 Second story, as you know, at the beginning of this year, I was in Boston at the MSF conference and even in talk, talking about certification, talking about ecosystem, to get certified for some strata and kind of migration specialist, and it was a quite reasonable answer to this talk. We have remade a workshop where some attendees in the workshop were very interesting to do business around LibreOffice, but there was no migration project, no interest from the most proper fair side, there was no need to have an ecosystem around LibreOffice to bring in instance. So there's exactly a chicken hangover, or chicken hangover. How do you say chicken or hangover or chicken hangover? It's the right thing. Oh, you don't even know it, so it's okay. So what can we do? This workshop will give you the idea of what can we do to become this bank, to have a growth in many points of the map in the world, to have professional programs in the world with an even right ecosystem, a local ecosystem, who can support these migrations. So what I now want to do is I thought something about these catalysts, let's go. And I want a little bit summarize what I think were some catalysts in the German market. I think the idea behind this, and later we will ask three other people from around the world they think what were the catalysts for that. But to get an idea of these cast submissions of that, what we can do as the certification part of TGF, but also with all members of the TGF to bring up these. So Germany, or me, as these are my experiences, I will contact in the early 2000s with some. And my company was perhaps the first official partner of some micro systems in these days where we do some work on start-ups, afterwards open-office. We have done some sort of tool development for migrating automatically from Microsoft to start-office and a little bit later to open-office and so on. So we were relatively in the open-office history relatively early in these processes involved. Afterwards we have done these work that in Germany the companies Star Division, which were kind of a start-up first, were relatively known. Some were coming in by some of them. There was, I think there was, relatively, a catalyst that some was doing something like market development. We can discuss if it was good market development or something like this. We made a decision to open-source start-office and they did something like a partner management. Somebody from us knows. But they were doing such things. The white partners every half year to come to Hamburg where the start-up vision was located was information and care about these partners. So I think something like an anchor company, and I know it's heavy to discuss, but I think in these days the anchor companies were one of the catalysts for growing up this German ecosystem and getting such preparation projects. There must have been persons, not only the companies, but also the communities. So we have, the early days, we have footage. It was an association, it was an association from German community. We have done a lot of work to do that. We have done the first conferences in Germany for free-office systems. There was a lot of work and there were some anchor persons in the community, in the local community. Somebody knows Thomas Kornbauer, one of them. Jörg-Hemingpool, Florian was one of them. And certainly I forget someone. Yes, there were some others. I hope I don't forget some others. So the issue is one. The second catalyst is persons, anchor persons. In person, Gabriele is over about such things. We are in people business. So, beside that, there were in Germany, especially one, but afterwards a few others, life thought projects. Everybody spoke about the city of Munich. You know the history, which is going as time goes by. But in this time growing up the ecosystem, the awareness about professional retro-office deployments depends on these life thought projects, and mainly in the public affairs. So much can be in the economy, but more in the public affairs. I think this is my question. We can discuss this. There was another issue. This is something more like a technical issue, or a mute, that there was a need for changing. A need for change. This time we have this depression in the ecosystem. We got more and more cost-sensitivity, awareness of the weather, for Microsoft especially. And there was a very, very important issue. It was the development of the open document format. The document format is a technical driver in this ecosystem, which can't underestimate it. So this was the situation, which will be in Germany, and there were a lot of eggs, a lot of migration projects, and a lot of companies who were doing that. Support, terms and so on. But nowadays we have to look, we have lost a lot of them. Not just companies who are waiting, doing other things. Also projects, which are gone, which are migrating back to Microsoft and so on. So what I would like to discuss here was how is there the role of the open document format ecosystem? Or are we perhaps the heads of the history? So could we expect such developments in other areas of the world where the ecosystem is helping us? This is not the question, I think we should discuss now, which we should have. And the evolution never stops. The product is going ahead, and we have in the world something like people office online. This is changing things a little bit. We don't talk about any more, about any more, let's talk, and so our product is not in combination with Linux, and this brings up some questions. So what I want to do now is to have some other views, and to bring in other points of the map and ask them to tell us what they think, where we're trying to bring up this migration project, to bring out the growth and the humidity on the ecosystem and so on. I've given them three questions, so I think three to five minutes for each of you. That's your point. Should we begin with, for instance, tell us something about Italian? What was that similar? In other words? The problem is it's a local national law. The national law in this law is clear that the particular expression is not meant to evaluate if there are some strategies to the international law. So this one is the first way to at least to have a first evaluation. Then on the community side, in Italy, not in the ocean, not only in the office, but in general, in the international community. That one. So, for an open format, sometimes when I talk to the special staff to discuss, to search, or mainly from the same cost, because this one is the first resource, they try to understand if the government is available to manage the government in the same way, like office. So starting from the format is the first way to load the document. Because if the government is providing that in an open format, the format in theory is a little bit simple. But this is not enough, because it is also important to organize trainings, because without trainings you can also use the FF format, but if you are formatting wrong, the problem is still there. So you need to discuss some of the styles, for example, or you need to show which are the issues with the document that is formatted in an infancy way. We saw the document that was really critical. So this one is another problem that we forget. As an ecosystem it is important to interact with the local community. So the local community is the bridge between the foundation and the activities that are done in a specific country. So without any interaction there is no the company that is trying to provide services doesn't know everything that is needed for a collaboration. For example, there are companies that are providing services following the thought about that, it's not in the years one. In the years one, maybe it's the best platform but it's tested. And we already got to show the the main need for this. So this one, the last one more is the Italian platform. For your life. Yes. Thanks Marina. Some words from the weather in the beginning. Okay so, the case of Beijing is a little bit different. The country used to be isolated until the 90s for technology in general but also eventually to open source software or open source philosophy to reach out to us quite later than European western countries or other countries in general. So we started having the communities who belong to open source software after 2012 where Open Labs was established as an organization which was also the first organization in our country to do this kind of events. And after that year we started making a lot of local communities such as Wikipedia, Nexla, Mozilla and most importantly, also in graphics. In terms of we don't have a lot of case studies to share where big organizations or big institutions went through this process or through big migration. And the only one that we can mention currently is the one that which is taking place at the municipality of Tirana. Also another thing that I can add is the fact that we need to offer consultancy or any other language service related to migrations to liberal office. And also certified professionals yet. So this makes things a bit more challenging for us and we need to raise to our countries but we need to also take into consideration the cultural differences in each country because for example, Germany can't really be a case study for us because the countries are quite different in many aspects. So currently we have a migration which is taking place at the municipality and an important driving force that I can mention which impacted their decision to migrate was the impact of the local community the fact that you have people here who are strongly promoting using open standards and using open office as a replacement to Microsoft office the fact that these people are organizing this kind of events or which are to the people who are standing behind behind the ground gives some sort of certainty in order to proceed and take the big decision to migrate which in the case of an institution is a very important decision because you are taking a lot of responsibility in your shoulders. So basically this is like a general overview and the actual situation in Albania I hope that in the future when we have more people or hopefully more companies who operate maybe there will be even more cases with organizations and not only institutions who go ahead and start to see the progress. Thank you Thank you So we have 20 minutes to tell us the aging of the track record I say the shikane very different in Taiwan most of the one of the main programs is that people can get the private software in a very good part not in a very good part and not in a very good part but for this year in Taiwan this condition is much better so interestingly that gave us a chance so in Taiwan now actually almost all of the free software related activities including business activities they were mostly a junior faculty the catalyst would be government in nearly 20 years before our government goes once by that time because the business part didn't catch it and they made a big mistake because those companies at that time they first they just won't get paid for it but don't wash it deep against it that's the problem still is this in Taiwan now and the second is of course at that time the whole environment moving at that time probably is not the truth the case is not the truth now but now in recent years we had a very good chance because now we have a very good server now and I just say that for the low price provided for the problem it's much better in Taiwan now so many companies many government now suffer from legacy and finally right now is the government launched the position it's an instrument it provides both radio and sticks and what community do is some of that theory we have done to fix the directions and then this time I will raise example that our government invests in local companies local developers to diversify their offices and they are feedback to the machine now so I think I have become optimistic in the condition of Taiwan because we are now having a small but looks like good ecosystem of course it will have changes that's the now we have a big migration project in whole Taiwan just those small units call me and I will give them especially for community community that's true about community but then now those other business those other companies that will join in I will insist that yes of course we can join in but remember not just again but so I think that's the condition so what happened thank you I give one minute of your time thank you so we have now heard from all different local persons around the world and what we should learn about this and this is the overwhelming solution of creating flank points on the map growing up is it's all about community it's growing the community it's all about having persons there it's all about bringing from the present community bringing up these all these categories to other points travelling the government travelling to them to the workshop but the target should be to have locals growing up because they understand the culture of the government of the people and so on and if you have any persons there like you, thank you and we can overcome these chicken and egg dilemma for the ecosystem and the professional this was my thoughts behind this talk and remember that this was the third talk for growing up all around the pro-office I repeat my colleagues with thoughts about product marketing government about growing up taking ever membership members from the world and now I'm with the chicken and egg government and ecosystem and all have the same answer and we have to do it we have to go there we have to overcome these language issues and so on cultural issues and bring it up and grow locals