 Boren, Bauch, Bowers, Decker, Gisha, Hannah, Heidemann, Koth, Kittleson, Clioness, Montemayor, Rindfleisch, Cirque, Vanderweel, Vu, and Wongamon. 15 present. We have a quorum. If everybody can please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, everybody. Alderman Boren would like to say a word. Thank you, Mayor Ryan. I just wanted to let everybody know, in case you're not aware of it, our colleague, Alderperson Clioness, is in a Milwaukee hospital recovering from a procedure. And when I talked to Jean last week, she thought she would be home mid to late week. Let's all keep her in our thoughts and prayers. Thank you. Thank you, Alderman Boren. And please, everybody, do keep Alderperson Clioness in your thoughts and prayers. OK. Moving on here, we do have an executive summary that has been handed out to all of the Aldermen. And if Terry, if you'd like to review the executive summary, this is the short version of the budget. As it stands right now, I will have a few comments along with President Gishe after our director of finance is finished. Terry? All right. You all have a copy of the executive summary and basically laid out all of the items that were resolved by the council as far as a goal 10 budget and beyond, and then also the specific guidelines for the 2010 budget. The goals and objectives, the 2010 budget did reach the 80 fund expenditures. That was one of the goals and objectives placed before the administration. Then there was a $236,787,000 reduction in the utilization of fund balances in the general fund. And then there was also a $440,000 reduction of reliance on one-time revenues in the general fund. So overall, there was $676,000 reduced from one-time revenues in essence in the general fund. And then there were also funds placed and made available for training programs for the employees in the 2010 budget. Another item, item number five under the goals and objectives. Under the guidelines, the tax rate for 2010 remains the same as it was in 2009 at approximately $8.36. And we also have $2 million worth of capital improvements programming budgeted for 2010. And those projects will be determined by the Capital Improvement Commission in the upcoming months. And then as the big item in the 2010 budget is the change in staffing, there are a total of 20 positions that were reduced in the 2010 budget. We had one out of the assessor's office, three out of engineering, three out of building inspection, two out of public works, but they were reassigned to wastewater, seven in the fire department, one was proposed by the department, and then six of the others are not replacing upcoming retirements, and then four positions in the police department. Then the finance committee met and to sum up the changes that were done, there was a $228,000 reduction in the levy for the library, and that $228,000 was added to the general fund tax levy. And then the resulting shortage from that in the library fund and then the overage in the general fund was affected each fund's fund balance. So the fund balance went up in the general fund and the fund balance went down in the library fund. Then there were minor housekeeping changes in the general fund and the library fund and the wastewater fund. Thank you, Terry. The budget as it is being passed this evening does include these cuts. However, we are currently in contract negotiations with our various unions in the city. We do have three tentative agreements that we have reached that still need to be ratified. The tentative agreements right now are in fire, our police officers union and the police supervisors. Speaking of the reduction in staff regarding our negotiations, provided that these are ratified, we can make some adjustments in our staff reductions. Fire in particular, right now the fire department has agreed to some give-backs to the city regarding former pay increases. They have also agreed to buy in on the deductible of our insurance, which will save us a significant amount of money also. With some other revenue enhancing proposals that they are making, it is possible that we may not have to close a fire station and may not have to reduce that staff as is now said in the budget, but this all depends upon ratification of these contract agreements. We also have two other agreements in place that need to be ratified and we are making progress on the others. So a lot of what we are seeing here on these numbers this evening can be adjusted according to contract negotiations. Regarding the library and the $228,000 decrease from the library budget and return to the general fund, we also have an agreement in place with the library that the library returns $459,000 to the city. The city assumes some of the future liability of some future liabilities of the library and then a portion of that will be returned back to the library to meet the maintenance of effort. Therefore the library will not be under the maintenance of effort for this year and we will not have to worry about cutting $228,000 and possibly having to fund more than that on the backside if we were to be expelled from the Eastern Shores library system. So these are all fluid at the moment. I do expect the agreement to be completed this week with the library and hopefully we can get some ratifications on our union contracts and hopefully a lot of these, we also have building inspection working on some revenue enhancement programs. Hopefully we can avoid a lot of the loss of positions in the city with holding the line on the tax rate and that's the whole idea. We came into this saying that we did not want to increase the tax rate and we are not going to increase the tax rate. Hopefully through negotiations we can also keep most of our positions funded on top of it. Alderman Gisha, did your President Gisha, did you have anything? Sure. Thank you, Your Honor. I reiterate a lot of what you said and just wanted to add a thank you to the Finance Department and the Finance Committee. I don't know, one meeting was about four and a half hours and the rest were countless hours in the back room with Terry's team and members of the Finance Committee. It's been an interesting change in dynamic with this budget. The discussions have turned to revenue producing, which is great, which is an unusual change for government and a lot of that goes to the thanks of our city employees who pitched in and participated and our citizens who I think have participated more than any budget I've ever been involved with to date with the city. The department heads have stepped up in a very difficult situation. You look at the potential layoff scenarios and it affects a lot of our departments and it's difficult on the department heads and they've been great team members. I do wanna mention that a lot is said about the environmental service fees and as you can see there's a document that we'll be voting on tonight or at least filing that has removed those things from the budget and there's a lot of community discussion and I think community discussion is excellent and I wanna commend the mayor and his team for bringing that proposal forward. Like it, hate it, don't have an idea about it. It started a discussion that wasn't our normal status quo which is just what the city is gonna need to do better in years to come. That was not business as usual and that's what shook things up and it took guts to do that and I appreciate those kind of guts that engage the community and I think the community's better off for having done that and I know that you and your team, mayor, had nothing but the long-term best interests of the city at heart and you should be commended for bringing it forward and I think a lot of other ideas percolated out of that that we'll be able to dig our teeth into through the years so regarding positions and contracts as I'm on the negotiation committee I cannot get real specific except to say that our union partners have been very interested in the dialogue we've had. I think they understand the situation and I think with what is developing out of that we will be able to make the decisions to deal with some of these potential layoffs perhaps differently and I would suggest that we would on prioritization of services and I think we'll hear more of that from the mayor as these numbers become vetted out. We have an idea how much money we're talking about. So what to expect over the next couple of months I think involves that money or potential money as a lot of these aren't ratified and on the union side they're tentative agreements and I think we're gonna see some changes in the city budget over the next couple of months regarding some of these personnel things and I think the council should be prepared for that. I just want to let them know it's a fairly fluid situation that we will need to revisit some of these definitely these areas of cuts and we'll have the ability to revisit thanks to those who are stepping forward. I will single out specifically although they've all been great to this point the fire department union for being the one to break the ice and to come forward in the best interest of the city. I'm not shilling for him we had some pretty heavy duty aggressive discussions. Let's say but in the end I wanna thank them for doing that. So more to come over the next two months I guess I wanted to mention and I think some of that will be involved the entire council and all the committees. Thank you. Thank you president Gisha I'd also like to thank on the environmental services fee especially finance director Hanson and also Dave Lutz in our city assessor's office we spent many many hours on that granted it wasn't successful however it gives us some guidelines that we can sink our teeth into in the future as president Gisha said also regarding this entire budget I will be the first person to admit that I am not a numbers guy I never have been that's why we have Terry here and he's put in numerous countless hours on this budget and it's been interesting to sit down with all the department heads and Terry and to watch his reaction sometimes I can tell when he's having a good day and when he's not when a big number comes up that was not expected and he puts his head down when his head comes back up if his eyes are beat red I know it's a very important situation that we're in right then and then as his eyes clear up I know that he's got it all figured out so it's been interesting I think Terry he's put in a lot of time on this and he definitely deserves the accolades of the entire city. Moving on we have a report of committee seven SP four dash one by finance recommending filing documents relating to the environmental fee storm water slash residential solid waste system user fees president Gisha motion to file please we have a motion in a second under discussion we have a roll call please one Boke Bowers Decker Gisha Hanna Heidemann Koth Kiddelsen Montemayor Rindfleisch Cirque Vanderwheel Vu and Wongaman 15 eyes motion carries report of committee six SP four dash two by finance recommending filing various documents president Gisha thank you your honor motion to accept and adopt the RC motion in a second under discussion no discussion roll call please Boke Bowers Decker Gisha Hanna Heidemann Koth Kiddelsen Montemayor Rindfleisch Cirque Vanderwheel Vu Wongaman and Boren 15 eyes motion carries matters laid over we have 1635 through 1648 which are all recommendations back from standing committees regarding the budget president Gisha motion to accept and adopt 1635 through 1648 we have a motion in the second on the floor under discussion Alderman sir thank you mayor I I know there are a number of documents here for example I don't quite understand what the procedure should be but for example under protection and safety we uh... when the budget was presented to that committee the motion was astounded council with no recommendation and that was passed unanimously also non-licensing when the budget was brought up before non-licensing we passed it with reservations I think there were two concerns one was the was the charging of the city attorney's office with IT charges and and charging funds to uh... that particular department too for retirement so I don't know how that goes in the mix I mean we're asking to vote on the whole series of documents but uh... there's a high vote say we we accept uh... the finance department's recommendation or you would bring up the other issues other to put uh... other committees and I vote would be to pass all of the documents if you'd like to pull any out for individual votes that may be done also alderman sir basically all these are c's came from the standing committees so you want on licensing or you want whatever committee made a recommendation with you know whatever it was all you're doing by accepting adopting is what you have said in your committee are accepting adopting that this is what the committee has reported okay thank you it's not an amendable thing it would be something that you just accept and adopt as a report of your committee whichever one you're on okay we do have some questions on the budget itself and I think we'll talk about it later so okay thank you thank you alderman sir we have alderman bowers thank you very uh... in regards to alderman sir question in the public protection and I'm going to offer an amendment on the SP floor regarding the building inspection department so uh... we're not there yet and we're not there yet we're still back in the matters laid over alderman bowers SP floor will be coming up on okay so just a little bit later okay do we have any further discussion on sixteen thirty five through sixteen forty eight if we have none roll call please bowers thank you decker geisha hannah heidemann kath kittleson montemayor rindflash surik vanderweal wangaman boron and balk fifteen eyes motion carries report of committee SP four dash three by finance met regarding rc number three twenty eight dash zero nine dash ten stipulating that the two hundred twenty eight thousand in the general fund that was moved from the library fund tax levy can be transferred back to the library funded twenty ten to meet the maintenance of effort for the library and further discuss the twenty ten budget recommends the changes in the mayor's executive budget for fund one oh one and six oh five and to make various changes president geisha motion to accept and adopt the rc have a motion in a second under discussion all the person wants me or thank you mister mayor i was glad to hear the words of you mister mayor this evening and alderman geisha regarding uh... some of the positions that may end up being saved by the work of of the union concessions as a result of the words that you said and the words that alderman geisha said i will support tonight's budget because you have said that you are going to look at keeping some of these positions and the library maintenance of maintenance of effort because remember we as council our purpose is to give as many benefits and services to the community as possible with the amount of money we have they are the company and we need they are uh... the customer we need to provide as much as we possibly can so i'm taking you at your word and alderman geisha at his word thank you all the person on to me or and may i add that it's not only uh... through the the work of uh... of negotiating with our our labor unions it's also a lot of it is staff a lot of it is our department heads our management that uh... have also come up with these agreements any further discussion roll call please decker geisha hannah heidemann kath kittleson montemayor rinflash suric vander wheel voodoo wangaman borin bauk and bowers fifteen eyes motion carries reports of committees sp four dash four by finance recommending ordering the twenty ten budget appropriations for the city of sheboygan funds and passing the attached substitute resolution president geisha thank you're on our motion to accept and adopt the rc and pass these substitute resolution we have a motion to second under discussion alderman bowers thank you very much at this time i'd like to uh... add to amend the budget regarding the but uh... billion inspection department uh... i i've uh... gone over some of these fees and i believe that we could with the increase in fees and other things that we can save uh... three positions in a billion inspection department so if there's any questions uh... paulette uh... enters could answer them and now maybe i could answer him too if there's any questions by the council excuse me alderman bowers are you looking to amend the substitute resolution yes and i'll be reported back to committee in the public uh... protection committee analyze the the figures you want to amend the substitute resolution regarding building inspection to do what sent back to public uh... protection so that we can analyze the figures and increase the figures that uh... uh... not currently in the budget okay may we have a second for purposes of discussion we have a second president gisha thank you your honor uh... there has been a plan that's been kind of not knocked around for the last few days it has not been vetted by the finance department maybe this goes back to the fluid situation that we discussed earlier the potential as we talked about to change the potential layoff scenarios does exist uh... we have no plan that's been vetted by the finance department i checked as early as four o'clock this afternoon to be sure perhaps this would be better contained in round two of of potential discussions we we have no labor agreement with that group we don't have a lot of things that would factor into this also if i could suggest that if if uh... for purpose of clarification i believe building inspection is under the finance department public protection and safety would be would not be uh... uh... is that the appropriate committee for to go back to building inspection is under public protection and safety it is under for public protection seems rather odd doesn't but but thanks uh... so i i would suggest that we we not do this and a we have nothing to vote on we have no financial plan we have no nothing vetted by the finance department to see if it even works or not we'd be betting on air uh... if i if i may add uh... we met uh... with uh... paulette enders who is the department head for building inspection uh... i believe we finished up at five o'clock this afternoon again we are going to be meeting on this all friday uh... to to work out a plan with building inspection and to come up with some solid numbers we do have some preliminary numbers which i do have here however a lot of it needs to be uh... needs to be vetted out uh... that we can come up with a plan uh... for building inspection that hopefully we can retain some of those positions however there's a lot of uh... there's a lot of work to be done in order to verify that all of these numbers are going to to meet the goals that we need to meet and so that's uh... that is part of our fluid situation that we have here and uh... that's where it is at right now alderman sir thank you mayor uh... like to say this is there is no round two in terms of discussion this evening we approve this budget it's set now we can talk about what could happen negotiations what can do here and there but my concern i do have concern with the numbers and i don't think this would be appropriate time terry do you address the you need to stay on the amendment right now we're on the amendment proposed by alderman bowers right now okay well reserve my time later on thank you next we have alderman hannah thank you mister mayor and i've seen some of the preliminary numbers and i'm glad that you're vending the process i think that's excellent if alderman gish would like building inspection under finance and and if he's willing to take the sex offender residency with it as as chair of public protection and safety i would be happy to transfer those response okay do we have a second on that thank you alderman hannah next uh... we have uh... alderman rindflash uh... thank you mayor ryan i agree that we definitely need to look at the negotiations that's that's sort of the discussions that are in play right now at saving that uh... number three on our uh... resolution established previously about our goals and objectives neighborhood needs special attention is warranted increasing inspections and expanding code enforcement so i think by uh... laying that department offer going the opposite direction so i urge you to continue your efforts and i thank you for doing so uh... and also to negotiations uh... alderman circuit is correct when we there is no round two when we're passing this budget we're passing the number we're passing the appropriations uh... but also passing the number appropriations can change we're simply setting aside what money goes but we're but it's not carbon stone yet that that's the amount what we're actually setting is is the next step is step five where we're establishing a tax levy uh... and the amount of money and expected revenues are bringing in the amount expected outlays we're going to have going forward as well in short though what that means is that it to save those positions unfortunately means it has to be enough revenue generated to balance out whatever budget we passed today we can't change the budget once it's passed today so i urge that that continue on uh... and uh... for those constituents that were very concerned and asked me to not vote on the budget because of this particular issue i say that you know we'll be continued to look at it because it's it's still as you say fluid uh... the total budget number will be set tonight if we long we can increase the revenues uh... within that department to offset any layoffs of before that thank you and there can be budget amendments in the future also next uh... alderman Bowers did you want to speak again on this alderman Bowers thank you mayor well i would like to add uh... will be when you meet friday will be public uh... protection committee be invited to that meeting or out of our hands no anything that has come up with that we come up with meeting will be referred to public protection and safety for the next public protection safety for discussion okay so they were not closing the door were uh... the budgets passed tonight and uh... these positions will be eliminated or the money right right that i mean the idea is to continue these discussions we are setting a as alderman renflex said we're setting the the tax rate this evening uh... we are setting what we know of for expenses and revenues at this point this evening if we can come up with some enhanced revenues through building inspection through uh... rental inspections through code enforcement et cetera uh... that we will come up with and at that point that will be going to public protection and safety will come back to the council obviously we'll have to go through finance again correct and uh... we will come through with a uh... with a budget amendment in order to preserve those positions add that revenue to the to the budget and to move forward and uh... and uh... get some of these inspections done that we so sorely need in the city all the first month there thank you again mister mayor and i want to think alderman renflex for his information that he gave to us now and again i want to reiterate it's hard to vote for specific the specific cuts which we are evidently not doing because voting for these specific job cuts reduces services to the taxpayers a lot so alderman renflex i assume is correct and that we are not voting for specific job cuts i believe you are correct thank you alderman hannah once again just a just a point of clarification there when it comes back let's say it comes back to public works back through finance when it does come back then it's a two-thirds vote to amend correct okay thank you which will mean that it will be a good program that by the time it gets thank you alderman hannah next we have president geisha just as a right reminder with the budget you can have around two through two thousand is with a two-thirds vote of we did it last year several times it's the way it works we are setting the rate that'll be another document uh... coming forward but we i just want to remind everyone who's watching or listening that we have a state statute that mandates us to have a balanced budget unlike the state or perhaps a school system you can't just borrow money to patch hole to patch holes financial holes in your budget so if the suggestion is move four hundred thousand dollars into uh... into the building inspection budget tonight that four hundred thousand would have to come from someplace else so you can't just do one without the other without this and so it's a balancing act but we do have a statutory requirement to balance the budget not just add money because they're because where do you add it from so uh... just as clarification for people wondering how this works and statutory uh... requirement decided it's uh... it's good practice to have a balanced budget thank you president gisha alderman rindflish yeah final comment um... technically the budget has passed would have those layoffs unless down the road uh... offsets are found uh... so uh... just to clarify alderman montemayors is that if you know what passing right now is what is in the budget with those layoffs unless we find offsets to keep them down the road so yes and no to answer the alderman's question that uh... you are voting for him but they can be changed down the road and as alderman gisha said we did change it a lot what we can't change though is our tax levy in the next year we can only change you know the revenues with offsets so this is the last chance to raise taxes if you'd like to this be it tonight um... the original reason i punched in though was to uh... withhold or withdraw my second of the motion at this time but i want to tell everyone who's done speaking before i did so very good thank you alderman rindflash can we have alderman bowers withdraw? alderman bowers would you like to withdraw your motion at this point on the amendment yes i'll withdraw the motion very good sir okay any further discussion we have roll call please and this will be on the original rc accepting and adopting and passing the substitute resolution everybody okay on that? gisha hannah hi heidemann kath hi kittleson hi montemayor hi rindflash hi suric no van der wheel hi vu hi wangeman hi boran hi bauk hi bowers no and decker hi thirteen i's two no's motion carries sp4-5 by finance recommending ordering the 2010 budget appropriations in the 2010 tax levy for you stirring the calendar year 2010 budget and passing the attached substitute resolution president gisha thank you your honor uh motion to accept and adopt the rc and pass the substitute resolution second we have a motion in a second under discussion no discussion roll call please hannah heidemann hi kath hi kittleson hi montemayor hi rindflash hi suric no van der wheel hi vu wangeman hi boran hi bauk hi bowers hi excuse me excuse me he did you say hi alderman bowers did you say hi yes thank you decker and gisha hi fourteen i's one no motion carries we have a motion to adjourn in a second all in favor say aye opposed we are adjourned thank you everybody