that internship, there is a couple of academies that are training that they need to participate to understand the field. Some of them they participate on the development to build some of the innovation. They go to the field to understand how things are working. So based on that, they will be learning and then building their capacity and then support the ministries. For example, in Mozambique, the team that I mentioned about the image, the support minister of education. They are students, but we are doing a question to them, but the idea is that they had the hand, maybe they will be supporting within or even working with the minister of education. So that's what I have to share for today. Thank you very much. I don't know. We have time for one question. I think we will save the other questions. If there is one burning question to Zeprino. Please. My question might only be to Zeprino. That's a general observation that I've seen. The issue of pre-service curriculum development. Especially for the earthquake. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Pre-service curriculum development. Especially for the health workers. We know that at the end of the day, there will be managers. And what you have seen in most countries, this aspect of training the health workers to be managers, so that they can use data in managing or in system making is a bit lacking. And even in one presentation here, this aspect is not coming out clearly. I don't know whether it's a deliberate or maybe it's not being done. So I wanted to know what are we doing in terms of pre-service curriculum development for health workers so that at the end of the day, before they join the series, they are aware of how they can use the information for the situation. Thank you. And a quick comment. Yes. Thank you, Chris. I think the whole idea, which is one of the caspits, which we did not present here, is this what you call Apprenda is to allow, is to build the capacity of the, or what you're calling pre-service for the students before they get to their work. So we will be, even receiving, if there is an organization, there's a means of help on them, I want us to do the work that they want to add a group of people or new talents to join the organization. We will be able to, for example, talk to us and then we identified the university, we train them during a certain period. And then those, for example, those are the ones that will be, let's say, the best they can be, let's say, provided to the organization, to the ministry, to be part of the staff. It's not clear mentioned here, yes, but at the moment, for example, we are running a program at the moment in Guinea-Bissau where the schools asked us to train, we developed 22 modules related to DHS-2. There are some aspects that are technical, others are not non-technical. So we are doing that training to the group of the 18, from those 18, I think nine or 10, they are already within the Ministry of Health, but the others are not in the Ministry of Health. They have just been trained and the head of HMIS just to identify them from the university. So you need to train them so they will be selecting six to join the Ministry of Health at the end of the day and then depending on the availability of the resources. So I think this is not clear, but we are aiming to do that kind of curriculum development, also build the capacity of the staff before they join the program. We discussed it with the Wahoo in one of the offices in Guinea-Bissau during the summer. They would like to participate in developing the content of those so that the health worker would be able to at least do basic, when they join, do basic operational activities related to health information system. My colleague Emilio is there, so if there is any question, he will be able to answer. He is the one mastermind, he is very shy, he is the one mastermind of this program. So I had to come on this behalf in the front. Thank you. Okay, thank you. So next up is Dr Palita Karuna Pema from Ministry of Health Sri Lanka. We'll be talking about capacity building. Thank you. Good afternoon to all of you. I'm presenting about the DHSU capacity building progress challenges and wave forward in Sri Lanka. Even though I'm presenting from the Ministry of Health, it's a collaborative work with Sri Lanka and the units of Colombo and the units of... So it's a collaborative work and we are presenting our experience. So I just have one DHS to how it evolved over and progress in Sri Lanka and capacity building stakeholders and challenges. And what we have initiated recently about the DHSU local community of practice and sustain DHSU capacity building program for the future. So it's a long journey, started way back in 2009 as a part of collaboration with the University of Oslo and University of Colombo with the master's program. And then gradually with the master's program, students were involved in developing programs and involving small scale implementation. Actually, some advanced implementation started around 2015 to promote this year, who is behind this, this national implementation of district national and nutritional programs. So then there was scaling up of this implementation gradually, reproductive health information systems. And then especially in 2019, the major, major, the COVID-19 with the innovative approach, COVID-19 vaccine tracking, COVID surveillance was developed and deployed, especially deployed in practical sense, national wide, that's important. And at the same time, I must mention some of the implementation were not able to sustain during this period. I have given some examples, but overall there's a very positive implementation of this. Now for the implementation of this DHSU systems, it's important, the very important component is the human resource capacity building. Now, basically, earlier also, you highlight the importance of different pillars. One thing is to maintain the existing systems. You need people for the new development, you require people to program and implement. And the integration with other, especially when you have multiple health information system, integration purpose we need. Now Sri Lanka is especially facing financial downturn or crisis in this. So cost effective software application and the implementations are very important at this stage in our country. Now, during last 10 years, 12 years, there are important stakeholders of this whole process, starting with the University of Oslo, and University of Columbia Pro Scheduled Institute of Medicine, his Sri Lanka, and the Ministry of Health. Because there are, the Ministry of Health is the largest employee basically. Almost all the trained health information are within the health ministry also say 90%, 85% and some in the universities. But all these stakeholders are really important in long term. So as you well aware, there are different areas of capacity building design customization, user training, system integration, so management, maintenance and support and advanced development. Again, I mean, these are the areas, but again, if you take the hierarchy, there are top level people and there are different tiers of capacity building required for different health workers. Then what are the challenges? Now, during last 10, 12 years, we have developed a lot of things. We have trained a lot of, I think, I suppose, 40, 50 people trained on this. But sustainability of existing capacity building really not linked to the human resource capacity building plan of the Ministry of Health. Especially our unit is responsible for digital innovation. So it is not really linked with this HR capacity plan. That is one, this is a problem. Then turn over experts and trained staff and turning over, going to other organizations sometimes, going to the international area. So it is sometimes difficult to keep those good people. Then gaps in distribution of these experts within the Ministry also. I mean, adequately distributing in different areas. Also sometimes, for example, Family Health Bureau in Traverse Sri Lanka, looking after the MCH program, they have a very good capacity. But certain other programs are not having the same capacity. Then the sometimes lack of collaboration with the Ministry of Health and PJM in sustaining these efforts. So also challenge. So basically with that last year with Sri Lanka, Ministry of Health and with PJM also, we thought about having a different, little bit different approach to this problem. Having developed a local community of practice, getting people organized with this and having more collaboration with the HIST also. And then stronger coordination with PJM. Those are the three pillars which we were initiated. Now, I'll just talk about local community of practice. Now, it's a platform for sharing knowledge and experience on DHS to implementation in different parts of the Ministry. And even sometimes outside the Ministry, led by the Ministry of Health, Health Information Unit and supported by History Lanka. So now we have a kind of a good collaboration and line of thinking involved in diverse group of including national experts and implementers, end users and interested groups. And multiple and also international partners also. And we had conducted few trainings, but it's in the initial stage, I would say, then we are communicating with them. This local, this community of practice, we are having communication with them in different channels. So, achievement of local DHS took capacity building, capacity improvement between different institution within the Ministry, we have a good collaboration and more stable implementation. For example, when there's a two in one of these, our platforms, there's a more rapid response to those issues. Then, NNAS interested on DHS to among health informatics community. So, still, these are the way forward, basically retaining the active participants in the community, recognizing the contributions of the community of practice to promoting schemes, some kind of, which you instead of Oslo is doing master's program, PhD program likewise, we can't do that kind of thing. But we even within the ministry, recognition of their services, that is one way, then updating the our community of practice members updating their knowledge, and then ensure expert involving DHS to participation in community practice to history Lanka, and with the international partners also, then the most importantly institutionalize within the Ministry of Health, this capacity building program. This should be institutionalized, because this is the largest employer of this. I mean, all the most of the trainers are I mean I'm sort of the ministry. So these. So we need to have some kind of a sustained mechanism and institutionalized mechanism within the Ministry of Health. So, then, basically, our goal is to promote the appropriate use of DHS so within the increasingly complex digital health ecosystem in the country. Because we have already developed the digital health architecture blueprints which link many, the main purpose is the interoperability between the system. So we recognize the importance of the integration. So that is one thing. So improving the country capacity to DHS through multi sectoral involvement is not possible to do only by the Ministry of Health. So there are multiple partners. Then the instance. Sorry, institutionalize the DHS to deleted knowledge skill and best practices to ensure sustainability of the system. The long run. So basically, thank you very much for your active listening so. Thank you. I think we'll save the questions for the end of the session. I'll just take note of them if you have questions to this presentation. We are ready now to give the sort to. This is I can just sign this. So, Diane and Charles, are you. Are you there on zoom. Can you hear us. I can hear you. Okay. Thank you. I'll give the floor to you to talk about your learning virtual Academy work. Please go ahead. Yes, thank you. So we are going to be presenting this with Charles so I'll do a bit of the slides and then he will take up the rest of the slides and then we can do the questions together. So I think as a country in Kenya we have made a lot of progress since the launch of DHS to up to date. So, next slide please. Can I get the next slide. Yeah. One minute. Sure. Yeah, thank you very much. So we had a pilot of DHS to in Kenya in one of our counties in 2010. And move the results from that pilot were very good. And that is why the country was able to scale up in 2011. So we scaled up to have DHS to other as our reporting system. And it's being used by all programs in terms of collecting their different data elements within the defined data sets. And also the countries are able to report for routine data that they're collecting at facility level. We had continuous capacity building and technical support to the counties, and we are able to support counties on discussions around building knowledge on implementing the systems, and also implementing the systems within the defined system. And we also been doing a lot of capacity building for the different counties. So we are looking at guys who are actually collecting data and also looking at those who are able to actually upload it into the system, and those who use the data at the different levels so we have a city level. We have sub county and we have county so for different levels we have data use and data collection. Next. So we've been doing face to face training for the counties and our different cadres in terms of the health workers. And sometimes we also had to do the virtual conferences. So limitations then turn out to be very pricey it's very costly to bring the counties to selected areas to be able to train them. Of course there's also disruption of service delivery during the workshops and therefore they have to make arrangements to see who sits for sits in for them at work. And it's quite inflexible for those who want to do it service training. And there's limited access sometimes to materials, even after the training so we thought through and decided to come up with a virtual Academy. And for the virtual Academy we have to do two approaches one is synchronous, and the other one is a synchronous. And for the synchronous training, it just means that you have to have a group of people who log in to take a particular course at the same time. And for synchronous then you can have everybody just log in and do the self based learning at their own convenience and at their own time. So the one that has been taken up most is their synchronous one where we have people looking in at different times and taking up the courses. Next. Yeah, so the virtual Academy is really a learning management system that was set up and customized by the Minister of Health with support from USAID, Health IT project. And we have a team of the instructional designers and when we want to upload the content. We have the subject matter experts, different stakeholders, and we have the core team from the division of health informatics who are actually in charge of running and implementing the DHS to system. So we came up with a curriculum and we have different modules on KHS within the system. So the process is really iterative and involves editing and review of content to some kind of format that can then be uploaded into the system. So we went through that process for hosting and I've been able to roll this out to the country, and we have different people accessing the systems apart from just the DHS to curriculum we also have other core modules within the system. Next. So, for administration of the learning courses looking at KHS, we have this rolled out at different levels, we have level one, level two and level three. And this is defined based on the competency framework, which really helps you identify your need and it helps you identify your strength, and it helps you identify what you really need to build up on. So, if you can actually do, if you're competent in level one, you can go ahead to take level three, or you can go ahead to take level two so it is most restricted that you must do level one for people who are actually managing and implementing the system. They have to do all the levels from level one level two and level three, but for those who perhaps log into the system to just look at issues of doing data and running analytics, level one may not really be necessary because it's just the basics. So we started by having these three levels we collapsed this into KHS fundamentals, but we still have the three levels defined within the system, and enrollment is open to everyone they self enrollment you just log in and enroll yourself into the system. We're able to monitor their enrollments and we're also able to monitor the completion rates for the for the different for the course and for the different levels. So, for those who successfully complete the course we're able to give them certificates, and we also, they also able to get CBD points. And this is really after having a discussion with a different regulatory bodies, so they can actually pick up and are able to award them the CBD points. The completion rates have also been previously low but I've also increased after the implementation of the certification and the CBD points chance you want to go on. Thank you. Thank you Diane, maybe you can proceed to the next slide. Yes. So, after a while, sometimes I'm implementing the, the learning mode of training for some time we saw the results initially a training through face to face we are not able to reach most of the people especially in the remote areas. And I think we were able to train less than the rest than 30 counties across the country. And there was high turnover of the trainees you train somebody today they are transferred to another area the next day. So, the learning mode has helped us to reach a wide audience. Currently we have 2147 people who have been trained and 459 certificates that have already been issued across the country. Once we rolled out the, the learning mode, we were able to see like, even in the remote areas of the country, we were able to reach people who are supposed to be trained. The graph shows the completion rates from zero to 100. So, those are between zero to 20 being the highest, but this numbers help us to target. Maybe those you, those who are between 90 to 100 we're able to just motivate them so that they can complete the, the courses. So, completion rates to remain low it's a challenge commonly in the learning courses, but we appreciate that, even for those who have not yet completed they've kept on coming back again to make reference to the materials because they are already available online. So, we can move to the next slide please. So, we've experienced challenges during this online learning training. And one of the challenges we have is low internet penetration especially in some remote, remote areas of the country. We have also a low number of low completion rates, low numbers of instructional designers especially from the start we really struggled to help people, our team to help us in conversion of the content to e-learning or to a format that can be uploaded for online learning. And of course, related to that also, that the technology from the beginning at the at the beginning we, we sometimes didn't have spaces or somewhere to sit down especially when you're doing recording you need a certain space maybe you need to go to a studio so that was lacking but as they, as we also keep on learning we are also learning how to record the cost effectively without the need to go to a studio. Yeah, next. So we have recommendations that you can take up from my end because from the challenges that we've already seen and some of these we have already started. And number one we are trying to promote offline access their content. And this one works well with Moodo mobile app. We didn't mention that the platform that we are using is open source, which is Moodo. And therefore, for synchronous learning we use Big Blue Button, which is also open source so we are advocating for use of mobile app for Moodo mobile, because you can be able to synchronous the content to your mobile phone and access it offline or once you get home, especially because mostly we are targeting corporate people who are already working, the nurses, the HROs and CHROs and all that. So most of them I know they are able to access internet at work but when we get home they may be having challenges and we encouraging the use of Moodo mobile app. We also we also training more cost managers to provide learner support and this will help to increase their completion rates. Apart from HIS courses, we opened the system to accommodate more programs and departments from the Minister of Health. And sometimes you find that people just thought they cause sponsor, they just approach their content and they go and they don't care to look at the statistics of your support the learner. So there's a challenge that we've seen, even for HIS courses we need to keep on supporting the learners and then encouraging them to complete the courses. And like we've already seen, when there is a small incentive, it could be that certification or CPD points. So here is that you'll notice that there is improvement in terms of completion. Initially when this course was thrown out, we didn't have the CPDs, we didn't have certification, but the moment certificates were issued. We started seeing their completion rates going up and sometimes also other incentives could be like provision of data bundles because we have also the content in video format which is a bit heavy for a number of users. And of course we also working towards a continuous capacity building for the health informatics division to be able to keep on updating the contents and also to keep on updating their content. So here we have worked jointly in collaboration with the USAID Health IT project which is based at the University of Nairobi, Department of Computing and Informatics. I think that brings next slide and that brings us to the end of the presentation. Thank you. Welcome any any questions. Hello, one, two. Thank you for bearing with us. Is there any questions for any of the presenters? Thank you very much. My name is Louise Day from London. And my question is about your modules. It sounded like most of them are in-service training. I wondered if any of them have been adopted for pre-service training, particularly for nurse midwives, medical students, that health worker group. Thanks so much. Diana and Charles, I think that question was for you. Go ahead, Charles. Thank you. I can start on Diana can add to my comments. Initially the target was yes in service, but the process especially the ones we brought out online, basically they are open for everyone. So even those, the pre-service students can be able to access them. Recently we've had discussions with the Kenya Medical Training College on integration with their, they also have an online platform. And we're exploring ways on which through which we can be able to cross share the content that we that is uploaded on the MUH virtual academy. Apart from that, we usually have platforms based at the different universities. It's rotational because the number of universities that we work with in Kenya. So University of Nairobi works with a number of universities around the country, which we call county proximate universities, which are based away from the capital in the county. So we work with the universities and most of the participants in this are students. Maybe Diane, you can add something. Yeah, so just to add what Charles has said is that we actually focus more on in service. And this is because these are people who have already gone through the main course and therefore are there to just build more skills and have refresher trainings in terms of what they've already done. For example, if you're looking at guys who have done health information management, they should have gone through the basic course and already within service and therefore are upgrading and just having a refresher in terms of the content in service provision. So we are focusing mainly on the in service. Thank you. I have one question to Dr. Paulita, the director of health from Sri Lanka. So, you mentioned about this local community of practice for DHS to and also you mentioned like Sri Lanka has plans to work with other open source solutions digital public goods and also do you see any potential of using this local community of practice for facilitating implementation of further solutions that you have in your blueprint or is it just only for the DHS to purposes. So very good question. Now, as a country we are adopting many open source solutions, open MRS, DHS to then open SRP, and so basically we are, we need to build the capacity of our health implementations on all these different platforms. Now, Minister of Health, we need to work with the international partners, collaborators, Sri Lanka and other like this community of practice is mainly for this kind of getting all the collaborators to a single fat form. That's the whole idea. So we'll we have started the DHS to but now we are working with the open MRS very soon. Hi, my question is for Dr. Paulita again. I just wanted to understand how, you know, learnings are shared between different institutions within the community of practice seeing as DHS to is one open source solution that's being implemented given that this open MRS and and most of and so many of them being implemented. How do you hope to also capacity build across sectors and verticals and not just in the health space has that does the NHP cover for this or is there a broader digitization strategy that speaks about this. Now, I'm mainly referring most of this capacity building at the Minister of Health level as most of the doctors employed by the Minister of Health. Now, with our with our health project, which funded by the Global Fund, we are working, we are almost completed the human resource development plan for the health information. Health information. Basically, we are working with, for example, Postgraduate Institute organizations like his. So there are many organizations that work with build the capacity of this, this open source products are only one one aspect of this capacity building there are so many other things which we want to build the capacity among health information because we have a great asset in Sri Lanka, because we have a messy and MD programs for health information, I think, but a few countries have that kind of asset. So we have built upon those things, but we need to specifically build certain capacities among these Okay, so I think with that we'll end the session I'd like to thank our presenters again, we'll have a million Zephyrino Dr. Pulitha and Diana and Charles online. So yeah, thank you very much for your time and the ground up for our presenters. Yeah, there was one presentation we didn't get to but we'll upload it online and you guys can have a look. It's just on the academies and then how we kind of the more about this learning approach on capacity building. 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