 Public comment, items on the agenda, additional changes to the agenda, any of the above? Okay, done. So Toby, how's it going? It's a nice spring day today, the maple syrup is running. Month season. Month season is starting. Thank you. Yep, it's going good. The municipal works general permits. I'm ready with that stuff. I don't know. Side down. So, the municipal roads general permit standard need to be added to the existing road and bridge standards. Correct? So the state redid their version of the road and bridge standards. And they required as part of the acceptance of that to declare how you handle MRGP segments on your head. And so essentially the whole document essentially says you choose, you either say yes, yes, yes to everything or you say yes, no, yes, no to what your panel standards want to be. The minimum standard is any segment that is hydraulically connected has to be rated at this MRGP standard. So you can choose the rest of the roads to not be brought up to that same standard if you so choose. How do I end in a fine hydraulically connected? Everything's 100 feet. Oh, 100 feet. And there are some that are plus or minus and they roll them in or don't roll them in. But essentially they have an inventory that we've done, the inventory in town. All the segments are there and each one that's hydraulically connected needs to meet this standard that the status is saying that we need to meet. Okay. And that's what this document is. So if you decide to follow the state regulation then you have to adopt this in order to get the 10% in town grants, in FEMA and ERAF monies. Right, if we have a disaster or something like that we would be more protected. So also class two and structure grants you lose 10% if you don't adopt these. So you also have your own standards. This would supersede your standards. These would no longer be a conflict. I guess, right. So essentially you can adopt these for the most part they're almost identical to the standards we have. Slopes and ditches and all that kind of stuff. It's really pretty much what's already here except for trees and policies and roads, named, size and stuff. So this has all of the standard in it that's in this for the most part. We could adopt that as a policy. We could adopt that as an appendage to that and whatever and that's newer in time, whatever it is in conflict that supersedes. I guess, I don't know. Legally you'd have to meet this standard. And I'm not sure what you can do with this whether it still exists or doesn't exist. I mean that's your legal question but if you adopt this standard you can't have this standard standing. They can't stand next to each other. But you can still say we still wanna go by. You can still say this is a town policy. You can adopt this as a policy saying we want to enforce our standards with this policy but you'd have to adopt this as a policy, not a standard. So believe it, but again you have to generate. What happened to that waiver we were granted from last time there was a stand set of standards and we said we wanted to. Well because ours were more stricter than that. Right, we wanted to augment. Right, but now they've added this municipal roads general permit stuff. Right, well that's how that works. They just revised everything. So in this new revision we do have a choice that we could eventually or more pass the deadline. Right. You know if we wanted to do all of our own. You know, the deadline was July, last July. Oh. So we're already behind the A-ball but we don't adopt state version. Okay. But we could still at some point adopt new standards to include the municipal roads general permit. Yeah. If you remember when we did these we trans-reviewed them. Yeah. And so they were firmly exceeded their standard at the time. That's right. Well they may have exceeded and actually we had to change a few things in this in order to get the state to approve it. Right, that's right. Because our culvert sizes were not acceptable. They were undersized. And then the original roads commitment. So. Good memory there. Yeah. Yeah. A few years ago. I was working on all of that so. Anyway, so my suggestion is that you take this document and adopt it. It's pretty much all the standards we already have for ditching and slope and drainage and all the rest. And it meets the state standard. And then you can take your time to say, okay, how much of this do we want to either engage as an appendix or engage as a policy? And you know, this is the procedure we would use beneath these standards. Then essentially every year you just have to sign this document because it is the, it's the. It's only good for one year? Yeah, I think you have to do it every year. I didn't realize you did but I think you have to. And anyways you need to do it this time because it's a new standard. Right. And we're out of compliance, so to speak. Right. So something for the to-do list would be to review the town's road and bridge standards in comparison with the updated state standards and see what we might want to adopt as town policy. So there's, there's some numbers written in here. Did you put them in? I did, yeah. There's one blank still. There's a million minimum 15 blank inches on top. Must be soiled. Hey, hey, you need a, oh no, there's a cheddar. Oh, three inches. It's what's in our standard already. Okay. So do we, do we all sign it or? Yeah, there's a sign signature page and a date. So you just have to date that document, sign it, and then we'd have to send an electronic copy to Shana. So then it's then registered to the state that you adopted the state standard. Right, yeah. You also have to, at the first page, you have to say yes to the ones that are required, which are I think the first two. But you can say yes to all of them if you want to say yes to, there's a guardrail standard, there's a driveway standard, and there's a water quality standard. We already have all of those things that we follow, so my suggestion is to do all the yeses. So yes to all of them? Yeah, just say yes to everything, that's the question. Okay. Yeah, I talked to, well, I emailed with Shana, and I guess my, I thought the way to do it was I would scan it and email it to her. Is that the right way? Nope. Yeah, I don't want us to rescind our policy. No. That we'll adopt this, and then maintain whatever there is in addition. So I guess for the, Is that a motion? Is that a motion? Yeah, I would move that. We adopt the town and bridge road standards for town of Calis dated, first dated June 5th, 2019, with the additions in Blank Set. Toby has indicated for the state road and bridge standards. The state road and bridge standards, right? No, it says miss Pally of Calis, state road and bridge standards for the town of Calis, and that these would be, in addition to, we're not in conflict to our existing town, Calis, road and bridge standards, we would review against both of those standards. All right, I'll second that. And in the minutes we could put that we're going to see about, looking at our current standards and check them against these. Yes, yeah. So it needs to be dated on the front page. There's a date of adoption. Okay, 224, 2020. And then I think the signature, the second page is the signature page. And you're recommending hydrology connected road segments. Yes, on everything. It's what we're already doing. Intermittent stream crossing, construction standards, Garg Reels driveway. What are we doing? Right. All right. And we're going to date it again, and then I'm going to send it around for signature after we vote on it. All right, everybody else that? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Hearing none. Joan, so the only thing I'd suggest is you get a clarification on how you can meld the old standards into the new document. Well, these would be the standards, and then anything that we have that's over and above, we would also vote on those. Whether it's a standard or a policy or an explanation, I just want to make sure that you understand what this then becomes. Right. It's not the standard because you just adopted a different thing. So I'm suggesting we have two sets of standards. One is the state standard, and then we have a town standard that's an addition. Yes, we're not in conflict. I don't know if that can exist in that. Oh, really? So I would check to make sure that you can't have the standards, and which one do I vote on? Well, for instance, we have a standard that says non-galvanized guardrails. That would continue to be our standard. The standard or policies. Whatever, I just make sure it's correct. However, you want to make things more problematic. Right, well, we also don't want to make it so that the stuff that we work hard on to change isn't followed. Right. Oh, yeah. I mean, we're already following it. I didn't mean it's the way we work. Right. So that's not going to change us because there's a different state standard. All right. So what's the other update on post stuff? So Sandra had given me a copy of the latest budget for the highway. And you look like we're in great shape, $150,000 to $170,000. Last time I still have a $25,000 reimbursement coming for the paving on Moscow Woodrow. So there's money coming in. Yeah. Well, we look to be nothing too unusual. And you're all set with the budget for Kevin Meakin for highway? Sure. Everybody has questions or? Mrs. General, one hour? No, that's, you need to be there. Yeah, that's your general. So I was reviewing the orders. I always look at the time cards. Do you get this or do you get this? I give it. I'll get it to Sandra. I mean, I'll get it to Shauna. And then I'll leave the original here. So I was trying to understand on the time cards. Some of the codes. Week of February 3rd, Jacob had 22 hours of VP time. What is that? Vacation pay. Vacation pay. Oh, that's vacation. And SP for Bruce, what is SP? Sick pay. Thank you, because I didn't have any clue. I thought I was seeing what that is. OTs over time. Yeah, I got that. R's regular time. I got that. I was at the SP and the VP was in German. Learned something to do every day in prison. Yeah, that's what I thought. OK, thanks for that. And all the trucks are running good. No breakdowns. Actually, we have loaned a truck to Eastmont Pillar. One of their trucks is down. So they have floppy for a few days. It's still there. So we're using mutual aid between 10. That's good. And why is that called floppy? Because it's rolled over twice. Oh, that one. Oh, is that a spare? Yeah. Oh, OK. Law the P. I think I'm going to name this donk-floppy. There you go. I thought you were going to tell me the fenders are rotted out and they're doing this. No. I hope not. I've said a couple of turns to the side. So we're having internet issues still on a ticket. We are. So we can't call up anything on the screen. Oh, good. I'm not sure why. Did you guys have internet issues today? I had a VP day today. I had a vacation day today. I wasn't in the office. So the only other thing when you look at the highway budgets, sometimes the reimbursement does not fall into the year of the expense. So that's one of those things you have to pay attention to. Because there may be a plus or minus income on budget. Like right now, we did the paving on Moscow Woods in the fall. And I will get a reimbursement for the end of the year. So that will fall in one year. And the expenses will be in the same year as the income because the reimbursement. So it'll be in the same fiscal year? It'll same. So essentially the 22,000 will be offset by 22,000. It won't affect the bottom line. But in other cases, so we have a George Road project that's probably going to start in the spring, but then we'll jump into reimbursement in the fall. So essentially $150,000 may end up being expended without any monies coming in to pay for it. It'll come out. So the budget may look like it's running off a little bit in the summertime because those expenses will come in. And then the next fiscal year will happen. And the reimbursement will come to that. So just so you understand that's how those grants go. Why is it that much in the leg? It all depends on when you do the job and when you can put it in. So essentially, we don't put jobs out in the middle of December and not in December to get it done. So it'll be in the spring and probably won't be finished before the next fiscal year starts. Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. It's July 1, and there is the cutoff. Got it, got it, got it, right. So just understand that sometimes there will, it's not a cash flow issue. It's just going to be the budget will look like it's for a period of time until all of a sudden this reimbursement check comes in. And it's just a timing frame that sometimes it jumps between fiscal years. So this is more or less the end of February, correct? Correct. And we're at almost 70% of highway wages and we have March, April, May, June, four more months to go. But winter's going to be burned down. Right, right, so there's a lot of overtime in there right now. Essentially the next four months will be very little overtime. So essentially, you know, we don't have that season that will throw something out. What season's starting? I know, as of today, one season started. Yeah. Or yesterday, I forget which one. And in some cases, like insurance line items, sometimes there's a one-time payment and so that throws it off. It's like at 100% now, but it's never going to be more than 100% because that's the last payment. So those things that may look out of line right now are not necessarily out of line. It's all when they get paid in the cycle. And so the same thing with some of the capital payments for trucks come when they're due. Right. Not necessarily in the time of year where it's 60% or 70% that you expect for that to have been spent. Expended. So we're at 66, the February is at a 66% point in the budget. So when you're looking at those percentages the highway wages are running over budget. But again, we don't spend one-twelfth of the budget every month and there's this front loading in the overtime. Right. Well, if you look at the bottom line, we're at 78, well mine's gonna say 78%. So that's about right. Right, but also I understand that the 22,000 that was expended on Moscow Woods doesn't show the reimbursement there. So you need to take 20% essentially. So now you're gonna get down to about 74% up total and some of those other items that are 100% are running that percentage up because you've already paid 100% of insurance and you've paid 100% of other things. And does George Road grant, is that the one we didn't get? No, we got it, we're just waiting to deal with it. Oh okay, we got the money, we're just waiting for the better weather. We don't have the money, we got the grant. The grant. We got the room to spend the money and then it's a reimbursement, all state courts have reimbursements. Right, got it. So it comes out of our pocket but then it gets reimbursed. I had a couple of things I just wanted to say. When we were away, of course, my son Brian was at my house. When we came home, he showed us a leaf, I think it's a leaf spring or a coil spring that broke off of someone's vehicle. It was at the top of Lightning Ridge, so it's in my breezeway. It was like this, it's a coil spring. Yeah, it's a coil spring, it's broke. There's some real big moguls on Lightning Ridge and he suggested that I say, wonder if the road grader could come out and do that. And the banks need to all get pushed back. I guess what we did today. Yeah, did you do it on Lightning Ridge? I haven't been home yet. You can do it tomorrow. Yeah. We started pushing banks in places where there was really rough. A lot of the rough was in the snow and ice because people going up a hill with it. It's just like gravel in the gravel season. So we've already done once where we hit the hills that were bad so we can do it again and get the next couple of days to go ahead and chase those down. So is the culvert blocked on the, as you're coming onto Moscow Woods right there by the old mill, is the culvert there blocked? Because I went through there yesterday and there's like pretty deep standing water, so I didn't know. I think that's the snow. We cleared that off today with a bucket loader. I think that's just the snow that was there that melted and has no place to go. Right, well, isn't that? And it's all cleared off now. And that's part of the road erosion project for that area? No. That little bridge, no, we resurfaced that. Right. It's just, it's a factor of there's no place for the water to drain off because there's a curb on either side. Right, right. I think you were talking about it post-doctors. No, I was talking about that little bridge there. Right, by the mill, if you could just come up a fortnight. I thought maybe there was a culvert there that was blocked or something. Nope. No, there's a big culvert underneath, the whole pond drains underneath there. If that gets blocked, call FEMA. Good thing we just signed these. Went through on the posted signs go up. When do the roads usually get closed? That's usually the first part of March. I did see a ten-wheeler on dirt roads in East Mock Hill here today. I thought- Well, all the logging trucks are trying their best to get everything out of town by the early part of March. Right. Anything else on my way? Thank you. Thank you, Toby. All right. Yeah, we can't call anything up on the screen for anybody to see. We've got paper. So you want me to just jump right into February? Yeah, I missed it. Yeah, because you were here last time we did the other song. Right, so just to go back a little bit, January, there is a January report. You have that in your hands. I think the most important part of that would be to talk about the delinquent tax report. It is a tax, but it did make copies of those. So we are, quick second, we have collected $65,000 plus so far in 2019 delinquent taxes of the $190,000 that is outstanding and the money is coming in. And why that is important and why I wanted to just go rewind back to that particular section of the January report is when we look at where we are in February, we have a revenue, essentially a revenue shortfall of $156,000. And mostly that is mostly all. In fact, it is all delinquent taxes. So the rule of thumb is whether or not your expenses are on target or even under budget if you did not collect the revenues equal to what you have spent, then you end the year in a loss and your general fund then has to cover for it and is depleted by that. So moving on to the expenses. I have annotated each section of the expense sheet or the budget to actual for February. And it is six pages long. And at the top it says general fund. So our select board budget is actually on target as long as we stay within our budgeted amounts, we're going to be fine. The grant matches are on your page. Page two, yes. Grant matches are at 100%. They're not going to increase. Town Thurks salaries, they're a tit-over budget, but the election pressures on those salaries are what you see that has inflated them. So that is what is to be expected. The Lister's budget is likely to be at or under budget. By the end of the year, Town Treasurer is likely to be at budget. At the end of the year, the audit is going to be at or under budget. And it is likely to be under budget, actually, because we're just really getting very smooth with never now doing our monthly audits. And it really is. There was a lag in the December, January audits. They were busy. We were really busy. But going forward, the rest of the months of the year should be really smooth and timely. Tax collectors are going to be at budget. Elections are going to be at budget. General office, it's a little bit over right now. And it could go over by the fiscal year, maybe by a couple of $1,000. And computer stuff, or what? Perious, well, telephone and internet, postage. It's possible to go up supplies. These are the numbers that continue to need to be spent. And we're over budget on those items. But again, I don't see this as anything critical. Why is heat and electric so low as compared to budget at this point? I can't really say either we have higher bills to come. And I imagine that we do for February and March. And then it's going to slow down. Does the town hall, is it on the same bill as the town office? No. It'll be separate. It's separate. Payroll taxes and benefits, they're going to be a little bit over budget. And that's primarily driven by your salaried employees, in particular, in the town clerk's side. So if we go over a little bit on the salary, but everything else is going to go up. Yeah. Taxes do an assessment. They're not going to go up near a little under budget. Zoning administration is likely to be at budget. Fire and ambulance is likely to be at budget. We have one more payment to make on that. So we have one more payment to make the east non-pillar. And one more to Woodbury? What? Woodbury is only at 80%. Do we owe them anything? Yes, there will be one more payment. They're paid quarterly, so the next payment will be due April 1. Police patrol, we're over. We may very well go over, but we're talking hundreds of dollars. It's not thousands of dollars. Animal control, it looks like we're going to be under budget. But if we do not know, it's a complete guess if animals are turned over to the ASPCA, then the Central Vermont Humane Society, then you'll see expenses in that line item go up. Planning commission is an interesting line item for a group of line items is they're only at 3 tenths of their budget at this time. And so we want to keep an eye on that particular cluster of budgeted items. Maybe we're over budget. Maybe we're over budgeting there. I don't think I get it for the next couple years. I think it's going to ramp up because they're doing shoreland and they're going to be having public meetings and they're going to need Katie's help. So I think that before the end of the fiscal year, they will spend most of this. Just something to be aware of. Conservation fund, that's a budget. That's not likely to go over budget. It's probably going to go below budget. Swim fund, if that appropriation has been made and the budget will not go up. Town hall is likely to go over budget, probably by $1,000 or a little more. Here's where utilities are higher than we budgeted for. Is it a construction tool? So our electric bill there is right now running about $300 a month. So I think that's how we're doing it. That's right. All that stuff. Yeah, so again, these are not large numbers at all. Insurance, this is quite just over so much. So all we have is an insurance that, like the health insurance bill, we are billed on a calendar year, not on a fiscal year. And we're always basically behind by a year. And this budget or this cluster of line items reflects that. So it's just, it is what it is. We did increase the town hall value based on the renovation. And we're going to see an insurance premium that's going to reflect that. I believe we also added, didn't we add a truck? We added a truck as well. So although that would be on the highway side. So I think we'll have one more bill for a couple of $100 on the unemployment end of things they bill quarterly. So we're pretty much where we're going to be on that cluster of line items. We don't pay unemployment on the two temporaries, correct? Yes, we do. Unemployment is applied to all employees, everyone on payroll. It's based on the payroll. So we're at a percentage. Yes. Long term debt, we're going to be on budget. All of those numbers are just either they have been paid or they will be paid prospectively and they won't change. Tax abatement, we're over by $3,800. But we just don't budget for tax abatement. Once it's looking in the new budget, we don't have a line item for tax abatement, which is impossible to know. Right, you wouldn't budget for that. And that line item could go up if there is a request for tax abatement and it is granted by the board. Social services, that is at budget. It's not going to change. It won't go up. Transfers out or cemetery appropriations and the Equipment Reserve Fund for Woodbury. And they were both special articles on last year's town warning. So overall, at this point in the year, we're up by 2%, which is basically on target. Excuse me, what if transfers out, cemetery, what does that mean? That is a, those are the appropriations that were voted on at town meetings. So that's what it was last year. So that's what it looks like for purposes of auditing in Nimrick. They're just called transfers out. So they're transferred out of the general fund to the cemetery fund or to the Woodbury Equipment Reserve Fund. And if you look at the, if you look at the, I just saw it, something else that Sandra gave us. I think this is the beginning of this. It shows the cemetery's budget and how much, I can't find it right now. It's a little bit deeper in, but you do have a copy of that. And it shows that they have like $8,600 or something left to spend through the end of June, at which time, depending on whether the budget is approved at town meeting, which they asked about $9,000 more this year than last. So they understand that they only have $8,600 or so left to spend for cemetery maintenance and things through the end of June. Well, I don't know if they understand that, but they certainly have that information. And they probably do understand it. So overall, we're up by about 2% of where we should be at this time of year. I think that's pretty darn good for guessing at what numbers might be projecting. So if we do go over, it doesn't seem that we will go over by any significant amount, and we could actually hit budget right on target or be under again this year. So again, that is only one half of the equation. When you budgeted to spend is only one half of the equation. Big piece here, what we really want to be cognizant of is our delinquent taxes. And that is, you know, leniency is not our best friend. We want to make sure that we try to strike a balance, I think. Yeah, we want to make sure we get as really almost all of it in by the end of the year as in accordance with your policy, by the end of the fiscal year. So the 2018 report, and there's five parcels, those have all been sent to the town tax attorney. The, let me grab them, three have been sent to the tax attorney, number one, number four, number five. She has already sent them collection letters. OK, so these are the tax attorneys. We read that, thanks. If you have just votes on here. Yeah, it's steeper in that. Like I have to throw that. Oh, there was a kind of. OK, and then the other two. So coal actually has paid. That was the estate that was in probing. And let's see, this is the January report. So in February, that was paid full. So this one, coal number two, I should say. So it's paid in full. And number three is down to, he makes $75 on payments. And so he's down to about $30 for 2018. So it might well say that. He's deluded. Yeah. So 2018 is in great shape. You have the full 2019 report. Oh, I know, wait a minute. So this second page of that, it shows that we still have 8496 outstanding in 2018. Yes. It's OK, gotcha. All right, 2019. So the 2019 report is what taxes were outstanding as of January 31st, $125,288. So we're going to close that gap. Right, and probably not the first select board meeting after town meeting, but maybe the one after. We'll review that. Sandra worked on a policy for small amounts. 23 cents or 20 cents. Stuff like that. So she worked on a policy for that. Jim's taking a look at it. And we can put that on the agenda sometime in March. When you take a look at the list, there are so many folks who are a penny or $0.05 or whatever. And I cannot select who I want to print. It's either one or none. It's all or one. So I've already spent, we printed pages because I have to keep a record, but it's at least probably a penny to print a bill at this point. And the tax policy is things that are $10 or less. There is a statute that Jim felt was sufficient to authorize the board. And I will let him speak for himself. But he did send me an email that he felt a town could, based on that statute, turn into the general fund amounts of $10 or under in overpayments. Now, you do not have to pick that amount. But we can talk about that some other time in March, but I didn't want to let you guys know that's on the horizon. Anything else, Madam Truger? I think I'm going to pop back now to the balance sheet for the period ending January 31. We're in good shape. We have a general fund balance right now in excess of $436. So that is composed of the general fund balance that opened FY20 plus all the revenues we've received minus all of the expenses we've received. So you can see that I think we're in very good shape. As far as the highway grant expenditures that we're going to see by the end of the year, it's quite possible that we will not require a note in anticipation of taxes. And that's the view. I can't guarantee it, but that is the beauty of having a healthy general fund balance. So I think that's where we are. It looks really good. You once again have a due to from, I did copy for you the due to from a schedule. And it just tells you what each, for instance, what each fund has in it, the technology fund, the record preservation fund. It is a list of the funds that are, yes, the funds that are in our checking account, but which are not available to use as a name as yes. Yeah, I don't see it, but that's OK. Did I not make a copy of that? Would you like a copy? No. Copy, so that because you received all of that in an email. Yes. Yeah, that's fine. So any questions? Great. This is great. I think we're going very well. Thank you. It looks good. Yeah, it does. I mean, it's hard to predict the budget. You never know. No, you don't. All right. Wonderful. Thank you. Your questions before we send our chair to our owner and our family? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. And you'll be at town meeting? Yes. Oh, yeah. Did you have any questions for me for town meeting just to refresh your memory on anything in particular? I'm going to be working on that this week. We have any kind of questions? All right. I will also bring my budget development notebook with me. So for those real esoteric questions that how much is in the technology fund right now, I cannot remember that off the top of my head. But I don't know why not. And I will have that those numbers available because I got caught last year with a highway equipment fund. How much money is in there? I took a wild guess. It happened to be right or close to right. But I don't want to try to be that lucky again. All right. Thank you very much. Take care. All right. Who wants to be next? I have town hall next and then town meeting morning. You guys want to go? Well, I think John will be fast. OK. Well, this is good because I don't know what's going on. Did we, Sandra, did we have a large copy? I'd like to guess to have one of these styrofoam copies. Let me open a ball. No, you can have one of these because we're not all here. I feel certain that I think we can see eight or 10. And he should have one. He was definitely one of the best to guess. It's easier to read. And in a layclab. Do you want to leave this open or the closed? I think you can leave it open. Leave it open for Alison to check that more than again. Yeah, and don't forget, you're going to have computer problems in the morning. Something to look forward to. Yeah. It's odd enough. So I have a computer at home and I'm on the same line. So I'm going to be interested in just the one you get home if you haven't used it? But it just blinked off just now. No, since we got here, it's fine. You connect, but it's not connected to the internet. Yeah. OK, John. OK, I'm here to talk about the snow at the town hall. Yes. It's kind of a new thing. We haven't used the building in the winter. So we're not really used to what it's like using it in the winter. And even during the winters when we didn't use it, we didn't heat it. The roof's cold. The snow stuck to the rusty corrugated. Now we've got a new standing seam, slippery standing seam, and we've got heat. And the snow is coming off. It's quite a drop to the ground. It usually doesn't fall off the roof unless it's getting wet. I'm starting to melt a little bit. So when it enters the ground, it turns to ice. I mean, there's a block of ice. So removing it is going to be more of a snow blower. Can't handle removing it. It's too dense for a regular snow blower. Sandy and I cleared O&N. It builds up at the windows. It was not good. And Sandy and I went out there with mattocks and shovels and cleared it out and put those pieces of plywood up. Did that help? The plywood help? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it would be up over the sill, yeah. And probably that's part of a long-term solution is some kind of plywood panel that maybe is not a full 8-foot high, but it comes up 36 inches anyway. Because right now, the sill outside is only 24 inches or something. So this is going to be an ongoing issue. We've been in quite a lot of use of that. Well, that's why I'm talking to the select board about it, because it's sort of a new thing. So we've got to come up with a strategy for removing it pretty much. I don't know if there's a strategy for keeping it on there, if people talk about snow guards and such. The standing seam installation may not allow us to use the kind of clips to simply clamp onto the ribs. There's a risk there sometimes that an entire pan can come down. So I don't know if snow guards are going to do anything, but maybe it might help us a little bit. Long-term solution is finding a way to remove the snow. And I could leave my presentation right there, or I could say, I can add that I went online and I was poking around and said, what's the smallest bobcat kind of thing we could get? A bobcat makes a small excavator, and it is small. It's got a blade. It's got a little bucket. And it would probably be the tool to keep the pole, especially on the west side, where we can't get anything big going around the building. We don't plow around that side of the building. There's a septic there. Yeah. So we can't bring the main excavator in. But you could. What if we're buying a tractor with a. Just a little drive and a loader. And that might be too big to. We're talking about a pretty small flat spot before the grade drops off after the septic. This little bobcat excavator could be used not only to clear the snow away from the window, but to keep the parking lot trim. To keep the, it's got a blade so I can do some plowing. And if we had one down there right now, whoever was responsible for running it, it would probably be worthwhile if they came up here right now and started dealing with the snow around the window here. And so there are two places I can see it used in the winter for snow removal. And then talk to the road crew and the operations person about what kind of bobcat-y kind of thing could also be used in the summer. That what would be, what, what. What could they use one for? Yeah. Or if it's the next step up or something, would it then be valuable for summer youth? Or if it's too small, is it strictly for snow removal between the two buildings? And that's, that's my whole. How much is one of those things? Or as I can tell 20 grand. I've always wanted to drive one of those. Me too. Me and Andy, if we said we'll do the first couple of plows and the pro bonoes. Why don't you start? We can't stop. Well. Can't eat just one. It was just so much fun to drive one of those. What does that gardener call it? Iron disease? Metal disease? I know, I know. I don't have that. I don't have that. I also have that disease. So when you tip it over and it's hanging, you're hanging upside down on the side of it. It has a roll bar. It's hanging upside down on the side of it. You just can't get out of it. John, do you think there still need to be some kind of wood over the windows? I do. Even if we had something to clear the snow. Actually, the more we use the building and the warmer it gets, the more likely it is that even after a three inch snow, it's going to come sliding right off. Right, right. But I was putting some paint on upstairs. And it must have been an entire pan let loose at once. The whole building shook. I mean, there's a lot of snow comes off. You know, it lands in the swannel area. There's probably no bigger than two feet in depth. But it's a hold of like almost 20 feet. You know, I saw you getting 10 times as much snow suddenly coming in one spot. So there's a lot of weight there. So that little entryway, is that going to be enough to protect people from that? It came off before. No, I don't want if someone slams the doors walking, is that going to hit the roof or is it going to hit the roof? You don't have to put the avalanche warning on the door. Yeah, well, don't slam door. No, no, just the avalanche warning. Then your liability issues. Oh, OK. Is that where one of those monitors was? The same part of the door. Yeah. OK. It came off that side of the building today when I was there. And I didn't even recognize the noise. It was so loud that I went out. And it did dump right on top of that little roof. The little roof still there. I was going to say, did it smash the roof? Well, one time it took the whole line right on. Yeah. I think I remember occasioning a town meeting where Rodin Cade had his car parked up in it, slid off it, put a huge dent in it, and so on. Oh. Oh, so. Anyway, so there's something that's kind of new. We're using the building in the winter, and sliding snow is an issue. Yeah, and who would have thought of that until now, right? Especially in California. It didn't occur to me until I saw the snow building up, like, you know, eight inches above the sill. So we put the plywood up. Right. On the east side, the parking lot side, when the plow comes in to plow the driveway, it can drop its wing, and it can come pretty close to the side of the building and take a lot of that away. So really where we have the highest piles of accumulating snows on the west side. Yeah. Well, we'll have to check it into it. If we take out a loan just more than a year, we have to put it on a get the voter approval. If it's a loan for a year or less, the select board can do it on its own, or if it's a used, and we don't have to take out, you know, a loan, then the select board can authorize it. I saw a used one of what the one I'm talking about. They call it an excavator, but it's a little bucket with tracks, it's got a four-foot blade, and it's a little bucket, a cute little bucket. 10 grand for one that was 2019. Yeah. If you want Greg to do the research, he'd be more than happy to do the research. That's what we use, research, and see what the road through some day, it must be tiny or something. They are tiny, oh, they're tiny. And they turn around, and they turn around quick. Well, this one's got tracks, so I don't know how tight it is. That's what they do, you don't have to use those in the Montpelier on the sidewalks. I wasn't one of those, that's the best stuff. You don't have to use the Montpelier, you don't have to try it. No, but it's not like the same size though, right? I think the Montpelier is just a plowed blade. Yeah, it's kind of the same size. And still, it sounds too cheap, 10 grand. The thing I'm thinking of is the kind of thing a landscape person would have, you know? Yeah. He's got one, and he had the blade, he had the broom, he used to do all the sidewalks at U32. Yeah, and someone wants to look into that. So we have to put sidewalks in first before I can use it. Oh, okay. Yeah. Anyway, that's my two cents. Okay, well, I mean, it's something, it's good to know, so we can think about it before next winter hits. Yeah, exactly. Right, exactly. Yeah, thank you. Yes, John. And I love the number of things on the panel. Covered the Pugh numbers. There's a secret code, those numbers are secret code. It's just the coolest thing. It's actually not, but he didn't want to make a secret code. So while we're here, do you have a quote of us as to Article 7? Oh, the painting thing, it sounds like we didn't maybe ask for enough money. This quote from Travis Hatch, it seems really high. My computer started smoking, I didn't even get out of it quickly. Well, almost 20%, that almost 20% is renting the boom and materials, but. So I. I don't know what you want to say when you get to articles. Where's the one? I did look at up these paints and the markup of this contract, I'm leaving names out of this, is phenomenal. The Oro paint for Gallon at Balbashon, it's the exact paint, Benjamin Marora, exterior white, exterior white, it's $30 a Gallon. So I went and looked up the list price, it's $69.90, so $70, so I said, let me multiply, let me see what the price would be if I were a private company doing a 15% pastor, which is standard, it came out exactly at $80. So I think they're taking the list price and they're full pricing us like an auto mechanic would and then on top of that, they're adding a pastor. So, almost triple the price per Gallon, times 65 Gallon, it's a $3,200 difference in markup, just on the Oro paint, and I didn't even calculate the markup on the. Well, you'll be going out to bed, but this is just to get my. Yeah, so just so that, so I think they can, that number can be knocked down a little bit. Well, if they at least give us a 30, it's a place we can start at, and then we'd have to see if the select board would authorize money out of the Town Hall Reserve Fund if a bid goes over the $30,000. That's not anything I can think to do, unless somebody wants to move from the floor to increase this amount. Unless we could, we seriously, it's not a joke, if we, unless we could do part of the building one year and the other part the next year, half. But then if you were renting a boom, you'd have to rent it twice. Right, right, right. That's a good point. They did the OS Church, which was $37,360. How many weeks did they do that? They were really fast. Yeah, because they had the boom that one. They were fast and thorough, yeah. So they're known for doing historic buildings, so I have that. All right. Yeah. Yeah, so the only, I mean there's, like I said, there's a couple options, let this go through the way it is. We do have money and be putting money in the town hall reserve fund, but I don't know if it will be enough. Or to have somebody from the floor. The friends of the town hall could fund us. Yeah. I'm not on that committee. Yeah. Neither is John. So there's a couple of options. Yeah. Okay, so if you were just a couple of them, it'd be, I'm leaving at $30,000. Yeah, and like I said, unless somebody wants to move. Yeah, and maybe we'll go out to bed and something will come in lower and. Yeah. So is there more square footage on that town hall than the Old West Church? I knew Old West Church was there. I thought so. Yeah, but there's no porches or stairs or ceiling. It's just one big block. Oh, this is interior and exterior? No, the exterior of the Old West Church. But you have the ceilings underneath the porches. Yeah, I mean, like the front porch. The town hall has some art. Like square footage. It's got a portion on the back. The front porch on the exterior. Yeah. There's the front, you know. And the Old West Church, on the other hand, has a very tall cupola. Yeah. It just doesn't. Yeah. And he is the same guy, right? Yeah. I looked up that contractor online and there's a photo of the Old West Church being painted or multiple ladders on one side with all people on the ladders. Oh, I know. And a boom truck. Question I had, do they spray it? Or do they do it? Yeah, well, they do not spray it. Are you seeing John? John's giving me the look. What? They spray it at the South Woodbury Church. It was all over the windows. Yeah, so there's a technique. And so I looked at that photo and I was actually talking to Denise about that on the phone. A friend of mine is a professional contractor and he said, there are two ways to do it. If you want to make lots of money on time and material, I'm not criticizing them the same as what he told me years ago. A lot of contractors, they take the can and they dip the brush, they wipe the brush, and they apply like you would do your house or your kitchen cabinets. And then there's the guys who want to get it done and it's the same quality paint job they have. One of those power sprayers, they spray in front of them and then they brush it in. So you're not, it saves the time of dipping. You're still brushing it in, but the application, he says it's so much faster, 50% faster. So there may be ways to get that price down. If that's mostly labor and they're doing it, you know, 1850s approach, it might be a way to reduce that. We get a different contract for it. All right, are you going to Alistair Town Hall? I called Accessibility Solutions for Systems with the name of Bob Webber, I don't know if they've told them to schedule an inspection. I thought he was already supposed to do that. Well, I copied you when I said it. Right, but yeah, that's not, he hasn't responded, oh, okay. And Dan Cowan, the electrician, said he would be there in February. Well, he's got a few days left. He's got four days left to do about four days of work. So I take that long to put not only all the light fixtures, which are there on site, but all the smoke and the fire alarms, get the fire alarm system going, all that stuff. Right. Exit lighting and all that. And then Lisa Ryden was supposed to come, right? She did. She did, okay. She must have been very happy. Yeah, she was, yeah. And the heat exchanger, what about the heat exchanger that you mentioned? I mean, the air thing is happening. That's happening. Air, air, air exchanger. Well, we're not gonna worry about that after we get our certificate. We know that, it really can't happen for the weather. But it has been, something about a bunch of pipes. Something about a bunch of pipes. Yeah, I had just a ducting. The ducting's there, but. Okay. If we hung the air exchanger, wherever we intend to hang it, we could easily plug into the building. We've got the lines, the pickups from out of the bathrooms and the discharge goes into the main room. But then, we have to exhaust the stale air to the outside, bring in air from the outside. So we've got to bring two eight inch ducts in from outside. I think after we get the certificate of occupancy, we need to have a discussion about what are the next steps and what is the cost. Right. What are we likely to get the certificate of occupancy? Well, let's say we've got an elevator inspected and Dan Cowan wrapped his work up today. We could probably, we could probably think about calling labor and industry part of public safety sometime in the next two or three weeks. Yeah, I mean, people have asked me, when is it gonna be usable? And I said, well. We're waiting on electricity. I said, we can't do it until we have our certificate of occupancy. That's not totally done, but that won't affect the certificate of occupancy. But as far as the code issues, there are just a couple of doors left to do. And the cable rail to put on the front steps. Yeah, don't send a nice update. That's about it. That's the other code. And now that Elise has come, can we get the grant money? She wants to see, she wants to see. It was interesting because she talked about a lot of things that actually the Arts Council didn't necessarily fund. But she is the ADA person for the Arts Council. She wants to see signs at the elevators, the panic hardware on the big historic door, which came, but came the wrong size. It was a third thing. It was a third thing. I don't know, I read your memo. Yeah, there's another little thing. Signage, which has to be a certain height of raised lettering and Braille. So you can Braille your way around and find the right bathroom. Oh, I know, she wants toilet paper holders in the ADA bath. Oh yeah, toilet paper holder. Toilet paper holder. No, toilet paper holder's the... Papers, yeah. The ADA bath. So dispenser and all the bathroom. So that they're accessible for wheelchair. Like the sink and stuff, yeah. The way this comes down to is I've got a punch list of a lot of loo jobs that take no more than an hour or an hour and a half each. Is Andy still able to help you fill in? No, I mean, one of the wonders by. Yeah. I mean, you're like specific projects. Do this, do that kind of thing. Well, he did the, he cased the windows and he probably saw the bill for that. Yeah. I think it's good, I think it's good. We're gonna play a show. We're planning a party, are we? Party? Party, yeah, there's gonna be a couple parties. At least, right? So, John, as I was mentioning to you today, when we talked, the Friends of group was imagining doing a grand reopening celebration that will also hopefully serve as something of a fundraiser. And their timeframe that they're thinking to do this in would be mid to late May. Would it be safe for them to schedule something at this point? Yeah. It's okay. Yes. Yeah. And one of the grand opening is, John, I wanna be very actively involved because we know all the people who really to thank. Yeah, yeah. Well, and also, I think John has an idea of maybe doing a soft grand opening prior to this other one. So, a soft grand opening, okay. An auguration, it's Christmas. Fine invitation, all right. And I've actually kept a list of people that I wanted to send a postcard to to make sure that they know about you. Can we get some postcards? We should get some postcards. Yeah, we should get a postcard. With a picture of the town hall. Yeah, that'd be great. We'll keep you on the CC list for this type of energy. Yeah, I'll read your notes. Thank you. Well, that list, I think so. Okay. I'll use it for him. Yeah. Barbara hasn't done it for this go round, so. Thank you guys. We'll see you at town meeting. Yes, you will. Good. John, send me an email about speckin' out of Bobcat. I will. Greg will love to do it. I will. Oh, good. All right, the trickiest part of me knowing exactly how big the flat area is between the side of the building and the septic. So he might have to go to the site, does it? It's six feet, then you're almost at anything else. Anything to put, man. It's exactly four feet, he'll take care of it for you. So the tank stuff, it's a concrete tank, isn't it? Yeah. Well, the risers or something that get in the way. There is, one of the septic tank has plastic covers on it, so you can't drive it. The big pump tank has a tall riser. So they're, I think, plus the grade drops away right after the tanks. The grade drops away dramatically. So there's a little bit of a pitch away from the building of flat and then again. And I don't know if that flat is six feet wide or four feet wide, but that don't make a difference. All that trial. Okay. Good. Thank you again. So very much. Thank you. Good night. You didn't expect us to be our time agent. No. No. Have you had supper? Yeah. I had supper. All right, so let's go through the morning. There's not a lot of, I don't think there's a lot of really controversial stuff. Pretty straightforward in this room. So what'll help me mostly is if you know who wants to move to the articles, and maybe you don't. I know that Craig Lyne usually wants to move to Callan Hubbard. Right. I assume Wilson will move the, The appropriations. What did Craig get done? Callan Hubbard? Yeah, the, really? Oh, I guess I don't remember. We have just one rep there and we have two. I think Craig is still, is Craig still a rep, isn't he? Yeah, we only have one. Yeah. All right, let's start from the beginning. Article one, I'll move to nominee Gus. And then you kind of just leave them. I'll deal with article two. You'll do two. And incumbent, do we know on article three if all the incumbents want to be elected? Do we, I gotta, oh, I'll have to check that out because I gotta look and see who needs, who's up. Take care of looking into that. I think it's Tina, Robb, Buck, and Randy. Is it Randy? I'm reading the report. Yeah, well, it's not, yeah, because it's Tina. That's an every year thing, but I'll double check on the other two. I think you're right. Article four, I can move that and that will probably raise some questions, which we can all help answer. Okay, Cemetery Commission article. I guess they'll have to speak to that themselves. The Cemetery Commission, they'll be there. Okay, who's the chair now? John Samanskas, but hopefully Jennifer will be there. And let's turn Jennifer Whitman, let's check him. So I guess I should let them know that they're gonna have to talk about the cemetery stuff. All right, article six. Cliff, do you want to do that one about the server? Sure. Town Hall, I don't mind doing that one. And hopefully, Donna and John will be there to talk about it. Okay. What, Chipper? I think John. I can do that. I was mentioning a BPR today, Gus. Yeah. That's crazy. That is so funny. On this issue? Well, as they mentioned, over $250 million will be expended at town meeting this year across the state. $180 million on a school in South Burlington. I couldn't believe it. And that's probably the only reason I was really paying attention. And then they said it ranges from $180 million for a school, new school in South Burlington to $25,000 for a used wood chipper in Calis. Big potatoes, small potatoes. Yeah. And I can call Wilson if they're gonna move to alter the warranted article. I don't think so. I haven't heard that they are. The delinquent tax stuff, that's kind of the same old, same old. I don't know that anybody will have any problem with that. Yeah, no, I think usually somebody will deal with all, somebody moves all those articles. Stephanie, you wanna do article 17? Yeah, I think she's supposed to be still here. So I will ask her to be available to talk about 17. And then the other thing I think we told you about the resolution, the gun control, the gun resolution, did that Tristan ever contact you? No. Okay. Did I give you a copy of it? No, no, you just mentioned it. I think I've actually brought it tonight to give to you if I didn't forget it. But that's likely to come to the floor, I think. I'm not positive, but. Groups staying pretty active, so I wouldn't suspect it would be there. You wouldn't? My group's been pretty active in one town, so I suspect you have a good chance he'll bring it up. Oh, okay. I brought it, see if that could give it to you. And the other thing, I can't, I don't know if anything will come of this, that cannabis. Here's the, who passed that down to us? That's the resolution that we were given that night. So that may come up. And like I said, he was a very well-spoken, very well-mannered, respectful young man. And have you heard anything about questions people might have? I tried to put together, I'm gonna work on a list of things that might come up that we wanna have answers for. Have you heard anything? I have not, you know, no store in these callas, so there's no, it's harder to get gossip. I'm working on that problem, because you know, yeah, I've heard. You heard me work on that? Okay, good. I've heard that. So, anyway, I have not heard much, like, you know, I'd be in the way of, but it also doesn't look like a controversial warning. Doug Lilley hasn't called me, I've been at the town meetings. We understand, we understand he's supposed to be there. He's gonna keep us awake. And there is gonna be just like, from 9 to 9.30, a school informational thing. There's gonna be some tables set up with information. Friends of the town hall, I think our setting up our town hall, our setting up a table. East Cowles Community Trust is setting up a table. So they'll probably, and I think there's gonna be Girl Scout cookies again like there was last year. We're trying to get those set up, not inside where people check in to vote and all that, because you're not allowed to, you're not allowed to do surveys for one, anywhere in the voting area. Lunch is by friends of the town hall. Barbara Butler's already contacted everybody. I don't know, can you think of anything else? I think, like I said, I think it's pretty quiet here, but maybe we'll be surprised and somebody'll show up and make noise. Yeah, you never know. And there's something else going on, but I can't say what it is right now. I'll have to call you. Okay. Surprise. And if somebody calls me with some big question, I'll wait, you know what it is. Yeah. What was I gonna ask? Did you get, this is not nothing to do with Calis stuff, but did you get an email about Twin Valley? Senior Senator, I sent you an email from my account there. I have three different emails. I don't remember saying it. Okay, I'll send it again. It's sent in to you at work. Okay. I can't do anything else, thank you, thank you. You're welcome. Is there any advice we can give you? Yes, I hope to give you any advice. You're good? Okay. Thanks, Gus. Thank you, Gus. See you Tuesday, is it working then? Huh, wow. I have it now. You are too. Thank you guys for taking care of some of this. So this is, this is what I wanted to call you about. Because it's kind of. Oh yeah, I am. This is gonna happen. I just forgot that. Probably the other comes. You've been our own way. You got it, you got it. And I'm not decided yet. I'm gonna talk to the board tonight so let me just make a little copy of that. You can just look at the reality check. But I'll pull out of this. Yeah, I want to just make a copy because I'm gonna go over it because we might want to make a few changes. We need you to let me know. I'm gonna stop these things. So the one thing we should know about that is if there's a guy who writes those for the legislature, so go ahead and pull out of this one. But I know he was 81. He was the most right. Yeah, he's the one who has a posture for the janitor. So, if there's a more, go on. Yeah, it's up the dumps. Yeah. I think he's got a lot of nice photos. I'm looking at. Yeah. Toby did a lot of the photos. Yeah. Okay, anything else? Gus, let us know. Okay. If we hear anything, I'll give you a shout. Okay, let's see next week. What's your phone number at work? 828-325-1. 32. 5. I know that to you, I've hate that field. Haven't you? Stan Morse's the field north of his barn. What page is it? Page 65. It's really nice when you're raking or whatever you're doing to mowing. You get to look at the. Oh, it makes me miss him. Yeah, doesn't it? Yeah, me too. It's got that little feel for a second there. Yeah. Good night. Thank you, Gus. Okay, so the morning is on page. Rose is looking for it. Six. Can I see your paper? Your paint on it? Yeah. The maple leaves in the corner. She's got a painting, that's awesome. Oh, here it is. Six. Is Diane Fitzgerald gonna come to tell me? Yes. She is? Yeah. That's good. Diane. Diane. I'm not sure. I don't know. I don't see you. If you guys think of questions that you think we might get asked, so I can put them on a list and have a possible answer like we did last year. Let me know. And I'll contact these other committees and all that stuff. And then the budget starts on page 43. So I'm gonna go through and review it again before town meeting. I think we're in good shape. You guys feel like you're in good shape? Yeah, I mean like what Gus said, it seems kind of like I don't wanna use the word easy, but smooth sailing. Yeah. That's what it seems like. I think the usual things are gonna, you know, they'll talk about the roads and. Good, thank you. Maybe. Well, I think we'll like talk about the road commissioners leave for that same. Right, and we can just, and I think the answer to that is the select board approved his leave and it's a personnel matter. We can discuss it. Very well. Oh yeah. That's true. And people might bring up, you know, their dissatisfaction with the roads. So I think we can all put together a little verb of where we're at with that study with UVM. You guys all got that email about. What's along with that? You heard anything, Katie? No. Well, he said, if you hear anything or if you think of something that you think might come up, let me know and I'll put it on our list. I guess that's kind of it on town meetings, don't you have anything you can think of for town meetings? You know, that's, there may be questions about the painting and the server, but those are things that just have to happen. I think if there's any objections to the server. And worship downtown government. Well, I think other members of the office staff are going to be dancing there. I mean, it's on the subject, so. And this, in this day and age, I'm sorry, we just gotta have this. Yeah, I mean, and that, I mean, we might get a lot of pushback about that because, you know. Well, we have to spend money either way. So, I mean, we want to spend it all in one year and we want to take that amount so we can minimize the impact that we're trying. Right. And then what we're doing is the corrective action is we will have a more informed figure for our tech fund every year because we will be meeting with our newly anointed IT service provider on an annual basis to do this gap analysis. Right, yeah. And then next time, we won't have to take that amount or we'll already have them. Right, right. We're kind of learning as we go, you know, to have these funds and to get ahead and, you know, we're doing what we can do. Right. All right, next up the floor, if everybody's okay with moving on. We have liberal licenses from Able Corner Community Store and the Whammy Bar and Atomac Co-op. These are just renewals. These are just renewals. So this is, which one is this? This must be Able Corner Community Center. Now this is Atomac Co-op and they've provided their check. They have one for department liquor and one goes to the town, $70 each. And they are asking a renewal of their liquor license. And this is only to sell liquor, they don't serve it. So is there a motion to approve the reauthorization of the liquor license for Atomac Community Co-op? So moved. Second. Okay, is there any discussion or questions? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. All right, I'll send this to Ariane. And that's all for wine and beer, just to be clear. Right, yeah, they don't sell hard liquor there. Yes. Have a board of commissioners in the town and then Judy has to sign it. So there's Atomac Co-op. Make a corner is a little different because they use the hard liquor at the whammy bar. Correct? So this is the liquor license for the store. Remember we just barely did this, but it has to come up for a renewal. This is the time of year they renew. And this is the liquor license for the whammy. Just going to double check and see if there's two places which was designed. This one here says Maple Corner Community Store. And this is the 2020 liquor license renewal. Oh, this is tobacco from Maple Corner Store. I wonder why Judy said it was whammy. Okay, I see. So there's liquor renewal license for the store. There's cigarettes for the store. Right, this is tobacco for the store. And then there is the whammy. So it's three different things. The whammy bar. The whammy bar. The store. And tobacco store. And they've got their checks here. The state and for the town. So would somebody like to make a motion to approve all three renewals? Is there a second? Second. All right, any questions? Any changes? It's straight renewal. Yeah, straight renewal. All those in favor please say aye. Aye. All right. Chris Cross, I'm seeing on which one you're doing. This is, this is the whammy. All right, Phil back, it's just such a beautiful job. Doesn't she do, she does an amazing job. We're very lucky that she's still doing it from. You know, she was like in another state. This, which one is not? That's liquor. Maple Corner Community Store. This is the restaurant. I think if you look down below, right? Restaurant? Restaurant, yep. And this one is tobacco but I don't see a place to sign. Maybe we don't have to, I don't remember, right? I mean, we don't have to sign on. Probably. Tobacco on now, it's just. Yeah, probably. But either way. I believe liquor and tobacco, they're both for the skinner, so it's just water. But either way, we've approved them. Can you hand me a paper? Yeah, and this is the store. Those did you sign on? No, I only signed one so far. The local hazard mitigation planning team have done some more research into that. And they're talking about six to seven meetings over the course of like the next, maybe through the falls kind of. And this is for, we have a local hazard mitigation plan right now that you have to update it like every five years. I'm willing to sit on that. I talked to Katie's husband, Brian, and he's gonna talk to Katie and see whether it's okay if he sits on that, unless he has to check with his work. I've talked to Planning to see if they can appoint somebody. And I was also gonna check with Nick Emlin, who's helped us with our local emergency operation. Good idea. So they're looking at like maybe five people. Can you guys think of anybody else? Do you recommend that highway police? Oh, yeah, I'm gonna ask Toby. Ask Toby. And they schedule the meetings, they do the agendas, so you just gotta show up. So, is everybody good with that? Yeah, sounds good. Did you list all those people in one? Anybody have any other thoughts on that or concerns, questions? Okay, you wanna do an IT update? Guess what? We don't have any internet. Yeah, no internet. We don't have internet. The directors out of the Maple Corner Board neglected that check some boxes here. Which one is that? Is that Maple Corner or is that an internet? Before they turn this in, you need to Maple Corner. Oh, let's have a sticky. Do they have to fill that in? They asked them if they've ever like has any tax murdered anybody or fences, criminal fences. Because they filled it in some of it. They did it here. I was gonna say they did it on another one. Right, I saw that. So, you're gonna have to check those boxes. Any other IT updates? We're getting our slot reserved for server replacement when the time comes. More good feedback from the office staff on some recent issues that came up and that went up with expediently and to everyone's ultimate satisfaction. Good. Holland was right on it. You go in and look at what's in there. One thing I'm really happy to see is that everything is clearly labeled. Yay, that's been a while coming. Where's the Wi-Fi box in here? It's the little white disk on the top shelf underneath. Oh, that is. That's nice. What about the antenna? I don't think those antennas work better than that. It's actually is evolving because now there's a whole new thing that doesn't weigh with antennas completely and covers a greater area. Pretty soon, you'll have a three-story house basement main floor and you'll just need one device to connect for any room in the house. So, that's what we need to do. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Pretty soon, we'll be blowing the dark. Yeah, I know. That's what I'm worried about. Walk it out and plug this and re-plug it in. I already did. Still doesn't work. That's weird. I know. Okay. Could they break those boxes? Well, you can connect to it. It just is not connected to the internet. Right. So, it's not anything in here, probably it's something out there. Probably. I mean, if I had time, I could do some troubleshooting and make sure that that's the case, but that would be my guess. Yeah. Let me get online with them on the Telephone. They're 24-7. It's awesome service, I was going to say. It's a 1-800 number. Any questions on my T? No, friends. Friends. Friends are moving my lawn. It's too bad we don't have the connection because I had some close friends to show you. It's out of the hall. Yes. There is a website under construction. Facebook page under construction. There is, I can email. You can see it now for the link, right? And it looks like there's a logo that's going to be approved. It's pretty slick looking. Yeah. Bob Haddon doing it for us at his discount. Looking at doing this grand reopening slash fundraiser, as I mentioned earlier, it would be mid to late May. Probably you're looking at possibly that arts weekend, doing a Sunday afternoon thing to this evening. They would, the question that has come up is, it takes money to raise money. So to set up this event, they're hoping that the select board would be willing to help fund that. Hard to get a definitive figure right now, but we thought probably $1,000 would be sufficient seed to get that event fully funded in gear. Once we have a better idea of what it's going to be, that figure comes more defined, but in rough numbers, that's probably the top end, $1,000. Other than that, the most recent activities are getting ready for the town meeting, having a table there. There will be options for people to join the friends of, with the special offer of sign up now and you get it free for the first year. And that allows us to build up a mailing list of potential supporters. And there will be a takeaway, a simple strip, just some important information perhaps for people to be aware of. Live and in person. We have an all the waiting. No, we're catching up on stuff. You can listen. Really fast. Oh, no. Yeah, that's pretty much it for friends. Any questions there? No, it sounds like fun. Yeah. The one thing you missed is that the friends will be coming to the site board with regards to this grand reopening and hoping that the site board will be willing to shake loose some money. We haven't fully defined what that grand reopening is going to look like. I want to help. We'll definitely be looking for volunteers and we're thinking of a budget of somewhere around $1,000, which is probably going to be sufficient. But once we have a better idea of what the event is actually and it consists of, we can better define that number. I would want it to be on the Friends of committee, but I already got too many. Not Friends committees. Don't you think so? Not like five. Well, there is an alternative that came up, as it often does, and David is around the ongoing discussion regarding the chandelier. So it's been proposed that David started Friends of the Town Hall chandelier. No, he said when we started this whole town hall he was going to take care of the chandelier number. He's taking care of it. He is. Are you getting it professionally cleaned? That's what that means? Right now, the first step is getting a matching set of gloves, which has turned out to be much more difficult than originally imagined. What you got for him? Diameter base or something. Yeah, and getting correct. Nancy and Artie, exactly. Nancy and Artie have been scouring the state, looking for anything from the restore place, or swap meets, or online, Craigslist, anything. They haven't been able to find anything. So David is now going to tap into some of his historical supplier sources, and he's pretty sure. So he doesn't want to get reproductions. He wants to get original. The go reproductions, if that's the only route that's available. First, he wants to rule out all possibilities of getting a genuine article. Because didn't he say, before it was electrified, wasn't it a gas oil? Gas, gas, gas. And so that would have been, obviously, thicker glass. And there are some on there that have some etching, some that don't. Any original ones on there? We think that there are at least a couple of original ones. You can tell by the glass, right? Right. Like, oh, you're smoking. It's amazing how that fixture means so much to so many people. For all the years that we've had Tom eating there. People want him to get rid of it. They don't like it. Really? Oh, I feel attached to it. So doesn't David? I never wanted to sit under it. I was afraid. No, me either. I think I'm down. Well, it's been raised. It's a little bit higher in the room so that John Cullad doesn't bump his head on it anymore. Oh, good. And yeah, it's a little more secure, I think, too. Jim would bump his head on it, too. Yep. You can see a picture up on the shelf there of John standing underneath it with plenty of clearance. That's a good picture. That was after John was raised. After the building had been raised and the foundation put on here. Nice. All right, thank you. Couple of other things. I sent you folks all of the stuff that UVM sent. Remember, I followed up with them to see where they were at. Toby's provided them with the maps. There was an email I didn't get a chance to look at before. We came tonight from Gregory responding to stuff that Toby sent. So they're making progress. So I think stuff about roads, I think, probably could come up at town meeting. I think we can just do a quick blurb about we're working on it. We've got these engineering students involved. It's a thing about being able to monitor where the trucks are plowed so people can plan their trips. That's on the books of things to do. So I think we're making progress. And I want the select board to be really proud of all of the stuff that we have worked on this year, from roads, to unions, to budgets, to you name it. I mean, if you look at some of the highlights at Town Hall, you guys are awesome. You're just awesome. I can't say enough good things about how hard everybody works, how much everybody knows what's going on. So I just wanted to, from me to you, I really appreciate everything that you guys all do and the dedication that you have. We couldn't do it without you. Thank you. And thank you also for doing such a detailed iteration of all of those highlights in the select board before you could tell. Somebody really went back and looked at all the minutes. Well, thanks, Katie. Thank you. Town meeting prep, we kind of already did that. Office update, a couple things. The member, I don't know if it was last time or the last time it was in the office, I can't remember, but Steeplechase has submitted the final plan for the interoffice proposed redesign. I asked you today, and they're not going to have a chance to look at it till after town meeting in their squad. The other good news is you remember that back maybe a year or more ago, I was doing a lot more work meeting with the staff a lot and you authorized me to be paid $500 a month, came up a couple times on the agenda. I think at this point, I haven't taken any pay since November, based on something that was read into the minutes several months ago. So at this point, I've checked in with the staff, it's they're amazing. They've got things under control. I still am involved, but I don't feel the need to be paid. So I would like, and then Cliffs jumped in and we had all this IT stuff with it. So I think, don't you feel like everything's in really good shape? Yeah, we met with the office staff and they said there was definitely a period of transition where they were really glad we were here, but now they feel that they've gotten over the hump on that and things are running smoothly. And they have no problem raising a flag if they need us to step in and help address something. And that's what they do. I'll give an email at home and call somebody or suggest this or that. So I think just the addition of Barbara's two hours, I think, has really helped Sandra. And that's a really bargain price to get that help. So I would like the board to, since you all voted to pay me, I would like you to vote to now not pay me. Choose not to take pay. Well, like I said, I haven't taken anything since November. I'd rather see it out there in case things change. So you can just opt not to take pay and just inform Sandra that that's what I propose. OK, I can do that. But I just wanted you to know, things have smoothed out. We've got a really awesome office staff. They're very dedicated. They know their jobs at this point. And like I said, with the addition of Barbara, that's really helped Sandra a lot. You haven't heard Sandra saying anything lately. So I think it's really good. That's good. Yeah, it's very good. So I had a question. If anybody might bring this up also at town meeting about a town administrator or select board assistant or something. So do you feel that right now we are doing well? And I hear what you're saying. And I just wanted to know. I think we're good. Katie has done more than what she was doing, which is really helpful. So if anybody at town meeting says, well, we had this charter and we're going to do this and that. So now you don't even have a select board administrator or something. The way we've restructured. Right. And I think the office staff is comfortable with the way things are working. They're comfortable talking to me and asking Cliff for IT stuff and coming to the board. They're very comfortable with the board as Judy does. Yeah, which is great. So at this point in our development, yeah, we don't feel like we need to hire another person. The people that we have are expert in town running Calis. And you remember, we tried that and it was not helpful. It was actually more work than it was supposed to be. And I think Calis is a different community. It works for some communities and it doesn't work. Like Woodbury, for instance, they don't have a town administrator or a administrator. So I think you have to do it based on what you know about your town and how it works and the people. And people don't. What I found, people didn't want to talk to a non-resident town administrator. They wanted to talk to people on the board. Yeah, don't hold that in. And because we're accessible, we're on the board. We respond to the public. So I think because we're so good and accessible, that people, that's what they want to do with it. It fills our sense of community that we're all from here. We have a vested interest. We care about the community. We want to be fiscally responsible, but they want to take care of everybody. Right, and because I asked the other staffs that, you feel like you're doing work that you shouldn't have to do. Because remember, we had that issue. And they're all fine. They're all good. So yay, yay for counts. OK, good. And we can't do minutes, because we can't get anything up on the internet. But we're going to go into the executive session to discuss some personnel matters and per one VSA 313A3 and legal matters on VSA 313A1E. And Katie, it's on the bottom of the agenda, so you can just copy it from there. And Katie. 845. Yeah. And Katie, are you going to be taking minutes at town meeting? Yeah, yeah. What time would you like me to arrive? We might meet at 9. I don't know if anybody's going to take notes from us. You said it's a pre-meeting school meeting. Yeah, there's going to be an open hour. That's why I don't feel compelled that we need to go to the one on Monday night, which is at U32. And I have a plan for us for that night. So that was a motion to go into the executive session for those reasons. Would somebody like to second it? Yes. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye.