 It's gonna be a great day. What's up guys? Welcome to the Matt Beck podcast today I've got a special guest, so we're gonna We're gonna talk to him talk about that talk about everything Let me get this up this podcast is brought to you by my friends at Minerva beauty calm check out our salon This is a little video. I shot this morning. We got some new color trays. So check those out. They're all in gold They have them in black silver But they're super cool and they just create the most beautiful salon furniture ever So if you're looking for new salon furniture, check out Minerva beauty calm backslash FSE and you'll get a discount. So check them out and that's pretty much that so Super excited again. I got a special guest today Johnny Livingston is in the house. Let me see if I can pull you on here pal Um, there he is. So what's up? Good man, so we had we had a little bit of technical difficulties this morning, but we made it made it happen, right? Yeah, we had had some technical issues. We won't explain what happened We'll just say that we couldn't figure it out and it took about a half an hour, but we're all good Yeah, we're good to go. So I've known Johnny for Probably about what two or three years now two years. Yeah about three. Yeah, we're going on three. So Super talented guy. So, uh, you know What I'll say to the people out there that don't maybe don't know who you are is that? you put so much effort into just Becoming successful in the industry. I mean when you when you look at a lot of people and some of the questions that we'll probably even have today Um, a lot of people ask like what do you do to be successful? In this industry and it's really just a lot of hard work, right? Yeah, a lot of hard work Yeah, but check it out. It's one of them things where you gotta know you gotta Make a goal and like really do everything you can to strive to get it Yeah, that's the easiest way to put it and uh, and I see those awards behind your head. So Yeah, there you go. The Cosmic Prop Award Oh, they even go over there nice. Yeah, I got my all my magazines that I've been in and Stuff like that too. So So tell me um, so just for the people out there, um, especially like beginning stylists and stuff Um, as you've been working through this, what's been like the biggest thing that's helped you out? Um, just to you know, put yourself in the position to get those awards and all that um Not being closed-minded and reaching out to people like you and Others in the industry that are willing to help you because if you really want help There's people that will help you You know, there's But you got it you have to want it because we all start to recognize who's really real and who's Kind of just like sitting in the in the corner So, I mean, you know, this industry is pretty beautiful and the people are there They're willing to help you if you if you really want it Yeah, and what do you mean by like uh, people kind of sitting in the corner? What do you what do you say? Um, the people that you know, they uh, they might say that they want to do this but they're not really willing to Put the work or the effort in or the ones that just kind of like no I just want to be in the industry and just be in my own little cozy corner and I don't want to worry about awards and I don't want to worry about putting my work out there I just want to do me and do this, you know, okay so, um, I think for me like, uh, I've never really Been somebody that kind of applied or went out to get the awards and stuff I like I like being, uh, you know Somebody that is trying to be influential in the industry, but um, like the competition part of it. I've never really been involved in um, so for me, I'm interested just, um What is like your favorite part about that? Like what do you like about being in those contests? What has it done for you? Um behind the chair like, uh, is it bringing you more revenue that way or what do you get out of it? Um Honestly, I just originally did it just to put myself out there just to, uh You know not be afraid to show my work off Not so much that I was really trying to to win I think I was just out there trying to put my work out there And then when I got nominated then it all changed, you know, obviously it changed, you know, then I was like, oh, I got a shot now um, but I think now Even like last year with the multiple nominations that I had from behind the chair and with causal prof I think that I think I was more content on just wanting to just keep putting my work out there for businesses and just to You know, see what see where it takes me Yeah, uh, I know I like even this year. I'm going to submit a lot of work, but I don't I don't know if I really want it I mean, I would love to win. I just don't know if that's like my my goal anymore. I think it's just I think my validation is good now Which I don't know why I always doubted myself before Um, but that was a lot of growth in the last two years too, you know For sure. I think that that's like so the one thing I one of my favorite moments is you I wish I had a video clip of it But when you won your first award you could definitely tell that you did not think it was gonna happen but It did and it was just cool. I did you did a backflip or something, right? Didn't you like a break dance? I did a break dance on the stage. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So then last year I did the I did the uh I can't remember what they call the dance now I don't know. I did one of them new dances at the kids deal on fortnight. Yeah, exactly Uh, so all right, so I want to get into some questions because let's uh, you know Let's see what we can bring to the people. Uh, this is actually Joel's been following uh, freeslown education for for quite a while now Always posting questions. I actually have two questions from him. Uh, he says your podcasts are always awesome energetic Blah blah blah. There we go. Uh, my question is when Uh, when were you like, okay, I know my stuff Um, I have the all The overall confidence that now I can be more independent and teach other people One three years five years Um, please elaborate. So basically I guess what he's saying is when did you feel the confidence? Um to teach people? Um Behind the chair like when did you feel like you could do that? Um, you do some education now I've seen I've seen your face on some fires. Right. So, um, how was that for you? I'll answer on my end as well. But how was that for you? When did you feel like that's something you had something to give? I think Last year after the awards show in, um In uh, maryland at btc. I Like had this thing like I I wasn't really there to win. I was there to network and even in orlando It caused me prop beauty. I was I really my my goal was to go down there and network and I pretty much did that I that's all I did like I went to You know, I really I partied a little bit But I went to every after party to really network with all the people like big name people in the industry or People that everybody knows in the industry um And that was my goal So after leaving orlando, I had a lot of confidence going into just about everything because I um I don't know. I just I had a whole different mindset And you know going into last year this this year. I'm sorry I just you know somebody My friend amy reached out to me and she wanted me to become part of This little movement that we got going and we started it at the end of last year and we got some dates going into this year and No, I just I don't know it's it's it's kind of clicked like I always knew that I could teach Yeah, because I'm a coach. I'm also a father of two two awesome boys But I coach also so teaching kind of comes easy. It's kind of hand-in-hand Yeah So I think I've always been there That's a good conversation as well because when you when you look at um You know the similarities between like Coaching or you know just having children or like all that stuff like I feel like they go hand-in-hand in a way and um, you know as my son's getting older now he's 11, but like just you know going into like Revisiting athletics because I played football um in high school. I played hockey when I was younger and just like You know having good coaches in your life or people that you know inspire you or whatever and then as That transfers into to teaching and education and all of that and one of the things that I find really funny and kind of on my side of of this answer is I I always felt like I wanted to share something so like even when I was six months into beauty school I had the opportunity like like you Um, I put myself out there Right from the get-go. Um three months into school. I joined a competition. It was the only competition. I've ever done um And it was at the chicago hair show I I lived near iowa and uh, so I went to the chicago hair show it was one of the first times I was ever in chicago and um, I joined this student competition and I did the most ridiculous hairstyle ever But at that time I was so pumped on it and then I got to experience my first hair show And when I was in there, I saw robert chromings for the first time and I I literally did not leave the stage the whole day and I just watched it and and that's where I decided, you know, this is what I wanted to do. Like I love doing hair, but I loved The the connection that he was building with people. Um, so I figured out as soon as I got home How how could I do that? Like how can I get that job? And you know from that minute I was just driven to do it and so six months into school I went out to my first hair show to assist Volunteer my time And the guy that was doing the show actually invited me sam burns. He invited me on stage to cut hair and Did I have anything to share? I don't know. It was probably awful. Like whatever I was doing up there was probably so bad But at the same time I was so passionate about it and I think sometimes passion This is what drives me nuts about this industry and kind of where I want to go with this conversation is There's people that educate to to actually share Something and for me education is sharing. So if I share something with you I'm giving it to you for then you to do whatever you want with it, right? There's a thing in education now that And it's been like this for a while, but there's also ego Educators that teach To be seen and not to actually share because what happens is when you actually use what they teach you Um, then you start, uh, the negative things start coming. So, um, you know, and there's hashtags going around about like craft hair dressing and and I'm not wrapping you into any of this stuff but this is my own thoughts but like, you know craft hairdresser and Don't make untalented Haircutters famous like all this stuff and and for me, it's just kind of a young mindset Um and being in the industry for a long time. Like maybe I would have had those same kind of thoughts back back in the day um, but When you're an educator when you're truly an educator, you don't care like if somebody Sam Villa said it best to me. He was in my studio. He's cutting hair and you know, we're having this conversation He's like matt anything that you ever see for me. Please use it and share it and keep it going And that's like that's to me. What's crazy? Um You know, so to kind of that's a way off the topic on that answer But when you sum it all together like If you have if you have passion Then you have something to share whether it's right or wrong. It's your thoughts at that moment You should share it and then moving forward. You'll just get better the things I was teaching 12 years ago I might think are ridiculous now, but 12 years ago I thought they were you know, they made so much sense to me and I've grown as a An educator since then right right Is both an educator and an artist right And uh, let's see. I think you're an artist I think I'm an educator. I think I'm an educator. So I actually let me pull up. This is like so people can actually see I'm gonna pull up your instagram real quick I want to show I don't have any slides here, but like some of the work A little focus in oh, yeah So like some of the work is getting better. Yeah, dude. You're talking. Yeah. So when we When we met you didn't even have a ring light yet, but yeah, look at this now, man So it's just you know, it's just really cool. Uh, and if you go to jcash underscored the hair tech's instagram you'll see um more of his work, but I think you're an artist like for me. I'm a teacher of practical things um Yes, and I'm a very good one at that Well, thanks. Thanks, but I in that for me I like to figure out the easiest way to explain things, you know, I I get a kick out of trying to simplify Haircutting or whatever it is because our jobs aren't that complicated um And once you figure out the fundamentals then you can be artistic. I feel like so, um, but you're definitely I would say on that artistic end and the fact that you're taking education and you're Um starting to make that part of what you do. I think is awesome Because if somebody really artistic can also teach I just think it's like a win-win Um, all right. So next question here This is actually cool. There's tons of questions within this, but um, what is your view on the direction of the hair industry? um Currently, let's say should hairdressers and barbers be qualified slash licensed Should the industry be regulated by the government? So this is a big question, but what are your thoughts on that? um I do believe that everybody should be licensed. Um But I also believe And this is has more to do with I shouldn't say more to do with barber schools because there are cognitive schools that are kind of in the same boat um, they they just they're not teaching What I believe needs to be taught You know, they're just shown the basics enough to pass the test this that and the other and they really need to like Be taught like there needs to be some regulation Amongst what's being taught I think and I think that's what'll like really improve everything and I know that a couple of You know bigger named barbers like tyreek jackson and and you know, he's very much an advocate or towards to that and he's like one of them guys that At his schools, you're gonna learn how to cut hair You're really gonna learn how to cut hair. You're really gonna learn how to use shears. You're really gonna learn how to You know take sanitation to the max whatever whatever whatever But it just it just seems like a lot of schools nowadays. They're just you know, they're in it to make money and they Just want you to do enough to pass your state boards and that's it And what what is like, uh, where's his school at? Uh, his it's in philadelphia somewhere. Oh it is Yeah, I believe Um, so you should have him on your definitely you should have him on Yeah, for sure. That'd be cool. That's one smart guy. Okay. Um, so I I totally agree with you. I think there should be I I just think there should be regulation in how How things are taught because there's definitely like you're saying there's no like There's no People get out of school. They have no idea what they're doing, you know, not everybody but like a lot of Stylists and but then there's stylists that are doing here for 15 years They don't know what they're doing either because there's no regulation in You know bettering yourself, but that's okay like for me. I'm like Okay, that's fine If you want to be 15 years into the industry and not get any better Then you did the day you walked out of beauty school That's a benefit to me Right as a hairdresser does it make the industry? um Not it like not as uh That's the word I'm looking for like Is it hurting the industry? I think every industry has people that aren't talented at what they do and then people that are like if you look at business owners You have business owners that are super talented at what they do and you have terrible business owners and they They their business closes within, you know a year six months. Whatever like hairdressers. It's the same thing I think we just take it too personal that Because I think it goes Yeah, I think it goes the same like with with clients also Yeah, you have a client that just wants a haircut Yeah, and then you have a client that wants a haircut Right. Yeah You know, there's there's a big difference. There's a lot of guys that they just they don't care what it really looks like They don't care Whatever and it's up like that's one thing. I think it's up to me to teach them You know, you need to care about yourself. You need to care about the way you look You need to care about how your hair is cut Yeah, and then it goes into well, why don't they care, you know, they probably don't care because no one's ever taught them You know things that make them like Like I never put lotion This is ridiculous, but I never put lotion on my face ever in my life. I was like dub soap All the way no lotion don't care and then Christina my wife is like, you know, you're getting older And maybe you should try it and and then I'm like trying and now I'm like I can't not And now I'm like I like I'm shopping for like face lotion and like face scrubs and like all this stuff that I never In a million years would have thought that that would be something I would want to do but like I was never taught it wasn't something that was brought to my attention and now I'm like, oh, this is so much better Like you got to think about like these guys sit in your chair. They have no idea most of them Have no idea beyond the haircut that they've always gotten forever And it's our job to really just expand that and then that creates excitement and then all of a sudden You have a client that can't wait to come back. It's Like this is the thing that blows my mind every time Um, we get into like these discussions and it's like, how do I build my book faster? Um, what do I do about cancellations? What about my commission percentage? It's like all of these the same questions every time But the answer is take care of your guest behind the chair Only care about them first and foremost Yeah, only care about them And they will they can't then they can't wait to see you They can't wait to rebook. They don't want to cancel like all of this stuff stems from You taking care of your client. You don't take care of your client. They don't care to come back Like they'll come back whenever it's, you know Gets extreme and they need a haircut. You want them you want to build that relationship? You want them to come into you into your chair, right? Yep All right, let's see what that's part of that's I'll go ahead. No, go ahead I just can say that's part of what's you know, having your client talking to your client and making sure that they Understand why it's important to come in every Two to three weeks to get a haircut rather than once every six months, you know, right? And it's up to you as the stylist behind the chair is to talk to them about that Yeah This guy actually gets right into it. He says our stylist caring more about their social media platform than their actual client Are we losing the connection between stylist and client because of social media? These are topics that I worry for our industry And would love to hear your thoughts so He's saying the same thing like this is the discussion, you know that That we're having but I think it's a discussion that we're having in life in general is is social media more important than like The actual connection and I think Getting people involved and actually I don't know if you saw um, and I'll talk about this but brian In our salon. He started this. Uh, why are you in my chair hashtag thing? Which he's basically taking pictures with his clients now And then writing a story about why they're in his chair and You know, that's brian's probably one of the best people I've Ever met at the client relationship, right? um, I don't think it would matter if brian Screwed somebody's hair up the person would be so excited to come back like he's he's one of those kind of people, right? so, um I don't think I think we can use social media in my mind to Uh, actually build the client relationship stronger Instead of thinking of it as a negative thing. What do you think? Oh, I I think I think social media is definitely a great tool Uh for learning to use for learning and education and everything else But I also think that what happens is a lot of people look at social media and they go Oh my god, that works perfect. Oh my god, that works perfect. Oh my god, that works perfect Well, if they seem, you know, I I don't post all my haircuts I post what I want to post I post what I choose to post Um, and just one thing that I found out, you know, kind of recently, which is really weird You know, I I you know, I work with a couple of, um people on my uh The blotting and beyond artistic team that I'm on That it's our education team and they're both Known for color and you know, one's Jessica powers the other one's fab hair by josh They're both known for their colors. They're both known for their vivids. Josh has won awards for it You know, he won a btc award for it but when you talk to them 90 percent of their I don't want to say 90 percent because I don't I'm not sure but a big percentage of their work is retouch Blonding and balayage. They don't post it right Because that's just not what they do. They post their vivid work, you know, just post some of her Um, um balayage and stuff, but you know, josh pretty much posts just all his vivid work Because that's what gets the attention Right You know, and I and I think that there's a misconception that you know And some people even say we'll say it's ego or whatever But I just think that it's us just putting our work out there because I'm not afraid to put my work out there I don't care about how bad it is or what it is Or what style it is, you know people say Oh, are you a barber or are you a hair cutter or are you a this or are you a that and I'm like, I don't care I'll do it everything Right. Yeah. Yeah, and that's great and like That's one thing I would say about your um, like when you look at your instagram and stuff is it's very real Um, you get the vibe that you're in the salon like all that stuff like you have some really Uh Photos that you can tell you've taken a lot of time and getting that perfect And then you have some of your work that just looks like you shot it real quick in the salon and and put it Out there or you'll have a little video or whatever like I think that People get too worked up people want to see real nowadays like I feel like Sometimes it gets a little too produced Um, but I totally get that as well. I think um Being that's the great thing about instagram stories and all that stuff is you can really be more real Uh, and then have kind of your portfolio sitting on instagram Um, but yeah, I think I don't think it's necessarily like messing up the industry. I are Creating a disconnection. I think what happens is when people have a client behind the chair and they decide I'm going to go onto social media and ignore my client. That's when There becomes an issue, but I don't think it's so much like You know taking photos and posting them on on social media of your clients. That's not messing things up so we just have to be careful and understand that That relationship between that person if your income Is solely based on you behind the chair working Then the number one thing should be that client from the minute they get there to the minute they leave And when they see you maybe not with them you should be doing something else that is Busy right so either with another client. Um, and they see that you're just working hard or Catering to them and sitting with them for a half an hour having a conversation or Read them and maybe they want to be on their laptop or their phone and they don't want to be You know messed with but you have to it's it's a person by person It's an individual thing and we have to get back to focusing on that relationship Let's agree. This is a good one for you. Um, let's see This is Joel again, but he says he he asked this this morning. He said 35 days till he finishes cosmetology school um What are some key things we can do to find new clients when starting at a new salon or Hit a plateau So so if you're starting a new song or you hit a plateau, what do you do? He's got friends and family walk-ins all that stuff. So Uh, what do you do? What have you been doing? Uh to build your clientele? I know that you pushed some clients back and now you're going to be slammed for the rest of the day To be on here appreciate that What have you done to grow your your clientele? What do you think has been like a couple of the the top things that have helped you? Um, still I'm gonna you know, that's the other thing with social media and whatnot You we've tend to got a little bit lazy Um, I think that the the biggest thing you still have to put yourself out there number one You have to put your face out there. You have to talk to the people you have to You know, you have to have business cards, you know, I can't stress business cards enough Especially if you're a younger barber or you're a younger cosmetology student How's somebody going to know where you are or who you are if all you're doing is telling them and then walking away you know leave them With an impression and leave them with a nice business card so they can look at it If you know if it's connected to your social media or whatever and your information's on there They can look at your work and whatnot But you you have to just go out there and meet the people, you know another another big thing if you Sorry real quick on your business card. Um Because if anybody's taking my classes, I'm not like I like business cards But I also know when I get a business card. I lose a business card. So I think it's also a cool thing if you um Just use social media when you meet somebody and as your professional page If you just ask them who they are on instagram and then you go give them a follow And whether they follow you back or not at that moment, um, you know You just get to know that person for a second You start following them on social media and now you can like their stuff and you can keep that relationship going The problem with the business card is that transaction from back in the day I gave you a business card and then you either forget who I am or You know, we never interact again unless you decide to make the phone call Nowadays, you know, if I follow you from my professional page And now I'm liking things that come through my feed and we're building that relationship the day that that person Guy or girl decides I need a haircut and I can't get in with my stylist or My stylist isn't doing hair anymore or whatever happens Um The day that that happens they now can go right to you because they know who you are you've built that relationship So it's utilizing social media for what it is what it does best is creating those connections with people you don't really Know or wouldn't have known All right, what's number two? I I I kind of use a combination of that though like I'll uh, I think that when you're first starting out if you don't have Like an instagram that's loaded with pictures and whatnot But if you like I kind of used what you just said Also giving them a business card because you're trying to sell yourself You know, you're trying to sell your work. You're trying to sell that. Hey, you know And my my thing is, you know, a lot of people go. Oh, well They want to find the person that And going back to something we talked about earlier. They want to they they walk up to the person that looks like he needs a haircut Right. Well, sometimes that person looks like he needs a haircut for a reason Yeah, because he doesn't really care about getting his haircut I always go up to the clean cut guys the guy that looks like he's really takes care of himself The guy that or a girl and talk to them because even though They might already be going to somebody Those are the type of people that you want behind your chair. For sure. That's a good call. Um Yeah, that's a good one. I like that so Let me throw the question back um So, yeah, I think I think those are honestly I The biggest things just getting yourself out there. Um, don't be afraid We're in a business of talking to people. So This is the thing like I feel like You should have like this interview before you go to hair school that like If you can't talk to somebody like if you can't go up and have a conversation Then they should just cut you off because It is an industry where you have to be you have to be personable So if you're not that great at it, um, just come up with a few things that you're definitely confident about talking about Like for me, I'm not that confident in a room of people that I don't know And I don't know what we're talking about right that that kind of makes me uncomfortable But the one thing I am confident about talking about is hair because I've studied it. I know it so think about Making that the conversation and it's an easy way to kind of turn this situation around Is if you know what you're talking about The people that struggle are when you try to fake everything That whole fake it till you make it. I don't think you should fake it till you make it I think you should focus on the things that you know And use that and then just keep learning and growing from there But yeah, you definitely have to put yourself out there. You have to get to know people If you don't want to do it, you know the traditional way it's not like we're going into businesses and soliciting anymore But join it. Try a new gym or try, you know, go to a different restaurant or like those kind of things like try different things And then you meet different people All right last last one here What shears do you use? Oh, this is the biggest here we go and It doesn't matter Here's the thing I was thinking about getting mizutani puffins hoping They are better than my last So Shark fin I've never used so I don't have it an opinion. They actually gave me a pair of shark fin This is terrible, but I I don't even know. I think I gave them to brian But they gave them to me. They were swivel and I don't use swivel scissors. So I never tried them but um So let's just talk about scissors. You know, I sell I I sell mizutani But I don't need to just talk about mizutani. You don't need to talk about mizutani. Let's be open here Um, what do you like to use? I've used multiple brands. What is your thing right now? um Oh, I use hanzo's right now and okay, but my my thing with scissors is Man now don't get me wrong. You need to have a good scissor regardless Right and you can and it doesn't even really need to be a good scissor as long as it's sharp and it Cuts hair You know, I honestly you can give me a pair of kitchen scissors and I can make your hair look just as good as I can You know with with with the shears that I'd use now. It might not be as efficient right, but You know as long as you know what you're doing Um, I believe that you can use just about anything Yeah, for sure and to elaborate on that, you know, a kitchen scissor is just going to Be a different type of cutting So, you know, it's going to push the hair a lot more. I'm not going to grab the hair and cut a line So you're going to as you're cutting you're just going to have to do multiple passes like more passes as you go through it That was a video. I wanted to make a long time ago and never made it but um, you know just showing the difference in scissor over comb with kitchen scissors or like, you know Fabric scissors and a regular one probably should still make it just to show it but the point of it is like You don't need to spend $900 on a scissor, but if you spend $250 on a scissor most likely Um, the blade will be just as sharp. It will feel just as sharp pretty much day one Um, it's just the longevity, you know what you're trying to get out of it So I think the sweet spot for me And that's why you know the collections that I work on with Mizutani and the one that I'm coming out with now Is I want the scissor to live in in that $500 Between four and $500 range because I feel like that's the sweet spot like this scissor that I that I have here um, that This is I don't even I don't know how much this one is but it's the uh, the dam a metal or a dam or whatever um that Mizutani sent this for Christmas to me but But this is probably like 1500 bucks. It cuts awesome. I don't know how long it will cut awesome But after that $500 mark, I feel like you pay for the it's like buying a car, right? You can get a really nice car for $30,000 and anything above $30,000 doesn't make that car It's just features right and like faster or uh has The bigger sunroof or the navigation like it's all features. It doesn't get you from point a to point b, you know right And you know, I think that the other thing is like a I mean she wants to use a puffin But I believe a puffin is for dry cutting and slide cutting. Yeah Yeah, and which is fine if that's what you do a lot of dry cutting, you know, but Is I think that that's the other thing when people buy scissors also that they have to Determine what what are you using it for? What do you need it for? What is your What is your bulk of work? How are you going to use utilize that shear because why You know, you also don't want to just buy a wet cutting shear if you're just going to do a lot of dry cutting Because you're just going to dull that blade You know, so it's there's a lot of you know You got to have a little bit of knowledge And that's something that I've learned through you and through a lot of other people You know on on what shears to use for what tasks and purposes Yeah, and so tell me just so we can give the people something What are your two like go-to scissors that you're using? Right now I have My I can't remember what my long one is But they're six and a half inches I can't remember the name of it and then I have a My texturizing shear that I just it's a vt2 Okay, and it's that quite a bit probably Yeah, I use it quite a bit because it it's a dry cutter But it's also, you know dry cutting you can use on wet hair also It's a dry cutting texturizing scissor Yeah, okay Yeah, and what why do you like this six and a half inch? Um For what I do in the shop, you know a lot of men's cuts It's the precision doesn't necessarily need to be there Sometimes it's more efficient to be able to take more hair out Like at one time Then you know when I'm just point cutting on a on a detailed haircut or something Um, oh, I just got used to really cutting with this bigger scissor and I kind of like it Yeah I was using a five and five inch scissor And you know just the inch and a half it got it took me a little bit to get used to but I've really grown to enjoy it. Yeah, I um I pretty much always use a five inch scissor but That's so the big differences and what you were kind of saying is You know precision work you're going to use a shorter scissor because The shorter the blade and I've talked about this a lot, but the shorter the blade um the more uh The easier it is to create a line so it's stronger, right? So if you think about like when you pull out a tape measure and you go longer and longer all of a sudden It gets weak and it falls like I think about a scissor the same way the longer that blade is towards the end of it It's just a little bit weaker as it closes That point is further away. So when you go to cut hair, you're gonna Push it a little bit more towards the tip depending on how thick this section is all that stuff the density of the hair The texture of the hair whatever but for the most part it gets weaker as it closes so Precision cutters usually use a shorter scissor barbers tend to use a longer scissor because you're doing scissor over comb You're you're holding up the hair in a fine way Using the comb not a lot of tension. You're just kind of dusting through to scissor over comb work And then when you cut on top of the head, it doesn't really matter like you can just chop through it or whatever So, uh, that's why a lot of barbers tend to use so there's you guys in school or whatever I wish people would have told me this stuff in school like Uh, we didn't have youtube to where people were breaking down scissors The guy would just show up with a scissor purse and you would buy them for like 50 bucks. Oh those are cool Yeah, maybe all different colors You're like man these things suck Yeah, exactly. So that's the beauty of social media nowadays. At least you can uh, you know get learn that stuff. So All right, cool. Let me see. Is there anything else you uh You have going on you want to talk about? Um, um, I just wanted like to talk about my uh Artistic team real quick if you don't mind Yeah, for sure. Just uh, you know, we've been together now. This will be our third show coming up in march. We're going to be in, uh uh, freemont california Sorry, not freemont fountain valley california at mikey teases hair salon um We are the uh our I guess uh motto is all hands on deck it's experience like uh Kind of like what we're talking about. So you you're not finding this at hair shows and whatnot. Um We we don't just work on a stage or like a way from you. We want you in our bubble We we give you the opportunity to be up front and close inside We have mannequin heads set up at the stations. Um at every station And uh, so you can kind of get your hands on while you're learning the technique that we are teaching Um, and like I said, uh, this one there's seven of us. There's jessica powers Laura christopher, uh, amyland hair artist fab hair by josh me pigment and if you don't know who pigment is, uh, she's pretty awesome And mikey tees will be at this one um, and it's it's it's uh, it's pretty cool. It's like I said, it's um It's uh, it's an it's more of a movement So that we can give an experience to somebody that that you're not just getting at these hair shows anymore because you know When you're when somebody's up on a stage, it's hard to learn because they're they've already done like half the cut or whatever Right, and you can't see a lot of it I mean even with the cameras that they got now and the big screen tv's You just don't feel like you're part of it. We make you actually feel like you're part of the show And part of what's going on. So I just want to talk about that real quick. How many, uh attendees are going to be there? I was trying to find the Like what are you? I'm not sure how Uh 30 of anywhere between 30 to 50 Think at the last one we had like 30 35 or something the one before that we had probably about the same Okay, this will be our third one and they keep getting better and it's you know, it's it's good education um And the cool thing is you don't just have to like watch one person. We're all in the same room We're all like like this the last place we set up We were all kind of looking at each other and the vibe was really strong because you you felt the connection You were really feeling the connections with the people and the people that we're wanting to learn. So it was pretty cool Very cool. I think I uh, I think I found it here There we go, so So there's the flyer. So those are all the artists. Um, those you guys watching the podcast if you're listening to the podcast Go check out at jcash underscore the hair tech on instagram and right now we have a $150 early bird special for like a month and then the price will go up. So You also have a freesline education podcast network add-on In the picture. Yes. Appreciate that awesome Appreciate the representing All right, very cool. So uh thank you so much for for being on the show and and dealing with the uh The technical difficulties and everything right um Thank you, man. I you know, I always appreciate I always appreciate Talking to you and I'll do anything to help you and Whatever you need, you know me. I'm always down for it and I need to get my butt back out to new hope and Yeah, we'll do this in person If you check out our youtube and you type in uh jcash on our youtube channel, you'll see the video we created together um And that was pre you being educator all over the world, right? Yeah So it's very cool And uh, yeah, I come from guys like you matt because i'm not gonna lie. You're a big inspiration Behind what I do and my work and uh, you know, I've I've said it a thousand times and you hate it when I do it But thank you very much Because you were a huge inspiration to me, dude It's good. This industry is good. It always builds builds these kind of friendships And I appreciate you know being able to reach out to you and just have you on the podcast this quick Uh, and we'll definitely whenever you want to come here. Let me know and you know, obviously You're always welcome and I can't wait to film with you again. Um, all right, man. So I'll talk to you soon All right. Thanks guys. Have a good one All right, man buddy, bye All right, so let me see All right guys, so I hope you enjoyed Uh, the podcast with johnny Um had a lot of fun hanging out with you. I could see your chats. Um, I did see all of your stuff It looks like you guys enjoyed the show um Any chance to come into texas? Maybe johnny'll answer that later. Um, but check out his social media and you'll see if he's coming Am I coming to texas not at this moment? Um, taking the break this spring from hair shows Um, I want to stay here create things do this podcast put out videos get back to that routine Uh, and we're also doing a lot of work with hair companies. So There'll be a lot of that you'll see uh as well Um, go to stylist locator.com if you guys want to see the website that we're creating. Um, it's It's awesome. And uh, it's it's going to be launching in about Hopefully hopefully within the next week. Um, we've been working really hard at it But you can sign up for the email list so that when it does launch you can get it But it's going to be a website where uh Customers can create profiles learn hair tricks on their for their own hair But also find you guys as stylists you guys can learn on there create a profile Communicate with customers. It's going to be a really awesome Uh website, so i'm excited to launch that in the next week Uh, thank you again to everybody that has stayed with us live. Um, and That's it. I'll see you guys on the next show also again Go check out my friends at my nerve of beauty dot com This is our salon If you guys are listening to this podcast trust me There's some beautiful furniture in our salon the mirrors the chairs the color cards Uh, the processors like everything is from the nerve of beauty dot com. And this is their brand new Portable trays that we just put in the salon this week. So uh, thank you guys so much. Check out minervabeauty.com backslash FSE uh for a discount and i'll see you guys on the next Let me see See you guys on the next one Next week, let me know actually let me know in the comments Who do you want to see on this show? Who do you want to see me talk to? Um, and i'll invite them in and hopefully we can get them on the show. So let me know in the comments as well See you guys