 Good afternoon everybody and welcome back to this final valedictory session. As some of you would be aware, we do not have valedictory speeches in this session, but we try to get a very quick and succinct feedback from each and every remote center. I know this time we have a very large number of participants. So, what I would like to do is, we would like to go through each remote center and request not the coordinators, but one or at most two participants to give their very candid feedback covering how did they like this workshop, what was the usefulness that they felt they got from this workshop and if any quick suggestions they would like to make. We will be noting these things down and of course, taking action to improve the workshop delivery for the future. This has been a very short workshop, but I believe that this would have been useful. I will request all the remote centers, there are hands being raised. May I request all remote centers not to raise hand if they have any urgent message to send, they should just send a chat message, can somebody else be looking at the chat. So, if there is anything urgent that is required from our side such as you are not getting audio or video or something, please send the chat message. What we will be doing is, we will be going over to each remote center in alphabetical order, we will not be able to spend more than two, two and half minutes per center. So, I will request the participants from each center to be ready in the alphabetical order with a mic in their hands. So, that whenever we go over, you can quickly introduce yourself and make a comment. I would also request the coordinators to permit any one participant to speak on behalf of all the participants. So, I now presume that people would have identified someone to speak from. I will read the names of first three institutions where we will be going. It is Amal Jyoti College, Kerala will be the first one. This will be followed by Amruta Coimture, it will be followed by Amruta School of Engineering at Bangalore. It will be followed by Annai University Chennai and there are actually three centers in Annai University Chennai. So, we will in fact go to each one of these three because it is important that we look at, visually we look at each and every center where participants are sitting. So, with this and of course, we will follow all the other centers in the alphabetical order. I will now be going over to Amruta Coimture. Good afternoon sir and it is a very indeed a pleasure for us and we are very much thankful and grateful to IIT Bombay professors and your team who have conducted this workshop and really it is very much beneficial for us those who are beginner in research field and it has given us so many guidelines that we have to follow before getting our papers rejected and we want that this type of workshop also should be organized in future also. This function was organized for conference paper only. So, we want that all other types of papers also should be covered by organizing this type of workshop and some software analysis also what are the things we have to write when we are going for some software analysis and how much lengthy the papers and all it should be theoretical, experimental, some exploratory research work it is there. So, related to those we want some workshop again it should be conducted by IIT Bombay. Once again I want to utilize this opportunity that Amruta University personnel those who have participated in this event they are very much grateful to you sir. Yeah, we are M Tech students of Amruta Coimbeture and it's been a great exposure for us. Thank you so much for this session IIT Bombay and your team and he was just got a lot of exposure in terms of professional and scientific writing and the question and answer session is really cleared a lot of doubts that propped up in our minds and regarding the latex software you said you would be conducting a workshop. I guess you should put that into practice because it would be very beneficial for all of us out here especially the student community. I think there was a proposal made yesterday yeah regarding that. On a Saturday or Sunday that should be possible to do indeed it is of much use to most people who would like to write not just papers in conferences and journals, but even technical reports such as M Tech project reports or even B project reports and so on. Thank you we will now go over to Amruta School of Engineering Bangalore. Over to you Bangalore. Good afternoon Pathak it's Devraj. I'm working in East Point College of Engineering in Bangalore. Thank you very much from the IIT Bombay faculty for organizing this such a workshop on writing out to write a effective conference paper and I think what are the doubts we had like how we need to plan while writing a conference paper or a journal paper all those things is clear but still under the NME IIT umbrella have two questions like most of us will be writing a review paper is there any plan is there any plan like in the coming years or coming months for to conduct a workshop for how to write a review paper and one more thing like we will be submitting this my second question is like we will be writing the paper for the conferences and most of us we are in interest of how to organize a conference is there any protocols which we need to follow even if there is some kind of a workshop conducted by IIT Bombay it will be very great help for us I think two things is what we are looking at. Thank you Pathak. Thank you so much both are very useful suggestions we will try to see whether I think Sana would like to add something yes I would like to respond to the second comment about organizing a conference we are not planning a workshop as such right now on that but if you are serious about doing something what you can do is go to an actual conference which has been or which is being organized and be there for the days during the conference talk to the organizers get some tips during and that way you will also establish contacts with the people there and you can ask them the questions you have on how to organize so that would be one way of learning how to I would partially disagree with process Sana Murthy because while you could get useful information by asking questions you may not get proactively all the information that is required to ensure that you organize the conference properly there are write ups available there are protocols available on conference organizing for example we when we organize the very large database conference the international conference in 1996 in India we were amazed to see that the protocol defined the preparation work to start from T minus 3 years so there is an exact time table of events that must happen last day to submission of papers review of papers whole lot of logistics arrangements etcetera etcetera there are indeed some write ups we will try and see whether we can get some of these write ups at least which could be relevant and if they are in open source we will put them up on the moodle so that all of you can yeah I think the VLDB conference definitely is it should be available but there would be many conferences for which such write up should be available it would not be a bad idea sometime perhaps to dedicate a one hour or two hour of session on conference organization we could perhaps combine it with another half a day session so let me see if two disparate things a half day workshop on latex and a half day workshop on conference organization could be arranged on a single day sometime during the weekend thank you very much for this suggestion IEEE has a big page on conference organization so that would be one resource so can we can we sort of locate these URLs and post them on few of them whichever Feroza can you take this up with madam and take the find out these URLs and post them on to the movie we will do that thank you we will now go over to the DKTS HL Karanji over to you DKTS sir the workshop was quite very nice it has touched to all the aspects of technical paper writing and it has been helpful to us as well as our participants most of the participants in our institutes are right now doing PhDs it is helpful to them also sir exercises that you have given is quite excellent they are actually actually according to the reputation of IIT Mumbai so I think that this is the most important point in the workshop conducted by IIT is that the assignment given are quite very nice sir I have one more request to you we have continuous problem in relation in relation to the audio so if you make a trial on this audio and suggest some standard audio hardware that we must use and at our end that may solve the problem in this area thank you very much good points both you mentioned thank you I I understand that you like the assignments we try to keep the assignments and exercise at the same level your suggestion for indicating some standard equipment for not only audio but for audio and video is very useful I have a feeling that our audio video team must have sent you the list of equipment but what we will do is much before any formal workshop takes place I will ask my team to circulate the list of recommended piece of hardware and software to everybody once again and we will specifically request you to interact on a view on one of the days in coming weeks so that we can cross check and sort out this problem thank you so much we will now go to the issue of road and transport technology erode over to you erode good afternoon I am Dr. Nirmal Kumar from Kong engineering college first I would like to thank the IIT Mumbai I am sorry IIT Bombay for conducting these kind of workshop for writing effective conference papers on small suggestions sir in addition to this writing effective conference paper can we have some suggestion on writing the journal papers also it would be very useful for us because mostly in journals only we will be sending it to some other other countries etc. so this can also be included in the next workshops or conferences and second thing sir one small suggestion you had asked to give the feedback about this workshop within today evening sir can we have time till tomorrow evening sir because we are not having sufficient system at present sir yes I will first answer the last question and then I will hand over the responsibility to Prasanna Moti who wants to make a comment yes we can keep the response form open the objective of keeping it till the evening is that many people who will leave your campus physically may not then find time to go to the Moodle independently and update or give the feedback that is the reason we had said this but we take your suggestion because of the lack of systems I will request our organizers to close the Moodle page only tomorrow and for your other comments Prasanna Moti. Yeah hello so as we had mentioned earlier they will be open till tomorrow Professor Fartick's suggestion is valuable that if there is any participant who has trouble accessing Moodle and who might not find a system later please use the rest of the day today and fill out your form but it will be open till tomorrow so don't worry about that. About your first question first comment that you would like some workshop on journal papers the only comment I have is that most of the things we discussed today and yesterday also are also applicable for journal papers we did discuss a few times what are some subtle differences and so on and you are right there may be a one or two extra topics that might need additional discussion but most of what we talked about how to plan the paper how to organize what are the important points you have to pay attention to are similar. So I think if you want to write a journal paper please go ahead use the same guidelines that you heard today and yesterday the exercises will help you even for a journal paper thanks again for your comments. I would only add that we will keep this in mind an announcement which I briefly made about conducting a one week long workshop on research methodologies would anyway cover both the conference and journal paper writing but what Prasanna Murthy says is important that we could use the basic techniques and methods that we have discussed in these two workshops for writing any kind of technical papers whether they are for conference or journal of course there are some specific aspects of journal papers and yes we will try and cover it some other time there appears to be one more observation from the center back to you again. Hello, yeah, would have known to all I am Pungadi doing ME in Coimbatore, I am very happy to give feedback on this workshop. It was really good and we got the basic ideas about how to write the conference paper and also we are expecting some more practical session to write the journal papers and also how to form the papers to present in the IEEE website. Here we are providing the IEEE certificate and financial support only to the staff members but we PGA students are expecting the S3 certificates and also the financial support so can you consider this for S3 certificate and also financial support to PGA students also. Thank you, thank you very much let me make a quick response to the financial aspect of the workshop perhaps all participants are not aware of this but in my original mail which was circulated to several teachers we had specifically I had specifically said and I would like to emphasize this again to all the participants students or teachers please understand that the government of India has provided very large funds so far to conduct these workshops knowing fully well that people need to first understand whether these workshops are useful to them or not. However, this kind of funding cannot go on perpetually because there are more than two lakh teachers, there are more than 10 lakh students even the M. Taken PhD students are also substantially in number. What is supposed is that if there is an activity which I believe it is beneficial to me I should be willing to spend either from my pocket or my institute should be willing to support me for any funding that is required. Let me tell all of you that eventually all these activities if they are useful they will become cost based activities consider this in all your colleges there are large number of undergraduate students who are studying there is of course a lot of expenditure that is made on those students by the institutions by the government and so on. But do not we charge them a fees which they are their parents pay willfully because they believe that they will get something useful it is not just the degree but knowledge in exactly the same way these workshops if you find them useful if you find the certification useful if you find the contents useful there is no reason to believe why we would not be ready to spend money from our own pockets to do it. The problem is not of inadequate funding and not funding the problem is we cannot fund one set of people and not fund another set of people. The NMEI CT is strictly this particular project is strictly meant for teachers. So, whatever facilities we can support at the remote centers and other places can only be done for teachers this is a legal requirement we cannot spend money otherwise. So, I appreciate the concern of the students, but I would suggest this if you find that these workshops are useful you should be willing to spend money from your own pocket. We talked about research conferences when I have attended a whole lot of national and international research conferences even when I am invited to present a paper I pay full registration fees I spend my own money for stay and travel and attend those conferences because that is right in the spirit of attending conferences. I believe that I will benefit from attending a conference. So, I must do that indeed outside India if you go to any research conference there is absolutely no funding support that any participant in a research conference receives from anywhere the conference organizers never provide any funding people make their own arrangements they spend their own money occasionally their own parent institutions might be providing the support. I am sorry for taking a long time to answer this question, but this is an important point that I would like to make that as we progress further as we conduct more workshops on of shorter duration on such important topics and for longer durations on regular topics increasingly it will be expected that the funding support will become less and less and less from the government as we increase the number of participants across the country. This is bound to happen because there is ultimately only a finite amount of money that the government or any other organization can spend. I would request all the participants indeed to take this up with their own institutions and come up with some model. I remember many years ago in 1984 when I had gone to Indore to set up the department of computer science there and some of my colleagues were to be sent to attend some conference the director there came up with a very interesting formula. He said that let the participant spend some money from his pocket and let the institute will spend some money. So, it was arranged that 50 percent expenditure was to be born by the teacher and 50 percent was born by the parent institution which was sponsoring the teacher to attend the workshop. I would suggest that please work out and start thinking about these models for the coming workshop. Thank you so much. We will now go over to Jabalpur engineering college. Very warm good afternoon to all myself Rahul Jain MTech student IIT Bombay including first time to participate MTech student we are thankful for that workshop is very practical and informative in nature all questions get cleared learn minute things for quality exposure prevent paper to reject there should be quiz round also at the end special thanks to professor RB Sunoj on scientific presentation skills very very practical in nature and professor Sahana Murthy cleared all the queries thank you very much. Good afternoon sir. On behalf of all the faculty members once again I sincere pay my thanks to IIT Bombay to arrange the workshop on such important topics still some question is unanswered due to time lack of time like cross reference and their importance in conference camera ready paper and so on thank you thank you so much I would request that is good that you mentioned that there are some questions which are unanswered I am very glad about that happening in fact there should be many more questions one of the objectives of such workshops is to turn our mind so that more questions arise in our mind this is a sign of a very good thinking mind and I am glad that you are doing it I will only suggest the following we will keep the Moodle open for quite some time Moodle is not going to close please use Moodle for any further interaction post your questions on Moodle and we will make sure I will request for Sahana Murthy to keep regularly looking at these questions and answer these at some regular frequency let us say that we will keep the Moodle open for at least two weeks two weeks is fair so keep the Moodle open for two more weeks and any questions that are raised in fact there is no reason why you could not use this for some kind of a collaborative effort within yourself somebody could start a discussion forum on a point and others who wish to contribute to that discussion will continue to do so on Moodle so that is the observation that I would like to make any other point Jaubalpur like to make thank you we will go over to K. J. Somia College Mumbai overall session was very good sir no doubt about this and it organized in a well manner information given overall session it was very useful and it is again it is useful for the PhD students as well as you want to do the PhD in future also but I wanted to make one thing that question answer session the time was given very less I think you should think over that and people should be given more time to ask the question then the practical session which you have performed it should be on the technical basis because we are all the technical people overall it is very good we are we are waiting for the next program that is research methodology program thank you sir thank you very much this observation of trying to provide more time for question answer is well taken the problem is that when you increase the number of participants the total amount of time that we can spend on question answering gets limited but we will keep that in mind actually process Hanam Utti did tell me that yesterday she tried to run a interactive session you did yeah and and today but expectations are more we will keep that in mind in fact there is no reason why we could not think of making a special provision for a longer workshop at some two intermediate portions where we will just say it will be interaction and question answer thanks for that suggestion we are going over to the Kakinada Institute over to you good afternoon sir thank you once again for giving this opportunity to host the today IST workshop sir and sir the workshop went really very well all the participants learnt a lot and it is very productive and fruitful workshop sir and sir actually I have noticed one point sir we are facing big problem with the speakers in the audio system sir one speaker is a voice is clear and other speakers what is a big problem so they should be in a standard system for audio sir and here he would like to move over to Prabhakar thank you for organizing such a kind of workshop so but generally the workshop in there but why don't you conduct in a subject like computer science or especially computer science data mining or software engineering like that based on the subject wise then it will be give added advantage to the research scholars and one more thing is nowadays you conduct a conference at 811 it will be good for us sir so and one more research methodologies like that it will be give an advantage to the student communities and last point sir if it is fully funded by the IIT then it will be helpful because particularly in the Andhra Pradesh because of reimbursement all the private college minoring staff will not get the salaries in time sir so according to you 50% of faculty contribution is okay but because of the delay in salaries we face a lot of problems to contribute something to the research sir thank you sir so if you conduct the conference it will be good for us sir thank you so much the suggestion to perhaps conduct a specific subject or topic oriented workshop is not a bad idea but that will almost amount to conducting a mini research conference for that particular topic we'll keep that in mind about funding I already made my observations we'll keep in mind the difficulties that participants face but there is only a certain point up to which we can extend funding support something will have to be done on this in future we'll keep that in mind let's go over to KCES Jirgao thank you for all the sessions your conducted is very good this is useful for all the participant but I have request that there is a workshop on a latex is necessary for the same so from all the participants I request you to provide such kind of workshop for the same and all the sessions you are conducted on writing effective conference paper is a very well over to you sir thank you so much we already noted your desire for the latex workshop and we'll definitely do something about it very shortly then next is the Collapar Institute of Technology at Colapur the participants here are happy with the contents of the course however I have some request the organizing organizing and planning of the papers the contents were very good the examples were also good but I feel that they are good in the sense of from from the point of view of senior faculty however number of participants here are young they are pursuing their PG maybe MEM tech and in that sense the suggestions where if you could have considered some technical papers and discussed on to that it has been very helpful for our others and the others request is on the similar lines can there be workshops conducted for PG students and PhD candidates maybe on research methodology or latex thank you all to you sir thank you very much this is a good suggestion although the mandate is for us to conduct the workshops primarily for teachers but having seen that we have established a infrastructure I will personally be speaking to the MHRD officials to permit us at least to use this infrastructure for conducting a workshop specially for students and we can also incidentally include those faculty members who are pursuing their ME or PhD but a student workshop one problem would be that it will not be a funded workshop if the student members you feel that they will be willing to contribute or the colleges could contribute we could certainly hold a workshop for teachers could I go over once again very briefly to collaborate to find out do they think such a such a system would be feasible if I get permission to run a program exclusively for people who are doing PhD and ME let us say students or teachers it does not matter but it could be a completely self-financed workshop do you think it will be useful your comments are over to you yeah yes people are here interested to attend such workshops and if they are paid people are willing to pay this thank you thank you so much thank you very encouraging response thank you Colapul we will now go over to Panvel so over to you Panvel good afternoon sir good afternoon ma'am on behalf of Pillai Institute of Information Technology I would like to thank you all for conducting such an effective workshop on writing effective conferences papers it was very well organized we got a very good insight by professor Sanna Murthy and even professor Sunoj has given very good guidelines for making effective scientific presentations we are really very thankful for you and we're looking forward for such good workshops over to another participant afternoon sir I'm very much thankful to the government of India the Department of Human Research and Development the first time I think this type of workshop is organized and such a huge response in the Panvel itself more than 135 participants are present here so by attending these two days workshop I think everybody is quite confident in the coming conferences and journals we can see the papers from the Bombay New Bombay will be more than that so I'm very much thankful to you all sir thank you very much thank you so much thank you so much I indeed look forward to a greater research contribution in terms of published papers from the large cloud of 135 people all the best I am C.C. Pune is the next institute in my list go over to I am C.C. Pune here yes over to you I am C.C. Good afternoon sir I am Ajay Pradhan I am working in D.Y. Partial College of Engineering here in Akkurati Pune workshop was really very good and in fact I am coming from a industry background of almost 25 years and still I am really new to this particular area of writing paper and I found it really very good learning for me and I hope that this will help all of us here to present good papers in the coming conferences and in the journals thank you sir thank you very much I am now going over to MNIT Bhopal okay hello yeah good afternoon sir and ma'am we all the participants from MNIT Bhopal are really glad to be a part of this workshop and the workshop was very useful to all of us and we could clear all our doubts on writing the research paper and we hope to see all of us writing a quality research papers and we look forward to more such workshops the only point that I want to add is due to the limitation of time and the problem with the audiovisual transmission also like all of us could not ask the questions and the questions that the other members were asking there was so much repetition in that so if the questions can be collected a day prior and the selections can be made at your end so that only the specific questions can be asked and in this way all of us will get a chance and the questions will also not be repeated and more of the queries can be resolved thank you sir thank you thank you so much for your observation indeed you make an important point I must state two things here sometimes what you feel that questions are being repeated is actually it is not exactly the same question that gets repeated but a certain different flavor is brought out by another similar question so sometimes such questions which I would call not repeated questions but complementary questions are useful however the point that you made is definitely true this is something that we have decided to follow in our longer two-week or one-week workshops where we would request people to send their questions post their queries on Moodle and we consolidate those queries classify those queries and answer them one by one subsequently so maybe we'll keep that in mind next year thank you for that suggestion and Nirma University Ahmedabad over to you Nirma good afternoon sir I'm Hitesh Mehta a faculty member of Sarvajani College of Engineering Technology Surat first of all I want to congratulate the Acclavier team and the all professors who are delivering speech because I don't want to spend more time to take names so congratulate to you even we are very well satisfied from our remote center Nirma so I congratulate to coordinators of Nirma Institute also now I want to just tell four points two will be the feedback and two will be your two will be the suggestions so first this workshop is really well planned and it helps a lot who are writing a paper and who want to write a papers so sir all your faculty should be ready to refer more and more papers so that is our first feedback from my side specially I thanks to Professor Sunoj for giving a great acting and speech both for presenting your work so these are the two feedbacks and suggestions from our sides are the examples which are taken during the workshop they are from more on English based literature so try to take from technical side so we'll get more idea to write each and everything in a proper way and the second suggestion that in this workshop we are not getting the impact factor of different conference and general papers so if it is possible kindly upload a PDF file in a moodle so we will get that idea over to you sir thank you so much we will consider your suggestions and try to see how we could go ahead and implement those let's go over to NIT Warangal now this is professor B. Vaparal Dean Reshet and consultancy and also workshop coordinator the workshop is very inspiring and need of the hour is well organized and disciplined workshop the participants enjoyed the workshop and also learnt a lot it's reinforcing with what has been practised by some research supervisor and also research scholars here there are several good practices mentioned which are being practised and such workshops will definitely improve the quality of papers published by Indian researchers in journals of good impact factor the quality of papers in Indian journals and also conferences also will be improved and it has the workshop has also provided inputs for revision of the syllabus of English for technical communication which is mandatory course for all the research scholars in our institute and based on the it has been an idea in our institute to conduct workshop within our institute within each department and to various engineering colleges in the state of Andhra Pradesh now on the similar guidelines we would proceed organizing a series of workshops of not through video actual interactive workshops at NIT Warangal so it has given several new directions to NIT Warangal to use its human resources in conducting such workshops in a big way thank you one of the participant would like to share his views good afternoon sir I am research scholar from NIT Warangal at the outset I would like to thank the wonderful team at IIT Bombay for making this today workshop a fruitful one as a budding researcher from this workshop I have learnt a lot especially how iterative improvement and discipline helps me in writing a conference paper and also in presenting the paper in a good conference from this interaction from these two days it made me a confident researcher for presenting my findings in forthcoming conference of my domain expertise thank you thank you so much I must I must thank you so much I must appreciate Prashant Rao's observation that NIT Warangal is planning to conduct such workshops for teachers from other engineering colleges there and and even for others I would like to only state once again something which is well known but perhaps not remember that all audiovisual lectures which are recorded audiovisual recording of the lectures as well as all the material that is on the moodle all of it after final editing would be released in open source and not only your institutes are at Warangal but any other institute wishing to use these resources as a part of conduct of their own workshops please feel completely free to do so all the material is actually released under creative commons license and therefore it is repeatedly usable modifiable and usable as in a modified form as you wish so I would like to I just want to reiterate what Professor Fartick said I think this is by far the most encouraging comment we have received so far that if you are considering a technical writing course and you would like to use our ideas and materials that is highly encouraging and please go ahead and also quick hello to Professor Somi Angelo there thanks thank you so much