 That's the best part of what we're talking about, the practicality and transfer of training, so as I was just mentioning, we started to get into this thing around money and had a request to get more into talking about that, money, finances, investment. You've got an award for that for it. Okay. I had an old swarm of bees one time. I was outwards. Excuse me. So, I thought we could talk about it and then it dawned on me that that was part of France's journey, a financial manager, financial planner and she had her own company eventually. So that shows you where it's what you may develop in terms of the world and then what happens practically speaking when the Holy Spirit and Jesus of your intuition takes over as far as guiding you. And that's what makes it so fascinating because that is really a good question about investments. He was sharing, what's your name again? John. John was sharing with me during the break that he's had a lot of money through investments that he's lost where people have kind of absconded, just gone off with the money and not just for him but for lots of people. There's all kinds of different scams in the world where you invest in something and then not only isn't there maybe the return you're expected but your principle, everything. People just kind of go off with things. And that's almost like another version of the idea of the people owe you money. This is where you invest in something. John invested in things that seemed very good hard even. Investing in putting solar panels on schools. It's not like investing in defense spending bombs and AK grenades and guns and everything. It's investing in putting solar panels on schools. Or it was a wind turbine using alternate energy other than coal and typical things. And then what was the third one? Converting waste into energy. Converting waste into energy. Those seem to be actually really good things generally to invest in and then having the money just taken. And so I thought we could tie that into the idea too of self-concept and because that was with you being financial planner and actually financial planners are paid to invest wisely. So maybe we can start to explore from your experiences what does it mean to invest wisely? Because if you follow the rules of the world and you invest wisely according to what the world would say is wise we hear stories every day about pensions being stolen after years of decades of being put into and we hear stories of unfair treatment and victimization of people absconding with money and so on and so forth. It must mean that we need to go really deeper around this idea of investment and start to really look at what an investment is. What does it mean to loan money or lend money? And like John was saying it's been working through anger like you mentioned with going there to the bank and working through anger with it and then getting to maybe partial states of not caring anymore maybe kind of throwing in the towel like, ah, it's just too much mind energy to be put into that but there's still something like it may come back or probably not. So I thought because of your background in that maybe we would start looking at the whole idea of investment because I think all of us, whenever we think of investment we think of investing wisely, we put those words together and what is it for? What is the purpose of the investment? Maybe we need to go deeper into the very idea of investments to look at what is the purpose and you've gone through that. It's kind of a fear of the fear that we may not have it ourselves against the law. So it can have a time component, a future component too. I would say too investing, when I say what is it for let me get into the question of valuing. What is an investment? Sometimes we talk about an investment of time for example anybody who's ever been a parent could say with children they're an investment of time. Before you don't have them and you have them and there's the use of time seems to go in a different way after children. But let's explore that investment idea. I guess just getting into that career and myself as well is very much into investment in stock market and also accumulation. The notion behind investment is to get more. That's different ways of trying to get more, trying to play with the market so that we can have some mechanism to establish some security. Security in portfolio, security to protect future contingency so that we feel secure and safe and to have more of safety or more of freedom that we can get through money. That was really the motivation behind it. And to get more we play this vast concept called the market which means other people lose so that I can play the game well enough that I can get more. That is really what is happening but we don't directly relate to other people's loss. We play with the market. We beat the market so that I can get above average. So that is the thing that I grew up with and I played with and also with real estate. I guess where I lived at the time in Australia, the real estate market, I was very much into looking at market trends and how the best way to keep money and grow is to buy properties. So I bought a property as a resident and that's not investment. I have to buy a second one purely for investment purpose. To lock in security. One is not enough to eventually more. That is the plan but the experience was there was never enough. When I got one, I feel panic because there is no security. I need to buy the second one to feel a little more secure. It was just that kind of thing that was going on. I was just talking with Sandy in the break. Sandy said, do you remember you came to my house. I said, I am thinking of going to David Hofmeister's monastery and I said I am so scared. She said, you don't have to go but you can go if you want to. I said I am so scared. She said she never saw me afterwards and it was always in her mind whether she said the right thing or not. How it played out, what my experience was. I just feel good to hear that and I forgot how scared I was. It was an experience of having so much to lose and nothing real or tangible that I know to get. That was the kind of experience. I didn't really know what I was going for tendrally but I knew everything I had to lose by walking away from the life. The interesting thing is with money, I have to say I have never felt secure and peaceful and when I had money, when I had any accumulation I never felt less fear. The fear was consistent and I had to keep justifying the fear because of the fear of the future loss. I had to justify building up more security to protect the future loss. Not until I let go of the accumulation and the possession I started to suddenly experience the peace that I had never had before. And it was only in that moment I realized the fear was never the fear about future loss. The fear actually comes with accumulating and it's so opposite from what we were taught in this world. It was completely opposite but that was the experience. I guess even with the people owning me money I had experiences of that as well. People owning me money and just chose not to give back. I had some interesting experiences. One experience was a friend borrowed money, $1,500 and refused to pick up phone calls from me and then eventually moved to Melbourne from Sydney so I knew I couldn't pursue it anymore but there was no peace in my mind. And what happened afterwards was I got into an accident, a car accident because I was just parked in reverse, parked on a very steep hill. I was trying to press the gas so hard in order to move forward but I didn't realize I was on the reverse gear so I pressed so hard and I just hit the car behind me so hard the whole street looked like everybody was looking at me. So I thought, okay I left my insurance number, phone number on the other car and the next day I came back and I was told by the neighbors that that car was an abandoned car for years that the city council was happy to tow it away and there was no consequence but my own car I had to pay because I didn't have the full coverage and the amount that I had to pay was the exact amount of how much I spent only $1500 that I had to pay the mechanic to fix my car and if everything happened I had to go to my insurance company and they pay the mechanic, fix my car and the insurance company couldn't find the regular, I couldn't pay them. So they actually wiped out the whole payment, I couldn't pay them and the two amount was exactly the same and I thought my dad just got wiped few days after I dropped the pursuit of my friend and the exact amount, I was thinking this is not a coincidence this is the spirit is teaching me I am the one that provides you it's my money and I direct and you don't worry about loss because I will show you I can perform miracles and it was very very convincing for me that experience then a few years later I got into another one a business partner that only $5000 just didn't really communicate anymore and I was already involved with the monastery so I didn't know what to do so I chose to write a letter to him laid out all my frustration and pain and fear and not with the intent to get the money but just treating him as someone that can help me because of all this emotion that I was dealing with on a daily basis I wanted to do that so I wrote him this long email about how I was feeling and thinking and by attack thoughts and I sent a letter to him and we arranged a meeting later on after I left the United States and went back to Sydney we arranged a meeting and we just talked and talked it didn't really give me all the money I could part of it after that but it was an experience of what really what is that for because I was guided to treat it in such a way of complete transparency and sharing with someone I would not normally choose to do that so it's just like the spirit does have a way to show the lesson and the lesson is never something that I know in the moment from the egoic mind so yeah I guess that's what I can think of when you talk about investment and money yeah that's beautiful it gives us that turning it around that's the purpose of my mind and that's the key to turn it all around and I think two for me is like when you think of like the state of nirvana or heaven or oneness there is no sense of lack there is no sense of reciprocity of giving to get of gain of loss all the things that are tied into the earth realm are all made up by the ego and so the ego even advances its own religion so if you be a good boy, a good girl then you'll get on God's favor then you get into heaven if you don't, you go to hell so then you're paralyzed to do the right thing be good, don't do the wrong thing then you really get interested about sin okay what's the sin now? I'm paying attention now what am I supposed to not do? I'm trying to really pay attention what are the rules here? you know it's like reminds me of that Santa Claus song he sees you when you're sleeping he knows when you're awake he knows that you've been bad or good so be good for goodness sake sounds like it's projected onto God like God is like God is watching us God is watching us God is watching us from a distance is that supposed to be comforting? it's a bit scary we're being watched and all of our actions are being watched we better be good or go to hell we have to go beyond that way of thinking we don't have to think like that anymore that way of thinking is there's a lot of guilt and shame involved in that so an investment is like before we look at what are good investments what are bad investments I would say basically that because heaven is pure oneness that any belief or concept or thought that involves duality in any way shape or form is a bad investment if heaven is oneness and duality is error you wouldn't want to invest in duality in fact many of us were raised in religions that were dualistic heaven and hell you get rewarded if you're good you do the right moral things and you're punished there's a lot of religions there's a lot of philosophies there's a lot of thought systems modern day new age thought systems prosperity consciousness versus poverty consciousness you want to get all linked into the prosperity consciousness so you can get all the goodies that come from prosperity thinking and you don't want to be in poverty consciousness because it's going to be lack well who set up prosperity consciousness and poverty consciousness you see again if you're even investing in that kind of model at some point you have to begin to question that especially if you're going for awakening awakening from the dream of duality so money is a good example we've talked about that how money is like supercharged because it's just an image it's just a concept but it's charged with this gain and loss thing we project all kinds of things onto it so it goes from being just nothing just a symbol of nothing to something that seems to be extremely meaningful and then there's a lot of stress and expectation that are tied into giving meaning where there is no meaning in fact that's lesson number two from the workbook of A Course in Miracles Jesus said I have given everything I see including money all the meaning that it has for me there's even lessons in the Course where lesson 76 Jesus starts to poke fun at money he says you really believe you would star unless you had stacks of green paper strips and piles of metal discs now he's going to be humorous he's going to start poking fun at this thing of course if the Course was written in these days we could get into little plastic cards you really believe you would star without your plastic card or your plastic cards so he is poking fun and he also mentions that in lesson 50 of the workbook I am sustained by the love of God he says in this world you believe that you are sustained by everything but the love of God pills, money protective clothing being liked knowing the right people oh he's getting psychological being liked knowing the right people anticipating Facebook decades later Jesus is talking about being liked you see it's all he's got it all covered he did it years before Facebook was even invented he's poking fun at being liked how many likes did you get does it really matter you write a profound quote of spiritual wisdom and you put a post of a girl with a bikini on which one is going to get the most likes you see it shows the fineness of this world he's poking fun at things so with the question about investment purpose and when we bring in money we could say it's not the money itself because the money itself is nothing or neutral it's just a symbol but what is the right use of money so that's a good topic to go into what's the right use of money what's the most helpful use of money it would have to be money the use of money is guided by the Holy Spirit and Jesus is the right use of money it's not like you don't have to have a high degree to get this it's money that you use according to guidance that brings you free of guilt it's just another mechanism just like using the body the ego will try to use it for its own purposes to keep you identified with it and guilty and the spirit will try to use the body in a way that helps you go beyond its purpose meeting in this world and come back to a unified awareness that's your mind you've never been in a body even not once he does talk about that in the manual for teachers he talks about how many teachers of God does it take to save the world one but he qualifies it by saying that one is not a body or in a body so in order to wake up you have to come to an experience that you've never been in a body never, not once, not one minute it wasn't you it was a dream it was a misperception it was a false memory now when we talk about investing with the spirit then there's a workbook lesson that says I will step back and let him lead the way that's a very good lesson in following the spirit but that has to do with your body with your diet with your money, with your use of words even with your use of words that would all have to be under the same I will step back and let him lead the way you see it's going to be the guidance that will take the symbols including money and take your mind and unwind it from an egoic identification into above the battleground or from a higher perspective where you just can look upon the world in softness and just see it as like a bunch of leaves dancing in the wind with no meaning attached to anything no sense of loss or gain if money is just a neutral symbol how could it be gained or lost it's like I have a really good gain of nothing today I checked this newspaper and my my nothing lost seven points oh my nothing gained four points you see if you started putting the word nothing in place of those kind of things it would start to get kind of comical the gain and the loss of nothing we're living in the land of Shakespeare or at least the name Shakespeare we know there are other stories behind that but the world is what much to do about nothing we've got another profit along with one from Liverpool we got it goes back a few years much to do about nothing he was teaching us that we put investments into images and then we get all bent out of shape about the meaning that we created so in my experience the most helpful way of dealing with investments is starting to realize that this is the world of symbols all of these symbols including the stars and the planets and the people and the mountains and the oceans it's a world of symbols and the most important question to ask is who's in charge of the symbols if this body is a symbol who's the puppeteer or remember the old crossbow puppeteers who's holding who's holding the crossbow is the most important question because if the ego is running the body well you know your mind is going to continue on in slavery because it's the one pulling the strings of the puppet and that will keep the body and really the mind in chains believing that it's in a body and the spirit will use it in a different way how do we get there well we start with ideas like Christianity they talk about a born again experience or they talk about giving your life over to Jesus Christ isn't that something we've heard in Christianity for centuries give your life over to Jesus Christ practically speaking what could that even mean except I give over control of the puppet I give over control of the house control of the children control of everything and the rules for decision and of course the miracles Jesus says you only have one remaining problem you still believe that you must handle certain aspects of your life on your own that's the only problem of is not giving everything over to spirit that's the only problem in fact it wouldn't matter what your situation is in this world but if you had one of those conversion experiences I mean complete conversion of like I resign now as my own teacher I need to be taught by one who has transcended time and space as a better teacher than my ego to find oh I think maybe it's time I tune in to the way the truth of the life and not try to run some aspects of my own this is the common thing where people say please help me out with my daily situation Jesus please help me with my my relationship with my husband or wife but then there will be exceptions stay away from my children don't you touch my children that's mine you're a busy guy anyway I've got enough I can deal with teenagers but still stay away you know if you do that you're making an exception or you can do that with your funding you can have my relationships okay I'm generous you can take my children my pet and my dog alright take the dog too but get out of my bank account that's going too far with Starbucks and I like to put extra cream I don't want you fooling in my bank account you see you make an exception in some aspect of your life that's going to bring heavy consequences because if you're not giving it over to Jesus who are you giving it to the ego you're letting a death wish run your mind it's like giving over the reins okay Jesus no no death wish here I'll give you the finances death wish and Jesus can have the children in the house it's almost like a divorce settlement but if you believe in the death wish and Christ then you still got you can't believe in God and money it says in the bible you can't believe in God and mammon you can't push your desire for peace and put other things on the altar it's got to be 100% so that's what we're going through is a conversion experience how does it play out in practical ways well princess has already said when she was into maintaining accumulating investing there was fear that's her witness in testimony you invest in those kind of things the future making a better future security in the future that is saying you're investing in the death wish and you will suffer the consequences not in reality but in awareness of investing in the death wish you get death emotions from investing in the death wish guilt, pain, shame lack, depression you get the whole bundle of investing in that way how has it gone in my life well people can say well you have your cult to speak for God and you have a teaching function and let the voice for God speak through you you can do that in your localities but for me it went David did not like to travel David was not a traveler so this was not David's plan to go to 40 countries when I first left the United States Argentina people were like wow why did you go to Argentina I was told I was given the instructions to go to Argentina it really was wonderful it took blinders away from me and it's opened up many other visits to many many different countries but it came in a way where the airline tickets were given through frequent flyer miles business class all kinds of things that came in that really I had nothing to do with personally you might say I'm willing to serve and then it just comes in but it's given in a way where there's no investment the Holy Spirit doesn't have any investment in the symbols they're just using the symbols to undo the investment in the symbols using time to have you have no investment in linear time that's how it works to take you to a place of silence and wordlessness you see how it's using them without any investment in them where the ego has great investment in time and words and money it's got huge investments so over the years I've had lots of parables and lots of wonderful experiences but it has always been a sense of back to listen and follow which is what we talked about at the beginning trust, listen and follow and don't question the guidance you know when at one point Jesus was telling me he was saying urban urban ministry and I was like urban ministry because I've been going around to all these countries and all these places urban ministry I said what is urban ministry turns out what became behind urban ministry was that I was supposed to buy a house in Mexico I know nothing about buying houses in other countries I don't really know how much about it in the United States but to buy a house in Mexico urban ministry turns out where he wants his house is very close to the second largest city in all of Mexico the urban part and a city with hundreds of course America's groups he's getting a house near hundreds a city with hundreds in Cursa de Milagros actually to be more specific Espanol which actually the course book has sold more versions more books in Espanol than the original English interesting and so through a series of events I was guided it's a whole parable and story but even involving things that I did in the United States that all seem to make this possible and yet clearly for me behind the whole thing is I'm just following instructions why is that important is because that's the purpose of everything is for what serves the plan of awakening that's the only purpose that a house has is serving the plan of awakening it doesn't have any other purpose it's like a symbol that's being used in the plan and the course of miracles it says Jesus was the first one ever to accomplish his part completely in history so therefore Jesus is now in charge of the plan of awakening before he was like all of us discerning listening to the Holy Spirit going through his trials and tribulations like all of us do but when he accepted the atonement which means he totally reconnected with God I and the Father are one he is now in charge not he the man but this Christ's presence is in charge of the entire plan of awakening that's the boss you want to talk about earthly bosses transfer that over now we've got a new boss the boss isn't the one that pays you in this world that's a trick the boss is the one who's completed the plan of atonement and who knows the way back home to God that's a good boss to have considering if you want peace of mind you want somebody who's actually done it as my leader not somebody who's a good chance I don't want that as my leader a good chance I want an accomplished awakened mind to be the leader and therefore in that sense the Jesus says I will perform miracles through you if you will be a willing miracle worker and then he goes on to say I will perform miracles for you if you will perform miracles oh now the boss is not just any old boss arranged time and space oh we've got a quantum boss now quantum boss this boss can do anything can pull any strings can rearrange anything this is where you really get into the glory of Jesus truly and he can arrange time and space for you if you're willing to perform your part in the plan so then that's where we get back to the investments if he's the boss and his word is everything then you need to tune in to what the boss wants right even in this world you're supposed to do that with your boss at work but this is even more important because it's about your peace of mind and your eternal rest as a creation of God so in that sense we learn to tune in and say what do you want we don't assume what the boss wants and then find out later the boss didn't want that you pray you ask and in that sense that's where your joy comes from your joy comes from following the boss because who is the boss this you is the real you not the impostor mess you but the actual you the perfect son of God the perfect creation so that's so beautiful because then your joy becomes and listening and following I had people ask me that when this house came open and Jesus says I want this house it was one of those situations in terms of the finances for it well it will just take about all of the finances to buy this house it's almost like you got a little table with a pile of chips you gotta put the whole the whole thing in what about the furniture don't worry about that I want this house what about other things that are going on ministry and salaries when the boss wants the house I had people coming up to me well it's too tight too risky don't put all your money in one basket it's not my money you don't understand it's not my money it's not my money that is going to bring you peace of mind it's not my money it's not my body it's not my house it's not my children cute little cat it's not my cat some of you remember Peter Sellers movie the pink panther where he goes off on the one trip and he goes into the hotel and Peter Sellers inspector Tussaud he goes up and he's talking to the inf I think it was in Switzerland Australia and maybe Australia he goes up to the guy and he looks down and sees the dog and so looks at the the inn's owner and says does your dog bite and the guy goes no so Cousou goes down I thought she said your dog did not bite that is not my dog you see in humor the man was telling the truth that is not my dog are you how willing are you to go with that how invested are you in children and bodies and dogs and houses and clothes and cars how invested are you in ownership how invested are you in possession because the degree that your mind is invested in possession is the degree that your mind is invested in guilt and fear to the same degree and that is why even Jesus and the apostles we have St. Francis we have a beautiful scene all the way through history it is all brand new that is too far we have actually had prophets we have had avatars we have had saints we have had people live this out we have had people demonstrate that to us that love does not possess even the Beatles what did the prophets agree English prophets had to say love can't buy me love everybody tells me so can't buy me love no no no no how definitive does it have to be for you for your mind that this is where the trust kicks in so when we talk about investments we all we have to do is turn the book open to page to workbook less than 50 and have Jesus tell it to his face you believe you are sustained by everything but love it's like you believe you're going against the Beatles you're going against the Beatles you can't do that this is Britain here I don't care if you have eggs you are not but please don't go against the fed four you can't buy me love they're telling you all you need is love they're giving it to you straight and when you go against that and you try to take ownership ownership of things then that's where you're inviting the death wish you're feeding the death wish that's the key of it all it's really very very direct well in heaven nothing is owned there is no duality there's no owners and things objects to be owned so basically ownership possession this is an invention of the ego and it's a value of the ego and to the extent that you give value to the values that basically you're asking for guilt which is a very unnatural emotion love is very natural guilt is very unnatural but it comes from this and this so so many things we feel guilty subconsciously there's a great guilt underneath it in fact Jesus is very practical again with that where he does come out in the text and he says ownership is a dangerous concept if left to you so he's saying we're going to have to go through some mind training here and when he says ownership is a dangerous concept he's not saying that ownership is dangerous as a concept in and of itself but if left to the ego which is following you it's very dangerous if left to the spirit then it's just back to the symbols the spirit can use the symbol to undo the symbol uses time to undo time uses ownership to undo ownership you see how it's sent in the right direction so that is really the key is you see how deep it goes in terms of investments and when your trust level goes high you can start to relax and you start to just let the spirit use the symbols I think Wayne Dyer before he passed away one of his great teachings was he said the body and everything that we experience on earth is like on loan it's like leased to us or loaned to us for the purpose of forgiveness that's the only purpose that anything has is to forgive it so instead of my body, my car, my house my bank account these are like symbols that are kind of on loan for just a temporary temporary period of time so we can undo the belief in them undo the investment in them So if you go back to your house in Mexico if you take ownership of it then one can feel guilty because you've got something that someone else hasn't got but just seeing it as a symbol for a greater good it then becomes something else Yeah I think that we even have symbols in this world called non-profit organizations there are a lot of work seemingly to account for everything but that's just a symbol it's like a stepping stone idea and where there's no sense of personal ownership so there's no name the personal name on that house for example which is just a symbol and then even that you'd have to have a group of people that are integrists and trusting and following because the whole point of it is you might say it's Jesus's house so he'll do with that house whatever he whatever serves the plan but all those symbols are just temporary symbols too they're just there and they're gone they're all just designed to free the mind they don't have any value in and of themselves so as we get into this you start to realize wow this is good because then all I want to do then is start to transfer the training I would rather invest in peace of mind than invest in the things of the world it starts to give you you might say food for thought this is good and I think that's kind of the way it's gone in your life with these seeming investments or divestments and then I think probably we could say that Francis is a good example of investing in qualities of mind or even better purpose you've had a huge investment in purpose over these I don't know how many years but it's been a huge investment in purpose which is what leads to the peace which is really what the goal is you know the peace of God in this moment yeah because underneath of the investment and accumulation what was really going on was the belief that I have to and I am sustaining myself and a god or spirit will not provide for me when I need it basically it's just in case there is a plan B in my mind going on without me consciously thinking about it I don't think you will provide for me so I have to provide for myself and I need to build up some security to do that and that was actually very frightening belief without me really really realizing that at the time it's very very fearful to believe that I'm not dependent on the spirit or god and I'm alone it's actually a huge investment to believe of being alone and being separate so that is what is keep going on you know in the mind is invest in this belief system again and again that's why the guilt is consistent and the fear is consistent is really because of that and in the end what David said I have invested then into purpose because then I really feel through experience only by doing what the spirit is guiding me can make me happy it doesn't really matter in terms of form what he guides me to do it's not what it's actually who is guiding me you know the what part is irrelevant is who is guiding me and when I find that out then it becomes a complete devotion into you know choosing the whole in every moment and allow the form to be whatever so that becomes a consistent dedication and devotion and it becomes a prayer of life to basically ask what is the most helpful for my peace of mind which is the same as what is the best for your plan you know it's not what is the best for me for Francis's future or body Francis's financial account or anything anymore because it's very fearful to ask for that to ask for what is best for your plan is what is best for the whole then in that there is no conflict when I ask for guidance because if I if I ask for a lot of procession and money and then I ask for guidance it's really more saying I don't really believe you I need to sustain for myself but what do you want me to do so it's like a conflict in the mind going on and our mind is so powerful what we truly want is what we experience so when we truly want two different things you know we're going to experience conflicting experiences that's the experience so this path is more like started to become more in congruence of what we're asking if we ask for peace consistently we're going to experience peace consistently the only reason we don't experience peace consistently is because we ask for peace and pain at the same time moment by moment we choose pain we choose peace we choose pain so it's more like a training to train the mind to consistently ask for one thing and one thing only and this prayer of what is the best for your plan which is my plan what is the best for me this becomes an experience that you don't experience any internal conflict anymore you don't send out two conflicting prayers at the same time and then the experience is going to be a consistent peace and happiness and safety and true security that we feel so it's actually underneath all the disguise of security and disguise of safety there is a huge guilt like a dynamite sitting there so it just feels really important that we can look deeper and allow our experience to convince us what is truly worth valuable what action you can take that's not driven by fear guilt the action you're going for needs to be phrased to go forward but if not what's guidance yeah it's right guidance does not come from fear of consequence does not come from a place to protect and defend and attack so it comes from a completely different place it comes from Christ's mind the way that's the way showing yourself to you come on to the way so that you transcend this belief so the source of the guidance is actually love it shows up sometimes as this inspiration and sometimes it shows up as this feeling of peace a feeling of joy and there still could be fear coming after it because when we still the mind is still is out trained the ego thoughts can still be grabbed onto after the initial inspiration comes to mind then we still believe in the egoic thoughts of all what if those are the thoughts of fear of consequences actually so when we still believe in that we get confused of all I'm afraid but truly what can transcend that fear which means what can transcend that belief and the ego thoughts is to actually follow those kind of prompts when they come David actually was talking on the car over here that compelled is a word that he felt all throughout the years he felt compelled to do something sometimes it's way out of the box but yeah yeah I was saying on the way from the ride over the Holy Spirit's voice Jesus' voice and the presence of Christ is compelling it's a strong word I felt this is from the parable of David a quiet shy guy with a wall flower just wants to blend into the wall or something and all of a sudden you are mine now and I will use you in ways that you can't even imagine so don't even ask what's my five year plan don't ask don't ask two years no don't even ask I was compelled to travel compelled to be spoken through compelled to be used you know like use me like the Bill Weber song you just keep on using me until you use me use use use I was compelled to be used and I'm glad I was because I was stagnant I was repressed I was shy I was all kinds of things I may have thought I was meek but Jesus said meekness and strength are the same I must not have been meek either I wasn't meek I was shy and weak I needed to be worked over I needed a good work over a lifetime work over to transform that I was stuttered well 10 commandments step into purpose here you got a big job to do the thing is we get so accustomed to the lie the world the projected world is a lie and we become adapted and accepted of the lie so you try to just make it through life and live the best you can and deal with your problems you do set of problems every day and try to survive make it through the best they can they don't have the big picture so how far off is this daily human experience from the big picture huge how far off is time from eternity big is there a gap? yeah it's a gap now how am I doing well Jesus says let me just give you a check for planet earth he says everything in this world is backwards and upside down everything that's good to know especially if I'm going to start following guidance better be reminded that everything in this world is backwards and upside down how bad is that Jesus let me give it to me straight if it's all backwards and upside down what are we really talking here well he says you're so confused in your sleeping state that you cannot judge your advances from your retreats that's how deluded you are as a human being it's all backwards and upside down and you can't judge your gains from your losses your advances from your retreats ooh that's pretty good can you give me an example of that maybe help can you give me an example well he says you're so confused that you can't tell the difference he says in the text of A Course in Miracles you can't tell the difference between pain and joy you cannot tell the difference between pain and joy wait a minute I think I think I can tell the difference between pain and joy Jesus says no he told me he said if you could tell the difference between pain and joy you would never experience pain again because you're so confused if you choose them both you send up your mixed messages your prayer sometimes for pain sometimes for joy but you can't tell the difference between pain you see it's got some good reasoning here you can't tell the difference between pain and joy what should that mean except I need help I can't tell the difference between pain and joy I need big time help because my perception is really twisted and diluted so that's good these are all things that he gives his hints about why we need to step back and let him lead the way he says at one point if there's a teacher within you that knows the way back to heaven it would be unwise for you to not follow that teacher in other words follow the one who has transcended pain and suffering that's a good teacher don't follow the one that's trying to tempt you into more guilt and pain and suffering that Jesus says the ego is a particularly poor teacher particularly poor so let's get practical again let's bring it back to money and finances because there's a lot of teachers out there that are talking about abundance and if you follow the Holy Spirit in Jesus you will have an abundant life we have in the United States these massive ministries of people following these mega teachers and mega churches that are promising if you follow Jesus and the Holy Spirit you will receive favor God's favor and God's abundance you can see why they're so big I can barely get 15 or 20 people in this place but the mega churches we're talking huge thousands and thousands so then I would ask the question let's look at abundance what is abundance Jesus' definition happiness joy peace of mind freedom that's Jesus Christ's definition of abundance it's an attitude it's a state of mind when you're happy and joyful are you concerned about anything no, you're swept up in the joy and in the happiness you don't have a care in the world because you are truly abundant and then poverty, let's look at poverty is this the thing that everyone's so afraid of that they have to have insurance policies and better investments and stronger this and stronger that what if poverty is not a material condition but what if poverty is a state of mind too sadness depression, shame, guilt, fear what if those are poverty you see Jesus is defining everything in terms of what is your state of mind right now so it's really a good litmus test about whether you're abundant or whether you're poor is how am I feeling in fact he even says in the course that's the one right use of judgment how do you feel like one right use of judgment it must be important how do I feel is my barometer it's my litmus test on how abundant do I accept how worthy of the true abundance am I or how unworthy to feel so unlike a child of God afraid, shameful guilty so really what he's doing is he's saying all we have to do is we have to take a look at every single thought and belief in your mind and if you have false thoughts we'll say of abundance and poverty then we need to clear that up we need to change change your mind on those definitions come into alignment with Christ on his definitions like meekness and weakness a lot of people on the planet humans think those that are meek are the weak you know we may think of the animal kingdom and we see like a lamb is kind of they're kind of meek kind of meek as far as animals go and a lion roaring big lamb strong king the lion king there's why do they call it the lion king because they're strong they're big you don't mess with lions most all creatures stay away from lions they don't want an angry lion they turn into lunch if they do that so we have to realize that meekness and strength are actually the same some of you remember the bible the lion and the lamb shall lie side by side remember that from the bible all he was teaching was strength and meekness shall lie side by side are the same next time you contemplate a lawsuit remember the lion and the lamb shall lie side by side the strength comes in meekness the strength comes in defenselessness the strength comes in identifying the spirit Jesus was a very meek teacher you know especially when it came to the cross you don't see Jesus up on the cross fighting to get loose fighting the romans you know get these spikes out of me and put me down I am the Lord you know he was very meek because why because he wasn't a body he wasn't Christ is not male or female Christ is not masculine or feminine Christ is Christ Christ is pure spirit I and the Father are one spirit and if you identify with spirit what consequence can there be what does perception have to do with spirit nothing you know he was identified with purely with spirit and therefore he was defenseless they brought false charges against him they said he was stirring up so riots and uprisings and all these false charges that came against him but he did not respond he did not defend basically everything that he taught for three years was what he was teaching that was what he you know pay attention to what I just showed you and demonstrate I don't need to make a big fuss at the end when you're trying to hang me on a cross because I've spent three years our Heavenly Father really is how the essence of spirit really is I don't need to say anything more and plus it was a great demonstration you can't kill the Christ this is a little skit put it in a tomb and roll the tomb away and come up and make some appearances it's a nice kind of a skit but there's a big lesson behind the skit that you can't kill the Son of God it was a tiny little thing for a giant lesson that the Son of God is spirit that God is the spiritual God and Christ is the spiritual creation of God that's what the whole thing was meant to teach so you know it's really beautiful in that way so I think this is great come to England the land of Brexit really get at this financial investment what can pass through this so the mind is so closed and in total darkness how do you how do you how do you distinguish whether you're doing something the fear is intense obviously how do you distinguish whether you're doing an emotional bypass or you're actually following twice yeah the actual way to discern and distinguish is from like a sense of self-honesty again like Jesus said the one right use of judgment is how do I feel if you go from step to step of upliftment of feeling a lightness a happy lightheartedness an actual joy you start to experience glee I love the word glee it's just so alive and vibrant if you go from glee gleeful experience gleeful experience that's a good barometer that you're following the spirit it has to be a gleeful journey it can't be woe is me and you know the sense of victim and the world's against me which is much mostly what human beings experience a lot of humans go through so much darkness so much intense like shaking you to your roots darkness that you might get a glimmer of joy here or there but for me it's been a gleeful journey the glee has taken me in the glee is compelling you want me out of darkness you're going to have to convince me that I'm light your socks off is whether still for this day I will knock your socks off kind of glee here try this well okay then you have some miracles some more miracles some glee glee glee and you go woe this is really gay you ain't seen nothing yet bum bum baby you just ain't seen nothing yet bum bum here's something that you're never gonna forget bring it on you know bring me the light and joy really convince me really get me immersed in the miracles make it so I have no shadow of doubt that the ego is not real not that I wonder if the world's real not that I even go around and say that the world's unreal Jesus didn't look at three years on the planet earth 2000 years ago he never went around telling people publicly that the world wasn't real in fact we find out later in the Gospel of Thomas that he kind of gets Thomas to the side just between him and Thomas you know he says don't tell anybody this or we'll bring fire down on our heads a little bit different than typical course of miracle students who go running out to their mother and their aunt aunt aunt Frida the world's not real Jesus didn't do it why are you telling Aunt Frida that the world isn't real what business do you have telling Aunt Frida the world isn't real do you believe it since it's in the book well so Jesus told Thomas don't tell anybody this or it'll bring fire down on our heads you can imagine 2000 years ago somebody going around telling people Romans and everybody in the world's not real so we're here to demonstrate that we're here to demonstrate by our joy by our happiness by our consistent happiness that the Kingdom of Heaven lives you know teach not that I died teach that I live in you not by going around telling people that the world isn't real but by living in the joy of Heaven so to me that's where the authentic thing comes in there was a teacher who talked about bliss nannies don't be a bliss nanny don't be a bliss nanny don't pretend to be blissful don't pretend it anything if you're blissful shine your light and be that blissful representation of God that you are if you really come in contact through forgiveness with your joy and your happiness then be that way I went to a major Course in Miracles conference years ago and the organizer was like he was doing a Sunday sermon there was 500 people there and he starts off with a sermon don't you hate it don't you hate happy people starts off and I'm like I'm looking around because I'm thinking this is the Course in Miracles don't you hate happy people don't you hate those people that are just happy all the time before and along there was people around looking at me I was just sitting in the audience the whole sermon was don't you hate that it was all about I lost money in the financial crisis and I had all the pains and hurts and everything let's be real we were saying that there is loss and blah blah blah and I would say forgive and be happy authentically forgive you have to actually do the work like Byron Katie says you have to turn it around maybe you have to turn it around 5 million times or a billion times but you have to keep turning it around until you don't have to turn it around anymore until you realize that you're an effect of God that God is the cause and the world also to facilitate that though is to feel the anger or loss or pain you have to be able to do that so that you get out of denial you have to feel it you actually have to welcome it into awareness there's no bonus points you don't get any bonus points for the length of time that you feel it in other words it's only being brought into awareness so that you can let it go you don't feel it felt it for 10 seconds felt it for 2 years well it was me I felt it for 20 years ago you don't get any bonus points for suffering I was like okay I couldn't handle it how about one second it was good for me give it over to the Holy Spirit feel it fully and give it away to the Holy Spirit there's no bonus for length of time but you can't deny it you can't push it out of awareness it will not heal it's like our communities I remember ISG's for some practical guidance with human beings and relationships and living together and he said well we're not going to do a monastery with traditional vows poverty, chastity, obedience traditional ones we're going to do two guidelines not vows, just guidelines no people pleasing is your first guideline second guideline in other words just encourage people to express their emotions talk about their thoughts don't hide them don't push them down when you hide them is how they don't heal how they stay when you project them the same way if you repress them or you project them and blame other people you keep them they bounce off they blast out he said no it's great but exposed so I actually had a friend in China who basically at one point wrote to me and he said oh you're two guidelines no private thoughts and no people pleasing he said I feel they correspond to the introduction of A Course in Miracles he said what's the introduction he said yeah nothing real can be threatened nothing unreal exists ear and lies a piece of God so Jesus has just given you two guidelines that will help feed you into that state of mind where nothing real can be threatened don't worry about these private thoughts that are coming up into awareness just don't hide them remember the Catholic Church confessional you had to go in and tell your sins to a priest I think that was the original intention was unburden yourself to a priest a symbol of unburden yourself to the Holy Spirit you don't even need a priest to do that if you really are honest with your partner with your friends, with your family or maybe even not with them maybe you just have a trusted friend who loves you and adores you and you can tell all your deepest darkest private thoughts and they laugh that's ridiculous that's not you somebody see the truth in me and not tie me into those thoughts to think that I'm the thinker of those thoughts you see that's what heals so to me yes it's like trying to own error when you when you believe they're true and they're dark and you stuff them down that's good I like it you're really bringing up a good point you know on one hand people sometimes will say own the feelings own the feelings it's okay if it means don't project the blame on to others but don't own them in the sense that they you think that they're you because it's not it you've got to forgive them so I feel like it's more real back to projection and quickly give it over to the Holy Spirit because if you don't you'll just own it and stuff it and tell yourself great it pushes down that's good we're really getting down to the core give it give it all away give it all the private thoughts away give it everything don't do it all don't do it don't do it don't do it wait he said he's great he gave it all he felt so bad about the peasants and he gave it all away but he's still he probably still held on to the guilt that was good because he still held on to the belief in ownership even though he gave away the objects he didn't give away the belief which is so great just so this time is left time is left how should we use the final oh yeah we could talk about the monastery and then I think we even have some books here that's what you're bringing up so yeah you want to share anything about the monastery sure yeah I think yeah we have a monastery in Utah in the United States and we also have actually centers in different parts in another center in the United States in Cincinnati and we have a center in Mexico and we just opened another new one in Spain Barcelona, Spain and they're really Australia oh yeah there's one in Australia from how quickly they oh yeah Australia so the center I guess it's originally just started by a few people inspired by David and want to live together to practice this idea of forgiveness in a daily life together because it's so you know it's like we go to God throughout our brothers so there's so much mirroring going on and there's a lot of support when we come together with the purpose together same purpose together and that started that way and the monastery was given was very guided when it came in but all the other center you know later on came in the same way by either we were guided to buy or even sometimes leasing a house in Barcelona for example right now and the purpose is exactly the same with all the centers across the world is that we come together and really practice forgiveness 24-7 together and sometimes people come in just for a short period of time and sometimes people come for an extended period of time and which both are welcome and we have this we normally encourage people to come to a retreat with us to really allow the mind to absorb the context and the metaphysics the ideas behind what we practice in a daily life because there are a lot of practical applications of very deep ideas from across the miracles but then people can fill in application forms and depending on the location they can choose which location they want to come and we will receive the application and really pray we will probably join on a phone call and pray together to see you know when will be the best time the best situations it's all very individualized but then I guess the thing is that it's all under the control of the Holy Spirit even when you feel the inspiration to question or to come and we feel the inspiration to actually invite and we come together every encounter is so holy it's so holy for us to really invite people to join us in that purpose it doesn't really matter the amount of time but it's very very holy and we use a lot of practical applications during the time or together so at this point I think we lay it out as a two week or four week stay to start as a start then after that we can pray together to understand this day yeah it's just how Jesus said whoever two or more are gathered in my name I am there the holiness is just the purpose like coming here we've gathered in a very holy purpose this is a holy purpose it's a good use of time we're using words and time in a very very highly helpful way because it's all about freedom it's all about release being guiltless feeling the joy and the happiness there's nothing more important and there's now better use for time than that it's that same holy feeling and you were mentioned we did have some books over here in Ireland right that's where they came from we had some books shipped over so I did carry in a box they're back so that's what yeah our friend Catherine shipped them over they've been picked up at the post office and brought it here so if anybody wants to spend a little time and look at those too we also part of the fun of this has been having an experience and then letting the spirit direct how can I make this more available more relevant so we have all kinds of stuff on the internet lots of free audios and writings, videos and then now we're into music we have a living miracle studio with all kinds of musicians that have collaborated to let the spirit come through there's even like a trust meditation CD that Kirsten and I did Kirsten's new book just came out which was saying she wanted I married a mystic and I don't know did that book make it it's still over there I think it will make it to Ireland this month so it's like another distribution center we have is Ireland for Europe so it's a cheaper shipping cost I wanted to buy online because I had the emails but then I looked at the shipping products and I was thinking yeah push your way up to get it shipped all the way but I think there will be a group somehow shipped bulk shipped over to Ireland and so I think we have a thing called living miracles Europe probably it will be made available I would think through that that website yeah I'm sure it's the ebook is available too so that's a way to do it and with things like movies the spirit has so used movies I call movies a modern day terrible because people love to watch movies most people all the countries I've traveled to so we have spiritual interpretations and you might say guidance and commentary with the movies so you can go to our site mwge.org which is Movie Watchers Guide to Enlightenment and now we're having so much success with that site that now you've heard of traditional ways to God, meditation prayer service movies have broken into the category and large numbers of people are taking the movie route which is the modern day use of parables with very high instructions and interpretations so it's often times we will get a group of people on retreats everything we will show movies I've done like six week retreats in Spain showing movies every night people spring into high states of mind and even sometimes mystical experiences through the movies it's a little different than your ayahuasca ecstasy meditating 10, 12, 16 hours a day just the spirit offering you may want to consider movies as a route some people may say you're not going to have the same experiences with ayahuasca and david doing movies think again come on and try you want a non drug experience of going into this these are really the spirit using these movies in very direct ways as symbols almost like triggers really just reflections of your own mind's desire to wake up I think it's like the fun pathway I say fun, your emotions the darkness may still come up during a lot of these movies so we're not saying it'll all be peaches and cream but what is it over here? strawberries and cream it's not always going to be strawberries and cream and it's not always going to be the feeling of all you need is love you may face a lot as you're coming but in the end you're still here Jesus singing let it be let it be let it be speaking words of wisdom let it be so with that it's time to say good afternoon good evening and good night