 Hey y'all this is Jamie with Out of Bounds with Jamie and Abby presented by Ashley. Yes and on today's episode we have the amazing Melissa Joan Hart and her co-host on her podcast Amanda Lee and they're amazing we talked about Sabrina and Clarissa and their podcast called What Women Binge and it's a really good one but we're also at the 1230 club if you guys are watching on the video version and it's beautiful here and we're thankful they let us come in so we hope you enjoy today's episode. We're at the beginning and since you guys have a podcast named What Women Binge which is what Jamie and Abby binged for the last four days and it's amazing we kind of want to start with like your friendship and how that started um I think that's appropriate right? Yeah well um random Thursday afternoon Melissa showed up in my kitchen. Oh I love my son invited himself to her house and I had to go pick him up that's how it all started and you know those play dates where like the kids won't leave so you end up just sitting with the moms in the in the kitchen and we became fast friends like really fast talked for like over an hour and then I was like oh I think I gotta go so yeah it was all my son's doing just of like bullying himself into her like car really he was so sweet taking home from school and kudos to our kid's school for not telling me how to get in touch with his parents because he was like just call my mom I was like cool I don't know your mom yeah fine did you not know until she showed up at so I found out like the day before so I asked around I was like I need Tucker's mom's number and they were like uh you don't know and I was like what am I missing? No and they were like ah Tucker's mom's was a Joan heart and I was like cool cool so yeah and then so I was glad I was glad to know they were protecting me yeah oh no they were great thank you for the security not that we need it but at the same time like yeah it was it was funny that the story about her trying to get my number yeah she ended up calling Mark right I texted whatever random number was in the school directory there was no it was just like the kid's names you know yeah they do that and so I was like this could be a house number this could be an assistant this could be I don't know so I just texted it hoping someone would see it and mark my the worst communicator in our family and that's your husband yes yeah he's and he is just like not the person you want to call if you need anything he's just like not an emergency if you don't ask him a question he doesn't respond yeah okay I'll oftentimes be like did you get my seven texts that I sent you and he's like yeah and I'm like but you didn't respond and he's like well you didn't ask a question yeah that's funny give one more answers I learned this very early on in our relationship yeah yes you did so how many years ago was that this two just two years ago yeah is that when you move two years ago okay yeah like like two in a little a little bit but yeah I mean this is our third school year here but we moved in the middle of 2020 okay okay so yeah we're new to Nashville although right in the middle of clove it right in the middle of code and that's sort of the reason sort of um we were well I was I have a very complicated past where are you from I'm like I can't answer that um born in New York lived in LA from in my 20s met mark had two kids moved to Connecticut but actually we looked at Nashville in like 2009 when we were trying to find a place to leave LA and go somewhere else we just wanted to raise the kids in smaller community yeah and we came to Nashville and mark wanted to be here but all we really did was go to Titans games so I was like I don't feel like I know the town very well not really sure where I want to live you know so I was like it's not downtown so you know where am I going but we ended up in Connecticut we were there about 10 years then we moved to Lake Tahoe for two years and then from Tahoe we went back to Connecticut for a few months before we made the jump here so we came here yeah mid 20 end of 2020 do you see yourself staying do you like well we made a commitment to 10 years okay oh wow that's a long time well because that's when the kids were out of high school yeah I get that sort of like we've moved them around a lot yes we have to hold still like we have to settle down and so we made that commitment so it's sort of when people are like do you love it I'm like I don't really think about it like do I love it or do I yeah there's nothing there's like it just we're here and I and I dig in and I I bloom where I'm planted and like I made great friends and my kids have made great friends and we like the school that they're at and we like our town and so I mean we love our house so we're we're good she's planted I'm not letting her go anyway I know I know I know for you 10 years sounds great but I don't I mean that's just a starting point but then we have our but then we have our widow plans so we're good oh sorry I call it my widow plan so let me tell y'all only because everything you're saying it relates to me so much listening to y'all and getting to know y'all through your podcast your very first podcast it's very similar to two of us like you and I are the same age y'all two are the same age I mean the kids we have kids the same age I have a junior and an eighth grader okay and it just everything is relatable and with you moving now we're at the point because we've moved everywhere we're at the point like I don't want to move until the kids graduate like it just this is hard age yeah it isn't so like you feel like this is the time when they need their friends they need to right be in a group to like they need other people around them that they know and are familiar with and trust and adults too yeah like having um like their friends parents be a big influence on their life and and um like I know my son my 16 year old has a boy a friend of his that he he wants to go to their house and have dinner with the parents yeah and oftentimes I'll be like you didn't come home on curfew he's like but I was with them so yeah I was with all parents they're just not mine right that's okay right I didn't want to be rude and get up from she had made a pie and I was gonna eat it all right but still there's a curfew like yeah so he told her before pie oh yeah he's dry I see that's the problem with moving here this is the one thing I get mad about is it reduce the age of dry because I always say your kids you know they're like oh you have until you're 18 no you have them till they drive yes moving here that lowered the age of years so last night with Halloween yeah my 17 well 16 nearly 17 now went to one of her best friends house and with the parents handed out candy doing pumpkins doing seeds all the things she calls me at 10 I told her 10 30 curfew she calls me she's like mom can I just sleep here and she's like I'll just come home in the morning and um get ready for school because we live I'm not gonna say anyway she's like so John said no and I was like what do you mean but she's with the parents I mean they're doing absolutely nothing wrong yeah and he was like no well now all of a sudden she thinks she can do anything in the world and go she doesn't ask she just says and I'm like calm down calm down and she's on the phone going mommy I'm coming home it's so funny I swear on my way here my husband and I had a similar argument like just like he my son has really great straight A's like great grades taken tough classes in football until eight o'clock nine o'clock every night um you know just like doesn't party wanted to go trick-or-treat instead of go to parties um all of his friends come to our house so I know them really well he's not disappearing stuff but he's kind of doing the same thing where he's sort of like telling us I'm going here see you later and my husband's like we gotta stop this we gotta stop we gotta take away his phone in his car I'm like whoa like at what point do you punish them when they're actually good kids they're good right so you know you don't want to let them have you know we gotta let the leash go a little and then like you know you rein it back in when they kind of misbehave but it's not really misbehaving he didn't do his laundry this morning I'm sorry he did do his laundry he put his regular clothes in with his dry fit in the dryer and he's upset about that so my husband's a little you know when it comes to the laundry I was about to say I didn't know you couldn't do that he likes to separate them because these dry faster and you know we usually hang dry our dry just so you know gotcha in case you needed to know that I thought the problem was that he put them in the dryer to begin with well that's what normally but mark likes to separate them because then you can quick dry these and then get the other yeah anyway he mixed his laundry 101 on Jamie and Abby learn something new for you sure do yeah that's tricky though when they can drive and like you're they're not under your control but yeah like they're leaving in two years so you do have to let them like learn on their own but yeah I mean my kids are little so I can't speak to it and he's a good he's a really good driver so it's yeah you guys have that in common with a little kid yeah yeah so oftentimes we'll get in like fights where we're all of a sudden we not fights but like we'll disagree and we'll go oh wait our kids are different like yeah I'm seeing the big hairy boys that are like you know want to like I'm talking to their door most of the time I was like you're coddling them I'm like they're seven yeah and I was like I'm coddling them but we got an argument about the Jeffrey Dahmer thing oh yeah yeah because the Jeffrey Dahmer um I didn't know anything about him and then I looked it up and I didn't realize it was like teenage boys that horrifying right but we were talking about like what could the police have done differently than let the boy go back in Jeffrey Dahmer's control like when he was drunk like should they take in um intoxicated children and I was like well I think anyone intoxicated maybe should go sit it out in the holding cell for a little while and before anything bad happens and she was like don't put my kids in a holding cell and I was like oh you can put my kids in mine are big yeah but need a little scare and you're yeah it itty bitty little I'm still thinking like no they're fragile you'll break them you want to pinch their little cheeks well let's say this so you have three boys and you have a boy and twin girls yes and what are their ages again uh riker my boy just turned 10 and my girls will have just turned seven seven years yeah and then melissa how old are your boys 16 14 and 10 so we have the 10 year olds gotcha that's the oh that's the connection that's the that's the match maker my oldest or youngest yeah yeah okay well you have a long way to go to meet my ages I know well I was seven so I have a daughter that's seven and a son that's almost two so okay yeah and I have 13 and 17 16 I keep saying 17 her birthday this month that's why I keep saying it so it's it is well yeah actually my son will be 17 January yeah so he's a sophomore a junior he is a junior yes oh so they are the same grade yeah yeah yeah and then my eighth grader is actually he's 14 he'll be 15 um he and the little one we uh repeated I don't want to say held back we repeated um last year kind of kind of when we started yeah and my little girl's eighth grade 14 in January so very common yeah very common so let's go back to the podcast how did y'all come up with this concept yeah it really comes from like during COVID shutdown my girlfriend's back in Connecticut I was living in Tahoe but my girlfriend's back in Connecticut I have this massive group text of girls and everybody was constantly what are you watching what I need a new show I need a new book I need a podcast for a long drive I'm doing I need I need I need so one friend was like we call her spreadsheet she was like I'm going to start a spreadsheet literally we call her like everyone needs a she had a birthday yesterday and we were like happy birthday spreadsheet yeah totally we have some of those that's you happy it is me that is you okay I'm your spreadsheet but um so she was like I'll start a spreadsheet and I was like why don't I start an Instagram page this would be fun and so then I was like well I'll just find like you know movie covers and book covers and what not to put on the Instagram page and I'll finally have a pretty Instagram like I don't have one of those pretty Instagram like mine's not curated it's not pretty it's really it was real life it's dirty there's some dark pictures where I'm like that's the only picture I got of my kid I'm sorry I I so yeah so I started the Instagram page and uh and then I was like people have always been asking me like would you do a podcast would you like my agents would you do a podcast would you do a podcast and I was like I mean maybe what would I do and I kept trying to think up things and they felt forced and whatnot and then this kind of came up and I was like I want to talk to people because so often you sit down and you talk about like what are you watching what are you oh have you watched The New House of Dragons have you watched The New Handmaid's Tale have you you know did you check out this new show have you heard of this and there's just so much content to weed through now so I was like let's do this and then Amanda um her husband works in kind of like broadcasting and media all the different forms so we were like I was like do you think Logan would do this and she was like yeah and then I was like and would you be my co-host because I was like we have such fun talking and we never run out of things to talk about we were like this could be really that's awesome then she designed the studio and yeah I was gonna ask if you do you have a background in design because I know you sort of I went to art school and then fashion school and then weather school she's a weather girl if you guys seriously during the tornado watches here she's the one who tells everyone who needs to hunker down yeah so I started out in fine art which was my passion I love it um crafting creative and I went to fashion school just to get my degree and be done because I was ready to be a mom and stay home and do those things and a little while after my kids were in school I was like you know I always really wanted to do weather and I didn't think like I wasn't an academic person and I didn't think I had the math brain that was required but Penn State has this online program I was like well you know I can't really tell my kids like you can do anything if I don't try and do something that I really want to do so I went back and did weather that's amazing she's she's literally like our forecaster should be like guys gonna be a big storm bring stuff in like you know she's telling us all the different things going on I need to be beautiful every day Jamie it's gonna rain today watch out I feel like John's really into weather too so long not a long story but our old president used to be for the titans used to be a major major weather person he would send out mass emails and John still gets them to this day of if there is tornadoes coming or so John's like all right Steve what's happening that's a good thing to know when you're running a football program though especially with the open stadium right right yeah totally that's why they're gonna put that dome on top of well we were out to dinner and we were like had a couple glasses of wine and John texted and was like all right there's a storm coming you guys need to come home so true and we both left we left because we obey rules we obey rules and it didn't rain we don't obey rules but we do obey John we obey John John speaks yes we we do what he says the last one I I happened to be gone for the since we've lived in Nashville I've been gone for all the tornado anytime siren's gone off I've missed it which thank god because I think I would freak out I literally as a child grown up in New York for some reason I had terrible nightmares about tornadoes I was gone for the last one I was in New York and my husband sends me I don't know if he was teasing me or I don't know he sent me the audio of just the sirens going off and I was like are you in my closet like you better get in my closet it's like the only safe place the only place without a window like you better get in my closet now bring some snacks like charge everything and helmets like yeah oh yeah that's right I will make you a prepared that's okay I need that help but that is like a new thing I was like that's so smart I didn't think of that but people do that oh my gosh but yeah so I was like you have the helmets are hung in it are you serious really oh girl why didn't I know that we were yeah I'm a doomsday prepper but like not like that see I'm not I'm like tornado all right everybody put your helmet on get in the closet I'm more ready for the zombie apocalypse like I'm looking at neighbors like who has the chicken coop and who's got bees I can take the honey and where's an apple tree I can pick front you know like oh my god you're I didn't know you had the closet look at you I mean when you learn about weather you know about how devastating it can be well that reminds so football related um Wesley Britt um was a was a paid he played for Alabama and then he was a patriot and uh he married a really good friend of my husband's growing up um Katie Britt who's running for senate in Alabama she they um they were in the middle of the Tuscaloosa tornado years ago and their whole house collapsed on them he threw the kids in the bathtub I think he put a mattress on his back and they all got in the bathtub and he the house collapsed on them and he held it up on his back because he's a offensive lineman yeah he I mean that house like fell on them and he saved everyone's life oh my gosh crazy I've got chills it's scary it's totally crazy that whole Tuscaloosa all those tornadoes down there I mean my husband's high school and enterprise Alabama was destroyed many years ago yeah it's terrifying so it does scare me but it's like such a pin point yeah but that is such a well in Tuscaloosa you know you're gonna get tornadoes like that's just geographically how it works and Nashville we're not very prone to them Murphy's bro has a geography that it is more prone I would say than but we've had a couple really bad ones we had took the same a couple years ago didn't it the one that you're here yeah and but I mean we're talking like decades apart yeah yeah yeah yeah well to bring it back to a lighter note since I'm from New York the one thing I can't say and one one of the few things I can't say in Nashville is Murphursboro Murphursboro Murphursboro Murphursboro Murphursboro it is a weird word Murphursboro I can't anyways we got here because of the studio and anyways did I mention I'm ADHD but she thinks I am too which might be you just 100% that makes very good podcast we just have the studio yeah that came out she sent me around a picture she was like can you make it look like this sort of and I was like yes but then I didn't well I bought the chair that you liked you did colors of like she pulled color inspiration from like Clarissa explains it all my first show and then we have a bookshelf that just holds like all my little knick-knack things which I think we've got to change that up soon I think yeah that's enough to do a whole studio overhaul see she's just see ADHD she's like we're done with it throw it away it's been four seasons it has actually yeah we've done a lot of that's fine and then we're popping off a few extra like we have enough for we've just finished our fourth season but we were kind of like my little one my 10-year-old is obsessed with stranger things and I was like I feel like he needs to come on and talk about stranger that's fun yeah we're but we're kind of like not sure if it's okay for a 10-year-old to talk about how do you guys know about that absolutely yeah yeah like I love it when my kids are involved with stuff and especially with John's career and I don't know I'm always like go for it yeah well he's like he's he's a little it doesn't freak him out it does freak him out a little bit just like late at night if he gets a little emotional but uh but he loves stranger things and he loves the the creativity of it I mean he was 11 for Halloween and I had to be Eddie and but he also wanted to be Vecna but that was I don't know putting a mask on him was like too simple I wanted to do something more fun with the blood and the transistors on his head and so we shave his head to make him bloody yeah yeah he was obsessed with the blood around his eyes and stuff so um he looked great though he's a little horror kid I don't know what to say like I think it's cool creative juices I would do anything they're I agree and he's excited about it because there was one day when I was we were going to the podcast studio he goes what are you gonna do today mama I was like going on the podcast he goes well what about me I mean are you even you know you told me I was gonna be the stranger things expert like what happened to that so yours you do a weekly yours are weekly right so each season's 10 episodes yeah we do about 10 but then sometimes we'll scatter in some specials like a harry potter or a queen elizabeth just died or the stranger things one is a special one and like a christmas one here and there so one thing I like a lot is that you and kind of involve your audience you know you're like okay watch the first episode of this or like that's very different for a podcast a little homework yeah I love it but I think that's cool because you feel a part of it yeah you know like I totally watched the first season of Clarissa today I haven't seen that in it's so good it's probably since the last time I saw it it was you know I need to watch it well it's finally back the thing is for all these years what I mean it's been like 30 yeah there yeah 30 exactly 30 years and well more than 30 years but it's now on paramount plus I think and you just couldn't find it before because it wasn't put on dvd or time vhs yeah it was like a few episodes were released but it was very hard to find every once in a while at a comic con or something I'll sign like a vhs of it or but there were only like maybe 10 episodes were put out but they were 65 or 66 so um you know they they just they were going to be gone until the streaming services came out and now they're able to be back awesome so that's kind of cool and even Sabrina Sabrina was tough because my mom and I produced the show and she she made all the big decisions executive wise and she got big artists to be a part of that soundtrack but in order to get the music for a cheap price she it could only be aired a few times on television so once it went to like reruns too many times or it had to be put on um video the music had to be all replaced which is very expensive then they had to compose original music or find like cheap stock stuff and lay it in so it took years our show ended in 2003 and it came out that's when everyone was just starting to do like um dvd sets okay and they couldn't do a dvd set until like 2007 or something oh wow I never even thought about that I know that's crazy all that technology changes all your contracts are set in like a different era yeah when it airs on something like a streamer and you didn't sign a contract for that like yeah you get paid not for Clarissa but that's sting wow yeah for Sabrina yeah I haven't gotten paid on Clarissa a day since the last time I filmed there which was the end of 1993 so now that show wow was I mean it was a cable contract cable was brand new yeah it was uh it was Nickelodeon it was Orlando which was a um uh there were no child protection laws down there which is why they opened the studio down there that's crazy yeah so oh um so there was a lot going on with that with that contract and like just experimental kind of stuff and then all of a sudden the show became a hit cable became a thing and you know and and we learned but yeah but that was the kind of like here's what you're gonna get paid for this show and then you're done whereas everything else is done in residuals and and now video on demand you know all that um all different contracts it's gotten it's gotten sophisticated finally yeah well and something I learned in researching is that your mom actually like found the Archie comic Sabrina and then like came up with that idea and I just thought like I think it's a story you have to tell because it how cool yeah your mom's awesome and most people don't know that right my mom everyone always just thinks she was like the original momager but she was actually an executive like she was a casting director she was a manager and then she was a casting director and then she was trying to find something for me after Clarissa ended because she was managing my career but she was seeing the things that were coming to me the projects that were coming to me and she didn't like the the choices I was getting and so she um someone handed her a comic book on a playground it was like this would be a great project for Melissa and so they um she brought that to our contact of Viacom who was doing Clarissa and they were like well we'll sell this to Showtime as a movie and so as we were shooting the movie in Vancouver that was the one with Ryan Reynolds our first Sabrina one um she the whole time was saying this would be a great series this would be a great series and people were like okay okay just give us the movie just get us the movie and so when she went in the editing room to edit the the movie she cut together a trailer for a series and then she brought it out to LA and pitched it to five networks and got three offers in the room which like doesn't happen yeah and so then and she the whole time I remember her going I'm going to LA I'm gonna go pitch this Sabrina series I'm like good luck you know what do we what do we really know about television industry I mean other than me auditioning and she went out there she got all these offers and with ABC gave her not only an offer for 13 episodes they gave her a time slot which was TGIF and she knew that that was good yeah so she was like let's do that so we moved to LA and we did a series for seven years that's incredible so Sabrina was on TGIF or Clarissa Sabrina Clarissa was already over at this point yeah yeah I was telling them like whenever I knew you were coming I was like I want to see the the dates and the timelines because another thing I was laughing at one of your podcasts whenever y'all were talking and you were saying I just don't remember anything well that's how I felt I felt almost guilty because I'm like I know I watched Clarissa and I know I watched a little bit of Sabrina but I don't remember anything and it was it was like when Clarissa was right whenever I was graduating high school and then after that I was so worried about fine you I was and and I had a little black on my TV that didn't have cable so I yeah it was no that was I mean Clarissa was basically my high school that's how I remember years like I graduated high school when Clarissa was over and then Sabrina was basically my college years it was well 20 to 27 and then 27s when I got married so it was like oh wow before marriage after you know so then after marriage came Melissa and Joey and actually that was after my second son was born so I know that was like 2009 and then and then No Good Nick was 2018 which I don't know why but that date will probably always stay with me just a nice round number yeah 18's a lucky number for me so I remember that Sabrina was so like one of my favorite shows growing up and like that TGIF it was like Full House oh yeah Sabrina I don't know Family Matter something you know step by step step by step I don't know if that was on was that the same time as me? I was about to sing New Kids on the Block that's wrong well that's that is New Kids on the Block song right? Step by step oh my gosh oh baby gonna get to you girl oh my gosh we could be a girl group so good it's throwing it out there so good yeah so do y'all have a favorite episode on on your podcast? I do you do which one this one it might surprise you we have yours first before she says oh okay because that it's hard because so many of them are my friends got it's hard to pick well okay I know what you don't have to pick I would say I love to read a marina I knew you're obsessed with this woman and I know she's 90 and that's not like you know it shouldn't be a really cool episode but see a woman it is vivacious and this passionate about life and men and everything and like she's just a gem like a national treasure and I just I can't get enough of talking to her I have to ask who she is read a marina was um she's an egot she won an Emmy Grammy Oscar Tony okay peabody presidential medal of freedom or no uh presidential medal of honor no it's the um Kennedy center on her right it's some presidential thing I don't know I don't know but she I mean she's won numerous awards but she was best known for West Side Story dated Ellen Brando for 10 years tried to make him jealous with Elvis it's oh I mean just to talk to this woman her stories are like old Hollywood she did um the electric company which was probably okay it was like a kid show like pre she loves her electric company days yeah I mean she's just it's just amazing to talk to a 90 year old and just kind of you know get the not the wisdom that she has like hear about it and her life and how she's just thrived and another one is actually like another one that I think is really fun is like Tim Mahoney from 311 that was a good player that's a fun one because it's someone we were like is you know he's a friend of mine and he's coming to town and he's willing to do it but he's kind of shy and he's a guitar player that nobody really hears from from a band that's been around forever but like has a very specific fan base but he's just so fascinating and nobody ever hears from him and to get an hour with him was kind of exciting and fun and then and then the fan base came out for it man they loved it oh that's cool all right what's your okay I have probably two favorites okay okay um the big show call white oh yeah so funny oh my gosh he was amazing to have like a seven foot two guy talk about his cats and um handmade tail is is why I'm gonna listen to that one it's so good he's so funny he it was just so unexpected I mean I knew him from wrestling my husband and son are really into that and so I that's what I knew him from and I'd watch to sit calm so I expected this kind of big burly guy to come in and talk wrestling and now he sits down and he is like in this immaculately tailored outfit and barely fits on our sofa barely fits in the studio is he really seven two he's huge yeah something like that I mean maybe he's full foot taller than me ginormous yes I was like um like I was like I looked like a baby on this set um so I I loved his episode go and definitely watch that one I you can listen to it but it doesn't have the same effect but he's he comes across as very sophisticated and elegant I texted him how I was like what do you want to talk about like what are you binging is like oh we got to talk about handmade tail I'm like okay but he's also really into Dungeons and Dragons plays with like Vince Vaughn and like so he's talking all about his D&D and like I'm very serious about it and all 13 cats and we're like 13 cats y'all are you serious in the house they have their own room from what I understood oh my niece has a catio oh yeah this is a new thing yeah she my brother and I built her a patio for her cats when yeah she has a catio I think I just realized they just someone just built her a catio that's amazing you have a cat room closet closet that holds their litter boxes she's put like a little door and they yeah it's amazing this is the creative side coming out her house is like the inside of her brain like her the inside of her brain is so fun and like she's made her house that it's it's weird oh that's cool I like it yeah no it's great okay what's your second okay Kathy Lee oh mostly because my entire life I wanted to meet her oh no I have a third one too oh which one okay Kathy Lee she talk about like a woman who is confident and entertaining I bet you would be fun if you ask Kathy Lee what her favorite anything it is her it's her she loves her and she loves her work and her wine and her wine Kathy Jesus and wine and she's amazing like that like she actually has that confidence and faith in her own not only her faith but like her her abilities her abilities and she's so proud of the work she's done and that's like that's kind of a rare thing to see I think it's funny that we both just chose like old like an like a generation above us and a man that we didn't expect to be entertaining the third well the third one is I introduced Melissa to emo music we had on chris caraba from dashboard confessional yeah I'm a huge fan and now I know I listen to it oh okay well I'm gonna open a whole new world to you I have no idea so I went through like a scene kid phase okay my teenage years some people this is like an underground world of music but I did not really I mean I heard of it of screamo music I've heard of it but I've okay so that was a thing and then along that same line was emo music which was just deeply emotional kind of not dark but simple and it was just like really highly emotional sort of like prettier melodic like prettier what we used to call like industrial like what I like I would kind of relate it a little bit to like maybe like a nine-inch nails with a nice or melodic sound like oh yeah like that's not more artistic very artistic pulling it heartstrings and so this guy chris caraba is the lead singer of dashboard confessional and again one of those like pinch me moments I don't know how I got this to happen Melissa agreed to it I had no idea I was like all right I guess we'll do that she was freaking out and her husband and people came running in the studio or like so we're we're sitting there and he's where you guys are and there's a he's playing guitar and singing to us and I am about to come out of my chair I cannot contain myself like I that's cool like almost tears in my eyes I'm singing everywhere and Melissa's like I'm like touching the piano and trying yeah she's like freaking out I'm trying to look at her but like I'm kind of like like right in his face and I'm like actually who was it that we had Mark Martel Mark Martel who's the queen he does like all the queen um uh he's basically like their tribute band that's like run by queen as he's like the freddy mercury sound okay he sounds just like famous for sounding like them and touring with being the queen like tribute guy yeah and so he was like when he picked up his guitar he's like I've never had an audience this close before like right there in his face I'm like I'm sorry I'm just gonna stare at you I'll watch your fingers so I'm not looking at your eyes is that weird okay so if I go home on my way home I get on Spotify dash more confessional dash hands down is the song hands down wait wait what's the one from the spider-man soundtrack though that's the one vindicated vindicated I love that I will listen to that song I'll like I like to play it on a loop it's emo music yes so emo emo okay yeah this is a whole world oh julie is laughing at us john's gonna be like what are you listening to I bet he is it julie you're not expecting me to go there he'll probably know the song vindicated because of spider-man okay because it was the soundtrack to see is it'll be maguire spider-man right yes okay yeah okay yeah oh my gosh okay so what surprised you guys about because I feel like we are there are a lot of similarities but like in being co-hosts and like has it changed your friendship and I kind of want to hear the nitty gritty well I just mean I mean we just get to know each other on so many levels because of we'll talk about music and we'll talk about movies and books and everything like we kind of go into all these different areas which then lead to stories about our life and well I mean we'll go for walks for hours and yeah we do this one path that's like six miles long and we'll just talk and my feet are blistered and then we get to the parking lot and we'll spend another hour and we like do you want to go to breakfast then we go to breakfast for like we'll just spend hours and hours together and then we'll go to the podcast after we walk six miles and we do and we do cinnamon roll anyone um but yeah no biscuits because we're in the south of course that's where my my uh Nashville we should go to breakfast I think I should call it my Nashville 19 like the way I put on my living here I have taught this girl how to eat I mean I mean I had no problem before but we do like enjoy our food freaking pimento cheese and the biscuits everywhere and the fried I I mean fried pickles fried everything fried yeah fried green tomatoes like I can't with the fried chicken I can't walking up here there's haddie bees downstairs I was like I smell it I know it's 9 a.m. but I smell it and I'm gonna have to have some haddie bees later there's always dinner it's coming yeah another similarity between y'all and us is so your reality tv tv your books that's us I'm booked well she's well I'm your books well I'm both I like reality this girl be like I just read uh 350 pages in the last 30 minutes I'm like that's like 30 seconds a page I literally timed myself the other day to see if I could do it it took me a minute and 20 to get through a page and I don't know what was on that page that's how I am I don't do it on purpose but yes so she's she's the reader of the reality I do read I love to read okay don't get as much time as I want because this one's reality tv she'll say did you see this and I'm like I don't even know what that is there's a new episode of love is our new season of love is blind and I'm so ready oh yeah I'm more of a bravo holic so I mean I love bravo too but I have no I never I don't know what channel bravo me either is that weird I've never even heard of this which house which housewives are you well I watch all of them but I like solid city uh we need to introduce have you watched one melissa no me neither I had two to have garcel bouvet on I think I tried to watch one or two and I was so confused I've never watched one I've never watched the Kardashian okay now now Kardashian that's where we draw the before Kanye before Kanye I was watching Kardashian oh no but you got to watch the new one the new one's good I well I just haven't had I just it's not on my radar heartbreaking I know oh my gosh really I love Chloe she's my favorite Kardashian well see I liked him here's the reason I connect with it I feel like I have to come up with an excuse for this guilty pleasure but it's because they are a big group of sisters with one brother and that's what I come from I'm the oldest of eight and there's seven sisters with one brother and so it reminded me of that they're they sort of have this faith in this really tight family bond but I think that the difference in their family and my family is once we all married that became our primary like that became our base and they all clung to each other instead of going do you not think it's because it was a show um that too absolutely and their husbands and yeah well I think that there was a lot yeah but they didn't cling to their spouses in a way that I feel like would be a healthy relationship that's true yeah like I feel like that was a that and it's probably because of the show that they had to all be together more um but I feel like yeah they didn't prioritize in the right way but anyway that's what I I like it over analyzing I'm one of three sisters so I like watching their relationship and their fights in there you know you're like okay we're normal yeah it is normal to fight we're more normal maybe yeah I like no but I I like it's funny we were my husband and I were uh doing some uh uh couples counseling the other day and uh when the counselor asked what we watch together do we watch anything together and he goes well she likes rape shows and I went excuse me oh my god he goes you know because I handmade tail I'm like that's not let's slow down that is not the classification I was like that is not how you know I'm not no I'm not even like true I wouldn't even classify true crime literally I'm like I like high concept fictional yeah but maybe borderline post apocalyptic maybe yeah like like like like a dystopian dystopian futuristic maybe like slightly futuristic like could be in our lifetime sort of but I love beautiful um scenery and camera work and lighting and and and fantastic performances but I was like but I like all that but funny yeah I'm like you do make me happy yeah yeah handmade it gets dark but it is good I the concept is crazy not as much like lifetime true crime stuff though I feel like or maybe two episodes and I couldn't go anymore him it's yeah it was too much that's where I live yeah tell me the story I think it's amazing yeah I will receive all the nuggets you want to give me but I can't watch it no you would like um have you done bad sisters on oh no but I keep meaning to so good you would love it like five sisters maybe I don't read I'm just kidding I do I only read business books though I don't read I don't read fiction um but yeah it's like five sisters that one of the brother in law sucks and so they like maybe murder him we don't know yet yeah he gets I know he dies and then they're all suspects or something yeah like yeah it looks really good because it's funny and dark and it's irish like they're in Ireland so it reminds me of uh oh what's his name Ricky Gervais show um oh yes um where his wife passes yeah it's just like dark humor yes it's funny that like makes you happy even though it's well the great is kind of like that like I love I love the great that's one of my all-time favorites oh my gosh it's so good and he's fanning and Nicholas Holtz yes and so many people I think uh what's her names in it um who's playing Margaret Thatcher and it's just a fantastic cast it's gorgeous costumes it's ridiculously funny and I love that it's based in like a historical fiction because it's about Catherine the Great so I love that like I feel like I'm getting a little bit of history with my entertainment but it's not real it's dirty humor no it's not but it follows along the guidelines like if you needed to know just a little bit about Catherine the Great and how she came to power wait I think I did see this it's really funny I think I actually did see this oh was it was it was it risky oh it's oh yeah okay I've seen it I've seen it I got a little uncomfortable to you no my gosh well it's all that British humor too where they use language that we're not necessarily comfortable with like you know I don't know can we spell out words here no let's just we know we got it I can think of the words I can think of a few anything that starts at the sea yes all the private parts that start with sea just go with that well so back to sort of like your career Melissa how did you get into directing and producing and all that like when did that happen well around the time of Sabrina because we were basically at the helm of that show and my mom did the business stuff and I was more involved creatively um I enjoyed the producing aspect because I wasn't an actor for hire and I was able to have a real weighty say in what happens with my character and that's really where I left it like with Sabrina I left it with where my character lives I didn't expand that to other people's characters or other story lines or general arcs of of where the seasons would go and whatnot I left that to the writers because they knew what they were doing and um but my mom was in charge of like the casting the music the wardrobe the editing um and so she was and and the handleings the day-to-day handleings with the network um so and what the you know requirements were for them and how to deal with all the sort of politics of it so I got an education on the set of Sabrina as far as being a producer in a in a more creative way but also kind of stayed hands off with that for the most part but if I had something to say people would listen which was nice because all those other years I mean they'd listen maybe if I was like I don't think my character would say then they would maybe shift things but it didn't always get received well and so it was with that that I started to learn I don't want to go back to being the person that has to do what everyone tells me to I like having a say and uh and then with directing I guess I was just really really bossy I mean you never but I uh I mean it really goes back to Clarissa days too where I there was so much for some reason there was so much downtime on that set I got really bored between takes and I started messing around with all the equipment and talking to the crew and hanging you know because those are my friends like there were the two boys on the show with me but I wasn't hanging out with them but I'd rather go hang out with the 23 year old guys at the lighting board you know so I was hanging out with the lighting guys and the camera guys and the boom operators and so I was learning all the equipment and and just the language the language of filmmaking is so it's so specific and so being around all that and and picking all that up but I'd also done a ton of Broadway so I just had like this vast scope of of experience and never went to film school now I wish I had but at the time I was like absolutely not I've done this my whole life I don't want to go it's never too late there we go weather woman did I not take a course last year I went back to school last year I went to screenwriting course because I was like I have never so I went to Belmont and took a course Kimberly Williams Paisley and I went and took a course on screenwriting so it was really fun and now I need to get back to that but um but I but I still don't understand like there's a lot I don't understand about camera lenses and lighting and that kind of thing filters and whatnot I mean we're all learning a little bit from Instagram and tiktok but um I want to go like really learn that stuff especially now that I'm directing so on the set of Sabrina I had the opportunity to direct because my mom was executive executive producer she was like you know what we're gonna we're gonna get you a dga card and you're gonna direct the next episode so I just got thrown into the wolves and there's nothing better than directing and it's funny because like Candice Cameron Beret and a bunch of other people actually even like Annie Potts have come to me and said you know I I want a direct one but what do I do and I was like you'll do it and then you'll realize I should have been doing this my whole life and Candice literally came to me and said that's exactly what happened like I should have been doing I I have been doing this my whole life just not officially and so uh you know it just sort of when you know the crew and you're in that safe space of like you know everyone's names you know everyone's jobs you know the positions you know the characters you've been there since the beginning there's no better place to start directing than your own show yeah because you're just in a safe space and you can't mess it up because they won't let you and um and so that's how I started to learn I was in front of the camera and behind the camera which was really difficult because I'm literally trying to set shots while I'm getting my makeup and hair done and trying to change an outfit and you know so it takes a little time and I couldn't watch the the scenes happen I can watch the performances firsthand but I can't go back and look at what's going on the camera so I would uh just have to trust each camera operator like did you get it did you get it did you get it no okay we need to take one more take you know and I kind of feel like I learned at a good time too because it was still we were still rolling film it wasn't tape it wasn't this like these tiny little cameras and these tiny little cards we could say things like check the gate which doesn't even exist anymore which was like checking the to look in the camera to make sure there's no dust in the film itself we still say it sometimes as a joke just saying like make sure check the card make sure we got that on you know yeah that we actually recorded it there's just I learned like old school technology and old school um like language yeah and so it was super fun and so I just I love directing I got very few opportunities as a female and um somebody in front of the camera to do that it wasn't until I started building it into my own contracts I said I'll do that movie but I'm gonna direct the next one or let's go that's awesome that's everything so then I started directing more and more and about 2018 is when my directing career really kind of took off and now now I have like four movies I'm supposed to direct this year so that's awesome yeah so it's working so closely with your mother there have been tough times for sure because it's you know there's a little conflict of interest but at the same time who do you trust more than your mom right like right I know she's not somebody that's going to try to screw me over I know also that my mom is not one of those moms that wants what I like she's never pushed me into this because she wanted to do it right you know there's not that like living vicariously yeah it's very much you know you've met her I mean she's she's just wants the best for her daughter and you know and all of her kids and and she is just a supportive mom and she knows the business I mean she's getting a beat to the point where I think she wants to retire because now she's sort of like ah you do it you know like no I don't know those people you have to help me she wants to go gallivant and see your grandparent she's a world traveler and she's in Paris right now and she's you know she was at Octoberfest and she's at this and she's at that like she literally travels the world and then comes around to do some movies here and there but um she's fantastic and she's my role model and you know but there have been tough years in there where you know you grow up and you realize your parents are flawed and that kind of thing but but honestly when at the end of the day who do you trust more than your mom right yeah so to look out for you and have your back and you can fight with them on makeup like two days later nobody fights better than them honestly they're they're so honest with each other it's kind of crazy to watch I'm like oh you talked to your mom like that but she'll come right back at her and then the next day you're like are you all okay and you're like yeah we don't nothing we don't hold it that's the thing we like let it all out last night and we're we're good yeah I'll get so mad at her like on text to him like oh my god I need a break you know and then I'm like love you see you later yeah that's awesome so you're directing four movies this year within the next year yeah hopefully if they all work out they're all at different stages yeah do you so you travel and have to be away for a few months or how does that look like well it's so funny because we originally left LA because in like 2008 and nine I worked in Atlanta and Baton Rouge and Vancouver and like I had shot movies in Rome in Australia and I was like we don't need to be in LA unless I'm doing a series in LA we don't need to be in LA there's no reason to be here we're working everywhere else so I might as well live where I want to live and then travel out for work and as soon as we moved to Connecticut in 2009 I got the show Melissa and Joey and ended up five years in LA but we were I was traveling back and forth in the beginning then I had my third son and decided to take the family with me so that was tricky but um I just totally went ADD what was the original question um just when you direct movies like how how often do you have to be there for oh yeah so like the time I mean the thing is I was directing a lot in LA the last few years but then I've been trying to bring projects to Nashville I've worked with the Tennessee Film Commission and been scouting out locations and we've shot two movies here so far it doesn't look like any of the ones coming up will probably fit for Nashville one calls for snow one is gonna be Canadian um so it depends on where the tax credits are so we're trying to bring better tax credits to Tennessee so I can work from home yeah should be really nice but um but like as long as it's not Vancouver I like I would love to do something in Atlanta yeah like three hour drive let's shoot something my sister-in-law is shooting something in Louisville right now I'd love to do that like yeah Memphis like I just want to be like within a three hour drive yeah so I can just come home in the weekends but on average you're gone like if you're doing a movie you're gone for like two weeks to a month it depends if I'm acting in it like I did a movie called dirty little secret last year for lifetime that was two weeks so that was brilliant that was a perfect time to be away but I do like like I have to say hashtag blast like I feel like I get the best of both worlds when I if I go away and I work I'm in a hotel room it is all about I don't have to clean up anything I don't have to you know shift things around I can focus on work and if I'm in LA I can see friends I can go to meetings I can show up at red carpets I can do all the things I need to do and then I come home and that's it I've done my thing and I am now home I am now here I you like I will go to every you know Cub Scout meeting and I'll be there for every game and practice and driving them to and from school and whatnot so you know I feel like I get to be both full-time mom and full-time work so it's so nice kind of nice do people respect you as far as this is Melissa Nashville mom not Melissa celebrity I think so that's good yeah very much so um I mean your existence here is Nashville mom like yeah our whole friend group we're we all I'm either with like the football moms the high school age or the or the Tucker they lower school we call the lower school group and like so we sort of have I yeah I mean my friend groups are related to my kids basically so in that way it's like I just went right into that that's good she was right at the table with her hoodie and her scrunchie came with all the rest of us so how often are you going for big roles anymore um I I actually just auditioned for a big movie I haven't auditioned in a really long time there's a weird thing that happens when you have success in this industry but you're not Thunder Bullock um where you're whether it's your representatives or the casting people and people in LA they of course pigeonhole you into you know kind of stereotype you into a certain role that they think you comply or thing you can pull off or thing you're known for and that can both hurt and help like I did just recently auditioned for a TV show where I would play the mom of a witch so that you know would obviously suit me but it feels a little too much like a reboot but not being a reboot yeah so but the thing is also I feel like sometimes representatives tell people tell acting directors they're not going to read you have to offer and they're not often going to do that with someone they don't know for that role you know so I also just recently auditioned for the uh like crazy annoying cruise director of a cruise ship so like I know but those are like the first two auditions I've had in like a year really so um most of the time I have to create my own opportunities like you get to a certain level of success where if you don't create your own opportunities and you don't try to break out of the shell that you're already even though I've played four different three different title characters four different tv shows numerous movies and whatnot I still have to kind of break myself out and and find my own jobs and create my own opportunities whether it's directing you know finding a great script and then finding a financier to come in and put it together as an independent or find a studio or I'm pitching a talk show like there's so many different um ways I try to throw everything against the wall but then I also feel scattered so yeah it's tough that's hard do you still get nervous oh yeah I actually was doing this audition the other day and I really didn't even really want the part so when I was done I went and talked to my husband he's like are you all right I'm like I am just vibrating I just calm down oh my gosh now before we end because it we're getting late we have to talk about willa fortune and what that was like and I just realized that was just over a year ago I can't believe it was that long I want to know what your foundation or not your foundation the non-profit like how did they respond to you winning a million dollars which is well Memphis um it's it's youth villages and I partnered with them because I started a kids clothing line a few years back called king of hearts and I wanted it to have a charitable aspect so for every I don't know what it was 25 pairs of jeans people bought we donate one to youth villages something like that right so we were kind of offsetting things wanting to give back and donate and I worked with a kind of a head hunter for charities I worked with this woman who knew all the charities and I said this is what I want it has to be children related it has to be us-based it has to be you know so I found youth villages and I think as of today they're in like 30 something states so they're still not across they're still reaching for all 50 states but um they help children in every they help families really in every aspect whether it's um children in foster care adoption um helping families stay together um children that might be falling behind in certain ways but mainly what the youth what the section is that I did I think it's a called life set and it's helping children that are aging out of the foster care system have somewhere have something somewhere to go and rely on they don't have a family to go home for the holidays or to help them figure out how to navigate college or you know whether they should join the military or you know so youth villages really does that and that's what the money I won I won a million oh my gosh I can't remember one million forty thousand six hundred something like that um yeah so it was the most ever won on Wheel of Fortune which I didn't know until way after that is really I knew it was the first celebrity million and I think only the fourth million ever won on Wheel of Fortune but it was the most ever I believe and that's half the secret you've ever kept I know I can't believe well I sort of kept it but like I would like run my mouth to like a few people and then be like no don't tell anybody and then a few months later I tell a few because it had to wait six months oh gosh that was hard especially with the charity because they were like I just kept saying I'm going to play for you guys so everyone gets thirty thousand for their charity so I knew they were getting thirty thousand yeah but if I could get anything over that I was like wouldn't it be great to say I'm coming back with a hundred thousand dollars and then I was like oh but let's aim a little higher what do I I really want four hundred thousand for them and then it ended up being a million forty thousand I was like oh my gosh it's amazing and when I called them I said um let's just say it was epic that's all I could say I don't know what to say but then when it got closer I was like I want to do a viewing with you guys and I'm like oh come out to Memphis and we'll do a viewing but I would happen to be in LA working at the time so I was like all right we'll do a live Instagram or whatever when it happens and they had a huge party and I mean I think some of the wives of the were drunk calling me going I can't believe it this is amazing I was like it was so cute and then I got to go I went to the headquarters here in Nashville and celebrated with some of the life set students and we sat around the lunch and table and everyone explained their situation growing up and where they are now in life and that they helped them learn how to do taxes or pay off a car or buy a house and like that's what life set does and Youth Villages is really really incredible and uh Stephen Tyler works with them with his fund Janie's fund which is to get um kids out of sex trafficking so a lot of important work they do and I really support them and everything I I do I love that that's incredible I know and whenever I saw it I was like is it staged until I read that it it's the most oh yeah no and it's crazy because the whole time I'm like did I actually do this did they give me this all that practice on your phone I did I practice on the app like a lot is it as fun as what it looks it's intense is it it happens so quick those puzzles I don't know if you're like the first puzzle we did and Lacey Shabaret is a really good friend of mine so it was tough to fight with her because she's a huge fan of that show her daughter watch it every day but she is the sweetest thing and her big sister Wendy who passed away almost a year ago now she was a really good friend of mine and so Lacey is much younger than me she's like your age I think and she grew up with my sister and went on a date with my brother and so I've known her family forever and to know that they were big fans of the show I was like I can't like I felt so good she was the one that told me she goes this is a huge deal you want a million dollars I'm like really she's like no one's done that I was like what so she I just adore her and so it was hard for me to like compete with her yeah but that first puzzle man she got it like that it said something about it was a show biz reference and it was lights camera action I so did not see it she went lights camera action I was like I mean it was probably 30 seconds and she solved it I'm done I'm never winning this yeah and you're like wondering about the spin and you're waiting to see if you land on something but you're also trying to think about the letter you gotta pick and what the words so do you look here do you look here and then by the time because they're looking you know the other people are looking at the puzzle and I'm looking to see if I'm going bankrupt and you know so it's like that's a lot it's a lot and they the the wheel is very very heavy but they do have a person there I forget the name but it's like a rules person that's like a game show watcher they're like they're to make sure nothing's rigged they're there to make sure the wheel isn't weighted and there's no one nobody messes with any of the results and like things aren't switched and whatnot so um yeah because I was like the whole time I'm like did they did I did I actually yeah wait a second hold on but the more I think about it the more I'm like no I mean I had to really did it I had to pick the category I had to so they didn't really know what category I was gonna pick right I mean then unless they were watching me play the app and they know I like the foods app the food category best um but yeah and then I just happened to pick like letters at the end that were my initials strangely I think because I picked an M and I think that's the reason why I got brand muffin that's so good I picked an app which I don't usually pick an M when I'm playing the app so it was meant to happen to pick an M and there it was and it helped me so I don't think I could have solved it without it it's a game show miracle it is okay one thing before we end is I thought I we I learned about it on your guys's podcast but the bible on the tv shows I just think is so interesting I had thought that too because yeah you always wonder how do they keep track of everything can you talk about it just for a second yeah I you know what's funny I've never so it's not a bible bible people just so you know it's not like you know it's not yeah spirit spoken every show is supposed to have and nowadays especially because of streamers you're supposed to hand in like a first or in second script and a bible to know what the arc of the show is going to be and where the rules are and what the what the whole overlying kind of themes are going to be so like something on Sabrina would be like oh she was her 16th birthday is on I don't even know if this is right but I think it's on Halloween so it's her 16th birthday she's addicted to pancakes like you keep track of all the things that have to which they didn't put in the bible in the beginning because I think she has pancakes on her 16th birthday but but then weeks later we say that she's addicted to pancakes and then we say that this so all these things are kind of kept in record and it's funny because I'll watch shows and I'll be like that didn't hold up yeah oh hocus pocus to really bothered me because I think in hocus pocus one they said that um satan yeah not really oh like satan was there her she goes when satan handed her the book right when um book came to uh winifred and then in the second when I was like waiting for satan to hand her the book but it's not it was uh the actress from um from ted lasso ted lasso the gorgeous gorgeous actress boss lady oh hannah what's her name yeah feather sheet and i don't know i don't know why waddington and maybe maybe since it was a second they were like nothing you know doesn't have to be like I just watched the first one in the next night watched the second one I was like they lied about the satan thing but anyway so I just found it unless she's satan who knows maybe but I just like I like the that shows should keep to this certain these rules and these um overlying arcs of storylines and characters totally it's a lot to keep up with it is well I'm watching 24 right now for the first time ever and I just finished lost I took all year to watch lost yeah I tried to warn her oh yeah lost was disappointing at the end I should have ended in season four but like but I feel like there they really could have used I feel like they went off the bible like they didn't stick to their bible they moved off to you know and they had these alternate realities happening I don't think they had a bible from the beginning that probably would have helped maybe the first season maybe but then they kind of like threw it away or burned it maybe it got lost it's probably harder too because we do binge you know like back to back to back seasons and you that's not that's not the way they were yeah you know it's like you probably wouldn't remember that if you hadn't just seen the first season like that's really true you know it's very true however like with something like 24 I don't know how people kept up with it because I'm watching it night after night waiting week after week I right now I'm on episode like 18 of season one I wouldn't remember yeah that I did watch that one previously on previously but I feel like I'm watching those and they're not that helpful yeah but you know what I watch here's so I don't know if this is what a lot of people do but like something I do is with previously previously on if you if you see something that seems like it wasn't a big story point at the time but previously on you know that that storyline oh totally gonna be there's gonna be a piece there so I always love watching that stuff for just like what's this episode gonna be focused which characters or who's coming back or you know that kind of thing that's why I like the ones for only murders oh yeah because it's always like oh wait that was a thing oh yeah well I'm a little I mean you guys probably know if you've watched 24 but they keep saying he gives the little overview at the beginning instead of kind of previously on he goes he tells about the worst day of his life that 24 hours but he says even the people I'm working against I can't trust in the show picture of Nina and I'm like I feel like at the end she might come back and be the bad guy but I don't know I haven't seen that in so long I haven't even I like I have no I used to watch it in college when we were all hungover we get in bed and watch like eight hours of it that'd be rough to watch from over I don't know I think that's a tough one the the Kardashians I guess but we're all right there with you so yeah that's a good one well thank you guys so much we know you're busy and we love your podcast you have from our fans now I really really have enjoyed it we appreciate it yes thank you so much well we hope we can have a good season for you guys next year for this year