 All right, so we talked last week with the crant stuff, right? For the personal use, right? So we'll have a form for that, we'll release it back to you for your own personal use. The tallow, we talked about that as well, we're just going to give that back to you and let yourself, there won't be a form or anything with that. It just essentially is no longer in tangible physical, you can move that. And I don't know how we have that tagged upstairs, but if it's physically tagged, we'll remove the tag and you can do what you need to do with that. The powders, we got word back late Friday from our policy folks that we're going to exercise some discretion there. So the intent from that product, for that product, right, was essentially for supplements, non-tank supplements. We're going to allow you to do that, non-tank supplements. Any idea how long it would take you to go through that inventory, the covered inventory estimate? You're saying you want me to basically get rid of it as quickly as possible? No, no, I'm just looking for an estimate. You know, six months, eight months, a year, like what's... It's supposed to be done and I was actually doing a liquidation because it wasn't doing so well. So I was trying to get rid of most of the product within two months. Okay, that's fine. We're not going to hold you too... Like, you know what I mean? It's not like, yeah, you only have two months to get rid of it. Well, those suppliers don't seem interested in selling to me anymore anyway. So it looks like I'm going to sell all the products within about two months. Okay. And that'll be that. All right. And that's for dietary supplements only, as far as the pemkin. You know, we had talked a little bit about maybe doing a dog food pemkin or things like that, which would mean labeling. And you can label it as animal pemkin, dog pemkin, however you choose to label it with the species of the pet or just pet pemkin. You know, it should be continuous to the label. You know, it's not like... And we're just looking that it doesn't say, you know, pemkin and big lens and these tiny little letters, you know, for dogs. Yeah, no, I will make sure it says pet treat on it and very clear, not for even the consumption. And then the other side of that coin is the denaturing, in which, which, you know, for that powder, it's either you can mix charcoal into the powder or the other option I sent you the regulation on that is to mix it with bone meal or crushed bone. And there's certain specifications and things like that. And you could, I still could find crushed bone on mine. There is bone, okay. There is ground bone in the boneless peak powder right now. Does it mix, but that's more of a powder versus it actually? Well, that's, have you looked at that product? I have not. It's not really a powder. It's like, okay, clumpy. It's not really... Okay, maybe we can take a look when we're done. But I gave you the ranks on that. There's a certain size, you know, mesh and everything like that. So if you're going to make it into a pet treat or something like that, make sure you meet that criteria. So either denatured or de-characterized, you know, I give you a whole list of what we consider denatured. You know, more than likely the best option is either charcoal or the bone, the crushed bone. Yes. Beyond the pemmicking canopy for human food. Maybe I talked about that. So that's, I mean, at least good news for you there. Sure, I think there's anything else on that side. I think that's it for that. And then we can talk about the stuff from Byler. I sent you the stuff and I kind of knew you weren't going to, you know, I assume you'll be, you were disappointed with what I sent you. Well, last Friday in the conversation we had, you said, you know, you weren't so sure what they were going to say, but send me a customer list and you can probably, we can probably release it and you can probably sell it through the farm share. For a person, right. I didn't say for the farm share. Little distributed through the farm share. I wasn't sure about that. You know, yeah, you said, There's always a possibility. I wanted to get the information for you so I could, I could get it to our policy folks, our legal division, and get you an appropriate response. What I sent you is that response. You see, I assume this is the email I sent you and it kind of breaks down, you know, the custom, what we mean by custom, what's allowed as far as the customer score. So where is this, where is this information listed? You know what, can I, can I? Yeah, yeah. So, if you see, when we go off the acts, right, and you look at the federal inspection act and this is primarily meat, right? It's not ultra, it's not ultra just grain. So I'll just talk about beef and pork. Yeah. In the actors, exemptions, exemptions for custom and there's certain somewhat general guidelines in the act for customers. I just want to clarify. So the, the, this answer you gave me pertaining to private membership association, this is not officially in any sort of document. This is kind of an issue that is addressed on a, like, specific basis. By the appetite. That's my case, right. So we've never, what you're proposing, you know, is inconsistent with the acts and the regulations. Okay. So we have the acts, we have the regulations and then our policy folks gets into the nitty gritty and kind of looks at certain scenarios and say, you know, whether that's in compliance with the act or it's not. And in your case, it wasn't consistent with what we allow as far as custom. So the customer base purchased the live animal and owns it with their money. The meat is sent to me to be distributed to the members and then they pay the rest of their share. That was, now you're telling me that's not allowed. Right. And we have talked, because I was getting a little confused as the scenarios we were talking about last week. And that's why I asked you just put your writing so I can get you a solid answer. The custom, you know, and I put that all in the email. Custom is at the simplest. You go somewhere with an animal or you buy an animal from the farmer. The farmer slaughters it for you. You pay for that service of the slaughtering. You're not buying meat, right. And that is for your exclusive use, nonpaying guests, families, so on and so forth. That's not really relevant to the private members. As it's basic, right. Now policy, and there's no thing, you're not going to find it in the act that you've got more than one owner, but we do allow more than one owner and I went to the specifics on the email of an animal, you know, with four people, eight people, what have you. But you still have to have that transaction that, let's say it's eight people, they're buying a live animal. They've made a transaction for a specific animal or animals, you know, you as the agent arranged to have it slaughtered, you bring back the meat, you distribute it evenly amongst the eight, which is a little different from what you're doing. And you talk about, you know, the sausage, you know, because obviously the sausage, you start commingling. The whole animal was made at the sausage. That was how it was to be distributed. That was for the ease of distribution. Right. The shares are all, so if it's, you know, if it's a hundred dollars for share, each person is getting 10 pounds of the bulk of the, they're not ordering a specific product, they're getting a share. So they're going to get, you know, everyone's going to get the same three pounds of this, three pounds of this, three pounds of this. Right, but not all 1,500 people on that list. You know what I mean, it's in order to do that, those people would have to have purchased a specific animal. You know, through you, Frankie, not through, Frankie's free range, not through the company, you know, so on and so forth. They'd have to buy a specific animal. And then they'd get distributed. Okay. So you're saying, you're saying what I wanted to do through distributing the meat through the private membership association, where the meat has been privately owned throughout the entire period of time. That's not allowed. Because you're saying it's owned by the membership. It's owned by the people that paid. My understanding of the private membership association is people can buy into the private membership association and when they pay that fee, that can be applied to the purchase of the live animal for the customers and then they can have the meat distributed to them. Which isn't consistent with the regulations, with the act. Which says, you know, you have to, those people would have to buy that specific animal. You know, of that 1,500, let's say, the customer, let's say for simple sake, there's a hundred. You're saying instead of the members of the private membership association paying a fee allocated towards the animal, those customers have to have a specific interaction with me. I have to get all 50 people at once to pay a separate fee for the live animal when it's slaughtered. Yeah. And they don't have to pay you right there. And then, you know what I mean? It's, that's, the payment end is a little different. But yes, they have to agree to purchase that animal. So when I made a video a few months ago, before I did this, me and my customers had an agreement that we were going to get these products and people were going to purchase them. But you're saying there needs to be some sort of written record between each customer. There needs to be records, yeah. You have to, prior to slaughter. Okay. So I'm assuming your final verdict on this product is that it can be released to me for personal use. If that's what you choose, yes. Okay, so the problem I have with that is that there are, I can, I'm not naming them. I'm not going to say them, but I have them on this paper. At least four or five other businesses in the New York area that are, they're not selling shares. They're selling retail, custom, not federally inspected meat on their websites. They're not selling shares. There's four or five of them. They've made, they have way more customers than me. They've sold way more meat than me. They are not adhering to these rules by any extent. They just have, I have my customers, we agreed to purchase the live animal. We agreed to have all the sausages, whatever, all products slaughtered at that time, evenly distributed as a share. That's what we agreed upon with my customer base. These people that have been operating for longer than me, and that have been in business longer than me, have been selling retail, not federally inspected meat on their website to their customers with no, no. You're basically, I'm being, I'm way closer to these rules and these regulations than these people are, but you have not been bothering these people. You can go on their website, you can sign in, you can place an order for a steak, a ground beef, a piece of meat, whatever you want. You can order whatever you want off of these people's websites and they will bring it to you the next week. And I will say to you, if we had that information, we would act on it. What do you mean if you had that information? Everyone knows who they are. You guys have, they have had USDA inspectors at their, at their buildings. They have, most of these people have had that. And you're not, you're- I don't know, I mean you're, I don't know who you're speaking about. And I don't, if I knew who you were talking about, yeah, we could do something about that and hope to gain voluntary compliance with, with the piece of- You're saying all, you're saying all of these other businesses that have been operating for four or five years, way longer than that. I've been doing this for three years, that you haven't acted on them, but you're acting on me. When I haven't even ever sold that meat on my website, and these, I have never, that meat has never, that custom meat has never, ever been sold on my website. Not once ever. These people have been selling that meat for, I don't know, five, 10 years, and they have never had any issue. So I, look, I don't think you guys are stupid. I don't think you think I'm stupid. I, I know this is specifically targeted harassment against my business. And I know you guys are just following orders from whoever's telling you, but this is, this is not- Thank you. We came here with the state, we saw some product that we believe to be a violation. Being misbranded, we took action on it. That's why we're here. As far as these other businesses, I don't know what businesses you're talking about. If I knew, I would send people out to deal with that. I mean, I'm not here just to- You guys, you guys let companies like Butcherbox sell agrochemical feedlot meat and say it's pasture raised. You guys let these big businesses, my competitors, sell shit meat with ridiculous marketing and labeling that they think it's the same quality as my meat. You allow that type of stuff to happen. If they are misbranding product or selling misbranded product, we will deal with that. I mean, I'm telling you factually, that's if we have- You wrote the rules, what do you mean? You wrote the rules for those people to make, to sell shitty feedlot agrochemical-based, estrogenic meat. That turns boys into girls. You literally wrote the rules so they can make money. You have no problem with that, but you have a problem with this and you also have no problem with the- I know- You guys know very well. I don't think you guys are stupid. I think you know very well every single one of these businesses, I think, you know, every single one of them and what they do and you're allowing them to do it, but you're not allowing me to do it because I'm not part of the club. That's why- That's exactly what I think is happening. We enforce the rules and regulations evenly across the board. We don't give people special- That is- No, I mean I don't- We don't give people special exemptions. We don't regulate one from different. You're regulated as much as the biggest of the big. And then that- I mean- I've spoken to slaughterhouse consultants, I've spoken to USDA consultants, and every single one of them was shocked at how this procedure went initially with six police officers, the share of five inspectors. They- Every single part of this was not even close to equal treatment, okay? That's a ridiculous statement to make. Well, again, Frankie, the origination of this didn't stem from the USDA. The origination of this incident stemmed from the state. When the state attempted to come and do a visit with your business and you denied them, then the state chose to, you know, get a search warrant. The state notified us. We accompanied them as we've never been here before, and you're selling meat and poultry products that we regulate. That's how we became- Look, I- Look, I don't mean to get any of you guys. I understand you guys are just doing your job, but you're going to tell me that you're going to release me 1,700 pounds of meat for my personal use? We don't have a lot of options here. The regulations allow personal use, volunteer destruction, or we can move to seizure, right? I mean, that's kind of where we're at. We detain the products. By law, we only have 20 days to keep your products to taste. So after the 20 days, we by law have to go- What am I going to do? 1,700 pounds of product intended for my customers for personal use. That's essentially the same thing as destroying it. You do understand that, right? You do acknowledge that. What am I going to do with 1,700 pounds of product? You can give it to non-paying guests, non-paying, you know, your employees, your family, your friends. If I drove down to the middle of Manhattan tomorrow on the street and tried to give away that meat, I probably couldn't even do it. Who's going to take a frozen sausage in any weather and bring it home? You can't even give it away. And we're not saying you need to take it home today. You know, if you want to leave it here under personal use and take a little bit, little bit, little bit, whatever you've got to do as long as that product's segregated, you're not offering it for sale, you're not selling it, so on and so forth. Yeah, we're fine with that. You know, as long as you're saying, yes, I'm going to use it in my personal use. Is this the final decision on this product? The final decision, as far as what we allow for custom or the disposition. Those three options you just gave me, that's the final decision on the product. Those are your options. That's what I'm trying to relate to you. You can tell us, because it's essentially a voluntary disposition you're giving us, saying, yes, I'll use it for personal use or I'll destroy it or I'll just simply let it remain or any tension. So this goes against everything I've been told about the Private Membership Association. And it honestly sounds like, as I said, you guys are singling me out and making up rules along the way. And that's not the intent. You know, we're certainly not making up rules as we go along. I mean, you gave me information and respect you enough that I want to get you a legitimate answer on the information you provided, which I did. And as far as enforcing the rules fairly and equitably, that's what we do every day. All right. I mean, are you sure, are your sure provisors and the people at the USDA okay with knowing that you guys are going to get a lot of flak for me shutting down my business? Shutting down your business? Well, look, when I shut down my business in a few months because of harassment like this and being singled out, you guys know that people are going to know the truth about what happened. And my customers and these people don't like, they don't like government regulation. So this really specific issue where you have all of these other businesses where my customers have probably been purchasing from two, doing the exact same thing and you're saying, I can't do it. It's not really a good look. It's not. I understand that. And I get that. All I can tell you is we are enforcing the rules. So in my case of the small business, I'm guessing the amount of money I spend on USDA inspect and meet every week isn't really surmountable for them to care enough to keep me in business. Compared to the other competitors. You can buy from whoever you want. It's not as though we get the money at USDA. I'm not, this doesn't have to be explained. The people you guys are taking orders from are the same people that operate the businesses that I'm in competition with that don't want me operating my business. It's pretty simple. I understand you guys are here to follow the rules and just convey the information to me. I understand you guys are just the messengers. And I will tell you, we have about 7,500 guaranteed federal establishments, most of which are small to very small establishments. Yes, we said this last Friday. Every single one of those cocksuckers I did business with stole money and stole meat from me. Which I don't know anything about. I go to this guy that I had this custom meat at and I pay him whatever whatever your federal inspect and facilities are going to charge me, it'd be double. Would you pay $20 a pound for sausage? Because that's what I'd have to charge getting it from those guys after they steal the meat and overcharge me for it. If you want to resell product, that product needs to be USDA inspected in the past, right? I mean, it's to be said. Yes, but I mean, I'm going to say one last time, all of these companies have been selling that type of meat with less strict adherence to these rules and regulations than I was going to do. So you're saying I can't do it. They've been doing it for five years. I don't believe you're being truthful in that you would have, I think these people are in ties with whoever you're taking orders from. I've been nothing but open and honest with you that few days I've known you, right? And I understand you guys don't think I'm stupid, right? You're not stupid. Do you think I'm smart? I think you're smart. How smart do you think I am? I think you know what you're doing. I think you're a smart guy. I mean, you're in business. You've had this for three years. So are you guys free or the people you take orders from? Yeah, I know you can't talk about it. I'm not a person, and it's sort of a person in their private life. That's, I don't think... Yeah, okay. That answers my question. So I think this meeting is over. You can go tell your friends and buddies what we spoke about here and that I understand that friends don't like it when other people try to run businesses. They want everything to themselves. I understand how it is. Okay? I get it. I'll shut down in a few months. I'm done with the harassment. So whatever you guys want to release or do today, that's fine. If there's... You can go back... If you want to go back to them and talk about the meat from... Then that's okay. If you want to just release it for my personal use so I can label it and get it stored in a box that says not for sale, that's fine too. Is that what you want to do? You want that file stuff released back to you? You want a personal use? No. I would prefer if you can go back to them and get a reconsideration on that product. Because that product is what's going to determine whether I keep my business operational or not. Because it's not... I mean, I can't really take another $20,000 hit but now if I know that the USDA is going to be ordering meat from me every week for my business and scrutinizing every single thing I've been doing under the guise that you're taking orders from those people that don't want me in business, what's the point? I can be on... This time next year, I'm going to be in South Beach, Miami having fun, not dealing with this nonsense. Yeah, there's a lot of businesses that are going to lose money that I'm not spending money on, the $10,000 a week in shipping, $10,000 a month in coolers, $20,000 a week in USDA inspecting meat, but I'm going to have the biggest smile on my face when I'm done paying all of these kinds of things. Because I don't care about money, and they do, okay? And that's what I'm going to do, okay? So I've had enough of this. So as far as this position, do you want us to leave it under the tension then? Are you going to... I'm a little confused. I'm asking, are you able to get a second reconsideration on the product or that's it? No, this was it. I mean, we had enough information to make a decision. We were here to relay that decision. So you're telling me it either needs to be released to me, destroyed, or... We can leave it under the tension. So you can send someone down to destroy it? Wednesday will be day 20. Wednesday will require to file paperwork to seize the product. So when the product is seized, what do they just come in and take it? There's... They could leave it in place. There's a bunch of differences. Do they make an appointment? No, it would be U.S. Marshals. If the court okays to seize your... They'll have U.S. Marshals come and seize the product. And if I say, okay, I want you to release it to me, and then I sell it anyway... That's a separate issue. That's a criminal issue. It is. Okay. Can the meat be sold or not sold? But you guys are saying I can't send it, the shares to my customers that pay for the animal. Can they pick up the meat? That's essentially selling. So you just said... So the meat... No. So you're saying that I cannot ship the meat as distribution of the shares in the private membership association. I also cannot have people pick it up. Correct. Because they are customers. They want... They're buying meat at that point. Okay, that's fine. You can release the product. I'll label it, not for sale, and I'll keep it in some boxes. For your personal use. Use of nine... And it'll stay on the form. Yeah, only three pounds of hot dogs a day for five years. That's how long it would take. Your personal use, non-paying guests, family, friends, all non-paying. I mean, that's what we're telling you. Yeah, but you're coming into a small business and saying that I need to now give away 1,700 pounds of meat. That's not like... It's not like you just call up a few people. That's a lot of meat. I would have to literally... It would literally be a full-time job for like a week or two for me to get rid of that meat, even just giving it away. You think people take meat from strangers on the street? I don't. But we don't have any other option. I mean, the personal use is... It's your product. You've purchased it. You own the animals. We're trying to do the right thing and let you use that product for your personal use. That's where we're at. So what's the reason you don't harass these other people that are selling non-fairly inspected meat on retail? You just don't know where their base is, where their location is? We do that every day, all day. If we talk specific scenarios or specific customers, companies, specific stores, then yes, we will follow up. We follow up on complaints every day, especially... All right, I've heard enough. I don't want to get any more upset. So we can do the paperwork to release the product, and we can wrap this up. All right.