 The Barbie movie hits a billion dollars at the box office and everybody's talking about Margot Robbie's body. In fact, searches for her diet have exploded by over 1,300% on the internet. Is it good? Does this diet actually work? Well, here's the truth. It's actually not bad at all. There are a couple things you can do to make it even better. This is actually one of the better diets I've seen a celebrity promote. I'd like to get a chance to dive into it. Typically, when you see stuff like this, it's normally trash. Yeah, I just scarred it right away. Yeah, I don't even look into it anymore when I, you know, what's celebrity work out because half the time it's bullshit or it's being promoted by something else. There's some supplement line they're trying to push. Some gimmick. Yeah, some gimmick behind it. But it sounds like this wasn't, or at least what you see so far. No, it's all, okay, essentially, this is what it boils down to. Don't eat junk food, okay? I can get behind that. Yeah, so it's like don't eat heavily processed food. It's a protein targeted diet. So it's high protein. And there's a focus on foods like fish and eggs and stuff like that. Vegetables, rice, oatmeal. I mean, there's nothing like a reasonable diet. So Margot Robbie listens to Mind Pump is what you're talking about. Now, here's the one way you can make it better. It works. The one way you can make it better is it says, by the way, I want everybody to know this, that when celebrity diets come out, it's probably not what they're actually doing all the time. I think they just get interviewed and then they'll just say, like, oh, this is kind of what I did. This is what my trainer told me. Yeah, but it says she starts out her day with like blueberries and a fruit smoothie and some juice. Not the best way to start the day. You encourage fluctuations in blood sugar when you do that. And that could cause cravings and energy crashes. Studies will show that starting your day off with protein is much better in regards to cravings and energy. So that's the only thing that I read according to what they said her diet was that I thought could be better. Otherwise, I was surprised. I was pleasantly surprised. It wasn't that bad. I mean, was it that generic of that she just says, oh, I target these foods. She's not weighing and measuring. She wasn't calorie counting or anything like that. Yeah, I mean, I'll read to you. So I'll read to you kind of what it says in there. It says like breakfast, porridge with blueberries, kale and apple smoothie. That's the one that I think is probably not a great way to start the day. And then lunch is like protein is a priority. So lemon chicken, mackerel, tomatoes, cucumbers, that kind of stuff, dinner, protein and carbohydrates, tuna steak, sweet potatoes. So nothing really crazy, nothing gimmicky, which I like. Usually, like you were saying, you read a celebrity diet and they're selling something or some weird food and they're going to attribute that to their success. But hers was pretty, I don't know, maybe they caught her off guard if they weren't. Some cayenne pepper, you know, cleanse in there somewhere, nothing like that. Start your day off with lemon juice and pepper. Who did that? Is that Beyonce? Is that who did that? I think so. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, cause then you, some wacky ideas. Yeah, I think most, most times these celebrities have some sort of, you know, they're tied back to a fit app. They're tied back to a supplement line. They're tied back. And so the whole premise of the workout, the diet or something like that is some way to pitch whatever it is that they're, they're affiliated with. But it sounds like from what you're saying, it doesn't really come across that. No, I mean, I was pleasantly surprised. Like, cause I'm always afraid. Like I have a daughter, that's a teenager. And so now I'm more on the lookout for this kind of stuff. And you know, if a kid read this, it doesn't have bad information so far. Now I don't know what they're going to release if they're going to change anything. But so far it's not bad advice. I mean, if people just ate, we've said this on the show many times, if people ate close to their body weight in grams of protein or their target body weight in grams of protein and avoided heavily processed foods, that's like 90% of the way there. And most people would get pretty good results. So you've managed to not see it and you have a daughter? That's pretty impressive. She already washed it with a, I don't know. Okay. The only reason why. You know, I heard it's good, but then I also read that girls are, or girls are breaking up with their boyfriends after watching it or like bringing them. Yeah, I read these tweets and I'm like, they're like, if your boyfriend doesn't watch or doesn't like Barbie or understand it, then you need to break up with them. I have no idea what happens in the movie for them to see that. Okay. Nobody in here has seen it. Did Brie see it yet? No. She did see it, yeah. Okay. Do you have any idea, Andrew? Do you have any insight? I didn't watch it. And she liked the movie, but I asked her about like, hearing a lot of people were against it and they didn't like it. And then other people were like, the other end of the spectrum, they loved it. And she talked about, she could see both sides. And for the females and the Barbie, they lived in this world where women world the world. So there were everything from judges and lawyers to doctors and everything, infrastructure and whatnot. They didn't need men at all. And it was all about female independence, the woman empowerment and how much they don't need men. And then there was a male Barbie called Ken. So the Ken was kind of just like, you know, his, her toy, right? Did she live with? I didn't see the movie, this is how it was explained to me. And so Ken goes out to the real world where he sees the men are running the world. They're like, or at least, you know, how we see things. Yeah. So he goes back and he goes back into Barbie and tries to do the same thing. He says, in the real world, this is what happens. This isn't how it works in Barbie. He's like, men are supposed to do this and do that. And they take care of this and they run everything. Now I see where there's a big divide. The way they positioned Ken was they kind of positioned them like a fool. Or like they leaned into like to the bro's side of it. Like whenever like Ken, the men eventually went into war and they just look silly. Like they just kind of a dramaticized. Interesting. Now I know why there's a big divide. Yeah, that's a smart way to position that movie. Of course a lot of people are going to watch that. I'd like to see Barbie world meets G.I. Joe. See what that says. Yes. Now I remember how you reconciled with snake eyes. You know what I was a kid? It was always like the girls played with Barbie, right? And then the guys played with G.I. Joe. And did you guys do this? Did you G.I. Joe's always beat the shit out of Ken? Oh yeah. Of course. Ripped their head off, of course. But Ken was always big. He was like this big ass doll and G.I. Joe's were this big but they just whip his ass. Yeah. Well originally the G.I. Joe's were even bigger because they were trying to like make it so like boys had any interest in dolls and it was just like, it's so hilarious because action figure, just that term changed everything. Did you know that? I didn't know that. So that's, so you must have watched the same documentary I did. Oh the toys that made us. So they saw the popularity of dolls for girls and they said we need to make one for boys. And they tried and boys are like, I don't want to go home. Hell no. So they invented the term action figure and then they made G.I. Joe smaller and they made them be able to be posed in different positions. Yeah, they can articulate them and grab things and be functional instead of just some like big, you know, dumb doll. Yeah. That's fine. Justin got solved. He was one of those boys. It worked out yesterday. I don't want a doll. I want a doll. I'll take an action figure. Marketing worked on me a hundred percent. I'm so fascinated by human psychology. Right. It's so interesting how you can totally shift an entire culture by just changing the name of something. Totally. Oh, that's a great point. You can see how when people try to change words, why people like, that's not a big deal. It is. It's a very big deal. That's a perfect example of that right there. It's like. We think in words. It's been happening like crazy. Things take shape because of words. There's even some theories that say that if you didn't understand words you wouldn't think in the same way. So scientists will talk about that, which is kind of, my favorite was He-Man, of course. I love, you guys have He-Man? Yeah. He was the best. He, do you remember you used to twister to watch it now? Yeah, I'm an adult. But I'm talking about the action figures. Do you remember he used to be able to twist them and let go and they'd like punch? Yeah. Yeah, those were cool. They were hilarious. Well, speaking of the power of the words, I have something that I cannot wait, I couldn't wait to get here today to actually have a discussion with you guys. But before we get into it, I definitely let's do the Organify commercial because I know that is the bundle official now, Doug? Yes, dude, so. The bundle is official. Pure combined with peak performance. And that combination is amazing. I've been doing it. And this is why they bundled it because I've been doing it. 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Sal and I have had some heated debates and conversations, off air, on air about Andrew Tate. And I'll, the first to admit always when I feel like I'm wrong about something, right? And so not that I think I ever got behind Andrew Tate and said like, oh, we would be buddies, but I've defended some of the things that he said because to be honest, 90% of what that man has said, I don't disagree with just being straightforward. But I saw for the first time a, what would you call it, a compilation of videos of Andrew Tate talking about the way, and I've never fully understood exactly how he made his millions of dollars to get to his own. I had some idea of it. I know he did some stuff with the web camps and like that. I know he has kind of like these men mastermind stuff, but I've never really heard him tell the kind of the story of how he did it and exactly how he made the money. I came across this clip and I don't remember, I'll have Andrew make sure the YouTube team gives credit to this YouTuber that actually put this together, but I thought it was one of the best explanations on who he is as a character and why now I would, I would strongly disagree with the way he's gone about things because he literally is hurting the exact people that he claims to be trying to help and he's representing. Yeah, so in the clip, so he had a webcam business where girls would talk to guys in bikinis or various states of undress and the guys would give them money. These businesses exist. They're not great businesses. I think a lot of people realize that they're not the best way to make money, not very moral, whatever, fine, you can have your judgments, but he was a part of it. But that didn't bother his fans. None of that bothered his fans. Then people said, oh, you took advantage of the women. None of the women came forward. We know why now. What these women would do is they would get on these webcams and they would pretend to type back to these men, but really who was typing back was Tate and his brother. And they would type what the girl would quote unquote be saying or whatever, and they would manipulate these men into giving them money. Now here's where he kills himself because Tate's got this following that seems to be kind of like bulletproof almost, right? He can do no wrong type of deal. This is a following made up of young men who feel like they need leadership, they wanna feel stronger, they wanna feel empowered. In these videos, he talks and laughs about manipulating these guys and taking their money and lying to them and he jokes about it and thinks it's funny. Like, you know what, fuck it, I'm taking over. So what I did is I unplugged their keyboards and plugged a new one in from me behind the screen. So the chicks would sit there and hit a keyboard that wasn't plugged in. And me and my brother and eventually some staff I trained would do all the talking. The girls would sit there fully clothed or bikini. The girls were just pure, just famousers, just laughing and doing this, the titties out. One, I intimately understand the relationship between men and these websites. And they were talking to fucking ice cold hustlers. We were taking their money, all of it. I've had unseen men give away their life savings to girls they'd never met. I've watched and I've seen it. They'd come and say, what kind of, all of it? We're fucking milking them dry. And I actually think a lot of the insights I give, I had these guys selling their houses, life savings, loans, all of it to me, give me it all. A lot of the things I tell the world about the male mental health crisis. You'd have to feel bad or no. Fuck no, to give you solitary fuck. About men being so constantly lonely. We got to the point where we had these guys falling in love with my models. Serious big time in love, right? Sending crazy money. And they were convinced they were gonna meet the chick. This is almost where I kind of felt bad. About how important it is to build yourself into a high value man. Because they were like, can we meet? I've sent you $200,000. Can we meet, can we meet, can we meet? About how money alone is not enough. The problem is- What was the most that one person sent to a model? Total. Million? Wow. Wow. About a mil in about a year? You don't feel bad at all. Why the fuck would I care? Yeah, I don't feel bad either. So, to your point, Adam, I don't know how he's gonna survive that. It's him literally saying, you idiots, I'll take all your money, I'll milk you from all your cash. Basically, the very people he says that need help, that need leadership, we need more masculinity, we need whatever these poor guys have been taking advantage of, he's doing that. Well, I needed to see that too. And it's good that they got clips of him literally saying that. So it was like, it's not somebody speculating that this might have been what he was doing or he was literally coming out clean of these are the methods I was applying towards these men and he was joking about it. I was able to get all this money from this guy and basically tell the story that one of the girls needed to get out of the country and was going to the embassy. Lying. And just pure lies, just a pure con. Literally a con. And so if you look at that just from a, about their character, about their morality in general, you have to really question them later on. Like what they're actually saying that's true and authentic versus like what they're just wanting you to hear. Yeah, that's a good point. The most interesting thing about all of this to me is that it's crazy where the divide is on him, right? And there's a lot of people that were in my DMs that were talking shit to me, like that I defend Andrew Tate and he is this human trafficker, and I'm like, these people are arguing the wrong way about Andrew Tate, cause here's the deal. I bet you he gets, and I'll remember I said that he's not going to get charged with any of this stuff. He's going to get away with all of it. The main thing that they're coming after. Willing agreeing. That's why there's no girls coming out. Can you not see how this all unfolded? You have a couple of very attractive girlfriends of yours who are probably already doing only fans since there's a huge percentage of young girls that are utilizing this as a tool, probably not making very much money. And he goes, come here, let me show you. Turbo charges your business. And turbo charges your business. You make more money than you ever making yourself. That's the reason why none of these girls feel like they were taken advantage of is because they, and that's why this whole case is going to get thrown out and he's not going to throw up. But you guys are making the wrong argument about him. That's not the right argument because it's not the true one. It's what is true, and he's said it himself, is that he is taking advantage of these young men. The same young men that he has built his entire business around trying to prop up and say, I'm here to lead you and help you and support you. So that's the part that I think is the coup de gras with him and his business. Now there is a percentage of people, Sal, that, and why he won't go away. Yeah, this is gonna be the douchebag alpha guys. Yeah, well, you took advantage of those betas because that's what we're supposed to do. Right. So here's the, I don't think you should make that statement. Here's why. He's obviously a liar. He's obviously a liar. The information that you're quoting right now about nobody coming forward came from his mouth. We don't know. It's only what he said. That's fair. That's fair. I'll take that. Here's the stance I've always taken with Andrew Tate. A lot of the stuff he says is true. I don't like him. And there was, I couldn't necessarily put my finger on it. You couldn't figure it out because we didn't have content. He's not the kind of guy I'd want my kid to follow. He doesn't seem like a good guy. And now it's very clear that he has the dark, what they call the dark triad of personality traits, the personality dysfunctional traits. He's narcissist, classic extreme narcissist. He believes he is better and smarter and he'll say this. And he lacks empathy. He's Machiavellian, meaning he's very manipulative. He schemes and plans. He also admits this. Right, 3D chess player. And he's also a psychopath, zero empathy, does not care. And he also talks about not caring. Those kind of people can get very far in society because they tend to be charismatic. They tend to use truth. This is what he did. He did say things that were true. And that's how he grabs you. Then his charisma pulls you in. Then if you're susceptible to that because you don't have a good father figure, you maybe feel like you're beat down, girls are turning you down, whatever. You're like, this guy seems strong. He seems confident. I want to follow this guy. And then you believe all the bullshit that he says. Now here's where I'm going to not defend him, but where I'm going to talk to the young men right now who follow him, here's the big problem. This is with any celebrity or anybody who's got any pull or even us, okay? Even us, if you listen to us, nobody's an angel. Do not worship celebrities. You can take things that people say that are true and that work for you, find out that that person's a piece of crap, but still realize that the statement or thing that they said was true. Because what I'm afraid of is a lot of young men who felt like he helped them are going to see him talk about how he manipulated other men. Right in the opposite direction. And now they're going to be like, oh, all that stuff is garbage. No, no, no. What he said about working out, what he said about picking yourself up, what he said about working hard, what he said about standing tall. Like, all those are true. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater because the guy that you idolized turned out to be a piece of crap. Most people are in some way, shape, or form totally flawed. He's very flawed. This is for sure a dark side to his message. Yeah, he's very flawed. I think that's a great way to say it because that's, and from the very beginning, that was, people thought that I was defending him and his character. And I'm like, I don't know, like many people that we've talked about before, I don't know their character. I don't know who they are as a person. But what I would defend was a lot of the things that he was saying. I agree. And I still agree with a lot of these things. It doesn't mean that. I can separate the two. You know how hard that is for people? I don't know why that is. It's so funny. But I mean, it makes sense. It's the reason why we play identity politics, right? Instead of actually going after people's policies and what do they do for the country, it's like, let me go tack their character and then convince them that they're a bad president, a bad person because they did this or that. It's like, you can do both. You can have somebody who says a lot of the right, smart things and at the same time, them not a good person. Yeah, it's because we, well of course there's extremes that would apply. Like you wouldn't want to find out somebody was like a murderer or something like that. Like that would change everything. But it's because largely we want gods to worship. It's a fact. If you don't actively worship the perfect thing which would be a God, which would be God, right? Perfect. Then you'll inevitably end up worshiping people or something else and you'll idolize them. Literally you'll idolize them. And this is what you see. Celebrities become idolized where they could do no wrong. Like somebody who sings really well or makes amazing music, then you hear bad news about them. You don't want to believe it. People had a tough time believing Bill Cosby did what he did or Michael Jackson did what he did. Why? Because Bill Cosby's funny. He's a great actor. The halo effect. Yeah, the truth is that by the way, there's a bit of a self-selection bias with famous people. Yeah. If you want to find- That they want to be famous, right? If you want to find a greater percentage of Machiavellian tendencies, narcissistic tendencies and psychopathic tendencies, look no further than famous people, whether it be politicians or celebrities. People who seek that- Well, especially actors. I mean, they're portraying a different person. They're not even like- They're good at it. Authentically being themselves. Yeah, they're very good at it. And they're very good at winning you over because that's their entire way to get businesses to be able to win over these directors and these casting people. Well, look how good Tate did. I mean, the fact that he was able to go on countless podcasts that disagreed with him, Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens. I mean, he's had, what's his face from the UK that's like a hard interviewer? I mean, he's done a lot of these interviews where, you know, and I think where people went wrong was again, I think they were trying to pin something on him that either one hasn't been proven yet or can't be proved potentially or isn't true, versus I think the total flaw in this whole thing is that like, man, you're whole missing. You claim that you're like chosen to go help young men and that they need that so bad. You at the same time, you're taking advantage of them? Yeah, that's not a hard, that's crazy. It's not a stretch to think that he's still doing it. That's the point. That's a cult leader's MO, you know, like 100%. You win them over and you get, you tell, it's always like wrapped in with truth. And you have to lead with the truth first in order to like pull them in and win them over. And then, you know, it just inevitably starts to go into that, you know, that behavioral pattern of like, I know everything and everybody's following me. So now I can really, you know, ramp this up and get them to do things that I also myself. I felt it. I mean, just watching his video, the bravado, that's what I kept saying in the past podcast. It was just bravado. Like he could say the exact same thing sometimes, maybe a little differently, but the exact same thing is someone out like Jordan Peterson. Sometimes the messages actually sound similar, not always, obviously, but sometimes it sounds similar. But it was the bravado. And like, if I met him on the street and he talked to me, like, yeah, I like kind of what you're saying, but I don't like you. There's something about you I don't like. And that's what I kept, you know, that's what I kept pointing to. It was like- Can't really shake it. So how is it? The litmus testimony would be like, would you want your kid having that person as a real life mentor, not just on the internet? And it'd probably be like, no, I don't want him hanging around with this dude. But yeah, he's 100% that narcissistic, Machiavellian psychopath. The unfortunate part, I was having this conversation with a friend of mine. I shared that same video with him. Because again, it is my style if I felt like I was, especially since you and I got into it about him multiple times. I mean, you had a better judge of his character than I did, plain and simple. We both agree that we agree with what he said. I gave him more latitude or potential belief that, oh, maybe he's not as bad of a guy. Let's see what he looks like if we were to meet him in person. But I mean, to me, it's clear as day. I've seen enough now and understand how he makes his money clearly and to me, that's it. I'm not gonna get caught up in all the other stuff that people are talking about. But I was talking to my buddy about this and he's like, that's why we have people like Jordan Peterson. I said, yeah, but the unfortunate part is that Jordan Peterson attracts an intellect. It attracts a older, more mature, wiser, well-read man. And there is a huge amount of young boys that are starving for good leadership and good information. And unfortunately, that's where he capitalized. He capitalized on the 15 to 25-year-old young man that agreed with a lot of what he was saying. And then because of that, automatically attached that this is a good leader, this is a good person to follow. And I feel like we need that. We need somebody for that demographic. This just takes a shot, right? It just knocks down these men, these young men. Like they don't wanna follow any... This is what happens in the fitness space often is that, because they're insecure, right? When you're insecure, it's easy to be manipulated. And what happens in the fitness space is someone's insecure about their weight, they follow this fad or they take this pill, doesn't work for them, eventually they just give up. So what hurts me about this is I wonder if there's young men who follow him, who this is their last chant. This is the last time they're gonna try. Then they find this out, their hero falls, they never try again. And there's a percentage of people that might do that. And that makes me sad. I was trying to imagine if like the difference of like our character, right? As men, like how we differ from someone with that. Like what would we have to do in our space to be put in that category? Like I was thinking like we would have to sell the health and fitness message as hard as we do while simultaneously selling people some sort of a supplement or a pill that intentionally makes them sicker and fatter. Right? Like that's literally like the same thing. Like it would be like our message. Or making fun of people. And then in addition to that, in addition to that bragging when we go places, like, oh yeah, we've made millions off of this supplement we give. And it actually makes all these people fatter and sicker and stuff like that. And then on our podcast, we talk all about the importance of health and fitness and hypocrisy. Yeah, it's like that's, and I honestly think that's worse than a lot of the accusations that he's being hit with. And that's where people are going wrong. Here's they're going after all these other rumors or other things that have been tied to. It's like, you don't even need, why waste time talking about that? Literally talk about what that man is admitting that he's already came out and said that he did. That's the argument. Yeah, I wanna back up too to what you said about like judging character. You know, that reminds me of something I think that's real important that I think, this is true for everybody. It's really important that you have good friends that you trust because you're going to miss something they're gonna pick up and vice versa. So I tend to be more judgy than you. That works sometimes, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes I will think someone's a particular way. You tend to reserve judgment and it turns out that you were right. And that means that together, we're able to move a little further because I trust you. You know, I've trust Justin the same way and Doug. So it's important to have those friends because you will miss certain things. Like you're gonna, and I guarantee you that my opinion as much as we debated, probably had you pause a little bit as well, just like yours does. Nobody's batting a thousand, it's impossible. No, and I think the thing that's to add to that that I think is so important, what I love about you guys is, and I know about you guys, even though sometimes we get comments that, you know, people, the irony that people thought that like I was really defending Anjutay or like I thought like, I'm not like a follower of this guy at all. It's just like, I've seen clips. I've heard the controversy back and forth. So I've watched some things and I like a lot of what he said. Like I still stand behind that, but this idea that people get so attached to a character, that's not even who I am. I don't care. I don't, even Jordan Peterson, I love Jordan Peterson as a, like what he has to say, but I don't idolize the guy. You know what I'm saying? I'm not gonna go defend him to the tee. And I love that we all have that ability to be able to look at someone, what they're saying, go back and forth. Oh, I like him. Oh, I don't like him and be able to have this conversation. Meanwhile, I'm not so, you know, I'm not so sucked in by it that I can't find something like that, that, oh, now I see it. Now it makes sense. The last time that happened to me, kinda. So Arnold Schwarzenegger is always somebody that I've looked up to in the sense that he was an immigrant. He's built businesses. He's accomplished things that he said he was going to. Yada, yada, yada, right? So as a kid, I followed him. And then remember during the pandemic, he did that video, fuck your freedom. So whatever, my heart was like, crush it. Oh, I know. Come on, Arnold. I couldn't believe it. But then like, you know. Didn't want to believe it. Yeah, I know. But then a week later, I'm like, what am I? Of course, if he's got his opinions, that doesn't take anything away from all the other stuff that he's done. And if I met the guy and we hung out, I would tell him. Like, I liked all this other stuff, but that being said was stupid. And then I'm sure it'd be fine, maybe not. That was the dumb thing you said. Yeah, so. And then you move on. Idolizing people, they're gonna let you down. There isn't a single human on earth that won't let you down if you idolize them. It's just. 100% of the time, too. 100, everybody. Not sometimes, not most, like 100% of the time. At one point, they will. It's just it. At one point, they won't live up to that. Hey, I did listen to the PBD and Joe Rogan episode. Oh, you listened to the whole thing? I got about halfway through. I never listened to a full Joe Rogan, I always say. Like that one got me. I was interested in the conversation. You know what was good about that? It was like they were interviewing each other. I know. I love PBD, dude. He's good about that. He'll interview Joe. See, you get to be careful. I say I love PBD. I don't fucking know the man. I haven't hung out with a guy. I don't know if he's a good father, or if he's a good man. Could be a terrible person. Like, you know, it's like, just because I say something like that, it's like. You love his content. I do. I love the content he puts out. I love a lot of things that he talks about. That's Patrick Bet David. Correct. Because nobody knows who PBD is. What PBD is. I think a lot of people know who PBD is. Not everybody. Yeah, you're right. Peanut butter dessert. That's why I like that. He has a great book, too, that I think I've talked about on the show before. Your next five moves that I think is an excellent read. But that podcast was good. Boy, Rogan, he got Rogan a really, because one thing sometimes Joe Rogan does is he waffles a little bit. Yes. Like he's not, he won't like 100% say where he stands. He's calculated on certain things. And he's holding his cards a lot of times. And so you don't get a lot of like his real opinions to come out because he wants his guests to really be able to. And I thought Patrick did that. He did. Yeah. So he basically, I mean. There's a couple of times where Patrick's like, it's Joe Rogan's show. And Patrick was like, so let me ask you this. And then he was giving him scenarios. I was interviewing him. I would say, so Rogan went, I mean, he went hard. He went hard on the COVID vaccine. Then they talked about politics. He would, I guess he would qualify. What's the euphemism, redpilled is what it sounds like. How he talked about how Trump did these good things. Doesn't like the guy, but he did these good things. If he had to choose between him and Biden, I would vote Trump. And I haven't yet seen the backlash for what's going to happen from him saying that, but I can only imagine he's going to be public enemy number one for the big year. Do you think, so after listening to that, I sent a text to you like, do you think he's going to get Trump on the show? Oh God, that would break the internet. I think he's doing it. He might. I mean, I hope. I'm sure he's been kicking that idea around quite a bit. And plus they met at that when UFC event, right? So it's like, I'm sure that's been on his mind quite a bit. So when does it, the timing of it makes sense? So here's the great question. Because a lot of people are like, why didn't he just do it? As much as it could help Trump, it could hurt him, depending on what he says. Trump right now is leading so far in the primaries. He's so far ahead of all of his competitors for becoming the nominee, that it's smarter for him not to say anything. He's not even going to do the debates. Yeah. It's like you're in a boxing match. It's the 12th round. You've knocked down your opponent every single round leading up to this one. You're not going to go to- Just play defensive. You're just going to play, you're just going to run away and stand around. Because you won, right? That's a smart way to fight there. Trump's so far ahead that if he says anything, the likelihood that it'll hurt him is higher, then it'll help him and he doesn't need any help right now. In fact, he alluded to not doing debates for the primaries, which is very smart. He said, I can't wait, I look forward to watching these guys debate to see who's going to be my VC. See who's going to be your vice president. Which is actually a smart thing to say because everybody's so far behind, what he might get the people to do is to not attack him in the primaries when they're debating each other. Because we're not going to win. So the best thing I could do is try and get on his good side. And set up to be a VP. I mean, it's actually smart. Is he still indicted right now? Like, is he still going through the court? Yeah, but nothing he got charged with. The third time, right? Yeah, but nothing he got charged with would prevent him from running. It wasn't, and none of the stuff was, I don't remember, there was one charge that didn't do. That would be the one that would prevent him from- I just find it interesting that a lot of the propaganda leading into like the Russian collusion, all this was proven not true. People still hold on to that. Listen, it's clear. I don't care what your thoughts are. What you're saying is you don't trust the justice system. That's what you're saying to me. Listen, I don't care if you like him, don't like him, whatever, it doesn't matter. 100%, this is a political witch hunt. It's clear. There are Democrats that are saying it. What I can't get, what I can't wrap my brain around though is if it's a smart strategy or not. It's the Hail Mary strategy that they have. You know what, in a bad position that Democrats are in right now? They either have Biden run, which if he decides to run, he will. He can, he's the guy. And he's clearly in some pretty bad stages of dementia. Clearly, clearly. His favorability is dropping. A lot of people are blaming the Democrats for the pandemic response and stuff like that. They have no, with him, it's bad. And then if he steps down, which it looks like some people in the Democrat Party are trying to get him to do, then you'll have someone like Gavin Newsom. So I think their best bet is to go against the guy they know that they've beat before, and they kind of have the script, which is Trump. But I don't know, I don't know, man. We'll see what happens. Yeah, it's gonna be real interesting leading up like what they pull out. Cause I mean, yeah, all they have is like, a Newsom is like their sort of dark horse. They're gonna see if they can bring him in. Please don't kill him, dude. Anybody? All you gotta do is look at California. That's it. Terrible. Isn't it obvious so that he's gonna be, isn't it pretty obvious with like the moves and things that he's doing, where he's kind of like quietly campaigning right now? He's their next golden boy for sure. He's their next golden boy. He's got the looks, he's got the talk. He's got the pedigree. Just make irrelevant points and do nothing of substance. Yeah, but God. Isn't RFK, doesn't he, isn't he under the guff... RFK is so against... I love what he's doing. He's so against the narrative. But he's Democrat, isn't he? He is running... If they run a primary, he would be able to run, but I do not... Oh, sorry, they only run a primary if Joe decides not to elect to go again. Then they run the primary. Okay, so here's some other speculation. That Biden steps down, temporarily making Kamala the president, and then they have to primary, which would make Kamala the first female president. Now just think about how angry Hillary... What kind of half that happened? Oh, you know how bad she would get? She was supposed to be the first female president. She was, yeah. Ah! And then Kamala gets it of all people? Oh, God, dude. I know, that was so funny. I mean, we're coming right in the next month or two, right? It really should start heating up, no? It's gonna start heating up, yeah, pretty good. It's already, we're already starting to get into the... They spend so much money, do you? They're already pulling our content, what the fuck? Can you believe that? I know. What the hell? The sensor machines are back. Our video that said that men are weak, why men are weak today, which we're talking about the things affecting young men, it was a clip that got pulled off of Instagram for... What was the... Hate speech. Hate speech, because we said, why men are weak? Men today are weak. Here's the six reasons why. Pornography. I mean, anything can be porn. Substance abuse. Chronic use that can then reset really our dopamine threshold. Lack of physical strength. Video games. No good role models. And loneliness. Those are the six reasons why men today are not like they used to be. That's hate speech. That's crazy. I don't understand, yeah, I don't know. Well, so... Yes it is. No, I know that, I know that, but I'm saying it's because people reported it, right? Oh, oh yeah. I don't think it's on Instagram then. I mean, that's the thing, it's really silly how... Like, I mean, I'm the one who always kind of calms us down about like calm down, like the government's not coming after us, nobody's trying to shut us down, okay, calm down. Literally the way it works. Turn off your camera. It's an algorithm. Obviously Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, all these things are massive. They do not have the time to go around and pick every little podcast and everything that they say that isn't aligned with them, but what they do is, all it takes is 30 Karens. You know, I'm 30 is just to... No, this is probably Karens, these are probably Karens. Yeah, Karens are Karens that are offended by the content to report it and that's enough to trigger the automatic pull and warning that gets sent out. So, I mean, that's just that, obviously that clip. I mean, what a weird place to be in as a content creator where you know these are the things that need to be talked about, these are the things that need to be said. You know that you don't wanna waffle around like you're saying Joe is doing. You want, you know, I firmly believe if you don't stand for anything, you'll fall for anything. So, hey, this is what I believe. I believe this is an important message. Let's say it, let's tell people, but then you have this, you know, weird like, oh, if I do that though, then I'm gonna probably... I'm just gonna pull it. We have a large enough following now that it's not hard to piss 30 Karens off with any piece of content. And so, unless we stay so neutral that all we talk about is exercise and we don't talk about anything else, it's like, okay, that's the only way that we don't get stuff pulled. It's sad because that's a health issue. The stuff that we listed on there was backed by data. Men are being affected disproportionately by the things that we listed. And it's growing and getting worse. Men are weaker today than they were before. Yes. Like these are all facts. Yes. So, and a lot of guys, you know, they need to hear this because they might not be aware of what's happening, what they're doing to themselves. With some of the things that we talked about. So it's whatever we'll see. But I mean, we talked to somebody about this and who does this for a living. And they said that larger accounts, there's something you can set up that will help protect against that because lots of large accounts will have groups of people try to shut them down if they disagree with you. I mean, look- I imagine what we're basically paying for is for that auto algorithm to be stopped. And then if we get, or if we get flagged, then they have to manually go in and check for themselves. And then as long as it passes, and they're like- I mean, it kind of, Lane Norton hasn't got kicked off by now, you know? That guy pisses everybody off half the time. So he's, I know he's dealt with stuff. He has. He has stuff pulled before for the same reason. I'm sure for just rubbing people the wrong way. All right. Speaking of rubbing things the wrong way and crazy shit. What is that video that you showed me? Someone used AI. Oh yeah. And made me promote a product that we don't promote. Yes. To Turkestone or Turkestone or Turkestone. Oh, Ektesterone. Ektesterone. Yeah, I sent it to Doug. Actually, somebody sent it- Like a deep fake? Correct. Yes. What the hell? Somebody sent it to me, and I sent it to Doug. Half one to give Doug a heads up that someone was doing this. Doug gets so mad. I know. That's why I sent it to him and not everybody else. I sent it to him to get on it right away, which I knew he would. Also though, like, hey, good job editing here. I was like, I mean- I mean, wasn't it a clip that you actually mentioned Ektesterone? Oh yeah. You've mentioned it before. Oh, a long time ago. So they string it together with- Yeah, and then they maybe say stuff that I didn't actually say. Like promoting their product. With your voice or like with your video and your face? Everything. What? I don't think they say, you say their product name. I don't. Yes, he does. Oh, he does. He says the name of the product. He says it's great. And then he says, this is where you get it. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. It's so good. So good. So good, but so dishonest. Super dishonest. Disgusting company. Even though you have flattered me with the fact that I can serve so well. They're a German company. Oh, I'm such a good sales person. People are using me to sell their stupid shit. So what's such bullshit about this game? I mean, it reminds me of the old supplement game of like you put stuff that you know is a steroid and it hasn't been put on the list yet, right? You just get a slap on the wrist. Like that's the only thing that's gonna happen. Like who knows how long that ad has been running. Nobody can keep up with this. If AI, there are AI apps right now that you could do and people could do this a million times, how are you gonna stop them all? Look, here's the deal. If you wanna know if we legitimately support a product, go to mindpumppartners.com. Only the partners that we have are listed there. That's how you know if it was a real. So if you listen to the show and you heard that clip, you'd be like, that's interesting. I don't know. I mean, would he say it that way? Go to Mind Pump Partners and see. By the way, Ekti Sterone. I'm trying to say that. Yeah, Ekti Sterone does have some potential benefits. I wouldn't recommend to everyone and I don't have a company that I would promote it with because I haven't found one yet. That's legit. In fact, a lot of fake stuff out there. And I don't know this company, but if they went out of their way to use me and use AI to make me say that their stuff is good, then they're probably full of crap. So I wouldn't buy their stuff. In fact, I heard that their stuff, their pills have monkeypox in it, doesn't it? Yeah. So you probably don't wanna get monkeypox. I mean, wasn't the last time this happened, Adam had like his picture of when you were competing. I was like blown up to this huge post or somewhere like Kuwait or something. Oh, I love that. That's so funny. I mean, we live in this weird time like that, man, where that's gonna happen more and more and more. I didn't realize that they actually used his voice to say they're brand. Wow, they did. How disturbing. That's nuts. There are female actresses and people who will get there, they'll deep fake them and then make them do porn and shit. How disturbing would that be if someone sent you a video and it was you doing some sexual shit that you would never, it wasn't you? Like, how disturbing to see that. You know, 100% already, that's my alibi. So. That's it. That's my go-to, dude. Honey, that's AI. It's AI. It's getting crazy, isn't it? It really looks like my freckle. Really good, yeah. How do they know you had a mole there? That's weird. I don't know. Yeah, he's very predictive. It's super intelligent, I understand. Let's go. Don't believe anything you see. I know, dude. Did you guys, did either of you guys watch the Jake Paul fight at all? Just some clips, so you won by decision? Yeah, I went to the decision, it was actually a good fight. Yeah, I mean. How much does he outweigh, what's his name by? Is it, but does he outweigh him by a lot? No, they weighed in. They weighed in. Yeah, it was a weigh-in. It was tall and filled out. I thought these boxing matches, I think that they still have weights that they have to come in. They do, it's not considered exhibition. Yeah, when they get in there and box, like, I don't know, I can't speak to all his fights he's done. Because they know exhibition, they don't, it doesn't matter what the way it is. 185. 185, huh? 185. Wow. Yeah, these are considered pro fights. So they're sanctioning everything. I mean, yeah, and they go on the record of whether he's a, yeah, so. So you watched the fight, was he? So I've watched most of his fights now. I didn't watch the very first one when he did the ones that go with KSI, like the original ones, but I followed his journey. I'm just curious, right? So, and I know I'm like, I'm not like, I don't think he's like this amazing. But I tell you what, man, he's a good boxer. He's getting better and better. I mean, the, and he. He looks like he's been improving quite a bit. He is. He's a good athlete. Yeah. And I really think that this is the future of what we're going to see in like mixed martial arts. I even think that he's going to disrupt. Am I, did you guys happen to watch his documentary yet? Yeah, you did. Great, I did watch it. So, OK, how fascinating is his part, his business partner? The partner that came from USC, right? He was the CFO. He sought him out. The CFO of USC. I forget the guy's name. Nakista or something like that. He is partners with Jake Paul in building their own promotion fight, fight company. He looked at him as the ultimate marketing mouthpiece, you know, the one that like could really not also be a boxer and be in it, but then also like promote the hell out of it. And all he has to do is like, you know, what he did for the UFC. Anyway, with him to disrupt the whole game completely. Yeah. And these guys aren't just trying to disrupt boxing. They're trying to disrupt MMA too. It's Nakista Bedarian. Now, are they, so I'm sure they're setting up an MMA fight now. So he offered him $10 million. So I think he, I mean, he'll lose on the ground for sure. That's a world-class Jitsu guy. Oh, I mean, actually, dude, Diaz gave a run for his money boxing. Well, he's a pro fighter. I mean, he's just had a few boxing matches. So what made the fight kind of fun to watch? So the first couple rounds, I'm going to share how this thing goes down, but it's already over, right? Yeah, it's over. So the first couple rounds, Jake comes out and looks more dominant as the well-rounded boxer. Like, and Nate looks like he's just, you know, goofing around like he does, you know what I'm saying? Like, messing with the mess. But as the rounds go on, it gets deeper and around six, seven, and eight, you start to see Jake start to tire out a little bit. And I tell you what, Diaz has just got a gas tank on. Oh, those guys are crazy. And take a beating. You know, they compete in triathlons for fun. Yeah. They're just so crazy here. I really think if it went 12 rounds, it would have been way closer. It was very obvious that Jake Paul won the fight. How many rounds did it go? It went to 10. And by the way, it was supposed to be eight. And Diaz's camp fought for 10. And so they agreed to 10. I wish it would have went 12. Because as the fights kept going on and on, like Diaz looked good, dude. Dude, for a guy who is an MMA fighter, for him to be able to hang like that from Sony's boxing. I mean, I just, I got more respect from Diaz from that. I don't think it was a good look for Paul as far as his boxing career he's doing right now. In fact, you can see, what's his Nikisha? Is that his name? Nikisha, whatever. His partner, he's sitting like ringside, like where the camera's at 90% of the time, like that seat that you can see him the whole time or what like that. And you can see his facial expressions during the fight as the fight was going like, I think they really expected him to knock him out within like four rounds. And that was the, they needed the story to go that way. And to see Diaz hang in there goofing around and still like hanging with this guy who's like, they're trying to make this case that he's a serious boxer. And he's, and you know, I think that was not a good look for him at all. It wasn't so as Tyson Fury he fought before that, right? Tommy. Or Tommy, yeah. So that was like his first real like legit boxing match with a boxer. And he won people over with that. He did because, and he lost, but he took him the distance. He could fight. Oh, he could definitely. I beyond a shadow of doubt. Oh, I mean, the knockouts that he's done with like Tyrone Woodley and like, I mean, those were like, he put people to sleep. Speaking of beat downs, did you guys see those immigrant business owners beat down the dude stealing all the stuff from their convenience store? Did you see that? No. So it's this. So street justice. Yeah. And by the way, they're probably going to get, it looks like they're going to get charged with assault or something like that. What? So the clip shows, they're two seek business owners. So immigrant business owners, and there's a dude wearing a ski mask or whatever, and he's just stealing shit behind the counter. And they're like, no, there's more to the story. Apparently it's the third time this guy, the same guy shoplifted them. Okay. And they're taking it and they're like telling them like to stop whatever he's not stopping. Guy filming is like, there's nothing you could do, nothing you could do. He even asked the guy for a pack of, so I don't know what from the behind the counter, almost like he's like making a joke about it. He's taking like all the cigarettes off the shelves. Yeah. And he's like, there's nothing you could do to the business owners. And so finally, the guy goes to leave. He's got literally, he's rolled in a garbage can and was scooping stuff in there. He tries to get out. Super brazen. One of the business owners stops him, they start wrestling. One of the other ones grabs, what looks like a big long, I don't know if it's like a. It's a stick of some sort. Looks like a shovel handle or something, big, thick stick and just hits them. And the guy hits the ground and then just starts beating the shadow. Yeah. And then the guy's on the ground and you know, I'm going to save my opinions of whether or not that, you know, he deserved it or not. I think this, you're going to see more of this kind of shit when the laws are going the way they are in some of these cities where I look San Francisco, I'm listen, my brother lived there and he's literally told me he was in a CVS and people walked in with garbage bags, scooped a bunch of shit in there. Nobody could stop him. Why? Because if it's under a certain dollar amount, they just let him go. They walked around the corner, put it out on the street and sold it to people. They just literally walked in, took it. Nobody did anything. Everybody knows it's not right, but there's this weird idea that, oh, well, we don't want to, you know, this is the only way that they can make money. There's always weird justifications. Don't you have insurance? Yeah. And they don't want to be super hard. But the thing about these laws, it protects everybody. Yes. And the business owners have been getting the fucking shaft, you know, since the very beginning of like the pandemic and everything. Inevitably, if you allow these things to persist, they're gonna take it in their own hands. That's it. And more, like you said, more of this is gonna happen. This can be ugly and unnecessary. Especially immigrants. These people came, these immigrants who come here and who, it's hard. They didn't come here because oftentimes, because, you know, whatever, they came here because it was a better opportunity. They left their homeland where they spoke the right language. They came here. They don't speak the language. They build a business like a convenience store, which means they probably scraped a bunch of money together with their families, open it up, land of opportunity. Here we go. And then the laws don't even protect them and people are stealing their shit. They're gonna fight you. Like they're gonna, you're gonna get more shit like this if you don't pass some laws that makes some sense. By the way, have you guys seen what some businesses are doing because of those laws? I don't remember what the amount was. Oh yeah, I saw that where it's like they... In San Francisco, it's like if it's under 900-something dollars, then basically it's not a big deal. Like they put it like the price way over, but then when you come up, you get like a code or something like that for a discount. Everything in the store is $1,000 or more. This is like $900 off. But when you bring it up to the front, there's a coupon code that they use to discount. That way if you steal it, they could charge you with, you know, and I don't know if that works, but I think that's a smart approach. It's a brilliant way to get around it. There's one way to handle it. I know, but I feel, I feel it makes me so angry. It's like just these brazen criminals. I'm assuming this is California. I don't know where it is. Oh really? It might be New York. I'm not sure. Yeah, and there's like some places in the Midwest you've seen, you know, and even Chicago's like really gone downhill from when I've been there and, you know, Minneapolis. And so yeah, you've seen this like in other cities that have just decided that they're not gonna be quite as strict with their, you know, enforcement of these laws. It's just, it's backfiring. No, theft, property damage and hurting people should be the top, those should be the most punished crimes. Those should be the biggest. I mean, I've always thought it was crazy though. I don't know what the laws were. Like somebody breaks into a house in California that like you could get in trouble for. Shooting them. Yeah, I know. That's crazy. I know. That's so wild to me. I know, doesn't make any sense. I know I had a friend. To me, that has to be one of the most scary threatening things that could ever happen. You see a random man in your house, your kids are in bed, your wife's in bed. It's a threat to your life. I don't care if he's caring or not caring. You're gonna wait to see if he's caring. Yeah, I would never take that chance. People watch too many movies. Oh, you're gonna pull out your gun faster. You know, it's terrifying that would be to wake up in the night with some random dude in your house. Armed or not armed, does not matter, because you don't know. No. That's crazy to me that I don't have the right at that point to protect my family. Yeah, the law should be like this. If you go inside someone's house and they feel threatened by you, it's on you. And if they defend themselves because they're scared, well, then that's how it is. That's so prerogative. I know there's actually people who have sued homeowners because they broke into their house and would like cut themselves on it. They injured themselves? Yes. Have you heard of those cases? Yes, I have. I don't know if they won or not. It's California. It was Stockton. Oh my gosh. Is that where it was? Stockton, California? Elect Gavin Newsom, everybody. They'll make the world that way, America that way. Oh my gosh. Wow. That's so terrible. Anyway, I did a Viori test earlier this week. I wanna tell you guys about. A Viori test? Yeah. What do you mean? Some people were messaging me and said, cause I talk about, we always talk about their clothes. Obviously we're working them for a while and with them. And I like to wear their slacks. These are like nice slacks. Like you could wear these to work or to go out or whatever, but they're really stretchy. So I worked out on them. And they're great workout pants too. They stretch and I could squat. I mean, that's why. Squat them all the time. Deadlift, they drove the- People give me grief. I feel like I'm wearing the tan ones. Like I'm wearing khakis and they're like, you're squatting khakis? That's such a dad move. No. Dude, these are comfortable. If Justin doesn't blow the back out, you know those things. Got some strength. They got some strength in those fibers. I mean, it's so hard cause they're technically athleisure wear, right? That's the category that, by the way, which didn't exist what 15 years ago or whatever. So they're this athleisure wear. So they are more, they're more athletic clothes than they would be considered dress clothes. They just happened to be done and made so nice that you could throw a polo shirt like you're doing right now. And now all of a sudden it looks like you're dressed up. That's what's kind of cool about it. It's like they're really athletic clothes first. And then because they look sharp enough, you could dress them up, you know? Dude, I gotta bring someone up real quick here. I don't know if we gave this guy a shout out, but we'll watch his video and then maybe Doug, you see if we didn't get him and we'll make, this will be a shout out and extra if that's the case. But I sent you the link in the text, the group thread Doug. You've showed us this guy before, Justin. His name, his name is, and I've seen him before, his name is Tom, I think Haveland, let me see. He already showed this guy out, the guy. Did we shout him out? Yeah, I shouted this guy out. This is the guy who you never see his face. Bro, he's so strong. Yeah, you never see his face. Oh my God, he's like a real world superhero. He is. He's bench pressing in this now. Now remember, he deadlifts insane amounts of weight, long arms, tall guy. In this video, he's bench pressing with a pause, 617 pounds. Dude. No bench shirt, looks like he came home from work. Yeah, he does. Did he seal road or form plates? That's okay, so my favorite part. He's the ultimate gangster in my opinion. My favorite part about this guy is this, the mysterious, like you don't know who he is. Yes, you can find, it's like Batman, dude. You can actually look him up in this case and read about him. I think he was Special Forces or something like that. Yeah. Oh, is that what he was? Yeah, yeah. And he's just like ridiculously strong. Yeah, dude, this is the kind of human. Imagine like breaking into his house. No. A 617 pound bench press. With a pause. And he's not like, Clean too. Clean. He's not like power lifting technique or it's like just a bench press. No. I'm just gonna lift heavy things. Dude. And then he does and it's a mind boggling. And he's not like, does it not built like a, you know, the power lift was a bench a lot, like real round with the short arm. No, no, he looks like a tall, he's like a tall dude and he just crushes. That's a picture of him. Look how jacked. Oh, is that him? Yeah. Oh, so that's the first time I've seen him. Bro, why does he look like, like he's a real superhero? He's like an action hero. He looks more like four than what's his name does. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's the first time I've actually seen his face. I, so I see him, he's got the flag for jail house strong. Has he connected to those guys? I don't know. Do you know if they're affiliated or something? I have no idea. But I think he was Special Forces. Maybe Doug can find out or one of you guys can find out. He looks younger than what I thought he was. I thought he was older. I definitely like the mystery around it. You know, it's cool that he's like, he doesn't put anything out there. He's not hyping himself up. He's just like, look what I can do. And you're just like, holy shit. Oh, whoa, whoa. He's six, eight? He's six, eight, dude, he's a giant. No way. Even more impressive. Oh my God. Hold on. He's six, eight power lifter. Okay. So he was a power lifter. I'm making up things. Yeah, sure. Oh, you know, he's saved every power lifter. He just lifts. You know, he punched a comment into the savior. This is how he starts. I know, you know, all because he's like, I heard you pulled the X caliber out of the stone. Bro, hey, you know what sucks? There's people in the world that are like that. Could you imagine if this was like 50,000 years ago and you're with your tribe and then he shows up and he's like, give me your food. Yeah. I'm going to take your girls. Yeah. Fuck. Well, let me have a talk with my wife. Nice. Honey, sorry. I think he changed his Instagram handle because we shot, I shouted him out a long while ago. When I shot him out, Justin had already known who he was. So it's Tom underscore. But I think he's changed his, I think it was called something else before when he, but yeah, I follow. Look him up. He's one of the strongest humans I've ever seen. Dude, I didn't know he was six, eight, two. No, that's even crazier, dude. That's a big boy. Scary. I have a shout out that you guys will like that I sent over, I think I sent it over the clip to you, but somebody made a painting of the girl, the viral girl on the plane. He's not real. He's not real. And it's great. It's a painting of her pointing, saying that, and then you look back at the plane and there's like a unicorn. Super little, like a big foot. Yeah, dude. So cool. So the guy's name is Travis Chapman. And so his Instagram handle is travis underscore Chapman underscore artist, I believe, right? Is that right, Doug? That's correct. Yeah, so I actually bought the painting. So I don't know where I'm gonna put it. I don't know where I'm gonna put it yet. I feel like it should go in here. I feel like it too, but I feel like I don't know where, where it's gonna fit, but. It would be just inside when it came to my sense. No, no, I mean, yeah. You're the conspiracy, you're known as the conspiracy. True. I mean, I just, I thought it was super clever. And you know, I would have loved to get my hands on the original, but I got like at least a print of it. So I don't know who got, I don't forget who he said, I actually talked to the artist afterwards. He said somebody bought the original already, but super clever and smart. Haya Health makes vitamins for children. They're not gummy candies. They're not full of sugar. And they have adequate amounts of the nutrients that children need. So if you're looking to give your kid a vitamin supplement, go with Haya Health. Go check them out. Go to HayaHealth.com. That's H-I-Y-A-Health.com forward slash mind pump. And on that link, you'll get 50% off your first order. All right, back to the show. Our first caller is Michelle from California. Hey Michelle, how can we help you? Hey guys, thank you so much for taking my question. And of course, thank you for all the content you put out there. Yeah, I'm calling today because mainly my question is about strength. So I've been an athlete my whole life. I played about five sports in high school. I played college ball for a little bit, or softball, and I've strength trained for a very long time. But I find that I can't, by all spot, very heavy. Like I'll see other girls at the gym who can put on a lot more weight. I did used to compete. So I did bodybuilding in which we stopped squatting and conventional dead lifting for fear of like building the black back, thickening the back, which is a common belief in the bodybuilding space. So I recently quit just earlier this year. And so I really wanna get into strength training, but I get really frustrated, especially with the squat that I don't feel like I can lift that much. But the interesting thing is I can lunge with a barbell, my body weight without really any problems. But when I put the barbell with my body weight for a squat, I have more trouble. Do you think that, like how, if you were to say like consistently, how long have you been squatting for? And the reason why I'm asking this is, and you've probably heard us talk about how much squatting is a skill, right? So like I, I squatted for, I don't know, 10, 15 years of my life, the first five to eight of it really inconsistently. It was always really bad at it. I don't think I really started to get good at squatting until like, let's say the last six or seven years. And a lot of that is just my mobility. So I didn't have a really good range of motion. I didn't have good squat mechanics and it is a skill. And so if it's something that you haven't practiced consistently for an extended, you'd be surprised how many people struggle with getting really strong in it, just because it's just an unfamiliar movement compared to other things, like let's say, lunging, like maybe you've been doing your whole life and you're very comfortable, very confident in. And so would you say you squat as much as you've lunged your entire lifting career? Probably not, because I competed for three years and didn't squat. I mean, I did like tack squats and like presses, but I didn't do like barbell squats, but I still did reverse lunges. I still did Bulgarian splits. So that makes sense. Plus I feel like my early career, like when I was in like high school and college ball, when I did squat, I was squatting like, I've looked back at videos and I was barely reaching like 90 degrees. So I wasn't really going probably in that full range of motion till I started listening to you guys. Oh, you're speaking very similar to what was going on with me. That was me. Like I didn't squat that often, even when I did. I didn't have really great range of motion. And I'm actually looking at your barbell squat. You said you can do 125 for three and 135 pounds, at least for one. That's not bad. That's not bad at all. Yeah, you said you could lunge your body. How much do you weigh? I weigh about 135. So you can lunge with 135? Yeah, that's really good. What's the problem? Like what's the issue? Why are you concerned with this particular number so much? First off, we know you, I've met you before. I think you're a coach, right? Okay, so you're very fit. Obviously you know what you're doing with exercise. You've got great lifts across the board. So my question is why is this an issue for you? You mentioned comparing yourself to other people. Like what's going on? I think just, I'm facing the challenges that come post-competition. I was competing for three years. My goal was always to be an IP pro, but that took a big hit to my physical and mental health, which is why I took a step off. And so I think I always had that to like grind and chase. And so now that I'm not competing, I need something to like strive for, you know? And I feel like the big lifts, trying to strive for, you know, with those numbers I can't think about on my head, but it's like one, is it one and a half for squat or one and a quarter? Like I want to try to reach that. I want to reach one and a half for dead lifts. And that's, I want to try to get close to my body weight, but that's the challenge. Yeah, you're, so two things. One, you know, I see what the challenge is. Training specifically for strength for those things is different than bodybuilding training. This would be more like a powerlifting type routine. So I would say if that's what you want to do because you're kind of interested in getting stronger in those lifts, train like a powerlifter and you will get stronger at those lifts. But the other thing I want to say is you're doing amazing. I mean, in your question, when you wrote to us, it says I look strong, but I feel weak AF, weak as fuck. So when I hear something like that, I know that there's a bit of a challenge with the connection to your performance. Sometimes it has to do with connection to how you look. And you might be training one challenge for another in the sense that, you know, competing on stage, it's about body image. So you're like, okay, now I'm not doing that. Let me take this and move it in another, maybe not so great direction, maybe a little better. But I mean, look, the answer for the specific question is actually easy, which is train like a powerlifter. Stop training like a bodybuilder and you will. Practice the squat more, right? Yeah, you will get more frequency over everything else. Do you have mass powerlift? I do not. Oh dude, follow that. You're gonna get your, those numbers are gonna go up through the roof. Yeah, and I don't think this is a bad shift. You know, you just have to recognize how big of a shift that is. And I think people don't realize how different, you know, those types of workouts are and your pursuits of shaping and sculpting and molding your body versus now just focusing on strength and overall performance of that strength. And so this just, it's a totally different shift of mindset, it's a different way that you're gonna, you know, go into each lift and approach it. So to be able to really get into the nuance of all of the technique, especially with these big lifts, you know, the squat in itself, there's gonna present itself like certain challenges, whether it's like ankle mobility or whether it's hips or, you know, just being able to brace even more effectively or get in that, you know, good position. So, you know, work your way through all of that and then powerlifting will help you kind of highlight how to really like pragmatically go through and add all that frequency and practice that you're gonna need. There's no problem with the strength that you have when I look at, you listed your numbers and they're really good, Michelle, like they're really, really good, you're strong, you're fit. But if you're like, hey, I just wanna pursue this goal, I think it's gonna be kind of fun, just try like a powerlifter. It's a very different mentality. So you're not getting a pump, you're not getting a burn, it's not about the muscles that you're working, it's more about the movement and the technique and the leverage. It's a very, very big shift in mentality. But once you get there, it gets real fun. It gets really, really fun because it's different and it's different from what you've been doing. So I think it would be great for you to follow a powerlifting routine and don't be surprised if your squat goes from 125 to like 185 or 195. I mean, you're gonna see some big gains in some of those lifts if you train specifically to lift more weight and not to like get a pump and burn and all that other stuff. Yeah, I think that's the thing too is I've trained so much of my life in that eight to 12 rep range and even higher in that rep range for bodybuilding close to competition. So I haven't really spent that much time in that low rep range. I'm doing maps performance phase one right now and I like that it has the mobility because I think that is important for being able to get that full range of motion. For powerlift, does it have a mobility component or would I pair that with Prime or Prime Pro? It does have some primers in there. But I would take what you were liking from, this is what we always, and you know this, you've been listening to us for a long time, is I would take what you're finding in performance, the mobility sessions that you're getting a lot of benefit from and I would put that in powerlift specifically to you. Ritualize it. Yeah, make that just like if you, if there's a couple moves that you're doing and you're like, oh wow, every time I do that, I feel I'm getting better range in my squad. I just feel better the way I'm moving. Like, I mean, don't ever stop that. That's the idea is that we take people through that program and they make that connection of, oh wow, when I make time for this mobility work, it makes a big difference on my lifts. Keep that in there. Here's the other, here's the other side too. If you're maintaining too lean of a body fat percentage or you're not eating in a surplus, it's gonna be really hard to get strong. Coming from your background, I'm gonna assume that that's probably a challenge for you, that you probably have a challenge allowing your body fat to creep up a little bit or eating in a surplus, but that's gonna be key to this as well. I mean, you'll get stronger by training like a powerlifter just because your technique and skill will get better at the lifts, but you're not gonna see big numbers unless you increase the calories and go in a surplus. So you gotta do that as well. Yeah, makes sense. Yeah, well, cool. This will be easy, Michelle, I promise you. Follow MAPS PowerLift, eat in a surplus. After MAPS PowerLift, let us know where you're at. I think you'll be, your body's gonna benefit a lot. Surprised, yeah, how strong you are. Okay, cool, yeah, I'll update you guys on the form. Awesome, sweet. All right, Michelle. Thank you so much for calling in. Thank you. Thank you, bye. It's just a different mentality. I mean, when you train, when you're used to the pump and the burn, going in and doing a set of two or three, resting for three to four minutes, it almost feels like you're not working out. I've heard people say that. It almost like you get insecure because it's so different. You know, they're like, am I doing this wrong? Yeah. And I just feel like there's a little bit of that and like her numbers aren't bad, but it's just like one of those things where if that stands out to you, you just hyper-focus on that, you can't help it, you know? Yeah, I mean, this whole question was mental, right? I mean, her thinking that she's weak as fuck is off, first of all. I mean, when I looked at her numbers, I didn't look at her numbers until we were talking from it and I see Doug scroll down. I'm like, oh, shit, like she's not weak. No, she's doing great. She's far from weak and she's already admitted, she took more than three years off of squatting completely during competing world before that. Have you guys ever taken like a good two years or so? Like one of those major lifts? Yeah. I did with Bench and it was drastic how, you know, much I had to work to get it back. Yeah, especially squatting. I mean, squatting is a major, major skill. I mean, and she's been with us for a long time. I didn't can make the connection until you said something, so I remember meeting her at one of the first live events, like the Viori event. She's been to a couple of them. Yeah, so she's been around for a long time. And I posted a clip or a picture, I don't remember, of my squat beginning at like bodybuilding time. And it was like, you remember that? Like a big old wide stance. I can't break 90 degrees. I couldn't load the bar more than like 225, 275 on there. Like huge difference. And I just didn't squat frequently and I didn't have the mobility and the focus on the mobility and the increase in frequency on practicing that movement. You know, it took some time, man. It took some time before I really saw those numbers jump up. But someone coming from her background, one of the things that she's gonna love is if you've never really got good at it. I mean, the things that I love from it now, the leg and glute development with very little leg training I have to do today to have better developed legs than what I did as a bodybuilder, you know, leg pressing and hack squatting and leg extensions all day long. Like, so once you get good at this movement, the benefits from it are incredible. Yeah, I would expect, I wouldn't be surprised if she got 30 to 50 pounds on her squat. Well, especially if she takes the nutrition advice that you said. Yep, sure. Our next caller is Darren from Toronto. Darren, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hi guys, how are you today? It's a pleasure talking to you guys. It's cool watching your podcast for a good while now and actually really excited to be on here. So thank you very much. Thank you. You're awesome, man. So my question for you guys is, for me is like working out, become an obsession for me. So usually I work out four to five days a week, but prior to that, to give you guys a little background story, I kind of use like workout as more like a therapy for me. So in the past, you know, as a very young teenager, I was molested by a family friend. And from there, I've had as well cancer running with my family, with my mom, with my grandfather, with my dad who I recently just passed. And going from that, I've always used to work out as, or working out as my way of therapy. In that time of when I work out, I've had a steel plate put in my ankle. I've had my knee fixed with the torn meniscus. As well, I had a hernia fixed because I think I take working out a little bit way too much. And it becomes, like I said, like a therapy for me. So I just wanted to know if, in your opinion, do you think I'm doing too much using that as a therapy to deal with everything? And can working out, can I slow it down on my part? Let's first celebrate the decision that you made first. I think that somebody who's been through what you've been through and continued to go through a lot of shit, and you chose to exercise and improve yourself as your outlet instead of abusing yourself or drugs or hurting somebody else, I think that's a huge fucking win. So that's first and foremost. So I think having some empathy for yourself, even if you have used exercises and outlet like that. And I think you're already in moving in the right direction because you have this self-awareness that you're kind of using it that way. So I think that that's important to recognize that because you tell somebody like you, like, oh yeah, you're definitely abusing exercise. And you're like, fuck, well, then what do I do? You know what I'm saying? Because all these things that you just mentioned before you said that, these are areas in your life that you're probably gonna be working on for quite some time. And I can completely, I can't relate to everything that you said, but I can relate to some of the stuff that you said. And this will be something that you'll continually have to work on. And I think that exercise can be a vehicle to help that. It also could be something that you abuse. And I guess the thing that I would say to start with is when you find yourself in these moments when you're running away from those things, like, because you don't wanna feel it or you don't wanna think about it and you're going to the gym, is to maybe that's a time that you reach out either to somebody who you trust that you can talk to or you maybe invest in a therapy where you can talk about what you're going through while you're using this exercise. And that will start to help. I don't think that, I don't think this is gonna be an overnight thing that you just switch off. Yeah, exercise and fitness are extremely powerful tools. It's a double-edged sword. It can be massively beneficial as a therapeutic tool. It can also be abused like any drug. Okay, so you have to ask yourself, which one are you or how are you using it? Do you find the therapeutic effect when you go to the gym and beat the crap out of yourself where you can barely move and you survive the workout, you're crawling out, you go home, you gotta lay down on the couch. If that's where you're getting the therapeutic benefit, then you may just be enjoying the self-punishment aspect of the workout. So not unlike other ways people hurt themselves where maybe they do things to themselves because they need to feel, let's say they're numb, so they do things to themselves so they can feel something. So you'll see kids will cut themselves as an example of that. Or it could be self-punishment because I deserve to be in pain and hurt myself. It could to be a distraction. When I'm working out so hard that I can't breathe and I can't think about all that scary stuff, then it gives me a break. I feel good because I can't think of all that negative shift. Those are all unhealthy relationships of exercise and the result of which is injury over training. And then what'll happen, Darren, if you do that is you'll lose exercise as a tool because at some point you won't be able to anymore. So now let's talk about exercise as a therapy. Exercise as a therapy doesn't distract. It brings things to the surface. It doesn't punish it cares for. It doesn't hurt you so that you feel it improves your ability to feel everything else. That's the therapeutic effects of exercise if used properly. You know, in your question you ask if you could work out every day. You can. You just have to modify the intensity and approach the exercise session as a way to take care of yourself. That's it. How can I take care of myself? Sometimes you have to separate yourself from the situation. Darren, who in your life do you care the most about? Do you have children? Do you have a wife or a family member or a friend? I have my fiancee which I really do care a lot about. Recently it was my father. So my father was the one that introduced me into weightlifting. He pretty much didn't know anything about it but during this time when I was as a young kid and trying to figure out like after everything that happened with me, he's the one that introduced me. You know, let's just try going to a gym. So he brought, he came to me with a gym. He had no training experience whatsoever but he brought me there and he was making me lift weights. He was doing things with me that I was like, okay, I'm asking, do you even know what you're trying to do? And, you know, it started from there. That was the first step and he encouraged me to keep going with that. And you know, even when he was sick, he was always asking, you know, like make sure you still have those big arms. Make sure you have that big chest, you know, just make sure you continue being strong. So he was that one person that I, you know, like that role model that I really cared for and he pushed me. Like he was like that Mickey to that, my Rocky. So it was, yeah, it would have been him, if yes, if he was still around. But as of right now, it would, like the people I care for that, I know that pushed me in that direction, my mom, my brothers, and of course my fiance that have that support. And you know, it's when I, when I work out and you know, when I do push myself, it's more to the point where after I'm done, I feel like I am lifted. I am, I feel like I am more powerful than I was before I started the workout. I have a lot of ideas that go through my mind during those workouts that are more positive. But, and it's one of those things where I don't want it where if I keep doing stuff, even though I know you just said, how you do your workouts where you don't have to go with the full intensity, but just doing something and that is more than nothing. And I think that's where I was getting more confused is if I keep doing something, even if it's a little or not, does that become too much? No, I mean, if you monitor the intensity, you can exercise every single day. The intensity is appropriate. You know, the reason why I ask you that question is sometimes when you go to the gym, say, okay, how would I train my fiance if she were me right now? And then you might make better decisions because it's easier for us to care for other people than it is to care for ourselves. That's why I asked you that. So, but yeah, you can work out every day if you monitor the intensity appropriately. You know, you mentioned feeling powerful. You also want to be careful with that, in the sense that if you, if your fear is feeling weak, then you're eventually gonna go down a dark path with exercise because at some point you get older or you get injured or you get sick and then you lose your identity. Who am I? You know, I'm not as strong as I was before. You know, what does this mean for me? So the feeling powerful maybe make that less about how strong you are and more about the fact that you show up and that you're resilient. That's real power, the empowerment aspect of it. So it's like, oh, I got this, you know, I got this injury and I can't lift like I used to but I'm doing something. That's empowering, that's powerful. Versus I can't bench as much as I did before and then you start to kind of push it too hard or freak out because what does that mean? Now you're young and you might not encounter this yet but at some point you will and that'll be, you know, a bit of a challenge. But like I said, you can do this every single day. You just have to modify the intensity of the workouts in which case every day is perfectly fine. Do you, Darren, do you have a mass performance? I do not and I was, I've been looking at different programs and always kind of conflicted on which one to get, which would help me, but no, mass performance I do not have. I want Doug to send you mass performance and the reason why you seem like somebody who probably strength trains and you like to lift heavy and do so that it's a different type of training. You're more focused on the movements. It has mobility days that are in there. And so what I'm hoping that you get from mass performance is the mobility routines, the unconventional lifts that are in there and that when you're in these days where you know your body's kind of beat up a little bit and you're asking yourself the question that Sal said, how would I train my fiance right now? And you go, oh, today's probably a day I wouldn't hammer squats and deadlifts. Today's probably a day I should do that mobility routine. You'll pull from this program. And so that's an example of like how, because I loved it, especially during competing days, I trained seven days a week. I was in the gym because I loved the routine. I loved the consistency of at that time in my life I was able to do this from between noon and two. Noon and two, I'm in the gym. You could guarantee I was in the gym at noon. Now what I was doing completely depended on my rest, my recovery, my diet, what was going on, how I felt, my sleep. And so you just got to learn to do that and be honest with yourself. When you're having those days, when you're a little beat up or you've been pushing a little hard. Hey, you know what? I'm gonna do some mobility work today or I'm gonna get on the treadmill and walk for an hour. That's still, you're still training, bro. You're still moving the needle in the right direction. In fact, you're moving it better than you would be if you were to go hammer yourself. So just learning how to train differently when you know your body's talking to you. I especially like that advice because I know the propensity is, you're familiar with some of these bigger lifts and you're able to really load these lifts. And it's a really hard thing to just tell you, hey, taper off the intensity a bit. Especially if you're having thoughts and you're having sort of momentum in that direction of like, I'm just gonna get after it because you're feeling things. To be able to shift that over into something that's a little more technical, something that you're not really able to load a lot of weight, but it's very difficult. Benefits your body a lot. You're sort of like filling needs that your body has in terms of moving in other directions and strengthening other parts of your body. I think it's a good way to refocus that. So the intensity you can kind of manage and mitigate a little bit more. Okay, perfect. No, I truly appreciate that. Thank you very much. You got it, man. Yeah, you do. We appreciate you calling in. Thank you. And one last thing I do want to say, I don't know if it said a lot to you guys, but me knowing that, like I watch you guys podcast all the time and I know all three of your fathers and the stories that you guys share about your kids and everything. With having my father reminds me a lot of view three, like the stories that you guys share and everything. So as a son, I just hope like when your children grow up, they truly appreciate and love the support that you've given them because you guys are fantastic and I'm sure that they will. But just please keep being who you guys are because it's actually really inspiring. And I really, really love listening to you guys talk every day on different stories, topics because it's a good reminder of how there are a lot of good people out there and you guys show that every single day. So thank you very much. Wow, thank you. Thank you, Darren. I appreciate that. Hope you guys have a good day. You too, man. Appreciate that, brother. I need you to hear that today. Really? Yeah, I just feel like, you know, sometimes when we do stuff, we did that fucking post the other day with the video games thing and just so many people get triggered and then all of a sudden you go, man, do everybody who listens to us like hate us? Yeah. It's so easy to get shifted in that mindset when you get that and you forget like there's a lot of people that, I think, understand the position or the message that we give or where we're trying to come from, you know, it's really easy to get caught up in all the negative stuff that gets said sometimes. Like, man, I really hope that people don't take that message that way. Well, what highlights to me is that there's not a lot of dads talking about being dads, you know? All of a sudden we're like, you guys are great examples. Like, we just talk about regular stuff. Working through it, you know? It's crazy. But yeah, this double-edged sword thing with exercise is interesting. It could feel therapeutic to abuse yourself for a while. I mean, this is how people use alcohol and drugs. It's really no different. So it's a challenge for some people to figure that out. It's really hard because it's something that's good for you. That's why this is such... Potentially, right? Yeah, that's why this is such a challenge. You know, and for the audience that's listening that has probably heard us talk about this before, why I'm glad we get a caller like this to talk about this is because, believe it or not, he's more common than you would think. Now, maybe his story is more extreme than what a lot of people have gone through. But a lot of people do that. They move into exercise because of an insecurity, because they don't want to think about something else, and they start to... And because it shows these positive benefits, right? They get stronger, they look better, people start complimenting them, and so then they start to begin to go, oh, this is... This can't go wrong. Yeah. There's no way I could do this. More is always better. Right, and so, and believe it or not, there's a lot of people in our space that we prop up as great people to aspire to be like, and a lot of people have no idea that a lot of those people are struggling with this type of stuff. Totally. They've pushed it so far that they've now have this physique that looks so amazing that they get admired for on social media. And so when you hear us talk about intensity and you hear us talk about balance, and there's probably young guys that probably scoff at the stuff that we talk about, but we're coming from a place of train hundreds of people like this. I've trained a lot of people that are later in their life that are still battling these things like that, and exercise can be an incredible tool, but like any tool, it could also hurt you. Our next caller is Tracy from California. Hi, Tracy. How can we help you? Good morning. I'm so excited to talk to the three of you. I don't know if you guys saw my precinct that I fell two years ago and I annihilated my ankle and broke my leg. And so I had four plates and like dozens of screws put into my ankle and my leg and I had that removed last year. So for two years, I've had lack of mobility and lost a lot of muscle on the left-hand side of my body, mainly my leg, and I have a goal to get back into backpacking and hiking. So I need to carry 30 to 40 pounds and hike seven to 10 miles, but I have a lot of imbalance. And so I'm curious how do I build that left leg up without neglecting the right leg who is super strong and doing all the work? And how often do I, you know, do the left leg? Do I go every day? Like, I'm lost at what to do at this point. We got the perfect program for you. Yeah, yeah, that's almost what we figured that out, yeah. Map symmetry is perfect for you. It's a mostly unilateral meaning one arm, one leg at a time workout program. I want you to start with the leg that was previously injured, meaning when you start the workout or the exercise, do the injured leg or the previously injured leg first and use that leg to dictate what to do with the right leg. So if you can only do five reps, with the right leg, even if you feel like you could do more and you'll start to get them to catch up. Lots of unilateral training is going to start. How strong is it right now? Like are you pretty much fully recovered? You just need to like bring more focus there into the leg to kind of strengthen it up. Yes, I'm fully recovered. I have a hard time standing on the left leg by itself. I don't have a lot of range of motion going down. Up is good, but down in my ankle, I can't do very well. If I do like a leg press or the leg press machine, I got by the left leg by itself, I can do maybe 15 to 20 pounds pushing by itself. Whereas my right leg can do like 60 to 80 pounds by itself. So you can articulate your ankle pretty well now in terms of all ranges of motion? No, no, I may not get that back. Okay, so I'm gonna, so here's two things. I'm gonna send you Maps Prime Pro also. So there's, so in Maps Prime Pro, we have some stuff for the ankle and foot. So I want you to take that out of there and it become like a daily routine for you. So, and what's great about Maps Prime Pro, this is more for corrective work for somebody who's had an injury or has chronic pain. So this is not something that is like programmed like our other programs where it's like, oh, only do it this much. It's like do it as much as you can. So the exercises that are in there for your foot and ankle, I want you to practice those and do those anytime you're in your house, living room floor, in your bedroom, do it before you go to your workout, just try and incorporate into your life as much as possible. Sal's point that he's talking about with symmetry. So when, and we, by the way, we wrote this program thinking of a client like you because believe it or not, even though maybe your injury is uncommon, people being in balance like this because of an injury is very common and we would get this all the time. The hardest part is the mental part is that you're gonna do these exercises where you start on the weaker side. And like you said about the leg press, you'll be dramatically different and you're gonna feel like you're almost doing nothing on the strong side, but you are. You're still moving that leg through range of motion. It's still being stimulated. So it's not gonna lose any muscle. It's gonna maintain what's at and we're gonna allow the other one to catch up. So don't get in your head where you're like, oh my God, I can do so much. This is so light for that leg. That's right. Do the work, mirror the side that is weaker and it'll come up, it'll bring up, it'll come up in between that and doing the ankle stuff that Justin was working towards alluding until I cut him off. That is where you wanna put most of your energy and focus. Yeah, and really to be simple, like once we figure that out in terms of like some of those mobility moves for your ankle and for your feet and really kind of focusing, hyper-focusing on strengthening and regaining back some of that dexterity, that's something you're gonna repeat every single day. So this is something that it's not, you can't overdo it in terms of like repatterning and being able to regain function and strength. That's what's gonna move the needle the most in terms of when you feel like your body is strong and able again. So it's really gonna root down to that, how far we can get with that in terms of your stability there around your ankle and supporting it in order to then go into our unilateral training. So doing the unilateral training you can do in conjunction, but again, really hyper-focus on building that ritual of one to two times a day of like five, 10 minutes of work on your feet, your ankle and all these mobility moves. How often are you hiking now? Are you at all? Just on the weekends, if I can get into it, luckily for me, the gym is a 10 minute walk. So I can just walk down to the gym and do all that exercising and there's tons of hiking around here. I have not backpacked yet. I can hike seven miles wearing a day pack and my ankle, I stop halfway, take off my shoes, roll my calf, blah, blah, massage. And I can do seven to 10 maybe top, but I'm limping at the end. Okay, let's talk about that for a second, okay? So the reason why that calf seizes up like that is back to the point that Justin's making. So because you have limited range of motion in the ankle and your feet are weak, the calf ends up taking over the work. So as you're walking, what's happening subconsciously is that calf is just having to work so much that it starts to knot up and lock up and then you feel that it's rolling. So this is why strengthening the ankle and the foot becomes a huge priority for us. I'm gonna do one more. I know I'm giving you all this free stuff, but I wanna address this like and how we would really take care of you as a client if you were with us. I wanna put you in the forum also, our private forum where we can check up on your progress because here's how I would even customize like our programming is like, anytime I did like an exercise, like say like a lunge with you, I would make you balance on that weak ankle. So envision yourself doing like a standard lunge, but then I'd make you bring the other leg up and I would make you stabilize for like five seconds before we did the next rep. And then you'd lunge back up and then balance and stabilize all really trying to strengthen that ankle and that foot. I'd also encourage you to walk around your house barefoot and try. I do that now. Okay, good, good. To be doing a lot of barefoot type of movements and anytime you can get a barefoot exercise in at home do that stuff. So we wanna get that foot, the weak side where the injury was. We wanna get that foot strong. We wanna get that range of motion in the ankle. So even things that sound stupid like sitting at home, you know, and just moving your ankle. Yeah, and challenging that. To articulate each toe individually. It's like, that's our goal. Our goal is to get to a place where it's gonna be difficult to see the discrepancy between left and right with your ankle mobility. And that is what's really gonna help. And that's the reason why when you do these long walks or long things that you feel it on the calf it's cause the ankle and foot just they're not strong enough yet. I want you to just follow map symmetry. Skip the last phase. So don't do the last phase. Go through it twice before going through it a third time and then you can add the last phase. So two times through just the first few phases skip the last phase. One time, two times. And then the third time, you can add the last phase. Do the prime pro ankle and foot mobility movements. Pick a couple of them that you do throughout the day and you'll be totally set. And as far as hiking is concerned, Tracy, don't hike until you limp. Okay, here's why. If you hike until you limp you're gonna continue to strengthen the imbalance. You're gonna continue to encourage the imbalance between the two sides. Cause by the time you're limping your other leg has already been doing a lot of work. Yeah, you're overcompensating this. So rather than seven miles of hiking. You agree? Yeah, that's it. Do not go well within your limits because once you go beyond that then the compensation happens and then you're gonna continue to maintain that imbalance. There's stuff in prime pro and what you're gonna see it's very important. The hardest thing to teach somebody who's got an issue like you is you're gonna go to a stretch or an exercise you're gonna see in there. And you're gonna notice that your ankle can only go so far and then but this is not like a relaxing. It should be kind of intense. So you're gonna take it to its end range of motion and then mentally you're trying to, you're straining to move it further. And what we're doing there is we're forcing the brain to fire more neurons in that area to get you to gain more access to more range of motion. If you just take it to where it's like, oh, that's as far as I can go and you're like relaxed and comfortable then you come out. We're not forcing the body to try and gain more. So it should feel kind of intense. And I think we did a good job of having Dr. Brink take us through the movements and you can hear us kind of straining through the exercises. You're searching for that. I want you to challenge yourself and each time you're trying to challenge a little bit more range of motion and it's very incremental. It takes a lot of practice and a lot of time before you start to see a difference but it will happen. Excellent. What happens now is I will do exercises at the gym. I started doing dumbbell squats, et cetera. And I am not super sore the next day or at the end of the day. And I don't know if it's, the weight is heavy, for me it's heavy. But I think my ankle gives out more than anything else and my body can't push it farther. Tracy, soreness is a terrible indicator of workout effectiveness. So not getting sore is better than getting really sore. Good to know. And if you're lifting weights consistently, you're doing all this work we're talking about. You're keeping your nutrition in check. You will see a body composition change. You'll be happy with your results. But my focus with you is the foot and ankle. We gotta get that. So everything else will follow after that. If I'm not yet off, yeah. Excellent, well thank you. We're gonna put you in the form too, Tracy. So keep us up to date. I'd love to see how your progress is over the next 30, 60 days. And by the way, we have people like Dr. Brink inside that forum who helped us write Maps Prime Pro. So we've got movement specialists in there in addition to our knowledge to help support you. No, this is super exciting. I don't wanna be a Olympia old lady, right? I don't wanna. We don't want you to be either. So we got you. Well thank you so, so much. All right, Tracy. Thank you. Okay, bye. I've worked with that. I had a client like that who had a shattered the raincoat and when they reconstructed it, they did have limited mobility. So we couldn't really do bilateral squats or at least not to like a normal depth. We just couldn't because the ankle was limited by the actual hardware they put in there. So it was all unilateral stuff. It was all, and you know what? By the end of the, I mean, I had trained this person for a couple of years, they made such significant progress you could almost not tell that there was a difference. You bring up a good point, Sal, that it's okay if you never bilateral squat. I mean, there's shit, there's people that. This is a real reason why you could. Like Mike Boyles and people like that that advocate for all unilateral work. So you can build an incredible physique, very strong by training unilateral forever for that reason. So, but I definitely think you want to work towards trying to get to that place, but it's okay if you don't. If you do bulk area and split squats for the rest of your life instead of. You're gonna work with your body which your limitations are and just try to improve. So yeah, she just keeps on that path. She's gonna be just fine.