 Just give us a sec and we'll spoil it for you, jeez. I'm excited, just do it. Yeah, we'll do Black Widow 3rd out of those three, but which would you guys want to do first? We should get Midnight. Well, let's do the Mario thing, because it's probably going to be quick. Midnight maps will probably take a little bit longer. And plus, we need to just get that out of our systems. Yes. OK. So, well, we're almost public. So, you know, Fringy, I feel like you should take the reins on this. You should give the exposition. Mario. You saw it live. I didn't even see it live. I did see it live. Nintendo Direct. There was Nintendo Direct the other day. And it was really cool. There's like a 3D Kirby open world game. That looks really cool. Band Edit 3 finally. It's been like four years since that game now. It looks awesome. Lots of fun. Splatoon 3 looks really cool. So there was a lot of cool stuff. And then Shigeru Miyamoto comes in. It's like, oh, hey, I've been over in America like working on this Mario movie. It's coming out next year. And then it's like, oh, we're about to announce the English voice cast for Mario. Now, the preamble, I had heard about this movie. And I wasn't super optimistic because it's illumination. I don't really make good movies. But are they the despicable new people? Yeah, yeah, seeing Secret Life of Pets, that kind of shit. Basically, they're messing up. No, that's Dreamworks. Oh, that's the A team. I got you. Yeah. So funnily enough, I had just assumed that the avoid... Oh, sorry, assumed. I had assumed that Charles Martinet would just be the voice of Mario. Fringy, what's wrong with staying assured? Oh, that's a whole story. I got a comment. No, I'm going to part from the fact that it's fucking wrong. We're Australians. We can put your language as much as we freaking want. Yeah, that was that was my initial. Oh, we can tell you can. On that topic. But anyway, yeah, I had just assumed that the original voice actors would be involved. I just assumed I thought that's what they were going to do. I never even thought that they would be getting other voices because, like, I don't know that I don't know that I was ready to ever learn that there would be other people who were playing Mario and Luigi and Toad and stuff. But then you just get that image on screen. Chris Pratt, Mario, I don't know what I'm meant to do with that. I don't know what I'm meant to do with that. Well, I have no idea. There are some great takes to the fact that everybody, all the headshots that they used for the actors were in color, except for Chris Pratt. Yeah, that was so weird. Kind of suggest it like he died during. Mario movie in memory of Chris Pratt. It's what he would have wanted. I am dedicated to Chris Pratt, Mario movie. Is he going to try and do the accent? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. We talked about this before. I was thinking it would be really cringe to do it. But now I'm thinking like it probably would be he can't. He can't do it, right? Because it would be too offensive nowadays. Are you going to mark Italians? You can mark Italians. Well, well, Italians are white-ish, so it depends. Maybe it's it's it's funny. You say that because there's like a defamation case going on in Australia where a comedian made fun of an Italian. Oh, oh, no, not a comedian making fun of an Italian. Well, he called him Super Barra Laro. Super Barra Laro, that's offensive. But I guess he could still. Well, if Mario is OK, if you're allowed to do Mario anyway, then surely you can still do Mario, like with the Italian voice. Chris Pratt said on his Instagram that they're working on the accent. Oh, my God. So it is going to be a voice. Oh, my God, it's going to be a voice, I guess. You know what? I think Jack, Jack Black will be entertaining. I'm not sure about he does not seem like Bowser to me at all. I just cannot see this. Kind of the whole thing here is like none of these people seem like. I was Keegan-Michael Key toad. Yeah, even Michael Keen makes you go, what? See, I told the guy who constantly has a really high pitch kind of whiny sort of voice. Yeah, I think. Well, I guess the thing is Seth Morgan is Donkey Kong. Like, what is that? What is that? I don't know what that is. I can't I can't picture this film like it doesn't exist in my head. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know what it is. It's so bizarre. I can't even formulate my imagination. If I could make a picture version of it, I guess the problem is I sit here and I can see it. I can also see Charlie Day as Luigi kind of kind of miscast. There should have been Willem Dafoe. Everyone knows. No, wait, sorry. Willem Dafoe is while Luigi would be the most suitable. Oh, yeah, that would be fun. I'm something of a war myself. I wonder if they're going to have war on while Luigi. No, he's it's going to be like a Marvel Cinematic Universe cut in at the end where we got Danny DeVito going at the end. I like we're going to have Link or something and they'll be a super smash. Oh, no. The funny thing is that's something that I would have thought would have been cool, but not anymore. I mean, you know, I don't know. Look at this. Look at him on screen. I don't I don't know. I think Jack Black could put on a bit of a bowser voice. If he if he tries not to play Jack Black, but tries to do why are Jack Black's adult play Jack Black? That's all Jack. All Jack Black can do is Jack Black usually just does black. Yeah, that's all he does. It's Jack Black, but Macho. What game is that? Like something legend, brutal legend, right? He's still kind of just Jack Black in that game, though. Yeah, yeah, that's all he is. Yeah. Well, I don't know about you guys, but I reckon they should have rehired Bob Hoskins to just do the voice of Mario in the original film. A little bit dead. Yeah, Mario Mario. Where is the CGI? Oh, the power. So the elephant in the room, of course, is why the fuck aren't they doing the the original VAs for this? But yeah, they even have Charles Martinet in the cast, but he's not Mario Luigi, Wario or Waluigi, which he's done for a decade now. I don't know. To me, that just it's like how it was recently talked about Space Jam 2, like none of the voice actors who did all of the other Looney Tunes got credited. Zendaya got a credit for Lola Bunny, but nobody else got a credit. And the Ratchet Clank movie where Ratchet, Clank and Quark, the three main characters of that movie, which was shit. But like in any case, they're like the three main characters. They weren't on the poster. Their name wasn't top billing. Like they weren't even on the poster, but they're playing the main characters. It just feels like that. Yeah, the problem with modern movies is credits aren't they're not to credit the creators who helped make a film. It's advertising. It's for marketing. Oh, I mean, it's always been advertising. It's always been a contract. I guess it's just like really lame that the guy who is kind of almost solely maybe not solely responsible because it was obviously creative influence, right? But like the Mario that everybody knows is like that's him. And we all know it is for marketing, but at the same time, they are called credits. And it's like we like to believe in our mystical world that credits are designed to credit the people who have brought this to life sort of thing. And it's like, why can't we credit the fucking people involved? Because usually that's just what happens along with marketing this time, though, or a lot of times recently. It's like to put it to put it to perspective. Charles Martin has been playing Mario since 1992. Yeah, really. Yeah, literally longer than I've been alive. Right. So you think the guy like he'd be a great, a great pick. I mean, I understand that they're going to do. I understand, like, for example, they're not using James Hader or sorry, David Hader for the middle of your salt movie because it's a live action movie. I understand that you've got to have the physicality and the voice. But in animation, you can use whomever you want. You don't really need to pick celebrities because you don't see them. It's all about the voice. So well, I think it just kind of. I kind of because it's this is like a meme, but they could they could make a Mario movie that could be really wholesome and fun. That's I feel like that's entirely possible. Yeah, you could have a Mario film where there's actually not a lot of dialogue at all. You could have a lot of it just be communicated through visual views. I mean, it's animation like that's that's the place to do it. But we don't want to do that. We want like Donkey Kong needs to sound like Seth Rogen, probably. We need like the celebrity voices to sell. Don't get that, Donkey Kong. He's just going to be a weed. I guess that's what I mean. It's like they tried Bowser talking and then they made it subtitles again for a reason. Like I don't want to hear these people talking. I don't want to hear Mario talking in full conversations. I just want let's go. Yeah. That's that's all I want. You've got to be directing this. I have no idea. I'm on the stage. Yeah, I don't know. But it's your stage. Platform, you know what? I'll take I'll take Super Mario movie director. When. We might not know yet. Oh, it's the Bob Hoskins one. Twenty, twenty two. Yeah, that's coming out next year. No, Bob Hoskins one's not going. Oh, wait, that one's already out. Is Chris Pratt Italian? I mean, I don't know. Like he's culturally appropriate. Races that, yeah, that is not Italian. I've seen people complaining about that on Twitter already. They're like the chance to have Italian representation. You give it to an American woman. It's like, oh, my God, it's Mario. It's Mario. Calm down. Yeah, do you want a gorilla to play Bunky Kong? Yes, it's the recording booth. It just makes sounds. Maybe it doesn't have to go good. Don't be probably. Oh, OK, OK, Batman, Brave and the Bold. Oh, they did cartoons, at least. So at least they know what they're doing. Well, of course they did cartoons. It's not often that you get live action directors making. Oh, yeah, that's true. Also, again, it's illumination. But again, Shigeru Miyamoto has apparently been advising on it and he's highly protective of Mario as an IP. So what are they doing? Like, what are they allowed to do? You know? Well, apparently not. Yeah, but he doesn't let people make Paper Mario games. But like he's letting this happen, you know? I don't know. I think that they'll basically probably police the tone and not make another Super Mario Brothers 1993, because that was like you pick it apart. It wasn't a terrible, completely terrible movie, but it was just the tone was so wrong from our Mario Brothers movie. I saw that in theaters, I think, as a kid. That was one of my biggest disappointments in cinema. I swear to God. Yeah, I was kind of bored when I was watching it, actually. Yeah, I've been learning about it a lot, actually, the last couple of days. Apparently, they got like the same production designer who did like Max Headroom, Blade Runner and stuff like that. So they got a lot of like really like talented people because like you look at the sets. You got like these miniaturized cities that have neon signs like Kupa and Bullet Bills bar or whatever and all these things. So like they obviously put a lot of work into it. But I think it was like a husband and wife director duo and they were getting in like personal fights on set and stuff like that. So the production was a complete mess. But there was like some talented people working on it. It just was not the right fit for that story. I mean, we'll get some good memes out of all of this, I guess. Oh, probably. No, I'm willing to be surprised by the movie. I mean, it could be good. Yeah, it could be good. It's not like in the Sony in the Sonic trailer where we actually see Sonic looking like, you know, and everyone, we haven't seen anything yet. Well, I mean, I get the impression with it. Go ahead. I'm reserving judgment until I hear like Seth Rogen speak. Doc is Donkey Kong. So hot take. I'm not a fan of Mario or the universe he exists in. Wow, because he doesn't exist in the universe. He exists in a galaxy. Yeah. And it goes there. OK. But it all strikes me as very random, incongruent, messed, not too much of a consistent through line in a thematic style or execution and stuff. And it's just like a vomiting, a random things thrown together that they just combine into a video game. And I'm not experienced in the law. And so there's probably heaps of fanboys going to be coming out saying, well, you just need to know all the background and all that stuff. Funny because I'm sitting here. It's like, well, Yoshi saved Mario as a little baby. And then later on, Mario grows up to live in the Mushroom Kingdom and help Princess Peach and save her. And they go to all these different kingdoms and they have their own names. There's like the Mushroom Kingdom, then there's the Kingdom they go to in three world where they've got like the little pixie princesses that they have to save. Let's not forget the Island Resort of I'll Del Fino. Yes, I'll Del Fino. And then, of course, the Observatory when they go to the Super Mario Galaxy going on adventures with Rosalina. In fact, Super Mario Galaxy had like a story like it had an actual story and it was kind of cool. I will be interested to see how they translated into a film in this new attempt because it was an interesting execution the last time. So I because I think it could obviously work for video games because it's just random combination of all these different elements that, OK, in the background, if that's explained, just on the surface, it looks very, you know, out of place with all these different elements thrown together and say, yeah, we'll see if they can pull it off in the film. I disagree. I think it's very coherent. You've got a Mexican plumber who's also Italian made by a Japanese development company who lives with the soundtrack is Caribbean music with the Caribbean drums, who eats mushrooms to get the power to defeat dragons while also riding a dinosaur. I think that's perfectly. I guess it's I guess that is the funny thing. The funny thing about the Mexican writers is it was they just wanted to figure out mechanics. And like, I'm not sure how concerned they were with like the story when they first made it. But then Mario became like the biggest thing ever. So it's like, all right, let's let's like actually figure out what this is. Like it like completely embraces the random. And I think it doesn't price the random. Yeah. Yeah. And it got even weirder because the original there's the original NES game. And then the sequel actually was never released in the states. Instead, they took a different, Birdo and all those other weird creatures and stuff. And then they reskinned it and released it as Mario 2. So what we know in the States as Mario 2 was actually a completely different game. So you're basically merging these two very, very different universes together. And then that all became canon. And then they did whatever basically they did whatever and anything, anything stuck. So. Well, I mean, I actually, I like, I kind of like the inconsistency because yeah, there is no canon. It seems to make much sense. But I do like the inconsistency in the sense that it feels like there's a lot of variety, even though you kind of have this idea in the head of like, oh yeah, Mario, Mushroom Kingdom. And like the hills have smiles on their faces and things like that. So it feels like there are these different places. Well, we're horrifying and charming. I actually, I think when I saw this announcement, what I realized is like, I actually do really love Mario. Like I really like these Mario games. You're just friends. I would be, wow, yeah. I guess I'd just be really sad if they fucked it up, which they probably are going to. The main thing that I don't know if it'll hold up in movie form is that despite all the wacky, completely non-senseful stuff that's happened in the probably 50 to 100 plus Mario games over the past 30 plus years, what's always held them up is really solid gameplay. Like who cares what you're playing and what you're doing if the gameplay is solid? Like there's very few Mario games that are actually bad. They're all really, ever really solid foundation. Like one of my least favorite ones is Yoshi's Island, not because the gameplay of the game is actually great, but I despise the little crying baby Mickey. Oh sure, yeah, but I- It's a great game, yeah. Or Yoshi's Island, it's like, oh, yeah. That's a great game. That's been my kind of impression, that there's been a lot of Mario games I've enjoyed over the past, like the really old school ones and even Mario Kart I enjoyed heaps because the gameplay has always been solid and entertaining, but the background story, I've always thought it's just utter complete garbage. And it's like, I'm not really interested in Mario as a character. The fact is a plumber and so to me, trying to make a film out of that is basically trying to take the worst weakest parts of the franchise into a film that's reliant on those weakest elements of the franchise. We don't know if that's what it's relying on. Well, a film technically is predominantly a story and the story element of Mario things is- It could be hyper adaptation, right? Like this could be hyper different I don't expect it to be because I don't think they would do that, but it could be hyper different from Mario. But then again, when it comes to the story thing, it's like, yeah, I agree. I mean, I find the story is totally fine in terms of the context of the games. It's like, yep, your princess is not another castle, go get her, that's totally fine. It just pushes you forward. But I mean, if we're gonna pick a Nintendo IP and make a movie out of it, I feel like you could have picked anything else and it would have been a better option, like Star Fox, Metroid, Zelda. Yes. Oh, it's a Metroid would be great. You could have on Kirby. What do you go, Mario movie? I'm just like, what, hmm, what is that gonna be? Like- Of all of them, make a Fire Emblem movie. You can make a movie about basically any other Nintendo IP. You can make a friggin, like, you can make a knockout movie. You just do that, but like Mario, it was like the weirdest choice of them all. You could make a Luigi's Mansion movie. You could make a Luigi's Mansion movie. They could do so much with like Zelda as well, bringing Link into live action and stuff, like full on epic fantasy treatment. Well, maybe we'll be getting them if this is a success, which it probably would be, right, if they market it right. Well, it's Illumination, all their films make money and they're probably gonna, it's probably gonna make money. I'm assuming this got started up because of Sonic. I would assume. No, I think this was on the cards several years ago. Like it's been known about for a while that this project's been happening. It might have been Warcraft even, like I'm not sure if there's just more video game movies now. I mean, well, if we're going that far back, I mean, everything would have encouraged it, right? In the same way that maybe Logan was being tooled with for a while and then Deadpool made it, so they were like, all right, let's do it. No, it's funny. There was a leaked poster, early pre-release poster for the Sonic movie that had Chris Pratt instead of James Marsden. So yeah, I can't 100% verify the veracity of it, but I saw the picture and it looked pretty legit and I'm a photoshop, you know, do photoshop for a day job. So it looked pretty legit to me, but if that's true. I'm gonna get a real job. Yeah, real job. But if that's true, then Chris Pratt was directed by Sega to then work for Nintendo. Oh my God. What kind of world is that? So yeah, plenty to be worried about. We'll see how it all goes. It'll probably be a meme riot. I was gonna say, it was quite the meme in general for the incident. Seeing Chris Pratt as Mario was just like, wow, that's, hmm, okay. Everyone thought it was a joke. Memes are great regardless, yeah. Like that one on screen, look at him, look at him go. My prediction is that it's gonna be absolute garbage. I'd hope that it wouldn't be, but not only am I just more cynical these days because of the just slop being made, because I'm already a bit, you know, skeptical in the franchise being adapted into a story format like this is like, I'm thinking it's gonna be horrible. They could do one thing though, it would make the movie 100% consistent and perfect. After everything, all the illumination, 3D, hygiene, spouser, you know, Seth Rogen, whatever. At the very end, there's like an after credit scene where you just see Chris Pratt, IRL, wake up covered in mushrooms and he's like, what the hell happened? What the fuck did that dude give me? People are already making jokes about like a Nick Fury equivalent turning up to tell Mario he's a part of a greater universe. Yeah, and then there's Smash Brothers, Super Smash Brothers movie by a limitation. Oh my God, they're gonna do it. Oh my God, Friggy, they're gonna do it now. Sounds crazy, but in a world of this adventurous world. Yeah, there's no way that that's not been discussed if not been the focus. That's probably like the main thing they wanna do. Why put in Donkey Kong in a fucking, you know, like, okay, Donkey Kong is like the old Nemesis of Mario, right, and way back, but just including him in the middle of the fucking credits, it's like, they're already like toying with the idea. Maybe if this works, we'll have a Donkey Kong movie. I can see them like talking about it behind the scenes. Well, I think Cranky Kong is in this movie. Which is that? Yeah, more distant Kong. Cranky Kong is the original, so here's your Mario lore. So like the Donkey Kong that isn't like all the Mario Kart games, the happy one, the Donkey Kong Country one, he's the grandson of the original Donkey Kong from Mario 4 in the first game as Cranky Kong. He's angry. Okay. So Donkey Kong that you're familiar with is like the happy, friendly- It's Jump Man, right, is the first one? Yeah, Jump Man was originally in for Mario back in the day with like the original Donkey Kong arcade game and wrecking crew. Wrecking crew and something. But Pauline's back now after Odyssey and she's sticking around and she's really cool. Well, so cool about Pauline ringing. She's a great singer. She's the mayor of a town. She's doing a bang-up job trying to help out her citizens. She's got like a very smooth voice. She gets captured by apes. Well, but not anymore. She's the mayor of New Donk City, all right? She's revitalising that town. She broke up with Mario? Well, you know, they moved on to the beach. Mario, Mario, yeah. Mario was Flopman and she was the princess of the city. Well, that's that, I suppose. Super Mario. Super Mario, bam, bam, bam. Which I suppose leads us to the second event of this intro. It's going to be less funny. Yeah. So all right, we're done with that topic. It's all down here from here, guys. Well, I think you're referring to Black Widow. So topic number two. Good old, good old Horton of Hill House is something that we often praise and people really liked. And then Blind Matter came out as everyone remembers. We loved it. A lot of people didn't like it at all. And then Midnight Mass was this new show coming out. Same creator, same, a lot of the same cast and same sort of, I guess I could say, is just style. The same approach and, you know, we were all we're all excited. Released yesterday and because we're totally normal people, we spent nine hours just watching the entire season all the way through. Oh, God, damn. Oh, damn. That's what we spent our yesterday doing. Yeah. At least half. Yes. And it was a triumph, an absolute wonderful thing. What was it called again? Wait, Midnight Mass? Midnight Mass. I thought the Midnights were exceptionally done. You've not even seen it. You're a liar. What? No, I don't know what you're doing. You're a liar. You're a liar. You're a liar. The Mass is good. So, I mean, I don't know how I. Hey, Rags, what did you think of Midnight Mass? So, Mahler, I'm glad you asked. So for those of us who remember when we talked about Hill House, that was 10 episodes long. And we thought the first nine episodes were super great. We really love. There's a lot of really good stuff in there. Nine solid episodes of crazy good TV. And then episode 10 happened and it kind of did a lot of damage to everything. It was a really, really, really bad. Catastrophic 10th episode. We will remain spoiler free until we say that we won't be. He said every show, I had the same experience with Hill House and Bly Manor. I loved everything up until episode 10. So, obviously, there was a 10th episode at one because. Oh, there was no 10th episode, but also the Bly Manor, like the finale is pretty good. It's really good. It doesn't, you know, we'll get to that. But Rags continue. And like I said, we will sign post when we get to spoilers chat. And you'll know to leave. Don't worry. Yeah, so Mike Flanagan, he's the guy who does these three shows, right? He has a track, he sort of has a track record of starting something, not getting to the finish line and tripping horribly. And unfortunately, midnight mass had us on the edge of our seats with excitement for the first six out of the seven episodes. It was full of incredibly good dialogue, well constructed character conversations. It had great tone, shot compositions, it had a great setting. It was very interesting to see, you know, what it was about and how things were explained and what was happening with all the characters. And we were very, very, very pleased with the show. And then episode seven happened. And it kind of ruined basically everything. And we and we we were not happy campers. I woke up today and I saw no group chat. I just saw Mel saying, I'm still sad. But like, yeah, it is one of the worst endings to a TV show I've ever seen in my life. It is kind of incredible. Profitally bad, six amazing episodes that I highly recommend six stellar, wonderfully crafted pieces of media all capped off with a giant turd. And like people, people might be like, wow, again, like it's worse than Hill House this time. The drop off was I think it's worse than Hill House. It's cliff levels. You just go, wee, you know, like, oh, wait, wait. Why was the last episode so bad? Well, so I'm thinking now, like if we want to get a little bit more specific, this is your warning people in chat and people in the cast, if you want to mute. I suppose I will signal that we're back to non-spoilers by showing the cast of the new Mario movie. So I might mute it because I've not seen it yet. So I'd rather experience it even if it's going to be disappointing. All right. I have no intention of watching it. I'm not a fan of horrors. So go ahead and spoil very well. All right. It's like the other ones. It's not really horary in a more in a traditional sense. It has some spooky moments, but they are they're spaced out fairly well. They sort of sneak up on you. It's not like it's not like a conjuring or anything like that. So if you generally don't watch horror stuff, I think this still might interest you. I would definitely recommend these shows because I wouldn't say that the horror is really their strength, per se, but it's a great tonal addition. It it's used really, really well. But the horror that's there, I liked it. It's just not yeah, it's not all the time. It's not really highly focused, much more based on the characters. And yeah, so last chance, people in chat run away. Like I said, I'll signal you by changing the screen to the cast of the Mario movie coming next year or whatever. So this show is is is mainly about a little island town that our our protagonist is returning to after having served, I think, 10 years in prison, something like that. Or Oh, is it? Is four to 10. OK, it's four. I think for someone I think you got four. And he comes back and I mean, I'm trying to think of how fast I should explain this, I guess. It's just weird things going on. And the local main Monsignor is mysteriously kind of missing and a new guy is replacing him. And Mass starts to get more and more popular over the course of the episodes and the town starts experiencing miracles, different people getting healed for different ailments. Meanwhile, we're learning a lot about all the people who are there and why they're there. And I mean, there's also sightings of a hideous person slash creature on the island. And weird things are happening, like cats are getting killed on mass. And I guess that's about all you could say before progressing to the halfway in the season. Where we start to discover that the again, this is just spoilers. So why not? Because I want to get to that last episode and explain quickly how horrible it is. So the the Monsignor is a man who when losing is like mind. He stumbled in the desert on while on a pilgrimage and discovered a vampire in a cave. They never use the word vampire in the show. But I mean, I don't understand why you wouldn't refer to this thing as a vampire. So we have to assume there are no vampires in their world, because none of them refer to any of this as vampiric in any way, shape or form. But it's a good old pale, winged, monstery humanoid. And yes, what, you know, flies a whole nine yards. It doesn't go out in day time. Yeah. And we were like, we were like, oh, neat vampires. Why not? Fun. Let's see where this goes. And the Monsignor interprets all of it. Nice reveal, I'll add. The whole because you don't really know what's happening. And then they reveal it that, oh, it's like a vampire thing. Yeah, but in a very good way. We were like, oh, this is a vampire thing. All right. Yeah, we had no idea that was coming. It was cool. And then the Monsignor interprets this all very much to be religious, that the vampire is actually an angel. But the the youth and healing faculties and stuff that are given to him are all through like gods. Divine plan. And so he wants to spread it to the town to look after everyone, but to also warn them of the fact that when you get this amazing benefit, you're unable to go out in the sun and you get a thirst for blood. We are about. Yeah. And and, you know, there's a couple subversions here and there, a couple of twists and turns. I don't know. I can probably avoid. I don't want to explain too much because, you know, the thing about this is when we get to the point of saying, do we recommend this can be a really fucking hard answer. So it'll be like Hill House. Again, avoiding more so the journey, I'll just get to the ending so that we can talk about why there's a main stupid thing we have to get to. So the the the town gets fully infected, if you will, almost during a midnight mass and the the remaining citizens who are either non-religious or refused to take communion, which is how they were giving vampire blood off to people a lot of time. But also they just do it by the classic sort of you suck their blood and then you give them your blood and it turns them into a vampire. Our our our heroes escape and a lot of the town is just getting slaughtered and the vampire team try and attack. They try and attack our heroes by throwing some molotovs into a house and then they realize that that house is set on fire now and it's going to spread and then they're like, that's fine. Because Bible verse about fire. And then our heroes start setting the remaining houses on fire as well as the boats on the island because our heroes plan is if we get rid of all the abilities to leave the island and all of the cover on the island, the sun will kill all the vampires. And we will we were like watching this episode. That was like a halfway point. I think that became clear and we were like, huh? Hmm. Like why would that's kind of baffling. And why would burning all the buildings mean they can't take cover from the sun? They can't find a tree or dig a hole or any number of things or a bridge or any number of things that human beings get stacked some tin cans in a wall. Yeah, it was just high. Well, they're like, oh, but the houses are burning. They have to be know it's like you can still hide underneath the rubble. That's, you know, if your choice is that or die, like, you know, basically, the show tells us to accept a completely ridiculous, implausible, logically nonsensical premise. Yeah, we have to accept something impossible because they kind of want an ultron ending where it's like, nah, all of them are dead. See, it's all good. They stopped them. They're all dead. Yeah, there is a portion in the show where a crowd of vampires are heading toward the last building that's not on fire. And that building gets set on fire because one of the vampires has a change of heart and does it. But then all of the vampires are basically like, well, we're fucked. Nothing we can do. Let's just stand in the open and get bit by the sun. It is a garbage fucking ending that makes no sense at all. And thematically, a show that I thought was leading to a certain place now feels like it's all over the place and it kind of doesn't know what it is thematically. Oh, yeah, this show is thematic for a very skewed and confused and weird. And I don't think they were until the ending until that last episode, because now I'm not sure what I'm meant to think. It just feels like I don't have a clear through line to identify. I think it was safe to conclude that the show was about addiction. But I don't know that the ending makes sense anymore with that in mind. Yeah, we were very confused as to what the show was trying to say. I don't think, well, yeah, because I think the show kind of keeps changing its mind on like what it means. Like if you're a vampire, it's like, how lucid are you? Because it seems like all the main character vampires are incredibly lucid, but everybody else is just insane. I don't know why and if so, what does that say about them in terms of moral culpability or anything like that? It had a lot to say on death that seemed pretty good. Like that that seemed fine. It was relatively undamaged, but the the addiction stuff was all over the place. Well, we talk about Bly Manor and how great it is to have mechanics explored and explained for the establishment of stakes and understanding what's happening and the rules. And this this kind of was a failure in that regard in a lot of senses where up until the end, they did a pretty good job explaining a lot of the mechanics of vampirism and whatnot. And then at the end, it all just sort of falls apart and they don't. I would go as far as saying they spent like half an hour teaching someone exactly what it means to be a vampire. And then in the last episode, they kind of just fuck with it all over the place in terms of what it means for you as a person. And it was very confusing to watch people like become vampires and they're ravenous. They just want to eat and drink, you know, blood and stuff. But then near the end, they're like, you know what? We're bad people. We should die. You're like, oh, I don't. I think that's what I don't even know if that's what they were going for. That's the thing. It's so just open and unexplained and weird and unbelievable. I don't even know what they were trying to say. Didn't Mola say that only a blind man was some of the best television you've ever seen? Yes, it is. Yeah, it is. Blind man is insanely good. I yeah, we needless to say we were very disappointed. Yeah, the characters get hurt significantly. A lot of the characters are damaged in the final finale. There is. Well, I guess that's because we did really like this show up until that point. There was a character in the show who was in it for not until the end. And his story is complete from beginning to end. It's done. And it's it's really fantastic. And he is safe. He's safe. That character is safe from the finale. So so but but he's kind of the only one when I think about everybody else. Their ending was really disappointing. Confusing that there was one character who we were all super happy about. Like he was he was just a cool dude and he got a really unceremonious ending. And it's not like everyone almost. I was going to say two of the best characters. There's no need to really this is the spoilers. So like it's it's a guy who is fighting to get his place on this island. Everyone's always hated him. And he's only ever done the best he can for the people of the island and his son. And in the finale, he's trying to burn down the last house. And for some reason, because he's a fucking moron, he ends his journey of piling the the the petrol or whatever on on the building right in front of the group of vampires. Like he he circles around the whole house and ends up right next to this giant group as if like he's like, OK. And then he gets shot because, of course, and he shot by the most reprehensible character in the whole series. Well, wait, hold on. So he got shot because two characters made the smart decision to get some guns, but then dropped them after they were getting chased by some vampires. They dropped the guns and then that guy they just left them. Yeah. Yeah, they got them there for them to use against our protagonists, two of them, which is killed with that gun. Yeah, it's bizarre. But we we get some moments of insane plot stupidity here in this show. Yeah, for characters just to insanely stupid, moronic things. To explain that a little bit more cleanly, right? Like the two characters running away from monsters, they have a gun. It's a good gun, useful fucking gun. And then they slip for reasons. We don't need to go over that. And the gun is obviously dropped right next to him. And then they see three more people coming at them, many, many, many meters away. And they decide to sprint off and leave the gun on the floor, which is just the last thing I think you would do when you're desperate to survive. You have a gun, you don't leave the gun. And that would be bad enough, except that gun is then picked up by a bad guy who then ends up. Yeah, who isn't a bad guy who, despite the show, wanting to tell us he gets redeemed is not at all redeemed. No. Well, the problem, yeah. Two of the best characters are casually killed by that gun. Just just just done so. And their endings are shite. Well, and and and their endings being baptised into other characters, endings being like the first character who gets shot hard. There was a moment in the finale where there was something really cool that happened where it was basically all of the people were there. And the the guy who was kind of responsible for causing all of this realized that he made a mistake. And then he'd like open the doors to the church and everybody's welcome here. And we're like, oh, are they going to do a thing where it's like they split up? Who wants to be in the more like the good guy side versus the really evil side? But then the person gets shot and then they just burn down the church. It's like, oh, I guess you just give it up. Like, yeah, that was that was weird. How they started to set up that good, bad vampire thing. And then like 10 seconds later, it's just done and nothing becomes. Yeah, exactly. Very it's just like, I know we're just sort of casually sort of explaining things. And you might. Yeah, you are going to lack a lot of context if you haven't seen the show for why a lot of this stuff is frustrating and doesn't make sense and is horrible. But like everyone in that call was just so deflated after six great episodes, you get to the end and you just. What a pot load of crap. I mean, a clear example like this. This is kind of the worst character, not the like she's basically the villainous character right at the end when all of the vampires are like, yeah, I guess I'll die now. She goes to the beach to watch the sunrise. And then she's like, oh, no, I've got to dig a hole. If I can dig a hole, I can survive. And it's just like, what are we? Didn't know why didn't you think of this earlier? You did it now. And then and then when the sun rises, she's screaming in agony. And it's like, so she's screaming and everybody else is just calmly burning to death. Yeah, what is going on? They basically want to give you the satisfaction that the villain character screams as the sun burns here as a vampire. But all of the other vampires on the island just they're standing. They're singing or they're sitting and they peacefully perish. Yeah, they piece. Meanwhile, she's like, and the whole face just burns up. And it's just like, yeah, everyone died like that show. Don't convince me. Including including the kids on the island. Yeah, like there's no attention paid to them at all. Yeah, they're yeah. If you were looking for a show where the bad characters get punished and the good characters are like at least the die heroically or they're spared a terrible fate, this ain't the show for you. It's insanely unsatisfying. Everyone good and evil. They all get the same fucking death in its shit. And it's confusing. It's very confused. And then all the ending, the specific ending line. Man, I don't know. I don't get it. Yeah, we will. Yeah. Should we explain that? The healing properties of the vampire stuff make it so that a lot of people on the islands are fixed of their blue vision or bad backs. You know, unbeknownst to most unbeknownst to basically everybody on the island inside of the communion line, there's vampire blood, which is which is given to them in race amounts during every mass, because this is a Catholic mass on the church. And so slowly, everyone starts to get healed and everyone starts to get better, get younger. And so one of the there's a character. I'll go ahead. There's a girl who is crippled and she because she has been attending mass constantly. She goes to Massé every day and been drinking the blood every day. Unbeknownst to her, she is cured of her crippledness, crippled crepality, and she can now walk and everyone's amazed. This is the big, amazing miracle that really starts to get people to go. Whoa, that's crazy. And for most I would say half the show, she can now walk. She walks around and is a character, you know, moving around no ramps needed. It's a big deal. And then the very final line of the entire after the vampires are defeated, quote unquote, defeated, after everything's on fire, after you feel like shit, that it's all kind of over. Our two survivors, that's right, our two survivors. They're on a boat overlooking the burning remnants of the island. And she turns to this other character and says, I can't feel my legs and and she smiles. Credits and she smiles, which is bizarre, because I would not be thrilled about that. That means she's not a vampire, right? That's why so I think that's what they're going for, is that the curse is done, that the vampire's influence is over, that blah, blah, blah. But it's just like I can't use my legs anymore. Woohoo. You're like, OK. Because it seems like as far as we know in trace amounts, it seems like the vampire stuff is kind of great. Yeah, there's no, they don't really explain a drawback to it. Yeah, there is no drawback. If you just take a little at a time here and there, like even her, she had a little sip, a little taste every day at communion, at mass. And her paralysis was cured. Yeah. There doesn't seem to be any negatives whatsoever to trace amounts of vampire blood. Another huge problem is like the thematic element, right? And in moderation, a lot of the things that are incredibly addictive, but also dangerous, they're fine. Yeah, they have they have the lines about alcohol, is it good or evil? And, you know, things like that. It's you and what you do with it and stuff like that. So that's that's hard enough to square away that, like, why couldn't you just regularly drink bits of vampire blood? What is what is the show? I would want to, yeah, and you've also got you might you be thinking to yourself again, OK, but at least we know being a vampire is bad. And it's like, well, not really. We have several vampires in the show. Many of them refuse to eat people. They're like, no, I won't. I can't do that. That's fucked up. And then you're like, oh, they. So what's the idea of an ethical vampire? And so what is what is wrong with with being a vampire at that point? And you're like, well, it's gross. I don't know. You're a vampire fucked up. And yeah, there's a line at one point from one of the main characters toward the end saying, like, you know, when our time is done, it's done. As if to imply, like, you shouldn't be trying to get more time by being a vampire, you should accept death. And I'm just like, but you haven't really fucked that. I'm really. Someone said, I think they're just saying the main vampire dies and the vampire blood stops working. Like, yeah, no, I get it. It's such a if it's a Atmospherically, you just sit there and she's like, my legs don't don't feel my legs anymore. You're like, OK. And a happy moment. If that's what I mean. I don't think they if we knew that having any vampire blood in your system was horrifically bad and it'll lead to horrible things, I could maybe understand it. But I'm just sitting here like, it wasn't that bad. It seems to be nothing but a positive. Like I said, if I was in that universe, man, I'll take a sip every day. Thanks. So, um, wait, so that's great. So ingesting the blood doesn't corrupt you. Like if you have a little bit of it, I'm yeah, I'm sure. Unless you die, in which case, then you turn into a vampire. That that's probably the concern, right? If you die. Well, I guess at that point, I'd still rather be a vampire than die or rather be a vampire than dead. Yeah, because I mean, I'd just be an ethical vampire. I was like, I don't want to kill anyone or eat anyone. Drink. I'll just go buy blood bags or drink. Exactly. Pigs, blood cows, blood. They make it clear you can survive on that as a vampire in this universe. So I don't know, man. And they didn't explore that at all. They were just like, no, all the vampires killed themselves as fine shut up. Like, OK, everyone on the island, a hundred people as far as over a hundred people, as far as we know, they're just like, yeah, I'll die for it. Not just I'll just die. I will die horribly. Yeah. Despite the fact that some of us made the conscious decision to become vampires anyway, basically, some of us didn't. Yeah. And some of them were super devout, but apparently only the evil lady was the only one who wanted to find a way to survive, but none of them came up with a way of just digging like nobody thought of that. It is. We didn't have a shovel on the island, I'm afraid. It ain't good. Right. So if I if if I am also getting it from what you guys are saying, everyone acted intelligently until the last episode. Am I getting that right? Pretty much. Yeah, for the most part. Yeah, I'd say for the most part. There's some bits and bobs throughout the show, please. Yeah, I was pretty pleased. Yeah. But oh, you get some great, like, conversations throughout the season, loads of awesome stories and histories of particular characters, whole stories we're seeing. There'll be episodes one through five. It's like, yeah. Yeah. And episode five's ending is haunting, to say the least. Oh, yeah. They did it quite well as they often do with episode five and so this is the thing. We come to the end of all of this. Fringy rags, do you recommend the show? I'm not sure. That's the thing. As good as those first six episodes were and don't let that be understated. Those are some no, no, really good, amazing episodes. Though that was some good shit, lovely, slow burn. Not time isn't wasted, but Mike, Mike certainly takes his time to establish everything. But, man, that's the thing. If the ending is the payoff to all this stuff. Oh, it's tough. It is really it is a sour taste when you complete it. Mm hmm. Yeah, I don't know. I if I said to somebody, yes, stop after five, but they'd probably say, no, I want to see how it ends because that's what we wanted to do. I think I would recommend it. It does just slip over. I think it's worth seeing because the craft is top notch for a lot of aspects. Just that just be warned that last episode is coming. I'm going to get you. Yeah, stop. Yeah, if you're the person who could stop, stop at the end of six and just sort of imagine it turned out how you wanted it. It's bad. Well, that's that, I guess. I've got it. I got it. OK, so a head cannon new episode for episode six. Blade comes. No, six is great. Yeah, but blade comes, kills them all the ends. I would have preferred that. No, I'll take it over the cannon ending. I mean, is it better than the cannon ending? I guess I think you could do better. I think you can do better than that. Oh, you changed the ending, Rags, if it was you, if it was me, I would I would go with something safe that plays better into the thematics. It really can't be understated how how funky the thematics are after the end of that last episode, like it's really bizarre. Like what do you mean by thematics? The theme of the show of the show. OK, so what would you what do you get from the theme of the show then? After the seventh episode, I don't know. That's the thing before let's ignore the what was it? What was your impression for the first six episodes? And on the first six episodes, I think, bringing sort of alluded to it, but it's kind of like addiction, in a sense, that there is a bad part of you that you need to control and you can't let take over you. And so addiction plays into that where you can't let things kind of ruin you like there's an there's an internal battle inside of you that you have to fight for and and win, essentially. Well, it's really, really good and would be wonderful. That's the thing. It's it's it seems as if it was set up perfectly for like a vampire. Yeah, vampire stories lend themselves where you have a good and bad vampires. Yeah, absolutely. The bad vampires succumb to their bloodlust and they do the easy thing and they just hunt and go on the prowl for blood. And the good vampires are like, no, it's not the right thing to do. People suffer and I'm not going to do that to other people. So I'm going to be a good vampire. And there you go. And so maybe the good vampires, they're the ones who survive because the bad ones get burnt up because of something they do or they get to live on the island as a vampire place and you get to have the priest. Monsignor, who gets to keep. Yeah, he gets to be like the van, the guy in charge of the vampires or he gets to be their their pastor, lead them to sell. Yes, especially because he kind of changes his tune at the end because he seems what's along with the meetings like this. It's all set. You're all good to go. And because, funnily enough, in this vampire thing, they don't do the garlic stuff crosses fangs even. They just sort of bite. We don't have reflections or invitations. They leave out a lot of, you know, which is fine, by the way, very blood related. Yeah, they try to keep it in terms of it's all about blood stuff. They have boosted healing, but they don't have any kind of boosted strength. Everyone, all the vampires are of the same strength they had previously, which I thought was interesting as well. So it's like, OK, they basically just people with blood lust. And that's why you're like, oh, I see you stripped away a lot of the vampire stuff to make it very much about addiction. Then like, that's clearly the point. Yeah, like nothing about garlic or crosses stuff. It's stuff you could believe. Really? Yeah. Every blood related stuff. The kind of thing where if you had like special weirdtism blood, you could believe that that would be a result. Kind of sounds like they ran out of money in the show. It's supposed to go for another one or two episodes. I we we are pretty sure the last episode was rushed as fuck. I don't understand how it could have ended up so shit. But so I think like if the addiction thing was their angle, maybe like them realizing that they were doing a bad thing and they and they all killed themselves. Maybe that was the guy it was going for, but it was executed. Maybe that's what he was going for. But it just doesn't work. None of it works because they're good vampires who moderates. Yeah, there's clearly good vampires. Some of them feel remorse for bad things that they've done. Some of them are just they're just like basically none of them kind of deserve death. It's very they're like downright evil ones. If some of them are attacked and killed and turned into a vampire to then decide, I will not feed on people. Just they've done nothing possibly wrong. And then they just like, well, time to die. You're like, oh, OK. That is weird. It's like there's no nuance. Like it's I'm cursed, so I have to kill myself. It became something like that. I think that's what they're going for. But but I think that's a problem when it comes to the theme of addiction. Yeah, yeah, like what you said and yeah, I have an addiction. Kill myself. Yeah, exactly. And I got to assume that's not what they actually mean. But the problem is like killing the addiction means destroying you. Like, is that is that meant to be? Well, no, see, like because the speech to the end, it's like, we'll see that there is no self right. So you can get rid of that. Like, yeah, but you are ceasing to exist like at that point. The collective that represents you is now gone. And yeah, that's the thing that you could have had. If you balance it, Peta, because now we've made it so that they became a vampire, they needed to die. And is being a vampire giving into addiction? Or is that just because I thought it was not being the vampire because you can become a vampire. I guess that plays into addiction where it might not be of your choice in a sense, but it's still kind of wonky in that regard. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, it'll be out whenever our recordings and stuff on it. It'll be a while. We got to do Bly first. But like, I've not got a lot of passion for Midnight Mass. I think it was murdered in that last episode. Yeah. Because it was all the vampire stuff. It just permeates back through all the older episodes where I know that if I rewatch them, I'm going to be frustrated about thinking about what kind of message they're trying to go for. And then knowing where all the characters I was starting to like are going to end up. My God, man, I hate watching people I really enjoy just get randomly shot. And you're like, well, they're out. You're like, OK. No ending for their story, really. Yep. Um, yeah, that's that, I suppose. Is that we? Yeah, that's that's that's all I care to. So that's all that I care to really say, honestly. I think I've just I'm just kind of over it in a way. As a kind of going, what a shame. Theos in chat as well. And you just said, like, there's a lot of stuff throughout the show of how to healthily and unhealthily engage with, like, faith and religious institutions and how they can manipulate the people or huge religious angle to this. Yeah, and I've seen different people say I checked the subreddit saying like they loved it because of how anti-religion the show is. And I honestly didn't get that myself. Yeah, I didn't get an anti-religious vibe. Just don't be a it's it's it's pretty basic stuff, really. It's just like, don't be a religious zealot. The show basically says like having faith in God and stuff doesn't make you a good person. That seems to be the message I got and that you can have like the crazy evil ones and then the genuinely good people who are trying to do the best they can. And they find a lot of, you know, path and meaning through God and stuff, which I'm fine with. I I thought a lot of it was respectful of it. And as we had with rags, kept like pointing out different things, how they work with different like ceremonies. Oh, yeah, they do a really good job with the because I used to be Catholic when I was young. And they do a lot of work to make sure that a lot of the Catholic ceremonies and things are accurate with the terminology and the liturgical times of the year and stuff like that. It was like, like you could tell what's going to happen next by, oh, it's Ash Wednesday. That means that Lent is coming. Oh, OK, that's done. OK, it's going to be Easter. Like, OK, you know, then you could you could tell. There were like three or four times where rags would say a word and then they would say it in the show. It was uncanny. Like, you'd be like, oh, this celebration is this or this event is this. They're wearing this. And then the character in the show would say, I mean, like. So, yeah, as far as I know, they paid some decent respect to how everything works. They just also said that there are fucking crazy people out there who are also religious and then there are ways to engage in faith that are really toxic and horrible and stuff. And so, yeah, yeah, it was it was that was that was part of the show that I really enjoyed was the characters. You know, some characters treating that differently and how the priest who's the other man, senior, who's a central character is a really likable guy. And he's a very, you know, he's very approachable, very down to earth. And I enjoy his I guess we can talk about it. I guess we can say it almost goes without saying because it's a Mike Flanagan production, but like the acting was across the board stellar. Yeah, there was some scenes that everyone was fantastic to say we were silent would be an understatement. We were just staring and listening. Very impressive cast once again. So I don't know what's next. I don't know what the reviews will be over the next week or so as people watch it and finish it up. But my hopes are not high. Yeah, obviously, we hope people criticize it for how it folds back on itself or it does this that the other. But like, I have a feeling that we're going to see a lot of it was boring. Which would be like, oh, well, that's fine, I guess. But yeah, is that that, I suppose? Because the thing is, we're probably not going to talk about Midnight Mass again, other than in passing. Yeah, it'll be in passing. What's interesting is that by the time our recording of it comes out, it's possible that we we've referred to by then the ending of Midnight Mass many, many, many times and you'll see us doing real time. It'll be weird for an audience to know exactly how we feel about the show and then to watch it all happen when it first happened. We were quiet most of it. It was only until the end that we were like, right, OK, we have things to say. Will you do a mini for Midnight Mass? Yes, but it won't be out for a long time. We got loads of other stuff coming like the Resident Evil arc. That's on the way. Do you guys see the trailer? I did. Yeah. I like that trailer. That was really cool. We get more. Did you see the trailer? Not yet. Useless. Chad, did you see the trailer? Yes, it was a triumph. And I particularly liked the the Resident Evil in the trailer and the reactions that amazing. Very. Also, yeah, I was going to say, like, I've got the Mario stuff back on. So no more Midnight Mass spoilers, everybody. OK. Go check it out for yourselves. Have fun, hopefully. All right. So I guess that brings us to the main event. Is the reason why you all showed up? Yes. Wait, what was that? Let's watch the trailer. Let's watch the trailer. That's the main event, right? I mean, we could watch the trailer for EFAP. It's 11 minutes, though, so it's quite long, you know. Oh, 11 minutes. Yes, quite long. Is it better than what we're going to watch? Actually, I'm excited to watch whatever we're watching today. Oh, that's that's a no from me. Yeah, me too. That's a no from Rick. Sorry, guys. No from me. That is a no from me. I would like to carry on with our EFAP stuff. However, maybe we could end with that. We could wrap up with it and we could put the links in there. And it is also on the ruler. So because it is a really nice trailer. I'm I'm quite excited to see the Resident Evil EFAP movies come out. All right, I'll watch it on my own time. But you know what this means, Mola? I expect a I don't know what we call our historical. Do we call it War Movies Arc? Even though I don't see it. War Movies Arc, I expect a trailer for that. Then I'm waiting. Well, we we've got to record another. Is it we're on nine? We've got to record another three. Don't we have like another 20 playing? No, no, we've got to record another three to complete this arc. And then we will start a new one and we can all decide on exactly what we want it to be. And because 12 movies means a year's arc, you know? One per month. And then we'll have them go in and record another 12 within the year and it'll just be a constant arc. It'll be wonderful. So, yeah, that's going to be fun when that comes out, too. Anyway, you know, we talked about Black Widow all those years ago. And we never it has been many years now. It's correct. Yes, we never covered any like videos talking about how great Black Widow was. And, you know, videos were made, guys. Excellent. Videos were made about how good it is. And so you think of yourselves like, why would they do that? Why would why would why would anyone do that? You know, because they're bad at their jobs. No, because opinions are OK, rags. You racist. Jesus, Hitler was fine. Did Hitler like Black Widow? Hitler had opinions and if all opinions are valid. Yeah, about movies, rags, not about all things. Gosh, idiot. Well, I guess I can watch this watch together here. I provided a link on it. Well, you can jump right in. Oh, very exciting. It's an old friend. Art one. It's an old friend of the channel. Cinema wins, everybody. Oh, and they're going to tell us about all of the victories, cinematic victories in Black Widow. And yeah, he made two parts. That's how thorough he had to be. Yes. Yes. Wow. It wasn't because it like is better for the algorithm. And thus we'll get him more clicks, views and money and stuff. It's because he couldn't possibly fit 30 minutes into one video. It had to be 15 apiece. That's how it works. Oh, that's fucking lame. I don't know about you, but technically it's illegal to have any videos longer than 15 minutes. So I've heard, I mean, I was going to say, this guy is this this guy's brevity is a soul of wit in the form of a person because like the movie is like two hours or some shit. And he's managed to do this in just the 30 minutes. That's way less than the movie. Nice. Amazing. It's OK as long as it's less than the runtime of the of the thing you're you're covering. Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, if it's one minute over, then it's then it's horrible. But if it's like, you know, 30 seconds under the runtime, then it's fine. Mm hmm. Um, so I'm hoping everyone has seen Black Widow in chat. You guys love that movie. I've heard. We are going to give a different perspective on it. We think it's less good, like, not great. It's one of the best MCU movies, of course, but it's not, you know, it's a wibbly wobbly. That's true. That that accolade is reserved for Shang-Chi. I wasn't even concluding that, because that's the triumph movie. That's top tier, like, yeah, well, I mean, Black Widow is a triumph of its own kind. What's the first movie with a female lead, which is pretty cool? That's right. She's the first. I think it's the first movie with a woman in it. Yeah, I just woman flat. Yeah, I agree. Isn't isn't isn't Black Widow like the first woman? She might be the first woman. Might be the first woman. That's very true. I don't recall ever seeing one before Black Widow. And I will say, as the first woman, Scarlett Johansson, it's like quite a start. Really ladies, I just want to say the bar has been set really high. I don't know if a lot of I don't know if most of you can live up to that. But well, you know, do your best. Yeah, that's what I devil's advocate here. I have to say, I don't think she has looked as good as she did in Iron Man 2. Like that was her peak, right? That was like fucking 11 years ago. OK, she's she's had. I think she's had two kids since then or something. I'm not sure. So she's gone through it. I mean, you know, just her hairstyle, even her hairstyle, like she had the best hairstyle out of all the incarnations of Black Widow in the first Iron Man. And then they do some weird things like the arc of the worst haircut she had was the one where she was in I think it was Winter Soldier. It was the flat one that was just stroked on the sides. It's like, man, that's a hot type right there. Yeah, that style is not doing anything for this guy. I'm sorry. I disagree. Wait, what's your favorite one? Winter Soldier, frankly, wrong. Um, I honestly, it could be. It could be a toss up between like, I think, I think for me, the toss up is Iron Man 2 with the soldier and Civil War. I think that's the idea. I really like her Iron Man 2 hair. I'm not a fan of either of the Avengers hair. It's just not the styling. No, not. Yeah, I think that Iron Man 2 was her best iteration, at least physically, obviously. She gets better character moments later on. But I like the kind of the character she's the lighter on. Probably I'm guessing Avengers is probably your best. I mean, she's really, really good on point character in the first Avengers. Both Avengers movies do a lot of work for her. Yeah. Winter Soldier is probably good for her, too. Civil War. Do we agree that the blonde Black Widow is the worst hair for her? Do you mean the Elena? Oh, you told me about Infinity War. I thought that's what he meant, too. The blonde Black Widow, Elena. She was blonde there for a bit. And then she had, there's that one time where she had like dark roots and then that went blonde halfway down. I forget what that was for. That was Endgame. That was Endgame. Endgame, OK. Well, not all of Endgame, but yeah. Um, what an interesting start to this conversation. Well, you know, all the comments are going to be about how all we do is we objectify here and we talk about the best one must just be the one with like the one that is the prettiest. We objectify here. Even though we literally just said that Iron Man, too, she's like not a character at all, basically. Hey, she's the femme fatale. That's about it. Alrighty, well, you know what? I guess is everyone ready? I mean, anything else we should say? Just we also learned that Fringy has terrible taste in hairstyles. Damn, Fringy, you going to defend yourself or are you just going to leave that there? Well, what does it matter? Who cares? I care for you. That's what someone says when they know they're wrong. Yeah, it's fine. We'll just we'll just continue. It's OK. All right. I'm sorry, Fringy. Don't worry, Fringy. I still love you, but hairstyle. Yeah. Hey, look, all right. I just I just think it I think I think it's neat. That's all. A passionate defense. All right, citizens, what have you got for us? What did you bring? Let's see what's up. Everything great about Black Widow is sponsored by the Curiosity Stream Nebula Bundle, and if you want to see both part one and part two right now, go to the link in the description and sign up for Curiosity Stream and get a Nebula for free. Well, we we we got them because we're in the future. We didn't need no Curiosity Stream. Anything great about Black Widow? No, just the just the normally the holy noises that's like. All right, this is like worship this movie. Yeah, that's implication with with the offer with the. What the hell? I know that's what he know the funny part is he does that for every single thing, but this one is so unsuitable because that title card plays behind the sound on top of the sound of the children screaming at the beginning of the film, you remember human trafficking. So like this doesn't work at all. Watch that again. That is funny as fuck. My ears. I didn't notice the screaming. What were you thinking? You didn't have to use the audio from the film. You could have put any no audio. Just have to wire things. So take the soundtrack that would have been a beat in there. You could have used you just kept the children screaming. Why did you do that? You know, you can like I think it's a is it you in Premiere where you just like you ungroup the track from the. Yeah, you just click you. Yeah, you just click you and then control X to make it go away. Man, which is obviously what you do instead of having screaming children over your choir music in your intro. Before we continue, I just want to have a I don't know, a macro kind of observation on the cinema wins style. I don't get to comment too much on him and and look, of course, critiquing his videos. Nothing gets impersonal. He's probably a really nice guy in person, stuff like that. I just I find it interesting. His his kind of approach to, you know, looking at films because I can kind of get the idea of trying to be positive about stuff. And you can you can still find good things in terrible films and give it credit where it does good, you know, actual good things. But what cinnamon seems to do is he really reaches and he picks is a mega-reacher. He's just like cinema sense. He's just the reverse. Yeah, it's like it's a compensation. It's like it's like he feels like there's too much negativity. So we just overcompensates positivity and which is there's something that grabs that it's called toxic positivity. It's when you pretend everything's awesome when it's all being wrong. Well, I just prefer to think of it as like, you know, there are things that aren't like good, right? And that's that's fine. Like it's not like it actually shouldn't up because it feels like it feels like we're going very roundabout for just, you know, like you don't have to listen to people when they say that they hate it and that it sucks, like you can just go into your own little bubble and then and then watch it and enjoy it and have fun. And you can totally do that. And you don't have to make videos where like you you kind of just make these really bizarre points to defend something. It's OK to like thing. Well, nobody's coming. Nobody's coming. I would have. Yeah, I don't have no issue. With someone who wants to approach things and look for the legitimately good elements of even even in terrible films. And so if he points out legitimately good parts of Black Widow, I'm sure it would have no objection at all. It's just when he points out things that are wrong or just reaches and just bizarre things like that's that's rather odd. A safe place to start for all these usually the acting for these sorts of movies. You're like, the acting is probably going to be so you can play. Yeah, great. Um, cinematography might be something. Soundtrack might be something. Story is going to get tough to praise because like Black Widow, especially this is a movie where basically everything falls apart. But I understand the idea of you. Maybe you could try. I've done it for TFA. Those TFA videos, like there's lots of sections about the things I thought that JJ did well, especially in when Ray is first introduced. There's like a lot of stuff in there. Yeah, yeah, like at the end of your actually at the end of your Black Widow video, I actually it kind of flew over my head, but that after a credit scene with the the whistling, I was like, oh, shit, that was really good. Too bad I was in a terrible movie, but the the call back to the whistling at the end where it's over the grave. That's like that was really well done. Actually, I felt something actually myself. I saw it in the live chat when I was premiering. A lot of people saying cringe, lame, like about that. I was like, so like having this whistle the go, I think it's like a one tone and then two tones from Yeah, Natasha. And, you know, they do it to each other as kids. They do it to each other as adults. And then you only hear the half of it at the grave site because it's you know, it's only Yelena's half left. And I was like, that's kind of kind of sad. Movie sucks. But like it's, you know, I think that's weird. You could compliment that little good things can be in bad movies, people. Yeah, I guess the problem is, though, is that this attitude doesn't exactly foster any desire to improve. At your craft. But yeah, man, it's all good. If all if all our art is of equal value and there's it's all just great, then. What an admission of horrific. Well, yeah, because what I think that's the problem is, it's like a lot of people, it's a really great example of cognitive dissonance, where you like you will accept that you need to practice writing to get good at writing. You will accept that you need to read books on writing to learn about writing, except authorities on writing, try to. Yeah, and that there are these rules that you have to follow. But all that matters is expression, and it doesn't really matter like how it turns out you've expressed yourself and you've done that. And so it's all it's all it's all great and good. It's weird. It's kind of this bizarre state of like, I recognize that that there is some level of this works and this doesn't and that there's a way to improve. But also everything that everybody does has like value that is somewhat equivalent. And there is no such thing as like good or bad when it comes to story weird. And I think that it can directly influence better movies. Like I after your whole DC arc, we saw an extremely extremely valid example of that between Man of Steel and Batman versus Superman. I mean, Batman versus Superman still has a ton of problems. But I think the fact that they were that people responded so drastically about the just the collateral damage and the destruction in the first film. And that became basically the inciting incident of the Batman versus Superman, where Batman was directly the effect of Superman's carnage. And that actually made for a much more interesting film than if they just had came with something else. They actually respond, you know, criticism and inspired a new story. So I think that was pretty cool, actually, to see that that that responsiveness from, you know, audience critique. I think you've raised something that's interesting, that's kind of like an important caveat is you can always ignore people's criticism, like they might be wrong. They might actually just be totally wrong and what what you did works and their criticism is bad. Criticism can be bad. Like it can just be wrong or the priorities offer it's just something they didn't like and they can't really substantiate it with something that's in the film. Well, even Zach was like, oh, yeah, there should be a lot of people dying, actually, in that opening. Oh, yeah, that's that's the thing, right? If a lot of people are responding a certain way, then something's happening there that probably worth thinking about. But like criticism can be super valuable. I don't I don't like the idea of just saying, well, no, it's like criticism bad, you know, having positive opinions is cool. But if you have negative opinions, your opinionated, you're an asshole, your prick, let people like things. It always comes back to that. It's good that it happened so early, I guess, in this whole the the e-faps history and stuff. But that conversation was just right, where a point of praise was the that Holdo had good reason not to tell Poe the plan. When you like discuss it down to the nuts and bolts and you finally get him in a position where he's like, oh, actually, yeah, that didn't make sense. Like, so now that it was a point of praise, now that the references aren't the same as you thought they were, what is it? Is it a point of flaw? And you can see like the dot, dot, dot, like. And I feel the same way for someone like CinemaSense. If you were in the call and whatever he's going to say in this video, I'm sure he's going to praise a piece of the writing in some way that will lack a key piece of information that will shatter that through line. And I just wonder how he'd reconcile it. And is it as simple as you don't like ignore that part? That's yeah, it's like at that point, it's like, if I have to ignore components of the story to lack the story, then maybe there's a problem here. And at that point, everything is on the same level because you can just take whatever you want from anything. It doesn't matter what's actually there. You can take whatever you want from any story. That's that's totally fine. Because, of course, whatever you get out of a story up to you and there are certain stories that can have something that means more to you because of history or anything like that. That's totally fine. But then you make a video called Everything Great About Black Widow, you know? Part one, even children's screaming at the beginning. It's just a different plane. There's I remember YMS said something along. I just remember it because it's like, yeah, it's kind of epitomized that it was something like if you don't like that piece of criticism, then like maybe or something like you should change your response from no, this movie is actually really good to. Well, I liked it. It's like there is a difference between these two statements. I think everybody can appreciate that there's a difference between the two statements. Like how many times have you had a conversation where someone says, I know it's not good, but I like it? Like people are absolutely aware of that of like, yeah, it has merit. But when you say something you like versus something is good, it feels like the difference between saying something I see and something we see. And you're like, whoa, you just included me now. I don't I don't agree. I guess, yeah. I think that is YouTube creators. We could all agree that have we not gotten criticism and any critical comments over the past however many years we've been doing all this, we would have been worse off. Like I've definitely improved due to some of very, very harsh criticism I've gotten over the years, whether it's like, you know, audio quality or editing or not making something clear enough or having, you know, jarring, you know, audio cues or something like that. Or just, you know, writing or noticing mistakes. I've I've definitely improved because of some criticism. Some criticisms just like trash and I throw it out, throw it away. But other criticism, if it has a grain of truth, I definitely take it to heart and try to improve next time. Identifying the difference in those two is also difficult sometimes. Because, yeah. I've gotten I've gotten criticism before that's like 99 percent bullshit. But the one percent is like, oh, God, he's kind of right. And those are the worst. Those are those are so painful. But at the same time, you just you just got to kind of, OK, well, I'll do better next time. Well, it's the whole thing of is it detrimental to you? Like if somebody very harshly says something that's true, you are detrimental yourself if you are like, well, you were harsh. So go away. I'm not listening to that, especially if you recognize it to be true. Yeah, benefits from taking advice that is correct, even if it's harsh and then improving the work like that's beneficial. I guess it would be preferable if everybody was nicer about it. But I don't know where humans were emotional and stupid. You just said it would be preferable if I was nice about it. I think that just explains the origin of this channel. Like the cinema wins, I mean, like, isn't it nice when people are positive? And it's like, I feel like, you know, it should be nice when people can just be honest and nice. That's entirely possible. And I don't. Well, this is this is the interesting point about this, because some people take any type of criticism, regardless of how it's delivered, even if it's delivered constructively, in good faith, as meanness, that's just cruelty in pointing out the negative things in my work and stuff. Because, yeah, people can get super defensive, especially about, you know, their own works and stuff. At that point, it's like, why are you sharing it with me? You just want me to say that it's great. Awesome. Good job. Fantastic. Good for you. Or do you actually care what I think? Because it actually is more of an indictment on you if in response to criticism, you get really pissed off, like, then it is to just be like, OK, that's that's I'll take that into account. And of course, you can disregard it because it might just be criticism. Power is in your hands. All right. How you want to criticize is more important than how the criticism is delivered to you. This is true, but let's expand a little bit on it because there's some more nuance to this discussion that I think is worth acknowledging. When I was young, I wanted to be a comic book artist. And I would draw all the time. That was like my thing. If you saw me in school sitting at a desk, I was drawing. I thought I was supposed to be doing work in school. I was drawing. Yeah. And I was super heroes. And and I'm a storyteller. I'm an orphan now, right? But the way I express my stories when I was younger is I would draw them instead of write them because I was actually really bad at English. And so I didn't read a lot, but so I would draw. And I actually started to get pretty good. But I mean, compared to a professional when I was young, I was a large difference. I eventually got to a professional standard. But OK, so when I was trying to get better at drawing, I actually put a lot of my own self-worth in my this talent. This is I was a large identifying feature about who I was. Being young, I took criticism of my art very personally. And and I would get really, really depressed when people pointed out the legitimate flaws. And I think it was because I kind of knew the flaws. I was always comparing my artwork to the comic books I was reading. And I could see the difference. And so no one really needed to point it out for me to be able to know that I still have a long way to go. But praise of my work, even though it was still very imperfect, was the biggest motivational boost for me. That that would get me enthused or get me one to, you know, draw more and get better at it. But when people would just be an A-hole, well, this is the thing that I because I would perceive criticism as being this because I was young and immature. That was my own failing, but that was the reality of how I responded. And so with sometimes when people pointed out flaws in my work, that depressed me and it would have the negative effect on me getting better at it because it would make me not want to do it. And so it's a difficult balance because where I was, I was too immature to be able to take criticism properly again. That was my own failing because I was young, but it kind of depends on what you want to achieve when you're trying to give feedback and also who you're dealing with as well. Like, for instance, professional YouTube creators, I think, should be mature enough to be able to take some constructive criticism because they're professionals. And this is very different to, say, a young person trying to make YouTube videos and stuff like that. Because I see young people trying to make videos. My nephew is actually one of them. And when he tries to make something, I'm not going to hold him to the same standard. I say, I would with a video from a YouTube who does this professionally and say, this is garbage. I'd say, no, this you've got your show. It's a really good effort here. I could see some really great promise in what you're doing here and there. And it's a completely different mindset of approach where this person I know is wanting to achieve something, the encouragement, so I'm going to focus on things that are doing great, you know, well, things that I can build up on and build positivity inside. It's just I think it's an interesting discussion to look at both sides, I guess, of the of the criticism tree, if that makes sense. Yeah, I guess the have you seen what you mean? Both sides of the criticism coin. Yeah, coin. I think I was going for that. Because trees have I guess tree has two sides. Yeah, like you split it on the middle, like an outside and an inside, maybe. Have you seen Whiplash Shad out of curiosity? No, you thought it was a movie, isn't it? Yeah, so that's that's a really great movie. And it's there is a part of that film that is about the idea of the film is basically kind of about what does it take to be basically the best at any particular creative skill? And one of the characters I don't want to I've seen ads about this. Yeah, I've seen a trailer for this film. You're very much a drummer in the world. OK, yeah, yeah, that's that's the one. So I don't want to spoil too much. There's there is a character who has a perspective on what it takes to basically create the best player in the world. And he always refers to Charlie Parker as a jazz player. And he got a symbol thrown at his head when he performed with a group like it didn't hit him, but he got a symbol thrown at him. And and then he came back later on and basically became like one of the greatest jazz players ever. And the logic that he had is that there is no that that somebody like that could never be discouraged, no matter how harsh the criticism is. That's an interesting thought. But there probably are a lot of people who could be really great to would actually be discouraged from incredibly negative scathing criticism. And so, yeah, I would be inclined to agree that not everybody is going to the same approach is not going to work with everybody. You can't be harsh with certain people who could be incredibly talented, who could be discouraged by being harshly berated. Yeah, I think tact is very important when it comes to criticism. Tact is important. It's just also to be important to be clear on your criticism and not just label it as crap. Like that doesn't help anybody just say, OK, your audio level is wrong. The section isn't clear, you know, the visuals in this part of the video don't correspond to what you're talking about. Things like that you can work with or saying like all your voiceover doesn't have any gaps between it. So everything's a run on sentence. Things like that can be are like pretty objective and pretty useful when you go into when you get more esoteric. Like, you know, I wasn't I wasn't feeling a theme to this story. It's just like, you know, OK, we're supposed to do with that. But I actually have two stories. One about myself, one about a colleague. I'll try to be quick because I know we're barely past the title card here. But I have done a lot of music since I was a teenager, like electronic music and stuff like that. I've never done anything professionally. But I take it around, did some loops and stuff. Didn't really learn music theory, which is probably my biggest problem. But everybody I showed me music to people would like say, you know, friends and him is like, wow, it's really cool. I like it, you know, so and so. And people would actually ask for it. I'm like, that's neat. And one time I was in a car with this with a work colleague and I just without telling them anything, we're just driving. And I put my music CD into the the music player and they're like, what is this crap? And I'm like, oh, interesting because they they weren't they were. They if I would have said, hey, this is the music I made. They probably would have had a completely different response. Yeah. But, you know, having no context, I got their honest opinion. I'm like, oh, interesting. OK, that kind of hurts. But at least I got their honest opinion on it. You need something like that. You need someone who's willing to tell you the truth. And it's really interesting. I have a very like a polar opposite example. There was a local singer in my area that kind of friends, colleagues with. Are all local singers in your area? Local singles are in your area, too, by the way, local singles. Well, yeah, they know about all the iPads you won. And so they want to get in on some of that action. Exactly. But interestingly enough, she was like she would like to do local music at like the local keep on saying local the local church and stuff like that. And of course, you have a captive audience there. You know, they're they're all going to clap. They're all going to cheer. And she kind of went to her head and then she went on tour and it failed. So she didn't I think she some actual criticism or some guidance or at least constructive criticism would have helped her because I think she got the miss the kind of warped idea that she was, you know, incredible and everybody wanted to hear her and she did a tour and that didn't quite work out that well. Not to say she was necessarily bad, but had she had a more critical eye like a music producer go over her and say, oh, yeah, you know, you actually need to do this or this is not going to stand out or what people really want to hear is this, you know, for better or worse, that she probably would have done better on tour. But because she listened to an exceptionally uncritical and positive audience, she kind of went to her head and she was like, oh, well, I can be I can become a rock star. And so, you know, criticism could be harsh for sure. And it can actually be quite like Shad said, quite unmotivating, you know, demotivating, in fact. But at the same time, if you don't get that criticism, you may completely have a warped idea of how good your work actually is. I totally agree, totally agree. In fact, sorry, I have an experience that that mirrors right into that. Because you know how I was saying, I want to be a good artist. Well, eventually a professional cartoonist moved into my congregation in the church where I attended. So as a member of the same faith and and he was a professional cartoonist. His art was just amazing and seeing him work, how fast he could draw was crazy. And like he had these Conan panels that he did for for what he didn't do a professional because they were the submission panel. So he drew these Conan, you know, full page comic book, you know, pages to submit to Marvel to get hired on Conan. And they offered him a job, but he turned it down because they didn't offer him Conan and he specifically wanted to come in. They're amazing. And so I remember showing him some of my work, right? About these superheroes I created and I was saying all the high big dreams are like, I want to send it to Stan Lee and make comic books of him and stuff. And and his response, right? I remember it was like, now, I don't upset you, but you really do you understand that if you send this in, it's not going to get accepted. Well, that was like a stab to the heart, right? But it was so true. It was absolutely true because my drawing wasn't even half as good as it needed to be to be accepted, because there is a professional standard that people are accepting. And as hard it is to hear, even the big wide-eyed dreamers need to know where they're at before they try and jump into something that they're not ready for. You've got to you've got to get past that Dunning Kruger part. You've got to I feel like Dunning Kruger is so true because it's happened to me so many times. You should probably explain to the people at home what the Dunning Kruger effect is. The Dunning Kruger effect is essentially the idea that whenever you start upon anything, but specifically like a creative skill, when you start, you have an incredibly high level of confidence, but your skills are shit. And and you are so you are so confident, like you are so very confident in your ability to do this. But then and the reason why you're so confident is because you kind of don't know what good is yet. And then, you know, you start figuring it out when you learn a little bit more about the craft and your confidence poor, just craters. It goes down. It's it's a it's a steep drop. And it's it's this point where I think a lot of people quit. And then eventually you start to that's not it. How is that not it? It's similar. It is that you can go more broad with it. Essentially, the less you know about something, think of it as a spectrum in terms of those who don't know much about a topic, think they know a whole lot more than they do. And the people who actually do know a lot about a topic are also confident in how much they know and people who are kind of in the middle are generally the most accurate about how much they really know about something. It's it's like the lower the lower skill you have or the more less knowledge you have, the more the higher estimation of your knowledge and skill you have, basically. So the more you know about a topic, the more accurate your estimation of skill is. You tend to have to wait a long time. Yeah, yeah, basically. Yeah, like I have a I have a great example of that. I almost quit YouTube within my first few months, because my first scripted video I did, I did a doom retrospective. And I spent like weeks and weeks on it. It was like a 10 minute video. My God, it was like, Jesus, so long. And I got it up and I was really proud of it. And then I searched for my video and then I found a Hoy's video on doom, which was an hour long and looked like a movie documentary. His video on doom. And I was like, it's incredible. Yeah. And I was like, I can never do this. So I thought that like, well, I'm useless. I should just quit right now. But luckily instead of what I did is I was like, OK, let me try to improve. And I don't think I'm as good as a Hoy even today. But I've significantly improved since 2016. That's for sure. So you can take it one or two ways. You can look at like, oh, man, I'll never be that good. Or you can look at it like, hey, maybe I can try to improve. Why is this so good? What techniques does a Hoy use that I don't want to rip him off? But I could I could see, OK, his pacing. He'll have like meaningful silence. You'll have meaningful, you know, interruptions where he does, you know, a musical cue, he'll time his cuts to the music. And so all these things I took to heart. And eventually it got a lot better. And and I probably wouldn't have had a Hoy not existed. But just just on this note, then, just of course, I read it off. This is also the big danger about self-publishing because there is a lot of people who are self-publishing work that is really not up the level that you would ideally want when you're publishing anything. And it's a difficult thing to actually figure out where you are as a writer, if you're at the level adequate enough to be considered a professional. And one of the points of advice I have for people about trying to figure out if you're writing is up to standard and quality is I have a whole video on us. So people just watch that video. It's about when you're continually trying to learn the craft and you get to a point when you review your past works that you're not finding nearly as many problems as you were before is one. But the other way is still even if you can intending to self-publish. And this is actually what I was doing. Still submit your work to literary agents and publishers. And as soon as they start to show interest and ask for more samples, that's a clear sign that you're writing at a professional standard because no literary agent worth their salt is going to ask for any additional samples of your work or the whole manuscript. Unless the sample you set them was at a professional standard. They do not even look twice at things that have just, you know, low quality sub past standard. And as soon as you start to get, you know, interests and feet and people wanting to see more, that's a good sign for you to say, OK, I might be somewhere with my writing now. And that can give you a bit more confidence to go down the self-publishing route because it's wrong to say you should never self publish. I self published and have seen incredible results and and people have offered to represent me, you know, professionally. But now I say no, because I can do a better job for myself doing it my own on self publishing. And so it is a danger, though, because I have come across people like, all right, I got this book, I'm ready. I don't want to self publish. I'm like, OK, have you really looked at that? Have you really gotten it properly, you know, reviewed? And because one of the worst things that you do is put something out there, publish your first work and it being terrible, because that's a mark on you as your, you know, professional writing standard that's there forever. And it's like, that's a yeah. Yeah, I got this image up on screen that probably represents what the point of the Dunning-Kruger effect is pretty well. You start out with a little understanding and hyperconfidence. Then you hit that valley. We are like, oh, man, this is so much more complicated. I'm actually pretty sure that then you start climbing back up. But I mean, if only enough, the different graphs have different points to make in terms of where you end up at the end. A lot of the time, the idea is that even once you're like basically the best in your craft, you'll never be quite as confident as you were when you started, because you're kind of more aware that there's still probably stuff that you could be better at. This is the thing of you start really overconfident. Like even the best doctors in the world will probably suggest, hey, get a second opinion. Somebody else might have more experience in a specific field than I do. You know, they're mostly just less definitive on things because they know more about the caveats and like, hmm, actually, well, that's not quite the case. Well, you know, there's always that argument. But the idea is you just got to push through that valley of like doubt. This is kind of the approach with the Dark Souls boss. Oftentimes, the first to the first couple tries are your best ones. And then you slip into many bad ones and you're like, I'm not going to do it. And you start really learning and then you do it. And you're like, oh, that was tough. It's just the thing of as you learn, it becomes more daunting. But then as you keep doing it, you'll get better. You just get back up. You get through that, that back to that kind of peak, kind of peak. No, not ever quite as high as it was at the beginning, I don't think. Well, then. Should we carry on with the video? Yeah, I think that was just a very elaborate way of saying we feel a lot of these film essayists should, I don't know, get their stuff before they put it in. So they always think that their feelings on a film are absolutely valid. Because that's just I was going to say that part of the problem with that is that they feel I've had people I've talked to in the past, YouTubers who have been like, I do not want anyone's opinion on this movie before I complete my whole video and release it, like not even get it proofed because it's so important. I'm not of that mind. It's so important to capture those initial human reaction as if this did this, this golden egg that cannot be touched whatsoever. And it needs to be captured. And by the way, I'm totally on board with the idea that like it's fun to compare, at least with initial reactions to like later on reactions. But the idea that like I couldn't possibly show you my videos, it would taint it, you're like, OK, that's weird. That is so bizarre. That's like writing a draft and never getting it reviewed or revised at all and just publish. I would tell him that's like, I was like, oh, I would tell him. I'm the opposite writer. When I finished watching a movie that I have things to say on, I want someone to talk to you about it, not a mirror. She was like, hmm, what did you think? Well, you know, these are the problems. I'd be like, did anyone else notice how stupid this thing was? And then, you know, if two people like, yes, and two people like, no, I'd be like, oh, here we go. Now, I would think that your initial experience of some media would could definitely be tampered with if you watched a review and already have a label of this is a bad movie or this is a great movie. I think that could definitely alter your opinion of it. But once you've kind of like experienced it on your own, I definitely find value in seeing other people, other people's viewpoints on it because there's something you could completely miss at somebody else's point of notice. Yeah, I just I feel like the work gets improved when you have more eyes and more minds on it, at least in terms of input for you, because you'll never know what kind of stuff they can come up with that makes you go, oh, shit, that's true. I didn't even see that. Something like that, unknown, unknown. Well, absolutely. I mean, this is why when you write like a book, you not only do you review it several times, you get an edit to go through it and then you get beta readers to go through it on. You're always getting feedback on every single level because figuring out if things work, because when you're writing something to figure out, pacing can be a very instinctive thing, but you're going off your own perception and you need to try and find out, OK, that's how you feel. That's either flowing or you hope audiences react this way to how you've written it, but you're not going to know that until you test it out with a sample group. And sometimes the response is very different to your intention or what you what you expected. Well, here's something to think about, though. People be more in test screening and bringing people in. What's the cool with video games when they bring people into like play it play test while a test? Yeah, that's right. People criticize that because that's yielded bad results sometime. I guess it's just interesting to think about at what point do you do when you bring other people in to take a look at it? It's like, well, who's whose perspectives are you seeking out matters a lot? On that note, Fringy, it actually relates to a point you rose previously is you have to know enough about the craft to be able to point out good criticism and feedback and bad criticism when it's just incorrect. Like I've had people try and say, this is really bad. Or like it was actually one of the beta areas for my novel and they try to point out something that wasn't working and they were objectively wrong. They were not understanding the character at all. And if I had followed what they were trying to say, it would have ruined the book. And it was the other part is what they were saying was in direct contradiction to something that heaps of other debate readers were praising very, you know, like quite a lot in the book. And so, yeah, you have to be able to be aware enough of the craft to be able to figure out, sorry, you're wrong at times. Yeah, I mean, even if you conclude that you shouldn't take it or should take it, at least give them a listen, right? Yeah, absolutely. You just got to be discerning. That's all. Which is interesting. Go ahead. Now, I was just going to point out there's another layer to it, too, where even if the observed flaws are incorrect, you could also fault the creator for not making it clear enough that that's the case. So, like, there are sometimes very obscure references that clue you in on something that, say, a lot of people, even the majority of people watching a movie might not notice. And so you could well, say objectively, that isn't a flaw because it is explained here. Maybe it's so obscure or it's so cryptic and maybe intentionally so that, you know, a lot of people can't pick up on it. And so you could even criticize, hey, well, although you do explain it here, it went over most people's heads. And so you could even count that as a flaw. If you're trying to get it across to a majority of people, maybe you made it too subtle or maybe you didn't make it clear enough. Lots of tough details to sort out. But I mean, it's funny. We're talking about stuff where it can get really complicated as to whether or not is it a flaw? Is it a misunderstanding? Is it a bubble? But I'm stuck all the way back at, like, they'll make a major mistake and won't see it because they didn't show anybody. And then, for example, Wonder Woman 84 just has a rap seat at it. And they're just like, oh, shit. Because you know, for a fact that she would have not done that if she could go back. Oh, yeah, yeah, she wouldn't have done that. I like that. That one still baffles me. I can't believe it went through all the stages and know what. Like, did someone raise it? And they just said, now we disagree or it's fine. I don't think that could have happened. I'm assuming that everybody just sort of went with it. And if there were ever any thoughts about it, they were like, I'm fine. I think it's fine. And you know what? We were we were struggling on the rules when we were watching it in real time. We were like, wait, is it is it this? Is it this? Is it like, how is that? And I wonder if people on set were like that. They were like, oh, this all makes sense in post. I don't even know what's happening, really. I think it's Chris Pine. She's having sex with. It's fine. It's all the individual scenes are so, you know, like self-contained when they're doing the filming that they're not paying attention to the larger implications of what's happening. Yeah, I think the writers, at least, gosh. You'd think someone on the Tross script stuff would have been like the enemies don't know how to look up. That seems stupid, right? Also, they probably filmed several versions of the different scenes with different lines. They could have had a whole version that we don't know about that she was actually like he wasn't inhabiting someone else's body. But, you know, you know, it could have been. There was a version where it was just Chris Pine came back and that was that. Yeah. Yeah, you could change that in editing, practically. Like it's such a there's only a couple visual cues. You could probably could have fixed that in one idea line. You'd be fine. Yeah. I just I really want to see like if if you've seen the skit by White as Kids, you know, about the Greatest. I really want to see like a version of that with Patty Jenkins, like showing the showing the movie to like a focus group. And they're like, isn't that kind of rapy? He's like, no, no, you're sick in the head. The reaction like you would have to be so sick to think that's right, of course. It's not. Be cold already then. Let's see what his first point is. Location cards are giving me Civil War feels, which makes perfect sense since we're about to jump to right after the events of that movie. It reminds you of it's like Civil War. So that's when you know, I can word it better. I think this is a a minor win for the film that they kept the locations consistent when this film takes place inside Civil War. So it's like, I guess it's nice that you remain consistent with how they do the location descriptions in Civil War because your film is in Civil War. But I don't know that that's much of a compliment. Is that a compliment to Civil War more than it is to this film? Well, the compliment comes to this film for just maintaining that consistent sort of approach. It's nice, I guess. I guess that is a nano compliment to the film. But okay, that's fine. I mean, I could have been literally the editor was like, what kind of title card should I do for this location? I'll just copy and paste the After Effects project I had from the other time. Okay, cool, done. You know, it could have been as simple as that, actually. It's like the two towers using the same font as Fellowship and Return of the King. You're like, ah, that's good. They used the same font. Well, so the thing, to be fair, Black Widow could have not done this and I wouldn't have considered it a flaw. I would have been like, okay, do whatever you want. You're your own movie. Yeah, I wouldn't consider it a win. So that's kind of why I'm saying it's like a nano win. It's more neutral, but it's fine. Yeah, that's a little thing. It doesn't seem like a win, yeah. I like that the specific praise he gives this is that it makes perfect sense. I'm like, hmm, how much in this movie makes perfect sense? I just, the implication, obviously, we talked about this before, so things not making sense would be bad, right? Send me a send a win, sorry. Jovovich isn't a bad doppelganger for Scarlet. Wow. She sort of looks like a young Mila Jovovich. Kinda, I guess, yeah. This is just my subjective reaction. I couldn't tell who was the young Scarlet. I had to ask when I first watched it for the events of that movie. I wasn't, especially because they gave it what looks like brown haired dyed blue. Like, isn't she supposed to have red hair? Yeah, the easiest way to have done it is to have young Scarlet with black widow red hair. It's like, why blue? Yeah, no, I completely agree with you. It threw me off a little bit at the beginning. She's not like other girls. Yeah. My ability to figure it out was even further off, and I don't know if this is just a thing of me. Like, because I didn't know that the one in the shirt with the yellow sleeves was young black widow, I couldn't tell that that was supposed to be a character. I then couldn't even tell if the young person was a boy or girl. I was like, it was nothing signifying it too easily for me, so I was a little confused at the beginning. Yeah, I mean, it got cleared up as time went on, like, I don't know that I would compliment the casting or the way they represent the character for the ease of the audience. Yeah, I think it was necessarily distracting to have the blue hair. Like, it may seem kind of like just cheating, but a red-haired girl, you're like, okay, I know who it is. You could also do it another way, which if you, I found the first act pretty tedious. It's a weird way to start out what is essentially an action movie. To have like a couple of kids playing in the playground, but I think it would have been interesting to start out with modern Black Widow, and then maybe she looks at, you know, something happens and you look into her eye, and then it cuts to the same exact position with the little girl so we know exactly who it is. You could do blue hair or whatever, but as long as you kind of introduce the character, you know, and then it cuts to that exact framing or something, that's one idea. What they wanted to do from what I could tell was give us this wonderful, classic American suburb and family life, and then it all comes crashing down, and this is what she always wanted back. Yeah, I can see that. She wanted her blue hair back. That's what it was all about. I'm also like, honestly, it might even be something as like, is this her purity, a blue purity, and then she becomes something red and dangerous and dark or something. Blue purity? I don't know, that was a thing. Color association, like you ever noticed that banks quite often have green carpet? Green kind of like represents finance. From money? Yeah. I thought white was purity. White could be purity. Blue is usually like calming something good. Water is blue, for example. You need water to survive. Red is like danger, attention. Portal. But yeah, I don't know, I'm reaching here, but you could see something like that where she seems like kind of free, blue, safe, calm, red, danger, death, blood. I mean, there were people highlighting like, did kids even dye their hair blue? That's like, I mean, there was probably, yeah. It was odd to see. It was really strange to see. Not nearly as common back then. I knew a couple of people with dyed hair, but not so many people with blue hair now. In the 90s, yeah. Yeah, in the 90s. Wow, you look like a clown, like they do today. That way, what? This made me even question if Black Widow was a natural redhead. Yeah, same, that's what I was saying. I thought, there was genuinely, I thought in my head, I was like, oh, are you telling me that she's been dyeing her hair red? Cause she likes to dye her hair in general. And then I was like, no, cause the idea is that the red roots come out when she's not dyeing her hair anymore. And I was like, I'm confused. And in fairness, your hair color can change as you get older, like your natural hair color. Obviously when it goes to gray, but I mean like literally, like my sister went from like a really bright blonde to a really dark blonde, the older she got. And so I don't know, maybe they're saying she went red or as she got older, cause those roots don't look that red, you know? Maybe she was like, well, and she was born with blue hair. Once again, they're talking about Black Widow's hair in this video. They have nothing to say to him to say. Just an hour of the matter of criticism. They just want to hate women by focusing on their physical appearance and making fun of it. It's funny you bring that up because it's a compliment from the video and we're trying to figure out, like what is this, if anything, it's kind of a flaw. What's the compliment other than an observation? Well, I would categorize it more in the floor territory than compliment, but I wouldn't bring it up. Yeah, Mila Jovovich doesn't look like Scarlett Johansson. So I don't know if a mini Mila Jovovich is a good doppelganger for Scarlett. I mean the baby, like, or the young kid looks like a young Mila Jovovich, which I can see. I just don't see, I don't see how that's a win. We can more of saying how is that good to make them look like a young Scarlett Johansson. Yeah, if you're going to make her me like the grown-up Black Widow, she doesn't even, like, if you're good, if your comparison was Mila Jovovich, you failed, if she could be a young Scarlett Johansson. Yeah, she looks Scarlett Johansson. I mean, I'm pretty lenient with stuff like that. I'm like, she's fine, this is the thing. I don't think of anything about this, but if he's gonna- So if I grow up, yeah, it's fine. If he goes as far as saying it's a compliment, I would be like, I mean, it's more of a flaw, but I'd rather just go talk about it. At least it's fine. Yeah, exactly. If you want to raise the issue, then, yeah. Oh, the thing, when a movie actually nails a younger actress to look like their older counterpart. A lot of young actresses get nailed in Hollywood. That's unfortunate, isn't it? But it actually really increased the aversion. The early film that I could think of, and there might be other examples, but that act, when I remember watching it, did it really good? That had a young version of the same character and the child actress they got really similar to the old one. I think it was 10,000 BC, that film. Apparently it is me that Jovish has taught it, by the way. That's what people are saying. Oh, really? Really? It's interesting. Which is interesting, yeah. I'm glad that she's carrying the legacy, the family legacy of being an actress. Someone else said she likely had blue hair IRL and that's why she has it here. It's like, oh. Maybe. I mean, who could color hair for a film? That's what I'm saying. Or a wig, you know, like. Well, for one, she's already a better actress than her mother, but two, I have to push back on that because hair in Hollywood and TV and movies is there's an incredible amount of work and amount of attention on hair. I read a story, yeah, no, literally. They spent hours and hours figuring out Riker's hair for Star Trek Next Generation. In fact, when he was done filming the first season, he came back with a beard. They're like, oh my God, they freaked out. They're like, wait, you can't have a beard? You know, so-and-so, Riker doesn't have a beard. And then everything was like, oh, okay, great. No, actually we like the beard. Let's work with it. Thank God he got a beard. And then they had hair stylists trim it and cut it for tweaking it literally for hours and hours and hours. And eventually, they actually shaved off too much. So they actually appended it with glue and extra hair to fill it out again. That's how much attention they have on hair. And it's a serious deal. So the fact that they just casually made her hair blue, that must have been a deliberate decision because a lot of the people- Well, either that or she came on with blue hair. They were like, we could use that. We're okay with that. Yeah, they're like, ah, it's a kid, whatever. Yeah, but just to, just because Mila Jović has come up with an item of conversation and tied into Rags's point before about the degeneracy in Hollywood. Mila Jović has actually come out and admitted that she was, yeah, bad things happened to her when she was underage. And so, yeah, Hollywood is a cesspit that deserves to be burnt. Oh, that's pretty awful. Yeah, you hear stories like that all the time and that a lot of people just, of the few that spoke up, they lost their careers, right? Like, there's a couple of examples. I watched a documentary on my flight back to Australia on Child Stars, and that's where Mila Jović was getting interviewed and she comes out and says it and is like, and some of us, oh, it is disgusting. Yeah, especially the children. Children are so vulnerable. I was really relieved to hear, because what's his name? The guy who plays Frodo, Elijah Wood. Elijah Wood. He was a child actor, but his mother was like, okay, after set, you come directly home. No parties, no get-togethers, no meet-ups. You come directly home. And so he claims. Very normal, well-adjusted. So it's probably thanks to that. Yeah, thanks to that. But I would be shocked, you'd probably be shocked to find out how many of these kids were abused and then horrible things done to them. But luckily, we have a few that got away from that. Anyway. Mini-m- Isn't a bad doppelganger for Scarlett. Wow, have we come a long way since Michael Douglas rudely uncanny-valid all over our screens? Huh? So I guess they're talking about, I don't know if you looked that bad in Ant-Man. He was right. Yeah, he looked good there. I don't remember that, yeah. And the thing is. Also, he's much older. Yeah. And he was playing a committee who was much younger than he is. It's a lot harder to make him look younger than it is to make Rachel Wise look younger. But no, that's a fair compliment too. The technology to D.A.H. actors is doing great. The one in Captain Marvel of Samuel Jackson kind of surprised me. I was like, whoa, he looks great. Yeah, that's really good. You can tell him. See, that's a positive thing in a really shitty movie. Yeah. Makes you- I'm just curious when he gets to the storytelling ones, like instead of the effects ones, it's like, mm. Rachel Picks is fun too. I like how he says, does Rachel Wise just look the same 21 years later? It's like, there's a lot of actresses that do that. Where you're like, wait a minute. You look exactly the same. Look the same 21 years later? Brave girl, your pain only makes you stronger. Such a 90s lesson that we've mostly realized is nonsense, especially to a six-year-old, but then you realize she's not actually their mother. She's training assassins, so of course she'd say that. No, but- Hang on, there is a vein of truth in that statement. I mean, it's not wholly accurate. What type of pain you carry and how you got it? Yeah, well, I probably go as far as saying pain makes you stronger is a little bit useless on its own. You're gonna need a lot more than that. Yeah. Yeah, because you could just be hurting yourself and that's not good. Overcoming adversity makes you stronger. That's probably a more accurate statement. Yeah, yeah, that's a better statement, yeah. Because that's the statement that she carries you through a whole life, if you guys remember. So I always found that so strange. It really felt like it's got nothing to do with Black Widow. Pain makes you stronger. It's like, that's not really... I don't see that in her storyline. Yeah, it's just because of her job that she might be in pain, but she still has to do her job, you know? It would be like if Iron Man said, pain makes you stronger is like summarizes my life. I'd just be like, not really, but okay, I guess you can pick things that can kind of apply to that. It felt like a generic one to throw on a character that you can kind of say is their journey. Honestly, like a much better message if they wanted to do that would be something like you need to learn how to forgive yourself and redeem yourself and do better, you know, with the whole Jacob's daughter thing. Like that would have something like that. I just pulled out of that in my head, but something like that would be a much stronger resonant message for this movie. And as people are recognizing, it's like, yeah, I guess pain did make it stronger because she kept falling in different places and getting blown up and stuff. She's getting stronger and stronger. Sorry, I don't want to sidetrack things too much, but just on the note before where we were saying that there are some actresses that age 20 years and haven't, you know, they don't look any different. What about those actors that do age like 20 years or more and they look completely different? Like for me, the one that always stands out, have you seen Young William Shatner compared to Old William Shatner? For some reason, when I look at like Young William Shatner, it's like I'm looking at two different people. He looks different, but he looks amazing for his age too. Oh yeah, he looks great for his age. He's older than that, I think he's in his 90s. He is an old man, yeah. He is old and he's still just fucking carrying on. He's gonna Christopher Lee and just go on forever. Christopher Lee's an example of someone who as a kid, I always knew John Cleese and Christopher Lee were people who I knew the younger versions and the older versions as almost separate actors. Like I recognized them differently. Like, oh, there's that guy. It's like, no, that guy and that guy are the same one. And I was like, oh wow, yeah, I guess they are. Cause like I always remember Older Christopher Lee would often have a beard or a goatee or something and then younger one would always be shaved and then like, you know, one color hair and while the other one is like fully white or gray old men roles. And yeah, John Cleese was kind of the same thing where it should be like, they don't, it's not, I don't know what it is for me. I just, there is sometimes like I don't see them quite as the same person until I see enough of the middling years, I guess where they connects them. But when I was a kid, you know, I would literally jump between the man with a golden gun and Lord of the Rings. And I'd be like, I don't think they're the same person. Are they? Like they kind of look different. Yeah, like a younger Lee kind of had what looked a little bit awkward. He looked really, really tall cause he was kind of skinnier and younger or whatever. I had the same issue. I had the same thing when I watched one movie with a younger Anthony Hopkins because Anthony Hopkins has been like, quote unquote old wise man for like 50 years. So when I saw him in, I think it was Elephant Man I think I saw him in is like, oh, he's like young. He's kind of like, kind of, you know, I'm straight because he's got a little like hunky, like kind of like, oh, you know, this guy would probably be like really, really attractive. And he's not a bad looking guy obviously, but but like, I never thought of Anthony Hopkins as like, you know, a lady, a lady's man or whatever, but I could see him actually playing that role. Well, you see. But he just immediately graduated to old wise man for some reason. I watched his career with great interest and thus I saw his gradual turn from 40s to like 60s to older and older until all the color had left his hair. I think when I think of Anthony Hopkins, I think of Mask of Zorro. That's just what I go to when I think of him. Yeah, which is like the last of his sort of roles where he was a bit more, he moved around a lot. And now he's much more, I sit and talk, I stand and talk, which is fine. Cause that's his age. Um, Michael Cain's another one, I think to some degree. And these are only because I think I saw their old person movies and young person movies back to back. And I just be like, man, it's like a fucking going time traveling. Yeah, Sean Connery with like James Bond to rock. Yeah, that was a big one. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. I don't know, I can, I can so identifiable even young and older might be his accent, but it's always so identifiable and Sean Connery. That's what I was saying. It's hard to explain this because I really, I really agree with a Sean Connery. Well, we'll see that was different, but I don't know why I would say that. And I think it's literally just on the surface. They're the complete different look. James Bond's look compared to older Sean Connery, like Liga Restorning Gentlemen or Indiana Jones. For right October. Yeah, like these, he's distinctively got a new look. I think you have to kind of reinvent yourself because eventually all you all you do is you look like a worse version of your your peak. But there's been actors who have successfully reinvented themselves. Like a great example would be somebody like. What's his name? Irish guy have taken the Amnesian like he was like dark man and movies like that in his younger days. And he reinvented himself as like a more experienced, you know, kind of action star with like 50 cuts a second with the take on series. I was just thinking about how Johnny Depp is kind of like the character. He never would have been like any one character because he was playing a bazillion different characters all the time. But he was pretty normal in his like, you know, what's eating Gilbert Grape and stuff like that. He was a pretty, pretty fairly normal actor. But I guess he got into the character, character acting gig. And he is now basically invisible now. He's just playing whatever he wants to. Now he's going to struggle to get jobs because of. Yeah, he's always visible in Hollywood. Yeah, sucks, but there we are. Yeah, new fantastic beasts and new pirate movies will not have him in it. Like, yeah, that's that's a shame. They're different. If you see anybody talking about Jack Sparrow on the Internet, they'll be like, no one can play him again. No one do not allow anyone to try to play Jack Sparrow. It's kind of like King and I with Yule Brenner. He he got so iconic because the character isn't necessarily supposed to be bald, but he played it bald. And so like, nobody can play the King and King and I and not be compared to Yule Brenner. They even made like, I think a Saturday night, Saturday night, live skit mocking that fact where like somebody was playing him as like and he was getting nothing but comparisons to Yule Brenner. So sometimes you just innate and that was not only that, but that was a unique character. The Jack Sparrow was the first time it's been in portrayed in any media other than the tour ride. So, yeah, nobody's going to get nobody's going to play Neanna Jones without being compared to Harrison Ford, etc. As someone just mentioned, counterweaves growing out that John Wick beard is kind of like the line has been crossed between older Keanu stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he shaved it for the new Bill and Ted movie. And honestly, he looks so much older without his beard. So I think he should stick with that. It's a good look for him. He wouldn't shave it for Matrix. Not that he'd have to, you know, Neal, I've been like, you know what? I wouldn't mind a beard. Yeah, yeah, I'm probably it now. Anyway. Called by a little bit. Pretty biology lessons. Oh, would you grab half of that worth the point? Pretty biology lessons, you child. To me, that's type of the ones that is trying to kind of copy cinemasins, but in reverse, where he purposely picks out a nonsensical, irrelevant thing just to give it a tick. Yeah, like in this shot right now, it's like not handling not handling the bowl as safe as she could or something like that. Sin. Where you just be like, what? Because sometimes cinemasins kind of hear in your corner on the cut of pointing out bullcrap can come across funny, especially when he does it obviously ironically. And so it can work. But trying to reverse it without any possible comedic punchline when you know you're purposely being sarcastic, it does not work. So don't give weak, you know, nonsensical wins when there's nothing there. I don't think it works either way personally, because my big problem with cinemasins is that they're like, oh, we're satire and it's like some of our arguments are obviously wrong. It's very hard to tell. It's hard to tell when you got it wrong or when you were trying to be wrong or when you were trying to make a joke because sometimes your joke is a criticism, sometimes your criticism is inaccurate. And it's like, well, this is kind of worthless. Like I don't know what I meant to do with this. I either have to take it all seriously and then criticise the points that are wrong or I don't take any of it seriously at all, which you yourselves have claimed is not the case, that sometimes like you're actually trying to make real points. I don't want to get off in a whole tangent, but did you guys ever identify what that whole firefly thing was? I kind of like backseat script wrote an explanation for it, but it's not at all really brought up in the movie. Like you see it at the beginning and you see at the end. I thought they were going to go for when I first saw it, I thought they're going to go for something like, oh, why are those bugs glowing? It's like, oh, those bioluminescence fireflies make their own light and then kind of like retouch on that later. So it's sort of like kind of a theme or something, you know, like, oh, you make your own light. I don't know. That was just one idea I came up with, but something would be at least explain it right. As I said in the video, it is waiting for a video essayist to just grab something because the movie didn't put any effort into that. But like one line would have made that somewhat thematic. Like, like I just said, you know, fireflies make their own light. You could kind of see something there, you know, maybe, but they don't even mention it again. They just show it at the end. It's like, oh, fireflies, remember that? I'm just like, OK. Alexi ranch dressing, it couldn't be tight suit shadowing. What is that? Huh? Alexi is having ranch dressing, which kind of sets up how he's going to gain weight. Oh, really? He says he said. So this is the thing for you just said it. So he just said, like the tight suit foreshadowing it. So we're all just like, oh, is that a joke? And he's like, yeah, sure, it's a joke. But you're like, is it you gave it a win? Yeah, it's funny because he said it in, like, oh, no way. What in that type of voice? But like it's setting up the idea that he's going to gain weight. Is yeah, you know, like, is that a and that's a win? Or is he making fun of the way? Yeah, it's so weird. That's not a setup just because someone likes range. Fat. Yeah. Well, so again, so if he was like, it's just a joke, guys, I just feel like, all right, then you gave it a win, though. That's why it feels weird. What's the point of the wind counter? It's it's a new film making technique. It's called branch position. Oh, I get it. Who would want? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we skipped. Can't be having that. It couldn't be tight suit shadowing. I don't want to go. I get it. Who would want to leave hover? Gave that a win. It's exactly like like cinema sense. He just adds in jokes and they're completely but that one, at least. But that one was nothing. That was, yeah, I can see why she wouldn't want to leave Harper referencing Stranger Things. You're like, OK, why is that a win? Like, what is that? I just don't like never understand the system. It almost feels like filler because he hasn't got much to say on why this is good. It'd be like reaching for things. Yeah, again, just it illustrates how useless these videos are for the overall, like, goal of film discussion. It'd be like doing any movie with Christian Bale. It's like, oh, yeah, Batman thing. It's like, OK, yes. It's like Batman. He's going to have a real point eventually. It'll come. I mean, he's had a couple of real things. Is he trying to copy cinemas is because I remember cinemas is, you know, thing on Batman Begins and he comes to the scene where Batman comes across the kid in the window saying you, Batman, and it's the same actor that played Joffrey in Game of Thrones, and he gave him a sin for not killing Joffrey when he had the chance. Yeah, I got a chuckle out of that. Funny, you know, because, yeah. And that was obviously sarcastic. It was met a human stuff, referring to things that exist outside the film. Is that what he was trying to kind of do here? It's like, oh, you like this guy? Is it another thing? But again, it's not working. Yeah, it's kind of this signature. They even tell you this, like, I don't know if you ever talked to any YouTube reps, they even tell you to, like, come up with some sort of signature catchphrase or some sort of branding personality thing, literally, like. So his one, I think, is like lap dances or whatever and jokes throughout the video. So, like, you'll just randomly take a scene. This scene does not have a lap dance. Lap dance, ding, you know, hasn't he stopped that because it's so un-PC now, though? I think I would have to say that in ages now. I haven't watched him for years. Yeah, I think so. He stopped specifically because it was too offensive, which is funny. It's too offensive. Yeah, like, it objectifies women. Oh, what a fucking loser. Wow. Maybe you're a loser for not appreciating that lap dances are offensive rags. Now I'm a winner for winning lap dances. Yeah, yeah. But OK, let's just hope we get some real points then because I'm already I'm already bored of joke wins. Yeah. This whole setup from the carefree, peaceful, crane down on shut up to the suburban neighborhood, waving at kids, playing with her sister and then sitting down to dinner is also perfectly crafted to trick us into thinking this is Nat's real family. Perfectly crafted. Nat's real family. I don't know how you would. So here's the thing. I don't know how you would fuck that up. Just show a normal family. Well, I was going to. But I mean, if you know anything about the MCU, so you'd be like, so Nat's Russian. Was she doing it in America? Like, what is this? Or do you know that you already know something's something's not right? Yeah. Yeah. Something's really wrong. I knew something was wrong from the very beginning. It didn't like the mother's quote unquote reaction to the kid being hurt was completely wrong. And everything was kind of off. And also they never explain why Nat never ever has an accent. Whereas everyone else gets a really thick Russian accent, too, which is strange to me, but whatever. Nat trained to not have his I would have thought what he should be complimenting is that this environment makes a lot of sense. This kind of environment would give Nat a strong, I don't know, attachment to family life that she never got to have again or something like that. But like saying this is great at tricking the audience into thinking this is Nat's real family. And I'm like, oh, not even close for me. But no, hmm. But it's a story about family. That's what's so powerful about it. Yeah, Dad says they have only about him and Nat is sad to leave her very real not at all cover for being a Russian spy slash assassin sleeper cell family in life. So it looks real, but you know, it's not real, but it's. So I guess he's just sad to. He's just complimenting the fact that it could have tricked the audience, which I guess it could have if they wouldn't pay more attention. Yeah, OK, also see how comfortable the six year old is with the rifle shells and it starts to crack a little. I think you need to hang around real kids. Well, no, I take that back. But like I like this girl is comfortable giving her father bullets that he dropped. I would say, yeah, kids are going to be more comfortable with bullets than a lot of adults would be because kids will be like, what's this funny metal thing? Yeah, here you go. They might not even. Yeah, they might not legitimately even know what a bullet is, especially if the dad's like, oh, I've dropped something. I'm a kid. I want to help my dad here. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, OK, I'm not too familiar with like, you know, full gun culture being an Australian, but I assume parts in America where gun culture is very common and kids are introduced to the firearms at an early age. Of course, if they're being responsible, the safety aspects and stuff like that, but it might not be strange to them to, you know. Yeah, I like bullet, hold a bullet. It's not unsafe. Also, here you go. At this point in the story, I also isn't not the only one who's gotten training of the two kids. The other girl hasn't been through the red room yet, right? Yeah. So if anything, yeah, that's all in some ways, you could mark that against the film, actually, maybe. I don't know if I would because there's other reasons you could make it so that she's comfortable or I think as a girl, just giving her dad something. Yeah, that's that's kind of the defense we're making is that it's it's kind of just it's the same as if he dropped a screw or a screwdriver or anything just like, this is your thing. We set the bar really low here. But I guess we have. I mean, I mean, to her, it's like, hey, dad, you dropped your clinky cylinders, you know, you dropped your just dropped your cylinders. Here you go. OK. Also, I also, we ignore the sin of he has a gun in the closet, not easily accessible. It isn't already loaded in case he needs it quickly. It's I mean, for spies, that's a bit strange. It's pretty. It's a pretty odd one. I too loved Don McLean back in the day. But how perfect is it that you're not loving this song? Not for what it truly is, a song about Buddy Holly and those two other guys's death, but a happy go lucky piece of America reinforced with flashlight tag, high school football and American flags. What's the win? I don't know. I was just about to ask the same question. What is the win? It filled her. It's about America, America. Yeah, she she doesn't know what's about the death of Buddy Holly and the other guy, but I'm just like, I bet most people don't know that. I would say a lot of people just flat out don't know that. Yeah. So I mean, either. It's pretty bare minimum praises, especially because she's a child. Like, why would she? I don't know. Yeah, it would be strange. And a song can be about a thing, but that's not why it's loved or recognized as iconic for different reasons. I mean, you're given this. You're given you made a 30 minute video on why this movie has good things in it. So clearly, that's the case. It's kind of like that kind of upbeat song, a pumped up kicks where it sounds like, oh, yeah, pumped up kicks, blah, blah. And it's actually about somebody like killing other people. There's a lot of songs like he. Yeah, I mean, he he liked the choice of song, but it sounded like it was more praising the marrying of the song with the visuals passing by to try and show and instill a sense of Americanism to the viewpoint character being Natasha. And that's what he was liking. Maybe if he said it's the same juxtaposition present in their family dynamic, being that on the surface, it can come across as something very normal, very American, but underneath there's something a little bit more, I don't know, complicated and almost anti-American in a sense, at least them. I don't know, it feels like we were missing more there just than saying she thinks the song is chill and American and fun when it's about other things like, OK. Don't give this a plus. Oh, just thuds, no bounce. It did. Yeah, that's that it did kind of bounce. But also is that was the plus that physics. I guess. Just on this part in the film, you know, establishing that are more super humans at this point. And OK, magic, powers, everything you can have super humans, but super soldiers with how insanely difficult they showed it was to make Steve Rogers to begin with and how pretty done, you know, established they had then made afterwards that how rare he was and and things. So how many super soldiers now existed before Steve Rogers from the ice more and more damage to the world building every time. And yeah, this is getting a plus because it didn't bounce more than it thudded. All right. And I'm not even sure I'm not even sure if that's realistic. A lot of things bounce that you wouldn't necessarily think of. Like, I unfortunately know that bodies bounce if they fall. That thing is super heavy. I'm guessing would I'm I'm fine with believing that how it falls is how it would fall. But I don't I don't know why we're complimenting it. Like you are this cut is this reeks of desperation. Yep. Yeah, this is a minor. Since she controlled by Hydra at this time, you can make good guys, bad guys and bad guys, good guys, wherever you want. Just think about doing a ninety five and you all hate when I call him a villa. Nineteen ninety one. Great guy. Bucky's a great guy. Love, Bucky. What was the point? What is this? So to recount, he's like, it's kind of cool that shield here can be the bad guys. When if you look at the context, they're stealing state secrets. So not even the bad guys necessarily here. But he's like, yeah, but ignoring that is like the shield can be bad guys because they were controlled by Hydra, like, OK, much like the winter soldier, despite being Bucky, was still doing bad things in ninety five, as if he wasn't introduced as a bad guy in Winter Soldier, which he was. Then he's like, oh, but you guys get annoyed when I call Bucky a villain. It's like you should be calling Winter Soldier a villain, probably, just to make sure people understand, I guess. I don't know because Bucky bonds into whatever. That we're trying to recover from all those thoughts and that dig wind. You're like, wait, what was it was the wind? I have no idea where he pulled that out of. I guess it's the fact that shield can do things that come across as evil because they're Hydra. That's a win. I mean, this may be a noise me about. Sorry, I just want to noise me about the whole shield hydra thing. Is that in, you know, Winter Soldier is established that there were a lot of agents of shield sorry, agents of Hydra that had infiltrated shield, but it wasn't 100 percent. There was a lot of, you know, genuinely good shield American agents trying to do the right thing. And what was implied by that, the further you go back, the less infiltration that Hydra had in the shield. That's what the implication I got. And so to say that every appearance of shield in history is going to be a Hydra plot, just like that's not what I got. It seems like shield was still trying to do good shield things for the most part with only some subversions of Hydra along the way. I mean, Winter Soldier said that Arnhem, like, infected from the moment, like, well, what to end it, right? And he was like high ranking. And so well, the thing is them showing one mission of trying to get information from spies that are leaving America. Again, that doesn't even have to be a Hydra mission. That can be a shield mission. Well, exactly. And the fact that, you know, Nick Fury has had such an active role in shield throughout the past and stuff, and he wasn't corrupted. Well, to be fair, Shad, that wasn't planned. And it wasn't planned even when for the people making the MCU, they didn't plan to make shield Hydra. It was the Russo's that said, hey, wouldn't it be neat if shield was Hydra? It's true. And it's it Winter Soldier itself causes issues. But like it's been hard for writers going forward to just make sure everything is calibrated, but they don't give a fuck. Yeah, that was that was a retcon. I mean, I thought that was an interesting retcon. But yeah, you can get where you can't you can't judge everything before and after by the fact that at that point, because because Hydra hadn't really, I guess, surfaced until Winter Soldier for the most part. Like maybe they've been sabotaging things along the way. But they all shield is also responsible for getting the vendors together and saving the world. So like clearly, clearly, they clearly been effective up to that point. Yeah, I mean, the Arnim Zola AI was a part of shield from the beginning, it seems like. But so was Peggy Carter, and she was always a good, good person. And so it's hard to believe that Hydra stayed secret for this long with people like Fury and Carter involved at the top. Yeah, but they did. As did the Wakandans, as did the Shang-Chi people, 10 rings, whatever, as is Kang. God, it's all terrible. That's fine, let's move on. I mean, you know, it makes me stronger. Parenting fail burn. Get. Me, that's a criticism. That would be a sin, not a win. Like parenting fail, Bane. I do. All right. I just don't know how it's a weird. That's fine. It's fine. Please. No more. Is it? Is it fine, though? Well, so I don't know what to make of it, really. Like, what do you what do you guys think that she says? But mom, hey, make strong a wedge. She's been shocked. It's like, I guess it's kind of sad. I don't know that the kid is watching you and mum bleed out and has been told previously that it's OK because pain makes you stronger, but it's clearly fucking not true right now. No, that's why it seems like it would have been a sin, a flaw that it's, you know, pointing out a contradiction in the message. They're trying to three here. I mean, so funnily enough, I would I would defend the film if I had only seen up to this point and been like, well, isn't that kind of what they're going for? The mum has a lot to learn about that particular piece of advice that maybe there's more to it and maybe the sort of the kids. But later on in the film, we find out that's all that drove Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow through her life, apparently. So like, I guess it holds true to some degree. I don't know. Like, again, shitty movies have a really like inept ability to give you some kind of through line. This this feels like I was more commenting on the whole like this feels like reverse nitpicking. Neat picking you force a good point where it doesn't necessarily fit. Yeah, like everyone, I think, has been saying so. Yeah, I kind of got that. I kind of got the idea that it was very self whatever that point was before it was very self referential. And I get the idea that he's either had comments or previous videos. And so we're probably missing some context or something. Maybe. Technically, a lifetime of imprisonment isn't under coverwork. So the real lesson here, kids, is be specific with your wants and needs. That's a cinema win again. That's trying to. Yeah, that's him trying to do something snarky and funny. That's not really win, but is putting it as a win to be funny, to copy cinema sins. Are we going to a little too many jokes? We need some, you know, wins. I'm good. Yeah. It's like, lol, he said he doesn't want to do undercover work anymore. So we ended up in prison. And it's not technically undercover. So, yeah. You know what this is? You know what? This is exact same problem with cinema wins and cinema sins. They're mixing criticism with rift tracks. They're trying to be funny. They're trying to do like a stand up routine with the movie. And I guess that's fine, but it just really muddles the whole thing. Like, I think so, yeah. Why don't make jokes about the actual good things? Yeah, yeah, because that would require more talent and cleverness. Gosh, Don, gosh, and dedication to the craft. And this is easier to just say, oh, he's eating rich dressing. Like, all right. That is that's not even observational comedy. That's just your eyes work. Check, check, you know, mm hmm. I check, I check. Spoiler, they didn't not touch her. And she did. Just took a while. I'm very confused. What I mean, those aren't even soldiers that Natalie that not not necessarily killed, right? Well, so he's saying that up in the red room. Eventually, she did get them all. So yeah, so he's saying they do eventually touch it. She does kill them all. It just took a while. We have no idea if these people are the same people. Yeah, that's yeah. It would be weird if they were. It would be weird if they were. Yeah. They probably they're probably like retired with a pension or something. Don't remind me how much this movie offers in terms of employee benefits. But don't remind me how much this movie does not give a fuck about all of the male soldiers in the army. They only care about the female ones. And also just like the is he doing a spoiler alert for something that's going to happen in 10 seconds? Is there about to take her? I don't know. Seems kind of silly to me. He just means that she kills them in the finale. And it's like, but they don't even know if he's the same people. So I just fucking got no clue here. Also, it came off a little creepy when he says spoiler. They do touch her. He's like, what are you trying to imply there? They touch her with their hands. Because well, he wants to make a joke and make contact with her of the yeah, because he's trying to use the words that she used because that's I know. I know. Yeah, like they sedate her and they catch her. It's all creepy. No, I think that's crazy. Might be just you. Might be saying it's possible. Maybe I don't get that wouldn't. I don't know. I guess my mind didn't go there. Not. He did kill them all. Just took a while. What was your name? You know, it's her. They still make it land like it's a huge reveal with you. What? Why? That's a win. Why is that a win? Yeah, I because it's a reveal, apparently. But I don't know. I certainly had gotten it at this point. It lands like it's a huge reveal. But why is that a win? Like, why is this like? Because it's because you know it from the MCU. In fact, it's a little overbearing. It reminds me of when it reminds me of this one critique YMS had for the Lion King remake where it's like right after a scene with Mufasa, we'd already seen him. And right after that scene, we see a scene of Scar and Zazu. And then Mufasa walks in and they have like triumphant music as if this was the the reveal of Mufasa. And I remember that. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, why is this? Yeah, why is this fanfare? We just saw him literally 30 seconds ago. Just odd. The return of the king. Exaggerated sound design and slow motion. Yeah, that was it. All right. Free will and the ability to give birth are apparently defects. Yike. He begs. What? No, no, he's bad because he's going to kill children. You fucking dipshit. It's not about his potential philosophic stance on what? No, he's bad in this scene because he's going to murder a bunch of children. Also rags, why is this a win? Because he's bad. It's a win. Like what? He's a win. What the fuck? That guy is established as being bad. The bare minimum you expect out of the end. He was already bad, though. That's the thing. Like, like he's already all this shit is horrible. That is that he also says, like, kill the defects. He's like, wow, this guy's bad. It's like, wait, where were you this whole time? It's because they weren't good for the program or defective, essentially, like defective products. It's not because they're women and because they can give birth. Well, the fuck is this? Also, it's a tiny little completely insubstantial point, but I've never in my entire life heard somebody said, yike. It's always yike. Yike, yikers, like the Japanese word, Yike. That's the. Yike. This is more of a detail. What? Free will and the ability to give birth are apparently deep. I'm confused. Sorry, that's. I got an idea in your eyes. The ability I put rags, did you put this up before? Rags, I must correct you also. That's yamete, not yike. Yike. No, yike is go, right? Yike. That's his name. He's the protagonist. He has a very big sword. His armor doesn't make sense. There's no way he could actually get it on. He's he's an anime protagonist. He's the best, by the way. He's really, he really is the best. See, I don't know. We heard of Rags is doing this with such proficiency. It sounds like his practice to the. Yeah, I know. I'm just that proficient. That's a testament to my proficiency. This is we were talking earlier about the Dunning Kruger effect. I've made fun of anime so much that I'm on the right side of the graph where I'm an expert at it and I know it. What? Your microphone. What's your opinion of? Yike, Rags, Yike. What's what is your opinion of Rooney Kenshin? I haven't seen Rooney Kenshin. It's so good. He should watch it. You watch like an artistic like level anime that is just beautiful. Need to watch the prequel over his trust and betrayal. It's absolutely awesome. All right. OK. We should do an effect movies on Samurai X trust and betrayal. It's frigging awesome, man. Oh, God, it's it's really just a shame that we're just all booked and we have so much to watch already. Oh, man, what a what a shame. Oh, if only that could have happened. But there's just, I guess we, you know, I oh, we're just so busy. Oh, man. Oh, no, Rags, it's almost like you sound sorry that you can't watch this anime. Thank you. Yeah, he's good. Yeah. So he says remove the defects and funnily enough, I don't even from having seen the film too many times. I'm not even 100 percent sure what he's referring to when he says defects. I think they just weren't a fit for the program. Well, so that's kind of what I'm saying is the I think it's supposed to be unclear exactly what he means specifically. But then he says free will and the ability to give birth are apparently defects. But they're all women, the ones who got accepted. Well, so if he's referring to the sterilization process, that happens way later, like when they are graduating or whatever. So like, why did he show that clip and then say this here like that? And also, he's bad. So of course, he'd have a bad opinion. The most free will of them all in this scene is Natasha. She's making a ruckus. She gets caught. Remember, and then he's like, oh, you must like, like so. I don't know why he said this here. And I don't know why it's a win that the bad guy is bad. It's very strange. I mean, it was in the bar low or consistent in that regard. At least. Fex. Yeah, you bad guy. It was at this point that I realized somehow I'd missed Olga Karilenko and all the trailers. And I wonder, oh, she's Taskmaster. So don't build your actors like this unless you want me and like eight other people to figure out. It was everybody pretty much. I will say I doubt everybody figured out it was Olga. I don't even know how people knew her as an actress. But I didn't know it was going to be a woman. Everybody was talking about how Taskmaster. I didn't. Really? I saw the body of a man. So that's what threw me off. Yeah, I could see how people. I was like, after the reveal, I could see why everyone would think that my my brain was just like, oh, that's just clearly a man because if I could I have eyes. So I wouldn't do that. But I mean, I looked up. Oh, yeah. The main stunt person for Olga was a man. So they got the most of the fight. Of course. Most of the scenes with Taskmaster is they didn't have to do that. They could have had a stunt woman. They could have had a stunt woman. They could have had a almost a female stuntman. But what I'm going to say, when I say, of course, it's it's like you look at Taskmaster, it's like that's a guy. Like that's definitely a guy. Look at how well, and look at especially bizarre because Olga is just she's like a third of the stuntman's size. Yeah, well, yeah. Well, I mean, that's the scene where she takes a head off. It looks like they CGI'd like her head onto the body. Yeah, there was there was something. It was either the head or the body is this film looks very fake. Yeah. And yeah, I wasn't keeping track of the actors at all. So I had no meta knowledge or anything. And when I saw Taskmaster, I was just like, oh, yeah, it's a dude. Just look. Yeah. I mean, but a lot of people are aware of the the coming reveal. Of course, Tony Masters is a guy. Yeah. But again, there's no reason why you couldn't just be Tony Masters with an eye instead of a why and then just have Taskmaster be a woman throughout like just a woman. We're done. Yeah, Masters or give them a good fucking character. We got nothing, though. Yeah. Well, nothing to care. There are nothing to care. Well, is it? Yeah, this should be a lot. Yeah. Well, let's see if he's going to ding it. Oh, yeah. Do you think it's like a flaw? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, let's I guess we'll see. But is he going to do it? Oh, he thinks it's a win as it's a win. That should last so. So the win is just that Olga Kurilenko plays Taskmaster then. Is that the win or is the win him figuring out that? Well, I guess the thing is, the concluding statement is don't do this. Ding. Don't do this win. What? Oh, what? Sometimes we get. I wonder if he forgets when he's writing a script that he just he makes a comment and then dings and he doesn't even know it's just it's just become second nature or just dings it after everything he says. I think he really needs like a sign above his his computer screen that says this is a win just to remind himself what he's doing. Is like that that that was just him congratulating himself for figuring out has to be correct to be a win or something good. Like wins are like just the definition of win. Yeah, it's strange to say the word win at this point. I don't know what it means anymore. Just like his entire rule set just like stuck to his monitor. Just like, all right, OK, he gets away with all of this, despite like the inception of the channel and the appreciation this channel gets is in opposition to Cinema Sin. They're like, oh, this is way better because Cinema Sin is like toxic. This is like celebratory, but I'm just like, they're exactly the same. There is no fucking difference. It's the same except one's positive and one's negative. It's the same except he calls one a win, whereas the other one calls the same thing a sin. I was going to say, that's why I don't really see any difference at all. They're both terrible. It is. Yeah. Oh, don't bill your actors like this unless you want me and like eight other people to figure out your twist before it's even set up. Oh, by saying that eight other people figured it out, that implies that very, very few people figured it out right because that's nine people, which, of course, that's not even the case. A lot of people figured it out. Yeah. So that's where the bow tie logo comes from. There's nothing to do with spiders at all. Why is it a win? Why is that a win? Why did you give it a win? Also, it's not a bow tie logo. It's a black widow logo. They didn't see like, oh, yeah, we're going to give it a bow tie. The logo is a bow tie. It's not the hourglass on the back of a black widow for the front. Yeah, that's actually pretty insane. That's one of the most explicit. He is like, I do not understand the iconography for black widow win. What are not I wise, father? Don't credit this over top young girls being sterilized and turned into assassins kind of makes you want to say really Troy, really Lainey was selling out and getting corporate jobs really the worst thing you could imagine. What was the joke? The joke is, hey, you know how you sold out it could be worse. You could be kidnapped from your family. Why is that? I don't know. That might be good for some people. Maybe I really should have families. It just was like a really weird non sequitur. Like, what is this? Why is this a win? It's a joke. It's a joke and it's a win. I made a joke, guys. And it's his joke. He made a joke and gave the film a win for his joke, his joke, which wasn't even funny. We got it. I've just read the next one. We got to hear this first before I can respond. You know, he's a bad guy. If he's with Clinton, political wins. Come for the obscure references. Stay for the biting political commentary. So he's that wasn't that was a relevant president at the time. That's why he's with Clinton, not because they're saying Clinton specifically is an evil president. Yeah, what does he think if I wanted to say that? Yeah, to clarify, when was when was Clinton's presidency? Ninety-two to ninety. And this is set at ninety-five. So that's why that's why he's that's why he met him. The idea is not because all the exactly he's in power. It's not because they're saying every person who meets with him is evil. That's not the point. Wouldn't it be weird that he meets with a president and gets his face and everything out there? That seems odd. Yeah, it seems kind of kind of intuitive, but didn't want to be Marvel movies reference Obama once. And so Obama's canon. Well, how? How can he be canon if the president they rescued in twenty? I guess he was a one-term president. Yes, yeah, that's how it is. Yeah, and the MCU Obama was a one-term president, which is one more terms than he should have had. But, you know, biting political commentary, well, that's not what she come for. But Wilson and the other guy, the incredible shrinking convict, put some respect on Scott Lang's name. Why is that a win? Oh, my God, I guess. So the same words at this point. So see what I would have done if I was trying to draw a win out of that statement from Ross is I think it's pretty consistent with Ross's character that he doesn't take a lot of these things seriously. He considers them threats in terms of he considers them things that he has to solve problems, right? But Scott Lang is not taken seriously by like everybody. And that's something that he has trouble with. He's like falling asleep when he's introduced in Civil War. And then, of course, like Tony is like, I don't even know who you are. And he's just like, fuck's sake. The idea that he's like the incredible shrinking convict is like, yeah, because they captured him. He probably doesn't take him seriously as much as he does the others. It makes sense that he might refer to him that way instead of Scott Lang. That's the best I got. And I would say that most law enforcement types would wouldn't really take somebody's assumed identity very seriously. They're like, OK, Mr. Anderson, lower your weapon, you're coming with us. Like they're not going to go by, oh, you know, Billy the kid or whatever, they're going to go by their real name or Mr. Kid name, whatever, something like that. Like they wouldn't it granting them a special identity is kind of almost granting them power. So I don't think they would necessarily do that or being inclined to do that. So I'm a Ben Poonslayer. At this point, I'm really confused and also disappointed at the execution of Cinema Wins' very concept. He's supposed to be even pointing out wins. And I thought that would be stretches like it'd be really pushing to try and complement the film, but it's not. He's actually even pointed out flaws and Canada's wins. And it's like a contradicting concept for your channel. What's going on? I mean, you see, here's the thing, Chad. That's really easy. So confused. So really, this is just like cinema things. Here's the thing. Here's another thing. Yeah, cinema things, yeah. Cinema things, cinema stuff. And it dings the thing. Count the thing counter. That was a thing. That was something. Look, Natasha's nose. Ding. And it's not a thing. Instead of ding, it says thing. But like high pitch. You got to commit to the encounter. Aesthetic, the thing. Yeah, thing. You know, somebody said in chat, send my things. There you go. That's even better. Cinema things, not cinema dings. The ding is the sound it makes. Cinema things. That's his whole thing as he points out things. It's great. Like I had a I had a very low expectation of the concept of what he was going to do here. And he is even full and short of that. Just I'm sorry. Yeah, he could be he could be doing better than this. But yeah, the poor guy is desperate. Got no friends. Where are you going to go? I've lived a lot of lives before I met you, Ross. Ooh, breakup burn. Oh, my God. I lived a lot of lives before I met you. That's not a burn. Ross has lived a lot of lives before he met her. He's done a lot of stuff. Yeah, that's not a burn. You have a pretty low bar for old things in general, but also burns. Yeah, he's had a few. Not the first burn he's mentioned. He thinks looking at a stove is a burn. Touch the stove. No, I got a cinema thing. Cinema thing. It's they're punching. It's a thing. It's a thing. Oh, it's just a cinema thing. I'm going to praise this. He's going to praise this. He's totally going to praise this. And before he does, remember how much he doesn't use a fucking gun to this whole scene. That's that's a fun part to it. Is he going to call it an Arya Stark move or something? I think he's just going to say the choreography is good. Apparently, the widows don't mess around. Crazy way to make. Yeah. Do you know this only now? The widows don't mess around. The world class is trained for fucking almost a bit to kill. They don't have a job of it. Attacking someone with a knife when you had a gun the whole time almost is like the sounds like messing around. Yeah, the most direct thing you could do to your opponents. Also, how much does she struggle with this person who just got hit by a car when you're armed and ready to kill? It's just like, OK, it could have been a lot, a lot easier if you just shot her. She was already stunned and injured. Make us immediately. This is Yelena and sympathizing with her. And at the same time, showing how powerful the mind control is. Widows are brutal. I mean, no. Sorry, what's the first part of that? Crazy way to make us immediately feel funny about knowing this is Yelena and sympathizing with her at the same time, showing how powerful the mind control is. Well, that's like two things. That's the same thing. Yeah, well, I feel like those two can't coexist. So if we're supposed to be like, it is Yelena, but she's kind of cruel, but also she was completely mind control. You're like, wait, you wouldn't feel funny then. You just be like, yeah, she was mind controlled and now she's free. Yeah, I think I would be just sympathizing with her, not feel funny. Yeah, I think that's what the point of the scene is, especially when she like, you know, leans over the body and she's almost crying because she's had to kill a friend of his. Like, I don't think there's I don't think that's supposed to be a mixture of feelings. I think we're supposed to be like she was evil or controlled and then non-controlled. No, what what what's he mean by feel funny because Yelena was like beating the crap out of the other lady? Was that why you said it felt funny? I got nothing. Also, it's kind of a misopportunity that we see her under my control for what, maybe 30 seconds or less. And it doesn't really affect her going forward at all. Not at all. We get none of the gravity of her being under my control for her entire life. You know, you get a line here and there, you know, in like, I'm sad. It has been known to be referenced. Yeah, it's like, I've never I've never picked out Closie for sad. But OK. A lot of people would be like, thank God, you've never had to pick out Closie before. I see maybe the compliment I would give is just like the how fast she goes from being what seems to be like a ruthless killer to this caring soul shows the power of the mind control. I don't know about this whole feeling funny thing. Yeah, she would at least be incredibly sheltered, naive and or just completely neurotic borderline, you know, autistic because she wouldn't know how to interact with people. Yeah, her whole life has been training to kill people. Yeah, it was a brutal. By you, I thought we'd move past the mid 90s. What? What? Because she said Roxanne. Oh, things. The reference. That's what people would send cinema sins for was he would just say reference and then dang, and he does the same thing. But it's not even a reference because her name is I think Oksana. Oksana, not Roxanne, right? Oh, Roxana, I fucking whatever. It doesn't matter if you're referencing the sting song. It's Roxanne, isn't it? Well, there's some commitment as well. What are the choices you have? Also, that's insanely dangerous to stab yourself in the thigh where all those big juicy blood vessels. She also drags the knife down. It's like, oh, you're doing some cutting there. And again, it can't get over how the fact that she knows where it is. She would never know. And also, I don't know. It's just so I'm reading ahead as the copies of their fighting style mutant rewatching the airport fight from Civil War makes sense. So making sense is good. Just to again, confirm that we've. Oh, are you do you just like it when things make sense? Well, in fairness, it could be a joke. He's like, I understand why he's watching this one or she's watching this one because it's an awesome fight. Well, he's saying also he's got the little semicolon. So they're actually two separate statements. Oh, so he is saying so. He is saying that if it makes sense, that's something. Why wouldn't you watch him say it? Because why wouldn't you just watch all fights? So why would it make sense? Why does it make any more sense to watch the Civil War? It's funny, right? Because what you're saying is if something makes sense, it's good. But why does it make it? Only makes sense in its footage to watch, like, not specifically that it's the fight from Civil War, unless it's the most recent one. And so you've got the that's a more specific compliment, but he didn't do it. Say that he didn't say that. Yeah, that was swooning the legwork on his book. I don't know. I don't know if it was the first the first time I went over this movie, but that's one little pet peeve when people watch the movie. It's like, oh, this footage just was we're watching the the previous movie. It's like, was there a camera there? Was there surveillance footage? Well, this is probably I guess this looks like B-roll footage, though. Let's well, so I'll agree with that. The positioning of the camera doesn't look like it's on a building. It looks like it's floating above them. Super high quality for an airport security camera as well. It's like HD 4K image. Look at that resolution. That framerate. Yeah, framerate is a big thing to dial mute. And yeah, I know she's not a mutant in this area. We're watching the airport fight. Why does it make sense? Also, it was an awesome fight, so we definitely can't blame her. Also, her mask is dope and intimidating. No, it's stupid and dumb. Dope and intimidating. It's it it it reeks of try hard call of duty battle pass. Urban skeletal. It looks like skater skeletal or something. We just why? Fuck you, he man. I'm doing an ollie. Yeah, here we go. I'm meeting Tony Hawk, he man. Just on the topic. I don't think they could have adapted Taskmaster because he was basically a skull with a hood in the comics. You could have done a billion different things. You have so much free rein. You have so many. I want to hear examples. Give me examples. Well, like you want me to visually describe what it should look like. Yes, impress me. I can find I can try Google images, some skull skull masks that look better. Let me just go skull. Unfortunately, when you Google Taskmaster, instead of the actual comic one, most of the ones that come up now are the Taskmaster. Well, just Google Taskmaster. Just Taskmaster comic. Yeah, you got Taskmaster here from Spider-Man could have done that. Oh, he's like an actual skeleton, boy. Yeah, it's not. Yeah, he's got like an actual skull face. Kind of like Ray Skull in a way. What's the comic reason for that? Is he just a skull person? No, I don't like him, I guess. I don't know. I mean, there's probably tons of ancient and medieval style helmets that are decorative that resemble the shape of a skull that look way better than the crap in Black Widow. Yeah, I'm just asking, is he an actual skull? Like, is that his head or is it a mask? No, he's a guy. He is. Well, in that case, yeah, it'll be easy to do that, I would say. Just get a skeleton helmet like with the hood, putting a lot of shade on it, like it'll look it'll probably look pretty good, I'd imagine. Eventually. I think it's just weird when you think about how if this isn't this organization, why did what's with the spooky skull helmet? Like, if this is your organization. Yeah, like, why? How come they pick of green light green lit that thing? It seems for the same reason you grant all the other fucking costumes. They're all shit. The playstation for Spider-Man version of Taskmaster isn't half bad. Yeah, you can use that. You got options here. Oh, yeah, the PS4 Taskmaster looks way better than what we got in Black Widow. It makes it kind of like a gas mask a little bit like that. Yeah. It's it's not covert at all. It's a fucking absurd outfit. And it makes it so obvious, like, you know, in Budapest, when they're running around and stuff, it's like all the cameras are caught. This guy with a skull suit mask thing, like. It's not it's not at all undercover. But this goes the same for the Black Widows. Also, the big visor is it's not intimidating either, especially with you if you've got the because if it's trying to be a skull, then generally skulls have the two circles in black for the, you know, the hollowed out aspects of the skull, not this big like bicycle or it looks like a ski visor, which is really not intimidating at all. It's like an edgy edgy snowboarder mask or something like that. That's what I kind of I think of extreme sports. When I look at him, I'm like, look at you. Yeah, BMX. Yeah, you know, we've been terrifying. They wouldn't have gone this route. You know, it would have been terrifying. I don't know the backstory of Taskmaster at all. So I don't know what what he is. What it was like supernatural or whatever. But if they I mean, Natasha's sort of camouflage mask, which you can pretend to be other people. That was must have been developed by Dracov's people, right? How terrifying would that be to have an assassin who can mimic anybody's fighting style, who could also cover up their face and become anybody. So literally anybody in the world could be Taskmaster, at least anybody with that build. There's so many fucking fight scene opportunities they would have had. I'm just picturing like on the bridge, Blackwood is like dominating by pushing him all the way back one area. And then as he learns more, it like stops in position. And then he starts pushing her back. Is like he's just able to counter everything. And how much you lose a sense of morale if every single throw like punch you throw is just counted and blocking you get hit like over and over again. There's the is the Thanos Hulk fight. They did it. They did it in that. It was really quick. And they didn't do it like once for Taskmaster in Taskmaster's movie. Yeah. And you know, retreading old ground. But I love the idea of like you seeing that UI is like switch, you know, Hawkeye mode switch, you know, whole Iron Mad mode switch, you know, like that would be so interesting and that's that's the weakness that they can defeat. Yeah. Oh, well, something about always nail the theme home by sticking to the familial relationship. But they're not allowed to be in the movie. Sorry, familial slash relationship terminology. So just mentioning your brother, sister, mother, daughter, whatever, just doing that. You're on the theme like, OK, doesn't even it doesn't even matter how it's said or where it says as long as you say it. OK, which they're pretty common as words go, but it's fine. No, it's it's been a passion to test this conversation makes me think that she and Clint had already had this argument before they talked about it in Avengers, and she lets this thing makes me think of a thing. You will not remember. She didn't care to correct him in the middle of battle. That might also be another reason. I mean, what do you make of that? You're just like, OK, fine. All right. Yeah, like that's what a lot of these are just OK, I guess. Man, this is the best boxed-eye job I've ever seen. Oh, I mean, I feel like dying her hair is a skill that she'd pick up. Well, I thought I thought the joke here was it's clearly a wig. It's not the dye that's done that, but then he gives it a win. It's like, oh, OK, well, that's the thing. Things can be losses, but also wins in cinema's world. Like he's literally kind of doing cinema sins now. He doesn't even know what he's doing. Yeah, like the equivalent in cinema since wins sins video would have been like that is a wig. Like it's not, you know, and then ding for sin. Instead, he's turned that into a win here. And again, I don't see the fucking difference between these two creators, really, anymore. How do you put my bed? But I just got my dad. Some obvious nods to Moonraker in here. Jaws and Taskmaster with them watching the film. Jaws and Taskmaster, what exactly is how do you connect Jaws and Taskmaster that much? I don't know. Jaws is holding the same number of lines. He says, what? You have the same number of lines to base up in the sky or well, space and also even he's struggling. That's a stretch. But sorry, on a meta kind of thing, I've always wondered how people would contextualize movies like James Bond in this universe where such crazy, ridiculous stuff is actually real. It's like James Bond would just be the same way. War movies. Yeah, I'd be like a little more historical fiction then. People in chat saying like, well, I guess they're both muscle. It's like, but why is that? Like, oh, yeah, you know what? A lot of villains have muscle. That's true. So that's why we see like he's trying to connect Moonraker to this film because it's referenced as her watching it. What is like? Well, you know, Taskmaster and Jaws are both goons. Oh, OK. I mean, in the original, the original first Hitman movie, they have a snapshot of somebody playing the Hitman game. Is that a win? I don't know. It's a reference. Yes, that's that's that's more of a win than this to me. That's a mega win. I wonder if he's going to be like, there are also guns in Moonraker. There are guns in this. You know, spies. Well, yeah, spies. Spies. I love spies. The same. The base up high in the sky, a little space, then also space. You know what? Lazy, too. You didn't get any footage from Moonraker. Lazy, lazy, lazy. Yeah, that's work. But really, I just love that Nat watches spy movies for fun. And based on knowing the lines, she watches them a lot. OK, all right. Stop doing that. You're just saying what happened. All right. You know, he likes it and it's worth a win. But for Natalia to watch James Bond, is this like, you know, professional critique instead of like, yeah, I would have done it differently, Bond. It's such an amateur. You'd expect them to do that. You'd try and have some fun with it. But at the same time. No, we'd expect them to die. Yeah, I would like it if we saw her just, I don't know, if this was built on some analysis, maybe she'd referenced it before in some of the films. And then we see that what would she be doing if she's trying to stay undercover and she's sitting in this thing all alone. It's like, maybe she would watch some Bond movies. That's fine. I think it's surface level. I think it's that she's kind of like a spy. John James Bond spy movie. She's watching James Bond. Oh, look, she's reciting the lines. She must have watched this a few times because she likes spy movies because she's a spy. I'm sitting there like, I'm not sure spy spies would just like spy movies. I imagine that that you could get the opposite result. Right. I mean, what you think we love Mario. Was I sorry? They'd have comments about it more. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like they'd be critical. I've been saying that's how a pipe works. Yeah, I can't give a one to one example because I'm not a medieval person, but a medieval enthusiast. I tend to dislike most medieval period films. Does it have doctors or nurses? Are you a you're a medieval advocate? Yes, I am. I'm a lot of doctors, nurses, firemen, police, like when they watch different things about those things, procedural detectives, watching detective shows, they can get, you know what? Regular people can get fucking pissed off watching detective shows. Isn't that right, Fringy? Yeah, that's absolutely true. And so I just picture that when they're experts, they're going to get even more pissed off or whatever. They could also just be like, yeah, I mean, I like all films. So I just think it's lame. It's like she would like spy movies because she's a spy. You're like, wow, you really thought about that for five seconds, didn't you? There's there's even a genre on YouTube where you got doctors commenting on like House and other medical shows, right? Oh, yeah, to clarify, there's a lot of stuff that these people end up saying is like really good, like really fucking accurate and stuff. But yeah, this could be literally, literally. Oh, Rebecca, you know, what her name is Natasha. She's a spy. Let's have her watch Jim Spond and the conversation. Yep. And man, that's that's about it, too. That's we're right before the film goes insane. So before we continue and detective shows kind of came up and it seems like Fringy, you don't like detective shows. No, no, no, no, no, no, that wasn't that wasn't the point that was raised. It's that you don't need to be a fan of any particular. You don't even need you don't need expertise in any specific field to have more or less of an interest in any thing really, particularly in terms of media. Like just because we're on detective type shows, I just want to say I love the mentalist. I haven't seen that. I've not seen that. I write up until the red John Ark is completed. It's brilliant. It gets a bit off the rails after that. But oh, yeah, Patrick Jane, one of the most charming characters and really enjoyable stuff. Very well. But yeah, let's let's see what he's going to say about. I'm actually looking forward now to the parts where this film goes and say because he's going to have to contrive positives from it. Even though we've been essentially trained to expect jump scares and explosions out of nowhere, this one got me. Obviously, jump, jump scare, jump scare. That's why that's a jump scare. Oh, OK, well, fucking baby, but all right. I mean, that's not I don't criticize anybody for getting jumpscared by stuff like that. Yeah, that makes sense to me. I'm just saying it's lame to compliment it for all the line, Mahler. Fuck that. Jump scares. I hate them because of that, Rex. When they go, it's like, yeah, you made me jump. Good job. Oh, that I'd be like, yeah, but this. This one, I can't remember how I initially reacted to this other than just being fucking confused. Other than other than like, oh, so she's dead. Fuck fear flashes. Yeah. But amazing that he's going to try and get through this scene. And like, we've gone through a decent chunk of it by simply saying the jumpscare worked on me like, OK. Walk alike. You know, Gregory Lenko walk and taking all the femininity out of her walk makes sense, both as a way to get all the femininity out of her walk. That's definitely what they did. No, no, no, absolutely what they did. They took out the femininity of her walk. I think the theory makes way more sense that they didn't actually plan to make her a girl at this point of filming because this would have been done so long ago and that there's just little bits and bobs around that imply that they might have gone with Tony Masters before bringing Kate Shortland on. There's pieces of information that can match the narrative. I just find it funny that it's a guy. He walks like a guy. They didn't take the fabric and walk away from Olga, why would you even try to take it away? Wrong. Yeah, I mentioned this in my review of Black Widow. I thought the guy who was going to play Taskmaster was the spy friend of Black Widow. Apparently not. Like that would have made more sense as opposed to anything. The black guy. I forgot. The black guy. Wait, what? I got no Hawkeye. No, no, no. The guy that gives him his her the connections and whatnot. Oh, Mason. Yeah. What? Sorry? His name is Mason. If you talk about the one that is like a handler. Yeah, the handler guy. Yeah. Yeah, that was apparently that was a potential when they were making this film that he was going to be revealed that he was Taskmaster the whole time or something like that, which yeah, I could see them doing that, too. That makes more sense than, oh, surprise. It's incredible that he said this, though, because like none of the other fucking Black Widows women remove their women walks. Like, what do you mean? Women walks. He's saying that that happened because they were mind controlled. Like, I'm sorry. Why would you? Why is it you want to make them walk like a guy? What? Why would that be? Like, this is some sort. Yeah, exactly. This is some sort of like clever maneuvering on the part of the hand. Don't make yours like you crafted. They should fool you by removing Taskmasters feminine walk and also using clearly a man as the suit wearer. They got you. We're giving the mind control to majority women, if not all exclusively women. Make sure they walk like mad, though. What? Like, what are you? Why doesn't matter if they're men or women if they're standing around in the middle of the street with machine guns and goofy outfits. He said it hides her identity. Do you know what else hides it? The fucking body is what do you think? I guess he said like, oh, Taskmasters would have walked like a woman. I it's like, yeah, walking like a woman wouldn't have revealed who Taskmasters really was. It wasn't like that. That's how you would say, oh, it's you because I just assumed it was a mega black widow, essentially. It'd be so funny if like he does the female walk. But as this body that we're like, oh, my God. Now I know who it is. You're like, who you're like woman or it would be funny if they had the clearly man in this outfit. Walk like a woman. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Try and sell it. Yeah. And then that was a funny idea. It's not only funny. It's stupid in terms of he's saying it protects her identity. It's like, oh, we got our identity. What's your information? Woman. Oh, that narrows it down. Now we know exactly who it is. I mean, she, I guess I'll go ahead. That doesn't even make fucking... If, sorry, I'm pissed off at this point because he's trying to say it's a good thing. It hides her identity by convincing people it's a guy. It's like, how is it helpful to be, to know that it's a girl or a guy? How does that narrow it down? It's like... It knocks out half the population. What's 3.5 billion people who it can't be? No, no, the difference rags. Do you understand what I'm saying? I don't. I don't. So he's saying, now that we know, not knowing it's a girl means it protects her identity, but we know it's a guy. So why did it make any difference? It doesn't achieve anything. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, I see what you're saying. It's not a 50% of people or two. It has to be one of the other anyways. Yeah, thank goodness we convinced them it's a guy rather than a girl. We didn't want to narrow down the identity. It's like... It's wrong on multiple levels. It changes nothing, whether it's a guy or a girl, and it doesn't help you at all. Either way, it's a significant portion of people. It's still 50% of the population. This is making me wonder, what would actually change if Taskmaster presented as a female instead of presenting as a guy? And the other thing I could think of would be people's response and reactions. They might maybe take him less seriously if they knew that he was a girl because they think girls... What if you underestimate him? Maybe that's good. Yeah, and that could be a useful thing because if you underestimate him, she could get the upper hand. But this is also the MCU where women, just in the comic book universe, can fight easily as well as guys, and so that really wouldn't mean much in the end either way, so... And then someone just mentioned, isn't it 51% of women on Earth? Whatever, whatever. No, no, that's important because that means it's better to make it that people believe it's a girl. You're more people. You just made a fucking stink about more numbers, so shut the fuck up, 51 is more than we died. That means you have more... If you're gonna put effort into making her come across as a guy to protect her identity based on, like, people who have to search all of bed, it's like, well, there's more women, so just don't hassle with all that bullshit. Make people think it's a woman. Moeller, moeller. But the thing is, if people know that she's a woman, that means they can exclude half the population already and they have less work to sift through. You know, it's still several billion people, but it's less work to sift through to find out who she nearly is. The ultimate... So yeah, checkmate, man. The ultimate thing to do would have been half a man's walk and half a woman's walk because you can't be sure. One leg each? Yes. Yeah, the left half. Yeah, you mess around with the brain so that the left half is female on the right, half is male, and so it's like, yeah. So now you have to check everybody. And Rags, when you say half, are you saying like this one boob on one side and then a pictoral on the other to really... I mean, you could just have the right side be a fat dude, so it's a boob anyway. Oh, yeah. I feel like, if anything, that just narrows down substantially. Kill, confer, very immediately. Search the world for someone who's half male, half female, so they're right down the middle in the line. This business is very... Oh, that's like four people. Yeah, this is a very unique business. Ultimately, his point is, it's great that they removed Taskmaster's female walk so that it protects her identity. What a stupid thing to say for many reasons that we just went over. And also, it probably wasn't even... The woman is probably Andy Lister, the main stunt coordinator for Olga's character. Yeah, most of the stuff was done by Andy Lister. He's done X-Men, he's done Spider-Man stunts, he's a really good stuntman, and I don't imagine the conversation went on set like, hey, Andy, don't walk like a woman. Yeah, I don't think they actually gave a fuck. He just got out of the fucking car and walked. And no one said, like, make sure you don't do it too womanly. I wouldn't want to give it away. God, he's about to ding a win for this. And since she's being mind-controlled... What? Yee. Oh, we're just complimenting the slow-mo? Is that what that was? The cool slow-motion, the block is the... Yup, that's a thing! Yep. Okay, so is that cool? I guess. Yeah, Taskmaster teleported over there. He got the shield out without making a noise when it was embedded into the car. And then she doesn't shoot anywhere else other than the shield, despite being incredibly... And he's thrown into a car. It's so hard it sticks there, but whatever. It makes her look pretty dumb. She's, like, just continually shooting into the shield. And you'd guess after the first shot that it deflects, you'd get the idea that it's kind of useless. But no, she just keeps shooting in the same spot and somewhere else. Completely gave up an advantage of not being behind somebody. Like, she literally did, you know, nothing personal kid and teleported behind Black Widow and then did nothing with it. Just ended up, you know, blocking some bullets. But she had several seconds there where she could have, you know, sneak-striked her without any opportunity of noticing her. But movies. And he's probably about to compliment the one part of the fighting in all this movie that I think a lot of us actually liked. And I'm just sitting here like, if it can be consistent, though, the rest of it was shit. But you're not going to say that. There it is. No better way to cement what Taskmaster's power is than to have her... That never happens again! That's literally it. This is the only thing that he does in the entire movie. This exists only to remind you that it was the only time it was used. Well, I get the impression he's going to be like, yeah, but remember, he had Black Panther claws and then there was the part where he did, like, the Bucky Knife thing. Not the same. That doesn't mean anything. He just had those, but it didn't amount to anything. Of course, it's not being used in a creative way against other people. It's just an aesthetic. Yeah, basically. It's just like, ooh, guys, remember, this is Taskmaster because you forgot. It's so lame. We never get any kind of... The one I wanted was real-time learning. And this is the closest we got because she used it on him and then he managed to reflect it back, which could be because he already knew or it could be because he'd learned in that moment. But man, none of that is in the movie. And he's like, this cements it, right? Uh-huh. Cements is a funny way to say it. I mean, it is cements in that it dries off and then now it's not malleable. Well, generally, when you say this cements that, then it is not the first example of it happening. It is the final very... It's the nail in the coffin, essentially, to coin another phrase. This is what really drives the point home to where it is undisputable. This cements the fact that it's like, when you say it's written in stone. Yeah, it is the end. It is the finale, in a sense. You've done it. The only thing you can say as a reference before this one, excluding third-party stuff, is him watching the screens. But that's not really anything, is it? They could have done that in post after the movie was done because they were like, oh, fuck, that's right. This is supposed to be Taskmaster. Quick, add a scene where she's looking at people doing stuff. Does she use it in the film? No, but yeah. Also, we'll be getting to the visor stuff soon. I can't wait. Immediately steal signature move. In the middle of that reforming it. Also love that as Taskmaster's HUD is telling her to go after the vials, all the other data concerning that fades away. Right, there it is. There it is. That's bad. That's bad. The part of Taskmaster, you should delete the fret before going after the main objective, I'm just saying. And this is a weird one to be specific about the criticism, right? Because a lot of people even on Twitter were like, isn't he just saying that it's good that the visor would fade the information away in accordance with the visor's goal to say she's not important, the vials are. Do you understand, like, very specifically? Which, even if that was true, that's just like, I noticed how his visor does a really dumb thing. Well, so that would be my counter. I think it's all stupid. Why would it ever do that? It's like, this is a threat. Don't worry about it, though. I will use the example that I've given before, which is in a video game. Imagine you're playing a video game, right? Imagine every time your objective changes or alters in some way, you lose the rest of your HUD. Yeah, that sounds great. I love no longer knowing what direction I'm supposed to be going or my compass or how many rounds I have left on my magazine and what my equipment is and anything. Thanks. And it's almost worse, because it's like your HUD's trying to kill you. It's trying to give you, it's omitting information that could protect you. It's like, you don't want to know about the bold-aheading right for you, actually. I love this still, too. It's almost like that jealous girlfriend meme where it's like, you know, Natasha is looking at the vials. Yeah. I wonder sometimes when he's writing this shit, that he'd be like, isn't it great that it fades away in accordance with the target being the vials? And then his brain is like, really dumb, though, isn't it? And he's just like, hmm. Well, I gotta put some points on the score. Yeah, like, the awareness has to be there and it must suck. Well, after the vials, all the other data concerning that fades away. Which is dumb because she's right in front of your face. Yeah. Like, I don't know. I feel like she's still relevant because she's like within striking distance of you. She could headbutt you at this range. I feel like you should still care. Yeah, she should stop you from getting the objective. She does do that several times. Yeah, I don't know who she is. Complimenting the HUD is dumb. Like, the HUD actually raises so many questions. And, by the way, he's saying she's good. Of course, she's good with a shield. She just uses it like a normal person, but she holds it up. Good with a shield. Yeah, I just... That's a shield. I know what a shield is. That is how you use a shield with basic competency. You hold it up in front of the threat. Wait, is that a reference because she works at S-H-I-E-L-D, that she's good with the shield? I figured he... Well, so this is, again, the laziness. He should have shown times where she may have... She must... She's picked up Capshield before, right, and used it. I feel like that might have happened at some point. I'm trying to remember. She did in Age of Ultron, yeah. There you go. And you put that clip in there. And that would be fun if she actually used the shield in any kind of way that wasn't just I'm blocking things. See, like... Of course, she'd be good with a shield. Like what? Or, I mean, if you want to add comedy, have her use the shield defensively for a bit. And then she, like, quips about, oh, now I see why Steve carries this thing around everywhere. Something like that, you know? I'd still be critical of that because she spent so much time with him and the shield that it would be weird for her to conclude that now. Yeah, I guess. Has she used it to this extent? Maybe this is the most she's ever used it. But wouldn't that still not work that well with seeing what he does with it? Like, throwing it into metal cars? Maybe she should be asking how to... No, no, no, no, that's not a cap. Like noticing how useful it is for him. Yeah. Maybe, but I still... At least with her using it, there's some difference there. Makes sense. Now, she should be dead. Wait, what? Or seriously injured. I don't get it. He just said skadoosh. Skadoosh. Oh, right. I don't get it. Is that like a... Well, Kung Fu Panda post probably says... Yeah, I guess he's just saying it's cool. Yeah, that's cool. She should be like seriously injured. And also, how is he that strong? Sorry, how is Taskmaster that strong? And Black Widow, I guess, for surviving. And that, yeah, like this, this is like four problems in a matter of three seconds. But skadoosh, rags. Skadoosh. I don't even know that, rags. It's a win, because he said so. Clearly. Cinema things. It's a thing. And those people highlighted it's like, I'm assuming skadoosh isn't strictly Kung Fu Panda or is it? I only know it from him. Yeah, I only know it from Kung Fu Panda. In that case, yeah, some people say like, how are you referencing Kung Fu Panda here at all? And it's like... I guess it's because he says skadoosh when he beats the person, but he's the protagonist. Yeah. When he defeats the bad guys. Also, how broad, you know? Like, when you defeat someone, you can say skadoosh, like, okay. Well, I just want to say, I really like the first Kung Fu Panda. Yeah, I think it's great. I remember liking it a whole month. I really like Kung Fu Panda. When he's doing his training, and he becomes like, he's doing his training, and it's unconventional. You got to train him through food, but then by the end of it, he doesn't even want the food anymore. Look at his growth. It's a good old-fashioned, good, fun, simple story. With recent news being what it is, maybe there could be a Kung Fu Koopa in Jack Black could reprise, semi-reprises role as Bowser needing to be trained in Kung Fu in order to be Mario and Luigi. Huh? Oh, just make up a character. Waluigi. No, we can find a character. Waluigi. Yeah. Yeah. Waluifu or something. Waluifu. Waluifu. What's going to happen? Master Waluifu. That's so funny. Yeah, I'd watch it. All right, we got paused on the next one here, and it says, make sense that a brainwashed, traumatized human weapon would fall for the oldest trick in the book, meaning that she took the vials out. The oldest trick in the book? Wait, the oldest trick in the book is removing vials from a case so that it... I don't think that's the oldest trick in the book. Also, how did she escape there? Wouldn't he be like, right, I got to chase her because she's got fucking vials. Yeah, I'll go get her. She's within a stone's throw for me right now. I'd better go. And she's injured. Yeah, and she's clearly very injured. And I've got a visor that scans. God knows fucking why. It probably has thermal vision, right? Probably. It does everything else. It can threat-assess people by percentages on the fly just by looking at them. Yeah, it's pretty top tier. It's just, this seems so post-talk. Had this not tricked Taskmaster, he'd be like, it makes sense that a well-trained assassin wouldn't fall for a trick like that. But instead, it's like, no, brainwashed traumatized human would fall for a trick like this because they did. So, you know, that's that. I mean, it's kind of also weird to think that this... If you're banking on the naivety of a brainwashed human, but also this person apparently studies all of their opponents to extreme detail with surveillance footage. You think they would kind of be in the head of their opponents? They'd know the kind of tricks that now would be up to? So, and as we saw, 80% Natalie... 80% threat Natalie would not be a problem. 100% attention focused on the vials. They would be able... They would be very much focused on what happened with those vials and then not just give up on the fight once they're outside of combat range. She grabs the vials as he's jumping toward her with the sword. Like, so he should have detected it or she should have... Fuckin', whenever I say he or she, just assume the correct one. I keep getting distracted because I just think that they always associate he with the Taskmaster in this scene. Aim, yeah. I mean, it's a dude fighting, like, you know... Well, yeah, I mean, literally it is Andy Lister that we're referring to. That's it, exactly. Yeah, yeah, it's really... It's kind of unfair for us because it's literally a man up until the point that he or she takes off the helmet. And then when we put back on, it's back to beating man. Well... What, John Woo's in Budapest? Oh, because of the dove. Reference. We skipped the whole how does she even know how to be here with her pointing guns at each other, which doesn't make any sense. And why are they not... He might go back to it in a moment, you know? You might just go... I don't think cinema wins is extensive. It goes through the whole thing. Yeah. Thuroness. When I hear cinema wins, I think thoroughness and accuracy and consistency. Those three things. Ooh, Nat asserting her dominance by forcing Elena to walk backwards and stumble over. No, she just messed up. Asserting her dominance because she slipped over the fucking thing. This is so weird! So weird! That's not... No, that was the actress fucking up. I was about to say, I would have interpreted it that way. I'd have been like, ooh, they kept that in, I guess, where she slipped over the thing. Yeah. Asserting her dominance by having someone else slip. What if Elena just didn't move? That would have been awkward. Yeah, I mean, dominance would be her backing down or something. She's just... She's still pointing the gun at her. I've never known... I've never known dominance to be asserted by hoping your opponent slips on something. I will sit my dominance by having you fuck up on something. And when he says assert dominance, it just makes me picture, like, the canine way of asserting dominance like she starts peeing on everything. There's nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that. What about dry-humping someone to assert dominance? Because dogs do that as well, even. I mean, if these two want to dry-hump, you know... Someone's like, g'delp that. What would I say? It's dominance by having her opponent fall over. You see, when, I don't know, what's the name of the guy that you play in Dark Souls? Like, when Dark Souls is fighting Gwyn, Lord of Cinder, he makes him stumble a bit when he jumps to swing a sword at you. Thereby asserting dominance with something. You can find a way to make it work. You just have to change the names. John Souls. John Souls. No one will understand that when that comes out, but it's fine because no one ever understands g'delp, and that's the beauty of it. I like how cinema wins... I just like that how cinema wins is devolved into praising outtakes now. It is kind of hilarious to watch someone desperately... That's what I mean. He's not even particularly good at this, like, clearly, because there are things you can compliment in Black Widow. Oh, no, he's not good at all. By forcing Elaine to walk backwards and stumble a little, I guess this is why she's the Avenger. That's the thing Avengers do. She's not allowed to be in the movie. She's an Avenger because she makes people trip over when they walk back. That's her super power. She makes people trip. That's what makes her a bit. Make them stumble at just the right time. Spell disaster. Just great, great content here. Alright, Elaine ain't no star. That's stupid. Why are you coming? Why are you coming? That is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen in any movie. Neither of them have the finger on the trigger, too. Yeah, they don't really win. But look at that at your liner. Her thumb is like up way up. Yeah, we're coming from that. On the slide, yeah. Wait, we have to clarify where Rags first because this came up in the stream. Is that good or bad? I mean, it's probably totally neutral. I don't see it much, but I guess you could have really wanted to. Is it better than just having your finger against the little thing protecting the trigger? Well, generally, when I have mine in here, so yeah, mine is, when I hold mine, my left thumb is underneath my right, I'm right-handed. So my left thumb is underneath my right thumb because that's going to be where the mag release is anyway. So my left thumb's on the mag release. But also it doesn't cover as much, because if you have your, like, you can't really, it's really awkward for me to mirror this where you have your thumb just sort of sticking out. You have your peripheral vision when you're looking down the sights to have your thumb sticking up like that, so that's weird. I'm curious because instinctually, if I'm holding anything like a gun, so do you shoot right-handed, Rags? Yeah, I'm right-handed. So the left is the same for me, even though I'm left-handed for writing. The right hand's holding the gun and the left hand wraps around the bottom. Oh, I didn't know you shot. Oh, you've been right-handed, okay. So that's what feels natural to me. The thumb of the right hand holding the gun, if that makes any sense? Yes. Yeah. Are you left or right-eye dominant? Left or right? How do I know? How does one know what they're eye dominant? Yeah. I think there's a way to test that, isn't there? Yeah, there is. So put your hands together. Like your fingers are laced, put your hands together, right? Like praying? Yeah, kind of like you're praying, yeah. Okay. Which of your thumbs is on top? The left. You're left-eye dominant. But that's one test. What does that mean, though? Oh, it means that if you're aiming down this, it's your, like, you know how that's generally... Oh, like if you aim down the sides, what eye do you close and which eye do you keep open? Yeah, like which one do you, will you generally use? It's not always a 100% thing, but people are generally in the same way they're right and left-handed. They're going to be left or right-eye dominant. There's a few tests you could do. Is there a correlation between left-handedness because I'm right-handed? I think it's opposites, but I'm not certain. I was going to say, if I'm shooting with right or left, I'd assume I just lock the eye related to the arm. I would assume so too, right? So if I've got the gun and I put it up against my right arm, I'd close my left eye, right? Because my right eye would be closer to the scope, presumably? It depends. It's generally not going to be that much of a difference because your head's going to be tilted a little bit anyway. But it's... I mean, you could shoot with both. A lot of it's just sort of what your body naturally does. There's no... There's nothing big about it. There's a few other little tests you could do involving putting your thumb up over something in the distance and then keeping one eye open and the other closed to see which eye keeps the thumb over the thing. As long as it's just like, is there any reason they would have the fingers on the trigger? So necessarily, they're not willing to shoot here. Do you want to shoot? They're acting like they're willing to shoot? Yeah, but then they actually try and kill each other. It's bizarre. I think I say in the video, it's like, I don't know what they're trying to do here. I don't understand. She clearly almost kills Natasha several times in this fight, but she's not willing to put a finger on the trigger. Well, if she didn't dodge quickly enough, that would have been it. You know, smashing a plate on someone's head, it's not something you just go, lol, I'd be like, careful. I just... In the part that we just saw where they reach for each other's guns and then disarm and switch, the amount of time it takes for them to reach the other gun, like we're watching it in real time, either one had plenty of time to pull the other gun back. They were just basically waiting there for the other to grab it. Now letting it, then it's just clearly an obvious choreograph move that they were doing on purpose for the choreography that would not play out naturally at all. It takes an incredible amount of cooperation from both parties to do that, where you're both giving up your gun to the other person while taking theirs and putting it in your hand. It's like the driving scene. It takes an insane cooperation to have one person control the brakes, one person control the wheel, and to do the perfect spin. Yet they do it. And they do it without cooperation. They both just do it. It's like, okay. There were some people at the office I worked at who got actual gun disarmament training in case there was like an active shooter. And the first thing you do is you go low and you knock the gun, you push the gun up with your hands. You duck and push the gun up. So your primary goal is to move their line of gunfire away from you before you even attempt to grab the gun. Grabbing the gun would be stupid. Your point is to move the line of fire away from your face and your body. You've got to get it pointed away from you. It's the most important thing. So trying to grab a gun while you have one of your hands on your gun and while letting go, it looks cool for the movie, but it doesn't make a whole lot of practical sense, I don't think. Someone said, how dangerous is smashing a ceramic plate on someone's head? That's kind of my point. You've got to be careful. The scale of damage is probably going to be everywhere from like, that was annoying to, oh shit, I'm bleeding. Yeah, especially because it creates a lot of, it takes a lot of. This feels to me like the thing where people, like if you smash someone over the head with a bottle, probably not going to shatter. That's probably going to kill that person. That's the way to knock people out in movies usually. That is very dangerous hitting someone with a bottle. Isn't it more likely to break if it's full or something like that? I'm not sure, but all I know is that smashing it and then it just shattering into pieces, they have shatter glasses that they use in film streaks that happen. Yeah, in real life. There's a reason why when people do go ahead. Sorry to cut in. In the fight scene on my short film, we got to do that. We use the shatter glass and Dale grabs a fake bottle and smashes one of the stuntmen in the head with it and just bursts into pieces. So yeah, I got to experience that first-hand life. That probably would have been really fun. Yeah. Just fun reference in that Batwoman episode where she goes to knock all the glasses off the table, but because they're made of that like sugar glass or whatever, they all smash before she's even thrown them anywhere. When she brushes them off, they start to shatter. You could just use real glass for that. And if they didn't break on the ground, they would have been in a glass breaking sound effect if you needed. So the thing is you could use real glasses, but glass is dangerous. Yeah, you get contractual issues, safety precautions stuff. There's a reason why they use shatter glass as well when people jump through windows because the reality is if you jump through a window. Oh yeah, for that. It's probably not going to break, but if it does break, you're in a lot of trouble when you land on the ground. The thing that I assume happens if you were to do that, like this contract here, this safety restriction here, we can't do a real bottle. Look, actor, are you okay with pushing a bottle onto the floor? And they're like, yeah. And then some other agent is like, you can't do that. Well, I think, yeah, like some would be a cast like, well, I know. Quiet, I'm a pioneer. We're doing this. I guess the thing is, is there's a lot of stuff that just happens on set where it's like, there is the need to be somewhat expedient because the job, it's very expensive. Yeah. Also, I've heard certain actors do stunts before asking anyone just so they can get it. I think Tom Cruise did it in one of the Mission Impossible films. Yeah. So I know that that's the story for that was the Burj Khalifa thing that they did in Mission Impossible 4. The insurance company would not let him do it. So he fired them and then got another one to do it. And now he seemingly could just do it because apparently the stunts in the upcoming one are, again, hyper-dangerous and that he had to learn several new skills to do it. I'll be watching that. I'll be watching that eagerly, like even if the story ends up not being great, which hopefully won't be the case. Same director behind the last two. So fingers crossed, but the stunts are always really fun. Yeah. I like him a lot. I like watching him do stuff. I think it's really cool that he's this dedicated to doing these stunts. I think he spent thousands of hours learning how to fly helicopters to do the stunts in the last one. He actually hung on to the side of a plane for like five. And yeah, he did claim on the Burj Khalifa. He actually did that. It's really cool. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. And he is an old man. I always think he's younger than he is. I always think he's younger than he is. He's nearly 60, I think. He's getting up there. Not height-wise, he's short, but he's age-wise. He's 59. Yeah, that's what I mean. He's still an extremely talented. He's 5'7. Tom Cruise is 5'7. Yes, right. Yes, Tom Cruise is short. If he doesn't let that stop him. Clearly. He's compensating for his height. That's why he does so much. He's a fun action movie character guy. Absolutely, yeah. I'd say he's probably the most dedicated action performer out there right now. In terms of like actors who don't like mainstream Hollywood, probably yes. When it comes to stunts specifically, but then again, you've got like Jackie Chan was equivalent in terms of and admittedly he did a lot of stuff when it was far less I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of people in Jackie Chan, he has done insane stuff. Like, you know how we're talking about fake glass, he has jumped through real glass and cut his arm open and everything. The guy is crazy. I think the main one for him was, I can't remember the movie exactly, but he's like on the sick floor of a shopping center, dives onto the pole and slides down it and falls through actual glass. And then there was one where I think he just landed on his head. As it's sliding down, he is falling into like Christmas lights and is getting electrocuted as he's busting through the lights several layers and rows of them and then he falls into glass as well and it's like after the stunt he's falling in and out of consciousness. It's nuts. And it was police story the one that he did. Police story, that's right. He did a lot of those. Jackie Chan came from like, you know, hardcore actual stunt work over in Asia but you don't see him do that kind of stuff anymore. He's like 67 now. As far as like a Hollywood theatrical actor or like cinema actor type who doesn't need to do any of that stuff I'd say you can't really find somebody who's done quite as many practical stunts as Tom Cruise does because he didn't even come from the stunt aspect. He came from the you know I wouldn't know for sure, but he's definitely to be celebrated, he's doing some great stuff. Yeah, for sure. It's really cool when you have like your actors also being able to do these it's just the benefits that you get from a filmmaking perspective where you don't need to hide their face though admittedly nowadays you can like CGI faces on top of other ones so it's not even but even then I imagine it still influences the sort of direction in the way that you make it but if the guy is able to do it it's like I always forget his name he's the lead in the raid cause he's fight guy so when he gets utilized in fights it's really cool cause you're going to see his face all the time you can do those long shots where it's like 30 seconds of uninterrupted action probably not that long but you know along those lines I just want to say that was a really cool set of tangents we went from well are these people trying to kill each other the plate on the head how damaging is that and then bottles to the head how damaging is that and then what sugar glass versus regular glasses and then doing it because of restrictions or not and then Tom Cruise would often try and get past those restrictions and then how good Jackie Chan and Tom Cruise are both in their stunts that's how that all went the reason why we got there was because we saw a scene where two characters were pointing guns at each other and then switched their guns and pointed them back at them just a failure like you're trying to achieve any of those things in terms of coolness somewhat back on top of it though yeah I can understand some cool stuff yeah just a little plug for the matrix they actually had a Hong Kong choreographer choreographer choreographer I guess there it is to train all of the actors Keanu Reeves, Carrie Ann Maas Hugo Weaving Morpheus, I forget his name right now Lawrence Fisherman so they were all just film school kind of wimpy actors but they actually got to learn how to fight and really do those scenes and I think that's part of the reason why the matrix was so good because you actually got to see up close non-stunt actor, non-body double fights where they had the whole body in time and you saw their face they could have long takes as well with a lot of different portions they have long takes in the matrix I mean go around the matrix one because matrix two and three just had CG well yeah it's okay there's probably still plenty of examples of good shit for the fights in two and three but holy fuck everyone remembers the CGI yeah he's got the metal pole it's just it's so floaty it's kind of the problem with a lot of I think a lot of the time what portrays CGI is not actually the fidelity it's like how it moves it's just something that can sometimes be unnatural it's like oh it's like really light it's the bounciness and the animation like you'll notice in a lot of spider-man movies you'll see like somebody leap and then kind of bounce when they hit they hit a wall and leap again and bounce is that certain sort of animation and tweening it looks so fake to me and I hate it it's funny because in animation bounce and overreach and stuff like that is really great for enhancing the movement but when you're watching something that's realistic it's like gotta try and make it look like something that's real I was gonna say they have floaty benefits for the matrix because the fighting is floaty throughout yeah I think it depends on what you're leaning into for the story and the matrix if they're manipulating this world the physics are in their control to a degree and of course why it work and it's interesting CG is not bad CG is a really good thing when you use it I've been researching the matrix for like the last year so I'm pretty familiar with how they did a lot of those effects and there's actually a ton of CG in the original matrix you just don't notice at all whenever you see one of those like jump up spin around kind of slow motion things that's done practically and with CG what they did is they basically shot it with a green screen they shot with I think about 30 to 40 different cameras placed around the action so they could actually snap like a series of still photos one after the other to get each frame rotating around them in super slow motion and then what they did is they used that footage they used computer interpolation to basically fade between each of those frames to get a smooth effect and then they had used computers and photography to map the entire room that they were in to basically make a panoramic CG 3D version of that room so the background is completely CG but you don't really notice because you're focused on the actual real photography of the people in the middle that are rotating around the trinity kick or Neo dodging the bullets etc so it was a great combination of practical and CG and it's done in a well where it's fairly seamless it still looks great even 22 years later CG is great when you use it when you use it right but when you make an entire scene full of video game characters the quintessential example is Jurassic Park usually the CG married with the physical effects when the t-rex first breaks out it will never be awesome and it was so brilliant my most impressive my favorite shot of that is the shot where you see the animatronic t-rex on the right side of the car and then you see the CG t-rex walk into the rain in the front of the car and they split the footage using the bar from the front bar from the Jeep the right side is real footage the front is CG and then they knew that it wouldn't quite look good because it was like 1993 or something like that so they added rain for not only dramatic effect but also to disguise the early 90s CG and it still looks great you don't notice that the front particularly the part where we're like worried at the potential and then especially the sound effects the wires all breaking off by one it's like ohhh Spielberg is actually kind of insane when it comes to sound engineering he'll get sometimes 36 layers of sound layers basically for any shot he actually sent people down to record birds of that specific region of where the Jurassic Park site was supposed to be like native environments of that area to add then just for atmosphere and stuff like that so he's like really really well known for being particularly pedantic with sound engineering and sound design so yeah he's he was a classic classic director there for a while he was really on top of his game then he made ready play at one well he made like 20% of it yeah Spielberg's made incredible movies he's also probably made some shit ones yeah for sure anyway do you guys want to talk more about Black Wid let's no I'm not even sure what the compliment is here he said Yelena's no slouch no he's saying oh she can she can fight like Natasha, hooray that's basically it she can take a gun off somebody who basically provides it they aim at each other and give the gun to each other Yelena ain't no slouch stay down that scream if there's ever been a version of loving sisters I hate this bullshit youtuber fake laugh that people do shut the fuck up for hitting me really hard in the face so that was a win by the way hit me really hard in the face when she flinks her so hard into that door that it broke the glass and may well have given her a permanent spinal injury I think he was referring to the plate when he said that I think he was referring to the plate I just find it amusing that it syncs up on that injury it's like oh yeah sisterly love right there just reminding yeah this fight is super technical and all the moves feel deliberate this is one of the worst all the combat in this movie is crap and this is the kind of shit where we veer away from I like it when he's like this fight is super technical and I'm like what do you mean by that all the moves are deliberate they're quick I imagine he's gonna have more to say but also when you say super technical you're referring to something there that's provable right like we can look at the actual fight and prove whether or not your saying is true instead because I know you'd be like that's just my opinion I think it's super technical but if you don't know what technical is that's something worth talking about exactly wait but it's also a great way each of them is and how brutal they're willing to be with the constant smashing in I don't believe that though that's the thing I don't believe that they can throw each other around like this it's not right it's twofold I don't believe it but secondly why is this a positive when you consider who they are Yelena should not be doing any of this this is completely this is not as very family oriented what the hell is she doing what are you both doing it's trying to kill each other because we need a fight we need a fight scene we need a fight for the trailers and if we didn't have a fight scene then his commentary is look how willing they are to be brutal like oh okay I don't even know that was ever in question anyway they're both fucking long-term assassins they've done plenty in their lives that are way worse than this we've literally seen them both do way worse than this I don't understand why there's a look at the proof of how the brutality runs through here oof back so this are all in person decades you just made last time though that was like the last point and you just doubled it that said it in a different way feels like there's decades of pent up or h3 no it doesn't we didn't even know what was happening here pent up rage though yeah what the fuck is the pent up rage to be angry about yeah and also I guess you could say she's angry at the recent events but that's not decades you know the taskmaster shit with the vials but like why would you that's not pent up rage over decades you know if she was like chemically under mind control would she have all this rage for her sister that tried to save her for all these years she actually considered her to be pretty cool she didn't try to save her for all the years that's the point I mean yeah she didn't try to but she did try to save her initially and then they got separated yeah and then she didn't do it I'm on her side for this I'm with Yelena but that's the fault of the writers that Natasha didn't do anything for her in her all those years well Yelena didn't exist until true she couldn't do anything for her in the news America bringing down the red room that's a really good point I wonder what other kind of villain stuff went on while the avengers were distracted by Tony Stark's daddy issue what okay so first of all Tony's daddy issues way to just totally devalue the conflict of war the civil war conflict is Tony Stark's daddy issues daddy issues wow is parents get stuff happening that's what civil war is in his mind it's not about the whole world having a perspective on everything that's been happening with the avengers and all of the collateral damage his parents get annihilated brutally by his best friends best friends daddy issues I don't even know how he drew this from the dialogue by the way what she's saying in this scene is that she was expecting Captain America to have taken down the red room by now because she's given the vials to Nat I don't know how much that doesn't make any fucking sense at all but that wasn't got to do with this that's a good point I wonder what are the kind of villain stuff went on where the avengers were distracted what are you talking about but you know Malera the Chitari invasion is just Tony Stark's daddy issues um yeah okay again I really don't know why he played that clip to then support this point expecting to see Captain America bringing down the red room that's a really good point I wonder what other kind of villain stuff went on while the avengers were distracted by Tony Stark's daddy issues okay yeah none of that made sense yeah and this kids is why you should never try to rewire your house without electrical training big fan of oh is that a win is that funny but what the win could have been is that it's neat that Yelena has this place rigged in case it was ever discovered I have other criticisms to make of the scene as you would have seen in the video and that only works in a very specific isolation because to be fair she's not really prepared at all um but instead he was like don't rewire a house because it could be bombs he he that's a thing and yeah look how much we've skipped by the way we're already here now yeah he skipped the whole running around scenes yeah the way it makes you feel off balance while showing us how high up they are no I mean okay like to be fair to the guy that could be like oh this shot is really nifty I think that's what he was trying to say oh my god that's a more that's a better description that's a more like oh I get the logic behind that maybe you're right I'm just not impressed by a camera the top of a building shows the view down to show how big the tall the building is I'm just like congratulations that is the most basic thing you could have done yeah but I get that more than oh the light makes explosions that's a win like that explanation of oh the off balance fine so it's not it's not a negative being dressed up as a positive it is as far as I'm concerned it's almost a neutral but at least I understand the logic okay I get it I get why you think that would be a good scene that makes more sense to me than an attempt at humor that fails sure yeah it's like praising a dolly shot like oh this camera it's on a crane more than likely it was really not a dolly and I think it's nifty yeah that's basically the comment I understand that more than everything else so far that this guy's been doing like oh my god another firework what the fuck's going on did we achieve victory in some way ah did the virus die did we are we in control of the UK now whales exclusively oh my god what the fuck's going on out there is it like whale? um I uh so anyway whale's holidays molla get down but I was going to say you have to admit all the stupid shit in this scene too the moment you realize why are you jumping onto a pole unleashing it and hoping to crash it into a building what the fuck is your goal what are you doing what are you doing what are you doing what's wrong with you well that's more commitment to a cause actually no what it is is a showcase of how little drakoff cares about the widows they're very no that's stupid that is really stupid no no also that's not the scene you should make the comment on the scene that you should make this comment on was when drakoff just pulls the kill switch what is the kill switch this is just the widows so the reason that you give soldiers things like good rifles body armor extensive training functional equipment is not necessarily because they will change the course of a war often times they have not really anything to say with how the world will turn out it's because each one of those soldiers from your country is an investment you have money and time and political ramifications and getting new recruits in the future the idea that you just have especially we're talking about drakoff with all of the mind control and the bullshit about keeping a floating fortress each one of those black widows is valuable it represents a huge investment in time and technology and the expenditure of training the idea that you would just waste one like this is ridiculous and he's tangled his wires he's like drakoff doesn't care about the lives of these women so look what he's willing to do so he doesn't care about them on a personal level like them as people he does care about them as resources do you know long he's packed into these people how much time and money are in these fucking people there's no way that he wants them to just kill themselves 10 to 20 years per person that's an incredible investment the only time that might be the case is if they are captured and secrets could be spilled from them or whatever but he's still dodgy on that cause he's an idiot in this fucking movie but I thought for a second there cause I was listening to this without having read ahead that he was gonna say wow that's real commitment to the cause oh actually no that's kinda dumb I thought he was gonna say that but instead he says no this is evidence of how drakoff doesn't care for the widows they are very expendable to the point where he'll just have them fucking kill themselves yeah there's a difference between being expendable and being wasted wait is the scene does drakoff do anything in the scene well so he's implying the black widow software would have them value stabbing the hand of their target more than their lives cause that's a little case but that's stupid no I just think the widow is stupid not necessarily that the training drakoff gave them but he's right in that their software makes them do that so whoever designed the software that controls them is to blame for this not them I don't know I think they're brainwashed to obey orders but in terms of how they fight it's a perfectly individual choice no I completely disagree I think that her choice to attack nat is as a result of a brainwashing not her choice as a person no but I don't think drakoff is controlling her like he's behind a computer no he's not on a joystick it's like they're following computer programming yeah they're brainwashed you know what would have been really creepy is if at one point when they basically have one of these brainwashed widows surrounded they try to reason with her and then she's like oh my god I can't believe I did this so and so and feigns being turned and then tries to stab Yelena or Natasha in the back or something like that just to show how deeply under drakoff's thumb that they are that would be an interesting twist to show okay we absolutely need to use this chemical thing on them we can't trust them they're completely dominated and they cannot help themselves until they're free of this control just to make it even that much more sinister they get that across with the whole they can make them stop breathing at will at least the pigs yeah all I'm suggesting here is that the software has it so the priorities like your health will never come above any damage to a target which is stupid like if you could chop their toenail off that's worth you dying it's like what why yeah there are very specific circumstances where you'd want to trade one for one but this isn't even that trade this is I'm gonna stab your wrist at the range of an entire black widow yeah she's trying to save you take the help and then as soon as you're up there stab her when it would be it would have been way cooler to have it be the you know they save her without and then she's like you know what I totally I was or she's like help me help me you know and then when they save her she stabs them like this this protocol for this is where you can yeah you would think that there would be protocols so if that aren't stupid yeah and I'm disappointed that the most advanced most long-running espionage agency hasn't got anything like that they're like and they're clearly not winless killers because they're she supposedly has one behind every powerful person in the world so clearly they can blend in with society and feign social cues to get into power right I'm sure they're very in fact that might actually be something you think would be praying to those ones at least maybe there's a difference between foot soldiers and then people who are meant to go undercover for no x amount of time I don't know I guess but this is not a this is not a consistency sort of compliment to Dracoff's approach with these women it doesn't make any sense he treats them as objects I'm okay with saying that but those objects are valuable to him he needs them yeah exactly objects are still valuable well yeah my phone is valuable like my phone is an object that's not alive it's not objectifying your phone for me well I'm just saying when I put it on my desk I don't slime it so hard that it and my desk collapse and turn it to dust and no pretense about whether he's dead or alive I appreciate that the audience new, Yelena new think Nat knows no pretense about whether he's alive how can she break out of the conditioning to say that she doesn't want to do that to her oh wait I think he's gonna be ahead of me no that's the next one it's on screen very expendable did you notice that she's kept apart where Black Widow falls like stories in fairness maybe maybe he'll dress at a certain point don't rip off entirely because I don't understand how you can completely ignore that part but maybe I just want to point out that he's given a win to the film for not pretending that Draykov is alive or dead or whatever that he's definitely alive that's no confirmation to Nat Nat can't confirm that based on this I just didn't know if Draykov was dead and his program was still working that wouldn't change what the Black Widow does I mean I was just thinking do they use his name at all to Nat or does Nat just assume Draykov is alive from this I didn't get anything from about Draykov fact is there's a big criticism I have for Nat why she thought if the red room cannot exist without Draykov is her logic and it's like why why couldn't all of this be going with Draykov's son or Draykov's associates or he has cotiginity or whatever you know it would be really really creepy and again I'm back seat writing what if Draykov did die and his daughter was horribly disfigured and she was running the operation and at the end she has to reason with Draykov's daughter at the end and you could even do the thing they do in Equilibrium where right up until near the end cause the daughter is using Draykov's image maybe to give orders it might be tough to argue that all that makes sense but at least you could do it for Natasha specifically yeah, I mean Natasha that would be enough of a justification for that disguise but that would be really interesting that would be way better for Twist I think yeah cause she would feel fully justified in the daughter and she's like um, conflicted but you're still evil yeah, easy stuff no pretense about whether I appreciate that, the audience new Yelena new and now I think Nat knows I don't want to do this oof, ruthless that's ruthless I mean I guess but it's dumb more than anything else I don't even, it feels weird to be like that's ruthless what we've had, like this is something we know is definitely a thing is it not ruthless that she's willing to cut her own salvation to not die, like and cut a hand to throw her on to like a a seven story fall like, I get that, you know being forced to kill yourself last ruthless like what about that scene where they capture all those children and kill the ones that aren't compliant that's pretty ruthless and so it's like, so what are you saying then like the, it's not ruthless by comparison, I'm just like I don't know it just feels weird that he's like oh this is ruthless yeah just feels odd and he dings it as well oh by the way, what is he going to say about this sisters, you can't trust her sisters, that's funny she took the keys off her because sisters Tee I have sisters they don't do that I just want to put it out there that not all sisters steal keys it's just weird and yeah, yeah just I want to acknowledge it again in case you missed the chat, he did indeed ignore the seven story fall part or how much it was we have left that for now we'll see if he comes back they got right where you left off whoa whoa whoa, how far did we just skip wow we did we skipped the A we skipped the B whoa and the black widow who was chasing them the bike with the shame gun yeah we missed the fucking APC intro we skipped a lot we skipped a lot I thought he was going to be like wow what an intro this by the way this highlights my issue when people are like man you know why can't you more or you other guys depending on whatever you're covering why can't you cover I don't know fucking the new why can't you cover Shang-Chi for example and I'll be like well I can't cover everything and I'm like oh but you know Person X has covered all of these and I'm like this doesn't count yeah but they did a shit job he's covering fuck all like if someone said Cidema Woods has covered black widow I'd be like he's missed loads of opportunities for praise but he's also like omitting shit tons of the movie to praise it so Cidema skips yeah damn what a way to just really just tearing chunks out of this movie he's skipping all the bad stuff he's not skipping all of the bad stuff most of that stuff yeah that's what Cap would do hey wait a minute where did Captain America learn how to steal a car Nazi Germany and we're borrowing take your feet off the um so he's saying that he's going to return it or give it back or leave it to be found he's not going to keep it is what he's saying which is kind of the same thing I mean it's not really a worthwhile distinction for the point of this point well that doesn't make any sense no that doesn't make any sense how this plays out I know in our black widow video we talk about it a bunch nothing about that makes sense in any way no the fact that you think that's resourcefulness it would be like if I take a baseball bat and slam the concrete in front of me and it makes a crack that goes all the way to rags his house and destroys it and that was my goal it's like wow that was resourceful like how did you how like it's resourceful just call it that ding there is playing a video game weapons to cycle through on the left items on the right and this mimic stuff might as well be auto aiming is that a compliment that's a win it feels weird so you know how it's literally got a weapon selector yeah but like that it's got a sword I presume grapple bow or well arrow and bow I don't fucking know but like does it really make sense that it would be organized like a video game where we have to hit up down left right on a d-pad or maybe WASD to access particular things well he's like does that make any sense he literally takes out his bow himself he doesn't press left on the d-pad you know what I mean just remind him that he has those things but I'll remind you Mahler though that his combat strategy compatibility is 100% though oh nice it's good that wow it's good that we know that that's better than XCOM he might hit something with 100% haha I almost bled to death she said not because there wasn't time to turn a kid her wound but because she was planning to no there was no that's true though you can argue it's both but there she actually said to not fucking turn a kid the wound while Taskmaster is five seconds behind them but he's saying it's clever because she wanted to lead Taskmaster to that hole with the blood drip but that doesn't make sense then because that means they blood dripped into the hole and then they walked over to the other place the vent to climb into then turn a kid the wound so where's the blood they'd be blood walk over to the hole turn a kid then climb to some place while Taskmaster walks over to the hole because we see them dealing with it in the vent so they don't deal with it until then which means I guess one of them took a coat off and held it underneath the dripping wound to make sure none of it fell until they got into the vent I don't know the problem is that none of this timeline matches up Taskmaster should have caught up but he doesn't because he can't not allowed there's the blood the version one of the big ones comes to avenge you what are the big ones I like to imagine Thor and Hulk finding out about this conversation and arguing about who she meant specifically so we're going to ignore how stupid it was that they fucked up the timeline that Draykov didn't try to kill Black Widow because he wouldn't want to set off the avengers without setting off the avengers especially with assassins too um she wasn't always an avenger when she left Draykov that happened years later oh nope I doubt that space has to take an ibuprofen after a fight and it's sort of cute to think that Nat doesn't see herself as any lesser of a teammate than the god and you know what she's probably been just as effective stop no I need you to stop I need you to stop he was almost there because what he had to say was she's as integral to the team in a meaningful way as many of the others in different way like you keep it nice and broad you don't go you don't say she's done more than Thor like what are you talking about look at this image yeah she's the same guys she lacks the capacity to even hurt Thor please she Natasha's role in the avengers has been complicated because of the fact that she's so deep-powered compared to them she's often times the one who talks to them about different things but then she still gets certain jobs done that are sort of lower level but man how fucking stupid cute to think that Nat doesn't see herself as any lesser of a teammate than the god and you know what she's probably been just as effective she did do the whole save the world self sacrifice thing there you go she killed herself so she's pretty much on level with Thor no that's different from punching like robots shit by his logic nobody is any different from anyone else as long as they've had done something that resulted in saving the world yeah exactly like if someone pushed a button to prevent a nuclear war they're the same Colson's basically the iron man yeah true just need Natasha sorry I just need Natasha to turn around it's like what do we some sort of suicide squad and jumps right out the cliff that would be fucked up that would be hilarious they're at least on equal footing and Tony didn't have to fight his best friend for the honor sorry you're right he had to fight an alien army yeah I was gonna say do not remember how do you think Tony looks like this he's fucking army he's been torn to shreds like what are you talking about yeah Tony didn't have to fight Hawkeye to kill himself he had to just fight an entire army what the just to kill himself hey what the fuck Tony didn't have to fight his best friend for the honor they're the same Moller and everyone they're the same he's devaluing Tony sacrifice he's saying Tony didn't have to fight someone to kill himself she did maybe he thinks Hawkeye is way stronger than Hawkeye actually is he's always like thank god Iron Man didn't have to fight Hawkeye I also like I think he's go ahead man you didn't have to fight Hawkeye he had to fight the destroyer of the universe instead yeah Hawkeye similar I also think he's devaluing like in a way he's devaluing that sacrifice he's totally missing the context of that scene so this is like he's terrible it's by trying to do by taking what she does and trying to twist it into something else he is trying to elevate her into like a different category other than what she is which by in effect kind of like devalues her in terms of power he's fucking up in every way right now he should have redrafted this and talked about what she brings to the team and why she sees herself as an equal potentially but certainly not in power like what do you mean it's like the Useless of the team this chat gets there's a few weeps in there yeah is that UK's brother yeah exactly bro okay you just didn't want your sister to tag along whilst you saved the world with the cool kids you weren't really my sister and the Avengers aren't really your family sisters they know how to hurt each other none of it made any sense I hate this dialogue Natasha would never say that to her it is so fucking cold and harsh and comes out of nowhere Natasha we know from this film that she cares about her deeply and she abandoned her for no reason the idea that she would be like in response to saying you wouldn't want your baby sister hanging out with you while you're doing Avenger stuff the idea that Natasha would say you're not really my sister bitch it's like wow that's out of character and then for her to say back the Avengers aren't really your family I don't even what the fuck's happening now if your lane is going to make that point then the undercover family isn't really a family either I I hate it dialogue is so important it's true but what if we just didn't think about it hmm my take is that this was the point ooh my take is that this was day 7 of 11 of their writing the script for this movie okay this is the part this is the part where they're supposed to have some sort of conflict resolved by the end of the movie what can they say they're not your family then later on she'll say both that the Avengers are her family and that the Elena is her sister and she did care about it that's who she was you said she wasn't that for your movie and I think they literally said at the end the fake family thing was real for me too that's not the fake family part which again she would have felt that anyway she can't create a family and she's very much about family and she's found a family with the Avengers she's all about family she's basically the Vin Diesel from the Fast and the Furious of the Avengers it's all about family so yeah it just seems like a cheap shot just to get that little bit of conflict there deep by diminishing the value of each other's relationship that's not right what happened I'm actually questioning it yeah he's breaking the conditioning maybe let's have a look at that again sisters they know how to hurt each other deep by diminishing the value of each other's relationship that's not right wait the wind counter went up but it's an X what's going on what's going on you need to explain your rules to us listen to me since it has the reverse sound and it goes down when he gives a compliment I need the Hulk text or like that's the thing I never have rules I never had any rule yeah Shed you got a good point he did the reverse point but he counted up instead so he copied the gimmick but he didn't do it right I'm going to even more nitpicky I think he managed to get the criticism wrong tag along whilst you save the world with the cool kids yeah I know sisters they know how to hurt each other deep by diminishing it's like sisters diminishing the value of each other's relationships to hurt each other that's not right well that's what they would do if that's what their goal was if they wanted to hurt each other relationship it seems like the primary way you'd hurt your sister you'd diminish the value of their relationships and stuff my criticism is that it's a character yeah no family can hurt you worse than anyone else because they know everything about you they know where I live they can catch you real deep if they want to so in fact that if that was what they were supposed to say which probably isn't that would be an effective way of hurting you getting personal but what does it mean to go from 62 to 63 with an X what does that mean the value of each other's relationships that's not right oh it went back to 62 so I guess he's saying he was gonna praise it but he had to take it away ah okay I withdraw my previous situation even though but like I still don't think he got the criticism right but at least he noticed he's beginning to believe he's beginning to notice the spoon is bending matrix reference amazing impression and acknowledgement that Nat is effectively a celebrity but also yeah why no homecoming and everything already did this Nat is effectively a celebrity it's like well of course they all are manager and she does these poses or whatever in the first time we see a dude I think in Iron Man 2 who's watching other than the people she's gonna knock the fuck out I don't understand it's always been a strange joke but it always felt weird coming from Yelena especially she's so well adjusted so fun yeah it's Elizabeth it took years of getting back into society and joking and getting people to kind of break out of your shell to be anywhere near as personable as she is so that's a bit wild and um yeah and then it pays off later because I imagine he's gonna give it a big ol ding for that and he's like oh do you remember that conversation they had oh great I guess you gotta hop off here guys I got a commitment in about 20 minutes but thanks so much for having me on wow only 4 hours and 20 minutes gosh you must get busy all the time unfortunately I have a thing every other week and the ones who invited too generally tend to jump on that week but thanks so much for having me on and yeah anytime yeah no problem thank you so much for joining us and um well I mean do you want to tell people what you're up to where they can find you what should you do indigo gaming should be the first search result working on a really long video not like model or long but 2 hours plus cyberpunk genre the matrix you know cyberpunk books tv shows, comics, whatever could be fun probably releasing in November but yeah I'll do gaming content, elder scrolls follow up all this rpgs stuff like that yeah I appreciate any people checking out my channel and thanks so much for having me on yeah man we'll catch in the future I imagine I'll look forward to it nice meeting you too Shad I think we've got a pleasure talking to you yeah that was awesome good to meet you too see ya bye bye bye I never know who has or hasn't met each other before on this crazy thing we call EFAP so I can't remember all the people that I've been on EFAP with at times and so sometimes when we're on a song like I know I've listened to you on EFAP I can't remember so I was like I just I don't know sometimes I met you before right Shad I think have we he's the one with the sword I think yeah reviews but don't worry we can worry I remember you of course I do something okay I have a question will you do like a definitive medieval weapons tier list in the future or so difficult because there's a lot of context that makes weapons good for situations in other situations and then I got my own biases maybe if you just do at least one for like open field two guys same what's the lowest tier possible just like uncheck failure like I guess two blokes like the worst weapon well we would have to name of the group tier is it like ultra mega crap is that the name of the group tier the lowest group tier no no what I think you should come up with something thematic for the tier list like maybe like you take all like great Roman generals or medieval kings or you know strategist and things and like oh shit this is like Richard the manhearted tier or oh this is Frederick the third tier or something like that like oh man this is drowned on a river drunk tier or this is like oh this is like children's crusade tier something like that you know I could name it after weapons because the lowest tier weapons would be the nunchuck tier so that's nunchuck tier there you go nunchuck's the worst in the batwoman weapon oh they're in the same group batwoman tier but you what you would do is you'd have to you'd start out with all of your weapons like that are going to be ranked um and maybe you have to put in the stipulation of like actual weapons that were actually depicted and are you going to say well this is this is not only real weapons but this is fictional ones that are plausible to exist like the batwoman weapon like you could like they constructed a prop for it so you could make one if you wanted so you know that would that could be there um yeah I would want to agree with yeah I'd probably do a list of real weapons and then I'd do like a whole separate analysis for like fictional but plausible weapons and then maybe just fully fictional you could get that would be a good stream too because you could use one of those lives like like the the tier list maker things and you could do the stream with some of your friends and you could get their opinion and everyone decides which tier to put it on and then at the end you're like okay here's our list and then as you go you could compare the ones with each other and maybe adjust so once you get ready I don't want to shame them some some of them don't think nunchucks are as bad as I proclaim and we could get them to a great battle and debate maybe that's the tier list is like that's what the stream friendships could get ruined maybe the tier list will be aggregate like it's the four of you or whatever and the score reflects the you know like if three of you agree or four of you agree and one of them doesn't then you could just laugh at him and move on and you could put it in the thing and he could be like well I'm sticking with nunchucks being great and maybe he could make it a running thing maybe you could replace like the nunchuck tier with his face or something I don't know but you could do something like that it'd be fun that sounds like something that would be fun oh what you should do is maybe you could plan this out you could get I don't know how well you're connected with like Scalgrim and Metatron and Scologoratoria you could get a big thing together where every all the experts come together and plan this out so you have all the time make it a big big thing get everyone together and that could be the idea and then you can write the same thing with castles around table discussion and then do the same thing with armor sets and do the same thing with horses maybe even horse armor I don't know sorry there's a lot of potential yeah this is Parchron tier but with the sword guys community I'm not sure how comfortable so many of them are to get into vicious back and forth debates and stuff well I mean if they're pathetic weenies I assume that they won't do it but if they just want to have a discussion about it then you could just like have a fun stream about it it would be a lot of fun it would be very fun yeah you could clearly set the tone that it's not super cool in-depth be all in doll like super duper clinical discussion on it but you could eventually settle on something or make a little tier list that would be heaps of fun because I've actually done a group chat already with the scholar meditron Todd's workshop modern history TV and me and it was great and gee they're all great guys really really top Flanders Flanders I guess out of anyone who is closest to Flanders it would be me religious, ultra cut megachad yeah yours an Australian there so nope you're gonna have to be Australian regulars and Simpsons are there any the regulars I guess Andy the prime minister it's in more than one scene well I mean you could be a regular even if you're only in one scene it would be abnormal but you can be a regular if you're only in one even if you're in one scene how does that work I don't know maybe that could be the joke yeah apart from when the Simpsons visited Australia I'm not sure there's any regular Australian characters on the Simpsons oh but what about DASH DINGO was that his name? DASH the Dingo I thought the Dingo DASH was an Olympic event in Australia well that would be cruel potentially anyway Dingo DASH the Dingo DASH Dingo DASH involves babies and so it gets a bit messy what was that because Lisa was sick and then she played it was Crash Bandicoot but not I remember what you were talking about yeah it was DASH DINGO and then there was a guy who was like you got to get the didgeridoo and then oh and this is it's thematic so perfect because remember DASH DINGO it's killed by ninjas with nun sharks she says nun sharks they're not even from Australia well I mean that's up for interpretation it's poetry at rhymes we were talking about nun sharks and DASH DINGO got killed by koalas with nun sharks it is this is just the story had a set up in pay office it did and that was entirely unplanned I did not realize that that was where we were going to go with that I guess DASH DINGO does he count as a regular then on the Simpsons or well chat can be DASH DINGO yeah I think that's fair just on you know the Simpsons and their depiction of Australia there is a truism in one of the parts of how Simpsons depict Australia and it's that when they're trying to name the bullfrog they're like what's this they're called a bullfrog they're like oh I want to call them chaswazas and in terms of you know the regular names that Australians have for like animals like wallaby koala and stuff like yeah I could see it kangaroo I guess I'd call it a dingabong I'd call it a chaswaza a clonkestank we got some funny names for these and of course DINGO it's like yeah it's pretty uh it's south Australian doesn't it it's just if you just hear the sound of the word it sounds like you know when you're calling someone an idiot like DINGOS or something it's DINGOS oh you're a DINGO what are you what are you doing I do find amusing that we did build a fence to keep out both the rabbits and the DINGOS it wasn't only effective against the DINGOS the natural species here the rabbits couldn't get they got past that fence with ease bloody rabbits we don't have any of these as pets they're wild animals like I guess you could have a wombat as a pet wombat are a road hazard oh yeah they're super dangerous if you run into those yeah well a wombat is just this thick dense ball of muscle it's like hitting a boulder if you run into it with a car and it'll write your car off like a fully messed the whole thing up yeah and of course if you hit a kangaroo it's like hitting a deer I would imagine if you were to destroy your car that's one way to do it you've been in a car that's sitting kangaroo haven't you Fringy we've never hit a kangaroo oh really no yeah I don't know I've uh like wallabies included uh no even then even then that's despite having done many long distance like road trips just has never happened you see him you see him around all the time I've got kangaroos I actually have kangaroos on the Shadlins when I go over there to film and stuff I've got kangaroos bones in the sundown that doesn't surprise me at all I know when I went to Tasmania the big thing that was just that I noticed was that there was wildlife all over the roads there was a lot of roadkill in Tasmania a lot um lots of devils well I mean there are what's a wallaroo wallaroo is a town like a google play wallaby it's like wallaby wallaroo kangaroo so there's wallaby as an animal wallaroo is a town you say that like it makes sense get him right no no I mean I'm looking at what waga waga right now man oh careful waga waga is a town don't worry careful you're getting so close to TOS oh you can't call so if you're from there are you a waga waga the town's name is a violation of TOS yeah there's a couple of examples of that isn't there why wait did you forget the context doesn't matter to a lot of people online seeing words that are evil common wallaroo oh maybe wait okay oh yeah I don't know why I yeah I don't know why I screwed that one up well there is a town called wallaroo and there's also an animal called a wallaroo but the town is spelt with one L I believe and this does not at all confusing at all yeah so on the country road up to the property that I grew up on it's like a 20 minute drive every time you drive on the road there is at least one dead wallaroo or kangaroo or wombat on the side of the road just as a like you'll always at least see one that's been hit by a car and definitely hit a wallaroo kangaroo while I was in the car growing up yeah the road hasn't yeah yeah they've got signs that are like hey watch out for kangaroos yeah exactly yeah we have them here what kangaroos like if you spot kangaroo and well it's like someone's really wrong so they just say you know be aware that if you see your kangaroo something's fucked when I was in Canada they had like signs for deer but like for us over in Australia it's kangaroo rewarding signs on the road but they got deer all over the place there were like 20 signs through you gotta watch out for them you better watch interesting fact do you know koalas are extremely dumb animals yeah that's my brain yeah uniquely stupid I'm not kidding they are uniquely stupid amongst animals you can look this up they are profoundly dumb oh yeah I'm not interested in I'm not interested so much in that you're stupid it's that in they're uniquely stupid hmm how are they uniquely stupid that has me interested is it like size of brain or something oh the brain is so smooth yeah the reason why the brain isn't insults is because it seems like what matters a lot more is how wrinkly your brain is not how big it is I think there's the ratio right that's like one of the big ones but yeah if you've got wrinkles to surface area kind of yeah like um it's uh it's super smooth it's like I have a lack of folding in the brain I have a lack of folding in the brain but koalas they're wonderful little creatures they just sit up in the trees and they eat the little eucalyptus leaves and then they they go to sleep for like 22 hours lazy bastards oh surface area so the wrinkling increases the surface area of the brain right okay apparently uh let's see um the koala brain only filled 60% of the brain cavity no it filled 70 to 75 alright so I guess they figured that out the ancestors of the modern day koala once had a full size brain that oh so their brain is smaller than their skull like by a significant degree interesting or lads pretty useless dumb animals well I someone says they're these lovely cute animals and look how cute they are they're pretty dumb and useless well so whether or not they're smart or not from what I understand their poop is very good for the environment very good in terms of like um being a fertilizer so that's uh so they they have a uh they have a a little oh what was that can't think equals no sad hey look that's really true you know true can't think there is no sad koalas time for them to become extinct no I'm keeping them around sorry why would you want that why would you want to keep them extinct or make them extinct why would you do that yeah I don't know why you would want to koalas man they're adorable they eat a little they eat their plant yeah but remember there was somebody who said I don't care if like chicken suffer their chickens because there are these weird takes on animals like I want to keep them around they're adorable they're like little mascots of Australia they're cool I mean we don't want to start ranking the importance and value of animals based on their intelligence well we can't do that I personally value animals that are smarter and more useful than animals that are not as smart or as useful you say that but think about ants and stuff and individual ants isn't particularly intelligent at all but if all the ants were gone that would like completely destroy the world yeah they did very very useful I agree ants are very useful so that's the point then utility in terms of the ecosystem I said utility like usefulness and intelligence both things I don't know that intelligence matters that much as long as they have some sort of role that they fill in the ecosystem no I think a more intelligent animal what if they are only a detriment but they are intelligent more than well then their enemy should be eradicated clearly so intelligence isn't the most important part like the emus more the emus well have you guys considered zombie koalas we can keep the emus around like they're fine look we have a treaty we have a treaty we have a treaty if we violate the treaty first no I'm just saying if we violate the treaty tonight on Australia today we have a debate coming to you from down under breaking a treaty I think breaking a treaty is a sign of weakness I would yeah that's what I'm saying we need to we've always been at war oh my goodness we need to wait for them to make their first move I'm sorry it's not are all sadistic evil animals in the world and you think we have a treaty with them well we do it ended with a treaty it did we lost no those are just weak sympathisers who just I'm not sympathising anything I'm thinking about the pediment of this country and I just think that we need to wait we need to be eradicated for the pediments of this country I feel like I feel like there should at least be an attempt to maintain the peace rather than just immediately cause a a war you know well an emu apologist would say that wouldn't they I just find it funny that we talked about nunchucks and here we are talking about emus and their effect and what a ride guys what a great ride and we gotta thank Black Widow oh yeah you guys remember Black Widow I wanna see the emu war movie though like whenever that happens John Cleese is making one I wanna see it and if people wonder why I train sword so much yeah emus ok serious well look if the Lewis guns didn't do it I'm not sure how well swords are gonna handle them we just have to say guns it's really hard to hit emus guns cause a bullet so small and everything but a sword you have a much wider striking area so good old the size of the bullet the diameter of the bullet that makes it easy to hit something emus are different rags I'm sorry unless you've tried to shoot an emu you just don't have the experience of how difficult it is have you tried to shoot it is that legal bullets have failed against emus we've done this they've defeated the gun swords are where it's at I feel like there's more to the gun than the Lewis gun I feel like there's more options Lewis guns are great don't get me wrong and I almost feel like it wasn't the Lewis gun it was the application of it that's probably you know who else had guns the Nazis and they lost the war and they had a pretty fucking stellar firearms proving the guns a ship right Shad swords that's what the Nazis needed swords where they were using swords charge em to us each eye of swords slice on to dice seriously go back you know into the medieval period Germany in the medieval period was ultra-chad with cause they're just swords everywhere the burgers parts of the militia yeah the burgers there was a legal requirement to own a sword in the Holy Roman Empire during the medieval period yeah you're required to have a sword you were required to own a sword because citizens of towns were parts of the militia and so you had a stick and you broke it and made it sharp what was really interesting the penalties in breaking the law like the drunkenness or wife-beating stuff like that was a withdrawal of your right to carry and own your sword it was a responsibility that you had to do it because you're part of the militia but it was also a privilege that they would take away from you as punishments like you don't deserve a sword because you misbehave shame on you but yeah how awesome is that legal requirements like if you didn't own a sword you would actually get penalized under the law and find if you for not being honorably armed you could escape that fine if you beat your wife that's what I gathered from your instructions there exactly it's like well I don't want to own a sword so I just slap my wife with it and then it's like they end to your house like there's no sword here and you just punch your wife it's fine I'm not supposed to we don't endorse punching wife here we're saying this is an example of what this is an example of tyranny that's what we highlight tyranny exactly all right let's continue shall we oh god oh I envy you somebody's not in this group apparently let me refresh oh no they heard what you said why would they come for you first shouldn't they come for him oh no no no see eebies are so devious stuff like that they'll attack the sympathizers first because they're the weakest so I'm sorry for you well I'd like to see I got a lot of goo here I got a lot of goo so the goo is a weapon I got many types of goose there's certain utility to the goo that I think would benefit me if the emus were to attack but it's weird that you say I've got lots of goo to like be accountable and we have no idea what the goo even does it's like saying I got lots of shrooms yeah I don't have no idea what the goo does I'm just saying that the goo is effective combating emus at least some of it is apparently not your internet though well sure but the internet isn't made out of my goo if it was then oh boy that would be some hyper fast connections between um why haven't you set that up I don't know the government they're just not on board well if you don't tell them what the goo is they probably won't be there that's gonna stop them hey luck alright just you gotta trust in the goo okay and goo we trust there we go now it's playing alright we stop them don't worry I want the dog Florence Pugh kinda outshines pretty much everyone anyways everybody is revealing Florence Pugh is the one that dominates doesn't bruise me when she's like most of the time just doing the most normal acting ever it is it is shockingly normal for a character who should not be believing normally at all I also think it's like a trend they're shilling the replacement yeah yeah a little bit they're giving her more shit to do than the actual character in the movie the examples I gave in the video the joke she makes about the posing the cry she does in the family meetup and then the last bit of the end where she does the head thing with this guy those three are just what they think about and then like she was incredible in the whole film you're like was she though are you sure well I liked her but that was like because they didn't give Natasha so much to do like she teared up she did a bit she was here here and there it's fine so she had a beard she was sad when she had to fight the task mistress yeah that was amazing is it vice or wise I've always said wise like but I've never I've heard more than one person now say vice so now I don't know wait wait wait vice it could be no is there a way to find out well how does she pronounce it that's what I want to know I guess right that's well it's like let me see tough unshakable assassin with archetypal sweet naive little sister no no it doesn't make sense it is bizarre we are rewarding the actress for not like having a completed character but rather playing too that's exactly what I said in the video she plays two characters and she plays them just fine if not very well at certain points but she's not one person in this fucking movie because she can't be because that wouldn't be marketable or yeah no we got a fast tracker she's got to be relatable she's got to be fun she's also got to be a badass with a cold history that gives her this very meaningful history you know oh okay I can't where are you gonna go I don't know it was more like an invitation to get your room and kill dracoff yeah that sounds like a lot of work did you censor your own movie hmm he did he censor shit oh he might have it like jumped for me I do you believe he did I don't know man this entire sit down heart to heart is moving no but fine what can you do it's like he finds it moving okay nice I guess it's also like it looks so fake you're not really there you know actually that right you just find a patio to sit down in like fuck me it is a weird one it's only craft to film making man I really do think like this pushed me past the line of like being like yeah they did this just in case they made change and I'm like I mean okay but like at this point why isn't it just a green screen then like just everything you know why have actors just dji just animate the whole thing what if you wanted to change the chairs the drinks or the fucking food on the table make it all green fuck it as opposed to just right now wait there's people in chat saying neve as in like go back neve what did he say neve at some point did all of us miss the subtitle let's go everyone have a look see just for you chat I don't know it was more like an invitation to go to the red room this is probably not what they were referring to break off yeah that sounds oh you spelt naive wrong it depends on where you said naive oh that was earlier right when he was talking about how she was naive sister you got skipped over sweet neve sweet neve neat neat not what what happened there it means the misspelling right but you got two things wrong there yeah yeah he did just a flat out error not a typo yeah maybe he thought that's the right spelling of naive why did he check maybe this is so you spelled right I feel like he must have spelt the word naive enough to know maybe you're right yeah maybe you actually thought that's how you spell naive it's weird to me because you see that word come up a lot it's quite common yeah it's coming off that's why I could misspelling he spelled it n-i-e-v-e mhm that is bizarre I guess phonetically if you I guess like if you don't give a shit about your video and you don't check the spelling of the subtitles that are prominent throughout your whole thing and you don't see the squiggly red line well so well there's a squiggly red line in Vegas so that might be well yeah but he would have written presumably he wouldn't have written this in Vegas so it would be a weird process by now I think by now he would have had something no way he scripts in Vegas well I mean he's got like like he's got a no that's not what I meant I meant like a preset like I would usually type it out again a preset but like yeah so whatever weird processing thing that he wrote this in originally the first draft you'd think it would have put a red line under that or just auto corrected it and you know what even if he's using something that is so archaic it doesn't even have that in it somehow you could then copy and paste it all into literally fucking like a YouTube comment section and it would show him what things are misspelled right it's a bit strange but whatever it's you think it's a bit like not ironic I guess it would be I guess like super appropriate that of all the words you misspell it's naive but like it's naive of him to think that's how naive is spelt kind of I feel like like how naive that you don't spell check the subtitle of your video I don't think that works at all it has to be something else you gotta figure out I feel like you can go on to something but I don't think that was the naive part because naive means showing a lack of experience wisdom judgment that's naive so a lack of wisdom adjustment I feel like that's to check the spelling of your well I'd be fine with Rags categorizing as naive I'd also think arrogant would be fine if we categorized it as he's like I don't need to spelljack my work yeah because arrogant is underneath a naive umbrella in a way arrogant's just more specific but I guess there's a level of irony there I'd have to say a level it's not quite intelligent it would be let's see here's the thing intelligent I feel is ironic but I feel like naive that would be it wouldn't be irony because it would line up immediately like it wouldn't be irony if that makes sense I feel like there's naive when he's naive about the spelling of the word naive well I I think in that sense it's ironic but he's we got layers that's the thing there's layers to this it is it is not ironic in one way but it is ironic in another way so him calling her naive when he is being naive that's irony and the actual misspelling of naive when he is being naive to misspell that word that isn't ironic that is appropriate they're not appropriate but I don't know what's hilarious I gotta google it what is the opposite of irony uh is it serendipitous or serendipitous I don't know since uh I don't actually know I am but there's a lot here I'm on wordhippo.com right now under the antonyms tab of course let me go I'll try the one I normally use irony synonyms let's go with it only to synonyms and definitions so does it have incidents serious compliment flattery approval no no this is apparently more difficult to find an answer let's go to quora congruity so yeah because I guess if irony is the incongruity between like an intention and a result of knowledge then you can have like dramatic irony right that's an incongruity between meta and internal like knowledge in a lot of ways um so I guess that means that congruity could be a an antonym to irony hmm uh so you could have the opposite let's see so I guess someone here is saying that because it could be literality because it's because if the irony represents an incongruity in something then I guess their logic is that like the opposite of opposite is just the thing itself um but I don't know I like I like inc what was it congruity congruity is the opposite of irony oh yeah I guess that follows yeah yeah so it is simultaneously his misspelling of naive is both ironic in one sense and I guess tragically congruous in another tragically tragic tragic congruity did I ever tell you the tragedy of dot congruity the ironic the ironic that was a fun tangent let's press on yeah that sounds like a lot of work yep you have low standards in your pathetic not getting one last call to adventure this is not her last call to adventure one last call to adventure does he forget how does he forget she's got a lot she's got a shit ton of adventures left well well remember what his first win was it was about the fontan keeping with civil war recognizing that this takes place during civil war so how cool so he acknowledges that but simultaneously he must be acknowledging it in matter like it's her last adventure in release but then he should there's less time between iron man two and this than there is between this and endgame six years versus seven she's actually got more adventures than less to go on this is the midway again he has to be referring to it in terms of the audience I guess yeah yeah which is dumb whatever because it's just but whatever it's fine I knew it I knew it it's so cool right what the fuck was that noise this is faker than a cinema wins laugh alright what is that what is that what is that it's creepy it's creepy it's like a koala laughing it's not like a koala laughing right that fast koala laughing would be like creepy koal man koalas have a creepy koal their laugh would be something like I don't know wait are you writing this in for yourself is it a fake laugh you got to put that in for yourself I want to hear your guys fake laughs go on freaky give us a fake laugh oh shit are we grating the fakeness on how genuine it sounds genuine the fakeness is on how we want it to sound real but you need to but we're not actually laughing over the top laughter it needs to be over the top laughter and we'll rate it on how real it sounds but it needs to be very over the top dude this is like this feels challenging because I'm trying to figure out do I want it to be super intense or do I want to doll it back am I trying to be convincing or am I trying to be entertaining well here's the thing freaky this is like this is like how we rate movies it's like high dives in the olympics where the higher the skill you go the more difficult it is to pull off but the greater the score can be do you want to play it safe for an easier low number or do you want to risk it for a potentially high number you know what someone else go first well I don't mind going for it so just do a fake laugh is the challenge here a fake laugh that's convincing the thing is I almost characterize fake laugh is just they lack any sort of passion and spontaneity they're always just they're very planned and simplistic that one was perfect like what the fuck is that and you're like that's my laugh you're like no it's not that's not your laugh you're lying to me with your fake laugh yeah you're a liar you lied to me with the laugh now you're lying about the lie you're just making a lies sandwich so yeah I guess that's mine alright who's next Mahler did it it's when he made the noises that resemble the fake laugh those weird noises that work how did you blank that part out I blanked out I must have had a strike go again I was just trying to repeat what he did which was we want it to be convincing a convincing fake laugh you didn't even notice it the first time I must have been convincing cause Chad didn't even hear it the first time well and also this isn't fair because I know what Mahler's like laughs sound like you know and in Fringies too so for me I know because we've hung out for so long not to mention the fact that this format is literally do a fake laugh it's being made very clear that that's what we're doing yeah Chad telling me my fake laugh sounds fake what the fuck I thought we were going for like a fake laugh a real fake laugh it sounded real so we could make it convincing well then here you go yeah okay hang on so I don't want to go too loud what does that have to do with anything alright ready over the top right it'll be like that's convincing that's pretty good that's not too bad yeah depending on how that blends into like a sentence or something I think that's pretty I could believe it being a real laugh depending on where it was placed exactly is that all gold to make a fake laugh sound real that was the gold why wouldn't I just do a real laugh at that point because then it just depends because that's a skill just think about something funny well that's the thing I know how I laugh and I can recreate think about the koala brains and laugh yeah see now I'm already thinking about things that are funny because it makes it easier what a pointless challenge like try to laugh real but fake I don't think it's pointless because what what Shad is trying to point out is that somehow we can laugh but cinema wins can't even pretend this is my point like I've been filming videos where I I think I did it with the double flail crap video right where I need to actually film a take where I'm laughing at something to try to emphasize the ridiculousness of it and I need to choose to laugh and I just kind of trigger oh wait was that what you were asked to do this whole time was to try and do a convincing laugh but fake I just want to be freaking saying the whole time I thought you were telling us to do a fake laugh that is what he says no no no but that's you know how words work I thought you were trying to say recreate a false laugh Shad has said many times was to detail exactly what he was wanting that's what words do literally both of those things could be mean I mean that's literally what I thought he meant after listening to someone clearly fake laugh I thought he wanted us to do fake laughs you understand yeah but that can mean two things how are you not getting that that you wanted fake laughs that's like the thing I've been joking about this whole fucking conversation was how those words put together do a real fake laugh do a fake real laugh those can mean both what the fuck I but I said try and make it sound convincing like you yeah convincing that it's something that you would have done to fake a laugh that's the whole point that's why when you like I that's when you said you laugh saying it's convincing is to distinguish it between an obviously fake laugh that is laughing with the intention of sounding fake again you'd be like convince me that you're doing a fake laugh do you understand he said convince him that your laugh is genuine yes that genuinely fake that's the problem these words are right next to each other I don't know what you assume I'm lying like that's literally what I thought you meant that's why I did a fake laugh I literally did a fake laugh I'm not assuming that you're lying it just seems like you totally misunderstood well okay in that case why didn't you call me out when I did the obviously fake laugh well I'm trying to yeah the only person who didn't hear it was Shad so he would have called me out but you guys didn't I tried to call you out Shad I'm saying you would have you didn't hear it rags and free didn't call it out and I did an obviously fake laugh so why didn't you call it out because you said like it is you were trying to recreate someone else I literally went ha ha ha ha like is that how you think I laugh I know that you did that was what you did and that's what I so how am I the one that's confused when that wasn't called out in any way I called it out when I said I didn't hear it I said I didn't hear the real laugh you said no I did laugh Shad you're in the clear because you didn't hear it it's the others that are not even clear I did hear it but I I heard the fake laugh and then I said I didn't hear the real laugh you said I thought you were referring to the real authentic one that was supposed to say I'm real authentic and I said I didn't hear it and you said you did and then I said I must have had a stroke I was referring because I was expecting that you did it that's why this whole time I thought you wanted me to make a fake laugh genuinely wait didn't afterwards didn't we explicitly say like oh but now like the real one or am I totally no because I was done rags said he's done his laugh oh okay so I get I don't get why you and rags didn't pull me out for like you know you're not doing a real laugh more you're doing a fake one no but that was what I just asked did we wasn't it like immediately afterwards that it was to do with heads why I was so confused are you sure 100% because rags said to Shad he's done the laugh you didn't say do another one I didn't say that no okay well do you I guess you just that's what I'm asking you know what I said because I don't remember what I said well then wait if rags said that why wouldn't you have cut him off to say no he hasn't done it didn't Shad immediately say something after that well Shad was just talking about you wanted me to do it again because he didn't hear it okay but I mean if you already asked that then yeah but that's a different complaint he's saying he didn't hear it you'll say yeah I'm guessing that that means I didn't actually I'm just satisfied because like my confusion wasn't I wasn't tin foiling here like I was tricked he said you were tin foiling no all of you were you're all like no you're wrong you misunderstood it it's like I have plenty of reason to that's not tin foiling we thought that you misunderstood yeah I was a tin foiling why are you getting her on tin foiling that's not really important you said that we were tin foiling you said that I was I've never heard tin foiling as a term okay yeah I'll help you out so like I've generated this from craziness and that everyone's got the right idea but I got the wrong word somehow I must have been I must have been making a conspiracy theory title some shit I don't know sure but none of us ever said that like legitimately it was that we thought no you never said tin foiling that's fine you got me there I never did that either no you're just like okay okay can we just like fake real real fake laugh now if that's what Chad wants yes just do that the tin foiling gets to just hang in the air alright yeah the fuck yeah absolutely because I wasn't tin foiling at all I was right I never said that you were tin foiling that's my point it doesn't have to be the literal word story about it it's just a general term oh okay it doesn't have to be the literal words yes forget not every word I say is meant to be understood literally yes we were figuratively tin foiling yeah I don't even know what that is yeah I don't know what that is like representative but not 100% we were sort so we were sort of tin foiling no not you me oh you were tin foiling we didn't say like you actually you stumbled into it tin foiling but it wasn't your attention all that I was making it up either way were you were you were you potatoing and you tin foiled yourself were you clad rapping clad clad rapping I'm not sure what a clad is what is a clad rap you know it's The One that is you can see through 20 you mean climbing bread no no just crook well yeah in Australia we have a brand called glad rap not yeah we have glad as a brand so glad if you can bind glad which makes cling rap glad cling clad clad probably happen that might be what would happen. You could have been referring to both, but wanting to save syllables yet ironically led to a longer discussion. Which means you could be playing the long game if this object comes up in conversation enough times to justify this initial clarification, then it will eventually pay off and save time far down the road. However, ironically, by the time that happens, we will have forgotten the portmanteau and you'll have to explain it to us again. Yeah, but fortunately, we don't have to worry about that because we didn't waste any time on that. No. Yeah, good thing we did it. Sorry, I'm still waiting for my genuine fake laughs. Okay, want me to go first? Let's just get it over with. Yes, go we can worry. Let's do it. Let's do it. I just have to reimagine this whole conversation. That's it. I'm good. Wait, what was it? I thought nothing came through. We didn't hear a thing. Am I getting like, or is this a joke? No, we're not all simultaneously gaslighting, I swear. Are you serious? You didn't hear me laugh? Hang on, we can worry. Are you kidding me right now? Just go and chat this boy shitting me right now. The proof is in the stream. The proof is in the stream. I'm really a chat right now. You could have just laughed again. The proof is in the stream. You could have just laughed again and all this time. Where are you gaslighting? The proof is in the stream. Okay, you can go back. Oh, that's not even gaslighting. We just said we couldn't hear you. Why are you guys laughing? Do you want me to laugh again? Yeah, yeah. If our complaint is that we couldn't hear you, then we would. Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, that was our complaint. That, yeah, is that it didn't come through the mic. You really want me, you really want my high pitch in your ears. Is that why are you really sure you want to do that? Well, that's the point of this otherwise. Are you kidding me right now? Maybe your microphone might be, you might be peeking in your microphone and it cuts it out. Could you record this locally and then send the file to us in Discord? There you go. Otherwise, otherwise, there's no proof that you did it. You could just be trying to punk us. We can worry. Yeah, how do we know that you're not trying to gaslight all of us? It's thinking that. Are you tinfoiling us? Is someone lit a match and you have to load with all this? It's a double tinfoil reversal. Double tinfoil reversal. That's like a move on the high bar. No, fake laugh. You wanted to do it again. Fake laugh again. Fake laugh. Oh, my God. I, like I said, I think it's peeking or something on the microphone and it's cutting it out. Yeah. Are you gasing me as Chad pointed out? When Chad did it, it cut out a little bit of it at one point. I think it's because Discord actually sometimes it's like, is that a human or is that something else? Maybe you need to scoot away from the mic so it doesn't peek, but it also picks it up if it's loud enough. Well, I mean, at least we have confirmation from Discord that- Or we could just move on with the video. We can worry. I really wanted to hear the fake laugh. Well, here's the thing. How about, I've got an idea. We can combine both of these ideas, right? All right. A good bit of fakery, right, is all in the timing in the presence. So let's continue with the video and we'll all squeeze in our fake laughs. Oh, and once it's done, call it out. Like a few seconds later is that was my fake one, by the way. If nobody says anything. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. Let's do it. All right. Well, Florence Pugh is a win. That's what we're on. So you could laugh at that, theoretically, but it could also be fake. Let's get this out. Pugh is always a win. And you can put so much stuff in it. Always, really? Always. Oh, I beg your pardon, Serene. Clearly, Luke would have a problem with Serena. Also weird that he keeps getting involved with the abused and trauma. Serena? Who's Serena? Luke with Serena. What are we? Who's Serena? Oh, I'm sorry. Is it a reference to some other show with this actor starred in? Is that the idea? Probably, probably. Yeah. It is Serena Alexandra, Serena Anastasia, Serena Maria Federadovna, Serena Anoval, Serena Catherine, Serena Elizabeth. Try Serena Florence Pugh. See if that brings up anything. Serena Pugh? No. Like a TV show or movie or anything? Now there's a, it's saying, do you mean Serena Pugh or Serena Pugh? But probably not. So Serena, what now? Who's the actor for Mason? One sec. I'm going to reverse engineer this or maybe regular engineer. Rake Mason played by O.T. Fagbini. Is that seriously his name? Oh, sorry. Fagbenly, Fagbenly. Did you just say Fagbenly? That's, hey, look, I didn't name him. That's a good thing to call Benly a fag. His first name is O.T. with a dad? I don't know. Oh, his name is, oh, he's got, he's got a, oh, his name is. This is the weirdest one ever. So his name, his, all right, so his name, holy shit. His name is Ola Tunday, Ola Teju, Ola, Ola Lorem. That's his, those are three names. No, no, no, no, his, his, his rapper name is over the top, Fagbenly. No, I, right now, his rapper name isn't his real name. I'm trying to figure out his real name. You said, no, no, no, his rapper. So he is a rapper. I thought that was like a joke. Or is he not? It says he is an actor, screenwriter, songwriter, and director. It does not say that he's a rapper. I don't know where that came from at all. I'm assuming it was a joke. We can worry it was vacant. Ah, I guess so, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't worry it's O.T. It's O.T. a rapper name. And so Luke, Luke Bancol or Bancolay is the, is the character he plays in the Handmaid's Tale. There you go. All right. Okay. And is she in the Handmaid's Tale? Well, the Handmaid's Tale has. Oh, wait. No, it's all right. I'm swimming in it, sir. Okay. There you go. Oh, you don't have to be. So you guys discuss that. I'll be back in a moment. Okay. All right. Yeah, meta, meta commentary. That deserves a win point because it's recent. Because he chose, yeah. I mean, yeah, it'll just be a win. Hey, look, there's this weird connection kind of, if you think about it, great. Do you reckon he's going to mention all the prison deaths? I think not. No problem. Are you even going to make it that far? We are. Maybe, maybe he's going to skip it. Well, remember that's next. That's like right after this scene. So, oh, you mean like, will he skip over? That's kind of what I'm asking. Do you think he'll address it or not? Maybe he'll go, oh, it's a family moment. He'll ignore the whole deal sequence. Hey, Rags, what happens now? We're going to play. Are you ready? I am ready. Yeah. Boom. You can believe it. What ties women? What's your deal? Pretty sure that's so relic for love and it's got to be Molina, right? And those two are Natalya. Google Translate says it's Helena, but it sounds like it's pronounced Yelena. Also, the collarbone says Lady Luck, which for the record, with just one letter wrong. I'm guessing this is all worth saying. It's great. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I just figured out the trivia. He's, no, he's trying to copy cinema sins when he points out irrelevant or out of place things in the background or if he reads the actual articles of his papers that are put down and points out wrong dates and things. And yeah, you can disingenuously place ironic criticism on movies by pointing out things that people don't really pay attention to and say, it's wrong. It's got the wrong date. But in this one, he's pointing out things that actually make sense in the thing, but it's not really. Well, I'd be on board with that if, if not for the fact that his relationship to them is garbage. Yeah. The idea is like, look, he's tattooed them on him. Makes no sense that he would have the tattoos. Yeah. It would make more sense from tattoo his fucking self on him, which he has on his back, I think, right? Captain America. Some. Yeah. Like, I don't consider this a good detail because it just makes me confused about him. Who do I, which I use my ultimate genius to ascertain was not correct. I don't believe your ability to find out what the Russian is on these. I actually would probably err on the side of the movie. Got it right. Because if you just flat out, phonetically Google the names, like, then it'll be different because names are often similar in languages, but they will not be always the same, especially if one of them might be the native language of that name. And we're used to saying it a different way. He probably did one Google and then he was like, it works. And then there's like, okay. Like one and like John and one. Yeah. They're not similar. It's the same name. Seriously, Joshua, right? That comes from Jeshua or Jesu, which actually is a Hebrew name for Jesus. And so, um, yeah. Names can change pronunciation through languages quite dramatically. Absolutely. Left hopper at Russian prison camp? Brutal. Even for you, 11. Oh, strange as things reference. Oh, dang. Yeah, I don't. It's a win. Yeah, it's a win. Anyway, this shield, you know, that carries with him like a precious baby blanket. Where's the lie? But to be fair, it did save him. It's a weapon. It's also a shield. Yeah, it's, I mean, yeah. It did save him from folding out that window, that one. What are we, what are we doing? No, it's, and his whole, the context of the conversation is a lie because he's talking about how he fought Captain America. And this is, and this is when the other guy said, you, Captain America, fought out in the 2000s or something. He's saying as cinema wins that, yeah, it's true. He does treat that shield as a baby blanket. It's like, what, no? He uses it exact. It's like saying all the people with guns treat their guns as baby blankets. Like, we'll know that they use them as guns. It's a tool. Yeah. I mean, in any capacity that he would have met Captain America, he would have the shield. And that's his weapon. So he would be very serious about keeping it handy. It's about as like insightful as a comment as like, you treat your clothes like a baby blanket. And I'm like, I wear that. Yeah, I like them. Yeah, I do. You protect me from the natural things. Yes. From falling out with that one time. Yes. That is the one time the field has been pretty useful. Yep. That's the only time. All right. All right. Well, that was a win. Okay. That was a win. Okay. Okay. Is he suggesting that because Cap helped himself when he fell out of a window of a building with the shield that him taking the shield off him and pushing him out of a window, that does he think that's a reference? So I just don't follow that as a win, I guess. So maybe they're saying that there aren't two timelines and the cap that Alexi fought was the one that stayed with Peggy. No, people have said this in my comment section. No, history would change completely if he was fucking with it like that much. He has to literally like stay in Peggy's house and then go to the supermarket with a fucking like a bar clover on to make sure no one recognizes him. And then he'll have other problems to deal with at that point. Honestly, though, it doesn't matter. Him being there means it's a separate timeline because it can't be the one without him being there. Like people legitimately think that's a great little like he went back in time and just stayed. It's like, no, no, no, no. With how they've explained it, that's a different timeline. So the reality is, is that scene breaks in game? Like that scene destroys it. What whatever you've said of sense you thought there was in the time travel, it just it breaks. It completely breaks in half. Well, I mean, it depends how they try and explain it. He's like, nah, there's no way. What, you think he's not lying? You think he actually fought Captain America? Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. I'm getting confused. I thought we're talking about the time travel thing. So wait, because I. All right. What are you? What are you saying? There's multiple ways to explain his comment that he fought. Oh, OK. Yeah. All right. He's lying. And he's lying. One could be lying or he ran across the black super soldier who I don't know was wearing Captain America uniform at the time. They wouldn't have been Captain America. He wouldn't have been someone else. Yeah. So he wouldn't have been Steve Rogers. That would be like that would have been unless unless he wants the glory and is lying that it was Steve. Well, so at that point, he's still lying. He's still coming back. But it's not lying as much as he fought no one and is making up an entire battle. He's like, oh, I fought a super soldier from America. So it's quite a scenario. Well, yeah, some people were like, was it Isaiah Bradley? It was like Isaiah didn't have a shield, did he? And then he's also black. There's no way that he had a shield, right? Because they didn't have enough vibranium unless it was just like not a vibranium shield, I guess. Which would be strange. Like, well, it was like you've lost the utility of it. If you don't have a vibranium shield, isn't the whole point. And if he was out doing missions with a shield with people mistaking him from Captain America, it's like, how did this never come up? Exactly. Oh, that's a good point. He would have been on multiple missions unless he just, well, as we know, he did go on multiple missions. Well, he killed everybody, baby. Like that stuff. It was like the only way that it works. Or it was just John Walker 1.0 that we haven't heard about yet. It was a John Walker 1.0 we haven't heard about yet. I mean, what do you think is the actual Lance, buddy? Like, what do you really think? Jesus Christ, people. Cardi just have been lying. Why can't he just be lying? He's lying to fellow inmates to make himself seem extra tough. He's lying very poorly, but, you know. Yeah. Yeah, that's my criticism of it. It's a stupid lie. But at the same time, like, why are we like, maybe there's this whole of the Captain America we know nothing about, neither does the world. You're like, oh, okay. Let's just assume that. Yeah, why is that the explanation? Why not just him lying? I agree. Yeah. Yeah. Bloody hell. Yeah. You're not the poor one. Look at the big bear. His name is Ursa, and you're calling him a big bear? Something tells me you might have some Ursa. Yeah, this is the thing that I think I let. Major problems. So he's a reference to a comic character. He's a mutant, which is why everyone's worried, actually. It's like, uh-oh. Major problems. I can see why anyone would be called. I could see why a big guy would be called bear. Well, but if you get it, though, it's like, he's a bear. His mutant powers to become a bear, I think, or something. So that's why everyone's like, oh, they're giving us clues. Clues, clues, clues, clues, clues. Much like when they showed the devil sort of stained glass thing. Everyone's like, Mephisto, Mephisto. And then it wasn't, you know, like Mephisto's in one vision. No, he's not. And he might be in something eventually. Please give us Mephisto. Don't worry. Don't worry. Don't get him. Yeah, they'll bring him in. You'll all cheer, and then he'll be shit. And you'll be like, I wish they never did Mephisto. And then it's like, well, no, but hey, Dr. Doom. Yeah, Dr. Doom. Dr. Doom, I wish they never did Dr. Doom. Blackness. Yeah, I wish they never did Blackness. Oh, they fucked both of them up, oh, shit. Who's left, Magneto? Oh, no. Actually, no. Namor, he's on his way. He's definitely on his way. Who else is coming? Just all of it. All of it to get rid of. Oh, I mean, a fantastic four on the way. Oh, yeah, yeah. Sorry, X people are on their way. X people. Oh, yeah. There was that interview where it's like, why would we call them X men anymore? There were women on the team. It's like, I didn't realize that. It's people kind. X people. X people. X people. God damn it. It's so valuable. It's time to bring to it. Expressions. X women. Two. Lemons. Based on that wrist. Wow, tattoos of Lenin, Carl Marx on his knuckles. I guess my real... What's this guy's ethos? Political wins. Come for the obvious. Easter eggs. Stay for the satirical political. What's that? He's from the fucking Soviet Union. You dipshit. Holy fuck. And where's the dick are you? Excuse me also. Just saying that, oh, Carl Marx. Commentary. That's not fucking commentary. That's not commentary. Yeah, I already... What, you think you have George fucking Washington as a tattoo? That's political commentary. That political commentary. The political ideologies the tattoos are revealing aren't too far removed from the political ideologies of the actor playing the role. Hey, how about that one for commentary? Well, is he saying that it's too obvious what his political leanings are? No, I think you're giving him far too much credit. But why would he say it's a win, then, if it's too obvious? Yeah. So I can never answer that question for any of these... Yeah, I agree with indigo gaming. It's like cinema things. It's like, oh, I know just the thing. Call it a win. That's the point, thank you. I noticed something, yeah. Yeah. Well, it's very confusing, because if we cut out everything he says after the question, right, and he just said, what's this guy's ethos? It could be like, oh, I get it, because it's so obvious that he supports Karl Marx. And, okay. Sure, but how is that satirical? He wouldn't be allowed to. Well, so I was going to say, if we agree on that, and then we read the rest, political wins come for the obvious Easter eggs, stay for the satirical political commentary. I have no idea what he means by this. Yeah, you're not making comments. I know who that person is. I guess I don't understand. Isn't an Easter egg that a Soviet super soldier has Soviet things like tattooed on himself? Is that an Easter egg, or is that just part of his character? Second of all, where's the satire? What are you satirizing? Yeah, exactly. I don't know. He wouldn't be allowed to have. He wouldn't satirize it. Hey, look, he's got Marx on him. That's political commentary. That's satirical. That's funny. This is about equivalent to him saying, oh, look, communist flag. Political commentary. Well, the Red Guardian, he's got a red outfit and he's part of the Soviet Union, which uses red a lot. I feel like the easy. I don't know if Captain America is like, wow, he's got like he's got the the star, you know, red, white and blue on his shield. What's his ethos state for the political satirical political commentaries? Like, what is that? Like, you haven't done anything. I don't know. You haven't said anything. There's no satire here. There's no commentary either. Oh, it doesn't. It's not even. And he did give it a win. He noticed that. I noticed an object commentary. Those political lines come for the obvious. Easter eggs stay for the satirical political commentary. Okay. Come up and sign. Oh, it seems unwarr... No. What? Come up and sit for someone. Satirical. I got one. Satirical political commentaries like, oh, look, a picture of Karl Marx. They really want to share that ideology. They should have shared the antique. It's a bull instead. Ha, ha. Is that... Yeah, sorry. I'm still stopping this. Satirical political commentary? Wait, sorry. My mind is like, what did these guys do to this guy? What did they do to him? They ate the food that was sent for him. So they come up and sit for a glass window. Like, that's your come off. Well, and look what he says. I know it seems unwarranted, but you eat a man's dessert. You get defenestrated as in pulled through... Well, tossed through a window. Defenestrated as in you get pulled through a window by a super soldier and possibly die. Like if you land really badly on your neck. I know it seems unwarranted. It is unwarranted. Just is, yeah. This is the thing. He's... So he's commenting on the morality of this. Will he comment on the morality of what happens next? That's not a win. Yeah, because when we talk about come off that. So, you know, these two guys, they ate some food. That was pretty bad. These people, they did nothing and they got buried on the snow. What in the world? Desserts, you get defenestrated. In Soviet Russia, door opens you. That doesn't even make sense. That doesn't make sense. He opened the door. It doesn't exist. That doesn't kick his face in. Yeah, this doesn't make sense. That would work if he tried to ram the door and then just smacked into his face. It'd be funnier if the door opened and then he fell onto the ground. It's like, ha ha, I have a sentient door and I hate you. Yeah, or there's an explosion on the other side and the door breaks off his hinges and slams right into him. And it's like the door opens you. That's closer, but he opens the door. You say in Soviet Russia, door opens you. That doesn't make any fucking sense. No, he opened the door. Because we literally saw it. In Soviet Russia, super soldier opens door. What the hell? It's just because it's Russia. That's it. It's just Russia. That didn't work. I don't think I'm doing this joke right. Oh my God. He actually... Why did you do it? We jumped it in against ourselves. I don't think we jumped the gun. We coveted it just like he did. We had the exact same commentary he did. I guess the thing is that he still kept it in. That's the problem. Why did you keep it in? What the fuck? Because smaller, he has to make the sweet 15-minute mark. So that's why you put the joke in. This is the equivalent of us pointing something out that's bad in a movie, and then a character goes, wait, that doesn't make sense. And they carry on. It's like, so... Okay. Yeah, didn't make sense. I agree. Yeah, it just lab shaded his own video. I guess he really wanted to keep it in. I like that he really wanted it in there. Yeah, it's like, I know it doesn't make sense, but I want it. I want it in my video. The cynical part of me is just like, he put it in even though he wrote it down, he knew the joke didn't make sense. Is that the joke? Do you think he's like, it's funny that it doesn't make sense? People will laugh at that. Oh, that's also, that's also a plus. The people who would laugh at that joke, I don't want in my audience. I just sit here confused and then like, oh, he realized it didn't make sense too. Okay. Nice. I'm doing this joke right. Move your ass, Super Soldier. Engagement. You haven't done any joke right. None of them are funny. Encouragement. Encouragement gets a counter, really? So the problem is they don't tell him where to go. They just let him stand around for ages. It's not really encouraging, is it? He's really trying to copy CinemaSins, and as, you know, bad or good, you want to criticize CinemaSins for, is doing a much worse job than CinemaSins. It's like, at least when CinemaSins has those one line commentary, sometimes there's a bit of an articumor, where this one, it's just, it's all missing. Yeah. It's all over the space. Now that's a superhero landing. Shut the fuck up. Well, there you go. Now you got more sampling for the fake laugh contest. Wow, no way. That was already, I've been doing fake laughs. Yeah, you've already done that. All I'm trying to do is repeat his laugh. His fake laughs have all been different, by the way. He's trying to sound real. Like, they're so obviously fake, yet he's put it in, because I think he thinks it's convincing. I was just... I mean, his fake laughs have been different, because they're not his laughs. He's just trying to create a laugh. It's like Tommy Wiseau's laugh in the room, right? He does that, doesn't he? I am laughing. What a funny story, Mark. Yeah, that's top notch. What a funny story cinema wins. Now that's a superhero landing. More encouragement. Oh, my... Oh, man. Did she kill me? Is she laughing? What is this? He's laughing. Oh, my God. Why is... How is Florence Pugh's delivery so perfect every time? Keep laughing, buddy. We're about to get a massacre. Keep laughing. Is this a parody? Like, oh, isn't she wonderful? Yeah, it does seem... Darn, darn, amazing. He's Aunt Self-assuredness. Aunt Self-assuredness. Perfect every time. All right, here comes your challenge as a critic. Can you do it? Can you acknowledge what happens here? Don't high-top me and tell me it's about my bad faith interpretation, okay? Priorities. All right. Oh, Kite, look, he's about to show it. Let's see. Can he do it? You know what? With that commentary, he's getting a little bit closer because it's almost like he's saying... She's prioritizing how cool it would be to die that way versus the gravity of the situation. Could be that we're getting somewhere. There's some soul here, maybe. Yeah, he almost was saying it in an ironic way, saying your priorities are messed up, to try to figure out the incongruity of it. We would say her priorities are messed up because she's not concerned about the potential of damage this is going to deal to the people below, but he might be saying she's fucking up because she should be worrying about getting out of there. Yeah. Hmm, we'll have to find out. We'll see. Wait, what magical blue energy thing were they hiding in there? Wow. Is that a cinemasins or...? I don't even know. No, that was a wind. That was a wind. That was a wind. The wind blue light is a wind. What? Okay, I saw a weird blue light and I clapped. What the fuck? Is a weird blue light? Wind. What's that blue there? Wind. I guess that's a wind. Oh my god. Dude, why is that a... Help me. Why is that a wind? Because he noticed it, Moller. It's a cinema thing. I... It's not fair. So, yeah. If there's one thing it's good at, it's hanging onto aircraft as it ascends. Okay, so what we aren't talking about right now. Well, yeah, we might have skipped it. We'll have to see. Did you do a time of the month? I don't get my period. I don't have a uterus. Moreover, if that's what happens when the red room... I think we have skipped it. Yeah, you're probably right. That's it. Okay. Yeah, that's exactly... But here's your second test. What are you gonna say about this? All right, let's see. It gives you an involuntary hysterectomy. They just get right in there and they drop them all away. I'm just gonna pause for the sake of us. Honestly, a frank conversation about hysterectomies and hymns. A frank conversation. Why are you laughing again? Frank's conversation. I ran ahead. The frank about... In the MCU signed me up. A frank conversation about hysterectomies in the MCU. Wow. This... That's so creepy. It's like... What in the world? What the fuck am I listening to? Hysterectomies and uterus and... What the fuck? What? Yeah, this is like... That sounds so creepy. That's the yogurt in it. That's so stupid. I can't even make a joke about it. It's so fucked up. What is this? You want conversations about hysterectomies in the MCU? Why? But also the... It's signed me up. It's also gonna be leveled. Like why? It's... This is apparently a frank conversation. This conversation. No, it's a joking... It's not a frank conversation. It's a joke. And it's not even a funny joke. And she should be really distraught about that. Like she makes a... It's downright tasteless. Yeah. I agree. Especially with how they've handled it previously. Fuckin... It's funny. Yeah. And to tell you, she's expressed that she's... She would have liked children, you know? It's something that she regrets. He feels abused and violated from what happened to her. And it's a joke now. But the thing is, there were so many things he could have said. And this is what he said. Yeah. I was not prepared for this. Sign me up. Okay. See you. You know what I love? Fuckin' hysterectomies. The conversation, man. The conversation. Especially the contract. The hysterectomy. I asked it against the last time Nat talked about it. All hush-hush. In the red room. Why do you... What do you mean, all hush-hush? Like they were trying... No, they're just dramatic. Yeah. It's like they're almost treating it with a sense of reverence and respect for how distraught and horrifying it was. It's not a joke. She says they sterilize you and she starts to tear up because we know what that means. Yeah. You don't need it to say they get right in there and they chop away all of it and then they pull it all out. Okay. Thanks for that. Trained. They sterilize you. It's honest. Sorry, you shouldn't be comparing to an actual storyteller story, but they're... This is not at all... Um... Yeah. This performance is honest and raw. I'm reading ahead, but why is it being comical? Like the thing... Oh, so he's complimenting the one in Black Widow. Yeah, he's by comparison to this. Like the... Yeah, okay, let us let this play for... I was about to say. So the Black Widow... The way that he handles it in Age of Ultron, Whedon, is really well done. This guy's saying that Black Widow has done better and this is his reason why. It's honest and raw and isn't scared of using the correct medical names, even while still being pretty tang comical, in a macabre kind. It's pretty tang comical. You fucking clap at anything, you seal. I can't believe that we've not only complimented all this time the roar is... what they're doing here, but he's also denigrated the prior seed at Age of Ultron as being too hush-hush. Yeah. Masterful. Yeah, and even like being inferior to this scene. That's amazing. Yeah, it's... I can't even make fun of that, just... What are we doing? Because like... The goal in both scenes is to get the information to the audience and then get the information of the event to the audience and how the characters feel about it. Nice and subtle. Like I say subtle in terms of how we got the information in Age of Ultron, and very clear how Natasha feels about it. In this scene, the information is delivered like a clumsy fucking idiot. Like it's all chopped out and pulled out lol. You're like, okay, you're thinking about how I should even feel about that, but then you've also got these two are like making jokes about it. So wait, do they... What do they think about... Florence Pugh has been able to deal with this as an adult, that like the ability to create life has been stolen from her, right? And this is this only recently, she should be able to really acknowledge that and deal with it. And she's already making jokes. It's like, damn. Like lol. I don't believe that. I'm sorry. Neither do I. I don't believe that. Yeah. Because it's bullshit, and the way you'd expect it to be dealt with is how it's dealt with. To show that, but... Well, some people use dark humorous coping mechanisms for traumatic events, but that's not what's coming across here. This is the guy that made it happen. There's no way she'll be joking about it with him. She would rip him to shreds over it. No with him. No with him. Yeah. Especially... I think Chad had the right word dismissive. It's like, you made this very important traumatic event, like a joke. It comes across like that. It's not like even a dark humor, like you're coping with the event. I get what you're also saying, Chad. But it doesn't come... Yeah, it doesn't come across like that, yeah. Yeah, there is no... I agree that you could make a context where you could make a joke about it. Well, the reason being, Chad, you cut out... Yeah, because they don't show any part of her actually showing true sorry and regret of it actually happening. It's only just a joke that she's throwing away. We never talk about it again. We never talk about it again. Yeah. This is her common tree and what happened to her. This is the extent of her common tree. And this is the man that encouraged them all to go into the program. And he doesn't even know this happened. There's so much here that could have been used for good storytelling. Instead, it's a quick joke and it's bizarre. Yeah. Yeah, it's a skit the way they use their hands also. Yeah. And he's rewarding it for being honest and raw. Yeah. And pretty dang comical in macabre sort of way. Oh, come on, bro. Yeah, that's shit. That's the thing. It would have been cool to actually have a scene where they address to him that they feel he is as much responsible for most people, but if not a bit more so, what happened in their lives? Instead, they just annoyed at him throughout the film until the end where they like hold his hand or whatever and they're like, no. You're like, okay. Nah, but there's our tough guy stand in. So scared of the ovaries. So scared of the ovaries. Is that what he said? What are you doing? The tough guy stand in. And we're scared of them a win. And that's a win. No, no, no. First off, that doesn't work because she doesn't have ovaries. Second off, it's not the ovaries that we're afraid of here. It's just the graphic description of an evasive procedure she shouldn't be making in character anyway. Yeah. What are you doing? I don't understand. Like I said, I got nothing for this. There's a tough guy stand in so scared of the ovaries. What are you talking about? And if he was a tough guy, wouldn't he be not scared of the ovaries? Because he was. Well, to be honest with you, Shad, I'm not sure I believe he knew nothing about this procedure anyway. I'm not sure that the position he had. How could he not know this? It feels weird that he wouldn't have known, especially with Milena. She said she went through the Black Widow program four times before she got Natasha. And he was married to her for three years. She never told him that she was sterilized? I doubt it. Yeah. Tough guy stand in so scared of the ovaries. You cannot kill a fox that swift. Damn. What? Flirting with a memory? Memory. He's referring to Milena and he says you can't kill a fox that swift. Why? What do you mean flirting with a memory? I'm asleep. I hang on. I'm out. I don't remember the context. Why does Natalia say you? Because well, so when he says you can't kill a fox that swift, they're interpreting that as sexual. And that's why they're like, you don't talk about it like that. Also, because this is the thing, right? If nobody told me anything about this and he said, you can't kill a fox that swift, I just assume he's talking about it like combat prowess. Yeah, craftiness. That's just really. But Natasha says, ew. And it's like, oh, I guess. So apparently it's something sexual. And so he's very bizarre. And then the commentary from Cinema Winds is, haha, flirting with a memory. Memory flirting. Is that a thing? There's probably a name. Why? How does that work? How does that work? So if you compliment someone in any kind of sexual manner or on their appearance, you are flirting with them, but through your memories, because they're not in the room. And that's worth a win. Why wouldn't you just say it's a compliment to them rather than you're flirting with memories? It's a very. Yeah, it's a very weird term. Around about saying something that isn't that complicated at all. He's literally like, they couldn't have killed her because she's too ex. It's like, wow, look at you, memory flirting. What? Isn't it not just wow, look at you were calling information? I just don't understand a lot of this commentary. I don't think we have enough fuel first and beat this Berg. No, we're good. We're like, they didn't make it. And that's a win. Why is that a win? They failed. Why is that a win? Why did they trust that he knew when he didn't even look at the fuel gauge? Why did they not bring fuel up to fuel? Why did they assume the red room would be within distance of the fucking prison? Is the way that he could try and say, yeah, it's like he might be trying to compliment that. Hey, there was a joke there and in the juxtaposition of we weren't making and they crash and but he doesn't say that. He's just like, oh, they crash. Oh, I noticed the thing. Cinema things. It's like saying, oh, there's a tree there. Win. Win. Oh, they're talking. Compliments? It's a cinema thing. He did a chance. He just read a thing. Talking. He really is desperate. He's even, it's in the script. Compliments? That's a, that's a win. I don't know. Compliments, question mark. Even he is in short. He doesn't know if this is a win by his own standard. Yeah, he put it there, right? There was a question mark in golf. A scene is happening. It's a win. Avengers super jet. Yeah, he acts like he's not a fan, but he's a fan. What? Oh, it's what? What the fuck? Because he said, why didn't you get an Avengers super jet? And he's like, oh, so he must be a fan of the Avengers, even though he says he isn't. That's a win. Hmm. Okay. Super, super thin to say that. And this is the end of part one, but if I want to see part two right now. Oh yeah, we really got to make this two part 15 minutes. Yeah, that was really tough to make. I want to read your watching right now. Okay. And a main fucking 15 minutes on this video. Man, two minutes of nebula. Fuck that. I'm out. Oh my God. Okay. I was speaking of God. It's 8 a.m. and I didn't sleep. Very well, weekend morning. I got a split and go to mass. So that's okay. You sleep. That is unfortunate. Yeah, I was going to say you could have helped us here, but you know, you're banning us. That's fine. You know, we'll deal with it. Yeah. No, you got my laughter. So if you just call chat. No, we didn't. I'm not convinced you are. Liar. Weekend warrior. Okay. But I really do got a split. Oh, I kind of heard a lot of it. Do you want to tell people where you're at and what you're doing and why they should come subscribe? Hey guys, I'm the weekend warrior and I make fun of bad media, specifically movies and video games. So I'm not going to say what my next one is because that's the secret. And oh, thanks, smaller. Thanks. Thanks, Chad. Rags. Smaller free free and the wall of news. So I'll see you guys. Thank you. Here. See you. Morning. Good night. Good afternoon. Mm hmm. Take care. Well, bye guys. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Bye bye. Doodles. Links in description. So we started at 4am to me and I actually stayed up all night. So I haven't slept and now it's like 10am. Let's say, yeah, I'm not sure how much longer I can manage. Well, just whenever you want to jump out, it's no problem. Well, I'm conscious at the moment. Are you guys ready for part two or what? Man, I mean, I could do it if y'all want to do it. I am on board. I don't think I'm up to it, honestly, guys. Well, you can stay for however long you want, honestly. Like you can just drop out whenever. Yeah, I think I'm about to crash. And I have to admit, getting through that cinema wins, that was actually rough because there was a lot of oof in that one. Agreed. That was a rough one. And so just thinking about a whole other part two, I'm not, I don't think I can manage it, unfortunately. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak, unfortunately. Well, yeah, if you want to jump out now. Yeah, I think I have to bow out now. Unfortunately, guys, being a pleasure as always, though. Yes, thanks for joining us and pop a link in chat and in the description. I figure they know you pretty well at this point. What have you got coming? What have you got coming? What's to be excited about? Well, well, published a video just today or last night, depending where you live, on the rule of call and the problems of it and how to do it right. And there's a bit of some behind the scenes for the short film as well, because I filmed it on set in person. And honestly, it's one of those videos I'm really proud of. It's one of the best I think I've ever made. Addresses the subjects quite extensively and covers all the areas. And it's one of those ones where I watched it at the end. I was like, oh, that turned out even better than I had hoped. And so, yeah, I'm pretty happy with it. Well, exciting stuff. All the best. Shadavisti, we'll see you the next time we see you. All right, thanks, guys. I'll catch you around. See you, dude. Yeah, bye. Well, since it's us three, I'm sure we can get through part two real quick, right? Sure. I just hope it's not more of just like he just says something and we're either confused as to why he said it or it doesn't. It's going to mostly be confusion. I think that's the format. It's so annoying that like the format is exactly the same, but it doesn't get criticized because it's positive. Yeah, I completely agree with you. As insubstantial. It's kind of the proof that it's not actually about what you say. It's just whether or not you're positive or negative. And it's just like, that's shit. Yeah, it's not it's not much. It's not it's not really any different. The only difference is you like it more because it's positive. Alrighty, well, let's let's I mean, he's yeah, it's coming up to act three. It's going to be real hard to find positive. Don't do it again. There it is. Can you see how this video is clearly hacked in half as well? It's not absolutely not built in two parts. He just chopped it. There's no reason to do this though. You can just have it be one. There's no the reason why things used to be in parts was because it was like a 10 limit, 10 minute limit on videos. That hasn't been around for like a decade at this point. Yeah, but I can think of a reason why you do it. Well, of course, double the double that. And it's not even it's not even like a different you. He clearly barely put any work into this, which is also fucking anything he makes. That's something I've been invested in as an idea. How long do you think it would take you completely honest now to take part one? Just part one of this, this fucking thing and recreate it. But you mainly pretty much keep everything the same, except it's your voice, obviously. Oh, I can pump it out in a day. I'm literally gunning for like how many hours do you think it takes? I'm guessing you'd have to type down his script. Then I feel like it would take a couple of days. Max, though, also I'm not sure because it's 15 minutes, right? And then a lot of it is true. It's just footage. This thing, the visuals, the most time consuming thing is when counter and the subtitles, right? Probably have a preset for that. And so you could put them in and just clip the time. Or you just go in at the end. You just read out the script and you go back and subtitle it and adjust the timing. But visuals for the actual movie are really easy because it's just from the movie. The copy down the script takes, let's call it 20 minutes because 50 minute video, just give you that extra bit. Oh, I think you could do it faster. I guess that depends on typing speed. Recording it, let's say an hour, just to make sure you get everything the way you want it to be. Hopefully? Yeah, yeah, you record it. Oh, half it. Well, I mean, it's going to be different for everybody. And then you chop that up. That should take what? Just over however long it was recorded for or something like that. Chopping up the audio? Yeah, to put it in place. Oh, I do that as I go. So that wouldn't be it. I don't think that wouldn't really be extra time for me because I just record in little chunks anyway, little bits. That's how I'm doing it now. Yeah, record a couple sentences, enjoy it, just cut it and then start a new one, couple minutes or a couple sentences, cut it. And this isn't exactly a complex script. You're not really trying to package your ideas in any kind of enlightening or insightful way. This is very, very vulgar, you know? Also, you get all them in place, then you get the visuals. That's going to be the longest part, more than likely. And 15 minutes of visuals, mainly from Black Widow. That could take. Has there been stuff from out of Black Widow? There's been a couple, very few references outside of Black Widow. You had the Winter Soldier clip. I think there's been a few others, but nothing too strenuous. Jay said, I used to make these videos three times a week. Yeah, dude, like I'm saying, this is a day. That's what I'm saying. I didn't want to say it without trying to get the piece by piece because it sounds like a little bit arrogant or whatever. I was just like, no, I think you could do this in under a day. I'm pretty sure that's possible. Absolutely, it's possible. I mean, if this is what you do, if this is going to be, especially if we're talking about you sit down and you treat it like job job and you have eight hours shift, you could knock this out in an eight hour shift if you just worked. It's quicker to record the synths one by one instead of recording all audio at once than then cut it up. For this, I would record it all at once because it's not complex and it's not structured in any way that would require you to redo it. And you don't really have to have your visuals match the audio in any really accurate way. If you're going to do record, because I think Jay records straight into Vegas, do you do that as well, ranks? Yeah. Yeah. So I guess Jay is saying like you'd hit record to say like there's no lap dance in this scene. Stop record, find the clip, put it in, and then hit record two seconds. I don't know how that would be faster. I don't think that's faster. I think it's way quicker to do it all at once than chop it up when you're in the end of the day. If you even need, yeah, if you even need to and especially if you go through knowing you're going to chop it up, just leave yourself a little gap for the ding. Oh, yeah. But you can just do that while you're cutting in the timeline as soon as you finish speaking, ding, line it up with the audio. You could. I was just saying, if you know it's coming and you know that a ding is going to be there and you just have the ding in your script, then you can just leave a pause. You don't even have to cut it up. But I would still, I think. Yeah, we definitely don't do it the same way. I'm much more of an audio file at the point where I hate it when any clicks or sounds that shouldn't be there or there. I like having multiple takes. I like them being done in audacity and then noise removal and then imported into Vegas. I take a lot of steps to make it so that the audio is going to be top of the tiers, top of the pops. And I do, I guess it might be slow of me because I do more dud takes than you guys. I do a lot of dud takes that I end up cutting out. But I'm still, I think that would be a fun challenge for me to do someday, just to do a stream that is as long as it takes if not capping out my ability to not go to sleep, to see if I could recreate this video in a day. It would just be fun to do as a challenge because I'm curious about the workload that goes into them. So many people. Your ledgers must be dripping. Just gushing red. I couldn't be... Swear to fucking God if he gives this a win just because it was what Loki said. More proud of you. Priorities. Stop doing that. Again, all of his fake laughs, you collect them. They've all been different because he doesn't know how to come across as he has a laugh. And also, yeah, priorities. It's like, yeah, I guess so. Isn't it funny that he values the people his daughters have killed over the horrors that they've gone through? All right. Alexi is corny enough that it could be a joke, but between him and Yelena, it seems like he sincerely thinks of them all as family. Is he treated corny or is he corny? I'm not even sure what to make of that. Yeah, like the film doesn't treat him seriously, but does the film, like in-universe, that that's why there's that weird, seeming disconnect? I'm not even convinced he cares about his family that much. I don't know. It doesn't seem to give a fuck about them in several circumstances, but then he does also. It's very bizarre. Freed up. Have everyone back together and it's pretty dang wholesome. There's nothing wholesome about it. It doesn't make sense. And I'm telling you, man, if you... Why are you super wholesome when the pig is choking to death? Well, when he's not acknowledging the horrors his family have gone through, because that would be awkward. Wholesome as in there are holes in how he behaves. Ah, you can see that face mask tech they use later. Oh, yeah. Hey, man, why didn't you ding it for all the guns here? And they even use guns later on? Probably not. I think they use a grenade launcher and that's basically it. Ding it for that. That's a great thing. I know it's played for laughs, but big props to David Harbour for bringing a smokin' badass dad bod to the I Eat One Avocado a day and have 17 personal drinks. There's nothing badass about that dad bod. I don't know. Is he complimenting him because he's out of shape to match the character, I guess? What, like, commitment to the role? If that's what they... David Harbour actually do anything to match the Alexi role? Was it just him? I don't know. Sure. Marvel movies. And owning it like a boss. Gotta respect it. I mean, also, David Harbour's workout routine. Yeah, just as... I have no idea. If David Harbour did something physically for the movie, then sure. I don't know if he did. Beautiful and the supplest that they staged our marriage. Now we're flirting, but... I have a lot of energy. Man, he's literally just gone to the point where he just says what happens and then he dings it. There's nothing actually, like, here. He's on to that. Here's what's gonna happen. I don't want any food. Eat the little something you like. Hey! You're gonna toss the location in the red room. They're all either food. They're former or current assassin spies who pretended to be a family for years and in many ways hate each other, but this is still less awkward than most families Thanksgiving. No. Yeah. And is this a plus that it's less awkward than most thanksgivings? I don't know what thanksgivings, where they deal with, like, the stuff that we're dealing with in this scene. I don't... If it was more awkward, he'd say, somehow they made it more awkward than an actual family to ding. It's a ding, either way, you see. Givings. Yeah, everyone does. This is the scene people reference. She does a good job. Unfortunate that this is the only time we get to explore this part of her character. The best part of my life was fake. We often forget that three years is a significant portion of a child's life. As adults, three years need... What do you mean we often forget that? Who forgets that? I... I... I just forget that. If you were 10 years old, three years is 30% of your life and it's more like... like 50% of, you know, how much you were really fully aware of. And let's be fair, it's that and then Assassin Mind Control life. It's like, yeah, of course this is going to be the preferable memories. It's all she has. Just, like, somewhat normal. Yeah. I... This wasn't surprising at all. In fact, this is... We were waiting for this sort of shit in the movie and we got barely any of it. Enough time to call your job a career. Some people still have boxes to unpack after living in a house for three years, but to a six-year-old, three years is literally half their life. Imagine if someone told you at 24 that they'll like... Wait, what? He's saying this like... He told that to somebody. Yeah, like, if you said it to someone, they go, oh, yeah! I've never thought about that. Okie dokie. The last 12 years of your life were fake. So, of course, Yelena is the most impacted. And like I said... Oh, yeah. Why is that a plus? That's just... A plus. So, I guess he's just trying to give reason for why she's so upset. This is like... Yeah, but we know why she's upset. This is all... This is her character. This is everything. Yeah. This is... Yeah. Inning, look at this life! This is real, especially when all that came after was the smell of teen spirit. You were selected by a genetic potential in infants. So... Les enfants, tell you? I knew all the presents under the tree were just empty boxes, but I didn't care. I wanted to open every single one. But even for Nat, three years is almost a third of her ten... Oh my god. Yes, it mattered to her as well. Ten-year-old's life, and that's not even taken into consideration that most people don't make long-term memories for the first two years. Yeah. You're just born in a cage, but that's not your fault. Yeah, it is. She stayed in that cage, motherfucker. She had to be told to exit the cage by someone else, and then rewarded for doing so. Sound that says so much about how she's astonished with who Nat has become. What do you mean? She didn't even know her. Like, she knew her for three years, and then she ditched her for the rest of her life, just making more genetic experiments to control other women. That's it. That's her whole fucking existence. It's like, oh look, she's appreciating how much Nat has grown up. It's like, she never cared. Yeah. What is going on? I'm sorry, actions speak a little louder than words. She's been out of her life for what? Decades? I don't understand the land. She said the line, and there was some acting. Sure. Tell me. Did you keep your heart? He only makes us stronger. I'm gonna be honest, I'm a little annoyed Nat doesn't mention the real family she was- Oh my god. Oh my god. Oh my god. What the fuck is this doing in your video? Whoa. Hey, we're not supposed to be talking about the flaws. I've heard of her over a decade, but I get that she's got a credit, Melina, since she did technically make it clear what she wanted Nat to do. Never let her take your heart. I don't even know what she was supposed to make of that at that age. Never let them take your heart. You do remember what she did to defect, right? Seems like your heart might have prevented you from blowing up a child, but I don't know. I'm sorry, I learned at the Red Room, and I'll be here any minute. Typical Iron Maiden, Iron Maidening. I made reference to her role in the comics that is not mentioned at all in the movie, but it's fine. Please stop talking. Please wait. Please wait. Please. There is a reason why I'm telling you this. Okay, trust me. Gonna pause for a copy, right? Can't imagine what his commentary on this will be. He got toilet on my hands. Oh my god. Your end is- No, he's not leaving. It's funny. I don't know, man. Like, it was a huge shame. It was the one chance they gave him to do something significant and meaningful, and he's like, lull pass. 35 degrees Celsius. I love how absolutely dead pans sincere. Alexi is at wanting to tell this story, and then his big conclusion is Fathers. He's just a simple, sweet guy. What can you even say about this? I have nothing really. It's like, okay, I guess. You know, it's- All this. All right. Although, at the same time, I don't know, Alexi. Gaslighting Danny seems like a bad idea. Just ask Christian about the pair. The only thing you care- I'm assuming that's old references to other media. Yeah, I don't know. Is it just like, I know of a thing that happened in another thing? We've had a lot of them, so yeah. About their stupid glory days is the Crimson Dynamo, and no one wants to hear about it. When you look at the list of Russian men who've been the Crimson Dynamo, you understand why she got confused. When I read about who- What does that mean in this year? What is- What are the Crimson Dynamo? It's completely useless. It would only be confusing if she had read the Wikipedia article for Marvel stuff. For the bride, something touch me deep inside. Yeah, and then he prays this. As should be praised, I guess. It's just fucking sad as hell. The writers didn't come up with it. I guess it's just- This praise feels really hot. Wow, we're doing the joke again. Okay. It just feels like we're sort of devaluing the things that actually work. It doesn't make sense again, too. Well, maybe that's his joke this time, too. Oh, great. It doesn't make sense, either. Why is you? I'm still not sure I'm making Yakov proud here. Maybe it's just- Wow, he didn't even compliment it. Wow, that's amazing. That's like the- Never mind. It's possibly the best thing in the movie, and he didn't compliment it. Yeah. All right. Wow, I'm actually really surprised. That's like a huge missed opportunity, but okay. Spotlight. The way he takes those darts like a champ, but that is a beautiful beard. So if a beautiful beard isn't in, like there is no wind for that whole scene. There's no wind for him appealing to something that you later valued as a child that he remembered, but his beard, though. What are we doing? You're so bad at this. How did you miss that? I'm sorry. Because Nat really doesn't like hurting her sister anymore. What's going on? Do you get it? She's sorry because it's actually Nat using it, and Nat doesn't like hurting Elena. So she said, I'm sorry, because she doesn't like hurting her. That's a win. That's a cinema win right there. Okay. Ed. Is that doing anything for anyone? No, you're not funny. I don't, I don't get it. What is that? Just saying red room in a funny voice three times. I'm assuming it's a reference. Yeah, he's matching the shining there as well. Okay. But what is why would that come Red room backwards is a murder. It's what happens in the shining. That's like in blood on a wall, I think. Right. Mordor. Am I right? Seems like Molina slash Nat is breathing nervously here, which works both since it's really Nat, and that Molina could be just nervous to be around Draco. She's breathing nervously. You know what? Both characters could theoretically be nervous here. So it works. It's like, it's great. Nailed it. But when it's definitely clear to him that she just reconnected with her family. Plus, Strakoff has a- Oh, sorry. I'm a fucking idiot. Red room, not red room. Red room is made of backwards. Fuck, that's, go sit there and like, wait, murder with two eyes? Mordor? Well, that was his joke. I should have clicked on that. Yeah. That's why it's not connecting for me. Like, that's what I'm talking about. Turn off the, all right. Personal. This is a much less cool way to die. Again, priorities. It's not. What's going on? I seriously- Again, priorities. Again, no lap dance. Yeah. That's almost another challenge I want to do now. Like, could I make a video like this in earnest and how long would it be every compliment you can think to mine out of this film? And I still think we could make a way better video than this. It would probably be five minutes, but that's still, you know, man. To have a split. It was actually Ethan Hunt. Very down for that crossover. Anyone has a split second where you thought it was going to be- It's a win that I erroneously thought that Tom Cruise would be under the mask. Or is it a win that he's simply referenced that there are other movies franchises that use a mask thing? The movie wins because masks exist in other- Okay. Yep. That's an interesting observation. What? That's an appropriate reaction. I'm having to- What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? What? Reaction. He said what in response to something surprising? That's appropriate? That's a win, but it's not a win. After says what? More than 11. There's one in the world. For Christ's sake, what could you learn from this? Like- I don't even know which one is the stupidest of all the wins, but that one's up there. I should- there's something I need you to know. I gave my life for a cause. I thought I- He's gonna give a win for this. All right. What's being brave? You don't have earpiece. David Harbour is nailing it. I fully support giving him another shot at Hellboy. No. No, no, no, no, no. We'll not do that. Give it back to Ron Pillman, fuck. Also, I guess this is a compliment to his acting, specifically. Which is fine, as in like I'm fine with that. What? Whatever. Bring it, Boikey, but actually don't. I'm not exhausted. Say hello. If you're paying attention to the gas list, you probably figure this out by now. But if you didn't, you're all, what? You bet your ass a lot of people were like, what? Cause it don't make no fucking sense. Yeah. Cause again, I saw clearly the body of a man in the air. Well, look how much smaller his body is right now. Yeah. It looks like it looks very awkward how tiny she is inside of that outfit and the shoulder pads again to make her look like she isn't super slim. Like that's the thing, trace in your head where her shoulders actually are. She's got a long neck. But uh, yeah, this isn't, I'd get the comparison up, but obviously I can't. But Taskmaster's outfit is different from this in like a couple seconds later. It's a safe deal. You're smelling my pharomones. Is he, is he gonna call it badass when she hits her face on the desk? That's the big, big question. Oh yeah, he might be that dumb. He might be treating bad guy power. Kind of creepy too. Any power that involves smelling pharomones? That is silly. Anything that involves smelling pharomones feels creepy. Any power that involves, okay. And that's a win? I guess. Yeah, it's an intriguing bad guy power. It's not, there's so many ways to subvert it and it fucking doesn't really make any sense to me, but like, go right ahead. Like when Cyclops is around, exactly what part of Scott is he smelling? Is it the lasers? It's the lasers. Nina. What? That, I don't know. I guess we'll just move on. This is the last time that we... Damn. This poor guy can't have any sentimental moments. And that's funny and good. That's hilarious. Ha ha ha ha ha. We sure do love cinema here. The character were able to express themselves. I'd fucking hate that. Thank God. Winping. Bean was about to get a shot at Camille. Those names are too obscure for that movie, aren't they? Well, here's a hint. That version of David Harbour hates communism and Olga Kurilenko is trying to avenge her father. Another movie reference. Good job. Oh, this is such an obvious great moment in the movie. This just top tier. It was in the... I'm pretty sure like this is like in everyone's videos that praise this movie. They can't resist. They're just like, oh, it's so good. Might as well get used to it, Yelena. I don't think Nat's going to be doing it anytime soon. Not unless she wins the lawsuit, I guess. Damn it, you're weak. All right. I mean, that's a better way to take that than simply complimenting. Yeah. You know what? I'm surprised. That's probably my favorite cinema win in this whole thing. But it's easier to be tough in front of defenseless little girls, huh? You should try laughing real creepy like. That works for people pretending to be other people sometimes. You should laugh real creepy. It works. I'm trying. I am also trying to deconstruct this comment. Chat helps out. I'm lost. You should try laughing real creepy like. That works for people. You should try laughing real creepy like. That works for people pretending to be other people sometimes. Maybe that's a reference to something. It's got to be. But those people in chat have no idea. But why is it a win? Well, because it's a reference. If we get the reference, that's the win. But like, what is the reference? Well, it's a win or a favor of the film, though. That's that's what the film. So the film has someone pretending to be. Let's say that it was a reference to something. So it would be that this film has. I almost feel bad calling this a film. This movie has a person pretending to be someone else. And another film has someone pretending to be someone else. And then they laugh. Someone said the Joker. Is it is it Joker? Was the Joker pretending? I guess he was. I mean, because the Joker is an alien. The idea when he was being beaten up in the cell and laughing maniacally. But he wasn't pretending to be anybody except for the Joker, which is what he is. So let's see how that could be it. I I'm just going to keep going. I don't know. I genuinely do not know. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm all confused. Yo, that's a win. OK. And is that Bucky's move? Oh, man. Wow. So good that it's that easy. It's that easy. Thank you for your cooperation. Got me just like she got Loki that one time. No, no, God, it was so obvious. When I first watched this film, it was it was like frustrating when she said like, you're really desperate to impress me. It's like she wants you to tell her the plan. What that's it is nothing. There's nothing else to interpret. But with the Loki scene, don't even go near it. It's not fair. I like how he didn't put footage up for that. She doesn't have adventures. Oh, I see. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, here we are. What's he going to say? You're everybody. Let's get ready to do it. I'm so ready. My anus is trembling with excitement. Oh, God. I should myself. What are you going to do? Even more commitment. All the commitment is so rough. Wow, he praised it. So that's a prize. That's insane. She has commitment. You know what? Maybe that has no commitment. That's the maybe that's the best thing you could say about it. She was committed. That's like the most like the most common trait generally of a protagonist is determination. So I was like, wow, they're really determined and like, yeah, I think so. She was really determined to break her nose. Yeah, she went for it. Yeah. And that's worthy of reward. Only now. Oh, the world has too much of girls. All I can say. Yuck. All I can say is yikes. I don't know. I get maybe it's his thing. He's like, I'm going to stop the yike train. Fuck yikes. But why would you do that? I don't know. It's it's it's like, oh, I got to show everyone that I really don't like misogyny. It was funny to me. You know, I'm trying to figure out the yike part. But yeah, that's who I never heard. Yeah, with that, without the yes, I've never heard anyone say it like that. So this is always funny to me because it really does separate out like a bias, I think. When you're so obsessed with the ideas, like, you know what? It's bad to hate women. It just is the second you're given that like key signature, you'll immediately be like, what a bad villain. Oh, I hate him. Oof, bad guy. It's like, did you listen to what he said? That the world has too many girls. Just stupid that is. Like, what do you even, what? Like, I got to kill the girls too many of them. A resource, this world has too much off. What? No, it's just a light up with him. He surrounds himself with women. But apparently he hates them. Like, okay. But hey, it's like Harvey Weinstein. That's good enough. Takes advantage of the women's. He's untouchable. You. Unlike Harvey Weinstein at this point. Unlike Harvey Weinstein. Could say. And he holds Nats and all the lives of the young girls that work for him in his hands. And then Nats frees herself by breaking her nose and disfiguring herself. You get where I'm going with this? Making herself unattractive is how you escape the sexual clutches of Harvey Weinstein. Is that what you're saying? It's by no means a perfect one to one. But I can't be the only one who's majoring. Yeah. I think he's actually saying like the way you escapes a sex past is to make yourself ugly. That's his incredible insight. That is a strange conclusion to come. It's also really not good. That's a conclusion. Fuck up your face so they won't want to fuck you anymore. You're like, what? I mean, they're just going to do you from behind. It's not going to help. I mean, I'm trying to come up with- Why would the moral of the story be that you have to hurt yourself to escape? Why would that be a moral that would be good? Well, it's funny you say that. I think we talked about it. But like this movie's thematic bedrock would have been way better if you could, through strength of will, defeat the mind control. Yeah, that feels like the way to go. That's the obvious. Give them some autonomy. Yeah. Instead, it has to be the gas that saves you. It's like the rise of Skywalker thing. You can only escape if the force helps you. Oh, God, that was so stupid. And the force only wants to help a couple of y'all, I guess. Yeah, fuck the rest of them. Because the force is a dick. Love the next movie is so I can boycott the danger plan. I completely demolish one of the engines and we are going into a controlled crack. Cool. Headedness ins- Yeah. I mean, you know, she pretty much guaranteed the death slash danger of all the people on her team, but it gets worth it. Soviet Russia taskmasters you. Soviet Russia taskmasters you nailed it. But I don't get it. I think the joke is that it doesn't work still. It still doesn't work. She's just a straight up maneuver thief. Yeah. Yeah, that's they got you. That's it. Yeah, and they have that's how hard they had to work. That's the thing. That's how hard they had to work. To get you to go, wow. It's a huge shame that, like, just see right through it. No, no, no. If you go in wanting to be fooled, then you're going to be fooled. I don't even. Yeah, I know it's her thing, but that's flair. It ain't tactical. Although maybe that's the original maneuver. Wait, sorry, did you just describe that as non-tactical? The kicking your shield to get it up to your arms straight away. If it's possible to do that flair, it ain't tactical. If it's possible to do that, then I think it's tactical. We're going to do that. Then we could be tactical. The issue is you never have to make sense because it doesn't. Yeah, how does it stick to your arm? If we agree to ignore that part, this is totally tactical. It's way faster than bending down to pick it up. Yeah, theoretically, you could grab it faster. You could have your hand. You don't have to lower yourself. But yeah, there could be some reasons for this to be a thing. Although maybe that's the original maneuver, Thief. Would make sense that you learned it from her. No, it's just a black widow thing. They all get the training. I don't know why it would have been her mother's specific move. That's what kind of, well, I guess there's no way to know that for sure. Does Yelena use it at any point? Then again, she could have learned it from the mum. Is that what the visual is? The mum using it? Wait, why would it hear? Why would Nat have used it as a result of learning it from her mum when she had no connection with her mum? She got trained off to it. Yeah, so that doesn't work. She had to have learned it as a part of the black widow program, which means it's just a normal move where they jump onto your head, flip you around and toss you away. But now Nat proves why she's not just a widow. She's an Avenger. By having everybody do stupid things throughout this whole fight. Yeah, like, look at all those people in the background there that aren't attacking her. She survives because they don't just shock her and beat the shit out of her. They all have ranged paralytics. You just go, you're done. But instead, they approach her and like fuck up everything over and over again. She should not. She's only hold her own. Exactly, it's the plot. The plot keeps her alive. She should not be able to do this. It is beyond her capabilities. Yep, but that doesn't make any sense. That's a cinema-widen rags. I think you'll find. Oh, brutal. Team work. That doesn't make sense. How did you lift her up and throw her across the room like that? Are you a super soldier? Fuck, statistically, you might be in this universe now. Yeah, there's a lot of them. I don't know if that's from running around these days. Just who knew? Wow, he's skipped over a lot again. She didn't even say one because Nat would expect the fake out on one, so she just did it on zero. It's an escalation of the normal, I'm over explaining. She said she'll pull it on three and then she just pulled it. That's a cinema-win. You get it, right? I'm at the hand root. I mean, I wouldn't mind an apology. Okay, it's like difficult to call in on some of this. Yeah, it really is because a lot of it's just dumb and pointless and the bar has been set so low that you'll clap at anything. It's really, it's just... Anybody could be this guy? That's the thing. Anybody could be cinema-wins. Oh, so you acknowledge that this is important. It doesn't matter because she's the best at everything. I do love that. That is so interesting. Hey, look, she fell and you remember that she shouldn't be able to do this, but she's the best, so it's okay. Not only is it okay, it's actually a good thing. She's the best. He's giving up. He could just do it all. That's all this is. He's just giving up. He's like, I need to cram shit into this video that I'm going to split up later into two parts. I have to find things. What can I find? What are we doing? We gave up. I'll just say, I'll just say she's awesome when... Look, it doesn't make any sense, but she's real cool. She's the best at everything. This is just like a contingency they had training for. All right, so when the red room starts crashing, you're all going to jump out and just start shooting. Oh, okay. Or it's really stupid. You could have just said that. It's really dumb. Booting at everything. Many of you will be hit with debris, but just don't stop shooting. You know, we'll go shield throwing. Oh, wow. A tactical use of that move, by the way. I'm starting to wonder if Alexi really did meet Cap at some point because he threw his shields. Why would that be the reason why? Because you threw it. You couldn't have just been a good first mate. I don't know why you need to meet Cap rather than just watching. What is the difference? I don't see how meeting him would help you throw it better. I feel like throwing a shield will help you throw it better, not meeting him. Again, we knew that he'd be desperate in Act 3, guys, but this is... This is desperation. If ever desperation was a thing, then this it be. On skills, I'm starting to wonder if he cap at some point. Okay, maybe he has a little ways to go still. His glasses. His glasses. That's a win. Ha-ha, his glasses. Yeah. He split us into two videos. There's nothing in here. Two. And if you cared about your job and your work and you wanted it to be really good, then I'm sure you could go through this with a fine tooth comb and find some details and stuff and little nifty little things about a movie because it's a collaborative effort and I mean, surely the writers weren't in charge of everything, so something cool might be in the film. Elena Dreykov, this time. Saving any possibility of more red being added to Nat's ledger. Why would it be red to her ledger to kill Dreykov? Is it just blood's blood? And that's that? It's as simple as you... Black Red kills a lot of people. I guess we're ignoring the prison, of course, but not to mention all the deaths from this whole thing collapsing, but why, like they're getting rid of Dreykov to stop him from continuing the red room. Taking over the world, yeah. Like what, that's red in the ledger? That's you owe for that? Like that's a bad thing you've done? Okay. Fucking... I don't agree, but okay, you think so. Kills Dreykov this time. Saving any possibility of more red being added to Nat's ledger. Convenient parachute? Let's ignore that part. He cut ahead of that, Rags. It's fine. Okay. Sick beat drop. I mean, it's fine. It's fine. I will say that it's fine. It's just funny though. Like he has to just ignore what happens and find something. It's the beat drop, you see. That's the good part. Yeah, that was serious. Oh, people are saying he said Dreyvok at one point in the subtitles. I must have said that. Dreyvok. Dreyvok. Dreyvok. Something like a Star Trek bag guy. Sounds like a Dark Souls boss. Dreyvok. Dreyvok. I am Dreyvok. Dreyvok the lord of, I don't know, sloop. Lord of swampness. I don't love all of this score. I forgot a better late motif, but this freefall section is perfect. I wish he had like a presence in this movie. I wish he wasn't wasted. That's the thing, I guess. I mean, I guess if he doesn't think that Taskmaster was completely squandered in concept then. Okay. Also, this is peak consumer. I just love this set piece. The near misses. I'm never not thrilled. This is This is a fucking retarded scene, but the fact that pieces of debris are missing them is enough for you to be like, Ooh, ooh, no, she might die. I'm so thrilled. I'm so thrilled. Here misses, I'm never not thrilled. Imagine it in the theater. I'm so thrilled. How was this tool? It's really super. That was so cool. I know we're supposed to be numb to this type of action. What? So you're not like, it's, it's dumb. Everything about it is dumb and implausible and stupid and it damages the characters for being dumb for doing it. The fact Taskmaster is here instead of just letting her die is We talk about how movie Bob is the consumer, right? But it's cinema wins. Then it was a pretty hyper consumer. Yeah. It makes sense too, because like his whole job is to consume. That is his job. Be numb to this type of action. But dang it, if I don't love it. I will. I was very numb with that move. Isn't that mimicking Taskmaster now? She didn't even see that move. What do you mean? How does she mimic a move to see that? Yeah. Why would you say that? Saving that mass murderer who was just trying to murder you. Also Nat. Saving the person who was recently trying to kill you as a cinema win. Okay. Wait until he's, wait until he meets protagonist from other films who don't have, who don't kill and they don't have to. Change up the move this time. So Taskmaster couldn't copy it. She changed it so he couldn't copy or she couldn't copy it. What do you even mean? Look at the way that Taskmaster's sitting right now or crouching. What are you talking about? Do you guys catch this shit? Murderer who was just trying to murder you. Also Nat changed up the move this time so Taskmaster couldn't copy it. What are you talking about? He can copy anything. And why would he need to see it to be able to do it when he's already seen it? Or she, whatever. And, but that's clearly, look at Taskmaster. She's, she's crouched. Also Nat changed up the move this time so Taskmaster couldn't copy it. Look at it, like she's not doing the move because she literally can't do that move from that position. Yeah. What are you talking about? Maybe he's so used to the power of shitty editing that he just assumes any person in a fight can do anything at any time. This isn't a point. This is just nothing yet. That is dark. The first thing you ask when waking up after decades of mind control. Makes sense. What's dark? He's gone. He's glad that her captor is gone. And that's dark. How is that dark? Is the idea that it must be so dark to think that all she cares about is whether or not he exists because of the damage he's caused. It must be the the angle there. But I mean, I would be curious if Drakoff was still alive. I'm surprised that none of the other characters are. I remember Melina and Alexi. Don't ask about it. They're just like, yeah, it's fine, Bill. Oh, look at that dialogue. They use past and then came up in the future. Oh, another one of their sister things. I'm assuming he's going to reference the one of the gravesite as well. She's like, yeah, these are these are like. You had it before and then you did it again. It's like, yeah. Good job. Testers, they'll give you hope for humanity. I'm not crying. You're crying. No, I'm I'm crying. Wow, you are. I said it. You are pretty pathetic. It only frustrated me because this is how Natasha should have felt the whole time. Not something she learned that she felt. And then it's frustrating that this person never existed before. It's all bullshit. Sorry, but it's hard to feel at that point. You know, hugging, hugging. Man, you think they're bigger. And now it's one of them rings the point of steel jokes aside. I love a theme of families. Oh, steel beams 9 11. Oh, OK. How many different ways all these assassins that led their own lives for decades came together and took care of each other because there isn't just one kind of family. And you can even be a part of multiple. You are you are you are such a fucking consumer. Yes, that was the film that, you know what? In some ways, she had more than zero families the whole time. In fact, she had to. Yes, when we already know that she had one already. Well, and this film proves that she has three, if we're going to go super meaningful and blood connection and time. And then people who care about it are like, yeah, you have three, but you didn't even notice because you're not actually paying attention to the movie. Still more. They can work out with the four of us. You know, maybe some hope for the Avengers. Yelena wearing her raw love on her sleeve. They weren't allowed to be in this movie because of sexism. Wait, I think you skipped me. But it took Yelena wearing her raw love on her sleeve to break down Nat's barriers. Nat doesn't have barriers for something like that. That's not her character. She's very open and honest about how she feels about the Avengers and the people she cares about. Which should be referenced by the scene that you just showed on the video that you made. But I guess she's not, I don't know. I guess you're just not good at thinking. I don't know. She's not like Tony or Doctor Strange. We're getting them to say I love you to somebody is really hard and complicated because of who they are. This is Nat. She's like number one on the sentimental list for the Avengers. She cares more about them being together than she does about saving the world to a degree. But no, she's got all the walls up in this film you see and they had to be broken down. Okay. Her sleeve to break down Nat's barriers. And then we get these lost girls coming together with Yelena. Even bringing Antonia along because they have a family bond over what was taken from them. No, you don't have a family bond. Don't fucking know anything about anyone. They their whole lives are a clean slate. They can't, they couldn't have like gotten to know each other. That's kind of a problem with her caring about that girl that died in the beginning. I guess she cares about her just with the basic care. Like these people don't know each other. They went through together. I love every second of it. I can tell. You love everything. Wait. Ross just let her go? Hey, Black Widow 2, the two weeks between the red room fight in this moment, totally on board. So you just acknowledged that it doesn't make sense that she could have gotten away and that's... I don't... He digs it positively. Like... I don't know what I meant to... He has a system for criticizing this. He takes points away or pretends to give one and then takes it away or whatever. But like, he acknowledges the flaw there and then gives it a win because hey, that could be the next movie. Yeah. Aw, she's even wearing the... Yeah, that's... Yeah. If you're leaving, then... Yeah, there's the vast... ...faces. And I doubt she even keeps it in infinity. No, Nat. Don't do it while playing. Jesus Christ, you are easy. Yep. This is what we call a mark. Like, this is exactly who they want watching the film. I'll screw you, Avengers, but I guess she does patch things up by... ...you know, saving the world. What does he mean, screw you, Avengers? What do you mean, saving... What? What do you mean, screw you? What? Fringin', you got anything on that? Why did he say screw you, Avengers? I have no idea. I have no idea. Okay. Blessed day, Selena. For real, I'm for real stoked for Valentina to actually be in one of these movies or... Okay. Why? Yeah, no, he can't ask that question, right? He can't. So don't ask. That means qualifying something. That means elaborating on information. Not even information. It means elaborating on an opinion. Shows. Alert for real. One of my favorite moments from the movie is this blooper heel. Can I have my iPad keeping it? Okay. Well, Merry Christmas. Is it Christmas? Oh, it's like a gift. She didn't give it back to the iPad. Yeah. Funny. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Maybe you'd like a shot at the man responsible for your sister's death. Oh, man, they're bringing back the Red Skull. Oh, right. Huck, guy. Is this movie a good- He dinged that positively again, but he didn't tell us why. Also, Huck's with shit that she knows about that. Yep. No, make more. Give her a series. Shut up. I don't care. God, you're such a... I mean, that's the thing. If you just throw happiness and likes and smiley emojis at every movie, fuck it, they're all the same. Yep. They're like two years between this and when Cap and Nat save Wanda and Viz in Infinity War. Plenty of stuff to do, yo. Wanda and Viz in Infinity War. Oh, Viz. Oh, Wanda and Viz in... Oh, yeah. You don't want to abbreviate it there because in sounds like an Viz in. Vision. You don't want to abbreviate it there. He's also trying to argue why we should get more Black Widow when, as far as I was concerned, Endgame ended his story. It was done. Yeah, it was done. It was done, it was finished. And plus, you're just going to assassinate her more. She's going to do more shit. That's horrific. Again, he missed the whole prison massacre, so... I'm going to do more in his mind. Somehow. I wonder if they miss it, Rags, or if they just willfully ignore it. I can believe they don't even think about it. I'm kidding about it, not being a good son of a... They just see it as bad guys or bad guys. And that's that. Anyone in the way of our heroes is a bad person who needs to be disposed of. We're about to get to the actual frustrating part now because he's summarizing how good the movie is. Oh, wow. I do want more. We finally get Nat's real backstory and tying up all the loose senses. Pretty satisfying. Man, boy, was it fun. Seriously, a great time. I think the red room crashing scene is one of the most fun scenes in the MCU. Fuck me, you will clap at anything. But Rags, it's so big. There's so many explosions. The last sentence. I'm a little MCU deprived. You're MCU deprived, and this is the film that made you go, you know what, we're doing great. Deprived? I guess deprived because you had to wait like a year. That's incredible to be deprived of it. I am more than happy for them to pause for a good five fucking years at this point. Years. No, we ain't pausing. We are going full steam ahead. We're speeding up. God, I'm deprived of MCU content. Didn't he just get... Where in the timeline was this? Two shows are out by now, right? Three. I think Loki came out before Black Widow. And then, of course, right after that, you have another, an animated show, another movie, another movie, a TV show, and another movie. There is, there's eight. No, nine. There's nine pieces of content this year. You know, for a fact, he just wants to replace his palette of movies from all different places with just MCU. Just give me all of them. Make it easy for me. Definitely easy. About this is that it ends too quickly. I can't imagine what every second... Like, again, what I was trying to say was, like, to be deprived and then this comes along and you're like, oh, thank you. Or I would just be like, fuck me. What a waste. And if it costs, so I get it. But it's such a high level of epicocity, not being the only online control person to just jump without thinking twice. Consume. He just showed the pot where she grabbed it, so he's definitely aware of it. Okay, I'm just saying. This is so Nat, and I love that she gets that, especially to save her sister. But honestly, most of the set pieces in this movie are fantastic and are laced with meaning. You can feel the rage between the sisters in Budapest. Why is she angry at Yelena? You're saying that they have rage for each other. So Yelena's angry at her for abandoning her. Why is Natasha angry at... By the way, that doesn't make sense because Yelena thinks that Natasha's the only chance we have at saving the world. Why would she attack her like this? It doesn't make any sense. It's like, but you can feel the rage. Like, okay. No, she's stashing the vials regardless. I like the idea that she's like, she's definitely losing this fight. It's like, wait, so she just thinks she's gonna die? What does stashing the vials do if she's gonna be dead? You don't think about any of this stuff. Over the top, you can't help but smile. You can't help but smile. Why would that make you happy? Challenge accepted. What's the city? Like, pretty much everyone else, I obviously wanted to see more of Taskmaster. Hopefully in the future we will. No, no, no. No, you won't. You can't. Give it up. It's done. You can't do... You've expended Taskmaster and it was way... And the character was wasted. That's one of the big complaints universally about this. Except for you, you fucking consumer. Pat sometimes both Harbor and Pew who are by far the film's highlights seem to delve into sketch comedy level accents. They're a lot of fun, and they seem like they're having a great time, which is probably the point. But at times it feels like I'm bordering on the Russian versions of the Swedish ship. But honestly, who cares? I love these characters. What do you mean who cares? Who cares? Why do you mean who cares? Fuck it, they clap. Well see, because this is the stuff that I'd love to actually go over with him. He says, who cares? I love the characters. It's like, oh, so you're saying like, stuff like that doesn't matter as long as the characters are well done? Like, yeah, I'm like, so how are they well done? And, you know, maybe give an example of how Nat cares about her sister. And then I could give him a reference for like, yeah, she cares about her and the dad so much she's willing to kill like 300 people or however many are in that prison. And he'd be like, whoa, now, that's not. Just, I'd love to hear what his response would be. How does he reconcile it? I've heard the defense that she didn't intend for it to happen, so there's that. I'll take a David Harbour and Rachel movie or a Red Guardian Disney Plus show where he deals with the fact that totalitarian big C communism has fallen. No, he hates the government. They imprisoned him. Yeah, he does say that he thinks it's a pussy party or whatever, right? Yeah, that's, I don't, I, how many times can you say that he's wrong? You know, I guess just. Holy shit, he said, I mean, he's not really a bad guy, damn. But I don't know how you can possibly say that. He's a horrific person. He's not a bad guy. Yes, he is. At least not now, hey, he helps. What does he have to do in your mind to be a, I just, I. Pocket. Literally didn't care that both of them had hysterectomy. He's fine. I love my daughters. It's a funny thing. It's a fun, it's funny. He looks like Cal is. Povedigalante getting a job at Trader Joe's and reading Mark Fisher's Capitalist Realism. I certainly would. This film sets up so many exciting possibilities. And look, I loved on. Signing possibilities. He's terrific in this movie, but we are nowhere without Scarlett Johansson. It's just something we take. I mean, we're nowhere without Scarlett Johansson. I don't, I don't know. I don't, I don't know. It's character, I guess. I mean, he's right. The Black Widow, the movie doesn't really work if you don't have Black Widow in it. I guess he's got a point there. Point, it's like she transports from an alternate reality, the one where she's the mysterious human among gods and starts to expose her past and emotionality in new ways. It's another example of the phenomenon. We had all of that and this ruined it. This movie ruined that thing. Yeah, they fucked up and passed. We had her as a great character. We had that thing in this film you're clapping at like a fucking retard, ruined that. I know her and they know her and now we both know her. You do not know her. You think you do, but that's the problem. You, your job is bullshitting on YouTube about media and you're so bad at it, you don't understand that this movie ruined everything that you think this movie did well. Pretty much. Because it feels like it, but I also can't help but feel like this film was a missed opportunity. The Black Widow character has always been fantastic. Despite that, the MCU has never utilized her fully. Disagree. Utilized her fully. She's a great character in the MCU. I feel she was fully utilized in Avengers. I think she was fully utilized in Winter Soldier. I feel like they did really well with her in Endgame. She got like a lot of attention actually. She's a woman with a past filled with mistakes and she's just constantly trying to work at correcting that in a cosmic balance of justice while also creating herself, creating for herself a family that she very much cares about and saving the will and the story completely represents that throughout. Like I said, Winter Soldier, as much as we shout on it. Do you have that scene where she reaches a level of trust with Steve? And I think that the implication is that from that point in the timeline, she's not just clearing out her ledger. She's also going to believe in and be connected to the members of the Avengers. And since Civil War, she's not actually concerned about who's right or wrong or which one's going to lead to like, I don't know, the ultimate best result. She just wants to side with the bigger chunk of the family and try and keep them together and once. Is it first? That's what I just find interesting about that film is that I think she sees it as though it's going to be inevitable. Like she's pretty convinced by Tony's argument and that the greater half will probably be the ones that stay legal. But then when Steve is basically like willing to actually fight the Avengers to not sign it, she realizes that he's never going to back down so she'll side with them instead. It's real neat. Also not to mention the fact that she's probably more connected to Steve than any of the other Avengers outside of Hawkeye. There's a lot of stuff going on for that throughout the Avengers and the idea that this is the film that like we finally got... There's so much more content for her in Avengers than there was in it. It's just about screen time. It's just, this is the Black Widow movie. I mean, it's got to be the one that's just she's just flourishes as a character. It's her movie. She has so much screen time. It makes sense, doesn't it? Yeah. Because it feels like it. But I also can't help but feel like this film was a missed opportunity. The Black Widow character has always been fantastic. Despite that, the MCU has never utilized her fully. We knew her past haunted her, but that's about it. We knew her past haunted her, but that's about all we knew about her. Actually, fuck off. Thank God it isn't easier to erase this from memory. The real mistake was releasing this film at all. The MCU. So why is it so long? I love the Marvel Phase 3 and all I can say. It's not a thriller. Stop calling fucking Winter Soldier a thriller. Well, a lot of people would categorize that. I'm not actually that opposed to categorizing it that way. I just don't think it works. Because it's not. Like it wants to be a thriller? It wants to thrill us. The problem with thriller for me is that it's too applicable to lots of experiences you have in almost most movies. Being thrilled by a movie is common, I would say. But I just like the idea of. I think it literally means almost a thriller is, at least as how I understand it is generally, it's almost like suspense, like horror in a way. A thriller. I don't know that suspense, horror is actually relevant. Thriller can be without horror elements entirely, I think. Yeah, I mean like twists and surprises and stuff. You get thrilled by them. That's common. Maybe. The problem is that there's a lot of that in lots of just movies in general. It's a very common thing. In the same way you could say, like if all it takes to be horror is to be scary, but I would be like, well, majority, right? We're looking at what happens for most of the runtime when we try and create a genre category for the thing. And just, for example, calling this film a spy thriller. I find that amusing because I'm like, is it because there are spies in it? Or what are supposed to be spies? But like, is that it? A secret organization. Yeah, spy thriller. And like there are surprises. There are suspenseful moments. Therefore it is a thriller. I'm just like, if that's all it, fine. I don't care. Like this thing, I don't hold much weight for genre titles. I'm just like, go nuts, whatever. But it does bother me when, say, for example, someone's like, well, a classic example. So it's not horror. It's like, okay. If someone was, because I say it's like, am I saying that this film is not a spy thriller? I'd be like, I think the only thing that gets caught in my teeth with this sort of thing is just like, it's not a good one. I just wouldn't want people to think it is, just for being like, oh, it's a spy thriller, like the Bourne series. I'd be like, I guess so. You know, like how like a shitty B movie sci-fi with a guy in his garage and there's lots of like fucking tin foil on the walls that he's got like a terrible costume? It's like, I guess that's a sci-fi. I suppose. I think is, wow, was there really no room for Black Widow? Guardians of the Galaxy 2 is fantastic, but did it need to happen? Is there a, well, why, why are you, I'm sorry. You could say, why not say this? He's saying, which movie can we move out of the timeline and put Black Widow in? Well, why can't we do it? Let's do this about everyone. Let's do this for Hawkeye. Let's do this for Nebula. Let's do this for any character. Just fucking name them. Why is Black Widow more deserving of existence than Guardians of the Galaxy 2? Why? I've been right that. Maybe, but I'm still holding my breath for Adam Warlock to show up. Marvel waited until Captain Mar- First female- You know, sent here that's the angle female century. Brought this absolute entertainment fest out at any point. And guess what, both of these films- Well, it's not that, first of all, it's not that simple getting all of these people involved in these productions to make these films. It's not that simple, but even then, I don't know, why does he keep insisting that other things need to be moved down in the way to make room for this movie? Yeah, because we enter the purely hypothetical we've been talking about. You know, like if we say it should have been Phase 2. If someone says, like, you guys realize you can't just drop it into Phase 2. It's like, you don't have the money, the contracts, the people. I'm like, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying that's probably where I would have put it with God-like powers, you know? Yeah, it's like, so for him, I don't know why he's like, okay, so our restriction is it has to replace a different movie. Why did that have to replace a different movie? When they were like making Guardians 2, it's not like they thought, would it be more viable or less viable to make Black Widow here? It was like, I doubt that. I don't think that that was the call that they made. I think they thought the Black Widow just wasn't viable enough. And then, yeah, and then they realized, or it actually would be viable. Yeah, but Guardians 1 proved Guardians 2 would probably be viable. Black Widow... And off that, you know... Yeah, Black Widow was just fucking... It probably is late by their standards too, the production-y people. They were probably like, we probably were a little late with this one. Because Captain Marvel coming first, you'd think that it's a more surefire bet to release Black Widow than Captain Marvel? Yeah, you'd think so. But again, I don't want to pretend to know how they made these decisions. What if they said, no, we don't want to release Black Widow first because Captain Marvel is less sure and we can sandwich it between two sure things, thus pushing that product and like Black Widow can handle itself, that sort of thing. Like that could have been it. I don't know. But the idea, like, fuck this movie. I don't want it released at all. So, like, if we're gonna get to that point... Terrible. We'd be better off if it didn't exist. Yeah. Yeah. The Civil War would have been for obvious reasons, but this version with this cast probably could have only come out now. And I like it. I know you like it. You fucking have to for your fucking job. I mean, yeah, look how much... It makes me wonder if this is all an act, or do you just like every fucking piece of sloth that you're given by a corporation? I have to wonder how annoying it is to be a fan of his. You'll never know what he actually likes because he's paid to like everything. I mean, paid by... That's his job. That's how he's set out his job. So, like, how do you even know? I guess he's honest. Sometimes you might even say I don't like this movie despite praising it or something like that. I haven't watched all of his videos, but... It's just, it must be so annoying. And it doesn't mean the end. So, you apologize to Scar Joe, Disney. Make some more content. And you like it. Okay. I already told you... Anything more consumery than that? Disney, please make more content. I need it. Just stop making more content for me. Even though this character is dead. He just wants more. Needs more. Mom, mom, mom. He is the... You were in it all in ten years. It's the glutton for consumerism. Someone in chat said it's an act he's admitted to it being a shtick for a few times on record. So, is it just a lie, then? What does that mean? Is that just the joke something you always pretending to be stupid? Like, what is that? I was just pretending to like this film. Is that the idea? I'm not even saying it from a point of view of like, oh, I'm pretending to be stupid. So, we don't actually know how he feels about this film from the video. Is the shtick that he... That it's like, hey... Yeah, I'm a little confused now. Is there a place we can go where he doesn't lie to me? What the fuck is the point? You can't get information out of him. He is terrible at relaying information. But then, so what leaves that? It's like, well, you still have... You get to know what he feels about something, right? That's valuable. If you value his perspective and you line up with him. It's like, you don't even have that. What do you get from this? What does that mean? Yeah, what... What is that again? Because like, he's avoided talking about like, 80% of the movie. And of course he did, because that 80% is fucking dreadful. But of the things he talked about, he missed a lot of good stuff he could have actually complimented. He's thrown in so much filler. Like, it's honestly kind of a surprise. I don't remember being this bad and the other times we covered him. And then we don't even know what he's telling the truth. Like... What the hell? It's like, this thing, I would like to know how you really feel. That'd be nice. I feel like, I feel with us, we're just like honest to the point where it annoys people. Absolutely. But I don't know. I don't see how... I just... Remember, this is the pretend. I want to know what a YouTuber thinks. This is the pretend what it's what you wanted guy. It's like, I don't know that he... Does he actually do that with everything? God, I tend to like to... That's the thing, it's hard to say. What next week is in one and if you didn't see the teaser frame, that means you didn't watch the ad. Oh, that's nice. Like, you better watch the ad so you know what video I'm making next. You have to watch the ad to know what's coming out. Fine, I still love you. And I'll see y'all next week. What do we got? Next week? It takes you a week to put out some of this shit. Apparently. I hint that Long Falls are maybe survivable. So he is acknowledging this. That's nice. Parachuting that one. I mean, it's fucked up parachute and she hits pretty damn hard and of course she's fine, but... Well, that's just like Stingeth. That, hey, if she can survive that maybe she shouldn't have died in the fall which is the standard joke to make. Yeah, I agree. All right. Makes me wonder what the fuck they were thinking when they made this movie but hey, why think if everyone's going to clap? Why work hard? Yeah, why work hard? That was terrible. It was really bad. I'm going to refrain from saying it's one of the worst videos we've watched, okay? Say it too much. Yeah, I think it's definitely up there. I think that is a totally fair... I got so a little out of that in terms of like commentary on the film itself. There was just a lot of things of like, ha, thing, ding. Oh, there was a thing, ding. And then like... Sometimes you'd be like, this is a flaw, ding. Wyn. You're like, wait, what? Yeah. And then there'd be times where it's like you overlook things that are kind of worth talking about as good things in the film and you just gloss over it. Why don't you do that? Bad. Bad. All right, well, I would like to go to the toilet. So if you guys would like to discuss something, I'll be right back. I don't... Wow, I... You know what? I'm going to use the loo as well. Tringing? You got this. Okay. This is the solo show. This is your moment to shine. You can do it. I believe in you. We need to have a conversation about let people like things because it feels super relevant when we think about a video like this. Do you ever noticed how if you express a positive opinion on something, that's really cool. That's great. It's awesome. You're sharing something that you love. Hey, that's pretty neat. And then you're like, well, you know what? I didn't like something. Wow. So opinionated. Just let people enjoy things. Why you got to be such a meanie? Now, the reality is, is that positive or negative criticism like should surely be treated as a neutral thing in the sense that they are roughly equivalent to one another in terms of their value or in terms of what they say about you as a person. But for whatever reason, it doesn't really matter if you're positive and just saying things that aren't true. That's fine because you're expressing a positive opinion. But if you're negative, oh, watch out. Oh, no. Be careful. You're doing the wrong thing. You don't want to bad. Stop it. And it's got, I am not a fan. I'm not a fan of that attitude. I think that that attitude prevents us from being honest with each other about what we actually think. I believe that attitude is detrimental to the idea of growing at any skill that you're trying to cultivate that there should be room for both positivity. And I don't even like the idea of framing it as negativity. There should be room for people to just speak honestly about what they think about something. And you shouldn't just, it shouldn't just be a foregone conclusion that any negative perspective that you have on anything at all is worthless or shouldn't be shared. It should just be kept to yourself. I feel like it gets really hammered home when you look at something like this, where it's a video where it's just a constant stream of positive, well, it's a constant stream of positivity, but there's nothing for me to latch on to. And it almost kind of feels like we're not even getting a fully, I don't want to, I don't want to say that it's like dishonest. It just feels like an unwillingness to share the perspective that you really have because it would be too toxic if you did need to normalize people being able to say that they didn't like something. Are you guys still covering? No, we're done now. That's it, fortunately. It's the end, the end of the line. I'm not telling you what's in the goo. That's a patented trademark, fringy secret. All right. That's my goo. It's not your goo yet. Not yet anyway. We'll see how things develop. We'll see how things pan out. It's been a difficult process trying to get that all sorted out and doing testing, figuring out the, you know, exactly the full applicability of this goo. Goo plushy when? Oh, well, I'll think about that. Maybe I'm not sharing the secrets of the goo. Asking is not going to prompt me to share more. I'm sorry. You can't fault him for trying, right? I, you know what? I feel like there might be room to just, you know, we weren't talking about how, you know, if you share a negative opinion, that's bad. But you've got to respect people's privacy, too. Speaking of which, give me a minute. I'll be right back. Oh, what are you doing, Frankie? Tell us. Yep, it's our turn. We're back. We're back, baby. EFAP Classic. We got it. The new, the new persons here. So we can chat about stuff. I think he was talking about it all, this, this aspect of criticism where, or being critical where we want the positive, we don't want the negative. Just cultivate this air of dishonesty, basically. Like, how could it not? I mean, like, do you want, you got to be honest with these movies, man. If you just like it, if you, if everything, if everyone likes everything, you're not going to get anything good. You know, it's not going to be any, I mean, if you get, if you get something that's good, it's because you lucked out and got someone who just actually cares about something that's actually good. I don't know if you remember, the time on YouTube where, like, cinema wins inception, and they applaud him for this, has been like, oh, in a world where negativity is rewarded. And just like, everyone's negative about films. Everyone loves to do film rants and stuff, and this is all negativity. It's nice to get some positivity. I'm just sitting there like, no, the response to it was to be critical of the negativity, if it was inaccurate. That was what you were supposed to do. You fucked up. But hey, at least we're here to do that. I think if, in an alternate universe where cinema wins was not stupid and good at his job, right? Where he could actually, theoretically, really go into films and find the legitimately good things that had effort and attention paid to them and rewarded those and kind of was a, was like a rebroadcast beacon, if you will, like a megaphone for those things to get more eyes and attention on it, that could be potentially very valuable. But if the bar is set so low that everything must be praised, if even a film as crap as Black Widow needs to have two videos done on it, then like, you're just gonna, you're gonna false flag all the time. It's all gonna be shit. And that was honestly kind of a keyword there that you said needs. It's like, yeah, he seems to think that we gotta do it. We gotta. It's like, why? It's like, to be fair, it seems, and with people saying that he's like, not genuine in these videos, so who the fuck do I know? But like, it seems that he liked Black Widow. He wasn't praising it. It seems to be the case. Like, out of, I don't know, obligation. He seemed to be doing it for real. I think I saw a video, I think, I haven't seen many of them, but I think I saw he did a video on Logan and he said that he didn't like Logan. Wow. Because of like how negative and bleak it was. God, I feel like he and I would never get a long film opinion wise. So I guess it's just, I don't know what, I don't know what he's in it for, but I really like the gambit. And I guess I just don't, I don't think that it is particularly great, especially if you're coming into it from the perspective of I really appreciate the work that you guys do to consider all of it to be awesome. I feel like that really devalues the work that is put in by like the people who make the best stuff, you know? People who are making the really good content, the masterpieces, the trailblazers, the really great content. I think it devalues their work to just be like, well, no, it's all great. It all has value in a certain sense. Or it can have whatever value you want, depending on what is important to you in your life and the things that are, you know, your experiences, the themes that resonate with you, that's totally fine. It's a completely different conversation from like the, well, that thought just poofed out of my brain. That's just gone. I mean, well, to piggyback off it a little bit, if we had like two people who, one of them is just like Ryan Johnson, where they recognize that there's a flaw. And you know that he has that capacity because he invented parts to his film where he would try and explain things. So he's aware of the process of something not making sense and that affecting your story. You know, we can safely observe that. But most of the time he's going to be like, ah, it's fine. People aren't here for that. They're here for the other stuff. Well, there's another writer who's like, in the same amount of time Ryan had, he worked real hard, didn't sleep several nights, and got those fucking things all cornered off, make sure that nothing is holy. And this cinema wins can't tell a difference. It's real sad. That's unfortunate. That is really, if that's the case for him. Assume, well, assuming the character he plays can't tell a difference. I don't know if that... They're like, you've been missing out though. You know, you're missing out. So anyway, you guys want to do some super chats? I'd love to do some super chats. You might get something insightful out of them. From what I gather, we have, is it just under two hours before we will have to end? I, two hours is the, is the tap. Honestly, that takes us to just over nine hours of an episode, which I think is more than okay. Not short man bad. For you people, nine hours we've been dancing. No short man bad chat. We'll fuck you up. Like a puppet on strings. I have strings, but now I'm free. I'm cutting them strings. I'm Lewis gunning those strings. I always get the fucking mini mushrooms. Bringen doesn't have any goo. Don't listen to these slanderous lies. Damn. Um, is a slanderous lie. Short man banning. You told them. You told them that, not to do it, and they did it. Well, the rookie mistake. Hey thunder, stop banning. Stop banning. They, they, they disobeyed. Uh, so the first one is fuck mary kill for chat. Mola rags, Fringy. I guess they all got to make their decisions on that one. And we can, we can start looking at the results any second now, I guess. I'm curious who gets the most voted for kill. I'm going to go ahead and guess that it's going to be me. Kill Mola. Oh, oh yeah. I'm invincible. So you could try. Kill Mola again. Sure. Oh, Mola, sorry. Oh, wait, marry Mola. Sorry, Fringy. Okay. Kill Fringy. Sorry. Sorry for Fringy that you're killing him or that you're not marrying him. Kill Fringy. It seems, nobody's killing rags. There you go rags. No, one guy killed rags. Oh, well, I, let me, let me get his name for no reason whatsoever. Can you find out who that is? I'm going to black widow you. I'm going to stand out in the open in front of your house with a silly black leather outfit and a brandished long gun. And don't forget to call around bullets. Oh, I've got to have my lucky four extra bullets. Yeah, because they're, yeah. The rounds for the gun that I don't carry. Random bullets. I just have like a bandolier. Like this is an old West film. Black Widow. Music by Inyo Morikane. Oh, that'd be, that'd be the way to go. Yeah. Did you watch the John Carpenter video part one from Red Light Media? I did. Oh, I've been enjoying that. It's fun. I really like it. Yeah. Most of those films I just flat out have not seen. So they fucked up the format. They have it so that Jay tells his first and then they're not allowed to talk about it. And then Rich says his and then they talk about a completely different film. What they should have done was Rich says his. And that will now be the topic from 15 up to one or 16, whatever it was. And what Jay does, and Jay says is where that is on his list. Exactly. That was the way to do it. Instead, they got tangled several times trying to talk about different things. It's like you fools. You, you, you fucked it up. But that's okay. I'm curious what they'll say when they get to like the, one of the most controversial choices was Rich put in Halloween at 13, I think, or something like that. I think he explained that it just wasn't a movie for him. He never said like negative things about it. It was pretty much just I don't. I'm not into slashers and I can sympathize. I'm not really, I'm not into slashers either really. I don't see them. I just don't really care for slashers. They just don't really appeal to me. So I can, I can kind of understand where he's coming from. They're not my go-to. I can enjoy them, but they're just not really my, not really my, you know, sort of thing, I guess. I mean, I can outtake that. I guess they're pretty neutral. Oh, is that a hot take? No, I can out-hot take you. Oh, I mean, this is, I've made this clear on other streams. I can't remember if I've said any fat before. I don't remember, but I'm big into horror and I have never liked the slasher genre. I thought it was shit. And when I first saw Halloween for its reputation, I was like, that was a lot of nothing. That's my hot take. I have no interest in seeing Halloween. I have no interest in seeing the Nightmare Before Christmas. I have more interest in seeing. Yeah, I just, I don't, I just don't care for slasher. If, I just don't really care for slashers. It's just not interesting to me. And if the spectacle is, oh, but the kills are cool, then I'll just watch the compilation. So that's the thing. And I know I said this on a stream. I just don't remember which one it was. It wasn't, I sort of realized as time went on, it wasn't quite, it depends on how you categorize all this shit. I don't particularly care. But like, I adore Alien and Predator. And both of those films are a group of people gradually getting killed by one entity, which follows along with stuff like Halloween and Friday the 13th and stuff. So what's the difference? It's like, I mean, I could talk forever about how much more interesting Predator and Alien are. And character relationships. And the character work is so much better. And yeah, like, as you heard Jay defending it, he was like, well, you know, there's lots of really cool shots. There's a lot of creepiness to it that he's sort of standing in the distance watching. And I think I kind of feel the same way about Halloween as Scary Movie did. Did you guys ever see Scary Movie, either of you? I've not seen Scary Movie. But I don't remember anything about it. So there's a scene where she's in school and it's reflective of an actual scene in Halloween. So the actual scene is they look out the window and they see him standing next to a tree. And then they look like at the rest of the class, like, what the fuck? And they look back out and he's gone. And it's like, damn, that is creepy, right? In Scary Movie, she looks out the window and sees him just standing there staring. And she looks around in the classroom and we cut back to the killer who then immediately rushes behind the tree really awkwardly. And then she turns back and looks and he's gone. And it's like, yeah, that's what I pictured. Because you know that's what he has to expend. Exactly, yeah. And it amuses me as I'm just like, what are you doing? Meanwhile, Alien and Predator are hunting. So they'll be in a position where you can only vaguely make them out if you actually caught them and then they will try and hide. And like, that's way more interesting to me than I'm gonna stand next to this tree until she sees me. Good thing the camera wasn't facing that direction or else something awkward might have happened. And if someone was like, he's hunting too. It's like, not really. He's looking to be seen by her to then disappear. Because that's creepy. And it's just like, I don't know, self-awareness from the enemy, I guess. I would be interested in watching the Halloween movies specifically to talk about how good I don't think they are. More so from a writing standpoint, I'd be willing as well to concede that filmmaking-wise there's lots of stuff to praise about Halloween. But I know in chat, have you seen the Halloween remake? That a lot of people praise because there was involvement from different people as well as Jamie Lee Curtis. Holy fuck, that movie's bad. And like, I would actually like to watch that for if that moves at some point. Because I watched it with, I think, cynic snacks, glib, and someone else. It was just a really random thing where I was like, I'd like to see the remake. Yeah, sure. I'm not talking about the Rob Zombie one. I'm talking about the new remake. We were fucking blown away by some of the things that happened in that movie. And honestly, that's why I'd have some level of excitement, actually. We could do the Halloweens back-to-back, the original, and then the new one. The 2018 one, yeah. Not the Rob Zombie one. Nobody fucking liked the Rob Zombie one. By the way, no, you finish, you finish. I was just going to say, so I wouldn't want to write off all slashes. Right at the 13th, I didn't really care about either. I was like, eh, it's fine. On the same level as Rich, if they go nuts with it, he's like a hulking monster that's powered by lightning bolts hitting him in his grave and he runs around. He gives excessive, ridiculous, funny kills to people. I'm much more engaged. I can't take it seriously, obviously, but that's kind of the point. Yeah, that's kind of where I am. If we were going to watch Slashers, the only, to my immediate memory, kind of the only one I'd really be interested in seeing is the Nightmare on Elm Street ones. Yeah, so I was going to say. Because I hear those are really imaginative and clever. I like them because of the fact that the dreams will often be, the ways of killing people are not only inventive, but they'll typically match the character in some way, shape, or form, about their fears or whatever. As conceptually, it's so much more layered than Halloween being it's a guy. We don't know why he's doing it. He just turns up in places and stabs people. I don't know, that, that. Okay. And if someone said like, oh, what are you saying? It can't be scary. It's like, no, I can see why people find it scary. I just don't find it interesting. That's basically it. But hey, I wouldn't mind watching it to give a better take on all of it, but it was really neat to see that so low in Rich's list. I was like, oh, I'm not alone in the world. I don't really like it that much either. Halloween original in 2018 Free Fat Movies? Yeah, I think that could work. We could even do the trifecta. It got remade twice now. So we could watch the original, which is the best quote unquote, and Rob Zombie's and then the new new one. I don't even know who made the new one. Is that new new? New new. Also, I want to watch Freddy versus Jason. I'm sure. Yeah, go crazy with it. Yeah. Just go ridiculous and crazy with it. I like, I, it's almost in a way where it's a genre for me where either it's something like nine year on Elm Street where it's got to be inventive and interesting or it's, it has to be really, really bad so that I can laugh at it and get enjoyment from it. Because I feel like a lot of them are just going to be at Mola. What do you think murder is? The unlawful killing of another person, I think, right? Yeah, that's what murder is. Alrighty, next. That's an odd Kubrick chat. I'm not sure what prompted it. I must have said something that, I don't know. What do you all think is Stanley Kubrick's best movie? I don't know. I'd have to, I don't know. I'm not familiar enough with this movie. I haven't watched enough of them to have a statement that's worthwhile. So, I love Doctor Strange, love, and I love Full Metal Jacket. Then A Clockwork Orange in 2001 and movies that I have a lot of respect for, but they're not like, they don't come to my mind when I think of my favorite stuff. But then it's probably The Shining. I still quite love The Shining. I find that movie really creepy and it holds up in terms of the creep factor considering it was made in 1980s. I wouldn't want to imply that that like, it means you won't be scary if it's old. It's like, I mean, this, you know, alien is fucking old as hell too. It's just that, yeah, and to be honest with you, I don't think I've seen much more than that for his movies. In chat we got Eyes Wide Shut. I have not seen that. Full Metal Jacket for sure, Doctor Strange, love. The Ring was really good. I don't think he made The Ring. Stanley Kubrick's The Ring. I mean, it could have been cool. Yeah. That's like with those horror movies and stuff, I don't really care about watching them. I'll just go on YouTube and watch the scary clips and stuff. Because I don't want to, I don't... Which ones are you talking about? Just kind of every, just kind of every, like a lot of them. I just want to get the highlights because I'm not interested enough and I want to see the monsters and the kills and some of the tense moments. I just don't want to sit through all the stuff in the middle for a lot of these movies. I just don't have much of an interest in. Would you do that with like Alien and Aliens? No. So you... No, I like these movies. They're like classic horror movies. A lot of them are just the... A lot, what are some examples? They would be... Like movies, I don't have an interest enough to watch, but I still want to get the good parts of them. So an example would be maybe... God, a lot of them are blinking. There's a lot of the... Um... I can... The clips are in my head, but the names of the movies don't stick with me. The Ritual, the one where they're in the French catacombs, and it's the found footage one with the creatures in the catacombs. I did it with the new Blair Witch movie. Well, so it sounded like your idea here is that you do it for the ones that are bad, but how do you know they're... How do you know they're bad before having seen them? I don't know. But some of them I just don't have a real interest in. And some, I don't want to... Just, I just don't have an interest in some of them. I'm just like, oh, I'll just go through and just watch scary clips from movies. Uh, I mean, do whatever you want. Obviously, I just... It sounds like you could spoil some stuff for yourself there. Because if... I could. Like if someone stumbled across a lot of the kill scenes or whatever from like Predator before having watched it, it'd be like, oh man. Yeah, sure. Because obviously my favorite horror movies, they do all of the... Like, you know, like the haunting stuff. As much as we said we're not in it for the horror, that is still my preference for like horror movies. I want good characters. I don't want it to be... Yeah, absolutely. Just like string scenes as Ren reviews once called them, right? Where we just get to the point of they die, which by the way is a lot of horror movies. So I can understand. Rags confirmed would use Blinkist. No, I think it's... These are kind of movies where I guess they don't have like a... I don't know. They're not like the greats, you know? They're not the ones that are held up on pedestals and generally agree you're like amazing or something like that. But it's just like, oh, the movie from the da-da-da and it's just some old movie that I just have... They literally have no interest in other than, oh, maybe the clips are cool. Okay, so like if you saw and you recommended like really scary best clips from The Shining, would you avoid it because it's The Shining? Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I have not seen clips from The Shining other than just what you will pick up naturally from existing on the internet in the 21st century, which is not much. I know very little of The Shining and concept. I'm aware of like, oh, the kids in the hallway with the blood, but I don't know any of the context for it, you know, so... Because like that clip will just pop up here and there. I'm aware of some of the memes, but I don't go for The Shining stuff because that would be one where I'd be like, oh, that's considered one of the great horror films of all time. That would be one that I'd want to actually see. You guys seem biased somewhat against old movies. What? I honestly feel like we're less so than most, but... I did a whole video talking about a movie from the 50s that's entirely in black and white. I often... We watched Citizen Kane just for the lulls. I rewatched Citizen... Well, I watched it... Sorry, I watched it, yeah, for the first time like a few months ago. I thought it was great. I was super happy with it. I had always heard like... I really enjoyed that, yeah. Like, oh, Citizen Kane. Well, yeah. It's the best movie I've ever gone in, so I was like... So maybe they misunderstood... And then I saw it and it was great. Maybe they misunderstood when I say something like, it's this good despite being out this year, what I'm saying is they did a really good job, not just a good job, because of the limitations they would have had. Yeah, just like... The Jurassic Park CGI despite the year it came out looks incredible, you know, and something like that. It can be distracting. It can, if it's really dated. It can. Like, there is an aspect of if the technology isn't there and you try to go for it, like the prequels. There are some fucking flat-out bad CGI in that movie. Oh, absolutely. In those movies. That's just... I mean, it is what it is. But I mean, there is, I guess, a limit. What is the oldest movie that we appreciate? Is it Citizen Kane? I think it might be Citizen Kane. There are probably movies that came out before that we watched them like the silent films from... I've seen a couple of them. I don't think I've seen any silent films. There's a lot of stuff in Buster Keaton's work that's really cool and wild. Oh yeah, I've seen a lot of Buster Keaton's clips and compilations and things. And I... That's the thing. There's a lot of old movies that we can appreciate. There's a lot of things I can appreciate, but I just don't fucking lie. And I understand that, especially when it comes to movies. I mean, a lot of people have to crawl so that we could run now. But I enjoy watching a lot of the old TV shows and movies because there is such a difference in how shots were made, the way characters talk, the way scenes and plots progressed. A lot of them were still... Like you had theaters for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years. Since Time Immemorial, you had theaters, essentially. So when movies were coming out, they had a theatrical-ness to them that was a holdover from what they knew and it changes and evolves. And I find that very interesting. It is super interesting. I was just going to ask, like, when did The Winds of the Wilds come out? That was in the 30s, right? 39, 38? Yeah, I like that movie. Yeah, I like that a lot. By the way, that was kind of a flop when it came out. Yeah, kind of, a little bit. Yeah. And now it's generally guarded as the most famous film of all time? Possibly the most famous film of all time, yeah. Maybe Snow White. Snow White came out in 1939. I really respect that movie. Absolutely. I remember my dad used to show me Laurel and Hardy movies that they made and they're fucking super old. On Wikipedia it says, Years Actives 27 to 55. I'm not sure if that's representative exactly. Yeah, but the thing is, because I remember them being just black and white and comedies, but I loved them. So, like, we definitely don't have a bias against old stuff. We're more than willing to, to be fair, I'm actually possibly biased for them because I'm like, I'm looking at something that had a lot less benefit of a whole wealth of past stuff. A lot of shoulders to stand on, yeah. Exactly. And then I'm much more interested to see, like, how did they manage all of this? What were they focusing on? You can tell from the writing what the values they had as well, even if it is from a fucking 100 years ago. And I'm one of my favorite VHSs to watch as a kid was a, it was a VHS, it was like a documentary in a way. Fantastic. I think it was called like, Fantastic Monsters from the Movies or something like that. And a huge chunk of it was devoted to Ray Harryhausen. And the stop motion Monsters of Jason and the Argonauts and Sinbad the Sailor and some of those old movies, which would be an interesting arc, by the way, for us to do, those old inventory kind of movies. I have an insane amount of appreciation for that kind of work that goes into all that stuff and the, the tricks that they could play with cameras and how do they blend them and how do the actors, like when Jason's fighting that skeleton, you can, like that shit is, that was revolutionary at the time, a lot of that stuff. And you appreciate the acting of, okay, pretend you're fighting a skeleton as best you can and we're going to have him kind of do that and the other thing. And so you, you know, like all the, the work that goes into making that happen and you're like, man, that's, that's impressive. I can absolutely appreciate it. I mean, I can't remember if the film good or not. Maybe it's a stinker, maybe not, but holy shit, I appreciate it. If that stuff didn't exist, then I, which is some of the things that people say like the prequel Defender Defense is, yeah, well, the CGI was that's a dub, but, you know, it helped push it forward. And I'm like, yeah, I can appreciate that. It's still shit. You know, there's, there's YouTubers that get defended that way. What's his name? Fucking Irate Gamer. He was really early guys. You know, he, he probably inspired a lot of YouTubers to do agri reviews, even though he was a totalist copy. It's like, it does matter. Push some things forward. Appreciate that. But yeah, you know, I, I'm a fan of a lot of old stuff. And like I said, in some ways, they're more fascinating to watch just to see what they do. Especially because they're not a part of the sludge pipe. They couldn't be. Fringy, was your goo what the dark powers used to turn elves into orcs? No. Hey, we're getting there, chat. If you keep asking it, we keep narrowing it down by process of elimination. Could your goo turn an orc into an elf? No, that's, that is not a property of goo. My goo anyway. Hi, boys. Rags, don't get gaslighted by the bad moly. Yeah, I'm moller. I will gaslight whoever I want. Oh my god. There's freedom for you. The arrogance. Hey, y'all, just got a new position at my job and will be off weekends for the first time in 17 years. Now I get to EFAP every Saturday. Also, hi, Rags. Wow, hello. Congrats, dude. Yeah, have fun, I guess. You know, we'll be here most if not every Saturday. And hey, you got Friday and Saturdays with EFAP now. The night of the month coming because you got a Resident Evil movie and then the stream from us. Can be great. Do you think the mayor was too easily convinced? Talking about midnight mass, I would suppose. And again, try and remain as spoiler free as possible. I don't think so. I can understand why he made that decision. I think they handled it pretty well. They show him pushing back quite a bit, but it's really hard. I think it's going to be quite the challenge when you've got what he sees happen and what happens for him and his family. It's going to be hard to go back on that, especially if you think it's connected to the religion. I think the show does a pretty decent job at giving you the impression of, yeah, I can see why somebody would go along with this. It's not a show that portrays it as totally outlandish that anyone would buy this sort of thing. You could totally see why someone could be swept under the spell, essentially. It doesn't treat those people as necessarily stupid, which is one thing I like. It's by no means an anti-religious show. I really like how it handles religion. Yeah, I certainly didn't think so, but some people really do, from what I've read. Yeah, it definitely seems to go a pretty safe route of zealotry is bad. It's far more religion's very broad umbrella of different things and you should be a good person more than anything else. Mola, dissect the plot of the Sonic movie. I'm still not seeing that. You've seen that, right? Yeah, I have not. It's not good, but it's kind of like not good in the old school. Not good, sort of like a three or a four. Yeah, but it tries to have a story about, hey, we're buddies and we're coming together to save the world, that kind of thing. So it's very enjoyable. Like other, is it funny or is it interesting to watch? I didn't find it very funny, but I did kind of enjoy watching it. It was a bit of fun at times. Chris Pratt as Mario might as well have critical drinker play and makes as much sense. I mean, Chris Pratt's a good voice actor. Like it's just, because like I liked him in the Lego movie. Yeah, he's great in the Lego movie. It's just I didn't expect to ever hear Chris Pratt as Mario. I am willing to say that. I can't imagine his voice coming out of that character. I'm willing to say that I will give it a shot. I don't even know what to expect though. I don't expect to like it, but I'm not expecting to like hate it. I just, I can't see it myself. Maybe he'll do a great job. I mean, I hope he does, but I guess we'll see. Just finished midnight mass. It's great. And I refuse to accept any hot takes to the contrary. So be nice. Oh, well, I'm sorry. Sorry about that last episode. Yeah. The last episode is catastrophically bad. Sorry. Thoughts on the Star Wars anime, especially episode seven is objectively the best, but episode three is insane, nutty, hilarious, outlandish Tism. It's all weird, but cool. You see when anime does it, it's great. But when other things do it, it's shit. Dude. Something I've noticed. There's a clip. Just something I've noticed. Well, let me describe to you a bizarre thing I could just come up with that's insane, right? I've done in videos before to try and prove a point, but what if like, what if you're in like an X-Wing and you pop open the top while in space and you activate a mountain size lightsaber? You turn on your thing. I can't. I'm dead. No, shut up. So I turn on like the lightsaber and it's like that's tall as a mountain. It's fucking enormous. And then I drive. Well, the X-Wings piloted like by BBA or fucking whatever R2D2. And it pilots me underneath and I chop the entire Star Destroyer in half by doing that. Remember when TLJ came out and we used analogies that were pretty much exactly what this was to ask how far, how stupid could something go and before people stopped clapping? Maybe or maybe we should have been like excluding if it's an anime because then it's OK if it's an anime. I mean, the scenario I just described, I'm not even going to tell you about the dialogue is what happens. I'm sure the dialogue is incredible. And the first thought I had is just exactly what you're saying. I was like, so if they did this in TLJ you'd all be shitting on it. So what the fuck's going on? It's like, well, this anime is a different universe, a different style, it's a different sort of thing. OK, all right then. It's not retarded. It's fine. A funny sentence. It's not retarded. It's fine. And this is coming from somebody who appreciates there's a lot of good anime out there. I'm not denying that. But holy fuck, guys. But you know what? I'm not saying the whole show's bad. I'm only of the clips I've seen. But yeah, I'm just I just don't understand this. Like, oh, this anime is great. This anime is bad. This anime is great. When people say that, I just like, I just don't like when people say that. I just don't know what to think of you. You're discovering the absolute state of Bettywebes. I can believe it. I can believe it. I heard that one was the really good episode. You are fucking with me, of course. Fuck me, Jesus Christ. But no, we've not seen visions, nor do I really intend to watch it. Nor probably will we. I'm not interested. Yeah, I'm not interested. Try to watch a quiet place to on a plane. Boring as fuck. From what I heard, it made less sense than the first one. So I like that's a big oof. I'd be interested to see the two of them for e-fat movies. That'll be fun. Yeah, a quiet fap. Donkey Kong. We do. Yeah, everybody's made that joke, haven't they? The joke to make, I suppose. Yeah. End of the film. Mr. Mario, you've become part of a bigger universe. You just don't know it yet. Also, high rags, Mola, Shad, Fringy, Indiegogo, and Indiegogo. And we can war it. Yeah, hello. Indiegogaming's parents divorced over the Mario movie. Is this because he was critical of it? I don't know. I don't understand that reference. Oh, the original one? Well, if any film is going to cause a divorce. Oh, no. Oh, no. It is, has his dad considered saving his mom from a dinosaur turtle? I don't know. That's another movie I look forward to seeing in e-fat movies. So much potential. Which one? The original Mario movie with Bob Hoskins. Oh, yeah. I do not know anything about it, other than it's strange and not anything really like Mario itself. When we get a date for the new one, we'll probably try and get it watched right before. Wait, the new what? Sorry? The new, like the Nintendo Mario movie, whatever it is. Oh, that's coming out December next year. Okay. We've got plenty of time though. 20 foot, yeah, it's still a while away. How about Bowser's VA from Mario Sunshine instead? I mean, that wasn't good either. The voices in Mario Sunshine were pretty weird. Mario, how dare you ruin our family vacation. Mario. How are you doing? It was very, I don't know how to put it. Like the voice hacking was very like... Is it like Uncanny Valley levels? Oh, it's incredibly uncanny. Yeah, it's weird. It felt like the actors were told not to take it that seriously that it's bullshit or something. I don't know. It's a very odd vibe listening to everybody talking that fucking thing. Well, yeah, it's just, I think there is a reason why Bowser has never spoken again, except in subtitles. And I think it's because of that game. Like it just, it doesn't work. I don't think I want to hear anything except... Or it needs to be like... Oh, is it for manual crossing? Babelies or animalies? Where they just make the... Okay, so I'm playing the beaver game right now, as we're kind of talking about this. Naturally. And when you click on the beavers, they do like the sims thing. They're like, oh, to be happy you have a doba. You know, like this fake little language thing. And you're like, okay, that's cool. Or when the tech scrolls by an animal crossing. You know, it does that kind of noise. Yeah. I feel like that's as far as I could go with the Mario stuff a lot of the time. Oh, yeah, that's, that's, that's all they ever do when... And even if it's human characters like Peach or something, they just go like... Oh, like that's, they don't actually speak in full sentences. Peach occasionally speaks in full sentences. This thing. If the Sunshine voice actors were the same, but the writing was top notch, it would be such a weird experience because you'd be like... But okay, it's not really... It's just Mario. Yeah. But honestly, we'll just have to see how they do, I guess. Yeah. Did you see that Mr. Nuggy said Chris Pratt getting cast as Mario was italia phobia? How is it phobia? Italian, italian... That's so fake. Italian phobia. What is the phobia though? Is it like... Of italians, yeah. They're terrifying. Okay. How italians are? I wonder if Chris Pratt has any italian heritage. It would be so fucking funny if you, like, both of his parents were italian or something. Yeah, or like you could trace it back to Italy somehow. Well, that's the thing. Italians are in that weird list of white as a race. So you can't look at someone a lot of the time and be like, that's definitely an italian or definitely isn't. So people get tricked into doing stuff like that where they jump the gun. Yeah, and there's like this sort of... You know how you can make fun of russians to the fucking cows come home and no one gives a shit? Because they're like the whitest of white, white, white, white, white. Italians are in a weird spot right now where I think progressives don't know whether they should be defending them or not. I think the reason why is because it's Mediterranean, right? And they're in the same category as like Greek people. Yeah, the Greeks, Mediterranean, all the Sicilians, lesbians, haha. But you can't... Well, what you're being highlighting to us is how ridiculous all of this is. Yes. Can we just stop focusing on this, please? Can we stop? Please stop. They ain't stop any time soon. We'll just continue to paddle along in our little rowboat. We ain't doing that shit, fuck that. Not like Waluigi, he's dropped into that pool. You would think that they'd say that Mario... I'm sure it's been said where Mario and Luigi and all that. They are offensive stereotypes. Yes, that must have been said by somebody at some point. Yeah. I think they realized that was one that just wasn't flying by with folks. So they just said fuck it. Honestly, right? I think it's just because it's too beloved as an IP. You can't like it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You'd think that would apply to a poo, but like I think that he got out of it. They got into it because of the fact that he's not the main star, I guess. Because maybe if it was like a homer, they wouldn't have been able to do it. Well, maybe they could have. I don't know because maybe it's because it's a game. Because I was about to say like a lot of episodes for TV shows are getting blacklisted now. Like that's still happening. They did one recent... I shit it in our group chat one recently for some show. I can't remember if it was Community or it was something else. It could have been Seinfeld, I think. But episodes are still getting removed because too offensive. I think maybe Mario the element is it's too wholesome. Like nobody's going to be on board with you. Like saying that there's something deeply wrong with this. It's like, dude, it's Mario. He jumps around. He's a happy little plumber. He saves the day. Yeah. How are you going to get people out of it? I don't know. Also, it's a Japanese game. It's a Japanese IP. So they're just not connected. Yeah, they don't give a fuck in terms of... I can't imagine them giving a fuck anyway. Maybe, you know, if... I'm wondering now, if there was enough pushback on Twitter, would Chris Pratt like drop the roll? I don't know. I don't know if it's that simple. He might already be locked in, you know? Feel like it doesn't even matter. Like you just got to ride it out and see what happens. It's funny because we're all pushing back for it. The reasons of being unsuitable casting for the voice. Not because like... There's no way. Oh well. Charles Montane's Mario works in the games, but hearing Mario's original voice for the length of the entire film would be just as uncanny. So the format is... He's not going to be speaking a lot, presumably. Yeah. Just have him, have him mercilessly just say, let's go. Huh? Woo-hoo! Yeah! Like, yeah, exactly. Just do that and have other characters go. So I'm assuming people have watched the brawl cutscenes, right? Stuff like that. Yeah, just do the subspace emissary where nobody talks. It's all communicated through... And it gives you opportunities for some great storytelling too. Like Pikachu and Samus, for example. Yeah, they had their little sequences and there was no... Subspace emissary was impressive in a lot of ways with how much they managed to communicate with... Like King Dedede, he was super expressive and fun. You just have all of this and you can do it. You can completely do it. It would be an interesting experiment. Just have minimal dialogue. Or have other characters have like Pauline talk or Peach talk. Even have Luigi talk a little bit more, but just have Mario doing his little normal thing. The brawl cutscenes were largely mediocre, sorry. Whether or not they are, it proves the point. I don't even really agree. I think they did a pretty good job. Considering that they're trying to tell a story with a bunch of these characters from different universes clashing. I wouldn't say that great maze at the end. I still remember that playing through that the first time. It's not fun. I played through all of subspace emissary and I... I don't remember hating it or anything. The cutscenes were nifty. I didn't have an issue with it, but that was a different me at that time. It was fun seeing Kirby like meeting up with King Dedede and they're like, Oh, hey, buddy. I'm so glad to see you. Let's go save the day. There was fun stuff in there. And having like... It was fun. It was really fun. Isn't the opening some kind of like petty piranhas like... Yeah, petty piranha captures Peach and Zelda. And depending on which cage you break first, that changes like who is sort of... Changes who's where and who you have to fight in certain instances. That was fun. That is fun. That was more effort than they needed to put in. They should have hired Vinnie Vinesource to play Mario. It takes all colors to make a rainbow Luigi, except black. There's no black in a rainbow. That would be offensive. They couldn't do that. Well, is black a color? Or is it a shade? Or is it a lack of color? It's kind of like a question. What is the speed of dark? Who knows? Yesterday. I think we can all agree the biggest injustice is having Charlie Day as Luigi, but not Danny DeVito as Mario. Rip gruesome to some... I think DeVito should be Wario. That is the suitable casting for them. Yeah, that is... That's kind of perfect actually. I think yeah, that would be something that I could be like. Okay, all right. Well, it's kind of the same with like Charlie Day as Luigi. For some reason, I'm like, I kind of see it. But at the same time, why don't just have the actual voice? Luigi. Just have Charles Martinet do it. Because I feel like you can make a Luigi's Mansion movie and that can be really cool. Yeah, I agree. That would be a fun little horror movie that, you know, fun for the whole family. Luigi saves the day. And you can have... Yeah, like a like a spoo... Like a spoopy movie. Not a not a scary movie, a spoopy movie. Yeah, exactly. Fun for the whole family. Like the haunted mansion with Eddie Murphy. The haunting of Luigi's Mansion. There you go. Oh my goodness. 56 coins. Thank you. Hi Moogler and friends. Hello. Hello. Time for a language lesson. Try to pronounce... Okay, I'll paste it to you guys. Is that what it actually means? Well, this is the thing. It's a super chat. So it's hard to trust them sometimes. Yeah, I'm gonna double check that. I'm gonna double check. I'm assuming that means 12 months. So if it means something horrifically... Yeah, so if it says something horrific in another language... Okay, apparently it means 12 months in Estonian. Okay. Kax-diced-kud. Kax-diced-kud. That's how I would pronounce it as well though. Unless we're doing the W in the case it's koo-ood. Or would it be koo-ood? Like continu-oom. Like continu-oom. Continu-oom. Kax-diced-kud. That vacuum isn't spelled like continuum. It's just vacuum. That's true. Yeah, so you don't always do that with a W. That's the thing. And luckily I can say W and that's not its own fucking letter because we decided to call one letter W of a double of another letter. Well, I mean it is a W if you think... A WV. No, it's a WV to capitalize it. Um, lowercase W is still depending on which font you're using. It depends on your font. Yeah, generally it's... They'll be pointy and they'll be Vs. Now my personal handwriting, I avoid right angles for the most part when I do my personal handwriting. I do the cute little curved Ws if they're not capitalized. Yeah, mine will be two curves. I don't. But that is... That's my personal... That is your personal. That's not how I do it. Yeah, I think I've been complimented on my handwriting but it's definitely a little bit stylist if you're not to the point where it's like flowery or anything. But I enjoy having good handwriting. It is very satisfying to write a note and looking at it. It's like it's an artistry of its own. So I... Well, that's nice for you. My handwriting deteriorates after a certain amount of time like it starts off good and then it just gets progressively worse and worse as the day goes on. You realize writing isn't fun and you just want to get the message out and go... Oh, I think it's two-fold. It's one I just want to speed it up but the second one is just my hand's getting tired like if I'm doing it for a certain amount of time. I might try to just capital L with a curve. No, some of them I can't do and really get away with. So L's will have... There's a few sharp... There's a few right angles. There's one on the R at the top left and the capital R. There will be one in, like I said, the L Bs will have them but they will... For the most part... I'll try to avoid... Oh, one of the things I do is I'll avoid hooks. So here, let me bring up... Let me bring up my Gimp here and I'll give an example. I could do this with my mouse so we find a File, New. Let's just do a 500, 500... Dude, you can choose for a sad wish from Shy Guy. I wonder what that means. Oh god, he's frowning. He's angry. Oh, he's sad and everything's crying. Wait, that's not crying, that's vomiting. Oh, that's... That's everything. Wow, you ruined the bridge, DK, you fuck. I'm gonna jump ahead for this one super chat. Molar, I just watched an episode of Star Wars anime or the episode you were talking about. As a fan of both Star Wars, excluding sequels and beyond, and anime, I can say the episode is stupid and complete shit. Well, that guy didn't like it. But who knows how many people did love it? I fit... Brown Table reckons this is like the greatest Star Wars content outside of like the OT. Oh man. And I've always trusted Brown Table. It's just... It's a good noggin on that man's head. He knows what's up. He steers me right. Bright side of Shad in quarantine. He can be on EFAT more. I think he's out of quarantine by the time the next EFAT happens, so... I have to be. I think it's two weeks. Yeah. And it will be two weeks. Back to busy, Shad. And a special hello to Rags, the goodest of good boys. Oh, thank you. Oh boy, I can't wait for Gale Boss Peach. Well, I think it's... I would imagine that she's gonna have a lot more of a role. Yeah. Then she does in the games. Typically. Yeah. Moeller and Vringy, do you like horror movies? Yes. Well, I mean... Well, do I like horror movies? Is like, do I like movies? Um, I mean, I... It's not my favorite genre. I would say that. Yeah, I don't really care for horror stuff. Like, compared to science fiction or something like that, or detective or like fantasy or anything. That is kind of on the lower end for me in terms of preference. Do you think that derives from, like, what your most sought after experience in storytelling is? Yeah, probably. Like, I'm not really interested in being scared. Yeah, I'm not really interested in it either. I love it. Yeah. I find it's just... Maybe it's that... Maybe it's like it's the candy for me, where I don't want to... I just want... I just want it. Generally, I don't want to... I don't know. Like, I don't... It's nice to have, but I guess I don't really... Want it, like, that much, maybe? Um, I think I've said this before, but, like, there are some emotional experiences I just don't get as often with a lot of the stuff I consume. You get very commonly funny and tragic. Those things are in lots of stuff. But, like, one of the ones I've talked about before that are just kind of neatly don't get much. And I did get it with Bioshock Infinite at the beginning, and with Rapture, obviously. Oh! Just being kind of, like, blown away by the scale of a thing. And you're just, like, impressed and you feel for a second, just, like, how incredible the world is or something like that. You could get that from, like, a lot of stuff in Lord of the Rings as well, I would say. That's something I don't get that often, and I'd like to have a bit more. But, um, horror, like, really good horror to me was, like, chasing the dragon when I had it. One of my favorite horror experiences I've said before is Amnesia the Doctor sent. That was, like, the most I've been scared by anything. Generally, the horror games that I like will be exceptions to the rule. So I, like I say often, Soma's my favorite game ever. And I loved Amnesia the Dark Descent. I hated Amnesia Reaper. And for, we did a four hour video on why Reaper sucked and why we love the other two. But, it's, I guess it's one of those things where if a game's great and it happens to be horror, that's good. Like, it's good to have that itch scratched every once in a while. Maybe that's the thing. I think, for me, I think I talked about this in the Soma videos. I just like the fantasy of it, I think, of actually feeling for the walls come down enough that I feel like I am actually in this, like, you know, medieval prison, and I have to move through the world. Room's quiet enough that the creatures don't see me. But simultaneously, the safety net is there that I'm not actually here. Yeah. It's almost like a drug, I guess. Let me ask you this. Do you like roller coasters? Do you like that? I've always liked roller coasters, yeah. Because I love them. I love roller coasters. I love the thrill of, like, weightlessness. Sometimes I drive my car really fast sometimes just to get the thrill of accelerating. You know, there's an aspect of it. Almost quasi-danger, approachable danger that I really enjoy. So I like it, like, the feeling of being lost, you know? I kind of like that because, like, if you live in America, if you get lost, like, you'll be fine, right? Unless you're in the middle of the woods without any provisions or anything. I'm talking about, like, you're in a car and you just go someplace and you have no idea where you're going, you just go out and you go. And you know you can get back, you have a phone and you can get directions anywhere. It's just whenever you choose to access that. Like, you really are lost, but you can get back to your way. That sort of thing. That's the kind of stuff I like. I tell people that all the times in games is, like, sometimes in a game, just relish the idea that you could get lost in a world because you won't have it forever. Eventually you'll learn the game and you'll be familiar with everything and you'll know where everything is. But, man, like, when I bought the, in Daisy, when I bought the Livonia map, I made sure to avoid online maps for it. Just go in it. Just go out into the world. Be lost. You don't know what's over the next hill. You don't know what's over there. Just go out and find what you find. And I really enjoy that kind of feeling. So I'm not knowing where you are. Um, I was thinking as well, you know, like, thrilling. That's another fun emotion to get out of, like, movies, games. Just meteor in general. And I'd imagine what I'm referring to is something like 10 situations, but then their, um, like, fight sequences will often be pretty thrilling, I imagine. If they're good and I care about the characters. Like, if I don't know who is, well, it's like the whole, um, it's like in the Suicide Squad when Flag and Peace, uh, Peacemaker were fighting. I was like, oh, shit. Yeah, I'd probably describe that scene as thrilling. Many different things could occur. Like, I don't know how this is going to resolve. And that's kind of like, oh, who knows? I don't know if they're both going to live or if one's going to die or if I don't know. We're getting to the end of the movie. So I don't know what's going to happen. That's kind of thrilling in a way. I don't know. Yeah, I like that. Because I wonder how we would have reacted if, um, Peacemaker started strangling Flag and Flag got the kill shot on him. Drecking we would have been like, well, he had to. Because it, with Flag dying, I think it felt way more tragic. If Peacemaker had died, I have a feeling that we probably would have been like, man, that was tough, but Flag pulled it off. Because Peacemaker... Kind of, yeah. Like, Peacemaker was, he was going to do something that wasn't good. And I understand why he did it and all that, but I guess, you know, Flag won that fight. Flag did what he had to do. Yeah, because I think the tragedy in Flag's death isn't just Flag's death. It's also that, uh, that information may not get out now. Yeah, the implications of it, the fact that Flag was in, you know, Flag was the morally correct one there. Um, you know, what you wanted to see his resolution play out. Rax, I'm playing this game again with a lot of money on the line. Do you believe I can do it? I do believe you can do it. Do you think I will do it though? I almost died there. That's why I call it so far. I have a total, I have a total lack of belief in whether you can or cannot, will or will not do it. Would you put money on me doing it or not doing it? What are your odds? I get, well, it's me against the computers, so. Well, I mean, I still don't know. Oh, oh, I win. Okay, I've turned on the thing. What you meant to say was you put all of your money on it because you knew I'd win. I think, yeah, I legitimately, if I had, because I just didn't have it open, I have the chat window open. Um, I would, I would probably give any of the benefit of a doubt. I feel like you could have pulled it on. I lost it last time. I was actually pretty worried there. You might even say it was tense. I know, I think so. Yeah, but I still think, you know, you got a little bit of practice in and that's what I said you should have done last time that you didn't do. That's all right, you know. Yay. Yeah, better you did it this time. You redeemed yourself. You were able to pull it off. You didn't fall into the lava pit. Also, how many monitors do you have? I have three. I think, yeah, and I think Fringy has two from what I remember. I do not know for sure though. Three is a, oh, he has three. Yeah, three is a great number to go for because you can get monitors, especially if they're just side monitors for extra space, you can get them cheap. And once you get past three, you got to get into like setups, setups. Because really with three monitors, the only thing you have to worry about is do I have enough desk space, sheer physical desk space for it? But I guess connectors to your GPU, but I think you can get adapters. But really, the big thing is going to be you need a physically large enough desk for it. Oh, they've got those things, right? You can put them on like arms and then connect the arms to the desk. Yeah, you can, but I almost feel like at that point, maybe it's better just getting a good desk because with the arms, they have to be stabilized and held in place. And a monitor is not light to be held up all the time. So you got to make sure you get solid stuff. At that point, maybe it's just worth, I mean, maybe it's just worth getting a good desk for it. The desk that I have is a, let me find it, because I quite like this desk a bit. In fact, I might as well plug it. The desk I have is an Arosie Arena Gaming Desk. I've had it for over two years now. It's, my issues with it are pretty minimal. Really, all that I would say, I wish I could get a non-black cover for the top. In fact, maybe I can, maybe I can ask if the company sells them. But it is a sturdy desk, and it's got a nice mat that can go on top. It's pretty soft for your elbows and your arms to rest on. It's, like I said, it's very sturdy. It's easy to put together. It is wide enough to have three monitors and just deep enough for a monitor in front of you as well. Because I have my microphone in front of me directly. Then I have the keyboard. Then I have the monitor. So it's just long, just deep enough for me to have all those things. You still don't want the, I just, because then we talked about it for a second. Oh, when I went from a stand on, standing, I don't know what the correct word is yet, like the standalone microphone on the desk and then having a microphone arm, like it was an upgrade that I loved. Oh, you have yours on an arm? Yeah. I do as well. I don't. Mine always just sits here in front of me. And I don't feel like it's in the way because whenever I'm typing, my arms are on, because it's not wide. It's got to be just, I don't even know. It can't be, it's not wide at all. So my arms very comfortably and generously go around it as I'm typing. Because when I'm typing, my arms are like straightforward. They're bent out at the sides and my hands are on the keyboard. So it never gets in the way. It's not in the way of my screen. It's just down here in front of me. I forgot also high rags, gritches for the best boy. Thank you. Chad, you find yourself in a zombie apocalypse and you can pick one melee weapon, which do you choose? He'd probably go with a sword, wouldn't he? Probably. I'd imagine so. I'm trying to think of what else would outclass it. You know, for like an average use. I'm thinking I might want to, so it depends on zombie rules, of course. If it's just the general rules of you just have to fuck it up and it dies, kind of like a person. Then I might be going with a partisan. Maybe something that has a sturdy. Yeah, it is. Let me let me get a good picture of maybe something I'm talking about, but. Partisan weapon images. Some because I want something that I can stab with that can kind of keep them at a distance. Something that because I don't want to get close to them. I don't want to get around them. I want to sort of keep. Yeah, something like this. Let me. Oh, oh yeah. Mordhau one has some pretty good ones. Yeah, these are maybe this first one on the left or the one in the middle. Those heads, how there's that that that blade. And then it sort of has parts to the back of the head where it can maybe stop the body. So you stab it. And you could almost like push it back and keep it at bay. So it doesn't like you don't stab it through and it could you stab further than you need to. So I can keep that thing away from me. I wanted. I want this great use. It's just that I wonder if I would want something more all purpose and then at that point is like a spear of the spear family sort of thing. More all purpose and a zombie apocalypse than a sword, I wonder. Well, the thing is like that's why I want the partisan over a spear because I want something that's a little bit shorter. So even if they get closer, I could hold it closer up to the head maybe. But yeah, I think there's a lot of good answers. But I think that I would go and it depends on what I'm doing too. Like if I'm wandering around in the world, well, I guess that changes because I don't want to haul a partisan around everywhere that I go. I'd probably be more likely to have a sword. Maybe something a little bit longer. But yeah, that would be... Because some people are saying halberds and I'm like, a halberd would be great, but it requires a lot of room. And those things are like, guys, a halberd is long. And I feel like it might be excessive for zombies because I don't really consider zombies like a huge threat because they're zombies. It's the numbers thing. And generally, I feel like if I'm in a position where I have to fight a lot of zombies, I'm running anyway and not fighting them. And if I have to fight them off, I guess that's why I'm... I feel like if we're fighting off a lot of zombies, we're doomed no matter what medieval weapon we have. I guess it depends on the area. If they're coming at you in a hallway, then it's like, well, I guess if I had a partisan or something, I could just stab, stab, stab, stab, because they're all coming at me in one direction. That would be one thing. Are we dealing with slow zombies? And a lot of this depends... That's the thing, it depends on... Generally, I go for zombies that are able to not run, but that area between running and walking... Stumbling forward sort of thing. Kind of, yeah, where they're speed walking kind of speed because they don't have the coordination to full out sprint, but they can do more than walk is generally what I kind of go for. Um... Inside every man, there are two wolves. One says high rags, the other says no rags. Going the rags battalion and ruin all grandmas. Rags battalion, ruin all grandmas. Leave none unruined. Leave none unruined. This whole situation reminds me of a great video by dog eat dog on why celebrity voice acting is killing the industry. I'd be curious to know what the argument would be that it kills the industry. Yeah, like kills it in terms of like artistically? Even then I'm not sure that you could say that that's... It'll be the case because a lot of celebrities might take it very personally, like passionately. Like they'll be like, I don't know, I love this game. I look forward to voicing this character. I'm going to do a justice, that sort of thing. But I don't know. Um, it could be a different argument, but yeah, that sounds like a potentially fair video. Vampires suck. Lichens are the best monsters. Full moon on the 21st. There's... I love the classic monster stuff. Vampires, werewolves. Oh, there's a game that came out recently called Resident Evil 8. I think you'd love it. They kind of do a lot of that stuff. It was great. Oh yeah, they really... Yeah, they definitely don't squander all the potential of that imagery. If I was to have started up like around now instead, and I did a video... Oh, fuck sake. I did a video on that instead of Resident Evil 7. I guarantee you all the fucking videos will be saying like, it delves into classic horror. It delves into gothic horror. It does a lot with these things. When it's like, it doesn't actually. It just shows up. It's like, hello? And then that's it. But I'm sure the fact that it showed up for a little bit means people get to reference all of that. Angry Super Chat 8. Very well. Oh, fair enough. Hey, Massives. Are you aware what the arguments against Blyman's finale are in regard to the inconsistency of the mechanics of body swapping, and the fact that Danny somehow has a stronger will than the lady who just decided not to die of her terminal illness and stuck there for what was going to be eternity? Danny was super strong-willed. That's kind of the point they make in the show. Also, I'm sorry you don't understand tuberculosis. But the will... Decided not to die. First off, willpower. So first off, willpower plays a lot into your survivability. Yup. Literally the first thing they did, like when I was in search and rescue, that was rule number one, positive mental attitude. You have to believe that you can get out. You have to stay focused on a goal that's insanely important. We talked about this with the rats. There's experiments done on this, people. Yeah. And also, tuberculosis can... It varies wildly in the amount of time. It can take years and years and years to kill people. And... It depends on the person. It depends on the severity of the tuberculosis. So it stresses every time. The idea that it's just... We don't know that she wouldn't have died of it. We don't know. She was killed before she didn't die of tuberculosis. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like this idea that it's... I don't know. I just feel like you need to know what the fuck you're talking about, maybe. Like I don't know how else to say it. Well, it's funny because I didn't know a lot about tuberculosis. And then I was told that they're representing it wrong. And I was like, okay. And I looked into it with Jay funnily enough, because we were very curious. And we were like, oh, it matches. How it's described. That's interesting. Yeah. The depiction of it in the film seems to totally line of the show. Totally lines up with what we looked into and what we read. Like it's really not an issue at all. And if you think it is, I don't know. You're just... You're fucking wrong. And then you got... Danny's arc in the show is being more forthright about what it is that she wants and acting on like what she believes of this stuff. She's like repressed and pushed around. If you remember, like in marriage is pretty much entirely dictated by the fact that it just seems like the thing to do. And she can't tell people no. She doesn't want to. And then she's released from that marriage by happenstance. And it's a fucking awful life to live, but she's happy that she was released from it. And that's like the huge levels of guilt. There's loads of good stuff in there. And then yeah, so she has... And if you remember, she is more passionate about saving those kids than fucking anybody is pretty much. And yeah, she's willing fully to keep the willpower... She cancels out the willpower of Viola. I don't know why you'd believe that like Viola's would overpower Danny. They're both human. They both have extreme passion for the thing. It's like, to me, it was kind of perfect. I'm very happy with the ending of Bly. I still am. I'm thinking about Midnight Masters ending. I'm like, yes, I'm very happy with Bly's ending. I hug it. I keep it close to my heart because we were fucking lucky we got that. We dodged a huge mine, apparently. And yeah, I don't know what to say about all the tuberculosis conversation. It matches everything I've seen about it. I don't know what else to say. Yeah, I just feel like before I make a criticism like that, I just feel like I would do my... Just the basic diligence to Google it. Because that resolves the issue extremely quickly. But I don't know, I guess I'm not a doctor. So if I don't know how a disease works... That's why we Googled it. Yeah, then that's why I'm like, oh, let's see if this is a thing. Oh, this confirms that this thing is indeed a thing. Okay, that settles that. Moving right along. Maybe that's... That could be legit the reason why they chose tuberculosis. They had a whole slew of different diseases that they could have picked. Tuberculosis can... It seems like it would do everything that they wanted to do for the plot, and it makes sense. So that's why they chose it was tuberculosis that she got. Yeah, it's a debilitating disease that would have taken a lot of time to kill her if it was going to kill her. Which is perfect for the scenario that was happening. Which was that she needs to be kept at arm's length to watch her whole life be taken away from her, basically. Hence her desire to maintain all the things that are being taken from her. Is this right? Oh, this is kind of a cool challenge, Loco. This is the party game at the end. They were giving me shit once before, but this one is... There are five shapes that spin. One of them is not like the others. You have to try and tell which one it is. I didn't get that one in timing, you know? This is way more fun than the others. Rags, what bad dragon toys do you recommend? Love you. I mean, if you're looking for something to go in you, if you're starting out, start small and use a lot of lube. Go easy. Don't hurry into it, man. I promise me. Do not hurry into it. Just start small, get used to it. A lot of the canine ones are pretty good because they have different stages to them. Resting points, if you will. Then you could get bigger from there. You didn't have to answer the question, but you did. Well, I don't want, legitimately, if someone's interested in that sort of thing, and I want them to have good advice. I don't want to go in. I don't want them to have the idea of, oh, it won't be as bad at the beginning, or not as bad, but it won't be... It's something that you should be aware of before you start. It benefits greatly from the idea of really stressing with people, use lots of lube and start small, and then work your way up over time. Because if you try to... I don't want anyone to hurt themselves. That's the thing. Yeah, I want to gift you guys stuff from Bad Dragon. What sizes should I get? Smalls for these guys? Probably a large for me. Any of you use Tinder before? Stories? No. I would... I would court the women the old-fashioned way. No social programming for me. I would become good friends with their highly esteemed fathers at their manor parties, and then I would express my interest in their daughters, and then a marriage would potentially be arranged, and then, oh, you know how it goes. Oh, yeah, but I don't have any stories. Don't start with a horse one is what you're saying? Well, the issue with a horse one isn't necessarily the size or the shape. The shape is really good, actually. But it's the tip is often more blunt, and you should start off with one that's got a lot more taper of a point to it, so it's easy to kind of... get onto, so that's, you know, he had my advice. Chris Pratt to play Barack Obama. Fringy thoughts? Hey, look, adaptation, right? What if he, like, pulled off the greatest fucking performance ever, you know? What if? It would be hilarious if he pulled off the greatest fucking performance ever, you know? What if? It would be hilarious if he pulled off the greatest It would be hilarious if he had the voice nailed down. He did the perfect voice. He was just, you know, just a white guy. Well, there's no way it would ever... I think most people would just be like, what the fuck? What are you doing? What a funny thou. It would be funny. Ooh, look, I got Waluigi's shower. It's fire. It's not water. Okay. That... All right then. Hi rags. Why rags? Hello. Fly rags. Dry rags. High rags. Try rags. Buy rags. Buy rags. Bye. Fred the Vampire Accountant is a really funny novel series about exactly that. An ethical vampire who buys blood. The full cast audiobooks are great. Yeah, that sounds like could be fun. Spoilers for Midnight Mass. Why didn't Hasan, Aaron, Sarah, been down the church and shelter after the sun came up? So if the logic was we have to destroy these buildings before sunrise because otherwise they will have protection. That's actually fair. It's honestly safer because that means the vampires will be in the building and they can't leave it. Exactly. Yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, yeah, that's of course the obvious thing is let's just chill until they all go in that building and then burn it down. Yeah, like this type of time for us to wait until they're... They treat it as though there's a time limit on when the sun rises for the humans. It's like, no. The closest you are to the sunrise, the safer you are. Absolutely. Yeah, this is the most efficient. This is the only building left. That's the whole design of the baddies plan. This is the only building left that we can hunker down and in sleep until next nightfall. And they don't know where the humans are. Important to note, they don't know where the humans are. The vampires can't leave. You know where they're going to be. You know with total impunity you could make that thing go up nice and easy. Just wait. I don't know. Surely somebody must have mentioned this to Mike, but I guess he was busy or something. I don't know. I guess, yeah, a little bit spoilery for a second. You're going to have to tune out. It won't be too long, but I just want to answer in chat as well. Someone said they were pretty happy with Midnight Mask overall, ignoring the issues and how they play out. Who was your favorite character? And they said this was either the sheriff or John Pruitt. I'd go with it. It's easily Riley. He's my favorite. Yeah. Yes, it is. Yeah, definitely Riley. I could see John Pruitt scoring high though. I did like him quite a bit. The sheriff unfortunately got his potential. Well, so I was about to say Pruitt has problems in the finale that fuck with him. In the finale. Yeah. So if we ignore the finale, he's pretty great. Well, if we ignore the flaws of the finale, it's pretty great. But like the sheriff, I don't think he does anything out of character. They just don't do anything with him. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like they're setting him up for a payoff that never comes. Exactly. And I wanted a lot more for him. I want to be honest with you. I don't think he should have died. No, I don't think so. I mean, we got only two people lived. And I'm like, that's lame. You know, I wish more people made it. I suppose part of the the ending point they're making is the death is nothing to be of, you know, they make a lot of points about death. So I imagine them that they wanted a lot of characters to die. But it's like if the deaths were meaningful and well, and I would have been okay with it. Yeah, I mean, it's like it's a living not dead person telling me that. So I'm just like, What about how Riley traumatized Aaron? Do you think there was a better way to show her the truth? I mean, I that's part of his point, right? He was like, you're not going to believe me unless you see this the way that it's about to happen. You could argue. This is so spoilery. Sorry about this. You could argue that it would have been better for him to like hold his hand up through a window and be like, look, I'm burning. But the fact is he wanted to kill himself. Exactly. Yeah, he this this this gets And he's put her in a position where she can escape. She can go to the mainland if she wants to. Yeah, it was actually pretty smart. I honestly, I think it works really well. I mean, what about in the sense of like, I could have done more. I guess you can always do more in the sense of like the phone and texting the mainland telling him something horrible happened or starting an investigation. Oh, yeah. He probably could have done more. But if I gave it a good rewatch, I think I'll try and argue what he was. He was like leveling what he wants with what he would like to protect people wise. He definitely wanted to not be a vampire. Yeah, he was very aware of his his hunger and what that would lead to. And yeah, you could tell you he was thinking about that with her. They gave us that shot on her neck. Oh, his parents, too. Yeah, which is going to make you make some decisions pretty quick. He left a good note for Pruitt, too. Yeah. Hi, everyone. Will you do a mini for Midnight Mass? Yeah, that one's going to be well after Bly and Bly isn't going to be for some time probably as well because she's got lots of projects right now. But yeah, I'd happily do it for Midnight Mass someday. I want a good amount of time to forget that show a little bit though. Yeah, but not like the main payoffs. Just enough that I can then we can rewatch it and we can talk about it. You know what's funny? When we watched Hill House and we knew episode 10 was going to be shit. I mean, myself, Fringy and who else in our group had seen it already? Metal, I think, okay. I was still super excited to talk about a lot of it. And then I was going to be like, well, and now comes the part where I just don't. We have to talk a little bit about the flaws, unfortunately, and how much they did. But like with Midnight Mass, I'm going to be like, oh man. And I think it's just because they stole so much of what would have been completed storylines I don't feel like any of the characters got completed stories except for Riley. Yeah, that's the thing. The best character is the one who wasn't around for the last episode. Meanwhile, a lot of people make it through unscathed and Hill House because they don't really even understand what's happening in the last episode. Which I don't blame them for because it's pretty nonsensical. Well, did you think the priest finding the cave was Tism? So we're told he wandered off and he kept walking and walking and then there was a desert storm that unveiled something that was mostly hidden. That's like fine. I like it. I'm fine with it. I like the idea that because of where he went, he went to the Holy Land, a place of importance for multiple very big religions. And so the idea that there's something out there in the desert that's been buried, that has like religious connotations or that could be the source of some of our myths. I like that idea and that it's been unearthed and that he happens to be the one who came across it and as a result, he brought it here and so the story's kind of largely centered around that. I like it. Here's another thing. I really liked the creatures. I think that it was largely non-CGI. Yeah, I was totally like, I thought it looked great. Such a shame. I was ready for so much more, you know? Yeah. Speaking of wanty monkey metaphor, what's your thought on Netflix Bright starring Will Payne Smith? I have not seen Bright. I've not seen Bright as well. I haven't seen it, but I've heard a lot of bad things about it. I've heard a lot of, yeah, a lot of weird all over the place stuff. There's references to Shrek in this world where fancy creatures exist. It's like thinking about that from a world building perspective, guys. I think that if we were to watch it, Garen fucking T, we would come away via like, oh man, some of the messages in here are really fucking awkward if you think about it. I feel like that's going to happen with whatever allegories they're running with, but hey, I would give it a fair shake. I just haven't seen it. Hail the Unlisted also high rags. Hello. I guess the Unlisted will be on their way soon enough. This is like the opposite of I was getting so mad because of the refusal to end storylines. Season one and two finales were so built up just to end on Cliffhangers to bring you back. So mad because the refusal to end storylines. Oh, and I guess part of our criticism was that like they rushed the ending. I guess that makes sense, yeah. Just pretend you like the ending of It Might Mass. Cinema wins. Yeah, that's one way to do it. Shad, I leave on my IDS mission in five weeks. Luckily, I get to speak English and not any other inferior language. Oh, nice. I had a sandwich the other day that tasted horrible, but at least it had a good message. High weekend warrior. Oh, that's nice. He would have said hi. He would have, yeah. That Nirvana cover hurt me more than anything. Yeah, a lot of people. Yeah, that is what we call a crime, but it was not punished. So is it only a crime when you've been charged? How does that work? Have you committed a crime as soon as you break the law? Well, I think the whole point of the trial is to find out if you did commit a crime. Right, right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. So if I killed brands, I haven't committed a crime just yet. Well, the idea is you've been accused of it. The crime, a crime has been committed, but whether or not. Yeah, it's it's built into it's a little bit complicated. It's built into the premise. Yeah. Well, if the premise is that you killed me, yeah, you have committed a crime. Well, you're not necessarily whether or not. You're committing a crime. Well, it's built into the question, right? Well, but I could kill you and not be punished depending on the circumstances, right? Of course. So it's so you could have committed a crime but the justice system wouldn't have to know. So imagine imagine somebody's died and then you get accused of murder. It's like the crime of murder and then it's like, oh, no, you were defending yourself or something. He attacks you first, you kill him. It's like so now we've discovered that that isn't there is no crime. The crime was committed by the other guy who attacks you. Oh, and oh, in the sense of like, oh, in the sense of what the circumstances of you killing me are. Well, if I say I kill you, that covers all circumstances of me killing you, which could be self-defense. It could be a crime or it could not be a crime. But if you've been charged, you've been accused of having committed. Yeah. If I said I murdered you, then yeah, that's baked in. In Luigi voice, I'm a Scorsese number one. Wait, why would it be? We said Scorsese directs. OK, I don't know about Scorsese doing the voice of Luigi, but I guess I'm on board with that. It'll be fun. Like a punishment doesn't mean you didn't commit a crime. No, this specific example was a crime. There is no crime. The case would determine that there has been no wrong doing. Is there a crime you can commit that has zero punishment? I think that logic would be like so, for instance, if I guess the hypothetical on that instance would be you actually did it, but you got away with it. It's like, well. Oh, yeah. I'm thinking more. Can you be convicted? But you don't there is just there's just no punishment because I guess it's so low level, but at that point. Well, the thing is, is you can have things where like they'll give you a suspended sentence and it's not on your criminal record. Like that's there is something of a punishment there. I was going to say, like I could still call that a punishment. Couldn't I? Yeah. In the sense that, you know, if you offend again, the consequences would be significant. I don't know that there is one way you would get convicted and there is absolutely nothing at all. Trees. There would always be something even if it was incredibly, credibly small. Crossing the U.S. Southern border. Is there no punishment for that? Well, it depends, right? I don't know. I genuinely don't know. Should be. But whether or not there actually is like if an American crosses the border down to Mexico without prop going through proper channels, I'm assuming the punishment they'll deport you. Yeah, they'll deport you and they'll send you back here. Apparently, we'll talk about how racist the Mexicans are. So. Well, people are saying apparently no. So that actually is your compliances that is not being enforced. Oh, right. I didn't realize there's supposed to be on the books. That's the thing. But the these days, you know, with a lot of people, it's they don't get, you know, they just, there's no, they just, nothing is done about it. That comic that I posted I find very amusing. But Kirby spit some back out and gets the powers. The doctor should still be in there. You can't spit them back out. If you've got the power, it means you've gulped them up. You have to. That's not how it works in in the Smash Brothers. But if it works in the series. Well, there you go. Adaptation. Oh, let me hold on. If you've shown it. Which you may not have. I have not. Okay. Yeah. Probably because I don't know exactly who are who made it. Oh, yeah. I don't know either. But I guess is it safely endangered? Is that who made it? I guess so. Yeah. That's the name of the comic. Yeah. If that was Dr. Mario, which it almost seems like that's the implication, you know, you can have this scenario Mario. I mean the moustache just looks kind of like it. Yeah. Kirby swallowing up Dr. Mario in Smash pops him back out and then gets it down. He's in the pouring. But in the Kirby world, it just that's it for Dr. Mario. Well, is that Dr. Mario ever been in Kirby? And therefore I am arguing this is an adaptation of Smash. You're arguing Smash Brothers rules. Yeah. I mean, even if it is Smash Brothers rules, it could still work. Maybe he stopped Dr. Mario. Yeah. The doctor is still in the room just like, I'm fine. He just stopped him in. Massives. Check out Deathloop if you can. It's super fun and the story telling and characters are good. Deathloop. That's new. That's arcane. I am waiting to see if the performance issues I've heard about are sorted out. Probably grab it. And if you recommend it, I might check it out. Yeah. I'm hoping it's good though. I've heard some mixed things in terms of like the apparently it's handholding, which surprises me based on what it is. Yeah. Come on. We can do it. Come on. Come on, DK. Come on. Work together. Put them in. Aww. I didn't look like I was losing. Fine. I guess we lose. Friong. Have you checked out Fujimoto's Look Back yet? No. Oh, there you go. I worry I beat you. A person afraid of criticism is afraid of creating. You know, not necessarily. No, not necessarily. No, not necessarily. There's a lot of people out there who genuinely just have serious personal issues, maybe even mental issues like they cannot handle seeing their work be criticizing anyway, but they could be incredible creators, you know. Yeah, of course. I think it's important and I think it's helpful, but ultimately if someone was to literally break down in tears the second people start criticizing their work, I'd be like, you need to not show people your work until you get that sorted out. Yeah. You're not ready to fight this battle. You are not really appropriate. It's like this is a high level zone and you're still a newbie level four. You need to level up an experience game before you venture into new places. Most people aren't good at criticizing things, but part of your job in almost any art form is to translate the criticism to something you can work with while also not compromising your vision too much. Yeah, it can be tough. We talked about how a lot of it is figuring out how valid or useful the criticism is. There's a lot of processes. Rags, I'm doing the same video game we're going. I'm going to win. Am I going to win? Absolutely. You've won before. You've had even more practice. I've lost before too, Rags. Yeah, but you're not the kind of person who wouldn't let me down. Oh, oh, geez. Now the pressure's real on. It's not even just money anymore. Oh, yeah. Now I'm lighting a fire underneath there. It's an appropriate analogy. I guess so. I think you wouldn't do that to me, right? Do what? Sorry? You wouldn't make this victory or loss based on... I don't want to make it through. No, even if it did depend on that, I wouldn't tell you because that's pressure that is not going to be helpful. Wow. What do you think about that, Rags? I think that pressure is something that will test your metal. I think that you need to learn to deal with pressure and it might be tough at first, but the more you are used to pressure then the better that you can in the long term behave well under that pressure. Just a second to think about the idea that whatever... Second second is great. I got more money than I had when I started, so that, you know... That's definitely a win. That is absolutely a win. Yeah, second place actually matters in the battle mode, so... Yeah, just because someone else made more coins than you, that doesn't mean that you lost because you didn't get as many coins. Yeah, capitalism. It's not a zero-thumb game. You don't have to... Yeah. For you. Good work. That's the one who said in chat, pressure does make diamonds. I find it interesting to think about the idea that... Wait, have you got the stream up? Look what just happened. And then he rolled a 1. Dot, dot, dot. Oh, unfortunate. Fucking warp piped to reach the same position he was already at. Oh, what a waste of... Waste of money, Luigi. See, Luigi's still lost, ultimately. Oh, Buck's Quim, come on. Hey! EFAP, what do you think about the Sherlock home movies with Robert Downey Jr.? I remember liking him quite a bit, but I haven't seen him in many years. My memory is... I loved the first one. I wasn't as fond of the second one. I still think they're both good. Um, I have a lot more to compliment about the first one. I really loved how they managed to recontextualize a lot of the magic into grounded sort of just advancements in technology and stuff and trickery. He was cool. And I like RDJ's Sherlock. I think he's neat. Yeah, I think he does a nifty job. Do you remember the sequence where we see, I forget her name, but she's meeting with Moriarty and like a hobo turns up and he's like spare change or something like that. And then Moriarty pulls out his gun on him because he has like a little retractable gun in his sleeve. Then he's like, oh, sorry, so Jesus. And then we get the scene repeats from Robert Downey Jr.'s perspective. And he like goes through the whole area picking up lots of different items from different tables and different people until he's got a full disguise. And then it turns out he was the bum. Do you remember that? Oh, draw. Nice. It was me all along. I mean, I remember you like has a fake nose and all kinds of shit. He pulls together on his little run-through like a top hat and a scarf and the way he's like pulling stuff off people while they're walking. Just it's quite smooth. It's cool. That's Guy Ritchie. It's probably my favorite Guy Ritchie film actually outside of Snatch. I'm not sure if it ranks above or not. I have to rewatch it. Discombobulate. Do you remember the fucking the intro where Mark Strong has like a glass spike in his hand? And he almost fucking I remember that. I remember thinking like fucking hell. Like if anyone had stepped any closer, it's kind of an interesting idea, right? Because that probably would just cut right into you. Yeah. If it's sharp enough and if it's sturdy enough, that's the thing. Maybe if it was that thin, then maybe once it hit his skull bone, it would have just snapped. It was going through the neck, right? I think was the intention. Oh, yeah. Maybe that would have done it here. Would have done some damage. Is this in LeFrance? LeFrance Land. More of that was the second movie. Everything I've described from the first one. The disguise sequence is definitely the first one. He's chasing. Who's the the girl? It begins with an A. Right from McAdams. No, character. Amy. Hey, it's like, I want to say Ariana. It's not that. Someone in chat is going to know. Adler. Adler. That's it. Oh, yeah. He's chasing her into the carriage. Irene Adler. Yeah. Show the Dunning Kruger Graph. You start with low confidence, then peak in confidence, confident ignorance, then enter the Valley of Despair, then go to accurate. I remember because I think part that I was talking about was like, if you think about it from the perspective of somebody who wants to get good at like, for instance, art, you start and you learn a little bit and you're like, oh, god damn, I'm awesome. But you are so unaware of how much you don't understand about art that the more you do, the more your confidence begins to crater. And then that's like the point where you kind of figure out if you're going to give up or like try to get better at it. And then eventually you start to learn more and get better, but you'll never quite be as cock-shore as you were at the beginning. Wow, I got a better memory than like many people in chat. They're all saying I mixed it up, but Mark Strong isn't Moriarty. No, chat. Moriarty is in the first film. He talks to Adler in the Carriage. That's who she works for. We don't see him until the second movie. Mark Strong is also in the film. Fuck in. I didn't see the film in ages. Yeah. He was definitely in that movie. It's the hobo scene where he's like, oh, change, please. And he does the retractable gun because he's a technology expert. And it's like, whoa, retractable gun. It's so cool. I really like the ending thing where they talk about how the real prize all along was sending radio signals because we just sort of, I guess we just want to take took that for granted when that's an incredible piece of technology potentially at the time like that revolutionized so many different things. And we might not have even really thought about it. But then you're like, oh, yeah, that's insanely important. Moriarty was in the first movie, but he wasn't played by Mark Strong until the second movie. Mark Strong is not in the second movie. He's dead like he dies in the first one. Moriarty was like, yes. Moriarty is played by the guy who was in Resident Evil 2. I forget his name. He was also in Rags. You might know his name. He was at Chernobyl. He was the main character. Like, you can't remember the second actor's name. He was Moriarty in the second film. In the first film, he's played Jared Harris. That's it. First film, he's played by Daniel Day Lewis, I think. But you don't see him. You only hear his voice. I think I'd have to check that. Mark Strong is Blackwood. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He plays... We play in the gaslight Mola game. I don't know sometimes. It's hard to tell. I don't remember MB in the movie. You don't see his face. You don't see his face. Malary, yeah. I think they deliberately didn't show his face because they didn't know for sure who's going to be playing him in the second movie. Legas off. Mark Strong ties twice. Maybe. Oh, he does tie twice in that movie. You're right. The first one's a bit of a fake out though. But I'd be up for rewatching them sometime. That's another E-Fat movies right there. Absolutely, yeah. Soupcha, Time Experiment, TKO1, 25th of September, 2021, 22... Oh, well, 10 o'clock, I guess. I don't know what that's about, but all right. To the Shadows diversities, what would be the best way of purchasing your book in hardback? I have no idea what the answer to that question is. If... Is it on Amazon? I'm assuming that's the main way to buy it. I think that's how I buy it. It's on Amazon. Probably one on there. Is that not an option? A lot of the times it will be an option there. I would try and check the options. I'm assuming that because this person said where to get it from hardback, is that it's not available on Amazon? Because that's the kind of thing that they must have checked, you know? Yeah, that might be dumb though. Maybe check Shad's channel to see if there's something on there. Yeah. The link's good. Yeah, I'm not shizzle. The Sherlock movies are pulled, but far from bad. They're pulled, but far from bad. Some weird way to say it. Far from bad? I mean... I think poor... I thought poor was adjacent to bad. Yeah, I would have said it's adjacent to bad. Is there any right to... Oh, wait, sorry. What are you gonna say? No, it's fine. Let's go ahead. Uh... Also, Haimola, Weekend Fringy, Shad, and IG. Oh, and Hyrax, I guess. Did it go gaming? And hello, hello. Yep. Is there any right to... Who is better at will-building than George R.R. Martin? No, Tolkien is not a correct answer. Damn. I mean, I don't know. Probably. Um... I mean, I wouldn't be able to answer that question. I'm trying to think... I don't answer that either. Yeah, I'm not familiar enough with Game of Thrones, but I don't know. I'm hesitant to call someone anyone the best at anything. Yeah. Best at will-building better than good. The thing is George R.R. Martin's tangled himself up in his will-building, so it's kind of hard to compliment it right now. It's part of what people believe is the reason he's taken so long making the next book. He's got different things happening at the same time that he didn't account for. So Zack Snyder... Oh, you. That's funny. Oh, you. Oh, you. You. Funny, man. Funny, funny, man. As for... I don't know. I don't know who the best will-building around. I've heard a lot of good things about the will-building for the expanse. I haven't read myself. Wabin, listen to the audiobook. It's, um... Yeah, it's interesting. Here's a super chat to say thanks for saving me from getting a Disney Plus subscription. Hope you're surviving quarantine, Chad. Also, hi rags. Hello to you. I think he's doing just fine. And as for that, obviously there's a lot of Disney Plus content that you won't see us cover whatsoever, but you can probably rely on eFab at this point to guide you through the MCU when you don't want to watch it. Um, I think we're probably going to catch all the main events up until... I would be curious what it would take to knock us off wanting to see something like an Avengers movie, you know? Um, I don't know what that would be. Because you know if they said I don't know what that would be. Like, the new Avengers starring it's literally Bucky Falcon, Captain Marvel, Monogrambo, and fucking Wanda. I don't know. I don't really care. But let's just say it was those five. I don't know how much they terrorize Bucky. That might be fun. Well, I was just going to say if it were those five and we know for a fact that Doctor Strange and Spider-Man and whoever else aren't in it, would you go see that? Probably still, yeah. I think I would. I mean, there's an aspect of morbid curiosity that I have. That's literally it for me. I just want to, I'm very curious what they're going to do. Well, in that case, it seems like there's basically no line that, uh... Well, say that. No. That's the reason I went with Avengers first, because I think that it gets much easier when we get to stuff like will you watch Captain Marvel 3? Have you like, hmm, that's going to be a question I answer when we get closer to that. Yeah. For example, Rags didn't go and see Shang-Chi. Yeah, I don't give a... Technically speaking, I didn't go see Shang-Chi. It went and saw you. It looked for... It did the Soviet Russia thing. Funny. But yeah, I don't know. Theoretically, there's already been one that qualified, so I think that going forward... Like, I'll go see the Eternals, probably. Rags, you're going to go see that? That's one that feels necessary, but... Um, am I going to go and see it? Because obviously we could just... I don't think it's a problem at this point to have it, so that we just... We could just do the format of telling you the events and stuff. I wouldn't... That's not a terrible format. I like it for two reasons. One, I think it's entertaining and fun, and two, I don't have to do anything. So, there's just winds all around. Everybody would. And plus... I guess we can... We can skip out on it. And plus, I don't... Like, I will... My dad doesn't care about Marvel stuff, so when theaters are back to normal, quote, unquote, and we go out and see stuff again, I just... It probably won't be the ones that... Because I don't really enjoy going alone. Uh-huh. Yeah, so different. I'm totally fine on my own. So when we go and see something, it probably won't be a Marvel thing, anyway. I think I told you that I've only ever... I think in my life, I've seen one movie on my own. It was Black Panther. I think I've seen only... I think the... Yeah, maybe just a couple I've seen on my own. The last one I saw on my own was The Rise of Skywalker. The last one I saw on my own was Shungshik's last movie that I saw. So, I'll do it... Like, the reason I did it with Black Panther was because I invited Smiler to come and see it. He was the only person who had the availability and he was like, I do not give a fuck about a Black Panther movie. And I was like, aww. I guess I'll go see it. So he hates Black people. Yes, 100%. But, uh, what I was gonna say was it hit me straight away when I finished that film. I was like, I wish I had someone to fucking talk to right now about all this shit. Obviously, I could just wait and take it at home. Yeah, I guess there's no element of that. But I mean, I... Like, for me, it's a matter of... I... It's not gonna stop me from going to watch a movie if I have to do it on my own. But... What's your preference? I actually prefer to go on my own, but I'm, uh... I'm one of those people. Well, but like, I feel like it would be out of character for me not to point out, like... It seems to me that the... Does it not make sense that, like, from everything I know about you and all the stuff I've watched with you, it's like, it seems like you do enjoy watching with people more so. Um... Yeah, I guess... I guess in that sense, I need the... I guess I would need the type of person where it's like, we're gonna have, like, a long conversation about this, right? Like, I don't want to... I don't want to go off. It means if the conversation is just, yeah, I kind of liked it. Yeah, it was neat. Oh, yeah, of course. You know, that's... I need something more than that, uh, in terms of... If I lived literally on, like, on your street, I'm assuming. Oh, yeah, we'd probably be watching, like, every movie. Yeah. And that kind of stuff. I like getting my... I like getting my dad's perspective on things and how he... Well, yeah, yeah. He's a lot more normie than we are, because we're fucking weirdos. And so it's good to get his perspective and what he likes, what he doesn't like, and, you know, it's good bonding, that sort of thing. I think I would have talked about it back in 20... Fucking... 1918? I don't even know, but I saw, um, us with my dad. My dad likes everything pretty much at this point, certainly, uh... He doesn't really care. And, like, us as a movie, that I think I've told you guys, like, that would be a perfect EFAP movies movie. It is utterly fucking nonsensical, and it's driven entirely by allegory. Like, if you watch reviews of it, they only talk about what it means. They cannot talk about what actually happens. Oh, I fucking hate shit like that. It's not like I'm thinking of ending things. There is, um, a system... Like, things happen? Yes, things happen, and there is a system they present, and it is so hilariously fucking stupid and makes no sense at all. Like, it's fun to talk about, I'm sure. But, like, when we came out of that film, I remember just being like, fuck me, that made no sense at all. My dad was just like... Yeah, you know, uh... Yeah, no clue. Like, the commentary was just, like, dead, because it's just that film is... Anyone in chat see it as a fucking ride? I went and saw Captain Marvel with my dad, and he said it was maybe the worst... He said... One of the things he said was... He said rags. And I said, yes, rags, senior. And he said, I've been watching movies for decades. I've seen... I don't know how many movies I've seen over my, you know, 50, 60, whatever years of life or whatever he said. And I think that I could safely say that that is actually one of the worst movies that I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, yeah. He just wanted to make it very clear to me how much he hated that. And I guess on that note, we have ran out of time, from what I understand. About more or less, yeah. More or less. What we'll do, of course, is save the remaining Super Chats for Wednesday. We'll tackle these first, and then we'll go back to catching up with as much as we can for that day. Yeah, I'm hungry. We've been kind of going at it. Oh, no, no, no. Nine hours, you fuck. Oh, no, nine hours. Oh, ah, it's over a third of the day. That's longer than a typical work shift. Yeah. Just to work clear. You have us to keep dancing. We're like those people from, you know, the Great Depression and to dance, and you just want us to keep going. You hate us, Chad. You hate us. You don't want us to rest or eat. You hate us. Short man, bad indeed. Well, it's been a whole lot of... Oh, wait, do we want to do the thing of showing the trailer for the Resident Evil stuff or is it too late for that? It's too late. Maybe we can just direct everyone that way because I really enjoyed that trailer. I thought it was really great. Well, then, you know what? Yeah, there we go. Let me get a URL for that. Yeah, maybe I'd have the trailers for the slop we've been getting normally. I was going to say, yeah, so for those who don't know, it would be weird if you're like a super EFAP fan but you have no idea this thing exists. In fact, you know what? I'm curious. Tell me in chat if you haven't, if you're unaware of this exist. There is a trailer right now. It's the newest video on Mula for the Resident Evil EFAP movies arc which specifically is the pull of WS Anderson ones. I wonder if that's with putting in the title. It's in the thumbnail. You'll be able to see it's the Mula Jovovich ones but there's a couple people like you're doing the animated ones too. It's like, no. We don't care. But yeah, so check that out as soon as this stream ends and see all the little highlights because you can be getting that across all of Spookyween while we spend Spookyween at least the days those are premiering probably recording the arc for next year. It'll be fine. And now the next time you see us we should have our Spooky Abitars, right? Oh wait, Wednesday is that? Let me have a look. Um, no, it will be next Friday is uh... The first, yes. The first. Oh, so then yeah, it will be next week. Fuck, all right, that's that's a that's something to put on my to-do list. Like that. I already got mine. I got a couple from last year that I I enjoy quite a bit. I can see if I I'm getting one new one made that I quite like. Maybe I can have them. I think I might be able to get them to do a um, a Halloween version of that one. That might be cool. I'll um, I'll change into my costume on the Saturday, October 2nd, to show Rags Live. I reckon he'll like it maybe. Oh yeah. I always make, I always make Mahler dress up for me. Mm-hmm. I haven't figured out what I want it to be yet. I've got to make that decision. You want to be the very best for me. That's what you want. Well, because I've already done like sort of a skull thing. And then I did Frankenstein. So number three has to be maybe uh... Something. Yeah. If you want to... I think I can make like a well maybe well I already got that. So I don't I got to do something a little bit different. You can have fun with it. Well, here's the thing. You if you want to incorporate that into other stuff, you could have like the like it's painted on. The skull is painted on. You know, your eyes are black. That kind of fun. That could be something. Oh, a furry, yeah. No, a chozo. Yeah, they're furries. No, they're... Why would you say that? Because. Have you seen them? They're like bird people. Yeah, they are bird people. Why would that make them furries? They've got feathers. No, it's all under the umbrella. Scaly's furries, the whole thing. There's a whole bunch of suggestions which are helping me out. So a scaly's under the furry umbrella. Yeah. So then it just means animals, basically of all kinds. If I if somebody dressed up as an ant, would that be a furry? There are there are bug furries. OK, I feel like furry is not their very time here. Well, it's a human big. Well, it's it's well. No, no, no, no. Goblins are not furries. Nor are they not furries. Why are they not furries? I'm just I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you what it is. I think it's because generally these are the furries that they're based on some kind of a mythical or real animal. So if I dressed up as a unicorn, that's not a furry. Yeah. But if I dressed up as a horse, it would be. Yeah, they're both furries. You're telling me that birds count as well. Sorry, Chozo, a fictional mythical, like the aliens. So they're not furries. No, you don't have to be real. They're not furry. You said that it. No, sorry. You can't. I didn't say it or real. Unfortunately, it's over for you. Thanks. I said I said mythical or real. I maybe didn't hear me. Mythical or real. So unicorn would count, then. Yeah, that's why I said. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. There are unicorns. I'm pretty sure you said no. I'm pretty sure you said no. So goblins. They definitely are not goblins count. Because goblins are like animals, goblins are mythical. They're not like animals. Right. And generally they take their inspiration or their traits from like an animal. Like it could be a wolf or a unicorn or a dragon or a griffin or something like that. And those animal traits sort of put it underneath that furry umbrella. But if it's a like an orc from Elder Scrolls, those generally. Why would Chozo be an animal then if they're like if there are species that are seemingly sentient and capable of creating technologies and stuff, then they're not birds at this point. Well, because they have avian characteristics aesthetically. Okay, I'm pretty sure that goblins have characteristics of like mammals. Does that make them furries at this point? And human beings too? Well, I think we generally were able to draw that distinction like where a human is an animal. I feel like I'm drawing a different distinction then. Chozo, they're just aliens, all right? So there are aliens that are, because if they had like like cat people from like Stellaris or something, those are. Is Star Fox a furry to you? Furry and brilliant. Oh, absolutely. Star Fox is a furry. Jesus Christ. Oh, don't get me started on crystal. Oh my god. It never ends with that. Well, crystal was the original, right? She was like the... She is generally regarded as the original, the the obelisk, the poster child of furriness. The same with like Made Marion. I was under the impression that a furry is the person who fucking dresses up in those suits, not a animal thing. Yeah, the animal at Snowford isn't the furry, right? No, it's just it's just an idol of a furry. Yeah. Well, that's generally considered a broad term, but like a person who wears... What, so like be a cat? Like if I just see a cat, it's like, oh, you're a furry cat. It's just out here in the world. A cat is furry, but a cat wouldn't be like a furry. What if it's tall? Okay, then Star Fox is the furry then. Well, he is a, he's a fox and he walks and talks. He's anthropomorphic to a reasonable degree. So he's generally underneath that furry animal. It is them talking. That's like the most important part then. Them talking? Or at the very least, having behavior that is human-like. Yes, that's the... Wait, is King Shock a fairy? He has to be by your definition. Falls under the umbrella, yeah. Tis, don't making my sense. Don't make these awesome characters furries. Hey, furries are everything. It is a very broad... Hey, I don't consider myself like that. You'd have to be wouldn't you? Yeah, you're stuttering that. Yeah, you've been pretty sure about all of this. You must have lots of knowledge. Hey, I mean, doctors know a lot about cancer, but they don't like cancer. So... Yeah, I agree. That's fine. You know a lot about it though. You said animals have human behavioral traits of furries. You are a dog that is like sentient. Yeah, boy. I guess you're a furry, Rags. There are some who have called me furry. I haven't known... That's one way to answer that. But yeah, thanks for tuning in, guys. Yeah, it was a great episode. See you next time. Adventure. Yeah, everybody. Toodaloo. Check out the Reds and Evil E.F.A. Movies. All official trailer. And don't miss Black Widow in theaters near you. See the stunning midthing of girl person, Ninja, as she destroys a castle in the sky. Sweet. Good night, everybody. Bye-bye. Toodaloo. Cha-cha.