 All right, let's get it going. All right, good evening everybody. Sorry that we're a little bit late. I was having a slight tech issue. Tonight, we're going to be having a juicy debate and I'm glad that you're all here for it. Is female privilege a thing? To start us out, LP has the floor. So LP, up to six minutes and it's all yours. Yeah, thanks Ryan, thanks for having me. It's always a pleasure to be here on the modern day debate platform. Normally I wouldn't accept a debate proposition like this one. I don't like conversations that are divisive or meant to cause more division between the sexes rather than unity. Having said that, I had to come back my homeboy primetime 69 and also just see what my esteemed opponents are gonna come up with today because the idea that female privilege doesn't exist is laughable. Obviously there are some perks to being a woman that's just undeniable. And yes, there are also perks to being men. So the real question in this debate is not is female privilege a thing because it obviously is but rather what is the implication of that? What does it mean? Does it mean women are oppressed? Does it mean we need to go in and make radical changes to society in order to even things out? The answer there is no. It's natural for there to be differences between the sexes and so it's natural for men to enjoy certain advantages, women to enjoy certain advantages and there's really just nothing wrong with that. If you want some examples of female privilege like just off the top of my head, I mean, this is a really kind of trite, funny thing but ladies night at the club where women don't have to pay cover charge. That's just an objectively a perk of being a woman. You can go to the club and save $5 or whatever it is. It might be a small perk, but it is a perk. Of course there's bigger ones, women don't have to register for the draft in order to vote. Women are seen more positively in general. Many studies have shown this. We got the women are wonderful effect. If you Google female privilege, which I did today with the top result that comes up is a study that found that when you give people a fake study telling them that you found some kind of area in which one of the sexes perform better, people respond much more positively to hearing that women are outperforming men than they do to hearing that men are outperforming women. So I mean, there's a whole bunch of examples but you get the idea. There are advantages to being a female and we could describe those as privilege. All right, it seems like you wrapped it up there. So you got a little bit more time there. We'll give you up to nine minutes, Alex, to make your opening case. Well, it's me, Bimp on a Blamp here with LP and he made a lot of good points and I'd like to start off with what I call punani privilege. It's very obvious that women are more privileged because they have the vagine. You think, oh, Alex, that's a joke. Well, if I'm joking, then why do women make 100 times the amount that men make on only fans? I can't sell a picture of my penis for the same price. You can sell a picture of your vajayjay. So already you literally have privilege with your private parts. And then also on top of that, you don't have to get drafted. You don't have to go to war. You don't have to go fight and die if you're a country all because you have breast and a vagina, which I love. That's great. So that's a privilege. And also you can look at any time. If you type in teacher sleep, it's always a female student. She sleeps with the teacher and they always traditionally get a lighter sentence than a male pedophile. Now I'm just saying that just shows you that women, and that's through all crimes, even murder that women serve lighter sentences. The amount of women that are in jail compared to men are very small. It's a very small percentage. That's why when women go to prison, they can make a show like Orange is the New Black and everybody just laughs and it's all cute. And it's a bunch of girls being pillow princesses, eating each other out the whole time. But that's not the reality of the world we live in. If you're a man, life is tough. I'm not saying it's easy as a woman, but you're able to use your body, your mind, your soul to maybe date a rich guy. In the dating world, a woman won't even look at you if you're under six feet tall and if you make less money than them. That's not my stats. That's any basic dating app statistics. Women don't wanna date guys that make more money than them. Women also don't wanna date guys that are shorter than them. So I'm just saying there's a lot of advantages to being a woman. I'm not saying that your life is just perfect. I'm not just saying you have 100% advantage of a man. I would say probably men have an advantage in some fields, women have an advantage in others. But overall, women have more privilege. And that's just because society treats women differently than they treat men. It's very beautiful that society does that, but I think it's very obvious that a woman is not treated the same as a man for crimes when it comes to the military or when it comes to sex work. So it just shows you that a woman's power is undeniable. And that's why I'm actually pro-women because I sometimes think some of these whores that are selling their vagina on the internet for $4.99 don't realize how powerful Pussy they have is. And that's what kind of frustrates me. That's why I'm a little empathetic that these women need to be lioness or whores because a lot of men out there are simps. They're whamps, they'll do anything. A sucker that idolizes mediocre pussy. So with the amount of simps that I personally know and the amount of women out there, I think it's much easier for a woman to manipulate a man when it comes to dating. So already women have a lot of advantages. If you do do a dating app, I think when they do the statistics of how many people swipe right or how many connections you make, I think it was like bumble. Women make a ton more. And even on the one of the most popular dating apps, bumble, the women get to start the conversation. So once again, they have an advantage in dating. So like I said, I don't think it's just easy Pussy because you're a woman, but I think it is easy. If you wanna be a woman, you wanna get in the gym, you wanna get some fake boobs, you can really kind of turn shit into sugar and probably find a rich guy to date. I know that sounds impossible, but I mean, if we laid off the Twinkies, any chick can lose weight and then all of a sudden some guy'll date her in two seconds. And even if you're a big fat heifer, there's guys that have fetishes for that. So believe it or not, it's not hard for a woman to find a man. It's much harder for the man to find a woman, I personally think from my experience. So you got the power of the punene. I got the power of the penis. It gives us different superpowers, kind of like Aquaman can deal with fish, Superman can fly. But still, the punene is more powerful than the penis in my humble opinion. All right, well thank you both for your introductory statements, LP and Alex. If you guys aren't aware and haven't subscribed to Modern Day Debate, we are a neutral platform. We platform debates about science, politics, politics and religion. And we do hope you feel welcome in the live chat hanging out. Hit that like button. It doesn't hurt if you're hanging out. And we're gonna put the floor over to the other side. So I think we established the one side, but Ryan, would you like to go first? Yes. Hey everyone, Ryan or Radical Coder. Women, am I right? Can't live with them. I yield my time to Ashley. That's so real. You so real for that one, Ryan. I think that you want like 11 minutes. You got it. Is it my turn? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, you're good. Okay. I think that the other side actually did a pretty good job of kind of what Ryan and I talked about right before this debate, which was that of course, female privilege is real. Privilege in and of itself is real. Male privilege is real too. And we can go back and forth all day about who's got the most privilege, right? So I guess I kind of just wanted to talk a little bit about why female privilege is a real thing. I think that women are just the superior sex all around to be quite honest with you, both genetically and just physiologically. I think that we're superior in almost every way. And since women have been able to be in the workforce, I wouldn't even say been able, some women hate it like it fucking sucks, right? But that's just the world we live in. Since women have been working and gaining an education at higher rates than men, we're also outscoring you guys on IQ tests. Like, I mean, honestly, it's pretty much just in every way. If we had physical strengths powered, then we wouldn't even need you guys anymore except for sperm bags, just to be honest. But as it stands, you guys are physically stronger and you are our grunts. So let's argue. Wait, wait, are you, I'm confused on what's your side of the argument. So you do agree that there's female privilege, isn't that one right? We accept the concession and I guess we're having us. I guess I can give a little bit of a slight. You guys started it. You said that you think it's both real. I said, we do, we all think it is. You also conceded that men have privilege. You fell for that? Oh, right. For sure. Real quick. Let me say in terms of the- Greater divergence, go ahead there, Ryan. If the debate is purely like the idea of anyone having some privileges in some context, obviously everybody has some kind of privilege in some kind of context. Not everybody. Again, depending on, we could probably find some niche weird context where literally almost anybody could, but that's not the point, right? Like we're talking about like structural advantages that people have, that genders have. I mean, unfortunately, and I think to LP's credit, he brought some attention to this, that this battle of the sexes framing of these conversations is extremely unproductive. And it inspires like this idea that people of one gender cannot succeed in society without it being at the expense of people of the other gender. And I think this is harmful. Like the idea of patriarchy is not like, like patriarchy is not synonymous with men, right? When people are complaining about the problems with patriarchy, they're talking about the structures that hold people in these very specific gender roles and don't allow them to move outside those boxes, as well as a bunch of other consequences that come out from that. So just to be clear about like, we're not just talking about the idea of anybody having some privilege, but we're specifically talking about like women as a class of people having privileges. And we can talk about like, what situations they might have privileges, what, how good those privileges really are when you look at them more critically and like what the root of those privileges, like where they actually come from in the first place. That's the interesting conversation. All right. I already know where this is going. This is going where like, oh, well the reason women have ladies night and get no cover charge at the club is because it benefits men, because men want women and it all benefits. Anything can be spun around in that way. Oh, it looks like we lost Alex. He's coming back. Anything can be, yeah he'll be back. You know, you could, so some people say an example of male privilege is the so-called wage gap, which as we all know is really an earnings gap. Men work more and earn more money on average than women. And you could say, oh, well that's male privilege. They earn more money. But again, men are doing that for the benefit of women. So I don't really, you know, we can say, oh, what are the causes of these female privileges? It's all patriarchy. It's all patriarchy, all the way down, but I don't know what that even means or accomplishes. Right. So how are men doing that for the benefit of women A, out earning them? And why do you think it is that they out earn them? And in what positions do you think it is that they out earn? And then also a caveat to that, what you just said is that the ladies night, right? Like, but it's for the men. No, that is a, it's a way to price gouge you guys. Like, yeah, it lures you in. It's using us to use you. That society using us against each other. Us getting free drinks when a guy buys us a drink comes with strings attached that he's trying to get into our JJ's as what is not said. So like, but- You can see my name, Ashley. It says, Alex Stein. You can read my name. What are, Ashley, are you an OnlyFans girl or something? Oh yeah, absolutely. I sell pictures of my feet, but doing very, very nuanced odd things. Ryan does buy them. I like to- Is she joking? That's what I'm saying. So that's how I know. You asked for an industry where women make more than men, OnlyFans. So there's your answer. That's not, that wasn't my question at all actually. Thanks for listening, Alex. Well, didn't you talk about jobs where didn't you just say you asked for it? She said, how does it benefit women for men to earn more? And I'm happy to answer that question. And I also asked you in what industries do you think it is that men earn more? That's what I'm saying. So porn or OnlyFans, that's the answer to your question. So I did answer that. That's the industry. Hold on, Ashley. We gotta let Alex cut it again. Man or woman. You're not listening. The reason men- I thought you said women earn more is because- I know you thought that. Can I answer the question? Yes. Women earn or incentivize to earn more is that they can find a mate, first of all. Like Alex pointed out in his opening when he said that women want to date somebody who earns more than them. This puts pressure on men that they have to go out and earn. Men also like to work. That's just part of our nature. So it's not like this total begrudging thing. But the way that that benefits women more so than just we're doing that to find a spouse is that women control the majority of consumer spending. There's all kinds of studies on that. Women control the majority of consumer wealth. So how do you reconcile that? Men earn more money, but women spend more money and have more money. It's because there's a transfer from men to women in these households where women often do the shopping and the men do the working. Well, also men pay more taxes because they earn more, which is another kind of privilege women have. They pay less taxes, but they take out more in benefits. You know, women live longer. They take out more in benefits. We'll have to let them live longer for genetically superior, but we also have the pink tax. So what? So actually, you think that. Because you got. Sorry, go ahead, Alex. Well, I'm just saying, so you admit that female privilege is a real thing. I mean, what are we even debating this for? Yeah, I'm busy. LPs busy. I mean, I'll debate all three of you. I don't think that we should identify these things as female privilege because I think that only a fucking idiot would say that some demographic of human being doesn't have some sort of a privilege. You're the fucking idiot for coming on a debate and trying to argue that side of it and just conceding immediately. I mean, how I mean. Well, I mean, we don't believe private emails here. I was coming in from my car. I was coming in. I mean, let's let Ryan in here. Sorry, Ashley. I was going to say the emails. My understanding when I do this, I looked at the emails that the back and forth between. I don't know if everyone was on this, but I believe that the question was reframed as more accurately, whether or not female privilege is meaningful. I think that was that was my understanding of. I understand that we use the specific framings to be more provocative and so you're saying female privilege isn't meaningful. Is that the side of the debate you're taking? I'm actually not not necessarily. I would say I don't think we should identify those things. No, no, I'm not mad. I don't worry. Don't worry. I'm not going to explain my question. I'm busy. I get it. I'll argue about it. Let's learn to respond, Alex. And then we'll I'm saying that I the things that you guys are identifying as female privilege, I would not identify as female privilege. I don't think I don't think we should use this term to describe these things. So I so I would say no. Can you get some examples of male privilege? Male privilege. I mean, we just talked about the earnings, right? Men make more men are more likely to be CEOs. Men are more likely. Yeah, but that's so how does that a privilege for men? But but paying less taxes isn't a privilege for women. Well, paying less taxes comes at the cost of making less money. Like that's that's not really good. Let me ask this question, Ryan. So do you think men only make money because of affirmative action because other men want to affirm other men more? Men were the only ones who were allowed to have income for a long time. And I mean, and it's kind of we're kind of recovering from that. So it's kind of nice. A woman could just work. Or I mean, she's a woman. She was working. She was already working. She's doing housework. She could just ask some kids. Even if she's forcing the house, she's still doing a ton of work, right? I have never answered that two other points in my question because I wanted to know. So I asked you what in what jobs and what positions do you think it is that men are out earning women? I mean, virtually all of them, virtually all of them, men across the board, on average, earn more than women. There's certain examples where it really leans heavily towards men, you know, dangerous jobs, jobs where you can get injured on the workplace, skew very heavily towards men. But just men on average across the board or more. Why do you think that is? Why do I think women are men work dangerous jobs? No, no, no, no. Across the board. Not talking about the dangerous jobs. Because why do you think that? Why do you think men are? I don't think it's I know why it is. It's because men. Yeah, it's because it's more hours. They work longer. They have more experience. They've done all kinds of studies on this stuff. Like they did a study over where they they've tried to figure out why do men earn more money on Uber? And it's because they they earn more hours. They work the more busy spots. They were more likely to work the busier times and they drive faster so they get more. You're giving the obvious. You're giving the obvious questions. But in those studies you read, did you look at the underneath of the why that is why? What are some reasons that might possibly possibly point towards that? That women might work more hours or just talking about workforce. Why do men work more hours? Is that the question? Overall, if you've read these studies, yeah, what do you think? Why? I'm interested to find out. I don't know. So as a combination, they obviously women have childbearing duties, which takes them out of the workforce. And like I said, and well, women are more likely to not work than men. So so a lot of people, their wives don't work. My wife doesn't work. So I don't think that's even factored into those those differences. There are several things where it is factored in and a big part of their more likely to work part time, even even the ones who do because they're their family. But also, like if you look at middle class America, most blue collar families and even below, like we live in an economy now where like you you basically cannot live off of a one household income. So most women, like I know for me personally, like I've always had to work. I've always had two or three jobs, or even when I was a stay at home mom, it entailed me picking up a part time job, working nights at a gas station while breast pumping in the back. I'm just a better man. If yeah, that absolutely perhaps I should have. I'm not going to argue on that. But but part of that is also like when you when women are taken out of the workforce because they do have kids, right? Even when they go back to the workforce, say it's it's a year, two years, three years later, they're significantly behind significantly behind their male counterparts. So women shouldn't work definition of privilege. Shouldn't work. I don't think that privilege would fall that would fall under the definition of privilege. Well, let me let me respond to that real quick, which is that it comes down to your preference, like some people are happy working less. You're acting like the fact that women work less is because they're oppressed or whatever. But some people are quite content to work less hours. It comes down to a question of your personal preferences at the end of the day. Like me personally, I'm quite happy being a man. I wouldn't change my sex. You just said you think women are superior. So I assume you don't want to change your sex. So at the end of the day, it's just a matter of what do you value more? Do you want to be independent and pursue what I'm saying is a man or do you want to most Americans don't have that choice and not have to stress your pretty little head like a woman have that choice? Most Americans don't have that choice. I'd like to be a little pampered, to be honest. Yeah. Yeah, I work hard in the meantime, but I like to choose to. I don't think it's womanly to get pampered. You don't like being pampered. But interestingly, I will note interestingly, the Washington Post had an article a few years ago where a bunch of trans males, so these are women who switched over to men, were basically complaining about they they thought they were going to have a life of privilege as a man. And it turns out, no, actually, the world is pretty cold. If you're a man and it's uncaring and it it only cares about what you can do for it. And women are not used to that. Women get to have friends without having to make any effort. Well, real quick, just when you say that that you're only valued for what you can offer them. I think women absolutely understand what that's like. No. I think women are I'm surprised you would say that the women don't know what it's like to be only valued for what they can offer to someone. I think I think that most women feel on a day to day basis that most a lot of oftentimes men around them are only valuing them for the sex they can offer them or the likelihood of giving them. I mean, if you want to call these trans men liars that you can do that. I mean, some of them might be. I don't know. I'm just telling you what they said in the Washington Post article. I also listened to trans men when I was leading up to this debate. And a lot of them, at least the more progressive ones I was listening to, were kind of talking more about the things I'm saying and talking about how like female privilege as a this term, it doesn't even. It's kind of misleading, both because it implies like that it's something that's at the expense of men when rather than just a dynamic that exists under this under patriarchy. Right. But also, why the fuck would you even bring up what was said in an article if you didn't agree with it and you weren't using it as a point for your argument? So sure. But here, let me say this because this debate is so boring already because we all agree. So let me argue on yours. I don't agree. Now, I want to say that female privilege doesn't exist because a woman like yourself has to go to Sherwin Williams and use an entire paint store just to cover your face and make yourself look halfway decent. So I know as a woman having to do that, that has to be very challenging and very. It is. It is very challenging. And it's expensive. It's expensive. I'm glad you brought that up because I was talking about the pink tax. Now, that is something that women spend 20 to 50 percent more on every product that we use specifically because we're women because because of what your friend there said about how women do most of the household shopping. Right. But now we're seeing that like he's a household as in married couples. We're not even talking about married couples anymore because marriage rates are declining. Right. But women are still doing the majority of the shopping and we're getting taxed the shit out of because of it for the same exact products. Same exact labor that it costs to fix it. That's not necessarily true. Oftentimes, I think that study, they had like pens and they have the same exact pen, but one had pink packaging and one had. No, actually, no, I can tell you exactly how. But it was like 25 or 25 cents more. I'm just saying girls waste money on stupid stuff. So as a marketer, somebody wants to show you how it's easy to sell crap to women. She called a female crap. It's just because they can charge more because you guys are dumb enough to buy and sell whatever gimmick they have because marketers know how to market. So if you could just literally sell the same product and make it pink and charge a little bit more and girls will buy it. But I got you. That's because you're not very smart and you guys don't know how to value. No, that's not what it is. Right. You know, I've never seen someone hold up a line with coupons who was. I've never seen a man hold up a line in the grocery store with coupons. OK, so you see the coupons. If I get extra care of bucks, you don't think I use my extra care of bucks. And I'm going to find a wealthy young man. Yeah. I mean, one of Alex, Alex, you said that women are just overall more dumb. And that's why we pay more for things. Is that really your feeling? I can prove it because they had to they had to out that we're more dumb. Yeah, I can tell you why they had to outlaw transgender women from competing against biological women in chess, in chess, a non-physical sport because men are better than women at chess, a sport that takes your mind. Poker, another thing. Transport overwhelming, overwhelming. These are these are. Hey, Ryan, you know, I believe they banned them, but I don't believe they were overwhelming. I know, but they banned them because they feel like they have an advantage. And so I feel like that. Yeah. Yeah. So that means because they think men are smarter. There's are women that said that. There's women. Women can be wrong about stuff. They do it all the time, trust me. Trust me, they're wrong about shit every single day. Yeah. I mean, they don't know a damn thing half the time. But they still outlaw me because they think they're smarter. And so that's there's a reason why there aren't a lot of professional female poker players. There are some, but there's not much. So and those are sports that are of the mind. They're not it's a game. You're playing a game. Men always beat women in that stuff. It's a certain part of your mind. It's an analytical part of your mind. I'll agree with you on that. But overwhelmingly, so women are outscoring men on IQ tests. And also I think that sometimes emotional intelligence is incredibly underappreciated in women. And here's something I always find interesting is that men call women manipulators. We're manipulative, right? That's because you're the dumb ass is letting us manipulate you. No, we're horny. We're horny. Actually, it's different. We're able to control an entire social situation. We're able to control how you feel about yourself and how you interact with others. I'm sorry, but that's kind of some genius mastermind evil shit, man. Yeah, and Alex, what you just said about us being horny, that being different, I don't think it is because they're different things. But they they they compound together, right? Like, I've absolutely put myself in incredibly stupid situations because I was horny. I imagine many men can relate to that. So it's not it's not that they're different things. They're deeply interrelated, you know. But I didn't hear the horny comment and I love horny talk. What are we? What was it? Me getting myself in stupid situations because I'm horny. You do that. You do. I can attest. Well, it's kind of like the old saying, like, no man ever gets laid without paying for it one way or another. So like, even when you take a girl out and you have to buy dinner and all that stuff, you know, the guy has to pay for all that. So I'm just saying that it's hard to be a guy. You have privilege. You get to be the one that gets winded. And it's hard to be a girl. And you get to decide who gets to enter your your vaginal area. Well, as a guy who's been winded and dined by women before, I think that we should encourage more. Well, that's technically true. Was it a sexual wind and dine? Or was it actually not? No. Actually, it doesn't count. That's like your grandmother feeding you. But I'm not. I was a man. OK, I actually brought that up. I've even winded and dined and then the girls. All right, everybody's talking about that question. Have you been winded and dined and then the girl gave you hot 69? Yes, literally. I'm not talking about Ashley. Yes, yes, that's what I thought. She's 300 pounds. You stop listening. She's very cute. She's biologically female, Ashley. But she is a biological female. Yeah. Last time I checked. This is true. She's kind of weird though. But speaking of speaking of the biological female thing, I actually did look it up about the chest thing. And it turns out the Chest Federation has ruled transgender women cannot compete until they make an assessment of their gender change. So they have to provide proof that they changed their gender, but they are actually allowed to compete. Well, wrong about that. But no, I mean, personally, I don't think that trans people should. That's not unfortunate. I don't think trans people should compete in like I don't think trans. Right. I mean, I don't think they should. But it's a sport of the mind proving that men are smarter. Is it was my point that this doesn't do that, though? I know that was your point, but it was a really dumb gay point. Yeah. And also was wrong. Are you anti gay, Ashley? Are you anti? Are you anti gay? No. Then why are you using it as a slur? Because I think we should bring back gay. I think we should be able to say gay again. You don't like gay, right? Maybe just kind of back on track. Yeah, what are we even debating, dude? What are we debating? I'm super busy. You were the one that asked the question. What is your point? Like, what are you here to say if you are to concede a female privilege is real? Like, what is your point? Get to your point. I think that there's been several points made. And I think that you're just not actually adequately addressing them. I've asked you to describe what you've already conceded to debate. If you could shut the fuck up. That's what I was going to ask your question. So I'm already... So I'm already... Then you get spicy. We're doing it weekend. Go ahead, Ashley. I already said that the pay gap thing, why is that so? OK, like, I don't I don't know. That's OK. If it is a female privilege to be able to stay at home, to be able to not work, to be able to stay at home with your children, right? Which some women may not think so. Overall, to be honest with you, I think it is. I think that that is quite the lovely thing to do. It's just not accessible and it's not possible. And it doesn't happen for most Americans anymore. It doesn't happen except for the top percent of earners. It really doesn't, especially it depends on that's true. I I guess that's not true. It's it's very possible. If you're if you're a median earner, if you let's let that happen. Or the family off that. You just have to be free. You just have to be miserable with your spending. Is what you're saying. But yeah, sure, you could do it. Yeah, if you want to eat home baked styles and ramen noodles every night and you don't you live in a fucking nine hundred square foot house and you sit there and don't have a fucking life. Sure. In the richest country on the world, you know, if you want to live the American dream, both people have to work. And I've lived both lives. I'm just saying this is true. So I think a bunch of that shit is I think it's a bunch of bullshit. I really do. And I'm proud of you. I'm happy for you. I don't want to take it away from you that you're able you're able to do that with your wife. That's wonderful. I don't know. Trad life is the American dream. And maybe you have to make some sacrifices for that. That's OK. Correct. I understand. And that's another thing I think is a problem with this new system of things is that men now have to be in their mid to late 30s or 40s even to be able to afford to have that trap wife life or whatever. You know, that was a way that our grandparents, great-grandparents did. My grandparents. I'll grant you that one. Yeah. For 50 something years. And they met in high school. My grandpa was able to go and be a carpenter and buy a fucking house and provide for his family. And my grandma didn't have to work. Yeah. I'm saying that this shit is changing. And it's not. I still don't know what your point is. Like like you have some kind of prescription for something that should change. Or it's not a privilege. It's not a privilege inherently for females to have to marry a dude that's 15 to 20 years older than them in order to have that life. That's not a privilege. That's kind of gross, to be honest. And yet we do it. The ones that want that life do it. And that's creating a toxic society, a toxic environment and a loveless marriage. And that's not a privilege. That's not a fucking privilege. It also feeds into a lot of resentment from young men as we see online all the time talking about these these older guys who are older, richer guys who are allegedly consolidating all of the women for themselves, you know, like this is a very common in the on the fresh and fits and stuff of the world. Like this is a very, very common talking point. But it's such a fucking privilege that women out there, especially young women, they're forgoing they're forgoing their privilege to marry an old guy, right, and have the life so that they're selling their pussy online for five dollars a month, memberships. That's not a privilege either. None of this is a privilege. It's it's a it's a it's a side effect of a degenerate god damn society. It's not a privilege. All right, I think you're going to pretend like I'm the only person who doesn't know what their fucking point is. Can I hammer it down? I think I can hammer it down with it. I mean, I'm trying to argue on their side because we're not even arguing. I mean, I'd like to debate, but I mean, I'm trying to give them some points. I mean, this is before myself before you guys all jump back in before you guys all jump back in. Actually, it's funny that you say I mean, I'm obviously smarter than you. I mean, there's I mean, you've been quoted statistics and you've been hold on, hold on, hold on. I've got the two of you on mute just right quick. I do want to remind our live audience that we will be doing a Q&A at the end of our open discussion. We are having a very lively open discussion. I will remind our speakers to try not to have too much cross talk just because there can be digital artifacts. And that completely just makes it so that you can't hear a certain speaker. With that being said, Ryan's been trying to get in with the point here. So I'm going to put the floor over to Ryan. And then I don't know. Ashley gave you guys quite a bit to chew on there. So I'll let you know. I'm just going to recenter all that. Yeah. So I'm basically all of what you said. I'm trying to refocus that to the main core of the conversation. And I think that like the thing that I'm concerned about here is that that the phrase female privilege, everything that we can talk about that could be like, quote unquote, an example of female privilege is often it's going to be like a double edged sword. And it's not going to be something that necessarily is is always benefiting those women or it could be physical danger that's involved in this quote unquote privilege when it comes to like the drink buying and stuff. All these things are really going to be a double edged swords. I guess is the main thing I'm just kind of repeating that. So I'll leave it there. Yeah, OK, I agree with that. And I mean, it cuts that cuts both ways. You can say the same thing about male privilege being a double edged sword in many cases. So I agree. Like I don't really like the word privilege because it has this kind of implication to it that like your pampered you have it easy or whatever. And I just don't. Yeah, whenever people talk about white privilege, male privilege, stuff like that, I just I don't like it. I'm sorry. And I just wanted to really quick to like kind of stay. Like I did I did email and text James and I flat out told him that these are my points of view and yet still here here I am. So don't shoot the messenger. Like I've said how the fuck I feel about this. And I was still going to be here. Yeah, we agree. OK, well, then I got to go. I got out. Yeah. I mean, Ryan, what have you and I argued? Yeah, I mean, I mean, no, thanks, Ashley. I mean, and this isn't trying to be rude. You have you have less than a thousand subscribers. I don't even see your Twitter. I'm just saying, I mean, are you even a relevant person to debate? I'm just I'm looking at you. I mean, you're such a nobody that I'm just like I'm over nobody than she is. So you're less of a nobody than her. Ryan, I mean, I mean, I hypocrite has a huge account. I have a very big account. I mean, I mean, we have to be here. I'm glad you are saying I know because you're agreeing not to go. She has more subs than Ryan, which proves female privilege. Ryan is a much better debater. And Ashley has more subs. That's not female privilege. I don't know what I keep thinking you're talking about me. And I'm like, I think she does. But let's let's let Ryan go ahead. I want to answer him really quick. I mean, you must have more uploads than you do subscribers on your YouTube channel. Literally, yes, it's low subscribers. Is it even monetized? I guess it's not. Let's get back to the top. I bet it makes a ton of money with 900 subscribers. I bet you're raking in the day. Hold on. Talk about the platform. I'm such a moron, but you seem so smart. You seem so smart that you're able to get 900 subscribers on YouTube. So you're really smart. It doesn't take being smart to get subscribers on YouTube. Alex, it takes selling out, being a douchebag and being triggering and controversial, which I have a feeling you're very good at. I've never heard of you before this either. I actually. Well, a lot more people have heard of me than you. You know that, so. But I did. I could be your dad. Nobody's heard of either of y'all. Either of y'all combined. Nobody's heard of y'all the way that you made on the Internet. Both of your waves combined. You guys are getting put on mute for a second. Ryan LP, bring us back full circle, guys, because we're getting into the weeds. I feel like we're done here. I feel like we all said what we said. I feel like we all more or less agree on the core issues. So we like, as far as I'm concerned, I we can move on to the Q&A. I also am a busy person, wish it to do. So I don't I don't feel like going in circles. Can I ask you a question? Do you do you recognize the difference between the concept of like individuals having privilege and like specific scenarios and then like structural privilege? What do you mean by structural privilege? Like basically like this this idea of these gender roles enforcing these these particular privilege. It seems like you were in favor of that staying. Like that's a good thing you think it should be. But you acknowledge that it changes over time. Obviously, feminism is evolving the dynamic there. And you would say that's probably a bad thing. Or do you think that it's kind of just the like what do you think about that? Feminism is a bad thing. Yes, women shouldn't be in the workforce. We'd all be better off if women stayed at home having children. I won't elaborate on that because it's it's off topic. But yeah, feminism is a bad thing. OK, yeah, well, so feminism is bad because it changes the structures that are in place that are holding the particular gender roles being where they should be in your mind is what you're saying, right? No, because it attacks the natural order. Yeah, what you think is the natural order. But if it was really the natural order, then it wouldn't matter what these structures are around it. It would just it would be natural, right? It would just it would pervade all of that. Like but it doesn't seem to be doing that because these structures are changing, right? If you guys want to get on that, yeah, that's fair. OK, so these so these then are structural privileges that we're referring to, like at a gender level, right? I just I just don't know what that means. Like, like, like, like, does that mean their policies that are put in place by institutions? Not necessarily. It means that they could be influenced by those policies, but they're not they're not like the direct result. Like it doesn't mean you can draw like a one to one line, although I'm sure in some cases you could. I guess to further it a little bit more like the women are wonderful effect or the way people are more trusting of women on like at first than men. People are more suspicious of men, a man with alone with a child, though, he must be a pedophile. You know what I mean? Is that a structural privilege? Like I would call it like just kind of cultural or maybe maybe just natural. Maybe it makes sense because men are more dangerous than women. You know what I mean? Like that's what I mean by natural order. Like, yeah, probably men are more dangerous, so you probably should be a little bit more careful around them. You know, to me, it just makes sense. So sure, I think I can agree that it might it might be more rational to be more uncomfortable around a man than a woman. But but also this this idea that the women can't be dangerous is also kind of rooted in a lot of misogyny, right? Women can absolutely be. I'm sure we all know women can be very dangerous. No, they can be. But it's just like we're talking like statistical average, of course. Yeah, but I guess what I was you brought up white privilege over earlier, which I think is a good parallel here, because when we talk about like male privilege, we're basically just like in the same way when we talk about white privilege, we're just talking about like things that don't impact you because you're not a person of color, for example. Like that's the same thing that's happening with male privilege is that we're talking about things that don't impact you because you're not a woman, because you don't have this additional thing because pretty much everything that men deal with, except for maybe signing up for the draft. These are going to be things that women also deal with. Plus they have to deal with being a woman and all the different things that come with that. So that's what privilege in that context and the race privilege as well. Like you don't have to deal with racism as a white person, but you still have to deal with like if you're impoverished, all these are. They doesn't mean you have an easy life. Like Alex was saying in his opening statement, doesn't mean your life is perfect. It just means that you have, you don't have to deal with these other specific things that this class of people has to deal with. So what are the things that men have to deal with when we don't have to deal with? You can't be racist to white people. I don't. Yeah, I do think that I'll I'll buy that I'll buy that bullet. That you can be racist to white people. I think you can be bigoted towards them, I guess, a prejudice, but I wouldn't call it racism now. Yeah, well, so we just have different definitions of racism. But I mean, this is like a kind of off topic. Yeah, it is. Well, I mean, do you see the parallel I was drawing? Like the men don't have that women, I'm sorry, that the male privilege is referring to things. I feel like you just made an assertion that that women have it harder. I can't say I'm really compelled to deal with things that are specific to them being women that men don't have to deal with. And I don't know what the opposite is. Like, I don't know what men have to deal with, except for maybe the draft that like women don't also have to deal with. Well, so what are some examples of women? I mean, women give childbirth, but that's like a biological reality. Is there can you give me an example of something that women have to deal with that men don't that isn't. Sexual assault, huge rates being objectified constantly. I mean, being in being in danger of being kidnapped or anything like this. Just some examples, I guess. Yeah, yeah. So no, I disagree with that. What you're saying then, because there's there's you can give examples of like that for men that we already talked about one. Men are viewed with more suspicion by people initially. They have they have to work harder to prove themselves in order to be accepted. And that's not my opinion. Like there's all kinds of studies that find this. So I like, I don't see how that is different. I don't see what the difference was. The difference, the difference there. If we're talking about like people being suspicious of you versus people who might want to or who might want to hurt you. Like we're talking about very different dynamics, right? Like we're talking about people being scared for their lives. Like the women are people. We're talking about women being scared for their safety and we're talking about men being like, well, this person doesn't want to be around me because they're scared for their safety. Like this doesn't it's not exactly a one to one, right? I mean, I feel like that's kind of a dodge because the the core issue is whether or not there's different advantages that the different groups have. The idea to sit here and measure them and say, well, on when you take everything into account, women have it worse. I don't feel like that's possible. I don't feel like we can do those kinds of comparisons. Alex has a tiny pee. Unnecessary, Ashley. Goodness gracious. Well, did you have, sorry, go ahead. But I guess what I'm arguing is, is that that I think there is a case to be made for that because it doesn't seem like when you say that, oh, well, men have to deal with this thing that women don't have to deal with. And the thing is like people being scared of you because you're not a woman and not just because you're not a woman, but because you're not or because I'm sorry, because the woman is the one who's scared that you're going to hurt them, right? Yeah, I see what you say about like my position on this is if you want to take everything on the whole and try to do a comparison at the end of the day, like I already said, it's going to come down to your personal preferences, your personal values. What do you care more about? Some people prefer the male lifestyle and some people prefer the female lifestyle. It's it's impossible to say there's a big advantage. I'd be interested if they ever did a survey that said, like, would you, you know, would you wish you were born the opposite gender? I don't think it's inconceivable that maybe women would be slightly more likely to say yes to that than men. But I don't know about that data actually existing anywhere. But even if that was the case, you know, unless it was like 80 percent on women said yes and 20 percent of men said yes, I don't it's not like so crazy that you can make any kind of definitive conclusion. I don't think it would be that kind of disparity. Well, sure. I think that would be an interesting study. I don't I don't know if that would really answer the question about like who has it or, you know, who has more structural disadvantages or whatever. But it just seems again, it just seems like almost everything that that men have to deal with, I guess, except for being viewed with a little bit more suspicion, almost all of these problems are going to be things that women have to deal with in society. And then they also have to deal with all the other things that come with being a woman. So like, that's why that's why it seems like there is this male privilege to not having to deal with those specific extra things. And that seems that seems to be what's identified by that word. So if we can find the other side of it, like female privilege is like, oh, well, people find you more approachable, but that also means that they might get the wrong idea. If you smile at them, they don't know if you're if you're giving them a sexual invitation. You know, all these other things, again, the double edged sword of it all. It just doesn't it doesn't seem to be the same kind of thing is what's referred to by male privilege. Well, there's more examples than just men are viewed with suspicion or viewed less warmly or more more empathetically. Men are viewed as more expendable. That's why you have women and children first on the Titanic, that sort of thing. There's there's more than just that, you know, a woman can cry in public and no one's going to think less of her. If you're a man, you better not cry in public. Every single person who sees you is going to hold that against you for the rest of your life. Mostly other men, right? That's that's still technically. No, don't if you have a girlfriend or a wife. Technically, not considered a privilege, though. Maybe at your mother's funeral. But yeah, women will look down on a man who cries, because that's not what women want in their men. And that's technically not considered a privilege, my definition. I want you to know men out there. The ability to cry in public without being judged isn't a privilege. It's not considered a privilege. No, actually, that's considered a societal construct. And one one could. Well, it's true. It's absolutely true. So by definition, not a privilege. By definition, the reason that we feel this way or the reason that that is a thing is because of patriarchy, right? Isn't everything a societal construct? I like, I just don't understand what that even supposed to mean. Right. So it's supposed to mean that this is a society that we're feeling more threatened. It's a society that we've built off of these archaic beliefs that we have to have everything gender-specific. Men can't be this, but they can't be this. Women can be this, but they can't be that. What I'm saying is that, in essence, these aren't privileges. These are actually harming us. They're harming all of us. It's harming men and women. That's not a privilege that I can cry in you. You can't. It's not a privilege. Yeah. And in fact, in fact, by definition, it's not a privilege. In fact, in fact, it is damaging. It is hugely damaging to both men and women that men don't feel like they can cry and express their emotions when they feel them. No, I disagree. It's not a question of what you feel like. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. Please let me finish. I'm going to go just to cry for Mr. Bay. All right. It is. Don't cry in front of your girlfriend, guys. I'm telling you, listen, you can cry. There's no point of being like, oh, we should change it. We should be able to cry. You can't do it. So don't do it. I cried and I fucked his mom after I cried. So you can do that as well. I promise we can be serious for a second. I'll give you the floor right. And yeah, I am going to ask you to put the sign down. Ashley, let's try to bring it up a little bit. When it comes to the crying thing, it's not it's not a privilege for women that men can't cry in public, right? In fact, it hurts them because men take out their emotions in harmful ways. This is what we talk about by toxic masculinity as one example is men who men don't feel like they can express their emotions for men out there. It's OK to cry. Don't sob constantly. No one wants to partner with sobs constantly, man or woman. But like, it's OK to express, to feel an emotion and to fucking tear up and cry about it. It's not just it's not just really important. You're a terrible. Advice, this is terrible advice. This is just progressive. Progressive. I promise I fucked way more people in the eyes. I promise you this is a perfect example of how progressive can ever respond. Let's let me respond, Brian. We'll carry out their tree bears and say, you know what? We're wrong. We should go back to how it was that worked better. No, they just say, keep going, keep going, dig deeper. That's progressivism in a nutshell. Yeah, so he's actually saying we should dig deeper into the past. I know about Alex just now. That's a perfect example of female privilege. If he were to help hold up a sign and say, Ashley has a giant gaping cunt. I mean, people would probably get pretty much. He probably would have been told to take that down quicker. Right. I think people get more and more sensitive about mistreating women. Yeah, that's a privilege. Yeah, it's not a societal construct. That is the problem. You know, you know, it is, you know, it is differentiating. You got me. Yeah, the problem with Ashley's argument earlier was not that she was wrong. It's that she was using the fact of it being a social construct as an argument against it being privilege. But that that part is the look. I don't think I don't think she actually agrees with that part. So countering that it's like being like, oh, well, that's all social constructs like, sure, like we can we can expand that and see that's probably true. But that doesn't mean that it's necessarily a privilege, but there's obviously different arguments that need to be made around that. I honestly shouldn't have gone with societal construct, but I was at a loss for words to be quite to be frank. I think that I think that this entire debate is fucking gay and stupid. I'm not really into it. I think that I think that a lot of the debate talking points that are brought up on this show are pretty fucking gay and stupid. I think that their trigger statements and trigger topics. And it's like, oh, let's get like, you know, the flat earth or to come like, like, no, shut the fuck up, like debate something real. So when I do agree to come on here, I'm always very honest. And I'm like, look, I'm not a goddamn moron. Like I understand that female privilege is real, but let's talk about the fucking one. You know, I want to debate that more than I want to debate like some fucking circle jerk bullshit that we all sit around in here every day. And that's just my feelings on it. So yeah, maybe I had your chance to debate that and you kind of blew it. I mean, I agree. I think we all agree we're over this. So we've been going for an hour. Maybe let's do the Q&A and wrap this up. Let's roll into the Q&A. That sounds like a fantastic. I actually like you. I hit the credit. I'm going to subscribe. Oh, hey, that's nice. I don't like you, but I like talking to you. I like you pretty faced. Awesome. All right. Well, let's let's roll into the Q&A. I would like to wait for Alex to get back. But he is he is having I won't make any inappropriate jokes. I always get in trouble. So anyways, he'll be back. I'll make one. I have female privilege. He's probably jerking off somewhere. I think you got called on another Uber. Oh, yeah. I don't know. You guys are savage. My goodness. Coming right at each other. No, it's fine. We've had a lot of fun, obviously, just chatting. But, you know, things don't always go the way that we plan as far as like having, you know, everybody as dichotomous as we'd like them to be. So, yeah, definitely still a big round of applause for you guys for coming out and having the discussion and getting as much out of it as what we can. Yeah, let's read some of the questions. So fact, Junior Roll said this is going to be funny. So glad you had fun with it. Fact, Junior Roll. Sir Thomas Drake says grumpy old man says with a winky face. I'm not sure what that's about. But the last one says a Jupiter darman. This one's for Alex. So Alex, if you can hear us, if you're out there, we have a question here that is just a specific specifically tailored to you as I'm reading it. And I'm like, that's not right. But yeah, if Alex comes back in good time, we'll read it out and then we'll close out the show, everybody. Is that the Latina booties one? I saw that go by. Well, a wild thing. Yeah, I'm not sure if he's going to make it back before we decide to close out. Did you guys have any closing thoughts before I wrap up the stream? I do, but I don't need to go right away. I'll just say that female privilege is real and we all know who's behind it, the Jews. Oh, my goodness. Oh, instantly, all right. Let me just go. I disavow. All right. So yeah, let me just why do you have to be like that? I was having I was well, I have so many words for you after this. Anyways, no, it's fine. Yeah, I don't think I was going to make it back. So we'll close it out, everybody, and thanks for being here. And my closing thought would be, James, I've asked you time and time again, with typecasting me, I think I could do a better better job sometimes arguing the right or if you want to message can I give you the closing your own time? I don't think I gave a closing statement. I'll give a quick one. Yeah, so like I've been trying to say, and the conversation between LP and I, the back and forth, there was was fairly productive, I think when I when I'm talking about or when we talk about female privilege and privilege in general, we're usually talking about things that you don't have to experience. We're referring to problems that you don't have a privilege. It's a privilege to not have to deal with these specific problems. When we talk about white privilege, we're talking about not having to deal with the impacts of racism, right, which is why we would say that you can't really be racist against white because you don't feel those impacts of racism, at least not directly and for most people. And similarly, for male privilege, we're talking about things that men don't have to deal with because they're not women. So if we're talking about female privilege, we have to be talking about things that men deal with specifically. I'm sorry, that women don't have to deal with because they're not men. And it seems like the examples were the draft and being people being suspicious of you. And that's about as far as we got. All in all, pretty gay debate. Oh, and he's closing thoughts. No, because gay is a good thing. And this and the topic is not that good, but it's fine. And he closing thoughts out looks before. Yeah, this was a waste of my time. I'm a pimp on a blimp. I'm Tucker Carlson's biological steps on. I'm with these, you know, two zeros, one other hero, whether one other pimp on a blimp. And I just wasted my time on a subject that we all agree on. And Ryan's acting like we don't. Ryan's actually a pretty nice guy. I kind of like your vibe, right? You're actually a pretty good guy. Ashley, you're immature, which I expect from a woman, but one day you will mature and I'm sure you'll get wifed up and knocked up. You got, you know, you don't look half bad when you're. I have boobs and a vagina. What are you going to say? What can you do? And you got enough paint, you know, on your face. You look halfway. Exactly. No, you got it going on like Donkey Kong. But I'm the real pimp on a blimp. Everybody knows that I won this debate from the start. You guys were too afraid to actually debate me. That's why you conceded at the very beginning. Ryan gave it up by saying one line and then Ashley had nothing like a typical lady with, you know, could talk the talk, but couldn't walk the walk. Once again, when you get on a blimp with a real pimp like myself, I always win. So this was easy. Are we done? Which is not even me. We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll. Yeah, your small, small, small mind couldn't understand it. That's the problem. Well, we're glad that you made it up. Hell Tucker, I say, hey. I will. I'll talk to him tonight. And we're going to talk and go over how great the interview was and expose a lot of stuff about 9-11 and about in the moon landing, some funny stuff. We talked a lot about vaccines and other stuff. Oh, wow. Love those love vaccines. Yeah. Well, yeah, we'll get off the air then before we do say anything that's going to get us in more trouble. Stop saying that, Ashley. Gosh, you're going to get us kicked off. Vaccines are the tremendous. They're great. They're effective. Full on ending to that, that will have to be wiped away. So thanks, everybody, for coming out. And we'll see you over at Matters Now for the after show. Cheers. Peace out. Peace. Yeah. Nice meeting you all. Are we off? Are we off air? We will be once this response. Oh, isn't that fun? Hey, everybody. Are we off air now? No, actually, because I went to hit stop streaming and OBS went, nah, I'm going to think about it. So, you know what? We'll just hang out for a second here. I mean, you can leave it to me and chat if you want, but...