 Hi, it's Ian Miga here at the ID Tech X Show 2018 in Santa Clara. I'm at the Nordic Pavilion here with Stefan Nordlinger from DP Patterning. Stefan, good to meet you. Would you like to take a few minutes to talk to us about your company, about the technologies that you're showing us? Absolutely, yeah. So, would you like me to show you? Yes, please, yeah. So, this is actually a spin-out from the Swedish Research Institute. Okay. Yeah, and we developed a method to be able to manufacture flexible printed circuit boards, flexible printed circuit boards, but without any chemicals. So, it makes it extremely low-cost and environmental friendly. Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, and we also, by doing this, we make it possible for subcontractors that are like mounting house to be able to incorporate the PCB manufacturing in-house. Instead of buying it from abroad, they can do their own manufacturing of circuit boards and directly move it to the next machine to do the chip attachment. Okay, and what applications do you see this as having the most impact in or the most exciting impact in? Yeah, our first market was RFID. Okay. Yeah, and it's a perfect match. You can see some of our RFID example antennas here. And this is just a mock-up of showing how the technology works. And it's a very simple process. You see here, it's just a cutting wheel. And like a flexor wheel that pushes out the pattern and the cutter cuts away the top surface. And by doing this, you have a process of the manufacturing process in one single step. Okay, so it might be simple. Yeah, yeah, so that's how we started with our RFID antennas. And it's astonishing how accurate it is. Now, we have a gap size here of 100 micron plus minus 10 with a really good quality, high yield. So what sort of challenges remain for you in the future as you look forward to bringing this to market and scaling up? Yeah, now it's more into reaching out to new markets. We have been, last two years, we've been working with automotive market. Very good success. The biggest benefit for them with this process is that they can keep IP in-house during the long, quite long assessment period for new products. And also a good upside is that it's very low cost for them. Yeah, yeah. But how do you see the market evolving as well over the next few years? And now it's really a good phase for us. We are having two good markets up and running. And now we're trying to reach out for LED markets for low-cost circuit boards. Replacing the rigid circuit boards for LED applications. Yeah, so this is a typical RFID product. How it comes out from one of our production machines. And after this first manufacturing step of Antenna, they just add the ship. And it's mounted by ACP, direct attach to this surface. So there's no need for doing anything between our machine and the pick-and-place machine. No cleaning, no treatment, just feel the rolling to the next machine. And here you see a picture of how a machine can look like when it's for automotive use. So it's quite nice encapsulated so you can have it in a grey room area. Yeah, it looks quite mobile as well. It's a fairly big size, this one is maybe five meters long. But then you have a full inspection of the products, the vision system and measurement systems for ensuring that they have a good quality. Excellent. This is in Sweden now? No, this is in Germany. In Germany? Yeah, so at the customer side. Can you tell us a bit about that project or is it... No, I can just say that it's in automotive. Automotive industry in Germany and I have some. And this is our first delivery to the automotive market was during this summer. So it just started up this machine. Yeah. And finally, how have you found your time here at the I need to get show? Yeah, I think it's very nice. A lot of people yesterday, a little bit less today. People are seeing most of it, I guess, but it's a very good quality of the visitors, I think. Excellent. Yeah. Thanks for your time. Are you showing on these pictures? This is just the fields of application. As I said, this is a visualization of how the circuit board could look like in behind. So this is automotive, also RFID, IT applications. And this should visualize the LED markets. And how far are you from doing this? We can do that today. So it's more like having the LED manufacturer to adapt the flex foils. Today, LED is mainly made on ready boards out of cost reasons. Because flexible foils have been more expensive in the past. But with this technology, you cut the costs so much, so you can start to apply this even to flex foils or even to the lighting. Excellent. Oh, Stefan, thanks for your time. Yeah, thank you. I really appreciate it. And I hope you enjoy the rest of the show. Thank you very much. Okay.