 We're gonna talk about Will Smith and the apology he's done on Instagram. Greg wants to tell us about the videos We're gonna watch. Yeah, there's not much more to talk about except for this is three months after he slapped Chris Rock at The Oscars and he's coming to do an apology. We'll see whether we believe him or not Why didn't you apologize to Chris in your acceptance speech? I Was fogged out by that point It's it's it's it's all fuzzy. I've reached out to Chris and The mesh the message that came back is that he's not ready to talk and when he is he will Reach out So I will I will say to you Chris I Apologize to you My behavior was Unacceptable and I'm here whenever you're ready to talk All right chase you want to go first sure So he kind of reads the message in a really clinical way I think this is potentially reducing the feeling of accusatory speech internally Not necessarily shaping a narrative for us and this is my opinion as is this entire video our opinions But he's very stiff here and I think this is potentially anger or resistance We see his lip tightening during this initial response. We see his lips get really tight there Which is usually resistance and during this discussion about waiting for Chris to reach out we see this kind of hand gesture and Then some more pacifying or Adapting with the thumbs here. You'll see that throughout and the during the apologizing gesture There's this knife hand that comes out and we're seeing that at right at discussing the message that came in from Chris And when he says my behavior, this is the farthest upward his lip goes for the entire video And this might suggest some kind of disgust or disagreement You can decide what he's disgusted with or disagreeing with and the self soothing behavior. You're gonna see a whole lot of The tension in the lips based on previous interviews Good thing we have a lot of videos of of him to go back and look at Suggest that there's some withholding there, but I don't think this is an indicator of deception here It's probably a disagreement with timing format publicity He was likely asked to do this by a production management team or somebody who is heavily invested Probably financially or socially in his image. It's all I got there Scott. We got All right, I think this is a pretty odd place for him to be doing an apology like this. There's so much going on in the room It's distracting. I don't get that. I don't know I'm sure Mark's got something to say about the psychology behind all that But it's there's so much going on in there the colors. He's wearing or these drab Colors the whole room looks there's so much going on in there I don't know if it's too distract or to make it look like he's distracted You got a lot going on or whatever we see him using it when he said there before he starts Asking the question that supposedly people have asked We see those adapter that adapter is hands questioning other like that a little bit His behaviors odd his diction is so good if you turn the sound off You can you'll know what he's saying because he uses his whole mouth. It's almost it It's over the top. It's a little bit too much. So I'm under the impression He may be under some some kind of medication or something maybe on something like that To help calm him down or maybe he's been on something like that since the the whole thing happened But let's pay attention to that as we go through these let's pay attention to his diction his eyebrow movement and Just his tone in general because it's pretty it's pretty solid all the way through and we don't see much movement up in the up in That brow, which is kind of odd as well He's so pronounced when he's reading the question that he looks angry at points I'm not seeing true anger in there, but I'm seeing what looks like I think just because the way he's shaping his mouth to say the words perfectly that it looks He looks like he's angry. I think there are a lot of edits in this as there probably should be But they try to make it look like there aren't because at one point his hands will be here Then they'll be down to his sides when it cuts to the next picture or the next shot of him And when he says when he's talking about Chris Trying to reach out to him. He says when he is he will reach out It's when he does that little adapter there little scratch and and all that stuff and I don't think there's I'm not seeing a lot of emotion. We may be seeing sadness or whatever But it seems very somber and and and just almost a flat line of emotion at that point And mark, what do you got? Yeah, so I agree scott. It's it's heavily produced for an internet apology. It's not the usual kind of iPhone job that that often people put out. It's got some classic tropes in there He's in white. It's a very white room So there is that that sense of purity going on there There's some nice images one of which you you sent me scott, which is the book on his table an art book by l and that's suey I hope i'm pronouncing that right Gunnies artist who turns what we would Usually ascribe to being junk bits of plastic bottle tops into quite epic sculptures So there's this idea of transform transforming the kind of the garbage into something quite new and quite beautiful And there he is in this pristine stuff. He's now to your point chase He's got his westbrook cap on westbrook is is the kind of holding company that he and his his ex-wife and there are other shareholders as well and they own some quite important collateral properties And so this is as much Um, I would say an apology that's going out to us the general public as it is an apology that's going to hit the industry So well produced industry apology as well as an internet apology going on We've got up in the background there Um, the world is sick. Love is the cure. Well, that's a really nice truism. I mean, is it sick? I mean, maybe maybe not is love the cure possibly possibly not but it sounds pretty good Looks pretty good great truism great kind of motivational poster there Up on on the wall just in case we need something to latch onto which isn't him and what he might have done Wrong and I think that's the point of that either consciously or unconsciously Look, here's what happens in film production. Some of it is super conscious and we hope it's usually super conscious and some of it is it is kind of subconscious and unconscious and just the work of Artists doing what they feel is the right thing at the time It's interesting before this particular moment. If you watch the whole video we have A voiceover of just heavy sighs from smith just breathing So it's overly produced to give us this framework of heavy emotion Before we even see him this this breathing of sorrow and depression Even before we see him. So it's being framed beautifully for us We seem adapting with his with his thumbs and you're right Scott This changes from time to time. There's some some big edits in there Look, the main thing for me in terms of what his his behavior is saying is he says I was fogged out It's all fuzzy to that to that question. So we avoid zip See it's that kind of I don't quite remember why I did what I did We're going to hear a different story a bit later on that doesn't quite match with that. So that's going to be interesting I think what he's doing is avoiding the true feelings here As to why he chose to say what he said and I think we're going to see him Avoid the true feelings because they won't play that well For the for the audience and we as the audience in the industry need to know that he has changed His his personality a little bit on this whether he has or not. That's a different thing He deflects that ball of a question and he knocks it very clearly into chris rocks caught and kind of goes Hey, it's it's kind of up to him now to contact me. I've done My bit Greg, what do you think? Yeah agreed. You've covered most of it I think the big one is what you said last mark. He doesn't answer the question at all He says, okay. I tried to apologize after He doesn't say I didn't because Because why there's not an answer. So he has to just come up with something. He starts off milling in his hands That's an adapter. We say comforting moves from all adapters are comforting moves in some way because you're releasing nervous energy That answer where he does the weird lip thing is kind of in his baseline if you go look at him It's kind of amusement in his upper face and then that lip thing I have a really good friend named darin that I think Does exactly that when he's amused before he starts to go back with an answer to people I see it all the time if you're watching darin, you know who you are That answer is in his baseline and that half smile thing is part of his persona I think he's done it so many times, but he is uncomfortably touches his mouth You're talking about that scott when he starts to stroke the facial hair That's an adapter to release nervous energy and his eyes go down to the right We associate with emotion when he says my behavior at my behavior and you see Everybody's disgust will look different depending on bone structure depending on the way your skin and your face is made But you certainly see disgust not just in his lips chase. I agree with you there But also in his nose up around the edges of his nose. You can see a rise in his face I think he's disgusted with that He's adapting constantly as he speaks And one thing that I would point out scott is culture matters South jersey filly that over annunciating the way you speak is cultural Very much part of that culture. I have friends who mind you and they're not aggressive They're just talking to you, but that's the way they talk I said to them before if you talk to people where I live that way You might be in the parking lot rolling around a little bit So it just depends on culture in some cases and I think that's part of his upbringing part of who he is Maybe that's why it shows his teeth more The last couple of things I would say is what I see here is regret and apprehension What's it about don't know don't know if it's regret about slapping Chris rock is it regret about a relationship with somebody that has gone south as a result of it about his career Don't know, but I do see regret. I do see apprehension. It's all I got Why didn't you apologize to chris in your acceptance speech? Um I was fogged out by that point It's it's it's it's all fuzzy. I've reached out to chris um And the mesh the message that came back is that uh, he's not ready to talk And when he is he will reach out um So I will I will say to you uh chris, I Apologize to you. Um, my behavior was unacceptable And I'm here whenever you're ready to talk I I want to apologize to chris's mother. I saw an interview that chris's mother did and You know, that was one of the things about that moment. I just didn't realize And you know, I wasn't thinking but how many people got hurt in that moment So I want to apologize to chris's mother. I want to apologize to chris's family Specifically tony rock, you know, we had a great relationship You know, tony rock was my man um And uh, this this is this is probably irreparable All right mark. What do you got? Yeah, so I like these uh asymmetrical gestures that he does wheeling around in his head there kind of explaining the thoughts of chaos and confusion that we're going on and then we get an eye block and the hands blocking as well um to show um To show his blindness there that he he can't kind of now see or couldn't see at the time what was really going on Um, I wasn't thinking he says and kind of double blocks there. Um very congruent I would say actually, I mean this this feels like it's actually quite And looks like it it's quite truthful again in the in the environment around him interesting to see that mic there I mean i'd be interested scott whether you think that's the mic that's actually picking him up now I don't think he's ever got a really good quality Mic down here or a boom mic So so, you know, my question becomes scott is like why the kind of almost sm 58 in there It's not an sm 58, but it's close to it. Well, it's the icon of stand-up. It's the icon of rapping It's the icon of pop. It's having that icon next to him Um, that that would affiliate him with the person who he's kind of done wrong to and affiliate him with the industries It's it's not necessary for it to be there. It's not doing the sound On that one. Uh, tony rock was my man and we get this, um Hand clap on there giving the finality of that again Very very congruent there. So I believe it's true. What he's what he's saying here But chase what do you think what do you go on this one? Yeah, there's I agree with you There's some emotional accessing where his eyes go down into his right to our left Then it's it's more powerful here In an apology to the mother than in the apology to chris and that's something that's pretty noteworthy And he mentions this video of her interview and shifts to emotional accessing And stays there inside of that emotional eye movement to where we're accessing emotional memories is what that means And he stays there for more than any other topic that he covers Which I think is is a very key data point here that when somebody apologizes Here's three filters to look at that apology through so number one is do they mention their own behavior? Or is it vague do they actually talk about what they did or are they Vagging it out by just saying the words behavior or actions Number two, do they communicate with some kind of sincerity? Does it look like a sincere apology at number three? Do they discuss how it impacted the person they're apologizing to? that's a big deal And these don't necessarily mean deception because there's a difference between truth and a genuine apology Uh They can definitely reveal a lot about an apology though. So here We're seeing this vague mentions of behavior no mention of how it affected the other person And it appears to be sincere so far like mark. You were you were just saying And at least we aren't seeing deception indicators here, but keep in mind. There's a difference between honesty truth facts sincerity stress and then just lying So There's a big difference here. So was it real? Was it fake? It depends on what definition you're using greg Yeah, my my gut says this is the reason for the apology not criss-rock not criss-rock at all Yes, there's a part of it that's for us. There's also a part of it that is if you listen to his words He says I wasn't thinking but how many people got hurt not how many people I hurt when I did this That's a crafty delivery of an apology. He's not apologizing to criss-rock He's apologizing for causing hurt to other people He also listened as we progress he's going to talk more about us us out here Not those people us So part of this is business and we all know it they're in a business where they have to be like because we're going to spend their money on them But if you watch him, I agree with you. He goes immediately when he says mother There's an emphatic head nod as he says that and he shows Some concerning his brows as he says mother and then those center tips of his brows go up We associate that with sorrow. He withdraws his lips and his mouth goes down and You'll see him drop his head down to the right as well like you talked about And purse his lips after that and that's in disappointment. I think we're seeing all of that So I think that part's legitimate when he talks about tony rock You see his face light up up in this part not much in the lower face So we associate that typically with amusement So or with happiness about the person in the relationship And then he says it may be gone. He drops that hand when he says my man You said it earlier mark that drop that drop emphatic. I think all this makes us think Yes, he came to realization that he needed to apologize from a larger perspective to us And to bring up the mother and the brother and all that this is not at all This is not at all about chris rock not at all and we'll hear more later about why and what he feels But I believe the apology can be sincere and him still not be apologizing to chris rock. That's my point scott All right, we're seeing like mark was talking about larger Use of illustrators here and this is so far the biggest we've seen and that makes sense He's trying to get a big point across he's leading up to the part about his mom or about chris's mom That's why he does his hands like this to show I think that's to show a group You know, so what a circle or a big group people is he's worried about Fixing this for The mixing of the illustrators, I think that's supposed to to give us the indication He's all mixed up and still mixed up goes along with the room Which is all those different things like you're saying earlier mark that microphone has nothing to do with what's going on there I don't I don't know why that's there. I kept thinking about that too when he turns toward you don't hear a change at all And I think you're out easy to mic or you know, he's got something stuck in here. He's got a got one over him His illustrators are correctly timed quite often will associate Illustrators that don't land when they're supposed to land on the words with someone being insincere or deceptive and here I think they're on time and they look the way they should and So far this is the most this is the most emotion we've seen But keep in mind and start paying attention to his eyes where they're looking because a lot of the times what he's doing I know he's got some notes down there He's checking because you can see his eyes go you can see him reading Going back and forth a little bit there. So he's checking his notes. He knows what these questions are But I still think it's odd the way he's reading the question so clearly and so perfectly That's again what I think he may be on some kind of medication. Nothing wrong with that. He probably needs at this point But that's just the behavior I'm seeing All right, I'm good Yeah, all good Chase man, you're leaning. It's just lacking right now I want to apologize to chris's mother. I saw an interview that chris's mother did and You know, that was one of the things about that moment. I just didn't realize And you know, I wasn't thinking but how many people got hurt in that moment So I want to apologize to chris's mother. I want to apologize to chris's family Specifically tony rock, you know, we had a great relationship You know, tony rock was my man And this this is this is probably irreparable I spent the last three months replaying and Understanding the nuances and and the complexities of what happened in in that moment And I'm not going to try to unpack all of that right now, but I can say to All of you there is no part of me That thinks that was the right way to behave in that moment There's no part of me that thinks that's the optimal way to handle a feeling of disrespect or or insults All right, greg, what do you got? Yeah, this one's pretty quick for me Um, there's a real tongue jet at three months. That's a tongue jet of the classic kind You can see his lips part just a little in his tongue push through that's distaste So he's probably thinking, you know Why did I wait so long that kind of thing? And so he's showing us that he has distaste in that case. This isn't me. It's bigger than me getting angry He's going down a path of trying to say it's not me. This is a much bigger thing. This is all about Things that happen and people who behave in a bad way and look when he goes to no part of me Thinks that this was the right way. Look at that brow. Look at that brow This is I tell you all the time little johnny comes in and says and the cat broke the cookie jar That's that move that he's waiting for approval The interesting piece is the only cast his eyes down right one time And that's when that tongue jut comes out and then he scott does what we call in true crime workshop The romance or he makes hard eye contact the rest of the time is if he's talking to an individual That's the most emphatic thing he's done yet with that brow up. We've seen him moving it a good bit But that's the most powerful use of the brow we've seen And then when you say this isn't about This isn't about that I say to all of you this isn't about boom. That's damage control Now I believe because his lips with her immediately after now I believed Because he says it's disrespect or insult and a feeling of I think now he's protecting something mark Whether it's a family relationship where said you better go apologize or whether it's a manager Who said you better go apologizing not going to work anymore Or whether it's something else altogether something in his ego can't tell that Can't read his mind, but I don't think it's about chris rock at all I think it's about us collectively and what we think of him not necessarily his mother any of that Scott what do you got? All right, he's coming on like there are all these complexities and nuances to what he did He's lost his temper went there and slapped him. That's it There's there are no He's This is the the part that really gets on my nerves because he's acting like there's so much going on He didn't understand and doesn't know why I didn't know that. I know I did it You know, I did it and and that's where we're sitting. He's trying to make it look like there's always going on I guess to fill up this to get this Thing he's making to get an apology for to apology for to get our forgiveness for him to do this It's ridiculous His cadence speeds up and slows down in here and his diction becomes even sharper as as he over illustrates Everything he's talking about. So it seems to me so far this the this is the least Um sincere moment we've seen up to this point. All right mark. What do you got? Yeah, I agree There's there's also a logic drop in there as well scott because if he spent the last three months, you know looking at the nuance and unpacking it and and really looking at that complexity of it Why is it still fogged and fuzzy? You can't have both you can't have both things Well, I think it's fogged and fuzzy because he doesn't want to tell us exactly what you said there, which is He got angry went up and he slapped the guy, you know, and then afterwards went. Oh, I shouldn't have done that. Should I? Yeah, it's probably not that Complex. Yeah, there may be some all kinds of stuff that he can talk through with his therapist or friends or family I I totally understand that but when it comes down to it the basic emotion there is most likely anger Most likely just plain old anger being turned into aggression there. I would imagine Anyway, he needs us to know that you know, he's now moved forward And so we get this really strong gesture of jumping over these hurdles or moving the walls forward So he's a bigger person. He's taking up more space there. He really has moved on and again, gregg I agree that that's not really necessary for for us, you know, normal people at home That's for the industry to say, hey, you know treat treat my commodities. Well, treat treat my industry Well, he's got some important holdings and you know, I'm ready to get back to work And I'm ready for you to be good investors in my company What is interesting for me though is that he does admit the feeling of being the feeling of being Disrespected and of being insulted not a feeling of being insulted. He was insulted. So Somebody insulted him. He felt disrespected. You got up. He hit the guy It's probably about that simple chase chase. You got it. You got any more complex than that? What do you got? Now you guys got all the cool behavior stuff. So let's just break down the the linguistics side of this He says you need to understand nuance and complexities So that's his behavior. So the reasons for his behavior are nuanced and complex Not the other person Only for him The other person didn't say those things on stage because it was nuanced and complex. That was just simple to understand The aggressor is nuanced and complex and he says there's no part of me that thinks this was the right way to behave This is distancing language And when he says it was not the optimal way we see this little thing here mark talks about this all the time And this suggests that it wasn't bad. It wasn't the worst. He's just saying it's not the best That's that's what that means and the only mention of true negative behavior in this entire clip Belongs to chris rock It's disrespectful and insults. No distancing language whatsoever It's directly negative pointing at chris rocks behavior Lots of shifts down to internal dialogue this way. This is where his eyes move down into his left And the words he uses for his own behavior. Let's just recap our behavior Thing and not optimal. Those are the three As opposed to chris rocks behavior being disrespectful and insulting So interesting way to to phrase this from a linguistics point of view I spent the last three months replaying and Understanding the nuances and and the complexities of what happened in in that moment And I'm not going to try to unpack all of that right now, but I can say to All of you there is no part of me That thinks that was the right way to behave in that moment There's no part of me that thinks that's the optimal way to handle A feeling of disrespect or or insults After jada rolled her eyes, did she tell you to do something? No It's like You know, I'm I made a choice on my own from my own experiences from my history with chris jada had nothing to do with it I'm sorry, babe I'm gonna say sorry to my my kids and my family for the heat that I brought on All of us To all my fellow nominees, you know, this is a community It's like I won because you you voted for me and it really breaks my heart to have stolen and and tarnished tarnished your moment I can still see quest loves eyes, you know, it happened on quest loves award and You know It's like I'm I'm I'm sorry really is it sufficient All right, I'll go first on this one His voice tone completely changes here obviously and he's This is different from any other type of apology I've ever seen where somebody goes from this really sad thing to this thing Where he's trying to look all cutesy and sound like The will smith that is in movies and and stuff like that It's just really odd sounding and to see him do that But he dapps with this adapts with his hands through the whole reading of the question He starts there like he did at the beginning and then This whole trying to to show how he was being a bad boy and it's okay because he's it's almost like he's saying I'm being naughty or something like that just so cornball at that point. He's doing it and like mark was saying earlier Here he contradicts himself from saying how fuzzy things were he talks about how you remember seeing quest loves eyes During that and how that made him feel bad So he's remembering all these little details when he says it's all fuzzy He doesn't remember anything he's got that stuff in his room So it makes it look like there looked like there's a lot going on. He's confused and everything and then Again, he's trying to um I don't know. It just it just it's just a gross feeling to see him doing this. It didn't it's just such a off-putting Thing he's trying to pull off here. It makes me it makes me uneasy looking at him I'm sure he's he's trying to be as honest as he possibly can because he's got to apologize But just seems so fake chase. What do you got? Yeah, I agree with you. What we're seeing here is contempt in one part of this I think he's slightly offended by this question And I think laughing it off like this might be a sign at this point Uh jada being in charge of him Is that he's very sensitive about And I know nothing about his life. Just the behavior we're seeing in this clip Suggest that he's very sensitive about this point and needs to reassert how Small of a deal it is and make it a smaller deal to reassert some kind of masculinity Uh, when he says sorry to my kids and family There's a mismatched illustrator and scott was just talking about this It's my kids and my family and then his hand his hand goes down. You can see it perfectly Let's say sorry to my my kids and my family for the heat that I brought on And The heat that I brought on is what he's saying But he's saying this about his family and people around him, but he's saying the heat that I brought on He's pointing to himself This could mean that he and his family are kind of the same It could mean that he's thinking about just the heat that he brought on himself I'll leave that up to you to decide greg Yeah, a couple of things listen when he is talking about the nominees to his cadence to all my fellow nominees You know, this is a community. It's like I won because you you voted for me and it really breaks my heart Then listen when he's talking about his family and whether or not Jada told him to do something jada had nothing to do with it I'm sorry bae Um Let's say sorry to my my kids and and my family Well, when he's talking about the nominees that's kind of just wrote But when he's talking about her everything slows down and he navigates the words very carefully For me, that's the red flag because he doesn't do that very often and he uses a mix of words on my own From my own experience with chris. There's a cadence shift and a navigation Ding ding ding something's up right there What we know is that there is baggage with him and jada pinkett smith and chris rock from past jokes So that's part of the whole equation As far as did she tell him to do something? She didn't have to because remember relationships to micro cultures And I guarantee you every person who's married if your wife or husband goes That's a fight starter right there. If they do that and then make eye contact with you It's like are you going to sit there? So did she make him do something? No Nobody can make you do anything with that signal But in a relationship a lot of dynamic is going on. We can't see behind the curtain Insiders to hollywood will tell you all kinds of things. Maybe people who know all these people But we don't what we're doing is working from here He does that lower teeth exposed thing in a big way this time scott And maybe it is anger micro expression of anger Maybe it's something not even micro an expression of anger. Maybe it's just culture But when he talks about that at the end of the my history with chris You see distaste or disapproval right there as he's talking about jada had nothing to do with it And then that uncharacteristic pause for me I would climb all over that because something's going on right in there. It doesn't make it feel like it's an apology It's more of a trying to push off. Nobody made me do it. I did something wrong But not actually even saying I did something wrong not coming out and saying look I was a if if I were if I walked up and slapped somebody on stage I would probably come back and said hey, I was a dumb ass. You know, I did something stupid. We're not hearing that Does he feel Some kind of remorse. Yeah, does he feel remorse for slapping chris rock? Not sure that's true That's what I got mark. What do you got? Yeah, uh, so I agree this laugh that he that he does is very different from what we've seen elsewhere And it just reminds me of stuff. He's doing the fresh prince of bel-air. It is that kind of boyish absurdity Around stuff now. It's not that that's not probably some part of him. He's a great performer So he's always bringing out parts of him But it's still relatively performative. It's still Relatively you kind of thinking I think you're acting your way through this You're performing your way through this bit at this point. So, uh, you know, just as you were saying this Scott it it really does stand out that bit as very very different and causes some alarm bells I'm sorry, baby says and when we see contempt at that point now Uh, is it contempt for her? What if if it is contempt for her then any relationship would be doomed? We know that from some some extraordinary, um, uh Tests that were done where uh in therapeutic sessions if you saw one part on the show contempt for the other They ended up partying from each other. It was it was, you know, a really good call Um, well, what we see is that his eyes go down as well. I would say in shame So I think it's more likely not contempt for her It's more likely some kind of contempt and shame for himself and we'll we'll hear about that a little bit later as well Bitterness in the mouth absolutely when he talks about quest love So some real kind of bitterness and pain that it happened around That particular great icon of of music and and culture as well But interesting. I think we're starting to see the the contempt turned inwards Uh, and that's a very strong Shame that we might be starting to see here now. What's it really shame about? Yeah, as as people have been saying, maybe it's not that much shame around Chris rock, but shame around breaking the cultural Norm for that particular industry and that particular environment After jayda rolled her eyes, did she tell you to do something? No um, it's like You know, I'm I made a choice on my own from my own experiences from my History with chris jada had nothing to do with it I'm sorry, babe I'm gonna say sorry to my my kids and my family for the heat that I brought on All of us To all my fellow nominees, you know, this is a community It's like I won because you you voted for me and it really breaks my heart to have stolen And and tarnished tarnished your moment um I can still see quest loves eyes, you know, it it happened on quest loves award and you know It's like I'm I'm I'm sorry really isn't sufficient What would you say to the people who looked up to you Before the slap or people who expressed that you let them down um So there's two things one um Disappointing people is my central trauma um, I hate When I let people down um, so it It hurts It hurts me psychologically and emotionally to know I didn't live up to people's Image and impression of me and the work I'm trying to do is I am deeply remorseful And I'm trying to be remorseful without being ashamed of myself All right. I'm a human and I made a mistake and I'm trying not to think of myself as a piece of um So I would say to those people I know it was confusing. I know it was shocking um But I I promise you I am Uh deeply devoted and committed to putting light and love and joy into the world and You know If you if you hang on I promise we'll be able to be friends again All right chase. What do you got? I think this is the most honest clip so far And he says that's important Uh To feel remorse or Or he's communicating the message it's important to feel remorse without changing or modifying your identity about a mistake I think that's an important piece of advice for everybody You can feel remorse without calling yourself names The closed eyes here are different than what you see when someone's being smug or self-centered And here's the here's the difference. There's a downward head gaze There's a lack of an eyebrow raise when you see people close their eyes and raise their eyebrows at the same time While they're talking the whole different deal And when you see someone who's smug you'll see a head tilt and a head back while they're while they're explaining some of that stuff Like if you ask someone why they just bought an electric car, they might say, well, you know, it's good for the environment And you'll see the head tilt head back maneuver But he's still reluctant to discuss his specific behavior and throughout this clip. He's using pacifying adaptive behaviors And there's some discomfort here and a need to feel some sort of control And we've talked about this before In the previous episode when we analyzed Will Smith, this was all about a feeling of loss of control in your life typically sprouts up During key moments and we'll talk about that maybe in a second Mark, what do you get? Yeah, so there's a big piece of spin here for me Which he spins it into letting people down being his central trauma Well, the question was about what do you want to say to people who feel let down not, you know That that's your central trauma. It was a very swift maneuver into now this being about him so I think that's that's Purposeful so that it distracts from Others pain around this and we can get into his trauma his pain And and feel for him because he wants to move us along in this drama because ultimately he wants to move us along He wants to move us into the next part of his career. He's looking for a comeback Why not because you know people do deserve a comeback if they do the right things They deserve a comeback and people love a comeback, you know, of course they do it's it's great drama So there's nothing wrong with this, but it's just like we know what you're doing It's a it's a beautiful little spin maneuver there Um I blocked there in in shame and and staccato rhythm And so I think we are getting some truthful pain around the the shame now the interesting thing here is this idea of kind of Contempt being pushed upon himself and him being ashamed of himself and he's saying that's what I want to avoid I want to avoid that shame about myself That's that's all good. I totally agree chase that that would be that could be devastating and could be You know, uh hugely depressing, you know Traumatically depressing if you do that However, you do still have to show shame in order to make a comeback. You still have to do an an overt very clear display of shame for the group because if you don't the group can't trust you and so Different cultures different societies have different rituals that happen and customs that happen and ways that you do it Families have ways that you do it little groups have ways that they do it So, you know, in my mind, he really needs to get past this idea of it being his central trauma Could be true or false and I'm sure it's very very true. So okay good But he has to get past that and be able to show The industry the people involved the people he wronged that sense of shame or he won't I think Get the comeback that he's looking for because it cannot be trusted. Uh, that's all I got on that one Greg, what do you think? Yeah, this is two different stories entirely to me The first is probably true where he's going through and he's telling you about his feelings and how he feels in this case And often we use our eyes as barriers We're closing our eyes to give us space as we're talking about something painful We see it all the time in real life in people So they'll tell you and it was one of the worst experiences in my life That you expect so he's giving you something that's internal then it changes After he does that he does all that adapting and he goes into and I'm going to jump ahead because we cover most of these things But he goes into something in the interrogation room Red flags me immediately and that's he starts to talk about how he's feeling and his eyes drop down into his left And he is talking slowly and navigating if I'm sitting here and I'm going to tell you all about how much I care about you Scott, you know, you mean so much to me and does that look right to anybody here when you're talking about feelings When you're trying to get information out about feelings when you're talking about something from your core You're if you're going to look down you're going to look down to your right Usually you'll make eye contact with somebody you're trying to give that information So it's a bs indicator for me And I feel like this is a packaged message. This last part is about a packaged message Look, I'm a human being actually honestly a better apology. You couldn't ask for I'm a human being. I really screwed up I did something stupid. That's what he should have said in the very beginning What he's getting to is finally saying those words at the end of this entire Thing but he's doing it in a way that hedges and you know, will smith if you're watching this If you ever have to apologize again, just get to it quickly because then all the rest is window dressing people love you They watch your movies You could have come in and said I made a mistake. I'm human boom I wish I waited three months. That's what this whole message says scott. What do you got? Once again, he's trying to make it look like he's reading this for the first time We're hearing this question for the first time. So that makes me a little bit uneasy And then what he's talking what he's saying. This is all therapy talk. This is this is exactly I'm sure whatever the therapist said to him and he's just spitting that back out because that's what he absorbed when they said Look, man, you know, this is normal. You're human. You're this you're that and that's the way humans do And I'm sure he's just repeating that back out almost as as trying to um reassure himself of of That's what's going on at this point. I think he closes his eyes and slows down because That's the part he wants to make sure he gets a he gets across. That's the most important part to him About how he has to correct his behavior and he's got to sell it at that point. So I'm Pretty sure that's what that is. And I think this I hate to say this part, but I don't I mean, I'm sure he feels bad at some Part of but I don't think he feels as bad as he's coming on that he feels as bad about at this point That's me All right. We good Yeah, all right What would you say to the people who looked up to you before the slap or people who expressed that you let them down? um So there's two things one um Disappointing people is my central trauma. Um, I hate When I let people down um, so it It hurts Uh, it hurts me psychologically and emotionally to know I didn't live up to people's image and impression of me and The work I'm trying to do is I am deeply remorseful And I'm trying to be remorseful without being ashamed of myself right, I'm human and I made a mistake and I'm trying not to think of myself as a piece of um So I would say to those people. I know it was confusing. I know it was shocking um But I I promise you I am deeply devoted and committed to putting light and love and joy into the world and you know If you if you hang on I promise we'll be able to be friends again All right, let's still round the room and see what everybody's got to say as an overview We'll take 30 seconds or less mark. What do you got? Yeah, I think this is less a message for us people film watchers at home I think it's a message for the industry Uh in general, I would say I think it's said best by that poster up the back of him the world is is ill and love is the cure um Yeah, wil smith is really nothing to do with any of the wrongs that have gone on It's all about the world Just showing, you know love and light out there is going to solve everything And we don't need to look at wil smith any more any more and kind of go I think you just lost it got angry. You couldn't control yourself. He did a bad thing Um, he's trying to maneuver past that I think it's a bit of a shame Uh, because it could be a simple easy Apology at this point Chase, what do you think? Yep, I think we're still seeing wil exhibiting some of these traits of somebody who's genuinely bringing For most of his life love and positive energy wherever he goes And this often comes these people like this often comes with the side of repressing a lot of negative emotions You see this in people like robin williams, especially and An exponential buildup of resentment tends to happen here and when the resentment is also about control One single event that shines a really bright light on a person's lack of control will cause all of that to escape Sometimes very quickly and rapidly in one scenario, and I think that's what we saw A few months ago, and I think that's what we're seeing the apology for Uh, greg, what do you got? Yeah, we don't know what's going on inside their relationship We know that you know, they're done all kinds of things and this red table interview and all that and that probably creates A certain amount of stress There's also this part that chris rock has made jokes about her in the past I think um, I forget the exact joke, but you can look it up So there's baggage there and i'm sure there's been behind the scenes something going on in relationships Microcultures and microcultures and we don't know what goes on there But almost guaranteed if today your wife goes And then makes hard eye contact with you you certainly will feel some urge to do something to correct the situation This is not a good choice, especially considering where he was but At the end of the day this apology could have been very succinct very simple. Hey, I made a mistake and I did something stupid and But nothing simple. It's hollywood scott. What do you got? Yeah, I think we've got too many details that mean absolutely nothing in this and I think it had to be You can't just come on and say hey, I'm sorry and move along He's got to add all this stuff to it So I think we saw a lot of things being added to it What he should have in my opinion what he should have said came out and said look I got mad because he dissed my wife and I slapped him shouldn't have done it. Sorry. I did it Chris. I'm sorry, man I called him wouldn't talk to me. Hello wouldn't talk to me either for doing something like that embarrassed the squad out of him in front of the world During the oscars. That's horrible. Should have done it man. That was a bad mistake. That's crazy. What happened I shouldn't have done it And boy am I ever sorry That's it That's what I think you should have said and that's where I that's where I think I land on that. Is it Too much in there and you just should have said hey look man. I'm sorry And just what I said and then moved on All right, we're good. Yeah He could probably deep fake that apology that you just did there and put that out next Be perfect. I'll bet you somebody I'll do something with it He's faking it as we speak right now. Oh man. All right All right, fellas, I think this is a good one. We'll see you next time. See you So what do you got?