 How do you feel that we take animals right away to eat them? Okay, so here we are in London, we've got a massive march behind me. The Pride March. We're going to go interview some people about equality. Let's go. So you've been participating in the march today? Yep, yes we have, yeah. It's great. You love the march. Yeah, it's really good. It's beautiful. The appreciation for different cultures and things is just lovely. So what does today symbolise for you guys? Just acceptance, really. And the fact that I'm bisexual kind of just helps me feel more comfortable with my own self. It's just nice. It's a really peaceful environment. It is, it is. You can be yourself and you don't have to worry about being oppressed or judged. What does today mean to you guys? Like what does a march like this sort of embody? What does it symbolise to you? It kind of allows everybody to embrace their inner self. Because I've seen about 17 different people today. Like kind of, I've had moments of day where I just see like a random man walking down the street wearing whatever he wanted. Like today nobody cares. Like every other time of the year you just see somebody just looking at him like thinking what the hell's wrong with him. Or like today is just one of those days where you just like, it's one of those events where you could just go and have fun not for any specific reason. You could just come and just be, You can be yourself without feeling judged or being victimised for who you are. Sorry, excuse me, my fanny pack. You got one too. I like yours, yours is better. So what does today embody for you? Well, I love human rights, so that's why I'm here. Human rights, equality, yeah. Yeah, everything, yeah. Amazing, so how do you feel that it's got to this point where there's so many people here and so much acceptance and... I think it's amazing. Obviously, well, we're finished. So we feel like our trans laws are using now. So basically we've just won the equality for everyone. Don't be shy, come on, it's all about positivity. Don't be, I'm straight too. This is a safe space. So I just want to ask you guys, what does today embody for you? What does it symbolise? A march like this? I guess it's kind of uniqueness and being able to show who you are. A lot of people saying, oh, it's about you can kiss anyone. So I feel like, well, no, it's just about being you. Without being fear of being judged or... I think a lot of the time, like, gay and trans people, they're politicised where we actually, we just want to exist. So the world is being more progressive, but what would be the protest about? Like, what would it be about? There's still some people who don't extend equality to human beings. I think hate crime towards trans and non-minor people has doubled or tripled recently, which is really worrying. Even within the LGBTQ community. Even within the community, there's divisions between people. There are the gays who are like, oh no, like, I don't know about gay or straight and I don't know about trans people. I think we've got to be more inclusive of the whole community. What does equality mean to you guys? It just means that every... well, like it is, like it states, it's just everyone's equal. Everyone gets treated the same, no matter what you are. Everyone has, like, equal rights to freedom and the right not to be oppressed or used as... Yeah, it's really nice. What does equality mean to you? Thousands of years of oppression and now we're here. It's amazing to see, I think. Wow. So equality is like anti-oppression. It's like the opposite of it being oppressed and having your bodily autonomy taken from you, sort of being judged and, say, discriminated against. So this sort of march embodies sort of equality, doesn't it? We've got to extend our compassion to encompass all human beings, but I'd also ask you, like, would we also extend that compassion to non-human animals as well? Yeah. Yeah. I'm vegan. I'm vegan, so... Yeah. Oh my God. So you believe in compassion and equality for all? Yeah, 100%. It's a beautiful thing. What does equality mean to you? Quality. Equality. Equality. What does it mean to you? I don't know. Does everybody got to be who they want to be? Yeah. No, double labels. You don't know fear of having your rights taken away or being discriminated against those things? Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. I'm going to throw something in here, in the mix. Okay? Would you extend that same equality to the animal kingdom as well? Ah, okay. Yes and no. How far do you extend that? And that's a non-human animals as well? Well, yeah, because everything should be equal. So even animals, like when animals are abused and things, it really like upsets me as a person. So I just... Yeah, I feel the exact same way. Because we extend these equal rights to human beings and it's starting to be progressive now, especially with the LGBT community being more accepted. But there's a lot of animals that still aren't sort of free from their chains. How do you feel about that? Not great. Like, I would like to do more, but obviously I'm just one person and there's so many people here. You have to have everyone kind of come together. Like this? Yeah, exactly. Do you agree with that? Yeah. Okay, so do you extend that equality? Would you extend it to just the animal kingdom as well or just to human beings? I'm just thinking that. Yeah, I do. You do? And how about you? Would you extend that equality to animals as well? Yeah. Because there's some things that are wrong with the world that we could change, but really it all can be done in time. In time? Yeah. I mean, obviously if we don't look at each other as equal, there's a lot of people who don't look at each other as equal. How are we supposed to extend that to animals if we haven't even got that far with each other yet? It's almost like the concept is like, oh, if you can't love yourself or you can't love others, how can you love anything? Yeah. If you can't love yourself, how can you love anything else? Do you guys eat animals by any chance? I'm not exactly a massive one. I've gone back and forth with being a vegetarian, but then it caged me like maybe chicken or like beans. And how about you? Occasionally. Yeah, occasionally. Do you eat animals or? No. No, you're a vegetarian. I wasn't expecting this to become a vegetarian. Yeah. So the same principles that this marching bodies, you would extend to non-human animals that are being oppressed and killed. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a very different issue. And you could talk about that entirely for hours, but yeah, I think definitely. It's generally the same principles. It's the same principles at heart, yes. Absolutely. Would you agree with that or? Definitely. I feel like I do eat fish a lot. So I am Japanese. And so it's kind of part of me. It's cultural for you. Yeah. But of course, there are different areas in which you can get things. And so having the kind of organic section where they are humanely killed or things like that, it's more important to think about those kind of things rather than, oh yeah, no, I just get from a massive factory where they're mass produced to be genetically modified to be killed. And so it's those kind of things where it's very different and how you look at human rights and animal rights and how they kind of see you. Yeah. Yes or no? Yeah. Give me the yes. Yes. And then tell me the no. I don't know. I have so many friends who is turning to go to weekends. On weekends? Yeah, weekends. And I'm very intrigued. Intrigued? Yeah, to learn more. To learn more? I'd be about... I obviously like to go to the gym. Protein taking is my kind of... Me too. Yeah. But I have friends who are bodybuilders who are vegans as well. Yeah. So I need to learn more I think. So what do you feel about the... How do you feel that we take animals rights away to eat them? I don't know. Do you feel like that's equality? Do you guys eat animals? But I've tried and I've got medical problems. So yeah, I kind of can't. So you have to eat animals for medical issues? How about yourself? I do eat me. I've tried to kind of... Sometimes I kind of try to go veggie and kind of see what it's like. Yeah. Yeah. Do you feel like that's consistent with your values of equality? Like because obviously animals have to have their life taken from them so we can eat them. If there was a way of living without consuming them or oppressing them or killing them, we should be consistent with our values in that respect? Yes. I think we should. But obviously there's certain issues with just the human species. Yeah. We kind of have to in a way, well not all the time, but certain people with medical issues and stuff, we kind of have to take it because we can't get the other nutrients or stuff that we need from just parts on their own. So you feel like it's a need so we don't really have a choice. We have to kill them for these nutrients? Not for everyone, but for certain things and people obviously, there is a balance. But I do agree with what you're trying to say. Yeah. How we should stop eating animals but obviously... Extend our compassion to include animals and pigs and gestation crates and chickens in factory farms and animals in slaughterhouses and they don't really get a say over their bodily autonomy. Yeah. Yeah. It's not really that great. You weren't expecting this to become a talk about animals? You're making the point it's all the quality at the end of the day. The point I'm trying to make is do you think if we extended that equality to animals as well that we'd be more likely to come to a more peaceful world if we sort of encompassed all sentient things? Yeah. Yeah? Do you agree with that? Yeah. We're like... What are your feelings? Really, this event can become so much more in the future. We care about equality. We should extend that as far as we basically can. Yeah? Would you agree with that? We couldn't ask for equality in one context and then deny that equality from say animals in factory farms or animals in slaughterhouses. Would you agree? Yeah. I'll ask you a couple of things. Do you think you can kill someone humanely and do you think animals have rights? The ones that we even treat nicely and then we take their life from them? I think you... Like how do you think... What do you think rights are? Like what do they mean to you? What does the right mean to you? The right to life? My friend's mother is a lawyer for men and women who have issues with their health and so they want to go and they want to kind of pass on. You think people should have the right to choose their bodily autonomy and if they're suffering they should have the right to end their own life? Your own life. Your own life. Your own choice to your own bodily autonomy sort of thing. Sort of freedom from subjugation. Yeah. I think especially with all the things going on about abortion at the moment in the US and I think it's just about... It's about a basic ability to have control of your body and have the ability to choose what you want to do with that. Yeah. And I guess when we make the choice to eat animals we're sort of making the choice for them in their life, aren't we? Even if let's just say they're this humane factory that kills animals humanely or whatever we're still making the choice to end their life or our consumption. Do you feel like that's fair? I feel like it's very difficult to not captivise animals because even in sanctuaries and areas they're all kept in a cage still. In sanctuaries where they're... Let's just make the distinction between guardianship and use and exploitation. So use and exploitation is obviously it's difficult to draw the line of where we have that circle of the use of animals and the killing of animals and things like that as well as the use of insects. So where do we draw the line between animals and insects? Yeah, because some people say some vegetables that are pollinated by bees aren't vegan. So we use bees to pollinate crops. Do you think that therefore justifies killing other animals if we have to do that for plant crops for our survival or for human health? I mean I think that some people's diets do... I'm a vegan, I'm all for veganism but I do think there is a level of understanding that we have to have with other people. Not everyone can be a vegan. It is a bit more expensive generally mainstream veganism. There might be products and stuff. Like the fucking chai seeds, sorry guys. But rice beans and sweat. All of that, like it's not... Chai seeds! But like rice beans, potatoes, corn, cheapest foods in the supermarket. So I don't know. Because I started to think about this and do you feel like the principles that we embody about equality and compassion and acceptance do you think it only makes sense that we extend that to animals as well. Non-human animals that suffer and you can feel that? Yeah I can feel that, yeah. It seems like if you had more information like more... Yeah, we need more education. More education. Yeah, because it seems like most people here animal lovers as well. I think everybody loves animals. Like dogs and cats and cows and pigs. Yeah, absolutely. I mean if you found like let's just press you on the nutrient thing. If you found you could get all your nutrients from a plant-based diet, would you think about moving towards that? I'd do it straight away. I'd do it straight away. 100%. Wow, well that's amazing. Can I ask you what that medical condition is? Yeah, it's hyperkalemic periodic paralysis. It's a muscle condition and I've got seven times the normal average of potassium in my body. Okay. So I have to find other ways to balance it out. Mitigate your potassium? Yeah. So you can't take in too much potassium? No, I can't eat bananas and just things with high potassium. So I have to balance it out and make sure that I get other nutrients and other chemicals into my body so I don't mess up and stuff. But if you found out you could get these nutrients, you'd be straight on board with animal equality and human equality. I mean, it's kind of a big jump to go from eating meat all the time to not eating meat all the time. So you have to kind of make that change progressively. What if I help you guys with the transition and you would need specific guidance on designing a plant-based diet to suit your condition? Yeah. Wow. So if I gave you some guidance, would you give it a go for like, say, 30 days? I don't give it a go. You would need proper doctor supervision with yours? Yeah, I would. You would give it a go? Yeah, I'd give it a go. Because it doesn't feel good for animals to be sort of excluded out of this circle of equality and compassion at such a loving day. When I found out that now a lot of eggs are made free range wise, I was a lot happier. But then if you ever, like the worst thing is, like when you see videos of like, especially like baby animals or anything, just being like disregarded, like baby chicks, male baby chicks. In the egg industry, yeah. You literally, they're just like giving the most inhumane like deaths in the world. So they're not treated like, they're treated like products, aren't they? Like animals in the food industry, they're treated like sort of resources without, we don't respect their right to life. So are people sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. They are. We're all, should be against that. And we should have laws protecting people. Do you think we should have laws protecting these animals from being turned into food as well? Absolutely. Some of these companies support the kind of thing that we're talking about. Yeah. Treating humans like tools, treating animals like tools. Yeah. And they come and support equality. I don't think they support equality. Yeah. Pressuring people into veganism is not the way to go. No, no, no. But questioning the reason why, yeah, that's why I'm, I don't mean to be like, putting you on any pressure at all. I want to question these, because I'm a vegan now for six years. And I never questioned using animals, exploiting them, eating them. They were just food to me. They were just products. I never viewed them like equals, or like even close to equal. We don't have to view them as exactly on par with human beings, but enough not to treat them as stock and chop them up and eat them. And I feel like such a beautiful pride march like this embodies some principles. And I feel like if we extend those principles out to animals, we can make a more peaceful world for all. Yeah. And that discrimination that separates us, we could bridge that gap between us and fish and other animals and people that are different, different races, different sexualities. Yeah. Yeah. You agree with it? Are we on the same page? 100%. It's like you wouldn't eat your own like pets. I don't. Yeah, you wouldn't eat those, so why should you eat pigs? Oh my God. Yeah. You just now, would you eat a dog to get these nutrients to balance out your potassium? No. Why not? Because there's just, everyone kind of sees those as pets. So I don't, I don't enjoy eating animals. Like I, I don't eat pork and I don't eat beef. I just kind of stick to chicken and, I know. Pigs and cows, you eat the pets only. Yeah. I only eat the chicken. But you wouldn't eat a dog to balance out your potassium, but you would eat a cow or you would eat chickens to balance out your potassium. I mean, I would prefer not to, but obviously it's kind of just. You're in a bit of a situation different to everyone. That's it. That's so interesting how we like, we wouldn't eat a dog for no reason. Yeah. But we'd find reasons to eat chickens. Yeah. I think that's the way we've been culturally sort of. Yeah. I was too, I've been vegan now for six years. Oh, wow. Yeah. So I stopped eating, I used to eat steak every night. I didn't even see animals. I just saw food. Yeah. So once we like, sort of break away from that sort of conditioning, we start to see animals as equal and we all start to live. Yeah. Do you think if we saw animals more equally, would then extend more equality and compassion to each other and it would create more peace generally? Yeah. I definitely think so. But at the same time, we've also got to think about like global issues and we see if we, and I don't want to be horrible, but if we do stop, there could be an overpopulation because there's already an overpopulation of humans on this planet. So if we continue with animals and stuff. If we don't kill any animals that would overpopulate the earth, you mean? No, I don't mean like that, but just, there will be certain people that have a set of mindsets. So like, those protestors up there, I'm pretty sure they have a set mindset of like, eating animals and there's obviously going to be other people as well. So it's going to be difficult. I guess we have to look at issues of oppression. We always look at from the victim's perspective, don't we? Yeah. Not the people who are killing and eating the animals. Yeah. It's from the animals' eyes. What would they want? So I think we should, do you think we should prioritise the views of the victim first? Yes. Yeah. Look in the case of the LGBT, we'd always prioritise the views of the victims, the human victims, whether they're children, women, homosexuals or animals. Yeah. Yeah, that's, yeah. I honestly think that we should prioritise the victims sort of side. You guys are really switched on and you're in a really good mood. And if I leave you some resources, you promise to check them out? Yeah. These are legends. Excellent. Well, here I've got a card for you. This is a vegan challenge. You can be supported and there's some information here about how animals are treated in the UK. Here it's Land of Hope and Glory. This is all UK. Oh, you've got to show what it is. Cowspiracy, what the health. Extend that equality to animals and treat everyone with compassion and help come together for a more peaceful world, brother. Thank you. If you ever want to try it, this is free on Facebook and they fully guide you, coach, totally free and try out of it. You can challenge some information. This is all UK footage. Shows you the humane farms there. They're not as humane as what they tell you. That's just all a marketing ploy to get you to buy the products sort of thing. But thank you so much. Have a great day. Thank you. Thank you. On Facebook, it's completely free and it's just a resource to help you transition. Okay, cool. That sounds really cool. We definitely check it out. Thanks for talking to me, guys. Take care. What about if I showed you some, okay, be a resource here? Yeah. And I get 150 grams of protein a day. I don't know how much protein you need. But if you found out you can get all the nutrition you need, would you leave animals off your plate and extend the equality to them as well? I'm not going to promise that. You're not going to promise? You think about it? Yeah, absolutely think about it. I would love to do a vegan challenge to see if I can go vegan for a month or so to see do I get anything and how my body feels. Lots of beans, lots of high protein food. That's the problem. I have beans that I need Sunday. Tempeh tofu. Yeah. Yeah. Seitan is a good one too. Yeah. It's made of wheat, wheat meat. Yeah. And they don't get slaughtered so it's good. Really good talking to you. Have a good day. You too. Enjoy the Pride March. Enjoy. Absolutely. Take care, brother. See ya. Having a party. Woo!