 All right, okay, so we're finally live after some technical difficulties yet again But yeah, this is going to be a very triggering Stream so not only are we gonna react to Cedar Fair and Six Flags as a group and trust me I think we all have different opinions so that makes it that much more interesting But we're gonna talk about a new ride coming to carowins along with copperhead strike. Yes We're gonna talk about what's going on with mine buster We're gonna talk about I think there's a couple other things and then just a couple of other small things in the news But yeah, so at the end of the stream save your questions for the end of the stream I love how I got an ad on my live stream when I'm trying to like watch it here Yeah, save your questions for the end and then we'll get to answering some of your questions or well Some of us are talking. We'll try and respond to you guys as well. So we'll get it off To a bang so it looks like the flyers are coming back to carowins along with The copperhead strike and I said the copperhead strike along with copperhead strike So there's definitely significant evidence that a flat ride is being built with this you can see the operations booths being built and the Concrete pad for the actual flyers that's been a strong rumor for a long time because they're sitting in storage and Yeah, it looks like carowins has a lot of money going into it in terms of investments and the possible expansions That could follow. So as you can see here, they have a lot of land to work with with this new area. So very interesting Topic of discussion. What do you think eastern? I? Say that this is actually really cool. It really didn't announce this with you know, copperhead strike I do think that this will be a welcome addition any flat ride that goes to any reason park I think is good and I think it'll definitely add to this new area that carolyn just trying to create with copperhead strike And these new flyers and you know other things as well And I'm gonna quickly go grab all Chris. Do you want to say what you are after what you think? Yeah, I mean It's it's really interesting with these new areas and new themes that new themed areas that cedar fairs going with with Wonderland and carowins that I think they want to have it fully fledged out not just one Attractions so that when people go there. They're like, oh, wow, there's more Okay, so I forgot to say but this photo is from summit coasters with a zed at the end from Instagram. So thank you What do you think fluffy? These are flying scooters that we're talking about right? Yeah, I think so I think I Carowins flyers and I got a picture of a flying scooters down. I hope that's what it is But yeah, I think there was really more coming than we all thought of course It was their biggest investment. So I think this would be a very welcoming addition Along with a whole new area Yeah, awesome So it's interesting that um, they didn't announce this with the coaster in my opinion I find that a little weird that there weren't like whole new area including, you know, the return of the flyers Do you guys have anything to say? Yeah, it is interesting that they're just announcing a coaster And they did sort of touch on the area when they were doing the announcement But it was very like subtle. So it is interesting that they're choosing to bring something back This was previously at the park, I'm assuming. Yeah. Yeah, okay I mean if it fits and maybe they're maybe they're going to read theme it to make it fit in better Or maybe they'll see that the same who knows but it's it's gonna be cool What is this in the back? I just noticed it What is going on there? It almost looks like Marty Gras or winter. It's a sign, right? What is that? But I definitely think the flyers are gonna be like a good addition to get one Mm-hmm I'm reading someone's a couple of comments They're saying that on the carer ones website that there was more coming. Yeah, I mean that's been Yeah, on the announcement they said more coming over the next couple months Yeah, so I'm obviously this is probably one of the things so Yeah, this is looking to be like one of Cedar fair's biggest investments yet Like in terms of whole new area two rides technically it's returning, but it's still and adding two rides Yeah, I think it'll be nice especially since you know and maybe I wonder if this will happen with Wonderland as well adding in another ride Or maybe bringing back another ride that hasn't been at the park like something like that for Wonderland with the front here Yeah, both parks have said more coming right so it's interesting Yeah, I think it would make it would it would Make a good fit to have Something a little less non-thrilling for people as well so, you know, maybe while your Teenage kids are going on you con striker and copperhead strike the little kids in the family the parents can go on something smaller mm-hmm for sure and then What do you guys think of copperhead strike so this ride is Honestly, I think this ride is the most controversial ride Of the season so far because you have a lot of people defending it claiming it's gonna be awesome You have a lot of people going oh the launches make it look doll. It's gonna pacing issues Well, blah, and then you have people in the middle who are like I'm gonna wait till like me I'm gonna wait till I ride it because yes, I definitely see the launches look Really tacky. I don't know what it is, but the launches look And the speed on the first launch is essentially the same as a family ride at at Wonderland It's called Thunder Run and that's a really slow ride So when I compare that speed to the launch of this I'm like sitting here like that's not gonna be very fast at all because that ride Is kind of a snail in the mountain Thunder Run so I'm picturing that speed because it's like three miles per hour off in difference, but It is really tight turns it has a lot of hang time by the looks of it has a lot of inversions Amazing theming. I like that the storyline. I actually find the storyline for this better I'm gonna trigger a lot of people then steel vengeance because with steel vengeance They gave it a good storyline, but they didn't follow it up with the theming it needed So I actually think Caroline's is gonna take the cake for best theming on the actual coaster I do think Caroline's is gonna have a better storyline and theming than even Yukon striker We'll have to wait and see because Wonderland has said and stated that the renderings do not show anything That is coming but from what I'm seeing so far. It looks like Caroline's is the best. What do you guys think? Yeah, I'd have to agree Honestly the seeming based off the animations because you know, this is just an animation This isn't the final thing But based off the animations this entire ride looks great like and when I say entire ride I mean the ride the area the theming like it all just looks really good Like from what we've seen the theming looks cool. The ride layout looks awesome. I just think Caroline's I I'd probably have to agree with you in the sense that steel vengeance had a good theme But they don't really bring theming into the ride whereas this has the theme and it has the theme in the ride So I think it'll work out really well Yeah, I think it's a beautiful coaster. I've done an amazing job. I can't wait to see it in person and what it you know even When there's a more information and more photos released of the area and how it all fits in It looks to me like it's a little bit. I think maybe we overhyped it But I think maybe the park also did that with its teasing. So we expected something big Not that this isn't big, but just I think we expected something bigger more intense and faster But I think this is still great. I think a lot of people are gonna love it. I think it looks really fun Mm-hmm. We were talking about this in discord earlier today in our discord server shameful plug But I don't think the park over height did I think what actually went wrong here and you're right in a sense is When you know a coaster before it's announced It ruins it and it really does. I think this coaster is a prime example where we're kind of like We knew the layout like we knew what it was looked like We knew it was mock and everything and we were expecting like this I think people what really let people down is that animation. I don't think that animation is true And shameful plug here, but coaster studios. I think hit it on the dot in this sense this one quote Where it said he was talking about how it had too much airtime in one of the animation locations right after the second launch it's too close to a stall or Mm-hmm Valiing if if it's going that slow, so I think the animation actually kind of Was a bit of a let down in terms of showing what the ride's actually going to be like and I think that's the problem here What do you think fluffy I skipped over you? uh What it was beforehand but looking at it now and it just I really love how they compacted the coaster together And like we said it shows that they have so much more room for for growth um I feel like this will be a number the number two uh Regardless of what people think um I think that It people are gonna I think that it's gonna basically overcome Afterburn or intimidate or whichever one you guys think is number two Uh for that park Um, I think fury will be better, but this was a long-awaited Uh coaster that they really needed and they hit it right on the spot for me Well It's it looks like uh, it's still gonna be controversial for a lot of people Is it good or is it not good? I think it's I think it's amazing I think there's just a lot of things that are weighing it down that it shouldn't be weighing it down if that makes sense So everyone should just wait to riding it. Yeah, I think that's best. Yeah Brendan Yeah, did you accidentally stop sharing your screen because it's just showing your logo on the street? There we go Oh, it was right here. It's only for a second Oh, that's so weird though. I can see it. Oh, it's back No, remember what this happened last time Oh someone from someone said ca Thank you, Vincent Miller 99 cents canadian So it's like uh 60 something cents us Anyone have any questions while we're experiencing technical difficulties It must be really bad technical difficulties. It's not even letting me stop the stream Well genie 99 cents could have went to the giga dive. Oh Okay I almost stopped broadcast. That was scary But yeah Why is wonderland getting a dive? It's so pointless. Why didn't they get something from intimate or sour? Well That's a good one I think eventually wonderland will get something Uh, you know more intense Maybe the next coaster I mean, who knows we're I think we're I mean we're talking about wonderland in this stream. So can everyone still hear me. Yes We just can't see your screen. Uh, I think it's the thunder. Is there a thunderstorm right now? There might be Yep I mean, I could see it. Can they still hear us? I believe they can. Oh, there it goes. I mean the insiders That's so weird. So I'm still here on the same internet on my other device Oh, nope They're saying that they some are saying that we can that they can't hear us whenever we can't hear Wait, someone said no, we oh we can it looks like I'm back on Yes Oh Let me know when you guys can finally see us Mm-hmm Show you got up Oh, and there's max force What's my favorite ride I don't know what that was that was weird. Um Because my one device is connected to the internet and still was working but my laptop lost connection to the internet All right, can can you guys hear me though? Yes. Yes. Yep Um, we see you wait, you see me. I'm on camera. Am I? Alrighty, okay, sorry about that guys. That was really strange. I've never seen that before. Okay, so max force Um, oh, I'm so excited about this one because this is my favorite ride announcement for 2019. Yes, that's going to trigger everyone but Honestly, I hate this whole argument of it's too short to be a good coaster. It's really irking me It's like really rubbing me the wrong way that um, just because something short means it's not good like hello Um top-throttle dragster king to come like Like calm down. I get it. It's not steel vengeance It's not like this 8 000 inversion coaster, but this looks amazing. Absolutely amazing I'm so excited for it to be honest. I think it's gonna be This is more excited that you've gotten striker for me But it's gonna be my most anticipated ride to ride beside harry potter's coaster at universal um Going through this inversion at 60 miles per hour like or is it 60 kilometers an hour? It's 60 miles 60 miles. Can you imagine? It's gonna be insane. It's gonna be awesome though. Um, so I I think you all know I love it You've you've seen my reviews. So what do you think of it eastern? I Love this ride so much like oh my god. I just saw like the animation and it looks epic Now it is short, but lots of coasters that are short can be sweet Like railblazer railblazer doesn't have the longest layout, right? But it's a good ride same thing with king the car stormrunner Those rides so I think this will be just like that. It'll be short, but it'll have it'll really pack a punch and It's just amazing and I really hope my park did something like this in 2020 or something like that What about you chris? It looks really awesome. Like I I watched it before Didn't watch it again the the pov for it Until today again, and I was like wow it's more impressive the more I watch it I really like the first launch with that little hop that bunny hop. Yeah It's almost like a reverse runway on a coaster. Yeah Pretty cool. I think it's going to be a lot of fun What about you fluffy hate or alert? I'm kidding Um I think this will be around the middle of my favorite 2019 editions Um, yeah short, but like eason said stuff can pack a punch um And I don't know we've yet to see a pov of it Of it. Um, unless a pov actually was released um But for me, this is around the mid tier ish But it's nice to see that six five screen america got another coaster um I mean, it's a launch coaster, which they only have v2. I believe um, and so they definitely need another launch coaster and I will admit it looks pretty okay um Yeah When are we going to see that pov? Right? I want to see it. Six flags. Where are you if you're watching release it? I mean six flags can't I mean if six flags can't open a ride on time Why can't they release a pov on time? Shade Oh, and that is another thing a lot of people are concerned while us and us be able to open rides on time Yeah I mean it's s and s too It's a good year for them too. I wonder I honestly wonder if someone from s and s went to all the parks and was like listen You need to buy one of our coasters and this is why and like offered them a a good deal and b Sold them somehow because it looks like a lot of parks are choosing them and We were we were even talking in discord how bush gardens williamsburg looks like You know, they may be getting an s and s I know a lot of people are saying giga, but It's difficult to tell Yeah Alrighty West coast racers. All right, so This may actually be the most controversial coaster of 2019 so Oh, this is one This is a really hard one for me to talk about because it for me Okay, so I'm gonna say it. It looks like an amazing coaster if it was going to a different park Because it's going to magic mountain It doesn't make sense to me. They already have one essentially the same thing but an rmc Um, and it doesn't do enough to make it amazing So it's stuck in this realm of being a family coaster and not a family coaster And it's confusing to me. So yes, it looks amazing. I'm not hitting on the ride. I'm hitting on its Park where it's going to it doesn't make sense that they would Spend the amount of money I don't even know if it costs a lot of money aren't people saying it actually didn't cost them a lot of money at all Yeah, apparently it cost uh under 20 million. I believe correct me if I'm wrong though Yeah, which is weird because it's a really long coaster in the end. It's like 7 000 feet, isn't it? Yeah, it has a really long way out because it's a jewel. Is that combined? Yeah, okay Did you just say 7 000 feet? Yeah, it's something around that so around like 3 500 each side Yep Hold up It's like 6 800 and something like that something like that 6 900 I totally agree with what you're saying though, but it you know, if it was at a different park Can you imagine if this was going to like I know it's cedar fair But like michigan's adventure or something like that like they would freak out about this. Yeah Whereas magic mountain. It's like oh I'd have to agree with you brendan like and you too chris honestly. I feel like I was expecting more because knowing the type of rides the magic mount normally likes to add To me this kind of looks like a copy and paste a full throttle and twist its Colossus put together So for me, I mean don't get me wrong the layout is amazing. Like I like I think the layout is good But because it was at the top of that magic mountain and this is the same thing for cedar point I think a lot of us were expecting more and then when we got what we got It's not bad, but we were expecting more so we were a bit underwhelmed while seeing the announcement At least for me I feel like that's why I don't like it as high in terms of 2019 Someone has us playing in the background out of you three And we can hear it It is not high Is not high Okay, um What do you think fluffy Okay, I'm just going to call every 2019 coaster the most controversial 2019 coaster is that's essentially what this is shaping up to be um West coast racers I've I really like it. It's a mix between A family and a thrill ride. It's like that middle ground That it's going to be very popular It's going to bring a lot of people towards the back of the park And I feel like this huge overhaul of the whole area Was well needed and I really feel like they The what the way that they brought in the west coast customs um We is going to give it a sense of Hey, maybe six flags is also trying to get into theming because They're technically it's going to be themed to a car shop so, um I mean, who knows we've yet to see a full pov just like max force um But I really like how it's compact as well well For the second half of it. It's compact and um And it's just like It's going to have a lot of path interaction and I really like how that's going to go and and like uh coaster studio said, um It's going to go like straight over the um, it's going to go like straight over the go-karts So if you're on the go-karts, be sure to time your uh, you're uh driving correctly Yeah, I'm going to pick a fight here. I'm going to be brave and pick a fight I don't understand how coaster studios doesn't like uconn striker, but likes this That's what confuses me Um, that's all I'm going to say on the matter, but I know a lot of people Um were a little shocked by the stance on Uconn striker considering how unique it is for dive and then suddenly west coast races is suddenly like this amazing Thing, but we've seen it before it's just longer I also hope those inversions that you're like that's showing on your screen are smoother than what Me and plan co because those look pretty rough Oh, that is so true Shots fired in the the comments. No, I have nothing against taylor. I just didn't like that review it Kind of hit home. I know we were at the park on the 15th And we all gathered around Promoting this video and we watched this video and a lot of people were really upset Uh, but that's okay. It's this opinion, but I just disagree with it All right, moving on. Um, I do want to say someone commented out Um, someone said a lot of enthusiasts nowadays hate all new coasters and I do agree I think like we are really hard on coasters nowadays Um, we shouldn't jump to hating things right off the bat. Like, you know It almost looks like There's a lot of people that love all the new coasters And then there's a lot of people that hate all of them like all of them There's people that hate uconn Copperhead west coast racers and max force. There's people that hate all flooring And I actually think this is one of the best years Yeah, I'd say best year proceed like one of the best years to see uh Not to uh there but six flags in terms of coasters and original coasters You don't see your typical on c conversion or clone roll coaster. You're seeing two original coasters That'll Definitely benefit both of the parks Regardless of what we think or not, you know regarding a certain coaster Same thing with cedar fair cedar fair is definitely focusing on theming this year with copperhead strike and uconn striker and Making the entire new themed lands and I think cedar fair also has a good year for theming and you know things like that Yeah, so now it gets done to the tricky question Who did it better? Did cedar fair win the coaster wars of 2019 or did six flags win the coaster wars of 2019? It's a tough one for me because and i'm sure it's a tough one for all of you. Um If it wasn't for max force it would be cedar fair in a nutshell And I think despite how amazing this dive coaster is I do love this dive coaster Dive coasters are just so overdone nowadays Um, it seems like every park in china is getting one. It seems like Eventually every cedar fair park will maybe get one Uh, they're the new giga of the top parks I just Think that we've seen this We've seen a lot of this lately too and we haven't seen this and this is This is despite it not being good for the park. It's amazing. So I actually have to say I think six flags Is going to win especially if you take all the additions into account Like I mean they really spoiled their parks But the only thing is donnie park hasn't announced yet and it is starting to look like donnie park may be getting something for 2019 So we I can't fully make up my mind until I see donnie park's announcement But at this current moment and I'm a big cedar fair fan boy I have to be honest and say that I think six flags won this season for 2019 Yeah, yeah It doesn't mean they suck just means that six flags did a little better But yeah, eastern sorry No, no, no, it's okay. Um, I'm just I think I'm just really happy that six flags actually went with the original coasters And what they provided, you know their parks with max force Great america didn't really have a good launch coaster and west coast racers You know, they wanted to get through a 20th coaster and it's more family oriented You know, it's still intense, but it's not as intense as something like max force or one of those other rides But uh, I definitely would say six flags At the moment is the clear winner 2019 in terms of you know attractions that they've added Yeah, I feel like they just had this sort of slight upper hand It wasn't like cedar fair has done a bad job with what they're adding. It's just six flags was a bit better. Yeah I mean, you also have to take into account that six flags does add something in every year compared to cedar fair where they don't um So yeah, when it comes down to general editions, you really have to throw six flags like Giving it all really Oh, yeah, and yeah, you've got batman the ride Well, we're those are clones. We're talking about unique coasters here. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's a unique logo They have not used that logo before Moving on Okay, so I think a lot of people saw the mind buster video. It was actually a really popular video on our channel and um, we have kind of discovered And we're going to use the word speculation We've kind of discovered what's going on with mind buster Um, and no, it's not an arm c like a we like we said in our video rmc was the least likely of options Even in our video we could go. Uh, there's no signs of rmc whatsoever around this coaster um There there are a couple things going on with mind buster. Um, and they are heavily involved around water So it looks like mind buster over the years like wild beast has become super rough mind buster due to its altar Alterations has become force less and now we have a water problem. So we are Thinking slash hearing that mind buster due to the water slides that are passing over it That are leaking tons of water and we're talking about by the way these stickers were posted just a couple of days ago These are brand new. Um, we are thinking that Mind buster is going to have a couple of options so What this could mean because there's so many flitters and there's so many So many parts to mind buster that pass directly under these water slides There's a couple things they can do they can either fix the water slides Which is going to cost them a lot of money and it looks like That might be a solution that they're looking at with the stickers going on the water slides Or they can install Some water work in that area like a sewer that drains water elsewhere instead of holding it in the ground I don't know how feasible that is because it looks like it's covering a very large area But we're hearing that the footers of mind buster are literally like when the train passes over them Water spits up from around the footers. That's how much water is built up in the area Um, so and I mean we've even seen it just standing here filming So it's interesting as to what they're gonna do because splash works for anyone that's been there this season is over capacity It is not able to handle the crowds that it's getting And they need to look somewhere For expansion and I mean if we look at what happened at carowinds They removed their wooden coaster for an expansion of splash works and this does take up a lot of land on either end You have this whole portion that can be used for splash works And you have the whole other side after the bridge the turnaround that can be used for a water slide complex as well So it's interesting. Um We don't quite know what's going to happen. I'm assuming from what we're seeing with the stickers That they're going to repair the water slides and in 2019 they'll probably watch and see what happens But at this current moment it is a little difficult to figure out what's going to happen with mind buster at this current moment So it's definitely up in the air. The drone will be up all winter and all fall and we'll be watching to see if anything happens around it um But what do you think eastern? Yeah, I know this is like this is like one of those questions that are hard for anyone that isn't At kid at this winterland to answer, but what do you think? I mean, I think surrounding rumors and actually I feel like you brought up a great point with carowinds and how they removed their wooden coaster for a new slide I think that it would actually work really well if they removed mind buster and You know added in a couple of water slides because from what i'm hearing and I've even seen pictures of it Uh, the water park at wonderland gets really crowded. So I feel like mind buster was built in an awkward position where Or the water park was built in an awkward position where Mind buster kind of was in the way of potential land for the park to be using for like future watersides. So I mean, I hope they can repair but at the same time they remove it At least they'll be fixing for issue with the water park and you know being able to spread out more crowds and things like that So I do think that mind buster possibly could be going And to make way for a future water expansion I do wonder if cedar fair had been in charge of this park back when they added these water slides and made the changes to mind buster if they would have done the same thing Was is this the result of paramounts bad decision-making? um, I think that They're obviously the fair is obviously trying to do whatever they can to get this rectified I know there's options like dewatering where they install like poses into the ground. It literally sucks water out Um, but who knows what they're gonna do Yeah, it's a difficult one I'm sure they're having a very difficult time trying to decide what to do. Yeah And they're gonna try and prolong it as long as possible. Like we're not getting a coaster in the 2019 on top of uconn striker We're not getting a coaster in 2020 Just after uconn striker the earliest will see a coaster and if we do it's gonna be a wooden coaster because they're cheap is 2021 Even that's even that's probably pushing it. Yeah, so right Looking at the timeline we got wonder mountains guardian after leviathan by a couple years So we could be seeing something like that If we do it's going to be a family oriented coaster based off of what we've seen from cedar fair We get a big coaster then we get a family coaster and then we'll get the big coaster again Um No, no, we won't be seeing an intimate cedar fair unfortunately nor wonderland Um, especially wonderland, but what do you think fluffy? Uh, I think you're All right, and uh keep it around as long as possible and They just you know, they really have to keep an eye on it. Um because This thing goes down Goes down all over the place. I mean I I think this is like one of the bigger footprints at wonderland Don't quote me on that But The but from what I've I've been hearing is that This coaster really could have a lot being done with it. Um, and I think That it might just be removed um Because I believe they have three wooden coasters. Um, so You know Yeah, it's interesting because I feel like a lot of parks are going to go down this route of having this problem Is it worth it to repair these massive wooden structures? Um, especially if they're in the way of viable land for an expansion down the road, right? So this is the hardest one for me because anyone who knows I thought this would have been the perfect rmc But what is happening right now? I can tell you right now is not rmc Um, you see signs of rmc long before they even start We have not seen a personnel from rmc at all at canada's wonderland. We haven't seen an rmc truck We haven't seen any signs of rmc at all And uh, we're seeing signs of almost like in-house Work if that makes sense like you see scaffolding set up here. So obviously something's going to happen Over the fall and winter and spring because they're scaffolding next to the ride So it's interesting. It looks like it's just going to be retracking and saving it to the much of its ability on Maybe if that doesn't help If they can't get rid of the water then eventually they'll make the decision earlier Then they probably wanted to about what's going to happen to it doesn't mean a coaster's coming earlier It just means the ride will probably close down and Like you saw at king's dominion Um, but yeah, I guess that brings us into our question period Um, does anyone have any questions for us before we wrap up or any topics of discussion they want to talk about? Well, they're asking why don't we talk about the three train operations on steel vengeance Finally, right Yeah, steel vengeance is back on three train operations. So Anyone going there and god plan to go into future. You'll be able to ride Steel vengeance with three trains. Hopefully because all the trains are now operational. Yeah Well, I mean unless you go on a holiday and you get like 160 minute long wait All right, what do we think is going to come to king's island in 2020? I think it's going to be a wing coaster or a giga I feel like the popular rumor is a giga, but I don't know How that would turn out just because I mean, I hate to say it, but they don't really get that much growth and attendance after They don't really make that big of a return an income after adding a new coaster Well, we are like just make these answers quick because there's a lot of questions coming in Yeah, but uh, probably a wing coaster. I'd have to say All right, chris Uh, they probably deserve to get their giga They've been asking for it for how long It'd be nice if they actually did that Um, it's it's so hard to say fluffy Uh, all we know is that they're getting a bnm, but oh that's been debunked Oh Okay I don't really know All right, what do we think dorney park is getting for 2019? This is a good question. I think they're gonna get a wing coaster gci fingers crossed Gci But we haven't seen any construction. So I don't know I think I will Small gci's can go in fairly quickly if I remember sure That would make sense It might be time to let mine buster go agree Uh, what do we think great adventure will get in 2021? Not a coaster Well, they're they're coming up. They have to be getting one soon. Yeah, they are due for one soon I think great adventure Might be getting a coaster into 2020 or 2021. I think 2020 is more likely though my honest opinion What kind of coaster could it possibly be though? I have a feeling it will either be an s and s or premier rides just because we've seen them working with them recently And no not just for this year. We've been seeing them work with them in the past years lately with skyrockets and full throttle and then you know s and s free spins and max force now I think it'll be one of those two and I think it'll be a steel case sure that goes in metropolis I have a launch Someone's accusing us of not answering questions. That's exactly what we're doing right now Um, I have I actually have a I actually have a question to ask you guys so So we know how 2018 we said could it was possibly the best year for coasters in quite some time From all the rumors that we're hearing and all the parks that we think could be getting coasters in 2020 Do we think that that year could be better than 2018? I think 2019 is the best year so far Overall and 2020 is going to break it again I honestly don't agree with 2019 being better I think 2019 is better and 2020 is going to be even better if that makes sense. Yes uh No doubt that 2019 is a good year for coasters, but I I just like 2018 better What do we think about the best on uconn striker? That is such a controversial issue. I hate them I hate them because I'm tall and big so it's a me problem not a coaster problem Easter and I know likes them right You don't mind. Yeah, I don't mind them I don't mind them either even though I'm tall Yeah So I'm trying to answer as many questions. I'm just hopping over comments and trying to just like answer questions Um, we just talked about the permits for king's island not being a coaster and I'm just being parts for bnm Yeah, steel venue or rmc white cyclone Oh Oh, no Um, I think still I haven't seen any evidence of white cyclone being better yet I've I haven't seen anything If they put in a lot of tight turns and inversions it probably will be better But right now it doesn't look like it's in steel vengeance's league if that makes sense I have to wait and see. Yeah Well, right now it looks like we don't we all all we know is that there's track on site. It's blue track And that there's still stripping track off Yeah, okay, so I think let's try and speed these questions up the I think that it will just it'll have to update when we start seeing track going and We start seeing some some elements form Cedar point of spuh Bnm is coming well, we're not saying a bnm isn't coming but the the specific bnm file that was posted Was for parts and not a coaster Yep, you guys talking at a best coaster Parts of eight months, right? Best coaster for 2019 for me. It's the harry potter coaster then steel curtain and max force. What about you eastern? I'd say max force copper head strike steel curtain Harry potter coaster and then you construct it Shade um chris I mean, I'm kind of biased because I'm really looking for I've never been on a dive coaster So I'm really looking forward to you fun striker Um, so I put you fun striker at the top. I know that's really controversial Um, but max force definitely second Copperhead strike third that would be my top three. Mm-hmm. And you fluffy Uh copperhead strike steel curtain and west coast racers Okay, and I wanted to go back to chris because chris said something so perfect You're looking forward to you constraker and you thought that was kind of like controversial But it's not that's you're exactly why they invested in a dive coaster Because we don't have one a lot of people here have never been on one and it's going to charge huge crowds Exactly. Oh, they got that coaster just for chris. Yay Um, do people really still think that donnie park is getting a g stand 2019? Um, so the leaked layout was fake I just the only reason I still think there's a Slim chance. They're getting a gci in 2019 is that teaser And the video I made about the teaser they literally commented on the video And it's just there's just weird things the park's doing if it's not a gci then that park Is a park that has overhyped an addition for 2019. I think they would be the culprits the biggest culprits of 2019 for overhyping um Just going to tamper announcement. I believe that is Either september 5th or september 12th. No part No part gets a coaster two years in a row. I kind of agree unless you see your point Well, what do you mean? What do you mean see your point? See your point is spoiled. So this is a really uh controversial topic too And I'm gonna make a really in-depth in-depth video about it because as a stockholder I have a little Better of an idea of what's going on. Do I agree with it? I used to now. I don't I'm actually moving away from cedar point Needing investments just because they're not working But the reason that they're getting a lot of investments is because the park or sorry the chain Wanted them to become a international slash regional destination for a large area So they invested in very expensive hotels like we're talking about like very expensive hotels They bought land off of property built sports complexes And now they need the additions inside the park to match what they built outside the park. So that's why we're seeing Really sudden and quick investments to the point where they even stole our dive coaster back in 2016 Salty But yeah, that that's why so i'll make a more in-depth video describing in detail a little more of what's going on with cedar point and what we could see But don't be surprised over the next five years We still see coasters added every other year at cedar point because they need to bump that park up to the level of its hotels and off-site properties Also, they have a really really good relationship with the the state and the city So i'm sure they get some pretty wicked deals Yeah What's next for canada's wonderland in the future? I think oh good one realistically What's next like actually next it's going to be a kiddie family coaster After that big addition wise probably a wing coaster Or invert one of the two whatever happens to We'll know if something happens to flight deck if we're getting an invert next But I have a feeling it's going to be a wing coaster along the highway right behind action theater How many launch coasters do you guys have? one Then you guys need a launch coaster I mean, I would love a mac coaster, but that getting to canada would be like really expensive bankruptcy Yeah, perhaps if these sns ones turn out to be really good then we could just get one of those Yeah, you have to remember with canada's wonderland We lose about 25 cents for every dollar due to the conversion rate So on top of that For example, if a mac coaster costs 30 million dollars for carol winds, it's going to cost like 35 40 million dollars for canada's wonderland And that's why you see the price tag of uconn striker being up there between 30 and 35 million dollars as well But that's a big dive coaster. You're talking about a big mac coaster and the park's going to get big coasters It's going to be like 40 50 million dollars to get that thing over here So that's why I don't think we'll see a mock to be honest even though I won't want it I mean Try out the vacoma launch coasters. Maybe That would be cool I think it also has a lot to lot riding on what happens with mindbuster If mindbuster ends up needing to go if it just doesn't work if they can't fix the situation Maybe it's time we get a good wooden coaster So Wonderland, I agree 2021 keeps coming up about wonderland and yes, it's an anniversary But cedar fair doesn't typically recognize anniversaries with coasters Even at cedar point, they don't typically recognize anniversaries with coasters but again wonderland In the past are again our 2016 dive coaster was stolen from us for certain reasons Oh wonderland does get a coaster every three years based off of history with cedar fair It's one big coaster family coaster one big coaster And then we should see a family coaster in 2021 to be honest So don't expect anything too big in 2021 But do expect I do think that we will get a coaster Especially with dinosaurs live closing and it'll be 2021 But it's gonna be a family coaster back there if I had to take yes Now family coasters aren't boring. Sorry if we get any more flat rides. I think it's gonna be more in the kids area Yeah That's some too many flats Yeah, we do. We're actually running out of like options. Yeah, we have enough We're good for now. Gee. I would gee. I wish cga could have that I I think I'm really far behind on questions. How far behind am I? Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna start picking some good ones. There's always the mention later that could be better for coasters I have a good feeling about 2020 me too We already answered that one A lot I'm hearing that a lot of kings island people don't want bnm Unfortunately, I get it. I get it bnms are kind of Dall with what we're seeing out there, but they work. They're built-in time They have a great relationship at the parks. I have a feeling if something goes wrong cedar fair is able to get it fixed quicker It's just all in all. I feel like bnm is the better investment for cedar fair. Unfortunately Would they build a super coaster at can is wonderland like six flags? I would love that I haven't fee like I mean like Maybe five six years from now when we get that massive coaster again Maybe you'll see something big and awesome Keep people guessing build the hype Daniel I hear that a lot too I don't I'm six foot three and I have like really bony shoulders too considering like I'm like a pretty big guy So I don't know if it's just me and I I do bruise easily too. I bruise really easy So I could just be like a bit of a sissy The brendan gym fund I must be really far behind. I'm reading responses to my comments about vest restraints. Okay. I'm gonna. Oh my god Okay, I'm caught up finally. I'm sorry guys. I just skipped over a bunch of questions to get me caught up face reveal We have lots of those actually actually if you're in our discord server my face usually gets posted a lot now chaden There's something like steelkirt and pop up at six slides parts. Yes I think with the relationship that SNS and six flags have I think it I think it is likely I think eventually not not soon but eventually I mean, yeah, I think maybe I mean like not like clones of that of course, but I mean like similar layouts Of course, we are seeing FNF coasters in 2019 six flags. So then you supply it's more king You guys think that SNS will continue their streak of good coasters into 2020. Yeah for sure any updates on vortex teaming We don't have any updates because we can't Promise or confirm anything until the park announces, but I would expect In the coming months there to be an announcement about vortex Hey, she was there Chaden why was there a shade toss to me just message name Chaden just message I only called him out because I saw that he posted a picture of me earlier today Shave toss is the mind buster done. I don't know yet I don't think so the fact that we see scaffolding next to it. I think that's a sign that they want to work on it Why did six flags stop building bnms? That's a really good question That's a really good question. I would love to know the answer. Why because some six feds parks are hoping for another bnm And some are overloaded with bnms. Oh shade That's a good question. I really like that question. I'm gonna make a video on that myself And I want to go ask around first, but what do you guys think? I think maybe they just got tired. They just wanted to change things up I think cedar fair is heading in that direction as well It would fall the bnm that cedar fair has been building People are gonna want different stuff I think for one, I mean the last bnm was in 2012 and that was only 15 to 18 million I believe and I think six flags has kind of gone down the route of not an expensive rise. I mean 2019 says otherwise, but um I think recently they just haven't been spending as much money on bnm because of how much they cost But I would love to make to see bnm make a return at a six flags park because bnm's are amazing. Love bnm Mm-hmm Okay, so lots of questions. It is so hard to keep all the questions when the views start to go up Isn't cedar fair getting into bigger debt now. They're not debt cedar fair is still doing really well They're just not growing as quickly as six flags is They're still better than six flags in terms of having more parks in the top 20 and 10 list Sorry top 20 list But yeah, they're not growing at the rate six flags is Because I say six legs great adventure should get a new coaster in 2020 What parks do I think we'll get a coaster in 2020? This one's so obvious. So at cedar point it's california's great america and it's either going to be it's probably gonna be worlds of fun or One of the smaller parks Uh king's island is oh, it's a tough one I mean they could be on that list. They could not be on that list now that we know that that bnm file isn't for them They do have other parks that are for sure getting a coaster and we see only two to three max parks getting a coaster now So it's tough one You know, it's better than four coasters in one year Right six legs Oh What's for dinner My tears right now Oh good question is cedar fair's new ceo causing debt. No So anything we're seeing added to the park now and anything going on at the parks now Are the decisions of the past ceo like matt weeman. It's not his fault either matt weeman was brilliant um It's just a change in the market so Maybe i don't know maybe cedar fair needs to learn that people like i think wonderland's gonna be really awesome with the canadian theming But maybe parks need that movie themed coaster, right? Maybe they need a coaster themed to something relevant in the area Instead of theming to like some storyline that has nothing or no theming at all. Maybe they need to go like Theme a coaster to the most popular movie or event In the area and get people in who knows maybe there needs to be marketing to pay off some of these attractions Man, we need to see more adverts in the park. Unfortunately cedar fair needs to figure out something soon though um, because yeah, it looks like things are happening in the cedar fair chain and it seems like it's consistent Yeah, i was thinking about that as well like the as as cool as like copperhead strikes theming and stuff looks As beautiful as it looks is the story really something people are interested in grandma's jam Yeah These are important questions the world depends on them. He's asking me what's for dinner. That's why oh I love b&m to death, but they really need to innovate. I agree and i'm a b&m fan too um Someone's question what i saw someone's question very Got me interested someone commented asking what could carolyn's get in the future for blue ridge junction as ride additions Sorry, what? What uh, what are possible? new rides for The blue ridge junction area for carolyn's it's gonna be flat rides I think an area in the cedar fair book is one big coaster and then flat rides surrounding it and theming Well, no, i'm saying like what kind of flats Probably the ones you see at wonderland that they don't have that's my guess that cedar fairbarks will see That was i mean wonderland's literally a shopping catalog for catalog for flat rides catalog Uh They should keep it capacity Giant frisbee. They don't have one. Oh, they don't have a giant frisbee at carolyn's No, oh, then that is that is for sure their next investment if their next flat ride is definitely going to be a giant frisbee Uh huss or zamperla Huss is full of problems in my opinion so zamperla Yeah, i agree. I think zamperla is probably the most uh reliable choice as well Because i mean we're seeing uh Huss or hoose whichever you want to call it Um, they're having a lot of attractions being taken out because of maintenance issues More importantly top spins Well, we see a skyward in 2020 Yes, i'm seeing a lot of questions asking about the mind buster thing. It looks like a lot of people miss it i'm gonna make it really quick Uh mind buster is having some water problems We're guessing the keyword guessing speculation Because waterslides are leaking directly onto it and concrete and water don't mix nor do wood and water You get wood rot So, uh, yeah, there's definitely going to need to be some repairs and there's definitely evidence to some repairs on the waterslides above it And there's also evidence to repairs on mind buster coming with scaffolding being piled next to it And then water resistant materials as well being piled next to it Quick wrap up with that Any last important questions before we wrap this one up There's a potential that mind buster could be rethemed Yes That has actually been in discussion with my team on amusement insiders quite a bit lately because it's now in the frontier canada location How can they better incorporate it? right What's better skywarp or superloop skywork? I don't think cedar fair is going to be buying any parks anytime soon I think they need to focus on the parks they have I wouldn't actually be surprised to see them sell a park or two Michigan's adventure Yeah Fun pics person at canada's wonderland. Hey there, would you like a photo takes photo? Here's a catalog of our flat rides. Enjoy Can you please bring dueling dragons to wonderland? I would if I could but that thing is scrap metal left me was torn apart Yeah, should zero by marine land. I don't think they can afford it I think if anyone's gonna buy marine land, it's gonna have to be disney or universal and that the chances of that Are so slim that property is worth a lot of money where it is right now Yeah, I think we're gonna wrap this up. Thanks for asking questions um And thanks for joining us on our stream. All right Have a good one guys See you. I was on discord so you can find some ass