 amendments to the agenda? No. Our first item of business is to consider whether to waive the three to eight percent penalty for late homestead filings action likely. And my memory is in light of the pandemic that we waived this last year and I think we waived it the previous year. Didn't we, Dorinda? I think last year was the first year we were in acting actually. We hadn't been doing it ever and then we made the we made the decision to do it and then at the last minute we decided not to do it because of the pandemic. I think that considering we're still in the pandemic and there's probably a little bit of time left to go here I certainly would be in favor of waiving it again this year to get this behind us. We notice any any different difference in response because there was no penalty? Well this isn't a penalty for paying taxes late. This is a penalty for people not filing their their HS 122 on time. I understand and I think there's no reason pandemic or no pandemic. I really don't see a reason why people can't file their taxes on time. Yeah, that's my take on it. It's you know one way or the other they they should be their home. Yeah, more time if anything to file them. And the tax filing deadline was extended anyway. So I'm assuming this was extended along with that. Yes. Yeah. The other issue in this is what happens and correct me if I'm I'm wrong about this to render but what happens is if they don't file they get they get the lower tax rate. Correct. That's correct. And then if they if we chase them and then they file then there's a fair amount of accounting and folder all to put it back the way it's supposed to be. So there is I don't know how many how many light filers that we have to render, you know, I don't know the number but I do know there is people who do not file their HS 122s. Yeah, they do it to say because they know they're going to pay less taxes. And we don't have any ability to chase them, right? This is all within the state. Well, it's it's up to my understanding. It's up to the state. They're the only ones that can enforce that. But what would happen is if it comes out that they filed it late for whatever reason, I believe we can notify the state and then what action the state takes from there. But what would happen is when we get the late notice from because we continue to get these updates, you know, for the next several months, which means we have to send out new tax bills. Right. So that's when we assess the penalty or could assess the penalty. Yeah. Well, we would have no way. I mean, this is this is I think what what put me off last year. If someone just doesn't file, not late file, but just doesn't file. They're going to get the benefit of the lower taxes and there's basically nothing we can do. We can't find them. We can't do anything, right? Nope, we can turn them in. That's all we can do. Right. So the only time the only people we find are the people who do it, but they go it late. The people who are who are deliberately avoiding it and refusing to do it, unless the state changes their posture, there's nothing we can do. So that that to me is the reason to wave it, because I think we're penalizing potentially people. But I mean, the whole thing seems backwards. If you don't, you know, if you don't file, you get the lower rate would seem to mean that if you don't file, you should automatically pay the higher rate. But because of the way, the way the taxes are calculated and I have worked hard to try and figure out how this came out to be upside down. And I can't figure out it was never the intent that it'd be upside down, but it's upside down in middle sex and in quite a number of other towns. And I really don't understand why. But the thing of it is, is if we don't implement this and say we turn the list of people that we know are residents of the town over to the state, and the state comes back and says, Yep, you know, they they are they indeed are a resident of middle sex. They would not be penalized in any way either. So right. But what's the what's the probability that the state's really going to do that? Well, it's happened. I mean, I would assume the list is could give you I don't follow the state payments where the list is the ones that get that information. But they're the ones that had said right along that, you know, we're missing the boat by not implementing this. I'm right in the middle of the road on this. It's the penalty designed to cover the administrative burden of going after, you know, and nailings and all that kind of stuff. That's what it's designed for. Because the reason for working and we can assess anywhere from three to 8%. And if I recall last year, you did 5%. And then canceled it. Yeah. Well, does it make sense to do a to do a little bite and see how it goes? Like do do the three? I don't know. Somebody who pays significant taxes, that's real money. It's not peanuts we're talking about. Right. I'll say that as a taxpayer, knowing that there are folks out there that purposely avoid filing because they get a lower tax rate. It's awful irritating. And I personally feel like, you know, the town struggles to to fund everything that we need to do anyway. So I'm all for, you know, that that penalty. And I actually think we should chase if the listeners have a list of people that they know are residents, I think that they should send it in. Yeah. What's a you, Steve? Well, I think I think we should do either three or 5%. Get a motion. I'll make a motion that we do 5% then. Second. Okay. So moved by Steve seconded by Phil. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. There we go. Prejudice report reviewing and approving the submissions for the highway emergency grant related to the May 19th 2019 storm action likely. And also other important treasure updates. So I sent you guys the summary for the what I feel we should submit, which was a lot of work put in by Steve and myself as far as trying to go back and recreate all this information. So we did make it over the $80,000 mark, which we have to do 10%. So we're only going to get 72 out of it if they approve everything. Yeah, but that's the maximum we could get, right? Yeah, I assume unless they come back and say, oh, okay, we'll give you, you know, the grant was allowed for 72%, 72,000, but I don't know if they look at total expenses or not. I don't think they do, Dorinda, I think, because in the contract for that grant, it specifically states that it's 72,000. So I might be wrong, but I think that's all we're going to get, no matter what our price. Maybe we'll get $50,000 extra COVID money. Who knows? Yeah. I appreciate all the work you put in. That was a great job. That was a bad thing to not do that. And in the new world, Dorinda, we're going to have our grant administrator keeping this stuff up, right? Well, that's a topic for discussion. Okay. Nope. Not a good time. So that's basically, that's that. No other real treasure or updates right now. And we don't need to take any action on that. No, I just wanted you guys to see it and see, I mean, I didn't send you all the backup. The big part is we now, I've got all the bills pulled and all, but I have to scan everything and then send it all in. Any update on how it's looking for the end of the year? As far as where we're going to stand. Well, we're going to be, I don't have, Mark wasn't here this week. Amy did the payroll stuff, but it's the end of the month. So we'll have a report for the next meeting where we are. But I think, I think we're going to be okay. Yeah. I know there are a lot of moving parts and they all seem to bubble to the surface in the month of June. They do. We have a couple of, we have our big school payment that still has to be done, which will be in the next payroll, next pay run there. But that'll be a nice large number. Oh, yeah. But yeah, I'll have that report to you for the next meeting. Okay. Well, thanks again for all your work on the, on the grant, both of you. That's important. Really important. Okay, then. Highway report. Victor, I think you're muted, Vic. Still muted, Victor. Yes. How's that? Better? Yeah. Very good. Very good. Thanks for reminding me. Hey, Peter, we got a meeting tomorrow morning at six o'clock. I've already set my alarm for five. Set the coffee pot for five fifteen. You're going to wear your steel mesh underwear? Hey, I don't need my steel wash underwear. I've got my, I've got my command, my command tone of voice, if heaven forbid, I need it. Hopefully I won't be able to. Okay. The signs are up in Putnamville. I don't know if anybody noticed them. I was up there today. Yes. Were they both saying 35 today? Because last week they were saying 31 way and 35 the other, but they're supposed to correct it, but they had to get a computer program to do it. Well, I wasn't paying attention. I was so glad the damn things were there. I really wasn't paying attention. I'm sorry. I just want to say that I got a really nice note from Alby born gushing appreciation, thanking for the town, all the town's efforts getting those signs up. He said he could notice the change immediately in the traffic. Well, that's good. So that's that's that up there. Um, tomorrow, well, today we were on McCulloch Hill. They moved the excavator and actually they got a lot done today. A lot of ditching all the way over to, uh, right across some fat freements field, if that means anything to you. Yeah, yeah. From, uh, from Randy Richardson's, um, tomorrow, uh, we put a note in front porch farms in that the road will be closed from roughly six to four, depending on who goes over there. I didn't know maybe some of the guys are going to take some culverts over earlier, but maybe not. But anyway, it's going to be closed tomorrow and they're going to be putting culverts, uh, replacing the culverts on, on, uh, in that same area that, uh, old class four section. Where is that big? What road? McCulloch Hill road. Okay. Yep. Killed class four section from, uh, Lee Rosenbergs to, uh, to Pat Freeman's that area. Um, they just, they finished up, uh, from route 12 in shady real, uh, they went up shady real and, um, then they, they stopped and went up, uh, ditching and cleaning up the murm and stuff on, uh, on Woods Road up to, uh, I believe it's Evans, the second place up on the left. Yep. And, uh, they're hoping to only be on the Culloch Hill road, get it all finished out in about, uh, well, three weeks. And, uh, then they're headed to, uh, Baldark road and Tangletown. Um, they want to get everything done with that ditching stuff, uh, by September 1st, because, uh, if, if everything happens the way it's supposed to, we should get that, um, paving grant. We've got, we've got notification that it's a real possibility. You know, it's a, it's a definite maybe, I guess. Right. But that sounds good. Uh, it's better than we've had for a long time. And so, so we would move, so they would move over there and, uh, get that prepped out for, uh, it won't be paved until next spring because, uh, the low bid was Hutchins and Hutchins said they had a big state job and they wouldn't be able to do it until next, uh, spring, but the price, it will stay the same. Hey, Vic, where is that paving going to take place? It's going to take on Center Road from Steve Martins all the way down to the interstate, roughly. All those possible directions. Great. Yep. And, uh, I mean, East Hill is off the, got pushed off the list this year. No, no, just, no, wait a minute. Give me time. All right, keep going. I'm a little sensitive. You're, you're paving, you're paving Martin's road right in front of his house. Perfect. Is that, come over to your house next. Yeah. Anyway, come up to my house. I'd be fine too. Okay. And then, uh, Jeff Newton and do boys there are supposed to start ditching, uh, uh, and a week or two, uh, before the 1st of July over on, um, East Hill, uh, from about where Bill pre lives, uh, where that, uh, uh, the turn goes up there to, uh, what's that kid's name there? His father used to be the judge, Demick. Was it Demick? Anyways, I don't know. Uh, anyways, from there down to Ray Hickory's, I was down through there today and, uh, it sure does need it, blind up to where to dump that stuff. And, uh, so they should be, uh, they should be in there, uh, within maybe as early as a week, but for sure, by two weeks, uh, we're just waiting for Jeff Newton to get back to us to schedule that. He does know that. You're remembering that I'd love some ditch dirt, right? Oh, yeah. You're on the list. Yeah. Do we have a price, Vic? A price for the ditch work for Peter. No, no, no, no, for Newton. For Newton. Well, you know, he said, he started out, he started out a little bit lower, but then he came back, it's 85 bucks an hour, what's 125 says two trucks would be 170 and then, uh, $125 would be 295. Okay. Well, I'll just let you guys sign off on the bills. I just didn't know if we should be monitoring pricing or what. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they're going to work nine and a half hours a day, five days a week. Um, I can send you, I can shoot you that email. And, um, if we have to use that, the hammer, uh, of course, this year, probably that comes with the operator, it's 265 bucks an hour. Oh, yeah. The hammer to take the ditch material out. And, um, better that than blasting. Yep. And, um, so, uh, then he said, which was new, uh, he said, if they did $25,000 worth of work that they would not charge us, uh, moving, demobilizing and mobilizing, mobilizing and demobilizing, which means moving and moving out, which would save us. I, I got it in the thing. I think it's 750 to move that. Yeah. Yep. So, yep. So anyway, so we do 25,000 bucks. We don't have to pay that. That may be too much information. I don't know. And, um, then, uh, we had trouble with the height that the ever, uh, ongoing issues with the, uh, Hydro Sleeter and Austin, we is, uh, fixing the pump. We're getting that all ready to go again because we're a little bit behind on, on, uh, doing the seating. And then, uh, we also have to, at some point after July 1st is, uh, get together with Fred McCullough, uh, Steve, uh, Steve wanted to, uh, point out what, what the socks were from last year to get some gravel crushed. I think we're talking 2,500 yards in or not Venice, the vicinity. And then we wanted to, uh, we're going to do some sand over there. Sand over where? Out of the town. Sorry, sorry about that, Sarah. Where were you going to put the sand? The pit, the sand is out of the town pit and we're going to put it in our stockpile over at the garage. You're going to take sand out of the pit and put it in the garage. No. They're going to have McCullough process sand. Thank you. We're going to screen the sand with McCullough, take the screen sand over to the stockpile at the town garage. Okay. For winter use. Yep. I think for that, uh, no, the graders come in, uh, second week in July, maybe date and, and, uh, Susan Clark called me up the other night and she wants to have a, uh, bandstand with the night that they have the bandstand over there Wednesday night, I believe it is. She wants to grade her out so the town people can look at it and give it a birthday party. Where it's not mine. I think that's a good idea. Yeah. You're spending your money for it. Yeah. Exactly. So that, that's about it. Anybody got any questions? No. Yeah. Randy's got a question. Yeah. That paving grant that, are they going to touch up the end of McCullough Hill down by the bridge to, to center as well? I anticipate that being done. Yeah. I think we cover, we cover everything that's back black top now. Or as we say in the trade, make it black and don't look back. And the, the other question that I have for you, Vic is, uh, while you guys are working up on McCullough, do you have a home for that ditching material or any material that's coming out of there currently? Yeah. We have one that's really, really close right in the middle there, Randy Richardson. And then, um, down, um, down in the turnaround area there, right by, uh, uh, Matt's got the, uh, it's getting some, he's got, uh, I went by there tonight, they got the screen set up there to process that stuff. Why you need some. I'd take a few if you, if you don't have homes for it all. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure, you know, whatever, you know, get it and get it. Everybody gets, uh, got to be fair about it. Yeah. Offer it to everybody. Yep. And, uh, but, but, uh, but Randy, uh, uh, when we start doing the Bermary removal at the first of September down on, uh, center road for that paving job, you could get some of that, you'd be real close. Then just put me in line for that. Whatever is the most efficient. And that's more better stuff. Cause it's all, all gravelly sandy stuff. Yeah, that's, that's fine, Victor. I'll wait till then. Okay. But I'll, uh, I'll let, I'll discuss it or I'll let Shane know tomorrow we're going to start putting Colbert's in and, uh, and, uh, see what, what he's, what he thinks. And cause we got some, uh, but the stuff that Newton takes, you'd be a little bit far away. That's going to go to Peter and, um, and, um, what's your guys name? Joe McCarty, Joe McCarty and Johnny Peaker, they're kind of right on both ends of it. Yeah, I would only, I only, if it's efficient Peter or, uh, Victor, sorry. How much are you looking for? Uh, I can lose quite a bit out there by the end of the driveway where we, uh, dumped it last year. Okay. So you, you got something that would, would tell, uh, the truck driver where to go? Yeah. Let me know ahead if you decide that you're going to start shooting something there and I'll mark it off. And what I did last year is I actually rented an excavator to bail off the material and stay ahead of them too. So depending on what you think you need to get rid of, you know, we'll, we'll figure that out. Just give me a call. We can talk about it. Okay. Very good, Randy. Yes. Sarah. So I want to write my scooter to work over the next couple of weeks. Are you guys going to be doing any grading on Molly's Supel or Brook Road or anything else like that? I need to be aware of. I don't think that we'll be grading unless it gets really bad. Okay. Really bad. What is really bad? Just, just from dust and dirt and not rain, right? Right. Okay. All right. Thanks. Just let me know. If you get bad, I'll get in the grader and run down through there for you just for you. She doesn't like the grader. She doesn't like all the loose dirt and stuff. Exactly. That's what I don't want. Okay. There's going to start putting chlorine when it rains and right after you grade that the issue is the pump that Austin is fixed in as soon as we get that fixed. We'll, we'll put some chloride in water down and it should be less dusted. Okay. I just don't want to get come be halfway from home and have big piles of dirt that I have to get around. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. We'll do our best there. Anything else for Victor or anybody? Good report, Vic. Thank you. Okay. Well, just why will you have why we have Victor queued up? I want them to have a quick, a quick discussion just to make sure I have the right understanding about the implementation of our revised personnel policy. I am meeting with the road crew tomorrow morning at six o'clock and Victor mentioned that I'm hoping to get out of there with my life. So I want to be sure I tell them the right stuff. My memory is when we discussed the new limit on carryover vacation time that we were going to implement that effective a year from this July. In other words, anybody who had extra time would have this year to use up that extra time before it disappeared. But I want to make sure everybody everybody agrees with that. I just don't think it's fair to tell them May 18th. We say that and you have to use up your time by July 1st of this year. That just doesn't fit the SNF death for me. And to clarify, it is not new limits. These are the same limits we've carried forward. Just put a date that we're going to implement enforcing the limits. Right. And now the other question you're going to get if you want to if you want to know what it I mean, can we talk about that? We have to go to executive. Now they were concerned about when they get their time, their annual leave. Don't they get so much every two weeks? They earn it every week in their paycheck. If they follow their paycheck, they'll see it accrues each week. Each week is not change each pay period. Yeah. So so it's not changed either. So none of this is new information. It's just nothing was being followed. Right. OK, so so if that person had what's what's the maximum and carry over top you had 120 hours, 20 hours, 15. Yes, 100. Yeah, 120 hours. OK, so so if a guy's got 120 hours a year from July 1st, then if he goes in and he gets what I don't know, must be six hours or something of pay period. Whatever it falls out to be, I don't have the numbers in front of me. So he would have to take that off. No, it's carry forward. So if they had 135 hours sitting on the books on June 30th, they would only be able to carry over 120. OK, right. Nobody's saying they have to use it. They just can't carry over more than that from year to year. What is Dorenda pointed out? That's what our policy has said all along. Right, right. Just we haven't enforced it. So this is this is the warning that you've got a year to get your, you know, what, together or you're going to make your time. Yeah, make sure you take it. So we are we are in agreement that it's a year from this July when the hundred and twenty goes into effect. Right. Yes. Like I said, I'm surprised that anybody is in that situation, but I could go back and look other than Sarah. But I can I mean, because normally the Highway Department has been keeping right up with their hours. Right. Well, we'll we'll see what it is. I just want to be sure. Want to be sure I give them the straight the straight pitch. And I'm willing to say we should not amend our personnel policy to say that that it will be in the minutes that that particular provision is going to be implemented effective. July one twenty twenty two. You've got that, Sarah. Yep. You need to get it for more than more than one reason, as you well know. Yeah, we're just going to have to put that forest leave. Yeah. So she's going to thank you. I just I just I truly I mean, I I understand that they're a little they're a little stirred up about this because they think we're taking something away from them. But obviously we are not. So I don't think they understand that they're getting it every week in their paycheck. They they think they're going to get like six days on their anniversary or something. No, that's that's not true. They this was all explained to him a year ago, Victor. Yeah, I know years ago. I know. We'll see how I do. If I if I shoot up a flare, come with your shotguns loaded with salt and get me out of there. OK, I'll be there anyways. OK, well, as long as you're there to back me up, Victor, I'm comfortable. OK, OK, they've never they may they may talk about me behind my back. But when I'm there, they're pretty nice to me. So that's good. Yeah, that's that's good. I'll be there. If they have a copy of the old personnel policy, they'll see where it was accrued every single week. Every single pay period. Well, they should see it on their checkstub and they should see it on their checkstubs. Right, right. It shows what they earn and what they use on every checkstub. Right. Can't get better than that. No. OK, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Victor. So we need to approve our minutes from our May 18 select board meeting. Is there a motion? So I'll make a motion. I'll second. OK, all in favor. Hi. Hi. Hi. OK, thank you. We've approved our minutes. Correspondence from the school. I can't I can't even say what all those initials mean. Are we the electric charging station of Rumney and vandalism of Rumney property on town old land. Action unlikely. So the way I I I found that letter a little confusing that we got. I mean, I understand the vandalism. That's too bad. That's the shame. It is it is what it is. But basically what it is what it sounds like to me is they're going to keep the charging station there, but they're not going to pay for the electricity. Is that the reddit? Yeah. And I think that's fine. They're not asking us to pay for it. So that's even more fun. I just hope people I just hope people use it because there's a cost to have it there. But anyway, they didn't use it when the electricity was free. So I don't know whether they're going to use it now. Who knows? What? Why is there a cost to it, Peter? Well, it's the cost. There are two costs. There's there's the cost of having the machinery there. And you know, some of it's a software maintenance fee. I don't know what at all is Victor. I mean, he outlined it in the in the original lab. You know, it isn't it isn't an inexpensive thing. But what bothered me was the fact that they made the electricity free to which doesn't make any sense. Nobody puts any free gasoline in my pickup truck. Why should there be electricity? But the convenience of having it there I I get. But Pete. Peter, though, I didn't get it. I read the letter over and over and I just thought it was. I just didn't get it. But the like I have a charging a level two charging station in my garage. Right. Once you have it, it doesn't cost anything to maintain it. And and and if it's it is a charge point. And if you want to pay for it, you just pay you just you sign up with charge point and you get your little credit card there and you just swipe your credit card and and you're paying for it. No, I I I get it, Victor. I I mean, the mumbo jumbo in not only that letter, but the previous letter was very confusing and it can't be that complicated. But somehow Washington Electric is charging them a pretty good amount just to have the thing there. I don't understand why that is. For some period of time, it was covered by a grant, so nobody was paying for it, but now they're going to have to. So I couldn't figure out why would you have to pay to get rid of it? I didn't see the decommissioning was fifteen hundred bucks. I don't get that either. Oh, they come and take the thing out and dig up the wires and dig up the concrete and who did you know who knows? You know, it's not our business. Thank God. So we don't worry about it. Wait till we wait till we decommission our our speed signs. But isn't that money coming out of my left pocket? Oh, yeah. The school school budget. My highway funds on the right. It's all the taxpayers. Let's let's not get into the school budget. We could we could chew on that school budget for the rest of the evening if we wanted to, I'm sure. Anyway, the good news is it isn't our issue. They're not asking us to pay for it. It's going to be there if somebody wants to use it. And hopefully that's a good thing, I guess, is what I'm saying. What were the cameras for? Is that because they had vandalism out back at the in the in the woods there where they have classrooms? No, I don't think so. But they have twenty hundred bucks for cameras. That's so they could watch over the people putting their charge card in. Right. I mean, that's all it was for. I mean, if you drive over and look at it, you can't even see the charge station. People park in front of it and there's trees in front of it and it's just a waste of money for. The, you know, for the municipality, really, but isn't that on our land, the town's land? That's a good question. I think that parking lot. I've always understood that that parking lot are all that the far way far end of it is on school and but I don't know exactly where the property line is. But my understanding is the property line is behind the playground and it comes down to the road on a diagonal. So what would cover most of the park? But whether that's really true or not, I don't know. I don't know. I just I mean, it tells you something when nobody's used it for three years. Right. Exactly. Exactly. So it's kind of crazy. But anyway, it's not us. And it is too bad about the vandalism. I mean, it's probably kids running around up there. Who knows? Probably. So the next item for discussion is a brief discussion of the Montpelier Volunteer Fire Department status. No action. I just I just want to again say if we are or think we are potentially marching down the road of taking over the Fire Department, we need to think about how and how and when we're going to do that. And if we're going to give the Fire Department time to get there, get their act in order or are we going to go ahead and do that, whether they get their act in order or not? I just I don't want to make really missing two of our board members tonight. So this is a bad night to talk about it. But I don't want to I don't want to lose track of the fact that we need to deal with that issue. Because that is always been a burn in my saddle that we have no control over those folks. Now, if by doing that we're going to cause more trouble and more more headache than we avoid, then it doesn't make sense to do it. But I have to believe if we do it correctly and explain to them that, you know, yes, they're going to be they're going to be under our oversight and control, but it's not like we're going to be down there managing the operation of the Fire Department on a day to day basis. At least that certainly is right. That would only be a last resort. But I just I just fundamentally and every you've all heard me say this, but I fundamentally don't think it makes sense that we provide all the money and the building and we really have no control at all. I mean, all we can do is hold the money more more to follow on that. But I want you all to be thinking about it, please. Yeah. Next slide. I'm planning for hybrid town remote meetings going forward. Consideration of another town owned Zoom account action possible. Does I use Sarah I presume? Yeah, so there are two issues at stake. One is Elias Gardner would like the budget committee to meet on Tuesdays the same time that the select board meets in preparation of keep getting the budget committee on the schedule for the for when they start merge join the select board meetings. And as a result, he asked if it would be possible since we can't run two meetings off one Zoom account, if it would be possible for the town to pay for two Zoom accounts. So there's that issue. The other issue is that with restrictions being lifted, it seems to me that the board probably would like to think about moving to in-person meetings and also consider, as Randy pointed out and other people have pointed out, you know, setting up a mechanism to go forward so that there will be Zoom meetings to at of the of the in-person meetings. We've discussed this way. What we have at our disposal right now is I'm donating a flat screen TV that can be a monitor that the board can we someone can put it on the wall for me in town hall. The board will be able to see who is to speak, who is talking. We have a laptop the Dell laptop fill that no one seems to be using. It has a camera and a microphone. I don't know how good they are, but we it also has a way of it has an HDMI port. So we could connect the HDMI port from the laptop to the monitor, the flat screen TV. That way we could have Zoom, you know, on that laptop. The other question is, you know, do you if you guys are into this, do we get a separate microphone and camera? Those are the little things. But the big issue is, when do you want to start meeting in person again? And what do you think of this hybrid idea? I think the right idea is fine. Yeah, I like that idea that hybrid meeting meeting in person. And and I know that we women's technology there, so we should be able to have a big screen or a screen there and be able to have people participate in that in the meeting through Zoom. It's exactly when I don't know, but I think it would be nice if we could start sometime this summer. So I have a I have a I have a question and I don't even know if that's possible. But if Orca is going to be there with their camera, why can't their camera also be hooked up and provide the feed for the Zoom? Because it's not live. Yeah, there's a tape. They sometimes don't post it till a week or two later. Yeah, but they're they're recording it from that camera. So I put in the I don't know. I know the concern is so here's my concern. I don't think it's going to work for us to be sitting around that table the way we have traditionally and try and Zoom because no matter where the camera is, it isn't going to show all of us. We're going to need to figure out how to sit in some kind of horseshoe configuration, which we probably can do. So the camera can can see all of us in terms of hearing us. We'll just have to experiment and see whether we need a need a remote microphone or not. But the technology, I mean, whatever we do, we've got to set it up and try it before you know, have a have a dry run experiment to make sure that the sound is the I'm not sure. I mean, just just to finish, I'm not sure the sound from a laptop is going to be enough to fill that space. Maybe it is. I just don't know. So we try it. Yes, Sarah. Elias, is there these things called owls that you put in the middle of the table and they have a camera and they have a microphone and whoever's speaking, the owl turns to the I mean, they call them owls. I don't know why. Maybe they look like owls. They cost about 700 bucks, though, and they turn toward the speaker at the at the time and and that that is connected to the laptop. So there's that possibility. I think the larger question is right now. When do you guys want to meet in person? I mean, you can we can still zoom through this. I can still zoom through my own laptop right now, you know, make sure that people are somehow part of the meeting. But when when do you want to get when do you want to meet in person, if ever? Well, I would say I mean, I'm just I'm just throwing a date out and saying and saying September 1st. OK, let other people let other people try this and see how it works. Let's not try and reinvent the wheel. This is working. People are going to be traveling and being on vacation. Doing the zoom thing through the summer makes sense to me and and plan on September 1st being ready. Model that's just my thought. I don't know how other people feel that. I think that's fine, Pierre, but the date is actually the first Tuesday of the 7th. Of September. Well, that's what I mean. The first in September. Yes. Yeah, Phil, yeah, I agree with the September one. I, you know, that the owl idea is nice. But I think that. I probably some other ways for us to do this with an external camera that has somewhat of a wide focus and at least one, maybe two external microphones that just pick up, you know, whoever is speaking. It seems to me that we should be able to do that a lot cheaper than seven hundred dollars. And I'd be glad to do a little research on that. So what what computer is that is there that nobody's using? The Dell laptop. And I think it was for I think it was Paul said he had or I don't know. It was it's been sitting in the road. It's been sitting in the highway department box for about a year. Shane doesn't have that. No. What's Shane using for a computer? I don't know. Maybe he has a doesn't have a computer up at the highway department. Yes. Well, it doesn't even in his truck, didn't we buy a new computer for him? Yes. So I think the Dell is I think the Dell is the old. That's the Chromebook. No, no, no. It's actually Dell and it has ports in it and everything. Yeah, it's a little it's it's more of a little you know, a little notebook as opposed to a Chromebook. It's you know, it's a mini laptop. Huh. I have no idea. Well, all I'm saying guys is if we're going to do this and we're potentially going to do this for town meeting as well, making a reasonable investment to have the correct equipment with the correct software. Yeah. Have it work well, I think is important. And, you know, I don't want to spend thousands of dollars, but if we need to spend a thousand dollars or maybe a little more out of our contingency fund, we have the right software. I just I just don't want to have it be a disaster because we try and save too much. Right. I think that this has I I'm excited about this because I think it's real potential that more people participate in all kinds of meetings, not just select for it. So yeah. The computer that we have the public computer. Yeah, it's actually very powerful. I mean, I know it's small, but that's a very powerful computer. And we may be able to just reconfigure how we set up down there and just use that also with its camera and Mike as a possibility. Let's just go back to the Zoom account for a minute. So what's the cost? What are we paying for? Zoom account? We pay, I think for $35 a month, but we get we get, you know, unlimited cloud recording. Right. Do can't we just upgrade that so that we think so? I think so. I think we could just add like a like another account so that he can do he can do that. Yes. My research, I think it was something like $15 extra. For the extra. Yeah. For an extra login. Yeah, that would be no problem. No problem with $15. I mean, I was I was getting ready to say you know, with with the whole month, they absolutely have to have their meetings in the same two hour timeframe that we have our meetings. But for 15 bucks, yeah, we've got other battles to fight and you know, it may prove useful to have two accounts because there may be conflicts, other conflicts from time to time. So I believe you can do breakout rooms so they could call in and they could do a breakout room and the select board could do a breakout or have a breakout. That's done all the time. So I think there's other ways of doing it. The other thing is I thought we talked about at one point moving the select board meetings upstairs. That way you would have more room to set up your horseshoe. You'd have room to hang the large screen upstairs. So rather than trying to configure that small area down there with that computer, you would set something up upstairs. I think that makes make sense. I was thinking about that too. And also if we have, you know, it isn't just the the five or six people who show up at meetings. If all of a sudden we have more people showing up at the meeting. Being in that bigger space upstairs would make sense. So. We can wait. September 1st is a long way off. We can think about this, but I think potentially upstairs makes sense. And it's not just it's not just us. It's also the Planning Commission. They're going to have hearings. The Zoning Commission, the ZBA is eager to get meet back in person. So, you know, they they also need the more, more space up there. And. Move the famous Walter Kelly table upstairs. Yeah. No, we need that for research downstairs. We need new chairs. That's for sure for the air. Yeah, you need new chairs upstairs. Those are. Very well in those steel chair. Anyway, we figure that out. And not that this has anything to do with in-persons, but and I'm not trying to throw you under the bus fill or anything, but what's happening with these emails? We're paying for this every single morning. Except for the listeners. OK, well, let's just put them online. Take down their email. They'll go online pretty damn quick. I know they will. But I, you know, I was told no, they're not doing it yet. Well, probably not now. Don't. Not while they're not while they're dealing with grievances. I said they would do it by mid June. So I think, you know, we should call their feet to find everybody else's on everybody else's on and using it. OK. So I just it's a shame. I pay that bill every month. And it's it's too bad. Yeah, I know. I mean, I totally agree, but it's a battle I've been fighting for months. OK. You know, and I'm told we don't have any authority, so. Nope. Well, you do over your computers. I hate to say that. But that would be kind of cutting off our nose to spread our face, wouldn't it? Hey, it'll be mid June before we know it. Yeah. OK. Yeah. It's better. It's I mean, if I had any idea that this process was going to go this way, I would never have done this. Yeah. Well, we're almost there. Yeah. So Peter. Peter. Yes, Rick. I was going to ask, so I have my accounts all set up. Yeah. But nobody uses you know, I've tested with the render and stuff. But it still comes through on my own personal email. What am I? Nobody's using it. So you. OK, well, I'm going to have Dave update the website to say, you know, there's new. And again, this is one of those things where do I hold off until June? So the list is get on board or do we do it now? Wait, you're almost to June now. Let's wait and get past this. I'm going to want to stop. And OK. Yeah, great. OK. But you can certainly tell people, people, you know, when you respond to them, that it says, please use my. Middle sex Vermont account. OK. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, once once we all and I'm and I'm bad, too, because I I refer to my old habits without thinking about it. You know, what we've all got to do is is force ourselves to start using it once we start using it that people will reply to. Right. It'll work. Is there any other business before we go into executive session? Can I go back to the treasurer's report for a minute? Yes. Welch Park. They owe us forty five hundred dollars, which goes back to over a year. And you something's got to be done about this. Who is it? Is it consolidated that I was just the money or is it? Well, we were originally mailing the bills to consolidate it. We've now sent them to to Matt Oaks and the last one went to him May 24th or something like that. And, you know, and we sent him all the past two ones as well. OK. Would you would you copy that email to me with his contact information and I'm just going to badger him to death? That's that's absolutely ridiculous. Yeah. OK. I agree. They owe us for all the insurances and it goes back to water testing because a year ago we were still on the water thing. I think there's might even be some bills there to shun that. OK. I don't have them in front of me. But I know I was just looking at the last email that went out to Matt and it was the invoices were like forty five hundred dollars. Yeah. No, it's crazy. I agree. You're going to thank you. So get that to me and I will report back to you after I talk to him. Yes, Victor. Back to the the just an FYI for the render. We're going to get that mowing machine to mow the sides of the road first week in July. We tried to get it the last week in June. But they we did and then they changed it on us. So we'll be running that. And if we'll try to swap it around, but somebody might get a little overtime. We've got it for a week. So kind of got a run. Yeah, it's actually only four days. They pick it up at ten o'clock on Friday morning or something. So you really only have it four days. Yeah. Victor, it's not going to be that much overtime anyway, no matter what. So. No, no, I know, I know, Steve, it isn't. But we were saying and I were talking about it and, you know, and he he he asked me about it. And I just said, well, if we got to have a little bit, we got to have a little bit. I know he works from over time and he just took off early to make up for it and keep his forty hours, which. Is as well, if it's a fixed cost for the machine, so the thing never gets called that whole week, it's fine with me. OK, run that. Run it, get the get the job. That's what's important. Yeah, exactly. OK, anything else anyone before we go into executive session? OK, then. Now, how do we do this with two executive sessions? Do we come in and come out and come in and come out or do we just go in and stay in? Sarah, well, you can make a motion to an executive session for both reasons. That's probably the most practical. There you go. So would someone make that motion please, Steve or Bill? I'll make that motion. We go into executive session for both sessions and that now do you want Dorinda and Sarah to be present? Yes. Yes, I would say so. Yes. OK, second. Bill seconds it all in favor. Hi. Hi. All right, let me just get rid of people. OK. Hi, everybody. Randy Victor. Hi, guys. The recording has stopped.