 All right. Hello everybody. I would I would now like to call the October 27th 2020 Longmont City Council regular session to order It is the last city council meeting before the end of the world next Tuesday. However, that may be All right, can we please start with a roll call? Mayor Bagley, are you present? I am present. Thank you and Thomas councilmember Christensen Here councilmember duggle faring Here councilmember Martin Present councilmember Peck here councilmember Rodriguez here councilmember waters here mayor, you have a quorum All right, great. Uh, Marsha. Do you want to lead us in the pledge? No, but here I go. I pledge allegiance of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God Indivisible liberty and justice for all all right all right Just a quick reminder to the public if you want to participate in tonight's First call public invited to be heard you need to call in when we throw up the slide to that toll-free number end of the meeting ID and then We'll call you pursuant to your last four digits of your phone number All right, let me have council back, please. All right, great Let's go ahead. Can I have an approval for the October 13th, 2020 regular session minutes? No, really not everyone's okay. I'll second it. All right all in favor say aye. Aye. Oh, sorry. I Time out time out councilmember. I don't go faring. I Was saying aye. Oh okay, I Thought there was debate and I just moved too fast. Was anybody in a All right, so The motion passes unanimously All right now it's time for a vendor agenda revision submission of documents and motions direct city manager to add agenda items to future Agendas I've got one item and that is this Friday at three o'clock. We were all so graciously agreed to attend the northern or apahoe Meeting between us sister cities and the northern or apahoe or apahoe elected leadership As of today Governor Polis stated that we can have no more than 10 So unfortunately that means me and mayor pro tem will be attending along with the four Business council representatives One member Janice Revin who's the sister cities chair and then Harold David Bell and Carmen Rodriguez which puts us at 10 if anybody else like to participate we will make video access available so we can You know put you on the screen and in that kind of stuff so Anybody want to yell at me for that councilmember christensen? Nope, you're on mute Polly Okay. Yes, I would like to be in the video Me too Cool, I know that they would love to see you again Polly and especially dr. Waters and everybody else who they've gotten to know So you want a video? I know dr. Waters was already been excused. He'll be out of town Councilman real I will fairing Will you be sending a link to all of us? So if we want to to join or do we have to let you know now that we would like to be in attendance? Just I assume Harold will send us a link. I'll work with him tomorrow, but I'll send the link my Asynchronous day so I don't have students at that time because they'll be working independently. So yeah, I'd like to be there be Of course, cool. All right. All right Harold that's all I have anybody else have anything else at this section of the program All right moving along city manager's report grid interactive efficiency buildings demonstration project Well, now I'm LPC David who's doing that? So Harold we have Tim Ellis doing that Tim. Can you come on the line? Hey, can everyone see me? Yes, excellent Okay, are we ready to begin? Susan you have my slides up Give me one minute don't I'm not seeing that one. Let me open up my My email real quick. Sorry folks Hey, Tim while she's doing that. Do you want to introduce yourself a little bit? Sure? My name is Tim Ellis. I'm the renewable energy strategy manager for the energy strategies and solutions group at LPC And I'm going to present tonight on a project that we're starting up called a grid interact grid interactive efficient buildings Demonstration project its long name But it's real exciting project that we're partnering with habitat for humanity on so I'm excited to tell you all about it And thanks for having me on tonight All right Let's say we're really excited to have Tim on the team. So he joins our Strategies team and Tim has been with us a little over nine months and has a great History of other projects with other organizations. So Tim you have the floor Thanks, Dave Yeah, I think we got through this one. We're ready for the next one So here's a slide you might have seen before at LPC We use this to indicate how a project supports all the various components of our integrated electric resource system and and how The components play into meeting our hundred percent renewable energy goal Next slide, please The main focus for this project is to that's good right there is to support and inform the beneficial electrification Undertaking and also innovative and emerging technologies and determine how they're going to play a role in meeting our renewable energy goal The projects can also help support other components such as the distributed energy resource component built environment and also the Next slide, please So presenting this this project tonight to counsel to secure input in and support and here's the agenda First I'm going to define what a grid interactive efficient building our gab is Then I'm going to talk about our partnership with habitat and give an overview of the project Then I'm going to cover the benefits of the project and the concept to LPC to habitat and the participating homeowners as well as the city and Finally, I'll wrap up with the next steps next slide, please So a grid interactive efficient building Are those that have an op and optimize blend of energy efficiency energy storage and renewable energy and load flexible technologies that help that are enabled through smart control So basically there are four components to the concept first We need buildings that minimize energy consumption. So that's the efficient component. They allow for two-way communication between the customer and the grid That's the connected piece They also contain sensors and controls that allow the customer or LPC to monitor and manage loads That's the smart piece and the flexible piece So aggregated together that these kinds of buildings connect as a very important distributed energy resource On our grid next slide, please So we're excited to partner with habitat for humanity on this project. They're constructing two housing projects in Loma Two homes are going to be at two homes that are going to be in the project are Marshall Place and the remaining eight homes Are going to be at Mountain Brook development that the Marshall Place Houses already built But the Mountain Brook development has not started construction yet and we're expecting or they're expecting to complete it in early 2021 All of the homes are all electric Habitat built the homes is all electric with the intent on saving costs and time and connecting with the gas company So they didn't have to do that and also by building these homes with minimal air leakage and efficient appliances Habitat believes that the homeowner will actually have lower energy costs and greater comfort So the project also aligns with habitats environmental values by helping the city reduce peak energy loads and align with renewable energy generation And it supports habitats goal of sustainable and transformative development and evaluating home energy consumption and using environmentally friendly grid interactive technology solutions Next slide, please There are several appliances that will be studied in this project. The first one on the upper left is called a mini-split It's a heating ventilation and air conditioning unit. That's going to be used at all ten homes Installed by by habitat. It's called a mini-split and it's really an efficient way of Performing HVAC in homes will be monitoring the energy consumption of the units to determine the ability of Perhaps having them included in in future demand response or other distributed energy resource programs And next we'll also provide that orange piece of device is called a home energy management system It's a sense home energy management system or HEMS It's going to enable us LPC and the homeowner to monitor monitor energy consumption in real time and from this information The homeowners can make determinations on ways to save energy and LPC and habitat can use the data Which will be in 15 minute increments or perhaps less to make determinations on on future installations and programs for homes The homes at Marshall Place the two homes that are already built are also going to have an innovative solar installation It's called pladeo and it's installed on the ground. You can see the picture here the third one in We'll be uploading and studying the energy generation from these two installations as well And finally the the primary appliance for this project analysis is the home's electric water heater The control device will be connected to the water heaters and it can be seen in that white circle That's that control device that we're going to be connected to and it's not only going to monitor the activity of the water heater But it's also we're also going to be able to run grid interactive tests on the water heaters and I'll discuss this further in an upcoming slide Next slide, please We're in the second part of this one our vendor is going to be providing us with an energy management platform that's going to uptake all of upload all of the data from these various devices it's called grid maestro and Our consultant is going to provide this platform and also ways that we can retrieve the consumption data from all the appliances The main function of the platform is that it's it's kind of like a machine learning program It's like a nest thermostat where it learns behaviors of homeowners and people in the home and how they eat and cool and use hot water And it learns as it goes so it's we can collect and analyze data But the the platform also gives us a four-day forecast of expect expected electric use from the hot water heaters And then the platform and they Configures different kinds of ways to test test the hot water heater and I'm going to talk about that as well the next slide next slide So overall the project provides data to run analytics and develop energy management strategies for all partners LPC can use these grid interactive types of devices for load shifting for load building for demand response for ancillary services or to respond to unexpected grid emergency events This include includes things like peak electric conduction Peak electric reduction that's shown in the graph in the right. The project also allows LPC staff to gain experience with grid interactive devices and platforms The data collected will help habitat assess energy efficiency measures that they installed in the home such as tight building envelopes and Efficient appliances and they can also use the data to compare the efficiency of these homes with other similar homes And as I mentioned in the previous slide The home onage only home energy management system can allow homeowners to view their own energy usage And it's gonna give them some information so they can practice energy savings behaviors Next slide please So the total funding required for this project is a little over sixteen thousand dollars And it's going to come from existing LPC allocated funding We'll provide habitat with five thousand dollars. So that's going to be five hundred dollars per home for each of the ten participating homes Our vendor for this project is named shifted energy And they are going to need eleven thousand dollars of funding to cover costs such as the controllers those home energy management systems and energy management platform licensing data integration to the platform and training on the platform to us as Well as some analysis and consulting fees Next slide So the project's going to provide benefits to the city to support in reaching our 2030 goal of a hundred percent renewable energy The generation of renewable energy and the consumption of energy at home doesn't always align So by putting programs like this into place that can manage home energy consumption to align with renewable energy energy production we can help meet our goals and Also peak peak energy is expensive These programs programs like this can allow us to reduce peak electric consumption that Neck and result in significant cost savings for the city and our residents and Finally the project is supporting other studies and plans currently underway in the city such as this the distributed energy resource study That's being performed by Platte River Power Authority and the owner cities including Walmart Also, we have an electrification plan underway to help us determine under opportunities and costs of beneficial electrification and Finally it supports our sustainability plan Which lays out the many ways that the city is working to reduce harmful emissions and and help our citizens participate in the in the healthy sustainable Next slide please The next steps for the project are habitat needs to construct those remaining eight homes I'm giving the presentation to you now. So that's a piece of it so they're gonna be Finishing those homes as I mentioned in early 2021 and during next year LPC is going to monitor the water heaters and mini splits whole home consumption as well as the solar production at these 10 homes We're going to run tests on the hot water heaters to determine the operation and functionality for for grid services And then we're going to analyze the data determined to determine the opportunities for a full-scale program in demand response Or other DER project to program We're also going to be exploring partnership with a national renewable energy laboratory down in golden to use the data from this study To develop further Programs and projects on water heaters or other grid interactive efficient building projects or programs And then we're going to be reporting back to city council on this project by mid next year upside That's it. Thank you Take any questions Council member Christensen Thank you, Tim Just for everybody else's information Tim presented this To the sustainability board this week, so I've seen it again before but it's it's still wonderful Um, and this is a really really terrific way to do this first of all partnering with habitat for humanity and and getting a small basis of To experimental residential things so we can study residential and have the proof of concept Um, I also wanted to say that LPC is also exploring other potential solar Projects for city-owned buildings. They're just doing an incredible job. I I love LPC Anyway, I wanted to ask you about Marshall place because I I know that that was approved about Three years ago. It hasn't that been built yet? Yes, the two homes The habitat homes at Marshall are fully constructed. I believe either people are in them now or very soon So yes, those are done. Okay, so so you can already start working on monitoring those and Right. Yeah, we're just wrapping up our agreements with our vendor and habitat. So that's all in place and it's pretty much ready to go We can't really start up the full demonstration project till we have all of the houses built because we need to analyze the data all at the same time To to have it really make sense. So so we're going to have to wait until those other homes are built But certainly the the devices will be in place and already Thanks again for all you're doing it. So terrific use of our resources, I think to to move us forward for better sustainability and getting the grid Getting people to understand the grid and how useful this is to moving us forward to Lessening how much energy we use Thank you Council member peck. I see four fingers Yeah Thank you. I'm here badly. Tim. This is excellent. I'm very excited that the city is uh taking such a proactive role in getting us to our To our vision But I was interested in and I think correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you called it a patio exactly It looked like solar panels on a patio That's right. It can be put anywhere on the ground This I that was just a picture from their website, but I believe and it hasn't been I don't know if it's been installed yet It was close when I last spoke with habitat a lot of week or two ago But yeah, I think they're putting it along a pathway or somewhere on the ground outside of the homes so, um Won't that be pretty slick in the winter or when it rains? All over the place. Um, I asked them if they were shovel ready They said it was fine Exactly. I am very interested in in how that works. It's a great idea So thanks for being such. So, um, just thank you Thank you All right, I'll be out of council. We want to thank you Well done. Appreciate it. Thanks very much. All right. Yep. Thank you for your time tonight. Thank you, Tim for your presentation Thanks. All right, Harold. Let's move on to the COVID-19 update Yeah, and I have Rachel art from the boulder county health She's going to join us. Um, Susan if you'll go ahead and get her Slides and um, we'll let Rachel take it away and then I'll jump in with her All right Thanks, Harold. Can everyone hear me? All right. Good evening and thanks, um, Harold and council for Having me back again to discuss everyone's favorite subject COVID-19. Um, tonight. I'm giving the october 27th Go to the next slide First I'm just going to go through the dial metrics. Um, which we're using to determine Which uh level of stay at home We're in as the county. Uh next slide, please Um sharing Unfortunately some some news that I was foreshadowing at the last council meeting Rates are continuing to increase Across the entire metro region and just actually from yesterday to today our Our case rate increased into the Safer at home level three Range so we're just over at 187.4 cases per 100,000 for a two-week cumulative incidence and We are monitoring that closely next slide, please Um, our positivity rate has increased about 0.7 over the last week Um from around three percent three and a half percent up to just over four so that That positivity rate is still good putting us in the green and then next slide, please Um, just wanted to share some good news that our our hospitalizations, um in Boulder County have been steady over the last 11 days Although we are seeing increases in hospitalizations Across the entire region So we would expect to see um our numbers increasing soon in boulder county next slide I did want to share just an update because we are still working in partnership with the university of colorado and city of boulder to monitor that 18 to 22 year old group and um We have seen consistent testing the numbers of the 18 to 22 year olds Have ticked up a tiny bit since last week, but um Are still uh right around that threshold for our baseline And the positivity rate is pretty consistent with the rest of the county And so the decision was made this week and herald can um Can attest that because the entire region um in every age group within boulder county is seeing slight increases in Our case rate. We decided that we will keep the 18 to 22 year old group at baseline with the rest of the county As we start to evaluate our policies and work on mitigation plans moving forward. Next slide, please Um, so did want to share some specific data around our incidence rates. Next slide, please Um this slide the light blue represents Cases that are associated with the university of colorado while the dark blue represents community members that have contracted covid And so as you can see the numbers Um continue to may remain very low for new cases among university of colorado students in the last Four days. In fact, there have been no confirmed cases in our database um, we have started to see an increase in cases at long-term care facilities and we actually have 15 cases associated with those in the last two weeks. So that's um That is a change in in um In where we're starting to see some disease. Next slide, please Um, I wanted to share this slide. I shared it at our last meeting but wanted to share it this week because um the Case the five-day average number of new cases at 59.8 is higher than any point in um in the response since uh march or last february except during our cu surge. So Just wanted to share that our our case uh numbers are going up consistent with the rest of the region um next slide, please Um, I'm just going to go over a couple of slides by municipality and race and ethnicity because we've seen some shifts some further shifts in the last two weeks next slide So this graph shows the weekly number of covid cases By municipality and as you can see in the last week a much larger portion Of the new cases have been in Long months in the last seven days 32% of the cases have been in the city of boulder and 43% in long month uh next slide um, this is a really really busy graph, but i'm just um sharing it because jeff does share this graph to show that um the case rates um, or the sorry the two-week incidence rate is increasing among Every single age group as you can see and we actually omitted The 18 to 22 year olds from this graph because there was such a huge um spike that we wouldn't have been able to see the nuances among all of these age groups um, what's interesting to note is even though we've omitted 18 to 22 year olds that there are Several other age groups with higher case rates that exceed that protect our neighbor threshold um, so um that that would be the 25 to 34 year olds as well as the 35 to 44 year olds Next slide, please um, so we do have really good reporting on race and ethnicity over 83 percent of cases haven't known race and ethnicity and I apologize that I wasn't able to get this specific slide for Longmont, but I did I was able to um Take some notes off of the data points and of the 47 cases within the last week 62 percent or sorry 62 of those cases are among Latinx Longmont residents So that's um almost 18 percent of the county's total cases among um Among Latinx residents um in long of Longmont And that is a disproportionate um burden of cases on that community And next slide, please This graph really just shows the shift in cases from During the cu surge of white non-Hispanic to now a larger portion of our cases From the Latinx Hispanic Community for the county as a whole 46 over 46 of our cases within the last we Seven days have been among Hispanic and Latinx Um next slide And then I just wanted to share um our overall um testing numbers. So uh final slide here next um So we have performed a lot of tests in boulder county and thanks to cdphg for allowing us to Um maintain that free testing site which is currently located at the stazio ball fields in uh boulder Um that has allowed us to keep um our testing numbers up. However, even with um the high number of tests that we're conducting that positivity rate has increased Quite a bit over the last month and a half Um up to four and uh 4.4 percent Um and then I'll just share um Some notes some key takeaways that jeff wanted me to share with everyone so Uh again, we are seeing increasing cases statewide in most um and almost all age groups the increases um in cases in boulder county among all age groups as you saw um in the The um graph that I showed hospitalizations are increasing statewide Um so far our mitigation plan with the university of colorado has worked Especially with large gatherings. We're not seeing as many of those and the enforcement is working well Um, we are concerned about fall and winter with more indoor gatherings and holiday Um gatherings, especially with halloween coming up Um as well as the mix of flu and covid season and herald was so great last uh last council meeting that I attended to Encourage everyone to get a flu shot if they have not already um just also concerns over covid-19 fatigue and a need to stay diligent and then um Again, you know, just individual behaviors are really driving A lot of the increases that we're seeing so small gatherings among friends and family members are where we're starting to see A lot of the spread of disease. So just the need to social distance reduce gatherings wear masks and wash your hands and I'm happy to take any questions if anyone has any and herald, I didn't know if you wanted to talk at all about the The change in the gathering limits and if not, I can I can share that a little bit later after questions Okay, so I'd like you to change to help with that because I still get the nuances I did if I can share one thing before we get to the questions. Um, I would appreciate that. I want to share my screen with you so This is um the overall snapshot That rachel was showing you in terms of the covid dial And and what's changed is a couple of things. So logan and adams actually Um, uh, rachel and if i'm not correct on this, but I think they were moved from level two to level three based on their numbers And um herald, I just received a press release today that denver and arapahoe counties also moved to safer at home level three today And I can see yeah, you can see denver barely, but they're not there yet. They're not updated So what you're seeing is they are moving backwards in this data Um, but the thing that also caught my attention is if you click on this You can see the number of counties with the caution sign It says currently in mitigation. So when when if you remember us talking about when you go into these When your case is increasing you see it you have to put a mitigation plan in and then you have time You can see a number of places that are now doing that or They're enforcing some stricter orders based on where where they set and If you get a chance, it's really good for council to go onto this COVID dial site, you can put it in google and just cdphg COVID dial and you can see what's happening in the different communities Part of that conversation is I have also so rachel and I've talked about this the legal teams worked with I've talked about the gene and then Jeff and I've talked about it too where we all are going to be getting together on thursday to Really talk about what we're seeing in the community and how do we work collectively with boulder county health in terms of a very targeted outreach and into communities in terms of Trying to mitigate the growth in cases that we're seeing so we don't see ourselves slide Like some of the other counties have slid into some of these other tiers and so We're going to be doing a lot of work in partnership Um, Jeff and rachel and the team from boulder county health Thanks for that herald. I was just gonna outline the new Requirements for gatherings under 10 While before we take questions if that's okay with folks so the state um as a reaction to These increased cases in the metro region has actually changed the gatherings of 10 for all Um groups within safer at home so level one two and three safer at home All are limited to gatherings of 10 or less But those gatherings now regardless of their indoors or outdoors Can only be among two households according to the new state guidelines Because as I said earlier and as jeff shared on these on this key takeaway slide We really are seeing a lot of spread among close friend groups and small family gatherings Because people feel safe and comfortable with folks that they know and they're not masking and social distancing as much So I just wanted to let folks know that that that does apply to us In safer at home level two Let's go with councilmember martin and then councilmember christianson So does this um level of of maximum level of 10 in a gathering Include in a house or in a backyard barbecue or does it also apply to ad hot gatherings on public streets? Yes, it would apply to all um private and public gatherings although Dining at a restaurant is excluded. So our attorneys are asking a couple of questions about that Yeah, I think there's some there's a provision in the Order that says unless There is another provision that allows it And so for religious institutions restaurants Other locations There's a different guidance piece on that eugene can jump in if He's looked into it more in depth than than I have so eugene. Can you help answer that question? Yeah, Harold you got the concept right if there's other industry specific guidance For certain sizes then that would prevail over the 10 the 10 is just uh personal gatherings Either indoor personal and private gatherings indoor or outdoors But industry specific guidance still Could allow larger groups And as a follow-up Is there going to be a change in enforcement? Because before it was really that there isn't any I'm gonna let herald answer that one on which piece For the maximum of 10 for a public gathering So we're still working on that. So I know we've had some calls Recently from one we have sent folks out to those locations And worked with them. I know there's going to be another conversation on that piece in terms of the how Right now Based on what I have all the jurisdictions are are still approaching the educational component on this It was only In terms of what I saw from other jurisdictions. It was only the 18 to 22 Where there was a different approach on that one based on those orders And that was in boulder So I know rob is working with the other Public safety groups in terms of conversations on that as we speak Councilmember christensen and then doc waters um Rachel i'm wondering if There is any breakdown on data between the genders because Women also are disproportionately involved in the in caretaking and service industries And I would expect to see a higher rate of infection. I'm just curious whether anybody thought to Break it down by gender You know, we don't have any of our data slides broken down by gender and I can't believe that I never thought that that was strange before but I'll definitely look into it and Um Make sure that I communicate that with herald if we have it easily accessible and if not um I could put in a data request. However, we are in a bit of a surge. So um CDPHE actually has been giving us some of the cases back that we sent to them for help So our epidemiologists are quite busy right now But I will ask because that is a very interesting question and Could help us in our mitigation plans as herald referenced. So thank you for bringing that up Dr waters Rachel two questions for you and herald I have one question for you um Among the the metrics that you share each week and then we've looked at on the dial um Are some of those more animating or activating for for county health or any public health department than others And the reason I ask is that I've I've been challenged by at least one a resident Who who makes the case via email that what we have is a case Demic not a pandemic Right, you have all these cases but look you don't see the hospitalization. You don't see death rates, etc um that reflect Uh A problem of sufficient magnitude for us to be mobilizing So um from a county health perspective, uh, which of those metrics are most activating or animating for you I'll we'll start there Yeah I mean, I would say that all of them are important to us because of those three dial metrics because Those are the criteria that the state is using and I will say that We have been Closely scrutinizing the how the hospitalization is calculated. So it only um the hospital rates um for cases are only calculated using a couple of hospitals within boulder county And um as you may have heard in any of the governor's updates that our hospitalizations are actually the highest that they've been since may and so if you look at that um that Uh map that I put up and only one county was in red It's strange that only one county would be in red when hospitalizations are going up across the board So our total number of hospitalizations in boulder county is In the 40s and that's higher. Um by at least 10 or 15 since the last time that I spoke with you all So it's a matter of how the state is pulling that data As well as where the folks are residing of how it's calculated and so hospitalizations are a really important factor, but the case The case rates are important because they're kind of a pre indicator to hospitalizations And so If I can add to her explanation too Um, I think we're at 47. I got those numbers from dan earlier today So we're at 47 total hospitalizations in boulder county 11 in long line and those are covid cases So when we see hospitalization I don't think of it as a rate. Maybe it isn't maybe there's a calculus of a rate But we see numbers right numbers of hospitalizations when that number seems to be growing Disproportionately large or faster than they say the percentage of infection right from 2.4 to 4.4 Is that an indication of maybe this goes to some of council member christensen's question the demographics You mentioned more latin exa community members In the infection rate Is that a reflection of the demographics of who's being affected because there's a faster rate of increase of hospitalizations relative to case increases and um infection rates Yeah, if we actually look back to one of the slides that I presented on you can see that Even though latin ex represent This is county data 13 0.8 percent of the total county population and They represent Sorry, i'm just trying to read this. It's small on my screen. Um, they represent 43 percent of Folks that have ever been hospitalized for covid So it's actually much higher proportionality even to those that have been affected with the disease Yeah, just just uh as you look at the as you come in on this the uh size of the The font and the numbers on your screen. That's the way they look to us every week do pretty small Intimidating but just small in terms of uh size of the font Harold the one question for you is um, you know, we had the presentation on the testing of wastewater We were going to collaborate with other municipalities. It's my recollection. We were submitting a proposal What's the status of that? Because that's the early indicator, right of what we might see coming over the next two weeks For those communities that are actively testing wastewater And I think the university is testing wastewater. Where are we with that? So they're they're running this test right now. I think the key piece is Um, based on the amount of data they've collected in terms of then taking that and and looking at the the The cases and how they're moving in we are just now. I think at the point and looking at some of those charts where we there's actually um data that we can use to start Trying to figure out a correlation on this del and I actually had this conversation Um earlier today about um, he's reached out to Roberto and John Gage to start looking at how we can do a regression analysis On those two data points so that you can start seeing a correlation But we we're just now actually collecting enough data To really start doing that Well, that would if we have those data and you and you're able to do that analysis given What we're seeing in terms of increasing other rates Uh, that that would be the that would be the the animating metric I would think for us In terms of the urgency we would need to be taking to whatever Outreach we're going to do education and we're going to do with the community. I'll I'll mute myself You know, did I miss anything? We lost I I think you hit the topic. I think the uh The fact is we're just now getting sufficient data To be able to analyze it But in looking at it There does appear to be some trends that are showing And um, so councilmember waters. I do believe at some point Um, it it will prove to be a leaving indicator That we're going to be able to uh report Yeah, councilmember Rachel I was just gonna thank um councilmember waters because I think that'll be important data to include in the mitigation Planning that we'll be working on so thanks for bringing that up. I'm going to make a note of that All right councilmember did I go faring? um, I have actually a few questions and one of them, I guess we'll go back to the um You know what councilmember christianson and waters have brought up about um the uh looking at the disproportionality among um We are latinx community or or maybe looking at women and um, you know, the that change or that You know, is it disproportionate? Let's delve deeper in the data, but also too. Do you have any kind of? Breakdown on professions of individuals who are um They who test positive or end up hospitalized because i'm kind of thinking you know access to um days off to be able to take care of themselves access to um health care So looking at you know, it kind of depends on profession too and and That except you know just their exposure rate. So maybe the meat meat um packing plant and and different places like that or places where they don't have offer benefits health insurance so they're not able to To go in immediately Yeah, I think that um, you know, our epidemiologists do ask about Place of employment as part of their case investigation so that we can determine. Um, if it was a workplace exposure um There have been several business outbreaks that are all posted on cdpg's website. So that would be if they're too um Or more employees of a business that are covid positive. Um, and this the business does have to do mitigation there and um I I would just say that I agree with you that there are a lot of disparities that exist before the pandemic and now um lead to some of the outcomes that we're seeing We have hired a bilingual, bicultural Resource coordinator and the new database that has been launched in the last couple of weeks. Dr. Justina does allow for a better categorization of resource needs so that we can start to share those with community organizations cultural brokers um To make sure that those issues are addressed Okay, as well as we can Okay, and then in the past I had seen in one of the presentations There was a slide that had When you looked at the positive rates the number of um ones that were community spread And another one that was individual person to person and I haven't seen any slides or any kind of um, even when I look on the website Um, I can try to find that one from you. We do have widespread community spread. So um I'm not sure if we're actually categorizing it that way anymore Versus the close um contact, but I'll I'll follow up on that one and make sure that if we do have it I will get it to you Yeah, and then the other one in going back to the um gathering guidelines the gathering of 10 or less And you said it was if I heard you correctly. It was two households No more than two households. Is that correct? So then in looking at, you know, there were special provisions for restaurants and certain businesses But what about daycares schools or even those outside rallies? What would that do for those types of? Gathering, I mean, they're all close together Some are not a lot or not wearing masks Yeah, there are specific guidelines for um for outdoor gatherings and Currently we're in safer at home. We're still in safer at home level too. And if those are permitted uh Events outdoor events you can have up to 175 people Attend those. Um, it's an appendix I of the public health the state public health order Um, like a football game for example like watching sports So I guess I would defer to Eugene because I'm not an attorney, but that's my understanding or herald Yes, so sorry Okay, so we can we we can't have Thanksgiving but we can go to a protest or a football game That's what I'm hearing because those events you have to be Socially distanced and there has to be mask wearing and you can have Thanksgiving with one other household And even if I were to want to have two friends over that are from different households That is currently not permitted and But I could also go out to eat with those friends. So That is the I think we know what he I think nobody's saying Those are the very I mean Again, I kind of what I talked about with my team today is we were getting this there are a lot of questions coming back because there's we just don't understand and Councilmember Hidalgo faring to your question. Those were things we were asking today Because of this reference to unless there's industry specific or other guidance in these orders And so it gets pretty specific to what we're talking about Where you have to go searching for that The frustration And why there's so much with all the confusion and how it's okay in this respect, but not okay in this respect And you know, so we're getting all these questions There's a lot of confusion and a lot of disbelief like there's I think it builds a lot of distrust So I guess I would like to know who are the powers that be That we could really as a council go forward and say You know, why Where you know give us the answer because I know it's not on on you both You didn't set the policy. You didn't set these criteria. Who can we go to the gut? Governor governor poll it's governor polis and And kind of Mary Hancock those two seem to be driving it. Am I wrong? My six foot ruler I can go over there in CDPHE. I mean because they're the ones that set the dial and So when the governor issues, I mean you'll see this when that when they say here's what we're going to do It actually comes out in a health order via CDPHE And so in some of the cases the questions that you all have brought up So, you know how it works. We port those into in our case eugenin Liz They then are in an attorney call with trina and kate and other attorneys they then take those questions and then they push them into CDPHE And then we start trying to get the answers to it Okay Thanks All right councilmember martin Um, yes, this is just I think just a note for rachel because You kind of skipped over something You said the event has to be permitted and mask wearing is required and I think uh councilmember redalgo faring and I were both referring to events that are not permitted and where masks are not worn So what's the deal with those? I will defer to herald because that sounds like it could be an a potential enforcement issue so I don't know what category those fall into because specifically you're talking about the activities that are probably on main street and I don't know Um, and that'll be something i'll have to push into eugenin to figure out Does that fall into a different category and if it does? What is the specific guidance on those categories? And what does that mean? Because I don't know if there's another offshoot in that world So what what we can tell you is well, let me work that with eugenin and then liz And to make sure we're in the right category because that's a challenge for us right now Is it's it's not um, how do I say this? There's so many different Specific requirements for different types of activities. So the example In this 10 person rule is um, as rachel pointed out athletic kind of events There are specific guidance for that even for youth athletics And and so what you would think well 10, but you can do this Those are the issues everyone's still struggling with right now Well, we'll do the best we can councilor peck I was on me. Thank you, mayor bagley. So, um, I have some of the same questions, but I do have What I would like to staff to consider when you mentioned that the 18 year olds are going to be boulder county is going to have enforcement over 18 year old 18 to 22 year old gathering and We haven't We haven't addressed that yet. Did I understand that correctly? No, there was very specific orders for 18 to 22 year olds in the city of boulder based on the outbreaks that they were seeing and what the And and what that looked like. So if if you looked at some of the health orders and in orders that Um boulder the city of boulder issued in conjunction with boulder county health There are even a number of specific locations that were put in those orders And then the gathering piece was very specific to 18 to 22 year olds with in boulder And and so there were specific orders Surrounding that population in boulder so my my uh Concern is that or my suggestion is that I I personally think that if we're going to have an enforcement like that in one city It should be countywide to assume that 18 to 20 year olds are not going to want to gather in mass groups. They're going to find a place It is just easier if we adopt the same enforcement rules. That's just my suggestion but going back to the gatherings uh, and this goes to enforcement also Just a couple of weeks ago at sandstone ranch. They're uh, that baseball game There were a lot more than 175 people sitting on those bleachers without masks together so um once again I feel that we need a county Uh enforcement account so that we all agree We all know what what everybody is doing. It doesn't make any sense to me that In lewisville, you can go and have 300 people, but over here we can only have 175 or Yeah, it just makes sense that we all agree in molder county on what our enforcement Regulations are and that we abide by those. Um So that's my two cents worth. All right, let's see another hand All right Holy crap got the rona. All right, rachel. Thank you very much for your time tonight. Harold anything else? Um, I just wanted Turn it over to jim. We just sold some bonds and we normally update you all on our bond sale in City manager comments jim Thank you, harold, um Mayor bagley members of council on jim golden chief financial officer So we did hold the sale of the open space uh refunding and improvement bonds this morning We only got two bids which is unusual We typically will receive anywhere from maybe six to ten bids in one of our bond sales But it's a very heavy week for for bond act municipal bond activity A lot of entities want to go to the market before the election. And so we only receive two bids But we did receive a low bid of 1.88 percent True interest costs, which was in excess of what we're where we were Mapping out our estimates. So that's much to our advantage. It's from huntington securities Uh, there is we basically are selling 17.8 million of bonds with a 2.8 million dollar premium It's generating four and a half million dollars of new dollars for uh open space projects And then it's refunding the 2010 bond issues that were outstanding The total debt service for open space bonds now is being reduced At about $380,000 per year from what it was before the sale Over the course of the remaining outstanding years through 2033 That is is a total savings of just below five million dollars But we are also adding an extra year to the To the new issue 2034, which is the final year of the tax And so that's additional 2.3 or so million dollars of debt Uh, and we are adding our reserve monies that we had for the prior bond issues towards this as well So overall the net present value savings out of this bond issue for the city is 2.28 million dollars So it'll be closing, um in mid november So all I had unless you had any questions about that No, thanks jim appreciate it All right herald anything else Nope, that's it. All right, let's go on to we're gonna take a quick three minute break while we get ready and load up first call public invited to be heard Hi folks, we just let in a bunch of callers We are still on break We will Call you by the last three digits of your phone number when we're ready to begin We'll go down the list And when we call out your number be prepared to unmute yourself Please make sure that you've muted the live stream Or we'll it'll be a little confusing because there is a delay Thanks so much and hang on We'll get started here short Give us just a few minutes or a few more seconds while the screen disappears from our live stream And we're still admitting some folks So for the callers that just entered the meeting, uh, you are muted You will be asked to unmute one at a time. We will call on you by the last three digits of your phone number Please make sure that you have muted the live stream Because there is a delay and you will not hear us Call on you And if you do not unmute when we call on you We will try a couple times and move on to the next caller. We will come back to you again All right mayor, I believe we're ready to begin All right, how many people are in the queue for first call public about it to be heard 13 to my count. All right, let's go ahead and leave it open until after the first callers finished with their three minutes And then we'll close it up sound good Sounds awesome our first caller mayor Their last number last three digits of their phone number is two three six Two three six. I'm gonna ask you to unmute Are you there? Can you hear us? I think that's me That is you we hear you. Can you please state your name? Okay, I would Okay sally sprague Thank you You have three minutes All right, I'm calling in favor of the bond farm Co-housing community proposal now. I've been interested in co-housing for many years Since living in co-off houses during graduate school when I returned to colorado this time I looked at several co-housing opportunities along the front range and was disappointed in what was available then Bond farm came along when I was getting ready to retire and relocate to long months Unlike the other communities with which I was familiar bond farm had amenities and plans That matched my abilities and interest The csa opportunity for contributing to the building and living unit layouts and the structures of the farm portion with the csa I have been in three csa's and i'm really excited to have one so close at hand the inclusion of an elevator for upper-level units takes care of my lousy knee which prevented me from Buying into one co-housing setting As a single person whose last family members left colorado a few years ago finding another community nearby is very important to me I am committed to staying in colorado But want more connection with people who share interest in productive land use like the farm green building all the structural elements of the project and knowing and caring for neighbors Co-housing and bond farm in particular is a great option for me And I hope that the current folks at the bone farm neighborhood understand that being part of the hood is important for me Thank you Thank you Moving on to the next caller caller 347 I'm going to ask you to unmute 347 I'm going to ask you to unmute Am I unmuted? Yes, we hear you. Please state your name and address for the record and you have three minutes This is Mary Lynn. I live on atwood street in longmont and i'm calling to weigh in about the smart metering Issues which are before the city the city is at this time looking at some very exciting opportunities to conserve energy interesting projects Like that presented by tim ellen tim ellis in this meeting. However I'm urging the city to not rush towards the use of Radio wave smart meters. They are not necessary for the city to have on every house or even most houses statistically speaking a city the size of longmont Only needs something of the order of 405 or so smart meters that could be voluntarily chosen by houses in order to be able to If they were distributed through the city randomly that's all that's needed in order to be able to Determine usage and make most of the decisions that the city is looking to make in terms of regulating and Deciding how much energy should be available at any one time and smart meters are unsafe in terms of data privacy They are unsafe in terms of ene Radio wave frequency radiation and they're unsafe and that they're not grounded And they catch fire easily due to power surges. So please look at alternatives and innovative ways to Um To regulate the energy usage in the city and utility usage Without mandating the smart meters emf emitting radiways emitting smart meters on every home. Thank you All right, our next caller your phone number ends in 4 9 9 4 9 9 Hello Hello Can you hear me? We sure can You okay, you may begin This is doe kelly of barberry drive This is part two of my public comments from last week's meeting Where I shared my canary in the coal mine story of becoming electrosensitive And having injury confirmed by a brain mapping therapist. I was seeing I hope you will see the connection between what I shared last week about my own story of microwave injury With what I share from this article Last Tuesday I was flabbergasted to see an online article titled suspected culprit emerges in mystery Havana syndrome Reports suggest russia is behind alleged attacks on u.s. Diplomats around the world As you may recall from 60 minutes in the news this mystery Havana syndrome Describes multiple u.s. Diplomatic and other agents who are apparently targeted with something That heretofore has received much speculation as to how multiple personnel in many locations in the world Received dramatically similar neurological injuries So much so that u.s. Personnel were evacuated and offices closed in certain countries The article dated october 20th 2020 Distilled information taken from investigative journalism seen in gq and the new york times I paraphrase from the article Remember Havana syndrome the term often used to describe the weird inexplicable ailments that began affecting u.s. Diplomats in cuba in recent years Two investigative pieces by the new york times and gq seek to shed more light on what's happening Both making clear that these incidents have been happening around the world Gq suggests that consensus is settling on some kind of Directed energy weapon possibly using microwaves Russia has a history with such weapons both stories note Forbes spins off the time story by explaining A minuscule but rapid rise in tissue temperature resulting from the absorption of pulsed microwave energy Creates a thermo elastic expansion of brain matter An expert tells Forbes which likens the result to an acoustic shock wave in the brain There's more of the story but suffice to say the description of microwaves Causing an acoustic shock wave in the brain Indeed did capture my attention considering that I described a part of my own injury as 10 000 miniature jackhammers going off in my ears So I leave you tonight with these thoughts to ponder about wireless smart meters Wireless bio microwaves is not sustainable for living beings You heard dr. Scott cunningham quotes several scientific studies on adverse effects of electromagnetic radiation last week There's a lot of other hard science out there If you look or if you ask the cast shadows of doubt Over the science being settled on smart meters potential adverse health effects The real science knows this and the health effects presenter from last week bill hide Although well intended was not an expert in the field Longmont deserves to hear from one who is Thank you very much for your time All right next caller All right our next caller Your phone number ends in five two five I'm going to ask you to unmute Five two five Caller five two five. There you are. Yeah, hi Hello Hi, this is Go ahead. Please state your name and your address for the record. You have three minutes Yeah, this is morale richie. I'm a practicing realtor in longmont, colorado at five twelve fourth avenue I'm calling for a number of reasons today. First of all, I am a member of bond farm And I wanted to call in support of that. I think it's a very progressive great idea for longmont in a super use of that particular property um Co housing communities typically do hold their value very well. It is a high quality housing meant to be very green It supports multi-generational living so people get a great education from one another and care from each other For each other in a way that they don't in normal housing And I just think in general, this is a super bonus for long months. I really wanted to support that This along with many other things that longmont has done are very progressive Such as when our forefathers provided Plenty of water for us in the community For instance having next light We're having we have landlord training landlord trainings once a month And we have great mediation services So there's much that longmont is doing very well and this is definitely one of them um I did though want to talk about some of the recent things that have come up such as um airbnb's airbnb's were approved about I don't know 1920 months ago People have invested their money into these homes and now the carpet is being pulled out from under them Possibly and I know that some people on the council do not like airbnb's and I feel like this is just shipping away at them over time And next it'll be not just the standalone ones, but also the ones that are in homes So I really uh don't approve of this. I think it's very detrimental to say that a business is allowed People invest their money and then the carpets pulled out from under them um in addition Talking about rental licensing We are having a lot of issues because of the state is actually coming down quite hard on landlords lately There are some great rules that should be in place But other people are pressing for ones that are excessive In my own business, I've seen two of my investors move their money out of the state They have actively sold off all their properties one has taken their money to wyoming and one has taken it to washington And just today I received an email from another investor of mine who sent me the um a link to the thing about the rental licensing being questioned and she is now talking about moving her money to wyoming and Montana and I find this very upsetting obviously it's my own business But in general, we are pushing businesses out of this state Ones that have been great businesses and our landlords in general here in longmont are great We do have services for them and the state also has laws that cover livable habitat You know habitable living So to talk about rental licensing in longmont I would hope that it's being driven if it's going to continue being driven by Some sort of necessity that there's actually a problem being seen Otherwise, it just seems like a big waste of time and it's a message to our Landlords that this is not a friendly place for them to be so I really hope that you will consider this and Look at what the rules are already in place. I strongly recommend that you maybe bring in to talk to The lawyer who often speaks to the landlord symposium. Her name is jebora wilson She's with springman brademan Sorry springman braden wilson and pontius and her number is 303 685 4633 she talks to us regularly. She's very knowledgeable about it She's very very involved on capitol hill with the legality of rental licensing And I just hope that before you Dive into this and send the message to our landlords that it's going to be a hostile environment here that you would Get an education on what's already in place because it certainly does seem sufficient And that's about it. All right. Thank you. Bye Next Our next caller your phone number ends in the numbers 983 I'm going to ask you to unmute 983 There you are 983 Hi Hi, my name is darlie My name is darlie. You know shanny and I live in longmont in an rv and I have Uh comments here RV ownership has grown from 7.9 million in 2005 to over nine million today One million americas live in rvs full time. Well meet the modern romance We are independent self sufficient and we are human beings that god put here just like everyone In august 2017 You changed the law for rvs to park in the street for 40 hours eight hours and then move 600 feet So I bought my rv in 2017 and playing by the rules knowingly I could park in the street legally I know of three rvs That had to move out of cottonwood. They are now in the streets for whatever reason There is about 800 There is their rent is about 850 plus utilities there Now you are trying to change the law so we can park in the street. Well, if you Should be able to grandfather those of us who are already parked in the street Stay if we want to some of us are not eligible for your housing programs Or do we want to be as for me? I became homeless in 2013 and living with a friend and in my own my van I bought an rv and it is part of my recovery From homelessness until I find a better solution to better living Whatever that may be I have to take care of my family first. My three sons have no work or place to go Besides I help a lot of people out here Homeless and people on my job being a bus driver I think that I am a first responder and putting myself in danger to covid 19 And I think you should wait to change the rv parking laws until after covid 19 because A lot of rv's do not know what you are doing because they do not have the means to go online and speak to you Or seek control meetings And somehow they should be notified of your intent to change the law and time to consider it and respond Furthermore, I would like to say like to bring to your attention while I was driving and working around Longmont last week I drive about 40 hours There were a lot of newer rv's driving and parking here around Longmont So I suspect they're coming out of the mountains and evacuations from the fire Also, I am getting reports that people who are evacuees from the fire Are in their cars and have no place to go With all due respect now is not the time For an old parking loss Thank you very much, and I don't envy your job All right. Thank you very much All right Our next caller your phone number ends in zero six five I'm going to ask you to unmute Zero six five. There you are Okay, hi abby Can you hear me? We can please state your name and address for the record. You have three minutes. Oh, sure. Okay abby driscoff at 13 or 4 lupine court I'm here tonight as board chair for sustainable resilient Longmont and Just wanted to make sure the council knows, you know, we've been working on our renewable energy campaign since 2017 and Wanted to make sure the council knows that tonight there's a and this week or other there's a I repeat going forward to power 30 board and It gets us to 90% renewable energy by 2030. So we're happy to see that We're also happy that the IRP and its current form Recommit to the research diversification policy and the goal of 100% renewable energy by 2030 and Specifically the resolution states that PRPA quote will continue to proactively pursue a 100% non-carbon energy mix by 2030 Taking innovative solutions that one will would enable that river to provide reliable and financially sustainable electric service to its owner communities without new fossil fuel resources If possible while using T2 as the planning Vegetarian rate making baseline to advance pot rivers progress towards this goal so I also just want to make sure everyone knows that before this this natural gas that Plants that is in the current IRP would be built. There'll be two more IRPs before 2030 the next one being in 2024 and My hope is that You know things will keep moving in the right direction as far as technology and market forces and everything You're hearing about that. Longmont power is doing on distributed energy as well so You know with climate change upon us affecting Longmont as well as obviously nearby communities in Boulder and Larimer counties We have to act as swiftly as possible to avert a climate crisis And we hope that future movements that favors price points for solar storage combined with technological advances in the renewable energy sector And innovations like distributed energy will continue to support long miles transition to 100% renewable by 2030 if not before So and we do oppose any new investment in new fossil fuel infrastructures including natural gas and we hope That mary bagley and david hornbacker will um as our representatives the PRPA will help us Um, you know keep moving in the right direction. So thanks so much Thanks, abby Next caller All right our next caller your phone number ends in 119 119 i'm going to ask you to unmute Hello. Hi Hi, this is Karen dyke. I'm at 708 Hayden court Mayor bagley and council members Almost four years a small group of us got together to talk about renewable energy We looked at the cr club program for 100 Are ready for 100 commitments And how could we build this type of programs as a grassroots community effort in longmont? We were aware of the contributions of our municipal power company to our local air pollution and also global warming We found that others in longmont were also very interested and wanted to help We had a mantra that if they could get to 100 commitment in pueblo We could get to a 100 commitment in longmont We were pleased to get a proclamation by mayor bagley in january of 2018 Followed by a resolution stating commitment to 100 renewable energy from the city council Longmont then served as an inspiration to other cities and the mantra out there became if longmont can do it. We can do it SRL sustainable resilient longmont worked closely with a larger group to encourage our power provider to close the raw hide cold plant and replace it with renewable energy Thursday the rpa will vote on an irp an irp outlines a plan for power generation future generation Our group and other local groups worked hard to get a commitment to 100 renewable energy in this irp We weren't able to get that pure commitment However, the resolution that will be voted on states that prpa will continue to work towards 100 renewable energy And that they will review the need to build a fossil fuel plant to generate electricity in a new irp within the next four years Well, this isn't a total win the resolution gives us room to hope that the fossil fuel plant will never be built My hope is that the 163 million dollars being set aside for a fossil fuel plant Is instead spent for storage to support a 100 renewable energy future Innovation should make this possible Irish council to continue to follow prpa's action and work towards a more sustainable future As we look at the clear evidence that the climate is changed with all the fires this month We all need to be thinking about how we can move away from fossil fuels I was very impressed with the president a presentation on habitat homes tonight And it gives me great hope that long not will continue to be a leader. Thank you so much You heard it here first Karen dyke was very impressed with the president. I'm sure she I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Karen. I'm kidding All right, let's go ahead and go with next caller All right, the next caller your phone number ends in 131. I'm going to ask you to unmute 131 there you are Can you hear us? Hi? Yeah, I can Hi, my name is netty penman and I live at 609 collier street and I'm calling in support of the bond farm community project and I am a member of The bond farm community And I was attracted to bond farm because it's a community built around common interests and our community for our community those interests are agriculture or gardening and art and um, I myself am an artist and I've worked As an as a artist more or less hobbyist for the last 50 years in clay And over those years I've gained a lot of knowledge about materials and techniques and I've accumulated a lot of tools and equipment Which I would hate to abandon when it's time for me to downsize and um, fortunately when I found out about bond farm and realized that uh, one of the interests is supporting artists and creativity and part of the plan for bond farm is a lot of maker space and um so um Because we'll have multiple shared workspaces and art rooms It's going to be really It's going to really be an encouraging environment for creativity And we have lots of spaces planned for displaying artwork and we want to include not only the bond farm members, but You know the whole bond farm neighborhood and the city And we have planned spaces for displaying artwork and for making artwork um So within bond farm if you're a member you're encouraged to sign up for one or two teams And I'm a member of the art team and the art team's been actively involved for a few months in planning uh large gate areas that will be a central focal point of the um project and hopefully be um Very welcoming focal point and express the creativity of the artists who live there and and are designing it and will be um cooperatively Actually building it together um, so um as a as a senior who's lived in boulder county since 1972 um, I'm looking forward to having bond farm um be an opportunity for me to live with other among other artists and and share the knowledge that i've gained and um participate in lots of activities in a supportive community So, um, I encourage I encourage everyone to find out about bond farm. It's such a unique Development and is going to be a great resource for our for our community. So thanks Thank you Next how many more do we have to go three? Give me just a second two three four five so the next caller your phone number ends in 332 i'm going to ask you to unmute 332 are you there? Hello, hello. Hello. Yeah, uh, thank you all I'm just calling uh as a yes for the bond farm concept plan amendment ma'am and just Yeah, oh my name. Yes state your name and address for the record. Thank you Okay, sure. Annie brook uh 4 4 2 5 driftwood place boulder colorado 80301 And I am one of the invested members in the bond farm and very much Grateful for the way that city of longland has worked in cooperation and making sure that the bond farm Really follows through with the city ordinances and we've done a terrific job in designing a concept design That also bridges some of the social invitation to people outside of the exact membership So people can join as affiliate members Can use some of the resources that will be on site at the property. So i'm just calling in to Ask for that ordinance approval for the concept plan amendment Thank you so much Thank you. All right next Our next caller your phone number ends in 418 418 i'm going to ask you to unmute. Are you there? Yes, can am I filming through? Yes, you are sir Okay, last time that last week it just went a poof on me because I was trying to do it with one of those gear things um The reason i'm Calling and sir sir Before you begin, can you please state your name and address for the record? Okay, I'm sorry about that name is stanley toll q l l e I'm a long time resident of uh, city of lawn lawnmont and uh, i'm calling about the proposed rv ordinance and the reason i've sent the council You know a week ago a note notice and then i've actually sent a Something that i'm going to be filing with the court if the city doesn't follow the Now the corral open meeting uh requirements um The reason i'm Making this filing this complaint is that The people who are living in rvs Really haven't been involved You know the city hasn't made the effort to involve these people and The zoom meetings themselves Are really an emergency? Measure Put in to deal with covet And the main thing is is that people that are living in rvs This is really beyond their ability to be able to participate in this And An open meeting Is more than just being able to see what the city people are doing you you show up at a meeting You make contacts with people you organize and the open meeting statute that was put in by initiative in this state Is so the people of this Can get involved and participate in making their own laws And with with their city representatives And this is totally being excluded out And so i have sent you Hopefully it's gotten to you i've sent it to each one of your email address something that if we don't pause this and Do this rv we just didn't rv ordinance and a lot of people like they said are We're dependent on it and so We haven't even had a chance to see if the old one's going to work And it's actually illegal to Rush through with something like this and something like zoom Where you don't really have People that are being impacted by this having a chance to participate in it And it's actually illegal And that if this city Is insistent and you should read the thing that i just sent you The law is very plain that if you have a meeting that doesn't meet the open meeting requirements Anything that's done there is no invoice All right, and one of the things i've given you a little About three and a half minutes I think i've said it. All right. Thank you buddy. All right next caller All right our next caller your phone number ends in six three three I'm going to ask you to unmute Six three three Can you hear us your phone number ends in six three three? There you are Can you hear us? Oh, hey Hello, uh Yes, hello We hear you You may begin. Please stay. Yep. Go ahead My name is she killed a lull. I live at 609 terry street I'm calling to ask counsel to ask with caron deliberation and to stand up for equal protection under the law Tonight is the first reading of an ordinance which seeks to essentially criminalize criminalize living in an rv During the october 6th the meeting of the long month city council Many members of council expressed concern that the ordinance would be used against their constituents Who permanently store rvs or other vehicles in the public right of way During that discussion jeff sadder told members of council that he and his officers would ensure that the law would only be enforced Against those living in their rvs and that he would protect landowners from the consequences of violating that law I was very disappointed in the members of council who allowed that to sail by without comment Whether we believe their behavior makes them nuisances or not and whether they are there by choice or due to economic circumstance People who live in rvs are still people It is wrong for the city council to write a law whose text says it should be enforced against everyone But to inform only enforce it against some people In the same way that it was wrong under jim crow to ensure that only people of color had to take a poll test Even though that law was written to be race neutral I understand why council feels that the only practical solution to the problem of illegal waste dumping by those living in rvs Is to outlaw living in them But writing a law which appears to apply to everyone And then asking the longmont police with a wink and a nod to only enforce that law against people considered undesirable Falls far short of the standard a community which claims to have a progressive police report should set police force Should set for itself All right. Thanks, akhil All right. Is that it for the callers? No mayor. We have two more. I'm going to call again on six three three It appears another caller jumped in So i'm going to ask six three three Let's let's make sure we lock up this and no more callers So when we're on first call public invited to be heard if they're not on the list, they don't get in Right and so when you see someone Mayor when you see someone now in the waiting list It's because after they speak if they don't hang up. I put them back in the waiting list in the Okay, I just want to make sure that we don't have perpetual. Nope. We're good. All right cool Got it covered there for you Caller six three three. Let's try that again. Do you hear us? I'm going to ask you to unmute Caller six three three Your area code is seven two four the last three digits are six three three Isn't I think we just heard from six three three. No it was six three five that jumped in actually Councilmember waters All right. I'm going to move to nine two six Nine two six. I'm going to ask you to unmute Hi there My name is ben sergeant. I live at 744 atwood whole town east side and I was Attended the study session last week on the smart meter issue And I have a few comments and observations on that um I have a friend of number of years who was a of an rf engineer for the jet propulsion lab in nasa group and sustained neurological injury on on the job and had to retire and he spent the years since then researching At what the RF exposure that he gets in his neighborhood and He states categorically that the smart meters are not safe And that people need to You know get to independent research on that and not listen to the industry people who are either Are just not not actually using safe science methods But obviously financially motivated Um, and so as an example of that, um, I was shocked During the study session that the so-called expert from boulder county had some very questionable data that he shared and Councilwoman martin pointed out that the figures that he was giving for rf Uh Coming off of a smart meter didn't seem to include The transceiver what are the you know the signal generator? But was just sort of the base level equipment without full, you know You know not as it's actually configured When it's put on a home and so, um, I thought that that was uh, really strange like where did he get that slide? Uh, obviously from somebody in the industry, I don't think he would have come up with those figures himself Uh, but it shows poor research and um, that really concerned me Um, I get my uh exercise walking around the neighborhoods And nobody brought up the fact that that he that it's not a matter of, you know, how much Uh rf is coming off of a single Neater Uh, you you're being bathed from all directions. Uh, and we have already have You know too many self-prone towers very dangerous All the way back Three g is dangerous four g is dangerous five g is uh, you know even more dangerous Uh, then that's coming in We have all kinds of wi-fi so the electronic smog in longmont is very, uh concerning And um, you know in terms of smart meters think about sir Sir, there's no good time to catch off, but we're well over three minutes But we're gonna have all right. Well invite you back though. Thank you All right, we're gonna go back to that last caller see if they can pick up All right, if they don't pick up within about 15 seconds, we're gonna end it Whoops, I put the wrong one in the waiting room. Let's do this again Caller six three three. I'm gonna ask you to unmute Caller six three three. Are you there? Hello Hello, can you hear me? We sure can we can hear you. Oh good Thank you. I I got in okay So should I go ahead? Yes, please state your name and address for the record and my name. Thank you All right, my name is mary and regai. I've called before Um, I live at 70 21st avenue and um, I'm talking again about People with disabilities and I'm calling it disability awareness because um It's important for the general public to know to be aware of people with disabilities and how the word the word disability actually means an inability to function in a physically or mentally normal way and normal meaning The way a regular person would be able to function. It doesn't mean that they're abnormal mentally or anything like that so The ability to do that Can be can affect a person's ability to get around ability to communicate and so Because of that my disability Prevents me from walking In a normal way at a normal rate because of injuries to my feet and legs So, um, I don't know how long I'm going to be able to say this because I wrote a lot of notes this year, but um The thing is if the general public is more aware of this an education is needed I believe for people in whatever way the education can occur for those who are motivated to learn And for those who can be educated in ways In which they know when running a business they need to be aware that the disabled person does have certain needs and be aware that they are not to be able to do something that they're not able to do once again the word disability means inability to function or walk or do things in a quote normal way So in other words when one goes into a restaurant and one has a walker like I do And the host or host just comes over and says I'm going to take your walker now and put it in a corner That happens a lot in restaurants, especially when I'm alone So for me to speak up for myself, it's difficult So I do it the best I can and I say I need my walker with me So um when the general public and business people are aware of this Then they are more amenable to that person's needs as a disabled person So to be nice and take the walker and and put it in a corner May seem like a nice thing to do over that person. That's their amenity and they need it with them Usually usually they do sometimes they don't but if they do need it with them then the host or hostess and the manager Need to have a seat for that person where they can have their walker nearby That's one example of the general public having an awareness of a disabled person's needs and really Meeting those needs and being amenable to them and having good customers who are disabled people I think that's all i'm going to say right now Because there's much more to say But um education is needed of the general public when one when a disabled person is out alone Especially without a helper That disabled person has to speak for themselves and it can be difficult When the general public is not aware that that disabled person has special needs. Thanks for listening. Thanks Marianne All right, you're welcome. Thank you. All right. Bye. Bye. That concludes first call public invited to be heard Let's move on to the consent agenda don can you read that for us? Good evening mayor Just going to remind you that item nine I was removed from the agenda by staff at a late date or at a late hour So I will not read that into the record. Let's skip that one So item nine a is ordinance 2020-51 a bill for inordinates making additional appropriations for expenses and liabilities of the city of long moth for the fiscal year beginning january 1st 2020 public hearing and second reading scheduled for november 10th 2020 9b is ordinance 2020-52 a bill for inordinates adopting the budget for the city of long moth for the year 2021 public hearing and second reading scheduled for november 10th 2020 9c is ordinance 2020-53 A bill for inordinates making additional making appropriations for the expenses and liabilities of the city of long moth for the fiscal year beginning january 1st 2021 public hearing and second reading scheduled for november 10th 2020 9d is ordinance 2020-54 a bill for inordinates amending section 3.04.885 of the long moth municipal code adopting an amendment to the employee contribution requirement of the city of long moth general employees retirement plan public hearing and second reading scheduled for november 10th 2020 9e is ordinance 2020-55 a bill for inordinates authorizing a farmland lease agreement between the city of long moth and joseph m dochef on the french property public hearing and second reading scheduled for november 10th 2020 9f is ordinance 2020-56 a bill for inordinates conditionally approving the vacation of right away within the villas at yoke creek subdivision generally located north of 17th avenue and west of pay street public hearing and second reading scheduled for november 10th 2020 9g is ordinance 2020-57 a bill for inordinates amending chapter 11 of the long moth municipal code on vehicles abandoned kept on public property or junked public hearing and second reading scheduled for november 10th 2020 9h is ordinance 2020-58 a bill for an administrative ordinance approving the purchase option agreement to convey a parcel of city-owned land located at 2000 sunset way to sunset element llc public hearing and second reading scheduled for november 10th 2020 9j is resolution 2020-106 a resolution of the long moth city council approving the intergovernmental agreement between the city and colorado state university for receiving loaned material for an upcoming museum exhibit 9k is resolution 2020-107 a resolution of the long moth city council approving the application for change of water rights and confirming the city's conditional appropriation of water rights in connection with the change of shares in the bonus ditch company 9l is resolution 2020-108 a resolution of the long moth city council approving the intergovernmental agreement between the city of long moth and the united states geological survey to provide streamflow gauges on the boulder left hand and saint frane creeks 9m is resolution 2020-109 a resolution of the long moth city council supporting the grant application to the department of local affairs to reduce the carbon footprint of long moth wastewater treatment plant and 9n is approve one capital improvement program amendment All right. Do I have a motion and or Removal of these items. Um, can I get the council back, please then uh councilmember christensen? Hi, thank you. Um, um, thank you mr. Mayor. I would like to pull item a and item g for discussion All right. Can I please see the entire screen? I need that back Um, mayor it may be on your end. You may need to change your view in the upper right corner, right? I am seeing Two seconds. Why are my only seeing eight people? um Odin gallery view at the top. Yeah, that's what i'm at There's only um the sixth of you all I'm camera. Okay. All right. All right. That would be why All right I just got so scared when it's just us. I feel so lonely. All right. Anybody else want to pull anything councilmember peck? Uh, I don't want to pull anything. I was going to make a motion go for it. Joan. It's yours. Okay. I move that we uh Move the consent agenda minus items a and g I will take I will I will take that as a motion to include also I which the staff also asked to remove It's been moved and second it's been moved and seconded all in favor say I I All right. All posts say nay All right. This consent agenda is accepted and passed unanimously All right. Moving on to ordinances on second reading and public hearings on any matter We're going to go ahead and take a two minute break and if you are waiting to call in for any of the second Uh ordinances on second reading You will need to call in now. So we will be back in two minutes So stay close so we can blaze through this. All right. Thank you So folks, we've let in a few callers for the public invited to be heard Um, sorry the public hearing section of our meeting We're going to leave you on mute and as each of these ordinances come up for Their public hearing we will ask you to raise your virtual hand by pressing star nine on your phone when we read out the particular ordinance And that will give us a clue that you want to speak on that particular item And if we don't hear from you, we will leave you in the queue for the next item and so forth If you don't raise your hand During any of them will check in with you at the end of the public hearing So again, raise your hand star nine as we call out each of the different ordinances How many How many people are in the queue? Mayor we have three at this point that I've let in perfect. Can I get the screen back? Yes All right, who we missing So give us like 20 seconds and wait for the screen. There she is. What's she? Susie, what's she eating? Susie, is it better than my stuff? I need to know. I'm sorry I've been trying my dinner. I've been trying to eat it since 5 30. I just want to know what it is again What kind of chicken? Grilled All right, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. I'm a little jealous I like eating I like eating during these zoom meetings. I don't know why maybe because they're boring in my kitchen All right, let's go ahead and start with 10 a Ordinance 2020-44 billford and ordinance making additional appropriations for the expenses and liabilities the city of longmont for the fiscal year beginning january 1st 2020 Um staff, there's no report. Are there any questions from council? Seeing none. We'll go ahead and open the public hearing. Is there anyone who would like to speak on this item? Is there anybody raising their hand? Susan? Mayor, I'm not seeing anyone yet All right, perfect. We'll we'll go ahead and close the public hearing if somebody pops in we'll revisit the issue Can we have a motion for ordinance 2020-44? I will move ordinance 2020-44. Do I have a second second? It's been moved by myself seconded by councilmember waters All in favor say I I'll oppose me All right, the motion passes unanimously 10 b ordinance 2020-45 of billford and ordinance fixing and leviting taxes upon the real and personal property within the city of longmont for the year 2020 to pay budgeted city expenses for the 2021 fiscal year Um, there's no staff report. Is there uh councilmember peck? Um, thank you. I just want to clarify that we are not raising taxes. We're fixing the taxes Uh that we've already levied Last year. Is that correct? That's correct. No change in the tax rate. Thank you, jim. All right With that. Oh, we need let's go let's go ahead and open it for i'll call on you as soon as we have the public hearing All right, we'll go ahead and open it for Public hearing is there anyone who hits star nine that would like to address this issue? I do not see anyone at this point mayor. All right, we'll go ahead and close the The public hearing councilmember peck. Would you like to make a motion? I do. I uh move ordinance 2020-45 All right, it's been moved by councilmember peck seconded by councilmember martin I know dr. Waters did but I think it was councilmember martin as well. So we'll go to councilmember martin And uh all in favor say aye Opposed say nay All right, the motion passes unanimously item 10c ordinance 2020-46 have built for an ordinance fixing and levying taxes upon the Real and personal property with the long want downtown development district for the year 2020 to pay budgeted expenses The long want downtown development authority for 2021 fiscal year We are fixing not raising taxes same question same answer. I presume to councilmember peck all right There's no staff report councilmember martin Do you have questions? No, I no question. I was going to make a motion, but I forgot you have to let's go ahead That's all right Let's go ahead and open the public hearing if you would like to speak on this matter go ahead and hit star nine to Raise your hand, please anybody Not seeing anyone mayor All right, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing councilmember martin. Would you like to make a motion? Yeah, I move adoption All right, I'll second that uh ordinance 2020-46 has been moved by councilmember martin seconded by myself Say no further discussion debate all in favor say aye Aye Aye Opposed say nay Ordinance 2020-46 passes unanimously Moving on to 10d ordinance 2020-47 a bill for an ordinance conditionally approving the vacation of the pedestrian trail He's been associated with the 110 emery minor subdivision plat and site plan generally located south of second avenue in east of emery street All right, there's no staff report. Let's go ahead and Open it for public hearing hit star nine if this is the issue that you'd like to speak on please Mayor I'm not seeing anyone respond All right, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing on ordinance 2020-47. Does anyone have a motion councilmember christensen I I don't have anything to say Oh, I thought you're gonna make a motion. I saw some fingers. I'll move ordinance 2020-47 second Let's take a move up. Okay. It's been moved by county mayor bagley and seconded by Uh, uh, dr. Waters um All in favor say aye. Aye Aye Aye Opposed say nay All right ordinance 2020-40 of 47 passes unanimously 10e ordinance 2020-48 a bill for an ordinance amending section 15.03.08 Oh the lawment municipal code on zoning districts measurements and exceptions Is there a staff report on this herald? I'm assuming no. All right. Let's go ahead All right, that's what I thought but just making sure let's go ahead and Open the first the public hearing on this matter if you're here to talk about the municipal code on zoning districts go ahead hit star nine I am not seeing anyone respond All right, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing on ordinance 2020-48. Do we have a motion from our councilmember? We'll move approval ordinance 2020-48 second All right, ordinance 2020-48 has been moved by dr. Waters seconded by councilmember martin All in favor say aye. Aye Opposed say nay All right, the motion passes unanimously. I think I saw councilor christensen's lips move. So we're gonna count it as an eye All right, so that passes unanimously. All right 10 f ordinance 2020-49 A bill for an ordinance proving the concept plan amendment for the bond farm rezoning and annexation agreement located at 1313 spruce street. I'm thinking that this is star nine time to hit star nine folks if you want to talk about the bond concept plan We'll go ahead and read your last four digits And we will hear what you have to say All right. I'm going to Ask 073 to unmute yourself. Are you there 073? Caller that phone that has a phone number that ends in 073 Can you unmute yourself? Let's go to the next one. All right The next caller your phone number ends in three. Oh zero seven three. Are you there? Hello, yeah, yes, are you can you hear me? Yes. Are you here to speak on you just muted yourself? Let's try that again Caller zero. There you are Okay, you can hear me. My name is Steven Rutherford And I'm soon to be moving to longmont my daughter and granddaughters live in longmont and my wife and I have been Involved in the bond farm project for now four years It's been a long wait, but I want you to know we're we're incredibly excited about being able to be a part of that community excited because It's it's Near the center of town We look forward to being able to get ourselves around by bicycle Visit our our daughter and granddaughters on on the bike path that goes right through bond farm My wife is also an artist and is really looking forward to being a part of the art community that's going to be there And as well the the two-acre farm so that we're looking forward to being a part of that effort to grow our own food and be Sustainable in that way So I I'm I'm really excited to be a part of what I think will be a real shining star for the town of longmont Soon to be my home. Thank you Thank you next caller Thank you the next caller Your phone number ends in three five zero I'm going to ask you to unmute three five zero Caller three five zero I'm going to move on to the next caller Caller four one eight Nope, there's three five zero. Are you there? Yes, I'm here great I'm gene jasmine. I reside at 210 and a half lincoln street in longmont and I'm a member of the bond farm co-housing community and I'm really excited to be with People who are In the Healthy aging community There are so many ways in which we can support each other And I'm going to Um decrease can you hear me? Yes, we can okay In healthy aging there are two basic Things that we need to consider both the need to receive And the need to give with bond farm co-housing community We can receive By sharing the work of home maintenance and operations things like Appliances and technology We can share the pet care for neighbors when needed We can share the use of cars and shopping trips And we can give to others which Create self-empowerment We can help By assisting our neighbors and whatever needs they have And a moment's notice Which is real hard if you're just living in separate houses on a regular block We can share our skills our knowledges The personal histories we have that will build a sense of home and family among the members of the community And then for young families We Can help with child care and become Enquotes grandparents and have grandkids relationships There at the community On a natural basis where we are there to support the parents and the kids and the kids are there to support Us as well with their Delightful growing up processes This builds character and knowledge and understanding in all of us and We know that it's going to be a very well developed structurally and socially community as it's Peter Spaulding has developed it over the years and Everyone has that has been involved as had a Has been a participant in Sharing their opinions and skills in the development of the community We appreciate your call man. We're well over three minutes, but we appreciate you calling in and speaking on this matter Thank you. All right. Thank you. All right. Is that it or is there one more? Mayor we have one last caller Caller 418 i'm going to ask you to unmute caller 418 Caller 418 there you are Yeah, this is stan toll. Uh, I didn't really know I didn't don't have the exact thing that comes To comment on on on these particular issues here All right. Okay. Thanks stan appreciate it All right, let's go ahead and close the the the public hearing on ordinance 2020-49 Um scene of councillor christensen Um, yeah, I just have a few comments um Well, I have one question for peter spaulding After that he can answer after this. Um I've been hearing about the I was very very enthused about this for quite some time I've been hearing about this for 10 years I believe And I do wish them good luck. I do think it has the potential to be something really Wonderful and creative and interesting I would ask the people involved to be very cognizant of the fact that they are changing that neighborhood forever from one that was semi rural where people walk their dogs and Um Looked out over a wide landscape now. They will be looking at houses and so, um, I would just ask people to be cognizant of that and Uh, really make friends with the neighborhood not just your own community um, I would also like to uh, I would also like, um, Mr. Spaulding to Uh Explain why they were not able to Actually put in the pedestrian path That would have been really an asset to the neighborhood in 10 years Mr. Spaulding Good evening, uh, Mary Bagley and city council members Um, yeah, so for uh, you're the first part of your comments As far as making friends with the neighbors currently, um I have hope for so we started this project in 2015 the concept plan was approved in 2016 And uh, since then I have opened up the property Uh for their for the neighbors to walk their animals on our property So I've already engaged with many of the neighbors and they all know who I am and they all know the level of transparency I've offered to them Um And that's one of the reasons why we're donating the park is so that they do have access prior to me coming Bringing this project to the city of Longmont No one was able to really enjoy the land or walk the land at all So they were only along to we're only able to walk their Dogs or to walk the neighborhood along spruce avenue Um, I thought we were going to be doing a presentation But the one of the reasons or the reasons why we can't do the northwest trail on the west side There are several issues. Um One you all know that those properties on the west boundary are boulder county so, um that Opposes that's right. That's right. Yeah, both properties on both side of frances street are boulder county They haven't been annexed into longmont yet So there's going to be an additional review criteria there for us for the new infrastructure When we originally proposed the trail it was a five foot wide crush gravel trail that we were going to do and um over time In order to meet code the city want really wanted a 10 foot wide concrete road And that just didn't fly at all with the neighbors So in response to that, um, I asked, uh, the hildebrands public works myself And my design team all to come together and we met At the planning department and we all came up with a feasible plan and uh, so in In our presentation this evening, um Susan can you bring that up? Ava is it time for for us to go ahead and do that or? Uh, sure. Yes. Um council members and mayor we we did have a staff presentation and an applicant presentation I'm willing to wave mine. Uh, if you don't need any background And so susan if you'd like to queue up, uh, peters PowerPoint So go to the next page, please So this is just a aerial perspective Basically, it shows the layout of our design the future city park the area where we'll be doing the community supported agriculture It's a 46 unit development for affordable units Six live work units 36 residential units and 8,000 square feet of amenities Uh, next slide, please Next slide, please. Thank you Hang on just a minute for some reason it was stuck on pause. Let's do that again Do you see it now? Yes So I want to concentrate on the graphic. Um in the bottom right corner Uh, you can see where bond farm and pro housing community property is in the gray and then the colored area is the um the future city park And the lines going east and west from bond farm are the existing trails So there's a 40 foot elevation change from the southwest portion of our property to the northwest portion of our property And that grade um exceeds 15. So it's really not a safe grade. Um so working with uh natural resources parks and natural resources We all came up with a plan If you look up at the graphic on the right where it has the blow up portion there's a Bond farm neighborhood association park that's managed by managed by the neighbors That white line that's going through the park is the existing gravel So the city so what we worked out as an alternative to having the The northwest trail along the west boundary of our property Is to go ahead and turn that crushed gravel Pathway and do all the survey work on that site and then add the existing concrete five-foot wide trail That would connect bond farm co-housing community To the west side of the future city park and then we would continue the sidewalk from the east side of this future city park And carry it to grant street and that meets all the 88 requirements So we feel that that's a a much better design If you go to the next slide, please So having worked with the hildebrands public works and our design team, this was an acceptable plan for the hildebrands and mark von wagner and the other two properties that Are in the cul-de-sac south of our property Mm-hmm. Thank you. We have been I'm sorry Thank you. I think that's this is a good explanation of the difficulties Yeah, so the so they wanted something that was much more green and not so intrusive on their property So this was the design that we came up with right along the entire Process over the last couple years I've been working with mark who has the property north of the hildebrands and We all agreed that this was probably the best design and least intrusive on their property because they are very concerned about their property values so Having worked with public works, the planning department Has agreed to this design and it was passed by the planning and zoning commission unanimously so We're confident that all the parties feel that this is a good design and we feel that The route that would take pedestrians To the east to grand street and down grand street to first avenue is Is the safest and best route for the local pedestrians and then also We did a pedestrian study with the traffic study and I have brian horn on the line who's our traffic engineer and The the pedestrian traffic is actually very light here along spruce so And my office faces the road so I've been I know all the people that walk by here and the quantity of people that walk by So we basically came down to a decision to make this proposal and It's been accepted by like I said planning and zoning All right. Thank you, peter. Thank you. All right. Does that answer your question? Yes, thank you All right The uh, let's see here All right, we've already had the public hearing on this matter So do you want to commotion somebody? I will move ordinance 2020-49 All right, it's been moved and seconded myself the councilman martin seconded it all in favor say I All right. All right Opposed say nay. All right ordinance 2020-49 passes unanimously All right, let's move on to the items that we pulled from the consent agenda a I believe and g were it a Councilman christensen. Let's start with a ordinance 2020-51 of billford nornton's making additional appropriations Okay, I'm not sure that um This includes what I wanted to discuss I I I wanted to make a few comments about 529 jump funding Which I believe is part of this is that correct or not? No, no, I don't think so Jim Sorry, uh, no, it's not this is a Uh, additional appropriations ordinance for 2020 and it concerns the windy gap firming project Oh, okay. All right. So paul if we could have you make those comments either Um during mayor and councilmember comments at the end of the meeting or if you want us to discuss something in the future Yeah, you can talk about it early next meeting During the appropriate time or just talk to me and text me and say hey, I'd like to put this on the agenda 100 of the time anyone has ever asked me to put something on the agenda. I have so all right, um, Okay, you want to be mayor? Yeah, harold We actually wanted to pull this to staff for like a two slide presentation on the numbers on this one Nope. No, go ahead throw it up Becky All right, I don't know. I think jill is going to say something here, but I am so um as uh, becky gets ready to present this item Mayor bagley and members of city council staff thought it was important to Take just a couple of minutes Uh, if you read the appropriation on its face, we don't believe it's really clear With regards to the actions that are happening on the windy gap firming project This appropriation is one that the council needs to consider ahead of us Bringing to you on november 10th Uh, the windy gap allotment contracts and the escrow agreement Along with the transfer of capacity to both loveland and fort lepton And so, uh, I think it's important to both for the public and for council's understanding To take just a couple of minutes and I think becky can walk us through about two slides to to make that clear Great. Yes. Good evening, mayor and council members and becky doyle assistant director of business services Next slide susan Awesome. So we just have two quick tables of numbers here When we last spoke about the windy gap firming project in august We were talking about this Line here or this column here in the middle Where the total contribution from the city to the project would be 55.8 million dollars Uh, which included an accounting of our previous contributions to the project as well as an estimated future contribution of just under 48 million The contract that you will see on november 10th along with the second reading of this appropriation ordinance shows that we uh have a future contribution to the project of 49.98 million And uh, additionally, we are now accounting for the the reimbursement that we have received for our sunk costs for the transferred capacity to PRPA which was completed when we moved from 10,000 acre feet to 8,000 acre feet As well as the transfers to levin and fort lepton that will be approved. Uh, that will be on the agenda on november 10th so All of those things taken together The total cost has gone from 55.8 million to 56.3. So there is a small cost increase overall of 546 thousand dollars which is Approximately one percent of the total project cost So, uh, next slide, please So, why are you seeing if the project cost is increased 500 000 dollars? Why is the appropriation request for 4.8 million? Uh, along with um getting to the actual number that we will need to provide to uh to the project after execution Of the allotment contract. Um, we're also rebalancing which funds that money is coming from So there are four funding sources that we're using to pay for the project Uh, the first listed here is water cash acquisition And that has a revenue source of cash and loom of water rights Received as as property is platted in the city And that can only be used for expanding water supply So we need to use as much as possible for that. It's on this supply project And since we last appropriated funds for the project an additional Approximately a million dollars has become available in that fund balance. So that's the first number over in the right That's part of the appropriation request um No change to the raw water storage fund Which can only be used for storage projects such as this And then the water construction fund Is a funding source that has revenues that come from system development fees As new properties become part of the water utility We also had additional available fund balance there. And so we're increasing the contribution from that fund So what that means is that the approved water bonds that the electors Approved in 2017 Um, we had allocated 35.58 from those bonds To be part of the project costs But as you can see the required contribution from the bonds actually decreases To get to our total 49.98 million And what that means is that increasing those other funding sources Decreases the the amount of debt that's required to finance the project in full Thereby decreasing burdens on rate payers So And that's all I have there All right, great, uh polly would you like to make a motion on ordinance 2020 dash council member peck Thank you. I just have a couple of questions. Becky the very first slide said there was uh Fort lupton was in that ball. Can you explain one more time what what fort lumped in is doing? Are we selling water to fort lupton? You're muted dale um council member peck What's happening is when the council decided to go from 8000 to 7500 acre feet in the project That 500 acre foot adjustment The city has been able to Convey that if you will to both a portion of it to fort lupton and a portion of it to the city of loveland And so those two entities are paying us and you'll see that on november 10th For their uh, we're at a share of our sunk cost. Okay, that makes sense. Thank you for that Paulie you pulled it. You want to make the motion or do you want somebody else to do that? Somebody else. All right. I'll move ordinance 2020-51 All right, it's been moved by myself seconded by council member martin all in favor of ordinance 2020-51 say aye. Aye, aye Opposed say nay All right, uh, that ordinance 2020-51 passes unanimously. Paulie you are tazmer christensen Let's move on to 10g ordinance 2020-57 a bill for norman cementing chapter 11 of the Yeah junk or abandoned vehicles okay once again I'm not voting for this um Once again, we refer to sleeper vehicles if you google sleeper vehicle It states that a sleeper vehicle is one that is both economical and high powered It has nothing It's an erroneous term and it confuses things we need to put at the beginning Well, that's one objection We need to define What we're doing what we're supposed to be doing here is trying to fix the problem of people living And residing and sleeping in their vehicles on the street But we're not doing that. We're basically making everything every rv illegal And then working it back to make it mostly it's illegal, but you have to come down and you have to get a permit and then Just state what you're trying to do it is illegal to if this is what we want to do it is illegal to live reside and Sleep in your vehicle on the streets of longmont if that's what we want to do then we should say that Secondly, we need to define what kind of vehicles Which would be it's later on down here at the bank at the end it says It does list a number of vehicles and it should also say or any vehicle converted to be used to sleep in I just I think that this whole thing is a mess. We have not fixed the problem of This being under junked and uh, well, it's called abandoned or publicly kept vehicles Most people don't really understand what a publicly kept vehicle is And we also still have the uh ordinance in here about unregistered vehicles being junked vehicles I thought we had agreed that we were going to separate out vehicles with expired plates as Not something subject to towing. I know some people think that they're not towed. They're towed They're not it's not Evenly enforced it is unevenly enforced against people who are poor And that's wrong I'm not voting for this till it's straightened out All right, that was the I you are right that we did decide and talk about unregistered vehicles being labeled as junk vehicles But that's a that's a different ordinance Well, it isn't it's in here Okay, I guess my I've got a question for for mr. Hole My question is uh councilmember christensen pointed out Or has brought up some questions about the definitions and looking at google. Does the statute clearly define those terms? My opinion it does. Okay. All right. I'm going to go ahead and move uh ordinance 2020-57 Second All right, it's been moved and seconded. Let's go ahead and have debate on the matter councilmember pick Um, I have some questions about this. I'm going to go back to the uh ordinance. Um, and if you go to uh page one section two line 16 um It says something about hold on Oh, where where it says street ellie or other right of way Can you tell me if right away include includes city of longmont public parks and public trail heads because I remember specifically amending that motion to include that So what does right of way mean? My interpretation is that the public property section in the very first term covers all of the things that you just talked about Any vehicle parked on public property? Including and so the including doesn't is not an exhaustive list It's any anything that falls under public property. And so the trail heads fall into public property in the same way Okay, um Okay, hold on. I also have page two section one, uh where you say any vehicle It starts out any vehicle other than a sleeper vehicle left on public property And including any portion of my highway street all your right away for 48 hours or longer Um, when you say any vehicle are you talking about? any car Whether any car in long month that is left on public property on a public street is uh Not allowed for over 48 hours And I apologize for the confusion here that that's in the current code. It got reshuffled. So it looks like a new edition But that's that's just in the current code and been moved around That's how I am going to make a motion then that we uh remove this It is very or we reword it. It's very confusing For example, when you say any vehicle if I leave there are many many Sections of this town that do not have garages and they park on public right in front of their house on the road I find that this This little paragraph here is not equitable to our city it It targets The lower east side and the lower west side of the older homes that do not have any garages Or any place to park if they if they are gone for A weekend if they are home for the weekend or three days for three-day holiday and they don't move that car Then this subjects them to being towed or ticketed And I don't think we should leave this up to the discretion of our public safety department to decide whether to tow that That vehicle or not it does There's no way to to say that that owner of that house also owns the car parked in front of their street So, um, I think this is a problem. We need to uh You just need to remove it. It doesn't make any sense any vick any vehicle except for a sleeper vehicle All right. Well, there's currently a motion on the table. I guess my my uh My comments are councilor peck. It would be just as easily What if I take my car and I park in front of their house? For longer than 48 hours and they can't get any parking because I parked my car there If we you are you were a member of council if I remember correctly you voted for this No, that's not a that's not I'm not questioning you. I mean what I'm saying is we we debated this and we didn't want cars Parked on the street. I remember I wanted 72 hours and then I believe the jeff more that made the motion to go to 48 And uh, we we made it 48 out fitted 48 I would not be opposed to revisiting the matter But not not necessarily tonight in this particular motion I wouldn't have a problem bringing it up in the future me me first Well, this is what this is what first ordinance is about mayor bagley And yes, I did vote for this but as we have moved forward It's time to look at what is not working in our ordinances and this is the time to do it On first ordinance Do we do we uh all vote to let this ordinance go through and then we bring it back again Seven or eight months that to me doesn't make any sense. Um, what why would we do that? This is the time to look at this draft And decide whether we want to vote for it as is Or do we Right, I guess I guess my this is other than Um, has anybody gotten any complaint from anybody? About a 48 hour time limit or parking in our streets I mean councilor christ is you're nodding your head, but who when where I I haven't heard of one I constantly get complaints All right, so that was that was the other one. Um All right, so there's a motion on the floor Okay And uh councilor christensen I am I also think That we agreed that we would not that this would be taking place January 1st or something that we would not Bring this forth until we had actually tried to find locate places where Um People who are now living in rvs could relocate Right means talking to Both boulder county and willed county um all of the rv parks are Hooked up solid for any foreseeable future And new ones are not being built And we have no uh I don't know that we have talked to world county I don't know that we have talked Uh at length with um boulder county So I think we should table this until we have actually Done something about that Let's hear from mr. Hole The last section of the ordinance that's the effective data january 1st So it's not a code change, but it's the last section of the ordinance and so the uh Would Anyway, thank you. All right. Is there anybody else who wants to speak for against this councilor martin? Yeah, I just have a bunch of questions to clarify about this So we um Have the effective date of the ordinance Uh to be january 1st, which means that we have not been able to arrange Any place off the streets for sleeper vehicles to park So the solution is just to let them Um Exist under the present ordinance for another two months. Is that what you're saying? But let me jump in and go ahead harrell answer a couple of these questions that came out So and I may ask karen to jump in with me on this conversation So the first piece is We have had conversations with boulder county This did go to Karen if you can help me the hsbc Um HSBC I'll let karen get into the executive board of the hsbc um they did not support the request of Using the fairgrounds, but they brought other options in play that they wanted to to put forward So that was one piece the item still has to go to the boulder county commissioners Within the next few weeks that obviously got caught up with the work that they boulder county was doing with the fire Um jan and I did touch base late last night And so it'll be in the next few weeks when that goes to the commissioners for them to consider and talk about That's one piece The piece on the other side that I think councilmember christianson was talking about was the individual who wanted to expand his Um existing location that was in will county We we have connected with that individual Um, and we are setting up a meeting with him so that we can help facilitate a conversation with will county on that issue So we have Had both of those conversations Karen do you want to add what hsbc has put forward? Uh, sure. Thanks. Thanks herald mayor and city council. So the um so the as herald mentioned that the The executive board of the homeless solutions for boulder county did not support using the fairgrounds in in the way that um that was requested but um, but but a couple of things that the Um boulder county did submit um for long months Um, a couple of things one was a proposal as part of the emergency solutions grant that was submitted in on October 23rd for $180,000 for um for bridge housing and basically for paying for hotel space for Um for folks who needed temporary housing That certainly would apply to people who would be impacted by this particular ordinance who are currently using their sleeper vehicles on public property for um for living um, the second thing is and and we The county should hear by mid november whether or not they were successful in receiving that grant So we don't know. Um, if they are successful in receiving that grant what the Um, what the executive board is going to recommend to the commissioners Is that the county figure out a way or explore a way to upfront those dollars? Uh, so that um, we would have access to those funds sooner as opposed to later to Help people who would be impacted by this particular ordinance Sometimes it takes a few months to um to execute a contract with the state And so that was their recommendation Was to um upfront those funds if indeed the state did grant the funds to boulder county um, and the second piece of that grant was Um was also to fund an outreach team That would um, that would certainly continue to work in in longmont Um similar to what they've implemented in the city of boulder An outreach team that would really work more specifically with people experiencing homelessness to help get folks into housing and exited from homeless on a on a more To be continue to look at outreach efforts to get people into housing that have been Difficult to get into housing. So that's the recommendation from the executive board Then again, we go to the county commissioners. The chairl had mentioned what will probably be happening After the first part of november So I had several other questions um Related to this One of them is Residents have called in one resident in particular has called in And asked a question that I suspect other RV or sleeper vehicle dwellers have Which is what happens to the vehicle in particular One person has more than once expressed the sentiments that his vehicle would be confiscated and that he would be jailed Can I have some because i'm pretty sure nobody's going to be jailed? um for being homeless we don't do that but Um, I'd like to hear somebody say it. What's going to happen to the vehicles and what's going to happen to the person? Hi, uh, this is jeff sadder mayor council um, I did ask don to load a form but On police and code enforcement We do tag these vehicles. I got an example of It's in spanish and english Uh, we would continue that practice As an example Most of our abandoned vehicles and junk vehicles are complaint based as mayor bagley stated It's parked in front of somebody's home There are hundreds of miles of roadway in our city and our officers don't have An idea of whether a car belongs out of house or not It's usually based on a complaint from Someone in that neighborhood about a vehicle So we tagged the vehicle in 2019 with cars We tagged 2000 or i'm sorry, we've responded on 2417 abandoned vehicle complaints and In 2019 or i'm sorry in 2020 we've responded to 1796 abandoned vehicle complaints in 2020 we have towed 30 cars and in 2020 in 2019 we towed 61 So most of the people have complied with the request to move their vehicle Uh, after it was tagged or notified and again, it's not officers Finding these vehicles. It's based on a complaint from a neighbor or somebody pointing out and saying there's a car that's been parked in front of my house for Multiple days. Could you please come in and check on it? um, we do the same thing with rvs and We use that same form and we would continue to use that form so if we did notify the owner of an rv that their Uh, rv or sleeper vehicle was illegally parked. They would have an opportunity to move that vehicle to another location um That what the city ordinance says that they should not move it to another public street in our city, but they should find somewhere else there's uh, there's our Uh tag right there if you want to look at it But we do give lots of warning and Because of the busyness we often do not come back for a day or two or three sometimes before we can get back to those vehicles but currently we we repeatedly tag and Chase these vehicles around as you know, uh, we get a lot of complaints about these rvs being parked at different locations and Trashing the neighborhoods and concerns about all kinds of Of issues associated with those vehicles. So we would be tagging them, but we uh, we don't arrest people for For this ordinance we would impound the vehicle so So i'm gonna Couple of specific answers to the so him can someone go to jail for this And the way the code's written Jeff that i'm aware of I'm not aware of anybody's ever gone to jail for an abandoned vehicle So that that's the the first question that I think councilmember martin asked I think the second question's a little bit harder to answer because it also depends on the condition of the rv in whether it's movable or And it's condition at the end of the day because if you remember Some of the issues we have With some of the rvs is they're not in operating condition They have issues in terms of their graywater systems, which is contaminating the streets And and so the condition of that vehicle is going to be a significant part of the conversation In in terms of of how we deal with it and If if go ahead and count marshes. Yeah, i'm sorry. I had a list Um if the vehicle is contaminating the streets or if the Vehicle dweller is caught in the act of either dumping trash or sewage In the streets, how is that different than tagging a vehicle? So i'm going to look to Nathan on on that issue Because it does get into our storm water permanent permitting as well, but nathan if you were to see somebody dumping graywater What would you do? absolutely councilmember martin and mayor and council one of the I think the the trick here is that yes, we do have specific codes that would govern both Illegal dumping and littering and that kind of an offense that we might be able to observe Either in person or by witness accounts or by surveillance camera footage or something like that and that's its own code Same with any kind of potential discharge in the storm train system. Those are those those are those already that already exist in the code That would carry any potential number of fines or summons into court depending on the most appropriate Depending on the situation would dictate how that enforcement route would go but What we've learned from experience is that Almost never do we have significant evidence to follow through with any of those violations To to say okay, we've got probable cause of proof beyond a reasonable doubt To issue a specific person Because oftentimes there are more than one person living in an RV to issue a specific person Assumments into court or a fine and so enforcement of those particular codes becomes extremely difficult And it's pretty rare to have that be the case Yeah, I get a lot of complaints about that because no matter how many videos or photos or You know time lapse Photography no matter what people have got it's never seems to be sufficient evidence So maybe you could edify the public right now by Explaining what would be sufficient evidence because I really don't like it that people are getting away with this I Agree, and I think that again depending on the situation Any any member of combination of sources of evidence whether it's a combination of witness testimony and really good surveillance camera footage That might capture a person's face or lead them to specific identity. We have to identify that person And A combination of officer observation all of that goes into What we would use to issue a sentence So I think Sorry, I couldn't mute it when I was sneezing Clear clear video of the person so they can identify the person's face without any I mean, it's got to be really clear. They've got to be able to identify license plate numbers I know when we were we were struggling with a couple of alleys We've even tried to place those and it was difficult even in what we used to get enough to find the illegal dumping that was occurring And of course the the burden of proof is on us to to to come to that evidence So, you know, we have to present all that Beyond a reasonable doubt and that poses a very high standard Officer observation does that mean an officer has to has to observe it no matter how good the other evidence is Not necessarily Of course, if there's other evidence that is significant that causes that rise to the level of proof beyond reasonable doubt Then absolutely we'll use that evidence But oftentimes it's difficult oftentimes we're not presented with that And some of the best cases would come Some of the most definitive cases would come from officer observation Where I physically have to see that person Identify that person and say yeah, I watched them commit x y and z offense And that's very rare So time out. So mr. Holt mr. Holt Can you just please address the punishments that are in the statute? We're talking theory and enforcement in the statute. What does the statute say is the punishment for this particular ordinance that we're about to vote on? So the punishment section hasn't Really been amended from the previous section. It's just the the length of time someone can have be parked on the public street So it's a civil punishment. It is not Boom, so there's no right. So I mean this conversation is completely irrelevant. I'm losing my I'm losing my patience so uh Dr. Waters, let's go with you Marsha, were you finished? No, and it's not irrelevant. We stopped talking about whether people were going to be jailed a long time ago We're talking about whether people were going to be apprehended for this crime or find or whatever And that's not a good by point is it's not a criminal statute. No, it's not a criminal statute No one settled that a long time ago Right. So what I'm saying is that so I mean the conversations. I mean, it's basically if the vehicle is there It's a vehicle. It's a vehicle civil issue And apparently in the case of dumping it's a personal civil issue and the license plates aren't good enough and that's important All right. Let's keep keep going marsha, but you're you're you're well over 20 minutes, but keep going All right, dr. Waters All right real quick, uh, can we oh we it seems to be like we need to bifurcate a couple of issues What is what are we doing with abandoned vehicles? Whether they're rvs or not And then and then how does the ordinance treat rvs that are not abandoned in which people are living? So if I could sort that Jf, I heard you say that over the last uh, what 12 In 10 22 months There have been 91 vehicles Uh that were a band that had been towed Correct Now I heard in an earlier council meeting a council member a reference that the city should have no business towing vehicles If those if the city was not towing vehicles, what would the status of those 91 vehicles be tonight? well, uh, they would still be on the street as I suspect and uh, that's not including the other 4 000 that either got tagged or the officer responded on so those also might still be in that Same location if somebody had not Notified the vehicle owner that it needed to be moved So, um, I've heard that a vehicle that is not licensed is not necessarily abandoned and I and I understand that and I would agree with that um, but it's is it safe to assume that most Of abandoned vehicles are not Are not registered or not licensed. I mean just because it's not licensed Doesn't mean it's not abandoned. You could have an unlicensed abandoned vehicle And then if the city doesn't tow it, it's going to sit in front of somebody's house For how long? Until somebody tags it moves it on a lot of times the vehicle has You know broken down and they're not doing anything with it Occasionally it's a steel that hasn't been found yet. So Shannon I think had some answers to that. Well, and I all my point is Uh, I don't think we did agree. We talked we talked about abandoned vehicles But I don't I didn't I don't ever recall agreeing to taking that out of this ordinance. All right that section um So for my from my understanding is that if a vehicle is abandoned if a vehicle hasn't moved And and there's a complaint And it's sitting in front of somebody's house licensed or not If you can identify that vehicle attached to that home You might you're going to advise somebody or you know that They do have a complaint but that vehicle goes with that home. Is that correct? But that is not going to get towed That's correct. We would also probably notify the person that called in this complaint say that's your neighbor's vehicle So so now let me take that same concept and apply it to RVs In RV that's parked in some in front of somebody's home That belongs to that homeowner and they're loading or unloading They have 72 hours To do the unloading and loading and unloading no harm no foul, correct? 48 Right now they're supposed to be actively unloading and loading but they but they get those 72 hours They have a homeowner Can for for now if we pass this ordinance for 25 dollars Get a permit to have the RV of a family member or a friend In front of their home for a week and they can renew that for four weeks. So if they could for a month During a calendar year have the RV of a homeowner A homeowner of a family member or a friend in front of their home for up to up to a month With a 25 dollar a week permit. Is that correct? Correct I see a council member shaking their head. No, that's what this law says correct In one whole that is Let me go one more step You have a homeowner who owns an RV Parked in front of their home not loading or unloading And you get a Jeff you get a complaint From a neighbor who doesn't like the fact that the RV is parked in front of that homeowner's home Um, you get the complaint you show up or code enforcement shows up Um, do you give that homeowner a pass or do you enforce the ordinance with that homeowner? We would contact a homeowner and say we've had a complaint about your RV and ask them to move it as soon as possible How how is that different than an RV that's there that's not owned by that homeowner? How do you differentiate or do you enforce because that's one of the complaints we've heard And and and this appointment and council members that we haven't raised this question How do you how do you enforce that ordinance differently? For the owner of the RV Who's parked For longer than 48 hours and with great given the current ordinance in front of the home of someone in town or you know, wherever it's parked Well under the ordinance Both persons have an obligation to move their RV Do you enforce it the same way with the homeowner as you would? The the the RV owner Who's not the homeowner in front who doesn't own the home in front of the which the RV is parked? Yes, right. We would have that conversation and say here's the ordinance Uh, you're not unloading or loading you would need to move your RV as soon as possible You'll be in violation at ordinance and let you have the permit So you don't differentiate you enforce it the same Whether it's owned by a homeowner and there's a complaint or it's it's not owned by the homeowner And it's simply parked in front of that homeowner's home correct All right, I'm gonna move from RVs to The kind of the related concern here about homelessness. Karen. Are you still available? Karen roney. Yes, I'm available. Yes, I am So earlier today, I got a I got an email from a resident Um, and I may we may have all received it Um Asking the question. How is what we're proposing to do anything other than harassing our homeless population? What's your response to that? It's viewed this is viewed by someone is harassing our homeless population Well, uh mayor and counsel what I would say is that this ordinance is really about getting Junked and abandoned vehicles RV vehicles off the street And not so they can't park in public public property. So it's really about where vehicles can be parked They cannot be a park in public property That's what this is about and So that's what this is about. I'll stop there Somebody's in an RV. I know I'm on the clock, but yeah, I've heard 20 minutes. I'm with my time's up Somebody is living in an RV who would like to be in permanent housing What will you do to help get them in the permanent housing? so So what we have indicated is that we would and we would do outreach this next couple of months Before this takes place if you passed it and we would work with that that individual or who individuals in that situation and we would work to Link them up and get them into into housing. And so that is what we would be doing So what if it's stable housing rather than sleeping in? And if somebody is in their RV and doesn't want you to help them get into stable housing We can't force anything. Yeah Um, but but that person would be notified or advised that they have a limited time To have that RV Parked and after january 1st that couldn't be parked on a public and certainly our interest would be working with individuals to Hopefully build a relationship and work toward a housing option So talk just a little bit then about your outreach effort Because because there was an assertion in an email exchange that well the city doesn't do any outreach It's just this is just a way to you know to keep moving homeless along um You talked about a homeless outreach team How much do we know about the population living in our v's today? by circumstance And by choice So what I would say how I would answer that is today We do have outreach efforts. We have hope has uh Andy Schwartz who does regular outreach. We have um our Individual that works for the bolder shelter for the homeless that does Coordinated entry diversion and also does outreach and we also have our some of our officers that do That do outreach and so that's our team now And so we would rally that team and that we would continue to do Outreach that that's happening today. You have a good idea of Who is in an RV? By by circumstance who would like to be in housing In in who's in an RV by by choice? It doesn't want To be in in in other kinds of housing. Is that fair right and we would continue to do that We've been continue to do that at outreach that we have and as I mentioned earlier. We do have a proposal For additional monies again. That's in the future. Maybe that we could then continue to Um actually enhance our outreach efforts So our our goal would be certainly to help people who are Living in their RVs and they're there by circumstance. They are looking for housing We would we we will be working with them to get them into um housing with our system Thanks. All right. I'll just listen now All right councilmember peck Thank you So my question right now is to jeff sadder um jeff You came to us Two years ago actually needing help with the fact that You don't have the resources To work with this homeless homeless popular. I'm sorry With the people living in there not abandoned not junk people living in their RVs Um, we don't have the resources for that and you came to us for help Um does this ordinance as it stands address that? I believe it does and I think shannon stadler and nathan would also agree But yes, it does help because it it's I think stops the duplication of chasing these These vehicles all over town multiple multiple times So now my next question is to karen and herald um So people who want to get out of their RVs because they do not want to live in them Are going to go into coordinated entry, which is perfect. That's what we asked for Um, but there's a queue for that. There's a queue for housing. There is a lot of demand for those vouchers My question is because I feel you you are saying correct me if I'm wrong not not you karen or herald But there are now 91. Did you say vehicles? Um People living in vehicles on our streets now. Did I hear that correctly? from somebody I think that was jeff talking about numbers that we have seen Okay, I don't know if that's today gotta clarify. I'm the one that threw the number out I heard jeff talk about 60 vehicles have been towed in 2019 correct and 31 have been towed this year about some which someone had complained And after having gone through all of the stuff they go through in terms of noticing Ultimately, it towed those 91 vehicles. My question really was about if we hadn't told them What would have happened to them? That was a question. Okay. So thank you councilman waters for clarifying that So so what I because I heard 91 at the beginning of this conversation in september We said the number was 60. So I thought oh my gosh We're exploding with people living in our v's so, um Karen again, my question to you is If people who want to transition to housing living in our v's It takes seven or eight months Maybe longer because of the queue Because this is kind of what happened with homelessness is that We we ended up with a coordinated entry Not on purpose But because of our expanding homelessness having a gap Of people and and this is what I do Do not want the city to have Is a gap of people living on our streets in their RVs without access to any utilities dumping stations or anything That was my proposal for the safe lot as a transition area So that we knew that if you didn't want to be in this safe lot You were not committed to being in a home And having a case worker halving has helped you find a job Everybody else who didn't want to take that on Could not be in our city living on the streets and That is what I wanted through this to address as we are Ending up with evacuees perhaps with climate migrants. We don't know it is a way To look ahead before we are just And that was the initial conversation. So I I heard Harold say that he is working With the county and Having more discussions on safe lots But all I but I don't hear you saying that Karen so Is our city all on the same board On board with the same plan or not Because this is um to me, this is the whole it's a whole package deal for me it isn't just Hyperbole that and and I I think it makes it really hard for our public safety department Anybody can they want to live in a house but not really want to not get on board with the program so If I can jump in real quick. So when I say I've talked to jana, I want to reiterate that Karen is talking to her counterpart and elli burto is engaged in this so we're all in that conversation And we're in the other conversation in will county um I think the thing that I'm going to bring ever, you know, when we talked about this. I think the motion was needed to be into Conversation needed to be in coordinated entry Correct needed to continue to be part of coordinated entry in terms of what we were doing And those were two big pieces. Um I remember when we brought joseph in on the first part of the conversation and when he talked about The people living in rvs and how a majority of them didn't want to be Um in a coordinated entry program that was changing a little bit based on what we were seeing so I think the challenge that we're facing as as a community It's a couple things um One the issue in the rvs that i'm hearing from jeff and um code enforcement is um A part of the conversation of The moving around in the chasing and then we get the calls from the neighborhoods and we continue To do that through the community. So that was the genesis of this right As we look at this And karen jump in with me. I think What we've heard from the council and I think what we're committed to Is is really the coordinated entry program and ensuring that if people want to Exit homelessness That we try to get them into the coordinated entry program Which ties to the additional revenue that karen's working on in terms of bridge housing in in those pieces And so that's a component of it I think the motion was also that if We could use the The fairgrounds and that obviously got complicated because the one thing we said If there's a fire becomes a problem. Well, sure enough It would have been a disaster had we had folks there during all of this um Was that they had to be in that coordinated entry program and so again it ties back into that So I think that's how we were trying to approach it um I think the challenge is and and this is the conversation now with the other individual In terms of expanding their park. They're still going to have to pay For a spot And I think that's partially at the crux of this too is that Right now There's no payment in that and I think You know the question we all have to think about is If we do something to create spots and our conversation with the individual was if we can work with them I think he even said he would look at Dedicating spots for long lines Will people pay to use those spots? Then that and that's a different question Karen did I miss anything? All right, I think I think everybody's spoken at least two times except for susie And erin do you two have anything to say on this matter? All right, erin. Okay. All right. So we've got a motion on the floor. So let's go ahead and vote um, the motion is passing basically the most than is three states It's item 9g approving on first reading ordinance 2020-57 a bill for an ordinance emitting chapter 11 I want me to go in on vehicles abandoned kept on public property or jumped or jumped public carrying the second reading scheduled for november 10th 2020 So we will have the chance to talk about this again All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye Opposed say nay Hey Hey All right, the motion carries four to three With myself councilmember waters councilmember redargo fairing and mayor pro to margaritas Four. All right. Thank you. That was a good discussion All right, let's move on to um General business I'm gonna move that we recessed the long want city council and convenes the board of directors the long want general improvement district number one second All right. It's been moved and seconded by councilmember martin All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed say nay All right, the motion carries we are now acting as the long want city and not no longer as the long want city council But as the board of directors the long want general improvement district number one resolution lgid 2020-05 a resolution Fixing and levying taxes on the real and personal property within the long want general improvement district number one for the year 2020 to pay budget expenses the district for the 2021 fiscal year This is the same question councilmember peck had before it is not increasing taxes. It is just fixing and levying them Do we have a motion? I will move resolution lgid 2020-05 All right Move by me seconded by councilmember christensen I'm seeing no further dialogue debate or questions all in favor Of resolution lgid 2020-05 say aye. Aye. Aye Opposed say nay All right the motion the resolution carries unanimously I'm going to move that we adjourn as the long want general improvement district number one board of directors and reconvene as the long want city council back All right, that's was I think that was councilmember peck, but I made the motion councilmember peck seconded All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye Opposed say nay All right, the that motion carries unanimously And then finally ordinance 2020-50, which is 12d by the way a bill for an ordinance amending title 10 chapter 10.24 Creating new section 097 the law means to code create a temporary prohibition on rental late fees due to covet 19 related hardship It was tabled after the introduction on october 13 2020 and it is now back And I believe that the issue was we wanted to hear about some unintended possible unintended consequences if there were any Who has a presentation? Karen you popped up on my screen. I imagine that's you mr. That is me So thank you mayor and city council so the um So so basically yes, this was this item was tabled And there were a couple of uh things that the um that council wanted to see number one To get input From the from both property owners and tenants about the possible impacts of this particular proposed ordinance We did and we had a we issued a We basically had a survey the survey results are in your We included those in your packet in a powerpoint presentation and Don't plan to go over those unless you would like uh staff to go over those but um, but that information is in your packet The other two things that have happened since this particular ordinance was proposed ordinance was table Was one we did receive the results of the governor's task force Um, basically the special Eviction prevention task force so that report was uh issued and made available to the public in mid october and uh shortly thereafter the governor did issue an executive order which basically um prohibited uh late fees from property owners for Assessing late fees for late rental payments So that is now an executive order So what council was trying to do with this particular local ordinance Was uh is now an executive order issued by the governor that that uh prohibits late fees from being assessed through the end of December of 2020 so So anyhow, so basically I think council has uh several options, but it sounds like that the governor's order Based on the recommendation from the task force does accomplish what We understood that city council wanted to do with this local ordinance So it seemed like council could either decide to um not move far with this ordinance since the executive order Accomplishes that or you can provide other direction to staff as you wish Council member christensen Since I brought this forth, um, I suggest that we table this until um The governor's uh ban on late fees um expires and then reconsider whether Depending upon whether the what the circumstances are second I say into the two, but I said you can have The marcia. All right, so the motion was to table this issue until after the governor's executive order expires um including any renewal on his part council member christensen Then We can continue to table it Because uh, yeah, I'm comfortable with that. I also would like to point out something though. Um The initially the only people who are being interviewed were the landlords It was only because I requested that tenants be interviewed. So they were interviewed a week later and Only 50 out of probably 20 000 people in this town who are renters replied so I don't really think that's a particularly significant Survey, but anyway, but I do appreciate both of those. Um, I think they were good questions that were asked Thanks All right, it's been moved by councilman christensen seconded by councilman martin All in favor of tabling ordinance 2020-50 until the governor's uh executive order expires say I I Opposed say nay All right tabling ordinance 2020-50 the motion passes unanimously All right, let's go ahead and take a two to three minute break as we get ready for final call public invited to be heard And we'll be back. All right, is everybody back just like that. We are All right, thanks everybody All right, let's open it up Final call public invited to be heard. Is there anybody in the queue? Mayor we did not get anyone calling in at this time All right, we will close final call public invited to be heard and move on to bair and council comments anybody All right, council member be the logo fairing um, yeah, there were a couple of things I wanted to talk about and the first one I actually I Feel really bad about this one and I personally I want to make a personal apology to our staff and residents who um listened in last week to the um presentation And it was primarily directed towards our um staff and residents who are of the jewish community for a comment made by one of the presenters on the energy management metering architecture He had made a pretty offensive comment. It was a small comment and I was hoping I was the only one who heard it but After talking with herald earlier So there were other staff who were um Offended by that and you know, it was pretty jolting to me And it was offensive and so I regret that I didn't interject earlier. Yes. What what was the what was the comment or reference to um and What was it herald you want to chime in because I don't feel Yeah, and I don't feel comfortable it was um What was his name Dale? It was um, dr. Shockley from boulder Yeah, and I Say his name because I did not have a chance to talk with him personally But but that's that's fine. But it was yeah, I just wanted to make sure that we were clear on who it was and so he was talking it was about the uh information from germany and um one of the germans that he worked with Said um, you get so much information um, you could find um, how do I say this? someone of the jewish faith in a home um And in in hearing from our staff and her of jewish descent was really a reference to um, they felt the holocaust But he didn't I missed that one. He didn't he didn't use um jewish descent Um, he and and so that was that was what um It was pretty insensitive and hard and it was a very short comment um, I caught it I was jolted by it part of me was Maybe I was the only one who heard it And you know, and I regret that I regret that I didn't interject immediately to call things out Um to call the out these offensive comments as I hear them So, you know, I was just wondering And you know, we don't have to answer this now. This is you know, this is mayor and council comments It's not a discussion But in the future when we do hear these any kinds of insensitive or hurtful statements Um, what would be our procedure? Can we just interject immediately? You you immediately make a point of order Stop the presentation and uh You know, I I don't I don't recall exactly hearing it, you know, because uh, if that is true But it's wow, I heard you know, I didn't I didn't but then again as but I was kind of I mean all that AMI stuff I was just kind of like You know Zoning out to tell you the truth But yeah, immediately if if any one of us here's something that is insensitive or offensive It's just a point of mayor point of order. I will immediately stop the meeting and uh You know, we'll we'll clarify what they said, you know, because uh Yeah, I'm embarrassed if I didn't catch it. So yeah, I apologize as well You know, if that was said that that specifically that's terrible. So And it's not your fault. Apologize for counsel. It's it's all of us to apologize for counsel, especially as mayor No, no, I know but I mean it's it's it's we I mean that it's and it's not our place to necessarily apologize for comment It's just we should have said something If you hear it if you hear it speak up And uh, we'll we'll address it in a moment if we if we can and if you don't catch it in a moment Do what you're doing now bring it up the following week and go did I hear that right? Is that what? Yeah, that's not that's not cool. So and I think that's a And I think for counsel, I think it wasn't just you all that had that did we just hear it because that's what We were saying it's like What did we think and it was the conversation was already down the road and so It was uh, but um And it was hurtful and it was very insensitive and I don't think that's a reflection of who we are as a community either So that's why I felt the need to say something um, at least at this point And I hope it's not too late So This is the prime example of in Intent versus impact, you know our words have consequences And sometimes we might not we might say something and that's not our intention But the reality is The impact that it causes and the hurt that it causes Individuals in our community And so the other piece I wanted to bring up and you know, I wanted to really send out a thanks to carmen herald Rob Spenlo our chief chief Spenlo who was who were in on this meeting that we had with our latinx advocacy group and members of el comite board Just we're talking with You know, we talked about a myriad of issues around um, race relations community relations with Our public safety and it's kind of building those Breaking down those barriers and building bridges among the two Implicit bias and just even the upcoming election. There are there, you know, there are a lot of anxiety surrounding this issue Um, I think we came across we were able to discuss Some some deep issues and just came up. I I mean, I thought it was very productive. I don't know how everyone else felt but um in just having a path moving a path forward not just dealing short term but also long term in building bridges in within our community and strengthening Strengthening ties. So I really I just wanted to to thank to thank our city staff who were who were involved with this In their commitment to this work and continue to to build on it. So thanks All right councilmember we're gonna go with councilmember christensen and councilmember martin Thanks, suzie. First of all for um bringing that up. Um You know in the last well In the last decade, but especially the last three years Antisemitism and all sorts of hate groups and militias have gotten A lot of publicity and a lot of people have been killed and uh, you know, synagogues attacked and it's uh Unbelievable to see this rising up again and it's all kinds of groups. So it's important to point it out um so I wanted to bring some little good news Um, alfalfas is opening up brought 70 jobs to this town and they open up on friday, I think so, um Go visit and be happy. We've got a few more jobs here. Thanks All right councilmember martin Thank you, mayor bagley and with all due respect I feel um That is unseemly To have our mayor make statements about being bored with all this ami stuff It is a point of serious contention among the people of the city It is something that is extremely important To another constituency that we heard from tonight About achieving 100 percent renewable energy And it's something that our LPC staff is working extremely hard on and I think that we should consider it with the Uh seriousness that it deserves All right anybody else All right, guess I will respond as we discussed at lunch councilmember martin or marsha I'm not saying that I was bored with the topic. I'm not saying it's unnecessary I'm just saying that oftentimes this council gets bogged down in minutia That most of us do not understand And the thing is with ami that was a conversation that night that was primarily occurring between you and staff And so I missed the comment was my point of racial insensitivity. That was my only point I'm not saying that it's boring. We shouldn't address it I'm just saying that when this council gets fixated So remember is this council get fixated on when it happened again tonight when we were talking about I'm an issue an issue We all kind of just start Following a certain path and a lot of us just our eyes glaze over and so uh What I what boredom What and that's not boredom No, that's that's a lot of times that uh, we are like we are talking about topics that um What my my job is mayors to get us out of here by 11 and to make sure that we are conducting the people's business And and pauli you're shaking your head You know you shake your head a lot and so I appreciate your your your thoughts But my point is I just try to move us along and when one specific council member gets stuck I try to get us off the mark and people might not like it But they either either do what I say or else you continue to discuss and that's okay either way But I don't think I don't want to one particular council member Had some very important points to make that spoke directly to the concerns that were raised by the public That is whether a delay in Installing our AMI system would be a good thing Whether in fact the AMI system is dangerous or whether it was safe And I think that it was necessary to prove that By showing the public how well the different speakers could answer questions And and you'll notice that I did not say anything that night. I'm just saying that my eyes glazed over a little bit they were talking about high technology topics that I don't have a background in And uh was letting you do your thing and therefore I missed the racially insensitive topic was my point I didn't say it was boring. I didn't say it was unnecessary But I guess what I would like to say with my time tonight is just uh We have an election coming up on Tuesday night and I would encourage everybody to Be be calm I know there's a lot of anxiety There has been a lot of anxiety since the last election And regardless of what happens who wins? This is the united states of america. This is longmont, colorado And uh, if your person doesn't win guess what? We have we have been able to deal with this in 1776 and this election is will be the same So if your person doesn't win vocalize but be civil protest but be civil and Do do do whatever you're gonna do, but if your guy doesn't win Don't don't break and burn things. I guess that's that's my only request. I don't care what side you're on So, all right herald anything I'm no mayor. The only thing I wanted to say based on the item that councilman Councilmember hodogal faring brought up Um, we as staff david harm backer did reach out to the individual and and have a conversation regarding those comments So, um, we also approach it in that direction too. So and I think did it the very next day or the day after So I just wanted you to know that we also did that as well Well, thanks herald anything else no comments Eugene may No comments mayor. Oh, that's pretty good. All right. Can we have a motion to adjourn the meeting, please? I moved that we adjourn the meeting Second Councilmember christianson seconds it All in favor say aye aye Opposed say nay All right the motion carries unanimously Love you marsha. All right. Bye Then pretend to be interested I'll pretend I'll pretend