 Hey everybody welcome back to the channel today I'm going to talk a little bit about arch Linux now I've done a few videos lately about art and I've had some interesting comments about some of the Claims that I've made so I thought I would Put some things out there. No, I'll put this out there first These are my opinions. Okay, most of the videos that I do that are not tutorials are opinion-based so I just Will say that right up front. I think the vast majority of people who want to use arch Should use an arch-based distro instead of vanilla arch. I don't really think this is a debatable point I think that the vast majority of people who want to experience arch Would actually be at a disservice by installing vanilla arch And I say that for multiple reasons one arch Installing vanilla arch is Fairly difficult. It's not as hard as the stereotype says it is But it's fairly difficult. It's not for new users It's not even for regular Linux users most people When they who are Linux users Hardly ever crack open a command line and the arch install is all command line based now. It doesn't mean it's You know the difficulties up to the gen 2 levels because it's not it's a hundred percent possible for Anybody who's at least passingly familiar with command line to do it very easily probably within like a half an hour It doesn't even it doesn't take that long The arch wiki is very good So I mean it's not as if it's impossible, but I think most people who just want to use arch for varying reasons whether it's they are or it's the Hoopla surrounding it would be just as well off or better even better off using a derivative of arch And what am I what do I mean by a derivative of arch? I'm talking about manjaro arco endeavor chaos even That there are hundreds of them hundreds of derivatives out there all of them good But basically what I mean is any derivative that has a gooey installer usually using calamaris. I Just think that for the vast majority of people that is preferable because it saves them time It's easier and less It Daunting it is It's less likely that things will go wrong and I get a gooey installer specifically things surrounding partitions and Internet connections and grub installation because the grub installation is completely, you know automated You just choose which drive you want it on and it's there in vanilla arch you have to Run these commands and sometimes it doesn't work the vast majority of time when I've failed to install arch it's because of something going funky with the grub install and It gets even more complicated when you have more than one Distro installing your dual booting distros or windows or whatever. It's even more complicated and more likely to fail So that's the reason why Gooey installers that do all that kind of stuff for you is much better for the vast majority of people But even if we move past the whole noob argument Most people who even aren't noobs Would be better off just using an arch derivative because it's efficient. It's Less of a waste of time there's as far as I can tell and I'm By all means leave a comment below if you think that I'm completely off base on this But as far as I can tell there's no good reason to install vanilla arch Unless you want the experience That's really the only upside to installing the vanilla arch is that you build it yourself So everything on your system is something that you put there Whereas that's not necessarily the case if you're installing something like arco or men jar or whatever You're getting with the distro maintainer in that those cases Want you to have arco is a little bit different because you actually do get a lot of choice in the calamari's installer But man jarrow you just get everything that they want you to have the only choice you get there It's what office we to have so Arch really is about the experience. It's one of the reasons why it's become such a meme is because by installing it You've accomplished something, you know, you've put in the work and that's great I will say this by installing arch. I learned more about Linux during that, you know experience then I learned, you know in two years prior in total it's because you know, you learn how to use CF desk or fdisk you learn how to install grub and Make sure that grub is actually working even you learn how to connect to the internet via the command line Especially if you're using Wi-Fi, you know You learn how to do all these things that you would probably never learn how to do Otherwise and that's a great thing. I love learning and I love Prouding people to learn new things when it comes to Linux but if you're just wanting to use Linux and specifically arch and You're not necessarily attached to having that learning experience ArchBase distros that are have a gooey installer are way better. It's just I don't think of there Like I said, I don't think it's arguable That arch based distros in that case are better now We could have an argument about which arch based distro is the best one for people who don't want to solve a little arch. I Think I would go with Arco. Arco is my favorite. It's not the one. I'm using right now I'm using Manjaro. I couldn't get Arco install the last time I just dropped which is, you know disappointing and weird had something to do with Light DM or something not it was really weird. It doesn't matter my point is is just that I feel like There's this sense that if you're using an arch based distro and not vanilla arch You are diminished in the eyes of everyone else and that's just blatantly not true for the most part if you're using an arch based distro and You are an arch user You are Does it does your neo fetch say something different sure But are you using they you are? Yes. Are you pulling from the arch repositories? Yes If you're on Manjaro, you're a little bit different because you also have the Manjaro repository And those are a little bit delayed and it's it's very weird and gets a little bit more complicated But for the most part you're still an arch user. It's a bad argument I understand this because I mean if you're using mint You can't go out and say just because I'm using mint. I'm also using boom to even though mint is based on a boom to but I feel like it's different with arch because When you're making an arch based distro, you're really just making arch easier to install whereas And for the most part if you're making an arch based distro you were You have the same aims as vanilla arch just you know You're choosing what gets packaged, you know with your distro Whereas Linux Mint and a boon to it They have two fundamentally different ways of looking at Linux and you know one like snaps one like flat packs one you know has a Boner about chromium the other one doesn't you know, it's just They feel they'd be much better separate. They feel more separate than arch based distro and you know vanilla arch Vanilla arch and arch based distros like Manjaro and Arco. They feel much more, you know intertwined Whereas here's an example It feels like Linux Mint and a lot of the Ubuntu based distros could just snap off at any given point and be their own thing They could just fork Ubuntu and just carry on, you know along their own merry road Whereas it never feels that way with arch based issues It feels like they're very much married together and it's you know It's just a way that it feels to me because it these are all my opinions. So It's easy for to say. Well, you know Matt you're way off and There's like a chance that I am it's just that for the most part. I think that most people would be Well off if they just chose an arch based distro that was easy easy to install It's not even just the easy and easy the ease to install that distro I'm talking about really. It's the time because Things go wrong when you bought when you build arch vanilla arch Linux For almost everybody. I mean very rarely will you I mean unless you know exactly precisely what you're doing If you're just installing it for the first time, you're gonna hit a snag mainly because if you look on The Vinna the arch wiki is great But most people get arched tutorials from like YouTube and every single one of them skip a step It's not always the same step. Distro tubes always skips a step mental outlaws probably skipped a step There's a guy named Linux dabbler his probably skipped a step and the reason why is because they're installing these things usually in A virtual machine and the process to install arch Linux in a virtual machine is different than it is on hardware There's a couple extra steps Um, specifically usually around connecting to the internet and that's like one of the first things you do so, I mean if your Time is important to you then the arch based distros is much more of a rewarding thing for you because It allows you to save time So I mean and if that's important to you then that's what you know should be important to you And rant it's like one o'clock in the morning Forgive forgive my in eloquence because I've actually this is the second time to have done this video Anyway, so if you like this video give it a thumbs up Please leave a comment because I'm sure there's some arch guy out there like oh my god Are what the hell is this guy talking about? This guy's a fool and I may very well be this is my pick is it's my opinion But I'd love to hear from you in the comments I do interact with all the commenters who get who leave comments on my videos, so Let's get into a fight. Come on, man. I Think and I'll leave you with this thought the one thing with all arch users can agree with whether you use an arch based distro Or a vanilla arch. There you are is awesome There we go. We can all agree on that Subscribe to the channel hit the notification icon support us on patreon at patreon.com slash linux cast Thanks for watching. I'll see you next time