 We have no listeners, no one knows who's coming. There we go, it's all ducked down. It's quite the same. Hello. There we are. Right, that was stressful. I haven't got a drink. That was stressful. Look how long it took us to get this sorted. Nearly barfing. I'm not saying we've been having some technical issues. We're not even sure if you can hear us. But there is no one there, so it's just for posterity later. One. Who is it? Reveal yourself. YouTube Bot 7674 has entered the conference. Good morning. Alice the Hodge. Alice the Hodge. Is there any reason for me being here? Two people. Two people. One. Can you hear us, though? What we need to know is you can actually hear us. Because the sound level here is high. So if you can hear us, give us some signal. You can get a sign. They may not be trying for you. Oh, well, just look up on this map. This is Pete. I know if you have not seen that. OK, well, are you going to introduce us? Hello. It's very loud. It's very... That's what's true. In fact, like me, I like to pump him. A massive sweet note. Thank you. I'd rather pass than it myself. Sorry, mate. We're in Tobengard. We're in the port house. Yay! Hi, Mark. Oh, harsh. Have fun. See you later. Goodbye. Well, we know we can be here, which is good. Yeah, so it's fair to say we've had a few technical things. But we have managed to get online now. So good evening, everyone, from the Porter House pub in London. One of the largest pubs in London. Is that right? Where's this claim to be? It's the largest pub in London. I pointed out to the guys earlier on the last time I was here was 20 years ago, which is also the first time I was in this pub. My first ever work trip. For BT? Yeah, for BT. Came up to London, met my friend and came here. So, Damien, if you're out there. I'm giving up on that. So, it's a lovely pub, it's a lovely place. I can't even remember what I'm drinking now. I need to get another drink. Oh, you know what you're drinking. Paul and I are drinking Tempest Medium Tempted. Not as good as I thought it was. Tempest Medium Drive. That's all right now. The first taste was a bit too dry for me. Maybe it's got better. It's got a bit watered down as our ice has melted. It's a nice refreshing summer drink. I think it's a light beer. It's got a stone like it. It's a bit warm now. It's taken so long to get this technology working. I was quite impressed. I thought of Jeff as a technical scrum master at all. But he really showed his cross-functional skills this evening. With wireless microphones and laptops and streaming products. Is it all right? You did well. It just turns out that YouTube is a bit... Glad to do it. Waterhouse. Which to me reminds me of steak. Yeah, I thought it was going to be some sort of steak restaurant. I'm going to move the camera. Look at the walls here. All these different beers. Quite a nice looking pub, isn't it? Yeah, it's it. We didn't know you were in town. We didn't know you were in town. Yep, we didn't know you were in town. Let's get down and spend an hour playing forging. Let's get down and spend an hour playing forging. You got to give Nigel and Paul a t-shirt. You got to give Nigel and Paul a t-shirt. Official agile podcast merch. Official agile podcast merch. So, let's get all the seniors. So, let's get all the seniors. Cheers. It's a very good fit, actually. All taken aside. It's a nice top. How did we get one of these shirts? Well, well finished. So, these are for our patrons. For our Patreon members. They get one of these free shirts. And some lots of other merchandise. So, frankly, I get to understand what else you would want beyond declaring your love for agile and pubs via a t-shirt based product. Yes. So, we got Nigel's shirt ceremony this evening. The Sky Sports were here to watch him receive his shirt for the first time. Paparazzi were following in the way. So, this is the pub casting. Wonderful. Thank you so much. I'll pay dives. Our favourite special guest. Our only special guest. Other special guests? Only. You should get some more. Desperate for new material. So, what's new? Nigel, you're on recovery. Yes. I have had not a great week so far. I wasn't very well earlier in the week. I don't normally get ill and I got ill. So, for the first time in ages, I had to cancel work. Which I hate. Absolutely hate. It's something that I feel on other people down. So, I will never cancel if I have to. But I just couldn't physically work. It must have been bad for you to cancel. Because I know that you've been on course before when you've been pretty rough. And it must have been pretty bad for you to go back to your hotel room. Dive. Just tap out. I got down to reception. With all my materials. I thought I can't go another step. I can't teach. I can't talk. But I was interesting. Because I was talking earlier on. So, Jeff has put out a variety of materials and books. It's all very good. You should buy them. But you often post stuff on a composter syndrome. Which, to my shame, I've never felt. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. Obviously. But you do a lot of that on people pleaser. And people pleaser. So, I very much try and do. I'm very much a people pleaser. So, that wins on it. When I couldn't do the work. I felt really, really wretched about it. Yeah. I didn't worry about how people felt about me. I wanted to not let people down. It was really hard. Did you find assuage your concerns? Assuage. That's an interesting conversation. I'm sure that would overwork that. Because it's unavoidable. Yeah, it happens. It's an inevitable thing. Have you ever had to... Yeah. Well, I'm famously the person. This is not a recommendation. But I worked the day after my mother died. So, yeah. I was on a plane when she died. I don't know if she was going to die. Still, I could not travel. I had lots of people around to do the work. Was it a public course? Yeah, a public course. I thought I had to do it. That was hard. My declaration of celebration of my mom at the start. But the best thing was, I was in the hotel, feeling as you would, very bad. And one of the women who runs the hotel, the business side of it, came in to see how I was. I mentioned what happened. She came back with a cappuccino for me. So, I thought, think about it. It was such a small cappuccino. So, it was very beautiful. So, for me, it was really hard. I think, generally, that's one of my weaknesses. It's a good thing. Yeah, a fair bit of people hate that. Very, very obsessing people. Some people do. We all know people who do. They get pleasure from the chaos they cause. Other people's pain. I knew someone who did, again, this one details well, but they did a course on something. I think it's called the artist's way or something. I don't know all the details, but it's a self-help course. But one of the things they talk about on that course is what they call crazy makers. These are people who, like, just pull off disruption in your life. They're, I think, a very centre focus. They're like, they're literally like a, come in and shake up your world and so a lot of that, it's artist's way learning. How do you take your own space to yourself? The good of artists is going through your own thing. You're out. You always have to be a mother, a father, a parent, a child. You can have your own time to do your own thing. So almost teaching you to be selfish, which is interesting, because some people don't need to be taught that, but I thought it was quite powerful in terms of some of us who don't sometimes think of ourselves. Quite recently, well, yesterday, in fact, so part of our advanced Scrum Master class we were required to do some research and some work inside of the classroom in order to get certified. So we're getting some stuff to go away and learn and reflect on and basically, you have some homework to do. And they get a time box to do it and some of them do it quite quickly and some of them don't. And one person left it to the very last minute and I say, well, I'm just looking through where it looks like it's good. And she said, well, yeah, I've basically de-prioritized it. There was so much else going on at work it was more important for me to do all this other stuff than it was for me to do stuff for myself. And so Paul said I was a little bit a little bit patronizing in that response. They basically said, you don't need to put yourself first now and again, because if you can't serve yourself, if you're not developing yourself you're not going to be of service to anybody else. And I think that's something that those in the helping professions are traditionally not very good at. And the Scrum Master is one of those helping professions. There's two classic lines in that, isn't there? Put your oxygen mask on, we help anyone else, or what's it called? Mummy Bear. If the Mummy Bear guy's baby right, guys. So Mummy Bear has to be first. Because it always has no point for two. So that's all self-care first. How do you do Paul? I'm all right, mate. Good for a run. Self-care? You either did or you didn't. There isn't a try. There's five flights of stairs to walk up and through it. I'll get my kit on and then go down five flights of stairs to run. Geoff and I are staying in one of the worst hotels is a bit harsh. One of the most basic hotels is the smallest room I've ever been in. I know the second smallest room I've ever been in. But it's very small. There's no wardrobe. No safe, no where to put your toes apart. There's like four hooks. The shower is in the room. The shower's in the room. And you guys are top and tailing each other. There's three rooms in the fifth floor and we're in two of them. But it's no lift, no... There's a lot of what we might call threshold features that aren't present. There's always a big plan of landlines in the hotel or fun park. So, chasing point, very good example here, right? You get ill, you're in a hotel. I think you need to be able to phone an ambulance or whatever. I think there is a service that the hotel should provide that you can do that without having to provide your own phone. I think that's what you're paying for. You look like you disagree. Everybody's got a mobile. Really? It doesn't deal in absolutes. Only the fifth deal in absolutes. Thank you, Nigel. And also, incorrect in terms of the Star Wars mythology. But I think for me, those basic things, I think you're still here. It's mainly because I need to always bring down and get an idea more. That's why. So last night I had to, in the hotel, use the hotel on Google find the hotel phone number on Google bring the hotel that I was in on the front phone and say hi. Because you don't know what, we're just going to get a beer. It's kind of like a technical opportunity. What do we got, Jack? Cheers. Cheers. This is a good angle for my double gins. Yeah, it makes me feel like dinner. And yeah. That's a good step. That's perfect. Hello. I have no idea. I have no idea. Welcome back. What were we talking about? We were rudely interrupted by technology. In what? In the hotel? Yeah. I mentioned people-pleasing ages ago that's a weakness of mine. We then went to a variety of discussions on that type of aspect of our lives. You said about people being not being the worst in here. Better being the people hate them. Yeah. Kind of class or trouble maker. You've got to have a balance. Yeah. If you have no intention to hate other people you're going to not be very well liked and you're not going to be very well accepted. You can go rapport but everybody at their expense of you is going to screw you to put it out for you. Yeah. So how do you rate yourself on the people-pleasing score? I'm quite good. I'm wondering about making sure everybody's happy. It's quite nice. I'm also quite high in the apostasy level. How do you find doing training? Well I think actually in fact training helps. So I've had a couple of months where I haven't been doing a lot of training and if anything my apostasy level is not that great because you're more separated from doing people who are doing work. So I don't want to go back to it. Certainly the first post back after work some time up is quite a bit cold here. Did you get the edge up a little bit? No I've never done that. Who would do that? Who's got the edge up thing? What I find interesting is when you forget your pattern you're a stage part. So if you do a course too much it's very easy to get there. Not in a rough but you've got a certain way of doing something a certain way of articulating it and you have a big break and you forget those little patterns you built up and you can make seams like you fresher as well and so I've followed that. It's harder on us because obviously patterns are the most important course. Easier foot or so Yeah, repeatable. I think it's what you don't want. I've got a guy today who I trained eight years ago on the course so it's interesting for me to just own my own head thinking back about how the course is different and how it's the same level as it is and what other things have been added, what policies have been done which are still very similar for that. That's quite interesting in my own head. I want to sort of tell me it's a nice I'm not sure that Peter used it but we're just doing it for them for me it's quite interesting to take your time. So, we said where we are Have you seen that one? It's the lemon tree isn't it? Is that about a lemon tree? I was called the lemon tree and we were in Covent Garden still I think but we were very interested in showing the course at Queen Station We built four hours and an hour again You don't want to talk about that You don't want to talk about it You can't be rendering Very bussy Didn't see it, can't see it Now we're now on the shorts Yeah, I thought this is our last drink of the night so Normally, hubcast is late We should be in bed We had our first show It's our last thing just because of the technology that we are So but what interesting to finish off with you guys What do you think you were surprised this was so short You always know more about what's going on No, there's some things we talked about offline and stay-off You remember what they were and not to do with me, by the way but there's some things you had to do about that but no, not on that point We're talking about New York The opening for New York I'm gathering it's 4 week window to submit now for next April That's a long time in advance It's about being relevant things that you want to talk about now might not be relevant 12 months is a long time so it's going to be a frozen I'm not impressed with that 8 years is important when you did that reflection Yeah, that's fine So 18% is still relevant but that's true but would that be 8% as a conference Probably a conference with a new different and unusual and not standard in the past So I would suggest 12 Let's say, theoretically hypothetically hypothetically that would still be I'm saying I could submit a session in a state based on session but you gotta suck You've also got to bear in mind that we tend to see these boxes through our own lens We've got people there who are going to be turning up and never going to gather and they're going to enjoy the basics I'm not going to mention on this because it's my little secret mission Don't dig into that but I think that is very much back to basics where I think it will be useful for a lot of you attending these as much as you did when you heard the idea but I think I'm kind of cool so yeah You did really help with it as well So yeah It's the basic use of the input It's based around the offer of comedy which is teachable It's very good Every day is a school day Yes I am I'm social media So for me it does need to be a later window It's interesting I wonder I know nothing about it I wonder whether they are opening themselves up for curating the view whether the core payment is for say 80% they save themselves I think there's been a lot more curations gathering than there have been I thought that was a good thing but Microsoft is doing it very early People who get in can organise their work life around it which is nice It's sub-optimisation Is it earlier than the usual It's so much earlier It doesn't feel that much But it feels like the window is just not short It ends around the Christmas January The window should be a lot longer It should be a lot longer It isn't very long and it's already I'm going to have to do mine before I go on Oh We should definitely re-submit I thought that was brilliant I didn't get it Paul and I did one genuinely for Venice I think it was genuinely amazing I was very disappointed I think America would be a better fit for it What was it Can we say on this Paul and I did one on pairing We're using pairing in a variety of settings mainly for professional estimates But the idea is not just pairing in terms of pair coaching, pair training different styles of pairing different models of pairing so bringing those all into our industry and how we can use them All through the medium of pairing So that's the idea Don't steal it It's ours, not yours, ours So What's the message So you'd have to come to it now Thanks So if you had to submit yet Nothing will I probably get to the mindset If I were If I were writing a book If you were writing a book If you were writing a book What would I write a book about And then maybe Frame of subjects around that It's a pity you're not writing a book but it is I've got a lot of time No, I've got a lot of time Four weeks Yeah, it's not a good thing actually Oh wow 30, God 30 years old How old actually are you It's a big one It's a big one There are plenty of big ones Every year's big ones Where are you from You've got so many I remember the big one I looked in the mirror and it was probably I thought I was making animated character reviews I had to make a decision Just get the badger from the badger Badger videos Badger, badger, badger, badger Mine is mean joke Badger, badger, badger It's a snake It's a snake I don't want to be shown Badger, badger, badger I thought going bald I'd be freed till I was grey Shave it Shave it Shave it No, it's not like a beach ball It doesn't have sunbathing there So Eyebrows Thank you, let's lose the style Or the hood someone said from Thunderbirds C'mon all Jeff doesn't know it's Thunderbirds Ladies know it That's the one Parker Yes That's what I think I think there's a little bit of Joy DeVee I can't I didn't do any French and Scrooge But he did English I like the word Joy DeVee How do you say it against the flesh Shwa Shwa It's too Joy I was keeping I should have used it better What is that T-art It's a little bit Back to after I finished it I think there's a lot of positions A bit of humour and a bit of fun With them and these girls That seems a bit run after them And they can get A little drive They're all white I saw you asked The Twizzers fear what they would like Yes, yes, but one or two people So Not a good sample size But they were good People like that gave me help There was stuff on the bottom I think it was just Back to firing If you remember when we started There was no top down machine So you had to do all that Revolutionary guerrilla style And that's completely on the way With the bosses preparing their devotion To the land that I think But I think there's a place for that Revolutionary viable stuff That we could talk about again But I haven't done anything about in a long time So maybe there's a map Again though I'll have a bit of controversy Could you bring a slight Revolutionary edge to it Like cells and stuff How you work together How you get taken down So I've got some interesting ideas I would be nervous With some of the power of climate Or perhaps Fully I don't feel I understand Well I just No it's fine I just feel sometimes I've just done a couple of times Over the last couple of years on human Where people have got offended I haven't been offensive But it's very offensive And so I am more Caught somehow In terms of presentations and conferences etc Taking offences always But it still has people's visas And so and also People have been very busy So I don't know Some of you have been caring But I think sad because How can you challenge You can't stay this close thinking You can't challenge some of the most I just recognize it So it's your voice being done Because I'm a controlling care like I am I feel sad for that But it's the only attempt That's what I just said before The world's seeing what happens So Well we can say that So I felt that being constructive Was also a huge part Of that Interesting Well I think we're going to try We're going to try and bring the podcast Would that be a bar cast though Yeah there isn't here A couple doesn't put it But the hope is that we do Some kind of live Streamed and Recorded and Conference style session That'd be good I know a few podcast do that They go do all these Conference all that type of thing Gatherings and they'll have a live one For the audience And then I'll have that as a material afterwards That's really good So that'll be So everybody You should email and contact the Scrum Alliance For the entire podcast live Scrum Gathering New York Yeah email on that All you hundreds of watchers at this moment If you get an email on the Scrum Alliance And tell them that that'll be great Means Jeff will get a free conference That'll be good You can pay Here we are We're done We're done I'm totally enjoying this diet code Thank you very much You're welcome Bye