 Welcome to number 348 of vlog Thursday. I double-check and stare at that so it's definitely not wow that's a lot and that's cool. I'm gonna start out today with I have a little bit cold so I will mute if I go into one of my sneezing issues as I'm calling them basically sometimes I can't stop sneezing or a little bit of coughing but I have a mute button so I will not torture any of you with that my phone started auto-playing the the live stream I was looking at I send it to someone via my phone so alright that's muted fix that anyways I have a video I'm gonna drop in here I didn't know what to do with this video so I went out to a decommissioned data center and I thought it was kind of cool but I don't know if it's like a dedicated video so what I'll do though is I can play the video here I can stay in the chat while it's just a few minutes I think it's like a six-minute video I'll play that talk about some questions you know Q&A if anyone has questions about it but one of the first things I want to do is one I'll answer the questions that are in here in a second so my arm is mostly back to normal so I'm not supposed to do any off-roading for a while so I'm gonna stop with the off-roading for probably at least a few more months and just I'm just doing casual motorcycle riding I already been out on my motorcycle you know doctors like stay off the motorcycles because doctors always say things like hey stay off the motorcycles but being on motorcycles you know brings them some business occasionally so there's that but I want to answer you know vlog Thursday alarm systems dot com people like to email me and ask some questions and I don't know if I 100% understand the question but I'll read it to you and so I was wondering if you have any recommendations for software tools to help implement regular ask access code reviews across disparate systems active directory file shares M365 and applications with various reasons to have their own off well if it's AD and office 3 or M365 that we can audit because that's a pretty common tool for the enterprise but I don't really have any third party necessary I mean we use auto elevate for permissions elevation but I don't think that's exactly the question you're asking it kind of comes down to like if they're disparate systems and you're trying to synchronize them usually you want a singular tool or system to centralize all your authorization generally speaking for the majority of our clients I think we may have a couple that are running octa but most of their identity centers around their office 365 so you just tie everything to that and that's generally how you will look at identity management is from that aspect of it so the that would be maybe if you want to email back a more in-depth question on that like I said I don't mind talking about it and one of the things we kind of got we we had it as a topic last week me and Jason Slagle did but didn't really dive deep into it was talking more in depth about the tools we used that will probably just be a dedicated video after the merger there's a lot more tools to talk about than my previous video that was about a year ago where I talked about the tools we use so there'll be an expanded video coming out on that I like the way it's framed inside a CNWR we call it the client defense matrix and I thought that's a good way to present it to all of you is here's the tools and here's the why we use each of these tools in a matrix just so you can have some behind the scenes for those you curious like what are all the things that are used at CNWR to manage all the clients because I see these questions pop up all the time through uh all all these different things and yeah it's definitely uh it's a fun topic yet uh I saw your picture in 45 drives video day looks like uh you and a bunch of youtubers went through hq yes I was only there virtually because of my injuries I did not get to actually go there physically I wasn't sure if I was supposed to travel so yes I was there virtually hanging out with them and it was a lot of fun uh it says it's going around you got it from uh got it from Columbus as in were you were you at the Ohio Linux Fest and I see this thing did you and Jason survive the COVID outbreak is that what happened is so some of us tested positive some people tested negative at the vintage computer festival was there a COVID outbreak if you can uh confirm I I don't know where to look for that information other than amongst my friends and uh but not all of us like we all got sick but not all we tested but not all of us tested positive so it's kind of like uh some did so I I'm going to assume uh so oh I got it all right yeah there's no good antivirus for this particular thing here but let's jump into that video so we can keep that um okay so you tested positive and several others got it I I didn't like I said I didn't know too many people there other than the friends that I went with who all got sick so apparently it was quite the outbreak uh quite the outbreak there I guess then um if it's that that big a news so to speak but let me see if I can get this video to play uh let's see here for more systems and now I gotta wait for the video to upload and uh that's Ali which I see him this is uh Ali I got I realized when I do this I gotta wait for it to upload let me know if you can hear the audio though to make sure I I hear it fine I'm assuming it plays fine through stream yard I've never pushed a video to stream yard this way it's a feature it's just never a feature I tested so I'll play this and we'll walk through this and by the the information here I do talk about where this building is this is over in Dearborn I'll have Ali's contact information if you if you this building is empty and it's for lease so this is what 22015 outer drive normally when we're at a data center I can't tell you where we're at I can't deal with legal to let me there but uh this is my friend Ali he does lots of work for us doing lots of cabling I've got some videos I have to edit with him out there but we're gonna go look at a data center now we're actually standing out back of it so we're just in an alley but this is how you know that this is a data center not just because of this little address which clearly has nothing on there or the front of the building which looks ominously empty you can't tell what this building is when you pull up to it can you so low key it's very low key you know the only hint you get don't know how to start before we go inside is when you have a gigantic Cummins generator here so yeah this is behind this little building for those of you who may already paused the video and googled the aerial overview you can see this from the sky I love how big that switch is over there don't worry this is powered down I can touch these things because this place is not in use it's actually vacant right now I will mention here at the beginning of the video there's no sponsorship or anything here but this is Ali and friends and I know them if you're interested there's a link down below if you're interested in acquiring this empty building or leasing it or whatever but we're gonna start with the demarcation now normally this would be so loud I couldn't record in here and as I mentioned usually there's a bunch of legal reasons because I've always asked we go in a lot of data centers and I mean what's the first rule Ali turn off the phone turn off the phones where's your phones where's your phones leave them at the front desk leave them in your pocket you can't take pictures there's a series of rules you have to go into but because this is uh gone they cut all the fiber too yeah oh that's just yeah those are the leads in and then the main one the dedicated circuit it's still hung up there worked up there yeah so the the main circuit's still good it's right there so there's still the main circuit left but they uh cut the fiber leading to you cut the fiber leads for all the other parts look at this this is that's a travesty all right so this is where the demarcation starts this is where we have actually our first sets of ups batteries so enough says this is all off look at that there we go there's all the ups batteries and things like that once again I love how big that is now walking through there's offices down there so this building does have offices here's a little maintenance server room there's a little what do we have here old foundry switch mounted it's so weird to be in a data center like this one it's just quiet now databases are not built with a normal floor so this may look like a floor can we move these Ali yes give you a hint what's going on down here there we go here's how the raised floors work in these so this right here not much light so you can but you can get an idea this is so all the cable goes underneath and then we're going to go over to each of these and show you how they come through so we're going to open this up and then you have this is how the pull-throughs come each at the bottom kind of going through the racks and here's an idea of how easy these panels just kind of pop up for each floor for rearrangement this keeps it kind of minimal for we do have a ladder act going across here that feeds some of these that some of the fiber feeds but this is how you get to it so if we wanted to move any of the racks around this is that way we're going to be able to get to it like this one doesn't have a pull-through because these ones were fed by the trays that come up through the top but these ones over here as you can see they got a little piece of foam in there whoops that is now down there this is where the wires would come through that's where the plugs are for each of the racks so when you're building out the data center it's kind of different ways of looking at it it's not like your normal where you're just going to have everything come from the top you generally like a lot of it with these floor-mounted and raised floors for pulling this through now the reason these boards are right here and right here but that is normally what you would see there these are the HVAC cooling systems that are going to pull all the air because one thing about having this many servers in one place is all that wattage that this place brings in turns into a whole lot of heat so you have a system on this side that are paired and the other systems well when this system got decommissioned this place got decommissioned at the time these sides are taken out but you have redundancies for each one of these so you see these different power supplies on each side which you try and open it and there's all the panel boards everything's in the off position we already know this is powered down normally i don't like to open these things but it gives you an idea for how each of the racks are labeled and how each one of these be able to say hey this goes to each one of these circuits oh nice little label that they slide it in like that looks good then you have each one of the panel boards and any individuals here for the power now this is the main power delivery room so this is upsb there's upsa this looks a lot older i like this green the green style then it's like from forever ago that's kind of cool too i'm not going to turn it because i don't know what is or it's not powered on but i don't want to cause any problems uh fed from multiple sources 480 volt we actually have on this one i think it's 600 volts in so these are each 480 volt and then this system we have 175 amp at 600 volts 175 amp at 600 volts on this side then we have this is what runs that generator uh behind there so we have the generator which is in normal mode available emergency i like that they have the instructions here just in case you uh want to do it i'm not going to i want to turn it but i'll stop i'll resist and once again nice little warnings that we have on here one thing that's really cool is just all the different things they've abandoned here we have and i don't know if these are good or not i'm not going to put my tongue on that to find out because these are uh 450 volt capacitors man that is these are beefy these are for the ups i don't know they're all in the box or the left what else is some of the equipment that that's really cool to look at i see the water system which i think is still hooked up out front that's not it's always a little bit scary to see in a data center let's walk over to the front of the building yeah this is where all the water pressure comes in for that so it's again in case of fire open door and pull all right i want to touch everything it's just kind of neat it's kind of neat to see all of this just kind of sitting here and it's so weird to be in here with everything just being quiet and silent i mean normally when i see this many racks here you see all right i almost see like headphones because there's this drumming on of all the fans and stuff like that but this is pretty cool this is a neat little place i just wanted to do a little walkthrough show you what one of these places look like and this is not the most modern data center you know we had another request we had we tried really hard to show you guys a data center that was built brand new and a couple years ago has a flywheel instead of a ups those are super neat data centers to see and uh but unfortunately the legal just would not let us take pictures of it or do a video and talk and we we offered all kinds of promotion for the client like just to let us do it and they turned us down but it's kind of neat to see just how a lot of this gets built out and what happens when it leaves this is a giant cisco box too 18t cisco box a cisco optical network system i'm still i still think it's a shame they cut all these yeah that's uh yeah job security yeah they're like someone's gonna read these we're just we're just grabbing the snips yeah be like we're just we're cutting all the fiber in here that's a shame except for the main one that's a shame i never found if they had that redundant see i don't know all for the extra beads on here yeah it's still pretty cool to walk through here ups the a batteries but that's all i'm not going to touch any switches i'll leave you all with that this is just kind of a neat little data center tour and a little walkthrough all right so i see right away someone asking questions i'm just going to answer it right and try to type it all out the flywheel data center super cool um i unfortunately wasn't even allowed to take a picture of it i've actually been in two or three data centers that had flywheels and no time when they let me even take a picture of the room with the flywheel which kind of drove me nuts what's up son oh he's came down here okay um so the interesting thing about the flywheels is they do have a really usually have two of them uh so they can maintain them so they can take one offline and swap the bearings i figure how many years the bearings last and it's not that they fail as much as the preventive maintenance so there's no downtime there's like some amount of time they they stop the flywheel swap the bearings they went through the whole process i don't remember exactly what the cycle time was on it but it was quite long and the flywheel was more expensive than a battery purchase at first but over time it it was the the return on investment was like your first replacement of the batteries um was enough to offset the cost of it so it's one of those things like it didn't um it had a really big upfront cost and then was steeply down over over time so as long as you plan to run the data center for a number of years it really paid for itself yeah marcus wants pizza of course that's that's what's happening after this uh after his live shows or so uh let's see he wasn't a data center at night uh and a cleaner decided to clean the red button instant dark could hear all the drives slowly spinning down yeah that's true maintenance like a light for flywheels that's what i was mentioning you definitely replace before failure comes to a bearing uh holding that much spinning mass a lot of energy and bounce around the rooms yeah i i mean you don't really want to see well i i actually kind of say i don't want it to happen to a data center that's important to me but what i like to see the video of a flywheel coming apart i mean as long as no one was hurt i think it'd be an interesting physics lesson but the you can you can google search or youtube search um flywheel data center there's there's videos on it from the companies that sell them there's just no videos from people like me because so far i've never gotten permission and there was a data center that we had got this close this close because they were bragging about a feature they had they laid and i mean physically between a 30 mile difference they ran all the fiber between two physical data centers that were just about like 20 to 30 miles apart and had a really cool custom design hyper converged infrastructure that allowed them to easily move vms across the fiber and we got them we we had all the technical people who we they turned out they were watching my youtube videos and they thought it'd be really cool if i did a video there their legal department was so close saying yes and they told us no no you can't we can't have any of this filmed and we're just like ah so uh this is that this building was one of the few times i can actually without having any legal problems go through and show you what's inside of the data center let's see back in the 90s from austin really neat yeah yeah flywheel flywheel versus yeah it's gonna be devastating if all of those um it's all they're big i mean they are i'm sure we could find one um try and find one that looks like the one i've seen here's a picture of one this uh let me share the screen present this is way more basic than the one the one i seen were pretty intricate and big more like this those are even bigger but i you punch in data center flywheel there's different ones the ones we seen were standing upright so they were pretty pretty tall yep i'll try to find someone to have one didn't look like it oh well it's still a really cool thing any any specs on a home flywheel install yeah i i have no idea what those cost so my guesses are not likely to go in any home users oh this is interesting hold on well these video all these uh pages looks like it might be might have some more details it's easier to tell your field guys to jump away and tell them to unplug out rj5 well and i think someone else pointed out um if you want to protect the ports in the device and you don't have the little caps anymore if you cut the wires you have caps now so there's that that's like an option you know so there's something else so allegedly hold on this is from this is from sysco's flicker is this sysco random things i found yeah this is uh sysco are these all sysco's pics yes i didn't know sysco had a flicker account interesting let's go back to the we're not gonna go let's go explore sysco's flicker account because why not interesting this is i started with the old side of it so huh so sysco has a flicker account and they post all kinds of photos to it you can tell some of these are really old i'm looking for something with a date on it are you cloud ready yeah where is i looking for a date it's so much random in here remember these when sysco bought linksys and just stuck their label on it they're like look we we made consumer products now we bought a company gives you an idea of the age oh well i'll this will be for some later there's gotta be some treasures in here mostly it just looks like corporate garbage picks anyways all right enough of that enough of that so i hit the mute button to spare you that noise so i don't like it myself either i didn't have a lot of other topics today so we can do a lots of q and a um but i'm not gonna keep this going too long because i'm not gonna keep it too long because i'm not feeling at my best and i'm gonna sneeze a lot more that is for sure uh what else did i have i trying to think oh you know what i do have something else let me drag it over here this is something i'm finishing up my review on takes you back to what data centers look like about 20 years ago yeah um but i've been working on the synology well the synology ha is i got a couple questions in there for synology but i'm almost done with this video here uh talking about this particular sa 3400 d synology and these are these are pretty neat it's it's one of those things that someone's going to complain about it not being uh consumer facing if you will but i'm just like i don't know what what people were expecting um as far as you know consumer facing stuff uh but it's kind of neat because i was just doing some consulting today with someone's looking for something budget oriented and this at around eight thousand dollars is pretty budget oriented for a high availability system you know we sell everything from ix systems to 45 drives to all that and you know the synology has a good niche because they they make it i mean i i know the annoyance people have with the drive lock in that synology has but the other side of it is the fact that they make such a reasonably uh priced ha system and it has a five-year warranty so for a life cycle of five years not bad for that price and i'll share this out this is the part i'm waiting i want to get confirmation with analogy but it supports their synology drives which is what bothers people but they have a list of third party drives on this model that are supported so this is the sa 3400 d and here's a list of the drives it supports so you know that's not bad they're all enterprise ones but yeah um hey i'm extending you for the news in orcs ui looks really sick i really do like the new xo ui i think they're doing a great job on it um i xo light already has the new ui so if you look at xo light you get an idea what it'll look like it's definitely really cool but back over to share this tab instead greetings onica it's my daughter uh open switch do i have opinions on it no not really i haven't used it so i don't really have any opinions um hey time do you ever use passmark on your server you don't kind of score as you get zen servers i'm working on performance tuning r630s uh i use pharaonics i don't i haven't used passmark but i usually use pharaonics uh we'll be more scary lead acid ups to have lithium fire from the batteries is broken fire wheels escaping there's all kinds of danger in the data center uh can you recommend an open source network filter no i don't know any good ones so i can't recommend any of them because there's not any that i know that are good at all uh they're they are what they are after meeting with more youtubers has your strategy changed um no it's not really changed it's always making sure i figure out how to optimize things but it it's this weird balance of um you know i think i have an example i can share i drew this the other day i do a lot of rationalizing of things so i i was just playing around in canva but this is the hard part is when you're doing content creation you you got what the platform wants what you want to make and what the audience wants and trying to figure out the alignment between all these things is super hard there's no easy answer for this so uh it's always thinking about it and i do most of the time where i live is the what tom wants to make um i'm not particularly driven as much by the algorithm because i don't have to be if my my channel doesn't get as many or my videos don't get as many views and my channel doesn't grow as fast but i get to make the content i want i'm happier what would change that dynamic and what keeps me from uh having to focus on it too much is if i ever didn't have a job if i were unemployed if you will and trying to make youtube my full-time strategy well that last you end up trying to lean more what the platform wants and what the audience wants you kind of move yourself over to there with content creation so that's one of the big challenges is you know figuring that out now i i just have to be content that i'll post a video that may not get much engagement at all and the reason it's not going to get much engagement is because it's just not what you know it's still what i wanted to produce and i'm happy with the people that engage with it but other people are like yeah that's just not interesting to me or it's just not what i want to see perfect example that's going to be and we'll go ahead and uh share this tab instead if we run through my youtube stats here um i you know i wanted to talk about the vintage computer festival so i did and 2000 views maybe some people think 2000 views is a lot but compared to me talking about microsoft which got 21 000 views me talking about cisco switches or trunas which got 21 000 views or 20 000 views you know a tutorial on ha proxy you can see in firewall up which i kind of predicted because it's a question it comes up a lot 33 000 views but i wanted to talk about vintage computer festival so it just even though it's a newer video it doesn't it probably won't get many views and you'll see other ones around here you know the the number of people asking me questions about the cisco or i'm sorry the sonology bc 500 camera even though that video is all the way from over a month ago it's only got 6 000 views so you kind of bounce around with youtube figuring that out but i still produce the content i want more than anything else which a lot of time lines up with what people want to see i get the feeling you have really strong preferences for false and a tiny bit too much money for the open switch to make sense if you're happy and interested in content and make better quality content is you naturally want to put in the effort with less resistance yeah part of it you know from a strategy standpoint one of the huge problems with youtube is the fact that youtube favors niches the more you niche your channel into a singular topic you build an audience better so me and jay from learn linux tv we're talking about this and one of the huge things for jay is the fact that you know he's learned linux tv what are you going to learn from jay linux what does he post on the channel linux tutorials there's no question he's a very he's a very knit channel and he focuses on and does a great job of doing linux tutorials and if i focused on just certain tutorials like maybe just a couple topics and just rocked out those my channel would probably skyrocket but a lot of times though the content i produce people find the tutorial because it answers the question of how do i get a thing done but they never subscribe because that's as much as they care about did you ever experience a failed motherboard on a synology that was causing hard to extract even if the disk got a new synology on a consumer lineup actually we we've had um we had a really old synology i mean this thing was ancient um someone brought us and we popped the drives in a new synology and recovered it so i've had good luck recovering synologies in they've we've been we've had a couple die but for the volume of synologies that we sell having a couple dies are really low percentage i don't have the exact number for you know the number sold but it's it's so few that have ever failed and i i i've not really considered an issue but anytime we've had a failure recovering the data has never really been a problem we want a firewall review yeah yeah i don't cover like the iphone 15 that's not it i don't use iphone at all but even an android phone same thing i use android but i'm still not that interested in phone reviews i don't even watch them can you can build building a storage number avoid routing xo proxmox yes i've been working on sketching out and maybe i'll do that tomorrow um i i need i'm just doing this i hate to do it like this but it's the easiest way to present it i'm going to do a whole series of storage scenarios i already started drawing it um i'm going to do them as slides where i speak to each slide it's the easiest way for me to go through and do a presentation of how to set up different storage scenarios so here's a scenario here's where this one works here's not our scenario here's the way you set this up um you know the simple answers are don't route storage the more complicated answers are how you present i scuzzy to windows and how you design virtual machines for storage but i'll definitely that's a that's a video i've been working on because we just had an internal conversation with some of the staff we do solution planning meetings and things like that so you know we have these internal discussions how are we gonna approach building a solution for a client so i talk a lot about storage design i had a good consulting call today once again about storage design for a pretty large customer in terms of the volume of you know i i think they have like 200 virtual machines across a lot of a large user base so yes um it's definitely a topic i'm going to be covering very soon can you start by least views maybe i my old videos have like no views so it's just it's all the old stuff um on my channel so it's yeah there's it is you go to old videos on my channel there's no there's nothing here's something interesting youtube can't count hold on this can't be true i can't make any sense of this i'll share in a second once i get to the part so here here's me sorting by views and for some reason i can't figure this out but i'll just point it out because it's funny so here's these views they only have like 200 views it's just old videos on my channel um from 2014 but 200 2400 207 why is this one in the middle of all these so it's not actually sorting by the i don't know what it's sorting by i have no idea that's just weird uh sub channels and oh you wish youtube let you have sub channels and viewers subscribe um specifically if they just a lot of people subscribe to playlists they would solve the problem um i got sick of it pulling my hair out so i quit wearing my hair in a ponytail and when i messed up my arm i couldn't put my hair in a ponytail yeah and this is part of it too youtube niches your audience the people who subscribe to 8-bit guy expect a certain level of content and the people who subscribe to me expect a certain level of content and the the crossover is not exactly there the unified switch firmware is creating some recent noise about issues interfering with dcp some have even finding your hearingness no um make sure let's see what version i'm on don't have any issues myself but they're all up to date because not seeing updates what uh where does it tell me the switch firmware version is down here it's on whatever the latest firmware is i don't see the oh there it is maybe maybe memory usage divide yeah 6559 right there so i don't know i don't have any i all of our systems all the client systems are up to date so no issues there did you benchmark that um it's well you can't really benchmark synology versus true nas that's not at all how that works i mean how would you compare the two they're not they're not one to one on the hardware i do these benchmarks so i have all the pharaonics benchmarks that i'll i'll throw these in the video i can throw a link down here people just want to look at them but they need context of me talking at them hey tell us one thing for your input on a 45 drives homeland project so far awesome what's the good reason price alternative pocket ethernet uh i don't know i don't use the pocket ethernet so i'm not sure oh you hate the chat box that the emoji chooser is right above all right well that's how youtube does it 200 vm's how many hosts uh i forgot it's like six seven we have h a synology model production has been great in my look always lacking documentation so i drive firmware updates hmm interesting i've done the firmware updates on the synology drives they seem to go fine i haven't we've never had to open a ticket on it number of hosts can be tricky for a large number of vm's microsoft licensing makes it inefficient to have lots of hosts yeah uh when when you have to do any programming what is your bird language of choice bash that's all i do is bash so i don't write any code what is stuff like for storage if not uh progress beyond a couple external drives one for medium one for backups um 45 drives probably has your best videos on sef they they've got a whole lot of them if you the best place to learn about it it's probably going to be 45 drives what about budget storage designed for small business they have a ton of money to throw with their backup solutions uh that don't that have a ton of budget and have a ton of money i'm trying to understand i guess i need to understand what you uh the context of the question matter yeah uh youtube actually doesn't expose the correct numbers for all sorts of things eventual yeah consistency is rough yes that dorm days was interesting and the flywheel idea is pretty cool too i think they tried a bus using one didn't work though i imagine it'd be crazy seeing a bus using one can you have ssd cash drives and sef yes sef does support um high like you can build metadata drives and sef for high speed access uh actually the if you watch tecno tim's video at 45 drives he covers that as a topic he mentions the fact that the 45 drives makes one of their hybrid servers and purpose the purpose of that hybrid servers they have lots of you know larger standard three and a half inch spinning platter drives that hold the data but then using sef you have a series of faster drives to hold all the metadata so you can you know index things fastly but still have a large amount of storage sef does a good job of that i do not have and it's low on my priority maybe one day uh but it's really low to do a free radius unify enterprise setup can it be done yes well i do a video on it not anytime soon i just have too many other things to do before i get to that that's one of those videos that is not going to get a lot of engagement not going to get a lot of views there's so few people asking for it it's the same reason i joke around and i don't plan on learning meekertik but i always laugh people have told me many times you get lots of views if you do meekertik if you look there is um i forget the person's name but he does a bunch of meekertik videos very low views uh that just doesn't seem to be a big demand for that uh and it takes time consuming is the problem so for me to do that video it's there's a lot of technical details so it's me putting hours and hours into something that most people aren't going to watch because there's write-ups on it and the the people who want the more technical things seem to prefer write-ups over videos i don't know where that balance is like my h.a proxy videos doing well but it seems like if you go too deep into weeds in some videos you people seem to want the write-up but maybe sometime i'll do a video on that i don't know to update x away from sources am i following the install instructions or are there better way you just follow the instructions you just run though run that same tool again but choose option two which is update no it's it's all the same hardware that at the data center there's s i mean they might be that's an older data center so i don't know what was in there probably still sfp pluses but it's the same stuff i mean you might get a hundred gig in a new data center so the benchmark two nas versus analogy build a true nas system with as close as possible specs i it's not it's it's still more complicated than that and um because you're not comparing apples to apples zfs is going to beat sonology so the too long didn't watch is true nas is going to beat sonology no doubt and the reason for that is you can tune and optimize zfs more so than you can tune and optimize the sonology there's more knobs to turn there's more details you can dive into with true nas it's going to outperform sonology so you know it's it's one of those things and you buy sonology for a different reason than you buy true nas and maybe for the purpose of storage but you know they're they're different animals but your experience with customers who have foregone on prem for cloud aws in particular um lots of them do it you know we've got a client that they're they run in the cloud 100 percent they've got locations all across the us hold on sorry they have locations all across the us the cloud is perfect for them because their offices are usually just a few people in each office because the nature of what they do and cloud works great so it's not really it's it each client's different it all depends on what they're doing so some people cloud works awesome some people cloud does not work is awesome because they need a bunch of on-prem stuff um i don't really have a take on the ltt controversy i talked a little bit about it on uh with jeff from craft computing you know i don't watch a lot of their videos i hope they do better um that's about it you know what i mean it's like i would like to see them if i don't watch your videos to tell you if you know everything that nexus gamer uh is it or is it nexus i don't know what his name is um you can tell i don't really watch those channels that much they're big in the industry so i know who they are uh gamers nexus you know i hope they do better uh it's not a bad thing sometimes to get called out think about things and correct them simple as that so i bc linus and he admitted hey there's some mistakes i watched his hey we're sorry video and i was like yeah okay they made some mistakes and they're going to fix them awesome having ssd cash people look at you faster restores image backup uh not necessarily uh tech is a side hobby for me but some people live in it we're old to me that say it'll be gone in five years is that true no say it will not be gone in five years i mean i'll admit ide might be gone but ide was really really old it was around forever i don't see sada going away anytime soon matter of fact it's uh there's going to be an upcoming video i do where i dive deep into the mechanical hard drives with this with a person who's been building mechanical hard drives for the last 20 plus years it's going to be a fun video because this this person has a level of expertise that blows your mind about how mechanical drives work it's the same people have been telling me mechanical drives are going away they're not uh ssds have a place mechanical drives have a place and one piece of technology isn't replacing the other anytime soon uh good meekertik videos i am lost the computer she almost 20 years but by meekertik from home i'm lost if you google meekertik videos he's the network burg but he's if you google meekertik he's the only person that really comes up besides meekertik um for for the meekertik videos trueness has more settings that you can be paid to set back default yes oh yes yes that's true for uh for sure still mourning the demises cuzy what hba cards are using whichever ones they ship in the system uh for things like the uh trueness 45 drive system i think they're all lsi's yeah most of the 40 i think 45 drives has lsi's and most of theirs with mv me coming consumer device to say that we'll go to way of id uh sass then we're replacing seda not anytime soon i maybe another 10 years maybe longer um it's just the way the technology goes especially because hard drives are not going to there we don't have a new technology that is really jumping up to replace these it's i don't think hard drives are going to be replaced or port calls for drives it's a very slow and incremental replacement it's not uh it's not like these leaps but eventually some new technology might come out that just offsets these at an incredible rate we were promised lots of things uh was it you know there was a couple i think it was ibm storing things in crystals was it was an ibm that did that ibm there's a it was an old article let me find it i'll dig it up it never came to fruition that's the thing it was all this really cool you know we're gonna build this um incredible crystallized storage thing i don't remember what it was i remember a bunch of fanfare about it years ago and i'm never i can't find the article on it it's still never come to fruition it hasn't it's vaporware still i think that only time he's will die is when the cost is cheaper than ssds spinning drives away theoretical limit for a spinning drive to reach and uh three half well see we haven't found the theoretical limit the the small and incremental expansion of these drives this is one of the reasons i i'm having this engineer come on my channel and we're going to have a good discussion on it because they what like what you see now versus what's coming there's still more that we we haven't hit the innovation limit on the spinning drives and because the spinning drives go through such a long life cycle what this engineer is working on today is stuff that you won't see for another year or two that is he and like he said that will mean him had a conversation already we've talked a couple times about this um it's just amazing how much more innovation there is so you're going to start seeing still ever increasing sizes and drives increase size increased performance on spinning drives or they're far from dead uh if you google zima if you just google like 3d print for zima it comes right up so it's it's uh it's not anything we did we just grabbed it off probably thingiverse i believe i have a link to it inside my uh z inside there if not i mean it's a google search away there's nothing special about it uh save me leave that's not simple and be msata santa msata that's not the answer to our santa or sata you know it just depends on the storage needs theoretical limit for density is what a spinning three-and-a-half drive possibly have yeah hp file it's got a broad count 9508 i do you know what try mode marketing refers to no i don't know what try mode marketing is in work stage servers spinning rust will keep sata alive yes um i don't know where that is i'd have to find it i somewhere we might have it on stl i have one behind me you can kind of see stuck to the wall over there i wish three-and-a-half drive for consumers at a cheap price had multiple actuators um yeah try mode hp's have the potential support sass uh sata sass then we program it's the concept used in the gen two stornado mention and techno tim video interesting windows glass was the version of crystal data storage huh yeah i don't yeah so the the video window did is really interesting window from level and text in a video about the new drives that each drive shows up as two drives um that's some interesting engineering uh so yeah there's there's only um there's some limits to how much data can be stringed out of these drives so you do have some limitations on that but most of the time people are pushing for larger capacities and then you're spreading this across you're spreading your reads and you're spreading your rights across a large array of drives so and that's that's what gives you your performance it's not the individual drive performance it's the how fast it is spread across the array um yeah so the trick to making true to ask for property of them is one when a single drive presents itself as two drives you don't want to put those two drives as part of a single vdev so he had a way to identify each drives pairing so you could split them between the vdevs that was the um that was what was like the tricky part of setting those up what happened to the hybrid drives they had both ssd and sata they didn't work near as well as anyone thought they would i think they kind of failed i don't know if it was from complexity or compatibility um but they never seemed to really catch on i've never really looked into why i just know they kind of fell out of existence i think there was better solutions to that problem than that will's video is about the new dual actuator drives yeah it presents two drives interesting yeah so it's a neat concept because it's got the dual actuators in there and it presents us two drives that's just it's really cool um but also a little confusing because if you're not familiar with how to set that up you can think of a failure mode where you put all these drives into a single vdev and one if one drive represents two drives failing your failure mode doesn't match your normal vdev failure mode for raid z one z two or z three so you have to make sure your strategy is right about how that works uh 45 drives homemade if 40 the home lab system if 45 drives are using off the shelf parts what's the advantage for a home user uh buying their upcoming storage server for a home lab it's just a nice high quality server this is one of the reasons 45 drives made it jeff from craft computing myself tecno tim we're all kind of excited about this because we're all part of the creator's window as well and i think it fits this niche where people are looking for a premium product for the advanced home lab user it's not the budget i'm trying to get started i'm trying to find the cheapest thing and someone immediately you know this is a forum post uh about people talking going oh i can just get a use system well this is not a use system we're looking for a repeatable sellable system for the small business market for the home lab market for people go i want to be able to buy something new not monkey with it be you know nice high quality well machined well fitting system uh to you know build your home lab on it's it's a niche it's not it's not the for the masses it's not how cheap can we make a box it's about making our high quality device and those other options still exists people who just go well i'm just going to pull a use one off ebay well cool you're never the target audience if you're planning just to buy a used one you're not the target audience if you're planning to buy um you know just looking for the how cheap can i get a disc shelf for you know it's kind of a niche market but i think there's a big market for it and that's why 45 drives made it so i know i like some of the higher quality stuff and it's not just because i'm you know working more in enterprise it i'm just you know if you're if you have a few extra dollars to spend on something nice like that i generally do and this outside of home lab this is kind of my same thing i have a lot of nicer premium things if you will in sometimes you go hey i'd like to have this nicer version of something so there's people out there that can afford it they work in tech they go i'd like to have something really nice i know i have it's just you my cyber security friends they um they make a lot of money a whole lot maybe a lot more than me they uh yeah they don't mind spending on something like this or like oh cool i can buy a really nice brand new quiet server 15 drives that they're interested in things like that so oh let's see i get it late at the end of video is that your data center uh no i did not buy this i did not buy that data center i don't i don't need a data center right now maybe in the future i will but that's not a today problem uh stuff would also be confused and that's probably speaking of the dual dual actuator drives oh no doubt yeah if you had four of these dual actuator drives in a rate five you're gonna have a bad day i heard those fusion hybrid jays had some uh failure rates but eventually regular two and a half inches he became so cheap hybrid drives died just to no one wanting them probably like i never really dug into the history i might just know they were a thing for a little while until they weren't so if you ever rate z z1 two little drives fails showing four drives you'd be in trouble if one drive went wrong i guess true nas will eventually have to update identification i'm warning about that well i don't think true nas is going to do anything about it unless these drives become the norm this is a one-off drive there's one model that does this one so until there's more models that do this i don't think true nas is going to update their system to it maybe they will but if dual actually if dual actuators become a thing i'm sure they will today it's not it's a drive not like a common uh thing so yeah this is you're right pulling one drive out you're pulling two so you're degrading two different v devs when you do it so you uh but you yeah so you want to split these two drives between arrays that are not there's more specifically you want more v devs you'd want to split these drives across multiple v devs to get the redundancy properly uh the 45 years people look really committed and enthusiastic yes they are working with them see we sell a lot of enterprise solutions with them uh we've sold petabytes and petabytes of storage of 45 drive servers like these are solutions we are providing actively to the enterprise space i mean we're writing a hundred thousand dollars of checks to 45 drives so we're very familiar with their products but what's cool is they don't stop there they're not a company that's i mean they're they like selling these high-end products to us but they're also enthusiastic about the it community as a whole and building something that can be put into more average person's hands because i as much as i see my friends in cyber security want a nice premium product they're not spending 50 thousand 60 thousand dollars on a storage server but they're willing to spend a couple thousand dollars on a server that can do quite a bit if you split them into two raisey twos just failed in your first ray uh have you pulled and rebelled both arrays to fix them yeah yeah you it's there's a lot to think about when you do that um i can't click anything anymore there we go oh there you go it just caught up all of a sudden thank you very much techno tim check out techno tim's video on he just released it today on the 45 drives hl 15 or is it yeah hl 15 is what it's called so definitely um uh definitely awesome there let's see make sure i kept uh i think tim covered the depth uh work work properly with multi path you could just use two actuators re from the same drive same time usable for any system what's your preference between ansible or puppet i don't really use either much myself um but if you do a little bit of googling you'll find out uh the president of cnwr the company we merged with jason slagle wrote a book on puppet so you can probably guess that we use puppet for some of the management stuff at the company um i'm partial to ansible but i don't use either very much i use ansible for personal i don't manage any clients with ansible yes people still use once you have a ton of stuff in puppet you just kind of keep using it i like ansible for because it's agentless too that's the my biggest thing so metadata disk is it worth it yes if you need it it's do you have a metadata problem do you have three million files in the directory and does that directory when you query it and it's on a bunch of spinning drives uh go slow a metadata drive is for you if you are like me and you just have a bunch of videos and i say a bunch i mean like a few hundred maybe a thousand across my archives if you have a thousand something videos that's not enough to even bother a metadata drive so the this is a question that comes up a lot is people always want or think they need one but most time it's like what is what is your use case of it now we have a graphics company that does movie graphics they take something like 10 000 photos grouped at a time across each set so they it's an exponential problem they need a metadata drive because indexing all those files each time takes a lot of time but if you're most home users don't have that many files in in so they don't get it no in the difference between having or not having the metadata is how fast when you're opening up that you know you're listing that uh directory uh windows got a video where he talks about you know the advantages of meta a metadata drive so oh you got two super stickers thank you tim um push your poll personally i like ansible poll yes uh jay from one of like cb really likes ansible poll too uh use that the treat 12 by 18 dual actuators as 249 tear about single disk but you had to pull them out in pairs run individually and storming you just lost power now you're testing your ups is in real time right now yeah the um fun stuff for sure when it when you get to learn if your ups it's it's always that nervousness of how long will the power be out how good is my ups will everything shut down properly oh yeah yeah yeah um this is a good topic i tweeted this too so i'll pull this up let me pull it up from twitter seems the last thing i tweeted i'm still calling it tweet i don't care what it's i don't i don't care what i'm supposed to call it i'll just keep calling it a uh tweet anyways experts fear crooks are crashing or cracking keys uh stolen last patch breach this is a good article from crebs and i tweeted this out what you have here is the people sorting out where they have a whole lot of different people in crypto and i mean they really did some research here to figure out what the commonality was between all these different people than if i had crypto incidents and it comes down to the common factor against these people was not having their email compromised or not all working for the same place or not all having their crypto in the same place it was they all use last pass uh it's one of those you're just weighing out all the options and the only logical conclusion you can come to is that yep last pass must be getting this cracked because that's they all admitted that they used it and we know that there's information within their last pass faults that would have allowed you to get their keys out so it's just evidence that we kind of what we thought it would happen was eventually and they're not doing it probably to every last pass fault they have my guess is they're targeting people who work in crypto assuming that they have some crypto coins to make it worthwhile so some of these people may have something some people may not and that's my guess is it's very targeted because it takes time it has a cost associated with it to rent some cloud storage server or just if you have your own on-prem stuff to do cracking of this so if they want to crack one of the vaults well there's a time to it so they weigh the time it takes versus the potential for there to be some gold in that you know thing they crack open so if that vault happens to have some fun coins in it that they can take yeah it's a good article it's one of the latest articles from Kreb's Unsecurity I'll throw a link in here for it but it's just basically saying what we feared would happen is finally happening which kind of sucks yeah if you change your passwords roll all your keys or any information you have in here you're good so but it comes down to like you said you mean the hackers don't want my family netflix account probably not worth as much to me it may not be worth it because there is a cost associated with cracking those so that costs associated with it you know they could just buy netflix for what they would cost them to crack it that's the logical idea no it's unfortunate that many of these people just didn't heed the warning you know if if i were to have those deep crypto secrets stored in a last pass account and i i got rid of last pass so long ago just by the nature of how many years ago i got rid of last pass which was like 2019 maybe or 2018 that's when i moved away from it i've rolled all those pass for a sense then just because it's been so many years and i also deleted my account assuming last pass actually deleted my account when i told them to delete it i don't think my vault was in there anyways but i also didn't use last pass near as much as i use bit warden so i still had other secrets elsewhere once i got into bit warden i moved everything into bit warden and so i had one place to store all the things so now that there's so much in bit warden it's a scarier proposition than it ever was for me with last pass don't keep tootp passwords in your password manager start using web off and the new pass keys yeah basically that's a big piece of it is not having your tootp in there for one which i don't i prefer these little hardware keys i have more than one of these i've done videos on this as a topic but you know this one here is a yubi key but i also have a trust key i got more than one i just don't have it within reach here it's upstairs i got a few of these they work well the nice thing about them i i like ones that follow the proper web auth protocol and want attestation what attestation means is are you there so even if you were to somehow get my computer to prompt you to use a security key i have to physically touch the security key to get it to finalize the activation that is the attestation that you're there how are people not storing your crypto in an offline wallet or protecting device for the tpm i have no idea i don't i i won't speculate on people's things we want to pass your manager at work that has local device caching mobile desktop apt during outage faulty and he said which um bitwarden works offline so you can i can stop my server uh that's running because i have self hosted bitwarden i can stop the server and it still works it'll hold the last known good copy so uh bitwarden thumbs up for that working in an offline scenario uh what's the your thoughts on bitwarden keeping and copy of your vault and pc so you can still access vault offline yeah i mean you can also use a desktop version of bitwarden it does it as well but the browser keeps it and and also the um the desktop version i would like to have pass for the server my ube key is just begging for it yeah it's yeah ube key for ssh is cludgy that's a good way to put it um i don't actively use it because too many of the things i log into don't support it very well i i still don't think i have i don't think maybe i'm wrong maybe they fixed it to my knowledge you can't use it with uh true nas still like the things i association to are like oh my true nas and things i get so i don't use it that often some websites require a pin as part of the access stations others the tap proxmox doesn't require a pin and some banks don't i find that kind of odd important sites should require pin plus tap yeah pin plus tap i i kind of think i'm pin pin plus taps not bad it just seems a little odd because like i have to touch it anyways so why should i also have to type in a pin but whatever i i don't complain that much about it it's one extra step it's it's so you can't just sit in front of my computer and log in so i get it like if i walked away and didn't lock my computer which trust me i get up from my computer and as i get up i lock it and i work from home my computer is always locked all the time i am like i do that as a muscle reflex both on my laptop and my desktop and the reason why that way if i'm ever out somewhere even when i'm out somewhere it's the same muscle reflex to lock the computer every time i get up from it even though i'm at home but sometimes i'm not but that same once you've memorized it you don't have to have context switching in your head you're like you having your head every time i get it from my computer i lock my computer uh isn't it scary because you've revoked team access to bitboard and user can still access local cash not really um they they the reality is the user could dump all the passwords out like you have to have some level of trust with some of your users there's you know the moment you think a user's gone bad you're like oh no they have a local cash in as long as they don't have the computer online because you can lock them out of the account from a management standpoint and delete their account um but at some point they could have also just copied the passwords out of it too i don't think it's any more scary if you will uh it's one of those trade-offs like do i you there might be a way to turn off the local caching but i don't think so yeah more things are starting to use pass keys i think since the big companies are pushing it we'll see some adoption i don't know we'll find out thank you for the donation chris great show thanks for sharing after 11p in any case so have a good day yes thank you very much much appreciated even a password manager like key pass uh could keep the file if you don't trust x staff you still need to change the passwords when they leave yep all kinds of fun topics here balancing security by sticking with sms uh yes yeah sms man that's uh no uh what's the easiest thing in enterprise to start removing infrastructure microsoft environment now file shares go to mind i'm overpaying so much easiest thing in an enterprise to start removing infrastructure for microsoft i don't i don't understand the goal what do you mean removing infrastructure from enterprise i i don't usually just go in and start removing things i need to know why i'm removing things or what the goal is uh i think it comes down to attack services you have a copy of volt and local pc then it gives another attack surface uh the server itself eh i mean the browser is the attack surface today that's that's where we are here in 2023 the browser is how we get attacked that's just become the battleground so the reasons i use you know i use firefox and i use uh chrome because i think they are both well suited to stay on top of things this is the problem i have with third party browsers because how often can they update can they keep up with the ever changing threats i mean i know they're pulling from the same engine as chrome so they're getting it downstream are they as good at implementing it as chrome those are real questions i have so get away from paying price stuffs like windows server hosting email alternatives moving nas file storage good starts yeah i mean it's not easy and when your line of business applications require it i mean we have a lot of nasa's out there that's probably a common one and i guess that saves you from buying another windows license for a file server but that's not the big expense email alternative is the hardest part um three quarters of our clients are using office 365 it's integrated with a lot of their line of business apps there's not an easy replacement for it all other than google which is also another giant company that's essentially yeah so anyway you can secure server 2003 uh no you you turn it off that's how you secure it it's time to replace those mfa and tenure g mailed you a six digit codes you receive in three to five business days yeah no idea why you're having issues uh oh you're talking about the um the agent stuff but i do have to order a pizza for my son so i am going to wind this down and i'll give it a five ten more minutes because i don't want to sneeze anymore i just want to eat a pizza eat a pizza and lay down watch watch some tv for a little while and chill out i'm getting better from uh going to the vintage computer festival but yeah i seen i don't know if the person's still in here but it makes sense that there was some type of covid outbreak there because i got sick my wife got sick everybody got sick um so many of my friends got sick that's what we get for going to a conference of you know computer festival which i'll go off topic here and i thought this was pretty cool at the vintage computer festival so uh lions fan no i don't watch any sport ball so uh you know i i don't follow any of the sports i have a lot of friends that do but uh how much styles you do you still deal with not for cameras in the smb market quite a bit um we we have quite a few synologies out there uh that are in the smb file sharing uh we even have one client using that was it called hybrid share sync between their locations and i thought i'm doing a video on that because i've talked about it before um it's a neat feature you can take two strategies at different locations and make them sync to each other they make a pretty neat product for that but uh there was some cool things this was from the vintage computer festival though someone really took the time to put some detail in this like i was like wow like they just need the delorean to put it in and uh i thought that was kind of neat yeah if you can't get rid of it i don't have an easy answer it's it's all those things you know my friends who work in um the enterprise space uh have a hard time with things like that too they uh it's all those things i don't i don't have an easy answers for it they're just something that kind of sucks um oh they had all these phone systems set up at the vintage computer festival too that was pretty cool have you ever used the ad functional analogy for a business so many requested um um i mean we've connected it to ad but we've never replaced ad with it i wouldn't replace ad with it because i wouldn't want to support it um that's that's really what that comes down to i wouldn't want to have to support it i don't know what trouble you're running to does it have it yes does it work for home users probably will you run into something you can't support in a business probably too um i i don't i wouldn't risk it because if you run into this you know showstopper of oh here's their line of business application and it requires something microsoft to do this you know we have a we have a client i mean it's kind of i don't like the software i use but it's what they use to manage your business uh it's got all kinds of deep tie-ins to active directory very specific things it's kind of weird because when they open the application it it checks a bunch of user settings on there matter of fact it has to be on a domain for it to work if you have an unjoined system you can't run their line of business applications on unjoined systems on a network it has to be actively talking to it to make it work in it looks up something in the active directory on that system to help even though there's a username password login either way i i wouldn't imagine it would work out of synology and if you run into that you've already sold the client the solution now what you sell oh i sold you the solution now i got to also sell you a microsoft server that i was hoping to replace so c2 hybrid share it's also simultaneously in the cloud for a quick restore local sand ice yes yeah will he has a video on it and this samba as ad is ugly it only yeah only supports up to 2008 r2 yep there are limitations you have to know ahead of time so it's definitely um it's weird that's still there remove there we go but yeah it's one of those things like i wouldn't risk it myself uh they had all the phone lines these are all phone lines then wired uh there was so much cool stuff at the vintage computer pestle so i'm going back to that just because i feel like being off topic for a moment but i'm also winding down here i'm getting tired because i keep sneezing and i gotta go get a pizza so well i'm going to order a pizza i don't think i'm going to go get it there's delivery so i'll get a pizza delivered oh then i'll crash on the couch for a little while but thank you all for joining this was a lot of fun as always leave your thoughts and comments down below check out my other videos on everything i'm going to wander off and you know make sure you email vlog thursday at learnsystems.com and i'll answer questions it's funny when i first set that up a lot of people email me and now very few people email me uh well that's i mean i just want to make sure it's out there for people looking uh people looking for ways to contact me the forums is a much better way forums dot learn systems dot com i'm in there pretty much daily sometimes twice a day uh so definitely if you're looking to have a more in-depth discussion if you look at my posts and forums you'll see that i'm in there quite a bit talking about things so thank you all for joining i'm going to wander off because i am as you can tell i'm kind of running out of juice here so thanks everyone i'm going to go get some rest later