 Felly wedi bod yn ei bwysigol ar y tîm a'i bethau'r cym Definitely-y, ac yn ddwi'n gwybod ddim yn effigio ddweud hynny, a'i ddweud hynny'n gwblattieid yn gweithio a'r pwgwr aned i ddweud sy'n ddwy'r pwg ffaith eich heb. Rwy'n cael ei ddweud hynny, ond wedi rhoi mi sut i'r tyfan, byddwn ni'n byw gweithio mwy ffaith hwn, a'r ffaith i ddweud hynny yn dweud hynny, Ac y gwir i rhad a ddaol, wnaeth gwisech buddwyd dros ti'n eich bod oeddwn yn cyd-wrdd. Ac rydyn ni'n meddwl i'r hollwyr o ddydd yn eu hiru. A dwi'n fwy vach o annol. Yn gyhoedd. Mae'r bofau yw yn gweithio'n goblwch, a'r ddy'n iawn. Mae'r oedd y mae. Mae'r Have- Elawn yn ari. Mae ar y beir. Mae'n mynd i gweithio'r hollwyr o'r hollwyr. ac rwy'n mynd yn fwy o'r rai hwnnw. Yn fwy o'r rhain, mae'n rhaid i'r ddweud. Mae'r rhain y gallwch yn ei ffordd. A'r rhain hynny'n dweud, rydw i'r gweithio 10 oed yn fwy o'r rhain. Byddai'n gweld i'r teimio? No, mae'r rhain. Mae'r rhain, mae'r rhain, rwy'n gweithio pobarthwydy o'r rhain mae'r rhain nhw. A'r rhain, mae'r rhain o'r rhain roedd y gallwn gwahodd, a roi'n wahanol, ac roi'n wahanol. Chynydd o bwysig o ddeithas o'r ddau. Rhaid cais. Ddyn ni'n rhagor. Ddyn ni'n rhagor? Rhaid o'r rhagor? Rhaid o'r rhagor? Rydyn ni'n rhagor y Herebydd a'r rhagor arall. Rhaid o rhan o feniaf i gael roeddiur y gygfyff. Rhaid o'r rhagor! Rwy'n meddwl. Rhaid o'r rhagor. Rhaid o'r rhagor? Rhywodra! Rhywodra! Fe wrap'nrif ar gael! Diolch yn ffawr! Mae'n gweithio'n bod wedi bod ar gweithi'r menytwid, ond weithio'n gweithio'n gwneud ffyd. Fe rydyn ni'n bywch yn dweud yn gweithio'n gweithio'r lleotrebon, mae Y gallwn ni'n gwybod ffyrdd o'r twfynion a'n bwysig i'r cyfwyr, mae gyd yn cynsofryd. Cyn i'r tyn nhw'n meddwl i gyd yn cyfrifio gyd wedi'i gwybod i'r cyfwyr i'r cyfwyr, ond gofio'n meddwl i gyd yn ymwneud. Rydym ni'n cael ei gilydd i gyd yn ymwneud hynny? Roedd ydych chi'n gwneud i'r cyffredin. Cyfwyr yn yn 97, ac 1908 mae'n gwybod i Salford. Mae'r arddangos wedi'n gwybod i Swinton. ac felly wedi ei fod yn ei fod yn fan g yn rhan. Rydyn ni wedi gydwyd trwng hefyd mae'r brudd? Rwy'r cyffredinhaeth, rydyn ni arbennwyd. Rydyn ni'n cael ei wneud hynny? Rydyn ni wedi ceirwyr. Rydyn ni'n cael ei fod yn gradd, mae'r blachau sy'n prosiectol i'r llyfrid yno, yn ei ddwybr wedi ddim yn grif Person Pwy, mae'r ddwyd yn rhan, argymau yna'r bwylltion. mae'n edrych i'ch bod yn dweud, yn y ddechrau, mae'n gyflogol, i'ch gilydd, gyda faut, flynyddol, roedden nhw'n tymsbwrdd a chymdeithasig o wybod i wych. Mae hyn oedd fan hyn yn dweud wrth hynny. Rhaid i chi ddarangos e playw? Dwi'n ddweud eich ll feels gyda hwnnw ar y cantol. Saen nhw'n sgwr o'r 1,200 o fe ac nhw'n diwethaf collo'r ll, ac rhai eich ll. Cwlad? Cwlad. Hathcast. Bat dyn ni'n gwas. So, yeah. But he's weaned itself out as I got older. He's just fight away for it, like I said. People, if you fight and they won't defence, they won't say it. It won't go away. Was your brother very defensive then? Just trying to stack up for yourself? Yeah. Did your brother stack up for you? Not really. No. I didn't really tell him really. I just dealt with it on my own. Didn't really tell my mum. I didn't tell my dad. I just dealt with it on my own, really. Who was that? It was young, talking like 10, 11, 12. So, you're young, but it just strengthens your mentality, I suppose. Crucial years, though. It was because my dad left as well, so that's when it all come tumbling down, because that was my discipline. Once he went and then my mum kind of got in a new relationship and that really didn't work out with me. So, it was, and then that started the downfall of just doing what I wanted and just being naughty, really. Do you feel as if the shackles come off that your mum could control you so you kind of had a free for all? Not necessarily. I think I was just missing my dad and didn't really, although my stepfather was good to my mum, I didn't really get on with him. It wasn't his fault. He was a good man, but he wasn't my father. Back then, it was accepted, but he used to take a few beatings off of him. What's the right word? Oh, the right word is. Yeah, I don't like him for it. Your stepdad used to do that? Yeah. But when I was naughty, not mass, not every week, it was just when I was naughty, you'd get a beating, but I didn't like it because he wasn't my father and my mum would just stand there and watch. Why did your dad leave? Did you ever speak to him after that? He was abusive, drunk to my mum. Mum took a load of abuse, used to beat her up. When I was 10, 11, I think they'd just split up and he was taking me out for my birthday and he picked me up and we're driving down the street and he's seen my mum going to work. He's pulled in the bus stop. He's just said, give me one minute. He's gone out. I've seen him like tussling and then he's come back, took my birthday money off me, gone and seen your mum. I've gone and seen my mum. She's broken nose and he's given her a dig. And then I didn't see him for a few years after that. Did you eventually see him though? Did you reach out to him? Probably about five, six years ago. Just recently? Yeah. The first time? Yeah. It was all right. Weird, strange. Spoke to him little bits, but not massively. He sent me a letter when I was in prison, which was a bit too late. But now he's apologised. I had 25 years, I didn't speak to him. How was it for you then being 14, 15 when your brother then was playing for Man United? Did that become a lot more pressure on you being, you felt as if you wanted to achieve that level? Yeah, your name doesn't become Roger then it becomes Ryan, Giggs's brother, and that just went on for years. So you just come to deal with it, but at the start of it you're excited, you're happy for him, you're buzzing. There's more of a dream for me to see him play football than it was for me to play football. Because you look at the old photos, man, every photo you're in, you look so happy when you're together. You look the happiest as if you're proud. You're the proud big brother. That's why I followed him and stuck up for him the whole of my life. That's what you did, and that's what you do. Did you ever feel like the outsider from a young age? Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. Was that what made you rebel? Kind of like I was my dad's child and Ryan was my mum's child. I think that's the way it was, and that's the way it carried on. Difficult then? Yeah, it was difficult. Because I heard you were a player back in the day. Is that correct? What's the story that you could have been better than your brother if you stuck in that attack? That was the story, but I never really was into it like he was. If my dad stuck around, I would have played rugby, I was a rugby player and I was football, but I just loved sports and didn't really think that I could do it as a living, just played it. That's when I got expelled from school. What for? Just a number of things, really. Just an accumulation of things in the end. And then I was about 15, coming up to 16, and Turkey got in contact saying, were you going to trial? But before I went, my mum says, what are you going to do? I said, I don't know, you're going to have to get a job. She says, what do you mean? You're not in school, you're going to have to get a job. Fuck you now. Fuck that. So I went to Turkey for, it's lovely here, beach, beautiful, it's hot. And, yeah, just ended up playing there in the Simon for a two year contract. Well, apprenticeship. Who was that? Yeah, I loved it. I loved it. What happened? Well, the story was that I was a nicking kit. Well, this was the story, the page of the papers. I was a nicking kit, but that wasn't the story, the story was. I was at Diggs, first of all, and obviously I was coming in late and stuff like that. So they moved me to the chairman's daughter and husband and their family. So we used to go to the chairman's house for Sunday dinner and stuff like that. And I've ended up going there. And he used to have a big fucking wallet. He used to have loads of money in it. So I had to take £500 out and I'd give it my roommate and I've told a couple of lads and that lad got caught dipping. When there's first team matches, the apprentices had to give the cups to tease for the half time so they'd go into the way change rooms. One of the players was dipping in the players in pockets and he got caught. So to get him off that, he told them what I'd done. I was the same. When I played for Hibs at 60, we used to sell happy hippies. I think they were called at half time, but me and another boy used to get another book. So when people were buying another ticket, they'd take it out the other book and put them in a bucket, but they would never win. So we were making maybe £30-40 but somebody, I think the other boy stuck me in. I think he was caught and stuck me in because I ended up getting loaned out straight away. And then they were getting released. But it's funny that they were at always try to cut corners, always try to cut corners. But I was coming on because all between like 12th from 11th to 15th, I probably hadn't played a lot of football in every day. By 2016, I was playing in the first team matches, so I was coming on. I was almost 16. 16. And then I started coming on and then all that happened and then that was it. I didn't kick a ball for two years. Can you render it? Well, supposedly they asked me back, but I never got told that. I got told that a few years later, but my mum didn't tell me or she didn't want me to go back. But if it did go back there, they would have earned a lot of money because I wouldn't have let them down again like that. I would have made sure that was... Did you feel like a very young age after that? I just felt like they'd let them down because they was good to me, talky. Mike Bates and the chairman, Paul Crompton, Donald Raiden, they were all good to me there. It was just one of the fewer things that I regret. I don't regret many things, but that's one of the top of the list. But you're only a kid as well, like let's do or die back in that age. But when I come back, it's front page, mainstreaming news, front page and everything, so I don't have to deal with all that crap as well. So you have to deal with that. Every time I got in trouble, I'd put a step out of line, it was front page, or I'd have to turn up in court, there'd be cameras. Now I'm not going to want to put my head down. They'd go, Roger, I go, fuck off, and they'd spin the papers and it looked like a right. Fuck off. But if I'd seen it now, I'd be like, what the fuck is this? I'm like, fuck off. Is that because all the pressure as well, because your brother was flying high? Or are you just thinking fuck it? I just thinking fuck it. Do you regret that then? Yeah, yeah. What happened with your life after football? Well, after I come back then, I was messing about, and then... You drinking drugs? No, not really. I want to be like the same before, I'm not really a big drinker, I don't really like it, obviously I do it because it's sociable, but I don't really like it. So then, I was just messing about odd jobs and then I went to Livingston, stayed there for about six or seven months, and after that I come back, and that's when I ended up in London, working as a state agent in London. How was that? Yeah, it was good, it was good. And then that come all crashing down with a fake shake. Why? I don't know. The fake shake, the one you got put in prison, you didn't do the exact same to me. It was the court, Minstall Street, I got Crown Court here. So I'm as a state agent, and Mazir Mamoud is called. Fake name then? Fake shake, well that's his name, Mazir Mamoud, but it was like a fake shake, so he's contacting me saying his family are in town, his nephews, so he's like a Saudi prince or some kind of high Saudi prince. So he's got servants, I meet him at a penthouse in Canary Wharf, servants opening the door, people giving him tea, he's got all the clothes coming with a shisha, he tells me the story that his nephews have got in college and he was looking for apartments for him, but we can't be seen in the West End because one of the family members said, do you know anywhere where we can go out? So I said, yeah, we was a co-op a member of a lapdancing place littering around the corner from the office, so you should have taken him there. But in the meantime I'm taking him to flats and he's saying, yeah, I'll have them free flats and I'll pay you a year money up front. I'm thinking, this is good, this is all the commission I'm going to get in, I've got to keep this guy sweet. So when we're going into his lapdancing he keeps asking me for drugs. I said, I'm not from round here, I don't really know anyone, if I really wanted to I probably could have, but I'm going out of my way for drugs, I don't really know anyone. And he kept on bad dreaming and bad dreaming, this is going on for like three or four weeks. I said, I don't know anyone. Anyway, I'm going back to Manchester, so I tell him I'm going back to Manchester. He says, oh, we'll come up and we'll come and see you, you can meet your brother, blah, blah, blah. I said, okay, no problem, so I'm trying to keep him sweet because this deal that is always commissioned. We get to Manchester, meet Sarkin outside the Marriott, then he says, right, where are we going tonight? I said, I'm going here, I'm not, I'm saying I'm not going where you're going, but can you get some drugs? I said, yeah, no problem. Ring my mingupalo or ring someone who I knew. He's come to the Marriott, I've gone out and got it, brought it in, fucking cameras everywhere in the room, blah, blah, blah, blah. Next minute I'm a pimp, I'm a fucking drunk dude. I'm a drunk dude. In the meeting, halfway through it, he's made us get some escorts and bring them back to his hotel. But he's obviously camera'd up the room, but I've took the bird in the bathroom and then my mate's coming and gone in the bathroom, not in my bathroom, the bedroom. So he probably had it all set up in the bedroom, but I took him in the bathroom. So all the big setup for what? Just to fuck you over? I was just working as a state agent, anything, it was just, and that was it, I love that job. So he was just working in the press? He's done it hundreds of times. What a scumbag. And it's caught, and then the judge threw it out saying he needs to be investigated because... It's like entrapment kind of, I don't know about it. Entrapment kind of law, but it's like, it's not as if you're bringing them, it's not as if you're fucking trafficking girls and selling kilos of coke. He was just wanting... How much drugs was he wanting? Grams? What made it... More, what made it... What's the word? The police were dying to get me because they had a police surveillance on me for like two or three weeks and they pulled me outside Dean's Gate lock, should I have been out in Dean's Gate lock? Yes. There was a place called Lof when it first opened and they pulled me out there and like an august night and it was like nine o'clock at night it was fucking rammed all the way down, queuing up and they pulled me out, about ten of them stripped searched me, turned me box of shorts outside because they thought I had drugs on me but I didn't. So you're just trying to do him a term because you think you're going to get commission? Not realising it's just a big scam just to fuck you over and get you in the press was that on every front page again? No, it wasn't because it was gunnew and then the Brixton bombing in London it went to like 12 or 13. But it just goes to show you the lengths that people go. I had a George Lambion last week who was Charles Bronson's son he used to get a gas van cut a hole outside of the gas van and all the big Prince Harry Prince William used to drive in and people with the security guards used to fall for it and they're just snapping away but back in the day you're talking what, 50 grand, 100 grand for major stories, major headlines so people, the paparazzi go to some lengths to fuck you over. To fuck you over? How did you deal with all that in all the stresses and pressures? How did you trust issues then? That was the worst one because out of playing football out of all the jobs I did, I loved that job. Be good at that. It was 19, 20, it was renting 14, 15 apartments a week I was like 19 years 20 years of age on two and a three grand a week back in them days I loved it. Company car so it was great and then it was hot then I got a sack straight away on the spot back home and then six months later, a year later I was in prison. So what happened then, you got a deal? Was it a bottle over someone's head? We'd gone into a place called Amesan Mimio Pal and I'm at the urinal and this guy's come next to me and said you give these brother bad ass to me and I'm the piss doing me a favour, leave me alone anyway he's bad ass so I've walked out gone to the other side of the club where I'm in Pallies he's come over again we need to get out of here to me mate so we walked out down the stairs I'm waiting for a cab but what I'd done is they didn't serve Budweiser in the pub so when I walked from the pub where we'd just come from I had a Budweiser but I had it only had half left so I put it behind the bin and when I come out waiting for the taxi I remembered it was there and when I grabbed it drinking he's come out again started blah blah blah and his mates grabbed over it's all kicked off and his mate grabbed over it's all kicked off and my mate hit him once and he's just had on the curb two have come through his mouth and he nearly died would you get seven months? nine and how was that then? again front pages people say I'm daft but I loved it when I was in there strange ways it was yeah they tried to fucking move there as well they like clowns because some first day they put me in with the scrawnious smack head you could ever think and the first night they'd spun me and stripped searched me they tried and then Mikodi after a week he's gone to Kirkham and I'm still there after four weeks and I had a friend who was a screw in strange ways and I said what's going on so he's got in contact with him two screws in there we tried to send me to Birmingham just to fuck me out in a fucking shithole so you got worse treatment and no special treatment because of who you were I had obviously new people in there and they've got in them for me he's fucking buzzing about it they always thought I was going to come in and be fucking like the fat guy from Shawshank Redemption and protection so how was that experience for you to be was it more rougher then worse treatment because of who you were and who your family member was than no that was the kind of stuff they've tried to stuck playing me mentally they feel as if you're always getting fucked over through your life when you look back at it all you feel like they probably don't look at it like that probably yeah not really go deep into it like that but if you think about it probably yeah so how does that affect you mentally it makes you stronger what about friends in that did you have the same friends going through life or were you constantly chopping and changing well since the effect all come out there's many people I've not even probably spoken to associated with not just with them were you very trustworthy back in the day though like going into his stuff I'm very wary what I tell people anyway so well you can obviously people get media trained when they've got like yeah I didn't did you not have any of that shit any family members ever say look man rain it in or the juju's constantly think it's not like you're a bad guy it's just you do that shit like he's all like myself it's like the daff stuff that I was it's like when I was in London the daff stuff I got arrested for was like a girl where I broke up with she'd been with Ryan once so that was a story in the sun I bedded the two gigsies so I've gone up to her house and threw her out my window no shit stuff like that pissed one night and my mate's car and I've made blue siren so I've jumped out the car I can't remember this I broke into the house, gone upstairs fell asleep, the police have come and arrested me and I've got done for criminal damage all stuff like all stuff when I'm drinking and stuff like that so just so this was another girl so then I went to London I haven't been in trouble for two years and I'm driving my friend home and the police pull me and I jump out the car what the fuck you pulling me folks I think I'm illegal I'm in a company car but I had outstanding warrants from the community service and probation I just fucked off so the copper I never forget his face he comes out the car and he's like laughing shaking his head he says you're going to wish you didn't fucking do that he says you've got a arrest warrant with a no bail so what the fuck does that mean he says you're getting arrested now and you're getting took to Manchester in the morning so we get taken to Manchester get to Salford courts at half one get to the courts the van pulls in the guy he goes what you doing he says we've got a done for the day you have to bring him back tomorrow my problem take to Salford Creson went to Salford Creson and up staying there 24 hours as well Saturday morning I got out and they squashed the community service squashed probation and gave me £500 fine what was the life like then were you working or were you just looking at it I was working as a state agent at the time because I just moved away and just kept my head down and secure a proper job did you think a life would be easier going to London away from Manchester yeah it was miles better that's why I loved it so much because no one really cared and it was so big no one would give a crap who you was and that's why I enjoyed it I think how were you treated in Manchester before you went then people just always want a piece of you no you're always going to get that whenever you're going out I don't know what the fascination is with it I never could understand it with because I'm not a celebrity I'm not famous I'm still even though I've done a good advert I'm not a celebrity I'm just not that advert was class but we'll touch on that later on I'm just not because you've done acting as well what is did you do act start acting no I did a bit with Will yeah because you were in a film kind of thing like adverts and stuff you've been in the advert but what was the other thing wait something what was it called the white van man yeah it just turned out to be an extra thing it ended up starting doing a bit more than the one it was someone who didn't turn up and Will someone hadn't turned up so he said do you want to play the role it was brilliant did you enjoy it? it was really good so after London then when you got when you lost your job prison again what was your life like then when they got out what did they do when they got out you just knuckled down and trying to get to work and get a job I got my class 2 licence I got my lower licence just settled down trying to settle down met Natasha had a baby that was it for me I was happy I was settled down I partied myself out didn't really enjoy it anymore I would just stay home with family on the weekends but she would always go out and I was going to go out I don't mind the kids did you ever question that then? I was happy just to not do what you want did you ever get handouts for your brother so everything that I'm doing in my life now I'm doing it to try and build a platform so big that I can now look after my family this is what I think you're supposed to do like I was saying before we started this is a business that started from scratch on his own he struggled no problem with your top it's what you do you help people out not really he gave me a car that he won and then I got put into prison because I was rangig his brother and he wasn't speaking to me he didn't come and see me he didn't give me a letter and then when I got out he bought me a car is that disheartening for you you can understand from you look at all the shit that man United players actually done Ferguson must have been that good he was that good a manager that everything was hush hush it's only now that certain things come out of your paper and you go wait a minute they ain't all fucking just they ain't all just squeaky clean there's more shit happens in the big teams than they do anywhere else it just gets hit better did you find that he was protected Ferguson was like a father figure to him he was his substitute father and he was scared of him and never let him down but he protected him a lot because a lot of the press were scared of Ferguson they were he's proper he was no messing about do you think if you had somebody like Ferguson's status as a manager you could have potentially went a good way like a father figure he was a great person he was only just a manager he knew everyone's names young kids he was still a great man and that to be skilled and to be to him to take you under the wind wing must have been a big help for him but can you understand as well that your brother might have been told to stay back from the prisons don't do that because of his yeah I understand that but if that was me I'd be saying fuck off he's my brother it's straight up so with that idea but maybe that's why we've not got it this is where me and him differ then because even when he'd done his book he rings me up one of the headlines of the sun paper was my jailbird brother and he rings me up saying oh I apologise if you're telling him to write a story you have it specifically what they put in if they put anything then they pay you but they just let him run riot you can't speak to the press you can't do that but it's alright for you to promote your book through the sun using your name did you go to many games I used to go home the way for years the amount of scraps I've nearly got in in games as well because he wasn't always great he used to have some bad times and the fans were used to be giving it to him and I used to be umpteen times I don't know how many scraps he used to get in I used to be a nightmare because he used to be right behind me oh fucking gigs he'd whank the wells I'd be like fuck you know this guy and he'd shut up I'd always get him behind me that's that to ask for you though because I know you're easy lead mate shut up how was family life at the start with the missies and the kids was it great or did you know something was a mess or were you in denial probably probably yeah because my instinct is good my instinct says this isn't right from the start but I just went against it I don't know maybe because she looked good because you were broken with your dad leaving as well the pain of accepting that there's going to be another broken relationship because it's oh yeah that was that was that's why I tried to keep it together because I wanted to but it just was untenable just in my head of thinking I can't do this was it a telltale sign though yeah like what oh there was times when years before she was in Mar Bayer and John Oyster played for redding and another guy was filming her while he was doing something you know there was loads and there was mermas about that but you just put it back to back of your mind and just ignore it and it doesn't help that she only did it because I had been in Mar Bayer a couple of months before and a bird had been telling her oh your boyfriend's been out here doing this and that so she just wouldn't fuck it you see me as if I was listening to this stuff yesterday and obviously I knew you were coming on it's fucking sad mate that what you've actually went through I don't think you get the credit for actually pushing through and actually still being here because it's not just listening we all fuck up I've made many mistakes I've fucked girlfriends once drunken fucked party and whatever but to carry something on for eight years is fucking terrible as barbaric basically to do it and not just doing it with having an affair but doing it to your brother do you know what I mean when somebody is trying to act squeaky clean so it can be difficult so I don't know what you've actually went through to still be here telling the tale it must be fucking difficult never really never really crossed my mind because of my journey of my life it's it's strengthened me mentally as I've gone on yes it was difficult times but you know you have people you probably couldn't have done it without Will Miller my friend Daniel without them especially when it first happened when I went to Will's and with his wife Michelle and his family it was such like a sanctuary for me and it was just a brother for me for like 20-25 years now and I've got a good friend Daniel he's a strong friend so you need them strong people but family wise there was nothing so when that came out you must have fucked off to Marbella she sold the story so she never even gave you her heads up the woman's been fucking you around for eight years with your brother she sold the story fucked off to Spain and you had to read that in the paper six o'clock in the morning what was going through your mind just shock just shock it took probably about four or five years to properly get over this is where I couldn't I wouldn't talk about but now I know I talk about it probably most of the annoying people because it keeps on coming up keeps on coming up he had eight years to think about the consequence and repercussions well he's fucking wakened woken someone up but he didn't want to wake up because I was quiet I was settled down and yeah I just do things now just to piss people off and there's nothing you can do about it but to do that is like to have all that money to have all that fame you could fucking you could be getting any bird you could be doing what the fuck you're doing you could getting hookers up to your room and telling them to fuck off but to do that to your fucking blood to do that to your brother and I'm sorry to disrespect your kids mum we're doing that brother just six months pregnant and why you're still sleeping with him and then the weekend after we come back and get married yeah so it just went on and on have you spoke to Ryan's missies because she must have went through a tough time as well was Desi yeah she probably no she stuck it out as long as she could let's be right she stuck it out as long as she could because you might have shit she had to part with and I didn't really get on with her didn't really dislike her just didn't really get on with her but no one's deserves to be put through shit like that no one so she stuck it out as long as she could and glad she's happy now Max I don't really know Max too well but he's a really nice lad he comes from good stock so and glad she's happy yeah that's the main thing so what was your life like once it all broke out how was it to be sad and stuff and and try and keep the pieces together and try and keep yourself together that's the only thing I concentrate on that's the only thing I concentrate on now that's the only thing that's on my mind is you've got three children that's the only thing that I worry about and the sad thing is he's never apologised not really that's fucking sad I've not really seen any of him you know I've probably seen him twice in ten years but that would still break your heart I can see with you the sensitivity as well that there's no matter what's happened I believe that you would try and put all the pieces together just to have a family home but they obviously think I'm that bad I'm not that bad don't beat up women, don't cheat on people don't do that shit anymore I'm a grown man because your brother was on the papers again was it last year I don't know if he was faint with his misses but you called them OJ Simpson you know what it was tongue-in-cheek but when I thought about it this isn't a subject he should be fucking joking about and messing about with so I've deleted it and I wish I'd never done it but that was only because he's murdered someone I'm dealing with facts he didn't get done for murder but he was a football player who beat up women do you think there's a lot more stuff getting swept under the carpet no comment it must be so difficult because it's not just a normal affair for someone your stuff is worldwide press so every time you walk along the street you feel as if people were looking at you talking about you yes but you can't realise I've been dealing with this now for 30 years so it's just like water for ducks back and what would you have done if you'd seen them a couple of weeks after it hmm don't know difficult one on that and now your mum your mum's still not spoke to you haven't seen him walking on the street I would have run him over no doubt about it and your mum's still not spoke to you since no so why are you getting the blame as if you've done something wrong no supposedly talk to the press or do this or tell stories it's all crap the amount of people that I know it's just crap just crap so they believe whatever they want to believe you know I think it really goes deeper deeper from I'm a dad's kid and she's is how's it looking back not all bringing back does it not feel as if it was still yesterday for you or if it's the same shit no matter if you're doing it how do you think about it don't really anymore I don't really think about it I'll think about it now because we're having a chat about it but I can put things in a box and just leave it there obviously people think you have to deal with stuff I have dealt with it but now it's in a box and I can put it away do you miss all the family it's been that long now I've got three kids they've not even met me six year old son and not seeing me 14 year old son he's going to have to put up with the same shit because he has a surname same as me that's all it is because there's no gigs he's about it's only our name so you're obviously related to him and he's going to have to put up with the same shit many kids have you got how do you protect your kids from this because when they go to school you've just got to school them as best you can idiots trying to wind you up if you let them wind you up then that's what they want and they've won you've just got to keep on drilling that down to them my daughter she's 20, 21 she's got a different name so she's kind of gets away with it but my two boys they're going to have to deal with it yeah Mrs Natasha she was in the papers four years ago saying she would have you back or she's working to get you back was that bullshit we have a good relationship now she's got a 14 year old son who plays it off each other so we can't be messing around we've got to be in sync and that's the most important thing everything else decided because you've got to try and stop it affecting as them as much as possible do you think she was manipulated and kind of groomed because of Ryan's stature no, no I could name 10 footballers that she'd been with was that after the team one of them and after it all happened he went to Portugal and I'm with two naughty lads and as I've walked in one of the bars one of the guys stood right behind the door with his mate and I've walked to the bar and as I've walked to the bar I turned and all you can see is the door shutting that's nuts I was filled badly so that was true what about your full basle full basle Danny's just going on how the fuck did you did you know this then but after that was it kind of a relief even though it's sick but was it kind of do you know what well kind of fucked up but at the end of the day you'd be pretty beautiful the ironic bit was she's turned into what I was she was just cheating, lying and that was me so it's kind of calming away you can't believe in something not expected to hit you so that's the kind of way I look at it you can't treat the way women you can't treat the way women the way you have and not expect it to come back and bite you in the ass yes it was a big fucking bite in the ass that's not just a big bite that's taking your whole ass off man but that's the way I looked at it it gave me a better person for it and you get three beautiful kids Ryan had a pregnant as well was that correct and had that got an abortion is that true and it was in the papers yeah what about all the kids and stuff like DNAs no that was that was the first thing I did in the week how hard was that then waiting for your results yeah because I just you know my instinct is really good you just know and then that would have been really that would have been probably more mentally damaging push over there do you think you bit through some shit mate that is some heavy stuff it is like people don't realise that some men can't look take it no psychiatrist, no help, no nothing just friends just talking it through so maybe it would have I would have healed quicker if I did talk to professional people but yeah was that a lonely time for you parts yeah parts when did you come back from Spain when was the first time you spoke after it came out probably about 10 days because they were all scared to come they were all scared because they all thought that I'm a mad man I'm crazy I'm going to kill them all it was quite calm very calm because if you lose your temper then you could have it on a killing spree num to it how much did she get paid for the story do you know I don't know so she's made money from your misery 100 odd grand anyway but the main objective is he's about him bridges now all fucking mistakes people do grow up listen I can switch I can say what I want to say but yeah in the most we're fine how long were you seeing each other for 8 years so just from the start 2003 to 2011 like what about Christmas parties parties stuff like that was never any thing in your mind that you think he's fucking up to something did you know he cheated before or by further women yeah were you doing it together or anything this is what I used to thought he had good friends but yeah not really now because the amount of stuff that then the ironic thing is about that is all his friends would do it as well but the most ironic thing about that their girlfriends would do it as well because I went out with one of their girlfriends who was in their crowd so I know what both sides do so they're all at it that's fucking nuts remember the old program footballers weaves they're all at it this place in worsey this is why I don't drink now or socialise any more everyone's shagging everyone and you could be mate but you don't tell him because it's warped it's warped it's wrong you look at John Terry what he'd done with Wayne Bridge as well do you know what I mean it's sad it's a sad state of affairs that that can happen but it just shows you actually what goes on behind closed doors one of his mates saying Ryan this is what you're doing this is your kid's wife what you're doing but no coming me house I'll have an house for you to do whatever you want to do it's fucking sad that the fact that she was pregnant how the fuck can you do that to your brother I don't care at least I was a bit of a boy back in the day but I had some fucking morals I'd like to think I done a lot of bad shit degrading it's just a very selfish selfish person is he a lonely man he must be he must be I'm quite comfortable in my own skin in my own company this is why it's been no problem in lockdown for me but people like that I've always need to have people around him and pamper him it's always stuff like that's never been for me to get put on a pedestal he deserved to be in a pedestal because he's crazy but no one gives a shit about that anymore because we live in a negative world so he's done that he's ruined his legacy by fucking doing what he did he's got the best career in the world absolute world class footballer but no one will remember that what hot you're the most out there with that all of it all of it yeah do you have a source either too strong for that you've got kids stuff that's what any negative thing but wait a minute why would I put more shit on my kids how am I fucking fucked from my childhood all the shit they've been through and then that it'd just be so why did your mum do this on you everybody's changed it I sell stories, I do this I can't be trusted it's all crap, it's all lies prove it how would you feel if your mum phoned you just now great, see me kids if you want I'm not interested anymore I'm really interested the doors are open for I don't really care I've got three children to concentrate on and you've done that which is the main thing I've got it together mate honestly fair play fair play and it must be difficult to even bring it back up and bring back a lot of emotions and memories this is what I mean it doesn't any mark because after about took five years five years to get over what did you do in that five years did you ever get back with Natasha did you ever we tried we went to side press to pass first bit it was just mentally I was like nah I can't do this too many thoughts going through your head did she ever get help sure do you know what I mean to do all that shit as well that must be difficult that will play back her mind if she gets older I know she probably regrets it now because she was young and deaf and people made deaf mistakes but how old was she my name was happening probably 21 so very young girl seeing someone playing for Manchester United it is a massive turn on no matter who it is no matter who you're married to but you've all got to have more respect and more morals for yourself and especially your man were you married engaged married in 2010 the year before it came out who was your best man she said to me Will Miller so she said when she got married she went to see a Clare Wyatt and she said you'd be forced within the year why don't you see that Clare Wyatt she was bang on that's fucked up Roger that is fucked up mate I don't know how you've managed to pull it all together and on it I genuinely don't make that to have that all over the press and world news and it's fucking nuts mate the party power stuff helped the advert listen we'll touch on the advert because the advert's funny as fuck that that's not even revenge it's not even it's a dig but it's a light dig because it's funny it's funny as fuck how did that idea come about you know what they asked me in 2000 late 2018 and I'm thinking hmm I don't know I've seen an interview with Ricky Gervais he said after life was coming up he said literally you can make comedy into anything he's right he spoke to Will he said if it's decent if it's written well if it's done director was brilliant everyone was brilliant I couldn't have done it without him and yet you get more shit for doing that as if you were doing something wrong people need to weaken the fuck up when it came out there was very little negative I got because I'm big on Twitter on Instagram very little negative you're going to get one or two that was it and I was really surprised when you seen like on YouTube it was like 5 million 6 million and it's banned and then power like banned great they don't give a fuck they do not care so was it a good reaction then at the start when did it how did it start but I've only seen positive messages from it how was it sitting on like GMTV and all the breakfast shows do you feel as if they do they scrutinise you seem as if you get uncomfortable it's just live it's just not for me stuff like that it's just not you do it because it's part of the gig but yeah I don't really when did you get your story across the first time straight away or was it years later no it was I spoke to my family and they said no don't do anything we'll build bridges we'll sort out blah blah this blah blah that and for a year I didn't hear nothing and then she went in celebrity big brother and then just went how was that for you weird do you think that's she craved though so I said don't you open yourself up here don't but she wanted the money and then yeah drink part with Natasha Clyn wanted fame yes but then when she's seen it and thought no no no do you think you could have been a stepping stone you getting used to then getting to other circles I've always been wary of that all through my life and then I've obviously get with her and probably got the worst person to get with why the fuck were you so blinded even though you're so in the ball as well it was a main instinct was telling me this is wrong, this is wrong get out of it for years and I just ignored it my friends like even though it's sad we still give someone the heads up like everybody knows something there's always secrets secrets never get held for very long there's always somebody slips up maybe drunk tells a loved one and then Chinese whispers about four years in I had a conversation with mum saying he's asleep and she assured me that he wasn't what gave you the inkling that he was we split up and it was we was out in Manchester and I was supposed to meet her and United just won the league and she wasn't turning up but I wasn't speaking to her so she thinks I wouldn't turn up to her because every time they won the league they'd have a party in living room it's not living room, Dean's gate so they'd have a party in there so she thought because I'm not speaking to him he won't come here I just fucking turned up straight in and she turned around and then I smashed a phone when I seen messages but the messages were off him but I didn't know they were off him I just seen the messages and smashed the phone what were they saying? I can't remember saying I'll meet you somewhere I can't remember the details but even though this was going on for that eight years was he still looking you in the eye were you still having a brotherhood and still doing stuff on and off but playing golf and stuff he was like in the buggy together I heard you got a new bird it was banged last week sleekit though do you think he was maybe telling her stuff that you were doing even though you weren't as well to fuck with her head? and he was saying so what is he doing where is he getting this money from and they all thinking I'm a drug dealer and trying to drug this old drugs in my life just we're in a deal he was jealous when she was pregnant with your kid pardon? your message said that Ryan was jealous he was pregnant with your kid why man? fucking why? fucking weird that's weird that's fucking annoying me it was man because it's fucking sad that ain't normal that ain't normal for a man to be doing that for so fucking long when you've got with people like this one from a young age they're giving everything and no one really says no to him they get pampered so spoil kids they think they can just have everything without any consequences any repercussions that's nuts man but you see it with people they get too big for the station they think they can do whatever they want not realising how they're breaking down destroying you always come down because it's just the ripple effect then it's the lesson it takes to out of tango both to blame but to run it over 8 years and the misery that's caused even 10 years later there's got to be somebody most surely a fucking letter to say look I'd fucked up I'm a bit older now we've got kids we're going to have grandkids in the future families everything to me everything I do is to get my family out and make better life for them I'm not making much just now but I know I will but I know when I do I'll look after the people who worked with me I see it all the time like footballers and their dads are fucking homeless and their brothers are struggling and their sisters are penniless I'm thinking why fucking lend a hand no matter what they've done where's your fucking soul do you know what I mean it's fucked up man maybe that's why we haven't got why we haven't got because we're so fucking soft do you know what I mean but like you said before I didn't know of it I've got money now and you've got a little bit of money it still doesn't make you you're still searching for stuff to make you really really happy that money's for your kids and for you to build a house for them so they don't have to struggle they don't get thrown out if they do get thrown out they've got their own house so yeah it's so how have you built your life then the last 10 years trying to put some pieces together the struggle at the first I moved away and I got a house with a friend and then I ended up getting a house with Si Heaton who was friends with Ricky and they would go out every night drinking because they were like drinkers they would go out and I'd be like I'll come on then but it wasn't for me they go out they have a good drink and they have a good time I can't do it night and night day after day so it was getting too much and then going out on a Thursday night it's like Friday one o'clock afternoon and I'm like what am I doing what am I doing that was it the drink make you worse problems 100 times worse well I've never been arrested so bad that tells you something then don't it that's right tell it to the lie I got the caution from when all that shit come out and she was opening a mail and she won't let me in the house and a cow was parked outside so I just fucking walked to her car and she went fuck off with one of my wing midders walked to the other one and they went fuck off with the other one I still laugh about it today because they just fucking went and every time I used to see her I picked the kids up fucking the wing midders and she was winding me up and she was like it's the ones that are always up to no good the ones that are always most paranoid as well which can be difficult so over the last 10 years we've tried what about work wise and just how have you been getting through that well I'm a coach football but like I said before class 2 licence I'm a truck driver for 2001 I got it I loved it I loved it I got the paper company for like 5 or 6 years and yeah just done that and then I've got I've got a flat in I bought a flat in London a studio flat in 1999 92 grand in 1999 and the mortgage ended in 2019 so I got that obviously paddy power stuff and then obviously NGN son for how can I say I don't know if I can speak by it actually see if we can take it out if we can they hacked my phone and it's been settled so they hacked the son hacked your phone they've done that with everybody they had gas on a few weeks ago they've done that with gas on they didn't have loads mate who else was I speaking to that hacked your phone yeah sleaky bastards that's how people end up paranoid because I was like on the ball mate I would never let I'll be on the phone because I was always doing stuff that you know it wasn't always legal so you'd never be talking on the phone or leaving messages on the phone so money for nothing cheers what about relationships you've been in? relationships since the last 10 years? yeah I've got a 6 year old I was living with Ashley for about starting with Ashley it was probably around about 2006 2014 2015 and probably the most trustworthy girl I've ever met just really could rely on a trust her which was massive if I would have got with another girl it was not like her she's nasty bit she's a really good mum and really good person really trustworthy though really like ride and die with her so to go from that the kind of talks you're into that relationship was it hard to start to learn how to trust? no because I kind of knew what kind of person she was straight from the bat that proper soulford no really could rely on a really honest person did she know your whole story and what you'd went through as well? you kind of need someone who's kind of a good heart good soul to yeah stick by her through anything just whatever even if it's not in your favour she still stick by her because it's a lot of baggage as well you're bringing it to the table as well do you know what I mean so she would need to be fucking strong because if you're putting the papers because then you know yourself look after your loved ones as well when that can be difficult especially if somebody's not being brought up in that life yeah and if any one contacted her she would just say fuck off straight away and pick up the phone and bring me straight away no one ever's bothered her or neither so you've never had a book out with anything no documentary? no but we started a book this week actually in October people have always asked me to do a book for the last 10 years and things like that why the fuck not why not make some money from your misery why not? because a lot of people who I've had on the show who write books it's their therapy that's your chapter they say and I'm closing this fucking chapter no Paddy Pao was that it was a good therapy thing it was but doing it all and it was brilliant it was such a good experience what were you doing when you were making it because you're taking a piss out yourself people need to understand you're the one who gets fucked over so you're taking a piss out yourself obviously you'd have ruffled a few feathers but that's okay you fucking deserved it you didn't go on a killingsbury you done an advert to take a piss out yourself when you were getting fucked over for eight years straight do you know what I mean? people fucking you over and laughing behind your back and doing what they did so I think it's only fair that you go wait a minute I ain't fucking taking this lying down here's a joke now I'm going to write a book and fucking expose the rest of your mugs just fucking do it you've got the right, you have got the free pass to stand your ground and put your whole life as therapy into a book and just becoming clean and this would have never ever happened and would never have done anything like this if it wasn't so severe or yeah it's just a bad thing to happen so I'm just going all guns blazing now I think rightly so I think go for it man get the face paint on get the grenades in the pocket and just go fuck it let me tin that on and go for it are you excited for a book for the future? do you think a lot of people behind them for cover? probably no not really no so just say yes make people to promote the book to them just say I'm fucking them all if you need it and find out I'm sorry if I keep touching them on this but if your brother phoned you would you put it all together would you accept his apology? he's gone now you need to move on from it this is why I think he dropped a clangor because if he would have done what he would have said and then just get pictures of us wherever whatever and just being brothers then people think oh he's got them a bit no he chose to ignore me he chose to go the way he went it was the wrong one think he's ashamed would you? any normal person would be any mother would be but I'm still the bad one I hope it all gets put together for you you can still see that you're still battling with it no matter what and I can tell that you still love your family no matter how much what they've done but listen you're no fucking saint but who is can listen to the stories that people have done to you do you know what I mean so it's funny it's the ones who are the black sheep they get the fingers pointed but it's the ones who are hiding in the proper white sheep's wool that go under the radar because everybody thinks they're golden and don't make mistakes this would be taboo this oh you can't say anything you can't talk you can't do anything your brother can do what the fuck he wants you've got to suffer through it with all the crap that you've got to put with but you can't say anything you can't do anything you can't just stay there and shut up have you felt as if you've been getting told that your whole life no I was happy to do that but you can't do what you've done and expect me to fucking lie down and be quiet about it I'm going to piss people off even when people don't want to hear it I'm just going to keep on banging it down the fucking throat because he did this not me I was happy I was happy with the first in my life quiet, no trouble going to work 5 to 9 9 to 5 job happy as lovely did Natasha say sorry to you yeah she seemed to have been like a young girl man made her mistakes it fucking is where it is on that at the end of the day she's still mother to my child so you've got to kind of respect her for that where you could live her so it is where it is you just kind of got to move on we had a jealous son to a previous relationship too and I had a good relationship with him and that was just ruined coming to his life when he was like 2 and then he was like 10, 11 when all this shit happened so I built quite a good relationship with him and that was just totally gone and then he goes to school and he gets him bits of money he's come out the other end now he's got a good plumbing job so it doesn't just this is what people need to understand it ain't just affecting you it affects a whole fucking line of people through third years to come because people are always going to talk about it now 20 years 30 years you will get them into it you will get stronger to it when it will just water off her ducks back but I still think people still feel the wrath of you what you can bring to the table to really put it in there everybody else has made money from it so why the fuck can't you I mean you're the one I had to suffer so going forward for the future brother what's the plans we've got the book and production just now what else we've got just getting back to coaching me cos there's been lockdown and stuff just get back out there and coaching doing stuff that you love to do and do the properties as well and I hear my bitcoin in a minute and stuff like that and my cryptos and about that just now that's quite good and just see what happens are you excited for the future yeah I'm like you've got a new dog I've got to go like that every time I finish it's a nightmare absolutely I've got a beagle he's a nightmare just choose everything every little noise he's like I've got to walk around like that is that your first dog yeah they put a smile on your face like you've got to have just a dog a house full of dogs and no fucking humans mate I'd be happy because everybody's got problems everybody's got issues no matter who you are no matter what football team you play for no matter if you're no money I say it all the time but everybody's battling at some degree your brother will be battling Natasha will be battling, your battling your new misses will be everybody's battling some sort of we deal with your problems and worries through external things whether it's sex, whether it's drugs or alcohol or violence we deal with stuff we're all fucking confused nobody knows what the fuck's going on on this planet like I question it like I say then I'm doing a six week documentary just now I've created one of the biggest podcasts on the planet I travel the world making my own documentaries but I wasn't happy everything that I created over the last three years I thought I'd be fulfilled I thought this would make me happy but looking at it I was all fucking bullshit it's irrelevant I'm not really working within so the new six week documentary no social media which I've found a massive I do that anyway come off it boxing day I come off it for three weeks new years all that crap just come off it yeah because it affects Twitter I don't so much because Twitter is just full of weirdos anyway but Instagram is just fake fake it's just too much sometimes to look at that is difficult because as soon as you wake up you're looking at other people's lives you're looking at a fake screen you're looking at an illusion so you're not in reality anymore I want to come back I want to take a couple of steps back and really get into a program where I'm doing everything within so no social media I'm doing meditation every day yoga every day exercise every day cold water exposure every day I've went vegan there's two flips of the coin with that but I just want to try it to see how it is and if I can get it vegan and that's no fish no nothing so in Manchester the day I went a wee shop and it was like bean rice not chickpeas listen I'm struggling but I'm doing it Nick's got his chicken curry and he's just rubbing it in but do you know what I'm feeling good from it I think a lot of people are struggling my platform has grown and I don't want to become a fraud I don't want to become a fake I felt as if I was slipping into that posting shit and give me attention tell me how great I'm doing but it wasn't making me happy so I identify with this straight away I'll make the changes I want to make a documentary to show people what can be done physically, mentally emotionally with doing things more natural It's good you've seen that now we're not in ten years down the line but you're still relatively young so I don't want to come across as sitting in big cars and big watches and doing that and fucking life's great it's all crap it's all pretentious crap who cares what car you drive health is well fast you've still kept lean you've still kept fresh why is that you're still exercising do exercise I just don't post it I just do exercise everyone's posting it I must probably run five ten cake a day I just don't post this unless you've not posted it no but it's just like five cake it's like 20 minutes tops that's good time and with the dog now it's just energetic so let's go out bike ride with him bring a lot of life into you I've got punching bag in my garden I've got weight bed in my garden I've got skipping rope so do all the stuff do you get a lot of trolling still do you ever get trolled no really if you're taking twitter serious that's poisonous you're fucked rod james gigs what is all your social media plug at all at rodjames gigs we twitter my instagram is private instagram is rodry 2477 so no trolling just people just getting on you get trolls it's always usually football I'm a wind up merch to me I'm always winding football fans up so yeah you got to take it as well what team do you support see growing up it was never like Ryan was always mansionated I was like I'd follow players so because John Barnes was black and I kind of gravitated to him so I was a John Barnes fan a lufa blissant fan so what for the I fed in the early days and then when John Barnes went to Liverpool I kind of supported Liverpool but obviously when Ryan started playing United playing for United and you learn the history and all the things that go round with it you just can't help but fall in love with it because even though it's probably the biggest club in the world it still is a massive family club within the training ground and the club the people it still is a family club and the history and obviously the rides the cups that they win being at bars alone the 99 year I probably missed one or two games I went every single game getting all the tickets for nothing though how was that then at that era when you had gigs when you had the Neville's and Beckham's and Scolese's and Butts how did we ever starstruck as well to become the norm I was never starstruck because of an early age and I used to see him always get my version so I would think so I'd never kind of pester him or myver him you'd see him about and say hello and be nice to him like David Beckham really nice Scolese but who else the levels but mostly them Andy Cole, Dwight York, Paul Ince so you kind of get friendly with them but you never really pester them because they always get pestered and myvered but really nice really nice lad David Beckham was the shit that he put up with just didn't change always stayed the same such a nice lad great family the same with the others as well great families how was it that you ever become very close with any other players I would have told him to keep back from you I would have told him to keep back from you I would have told him to keep back from you so when they were there we would always look out for more made sure if anyone was myvering him but never really pester them but they were all all good lads what was Ferguson like I only really spoke to him when I was younger so he was nice to me then I was like 14-15 so he was playful you'd have probably thought though stay back from him if you're causing it getting a spell from skill but you'll actually break it all down cos when I had Gaz on I said to him that you think you could have had a better career working under Sir Alex Ferguson and he says nice look what the fucking trouble the other players have got I kicked a fan but he treated me differently if anyone else did that they'd have been out of the club cos he did it he was eccentric he was away with it he was like the story of like they'd been playing crap or something in the game and Bruce Young someone else thought we're in the clear here cos Eric's just two-footed someone so he's come in the changing he started breaking the players and turned to Eric and said Eric you can't do that son so he treated people can you imagine our player doing that now so he treated people Eric was a cup final I can't say this in my book he was a cup final but I can't remember how old he was 14, 15 and everyone was with the wives and we went on the train but Eric was with two blondes minding he's married and got kids I don't know if through his friends or just I don't know but I remember Pauling's Clarence going mad what the fucking hell is this what are you fucking doing going mad and that's all I can remember but I don't know what he was doing he's got a team full of shaggers then when you break it all down I don't know if he was shagging but I don't know if he was but what was Roy Keane like Roy Keane was I never really met Roy Keane I didn't interact with Roy Keane he nearly got Lee Sharp killed why we were in a night club in Kells it's not there anymore near the airport and Lee Sharp was going out with a scouse girl a mixed race scouse girl and I'm stood at the bar next to her and Roy Keane's pinched her ass and then fucking turned away and she started going sick at me so after about 2 minutes I went fuck this you better shut the fuck get her to shut up or you're getting a dig to sharpie and then that's when Keane was going oh psycho calm down calm down fucking you're getting me in trouble you mate was he as ruthless as they say he was a drinker but he doesn't drink anymore he was a heavy drinker but he doesn't drink anymore was there much drinking going on firmly professional was there Ferguson really put a stop to that because everybody seemed so clean cut back then no but they were drinking but Ryan was he would drink on a Saturday but if they had like a Champions League game in the midweek they wouldn't the sacrifices that the players must put in as well even though they do what they do but to get to that elite level the fucking sacrifices that they do it's unbelievable I remember the premiership being from then when it was Manio on top I remember those days that premiership was when Arsenal had on Rea and you had Vieira it was great matches because they were a real tough Aston Villa was semi-final when he scored that goal you can see me on the treble video a stiff armour stewing just went straight into the pitch and one of the first ones to jump on top of him you can actually see it in the treble video stone island cappa you must have even noticed that you went through the last 10 years you must have had a lot of great memories though brilliant then the 90s and even the first time when they won the Premier League the Blackburn game and he scored a free kit from 25 25 yards did not win it for 20 odd years Old Trafford was buzzing but some great memories home and away every single game by a Munich game I was on the floor we scored the first goal we've got a corner and we're trying to get up and it's gone in that's got to be one of the best games ever but then the other pool game is always good the eventous one that's the two best cup finals I've ever seen when Liverpool came back and then what was the Juventus game, was that Roy Keane? the eventous where Roy Keane scored just before half time every time United score we'd celebrate and then realise because the Italians were pissing in bottles rocks and just throwing them at us and everything people coming up the fucking stairs with blood they were pissing in bottles and just throwing them down because we were at the bottom tier it was a nightmare did you just get any private treatment family members friends? not abroad police was times of baton families they were bad to police, foreign police Italy, Portugal Spain really bad who's the best player you've ever seen? Zidane yeah, a genius Ronaldo did you ever meet Ronaldo? no, Fat Mineldo the Brazilian? yeah, Fat Mineldo he scored that trick for Real Madrid where United had Ferdinand Fidic not bad, not bad I'll tell you then who's the best player you've ever seen at United? Scoles what a player Ryan's close though he's a world-class player flying winger to make a control of midfield you don't know how difficult that is to do but Scoles it's just the way he doesn't look like a player I played against him a couple of years ago I was surprised how fast he was just a couple of yards but yeah just the way he controlled games just his mentality what about when Ryan scored the semifinal the FA Cup it was straight on the pitch Stuart of the whistle was that 40 the best Scoles ever? one of the best Scoles the memories you must have had that anybody would die for those sort of memories to be so close to those world stars that it just so happens that you threw a bit of misery Ferdinand Premier League titles how was that then being on top it was brilliant the way he gained was so good so good such a good atmosphere and they were tidy firm back in them days and I was mixing with him which was not a great idea he used to be on the coach fucking crazy what about the Ronaldo Portugal did you ever meet him? no what was he like player? brilliant when he first come remember when they played a pre-season game and he tore John O'Shea in your ass all and they were just coming from that was there any grievances in the players because I had Andy Gorhamon who played for Rangers and he came to Manu and Roy Keane did not speak a word to him for three months because obviously the Celtic Rangers thing was there any like that mixed with the Manu players was anybody hate each other? Roy Keane, Terry showing him Terry showing Andy Cole didn't talk it's mad though when you think about Terry sharing him and Solcia when they used to come on his subs that's what I know Manu from was when getting beat one now when they never died he done something with Andy Cole and Andy Cole never forgetting and Cole just didn't nothing still could play with him though didn't affect him but you get that sometimes in football played football for 20 years many friends play football many friends did you get any medals yourself played for FC United played for you get any cups and stuff but I can't tell you where they are how far do you want to go with the coaching stuff do you think you can take it to a higher level? I think I'd rather work with 16-18 year olds that's where I'm the best that's what I've done before identifying if it's good enough to move on or if someone holds them back that would just feel comfortable and I think it could help young lads try and not make the same mistakes you did at an early age 16, 17, 18 what do you want to be are you missing about or are you really concentrating focusing on football I think that's good for people who has lived at to had the world at their feet to then could have went professional at a higher level but to then fucking it and go on because it's scary any sort of sacrifice and consistency is very hard in life because to give up drinking, to give up your friends to give up everything to then build a care is difficult no matter what it is in life is difficult but if you've lived it, if you've made the mistakes you know what needs to be done to stay in the straight and narrow you've surrounded yourself with winners as well plus you've been close to probably one of the best youth teams that's ever come through and you know what he went through and what took to get to that level and what you've got to sacrifice to get to that level you can't be missing about if you want did your dad never pop up when Ryan was going through Superstadham he did but just kind of brushed off do you ever think how hard it was for Ryan as well, I know we've given him a hard time a bit here but how hard it was for him to keep putting in that spotlight when you see all these young kids, singers, actors they get into Superstadham and the pressure that just changes them the T changes an individual 17, 18 no, no more change when he was 35, 36 I'm being certain more confident because he was not a confident person like testimonial against Celtic he didn't think anyone was going to turn up that's what he's meant 67,000 people there but that was his main sight I don't know if anyone's going to turn up sad to think that a legend man for what he's done at the game to still be playing at an older age as well 20-odd years to doing his craft at the top levels unbelievable to stay with the one team as well and to go on and kick on at Wales life is life mate we all fuck up I really do hope that you can put the pieces together with the family in the future you're a good guy man I genuinely mean that and I look forward to your book once it's out we'll get you back on again would you like to finish up on anything no no your friend's clothing brand I would say before he started 2-3 years ago but now he's going from strength to strength yeah good on man so we'll put the link to the description for people who want to buy the clothing brand before coming on today brother to tell your story I thoroughly enjoyed it and I genuinely mean that for anybody watching maybe at a young age 14, 15, 16 let's maybe want to get my head down with our football player what advice would you give for them work hard and concentrate eat well, sleep well everything, all the details you know if you really really want to sacrifice and really want to be a footballer you know it's not an easy job but you've got to sacrifice some stuff brother thank you God bless check out more of my podcasts on the right and be sure to like share and comment your thoughts on this week's podcast thank you